Week 14 Beyond the Boxscore, SNF Recap + Injury News! | 2023 Fantasy Football Advice

Intro it's time for beyond the box score we only have two beyond the box scores left did you guys know that I did not that's be sad to not be able to break down tape with you with you boys because we have next Monday and then we have following Monday is Christmas and the following is New Year's Day and I'm not gonna make you guys We're Not Gonna well I'm not gonna do it either but no one's doing a show on on those Mondays so this is it pen ultimate episode of the season for beyond the box score Advanced stats from simple but we'll recap Dallas beating the Eagles by 20 they beat most teams by that much uh we'll give you some injury updates of course Advance stats our four big topics today are wide receivers who are currently outside the top 20 in points per game that could be League winners in the fantasy playoffs it's a mouthful uh are we starting Keenan Allen this week what about Jamar Chase it's basically struggling wide receivers I would say is the general theme here and Jacob loves wide receivers so this one is right up his alley he's like kind of a wide receiver guy and then we'll talk about the quarterback position and whether or not you wait on quarterback next year based on what we've seen this year uh all right we rooting for the Giants tonight Dan or we rooting against them what's the deal yeah you know what I hate to have to admit this because it's gonna you know lose me some supporters I always understand that but I'm not the type of fan who roots for wins in these types of Seasons you know I don't care about making the playoffs as a wild card seven seed and losing by 30 I want a long solution I want long-term success and these types of Wis tend to not lead to that you've been told a lie your whole lives that these winds build culture that culture never seems to carry over to the next season so no you know I just want the draft position I want and ultimately I want a shot at one of these quarterbacks and then I want to have some fun and watch good quarterback film I was watching Matthew Safford today to watch Cooper cup for film breakdown we have and guy's phenomenal on tape I mean the guy throws with anticipation consistently his arm Talent is through the roof he processes information pre and post Snap like nothing I've seen watching the Giants for the last five years and nothing remotely even close to anything that Daniel Jones has done from a processing standpoint or from an arm Talent standpoint so at some point you know you want that as a fan you want to have that hope that you can have the guy who can bring you through to a Super Bowl on a consistent basis well they will not be playing against Aaron Jones tonight so we'll talk about the Packers running backs in a little bit let's start with Dallas 33 and Philadelphia 13 Cowboys had the ball for more than 36 minutes in this game so just not a lot of possession for the eagles they fumbled the ball three times in Cowboys territory uh they had a couple of almost touchdowns so Tony Pard had an almost touchdown that ended up being a RICO dowo touchdown that was annoying Brandon Cooks had an almost touchdown that ended up in a Michael Gallop touchdown Devante Eagles-Cowboys Smith uh he dropped a gorgeous pass that should have been a long touchdown so it could have been a really good game for Devon Smith and the Eagles have lost consecutive games for the first time in two years October 2021 more than two years and Brandon Aubrey last thing here Brandon Aubrey the Cowboys kicker like League winner he's unreal he's incredible they just found this guy from the MLS and they're like here let's make you a kicker now he's the best in the NFL basically he's the first kicker in NFL history to have two 59 plus yard field goals in the same game and he has not missed yet one of those was good from like 75 by the way I know crazy Jacob hasn't spoken yet so Jacob what are your takeaways from the Cowboys Eagles yeah I think you hit it on the head where just not enough plays for Philadelphia only 52 plays and nine drives both were the lowest of any team this week um it was good to see Dallas gback 93% route participation for him right away so no limitations and then it was also good to see Devonte Smith still uh draw 10 targets even with GD back because they been pretty pronounced splits um when Gard has been on or off the field so that's all good the bad was basically everything else um particularly with DeAndre Swift We have back-to-back games now without a single avoided tackle um he to me looks like he's worn down as the season has gone on I'm not sure if that's what's actually happening or not um on the Dallas side of things you mentioned Rico Dalo got a lot more involved than I would have expected and it wasn't just the blowout thing he had more first quarter first half carries than Tony par did so I thought that was definitely interesting then he you know got the touchdown those frustrating the other thing to bring up is Brandon Cooks I think people have kind of leaned on him for Fantasy he had that huge game against the Giants then he had a couple other games where he scored touchdowns um but I don't think he's somebody we can trust his past four Target Shares are 10% 16% 10% and then 133% this past week um and he's not seeing a ton of air yards either so he's been running pretty hot on um pretty thin usage and I I just don't know if we can trust that going forward oh yeah know it's all touchdowns for cooks and I thought he was worth a shot this week and like I