times you just watching Rice go down here look look I mean goes trying to get in books yeah he's kicked him his slow mode it's a strong kick though Jason he's kicked him he's try to take a free kick early take a free kick early you kick the ball away the ball's moving get K the B moving just watch watch he sets it up kick his foot and it's not in the right position it's not even in the right position a that's ridiculous position they both know what they're doing and one and one on his pants pull down you know what do you know what really do you know what Ashley should have asked from there right when you actually look at it now when you see it in slow mod right he actually did connect he could have done his knee there by the way but that's awful what should have happened is the ref just ran over and said you two stop being stupid yeah yeah yeah there's something stupid come on use your discretion what we're seeing all the time is V can't intervene because the referee's um decision or this that blah blah blah rubbish right so if we're going to see decision or incidents like that in the game this is where the referee's got to get of it and say right you're trying to get him sent off you're trying to get him I'm not falling for it get on with the game stop this stupidity J in sitation when you get someone sent off like or you get you get sent off like that do you go in the dress room and apologize do you apologize to your teammates if you de rice I think you probably do I think you probably do because you know yourself you've let your team down is done is that I want I want to go I want to go back to that in inant there right don't give the referee a decision to make and you you can see from Dean rice he sees the B at the corner of his eye and then flicks it he's half waiting for the for the for the whack gets the whack crumples down trying to get a player Center they're all at it right unfortunately on this occasion Declan rice was the one that had his pants pulled down and got the second no but it shouldn't have been that because it's it's literally six to one half a do half dozen averages you can't C does his you're bringing yours into yes that's that's one of the most normal ones 6 that's been used for years some of his coming the birds in the bush I don't know we don't know about I just and and also what we've seen is J Pedro has just booted that ball all the way up the touch line nothing absolutely it's not consistent no okay but that's a yellow as well right yeah but we didn't get one okay okay so both are yellows yes okay should get sent off then but when you're trying to get people no but this when you're trying to get people sent off one right wrong no but J is not trying to get he's just frustrated that's just why you just get you referee got one right one wrong no he got he got them all wrong he got them all wrong because come over and said you two stop being a pair of idiots you just said he keep both BS away right but what I'm saying what I'm saying is because because what they're trying to do what vel's trying to do is get him sent off what um what rice is trying to do is go look he's kick me out he's trying to get him sent off so really let's just say pack it in stop being stupid when you kick the ball away when it's just you there i' got to stop how Isam trying to get him sent off cuz he just booted him no no no how's that getting veltman sent off here's what you got to understand rice has got himself set off yeah he yes veltman had nothing to do with rice kick the ball away no velman should be set off as as that's not it's not a red card that is not a red card so tap and tapping the ball to the side a yellow it's a this is where we're being AB absolutely silly we're being silly no logic hate the game we are not using the rules with any Common Sense here what what happened to what happened to that the terminology of um of common refere where's the common sense it's gone no no listen there is no common sense referee he's kick the ball forward the ball's still rolling you can't even take does r look he looks down he knows he's going to take it early he kicked him in the knee no okay the first the first he could have done his ACL that is okay the worst that can happen for V is a yellow both get yellows he knows is off ta the ball to the side I know I Jason I don't even think that veltman's touched the ball it's a second y exactly I don't think touched the ball for yeah why you know why cuz rice has kicked it away a he's moved it out of the line of oh my God the I'm sorry I'm sorry rice has only got himself to blame what I would say as well though you can tell reaction by by the teammates Jay you can tell the reactions all the Arsenal players are like he's just been kicked all the Brian players are looking around like I hope he don't get sent off exactly Even's going yeah and you know what happened don't know ref referee got it 100% no he did 100% he should do nothing he should say you two we're playing in the Premier League you talk about kids having aspirations to play the game don't show them this just get on with it don't kick the ball away a that honestly don't kick the ball away it's ridiculous simp honestly it's so simple I don't understand where the problem is in this Ry kicks the ball away you the second yellow doesn't even kick it the the ball goes about 4 ctim right he stops a free kick being taken no veltman stops the free kick being taken cuz the ball's rolling no that's that's irrelevant right now it's not because he can't take a free kick he can't take a free kick with the ball moving yes or no V cannot get involved in the second yellow can't get involved don't hate the game hate the law so so so your Viewpoint is it's Rice's fault he's let his team down they've dropped two points going into International break and this could potentially come back to bite them well all of the above all of the above rice rice will go home tonight knowing that he has been a silly boy he'll go home knowing the game's gone a silly boy he knows the game he's he plays the laws of the game under what this when I played that was not anything that was a nothing but now the game has changed and we got to expect that that decisions are going to be based on the new laws kicking the ball away is a yellow card we all agree with that right there's no one in this room is going to say no flex yes or no depends on the context mate yes or no clearly no I'm not saying you know what it's so bad now Jay it's so bad and it's so Gray yeah I'm saying I don't know I'm saying I don't know the there we just seen it there's a gray area here's a gray era some an opposition player has gone down on the ball a free kicks been given this is a gray we've just seen it he's kicked the ball ahead of him that's still rolling and the ball's rolled into another player so the ball's moving anyway so he's tapped it to the side and then he's been booted right here here's what R here's what rice should have done left the ball and then he kicks the moving ball the referee makes him retake it no problem referee has got to go over and say you two clowns get