y but it's a toss of coin it really is who knows can the Hawthorne mosquito Fleet inflict them or can Norton and ugle Hagen combine and and kicking enough I saw the dogs beat uh Sydney there were in Sydney that I was so impressed with their structure that that that night um but then they've been terrible here twice which is amusing so yeah do you think lob going back has helped that has help that structure it's helped him so much where again how much easier it is to play and run Straight Ahead then then turn and I just don't understand why the crows didn't do it with animal BG but anyway we'll see how that all plays out uh anyway uh so your tip there is the Bulldogs yeah I'll go the dogs I'm go the Hawks I think I think it's a flip of the coin but for me I the way they spread the ground that's probably the one for me I don't know whether the Bulldogs have quite got the Arsenal to be able to to counteract that especially their fast ball movement probably the weather there is so crucial so that may be a wait until the last minute to make a decision on that one there all right uh so you're the Bulldogs I'm haon all right let's move on to the first qualifying final between Sydney and gws we do have a little bit of flashbacks later on about a really close game that happened last year actually but we'll obviously talk about this game now um