on with the game honestly get on with the game rice is so experienced Grassroots he he is an experienced International he's KCK oh he's oh he's kicked me oh the ball's moving oh this all crap what's also going through Rice's mind though when he's on the floor rolling because that kick didn't hurt him he knows in the back of his mind when he gets up there is a potential that he's getting the second yellow I don't agree with it I think the referee could leave it and not book any of the players but when he's on the ground rolling around he's hoping that the referee kind of forgets and he doesn't book any of them and he gets back gets yellow card and unfortun no sympathy for rice no sympathy at all I'm sorry I think in that I think in that moment I don't even think de rice thinks he's getting a yellow I think he Taps the ball so slightly he thinks this is nothing so the shock in his face is like he kicking him he honestly doesn't think that he's done anything against the the book The Book of the law but as you're saying if you touch the ball you're technically kicking it away and that's why it's so it's so unfortunate I think that's an unfortunate red card for who for r for us I think it's unfortunate he's only got himself to blame I mean listen when he sat when he sat in that dressing and he heard he heard bright and equalized he would have known he is to blame for that he would I've been there I've been sent off I know what's it change room oh honestly it's it's the worst it's the worst place worst place I got sent off um in a in a game against Southampton I got a drag down alen sheir on the edge of the box I mean that sounds that sounds like a you problem about about 16 minutes it was a straight red 16 minutes 16 minutes young did Young right right 16 and you go and there's no one in there there's no literally you're just on your own in the dressing room you can hear the crowd and you and it's a it's a lonely throwing your boots about you you you sit there and you you you look at yourself there's no way Dean rice is in that dressing room at that moment blaming the referee he's looking at himself under the current laws of the game that is a second yellow card you can talk about velman all day long but currently under the laws of the game kicking the ball away is a second y g and you can't get away from that that is the truth yeah but it has to be ad adaptations of su rules you know why because that's why saying if the ball hits your hand it's a hand ball no it's not as clear as that don't kick the ball away don't kick the ball away doesn't matter it's a flick or it's a kick he kicked the ball away he knows what he's doing that is the sort of thing you'd expect a 10-year-old to do there is a they're both a pair and that is my point they both a pair of 10year olds that's exactly my point and the referee has a chance to actually make a mockery of some of these rules and say listen I know in rule I know in the hand of rule 4.6 on P seven it says if a player touches the ball to the right out of the ey line of the player want to play a pass they need to be sent off car in a yellow line and you come up and someone is about to write a ticket out no one goes oh do you know what right you're right and you're only over there guess what just said that you know what can happen do you know what can happen there's a mitigation certain circumstances thing and I can plead my case and I can actually say hang on a minute you can see that I bought this ticket at X time or hang on a minute you can see that mate and then the size of the car look at the it depends it depends you good luck you can win I've done that before good luck I've done that before depends what burrow you're in good luck with that in London it depends what burrow you're in and I tell you what the burrow of v and these people are giv referees the saying oh use your common sense or use their intuition well look there's no common sense is that going to overturn them F no chance well you're not allowed to you're not even allowed to the rules don't even allow that's what I'm saying it's flawed do not give the referee decision to make kick the ball away listen as ridiculous it may feel stuck to the law don't kick the ball away J Pedro kicked the ball all the way up into the North Bank where's the yellow card okay he should have got a yellow card right why so why didn't he so why didn't he here's what I go back the rules are the rules I go back to my original point the referee gets one right and one wrong Pedro should have been booked rice was booked second yellow good night Jas I've got to ask you after that red card that Alan Shir won when he was in the change room did you did you get showered or did you just stay know after 16 minutes I got showered I was up in the stand next to my mom and dad before half time what were they saying what have you done I just I just don't talk I sat with my mom and dad wasn't hadn't even got to Half Time 16 minutes 16 minutes who's the gapper who's your gaer at the time it was here in portfield did you grow did you gr yeah you had a meet with me afterwards did you just see did you just running through he's so he's going to score I thought I thought I thought got the ball and Alan sheir has jumped up waving the imaginary red card get for that but back then see back then different times different foot they say back in the day they said Shir used to referee the games used to have the referees under control is that true it's a I've got a red I'm not I'm not sitting here I'm not sitting here and saying it wasn't a red I got I got none of the ball I got lots of shear and it was outside the box it was a stopping office minutes I'm not I'm not complaining at all right my starting position I shouldn't complain even start position yeah that's you know and that's football you know and I you know as a as a young as a young pro what like you got to learn from that you know Declan rice will like I go back to the point I made if this is in the World Cup in two years time in a semifinal and we go down to 10 men we've seen that with Beckham we've seen that with Rooney how de devastating it can be we've seen to Arsenal today there's no way they draw that game in my mind if they' got 10 11 V1 no way no way and he's got that is for an experienced player that is a poor I mean it's just look at it again when you say in full speed it's it's just ridiculous he kick the ball away when you see that in full speed nobody should be getting s off actually cuz actually slow-mo makes things worse when you just see it as just take the bias out of slowmo and angles let's just watch this whole St stupid play out in full speed k theall no one should be getting can I just make one can I make one other point can I make one other point by the way that that goal even if it's 11v 11 that pass from dunk should not be allowed to be made yes yes yeah you got two backs to four you got that that's where Arsenal really really lost the two points the rice one but that there that is that's terrible to hold on to at home on am on dab via the talk sport app and on your smart speaker talk sport