said he came up like a half a yard short if that of a touchdown I thought he was worth a shot because the Eagles give up so many points to wide receivers and I thought this would be a shootout the Cowboys held up their end of the bargain Jake Ferguson LED actually led the team in receiving with 72 yards lamb had 71 yards and a touchdown uh you know it's funny I I know PD's numbers weren't great 3.7 yards per carry but he did have seven catches that only went for 37 yards I thought he looked pretty good though I don't know if anybody else felt that way it's I thought this was maybe the best I'd seen Tony power look all season I I can get on board with that I feel like it test wise he he he did pass that that barometer of what what we've been used to him but there's still not that lack of explosion I feel like in his game right now yeah I guess so I mean I can't he ran well though he ran low low center of gravity like ran through KC well I thought which was which was good all right and a pretty small role in the passing game for Dallas Godard which was obviously something we were gonna be paying attention to what was Devonte Smith's Target sh gonna be like with G back and Smith and brown had 27 targets out of uh no 20 I'm sorry 23 targets out of 27 passes from Jaylen Herz in this game and that's pretty much it I mean I think Swift will be a difficult decision for Fantasy managers he did not have a Target in this game uh he had a pretty big role in the passing game last week but that's been hit or miss for him so you know what you're doing you're starting Brown I think you're starting Swift goddard's got to be like a low-end starter at this point and then for the Cowboys I guess I guess the only thing I'd say for the Cowboys is I wouldn't assume that Jake Ferguson is going to be a stud every week There's been too many weeks where he hasn't been a stud he's like most tight ends where he's going to you know he's going to be like Cole KT some week you're going to go oh am I starting Ferguson he just had such a bad game and then the next week he's going to have 70 yards or whatever but any final thoughts from you Dan yeah one final thought would just be that I don't know if I agree with you on Ferguson I really like his role in this game I feel like he's used intermediate and on the underneath stuff and he came really close to a touchdown too that would have really changed his box score I know he's had a couple misses at him but back at it yeah versus the tight ends I almost feel like he to me he profiles as an every week starter especially given his role Ro and the system and how functional this pass game is versus the rest of the NFL's pass games but my final word Adam would be you know breaking breaking a little bit here T the season right it's the season for and by T the season I mean the season for Festivus right and in the season of Festivus there are some aing grievances so I'll limit it to one right now oh oh my God we have grievances we have grievance we have AG grievance I'll limit it to one one you know before the show started I asked Adam for a little bit of an extens today because I wanted a little bit more time to watch some Drake London Day you know sometimes we do that on the show we start at one sometimes we start a little bit later Adam responded by saying okay fine but I hate you and he spelled the word hate h8 you no y no o no a no t no e this is from the guy who says I hate D's breakout season using the S SC CN szn you have to spell out season every time why are people using season you got to spell it out and now this is the guy who comes back with a hate h8 so I just want to bring that up call out the hypocrisy of Adam and again it's FES ofest season so we got to air some grievances that's fine I just I think when I said h8u I think it it gave it sort of a giddy nature to it you know I didn't want you to think I about when I say season that's not the same no just what is that I thankfully that's gone nobody says SZ anymore no I I I always know when these things are not goingon to last like that wasn't gonna last you know I didn't think LOL was going to last though I gotta tell you lol's not going anywhere Adam AER the barometer of what trends will last what will die all right I didn't mean to imply that Jake Ferguson isn't isn't like a must start option he's number two in Targets on the Dallas Cowboys that's exactly what you're looking for I'm just saying he's not going to be immune to Bad Games the last two games 72 and 77 yards so three games before that 26 yards 32 yards 35 yards uh he did catch a touchdown in one of those three games sports line awesome you want to gamble we got great gambling advice on Sportsline we got models you know simulations and also experts who do this for a living telling you which games they like uh we've got fantasy advice uh on Sportsline all over the place on Sportsline from many many different people including a beyond the box score article from Jacob and if you want 60% off a quarterly plan 60% off a quarterly plan use the promo code eek wins EK wins at sportsline.com joined EK wins for 60% off a quarterly plan all right a lot of news and notes tonight so a lot of news notes right now but one for tonight is that Aaron Jones is Not expected to play at the Giants so we have two games tonight you might have some options if you either had Aaron Jones or AJ Dylan but I I mean I kind of like AJ Dylan now in a good matchup and hopefully he can finally score so someone asked me earlier Dylan or dos in PPR what would you guys do there Injuries, News, and Notes Dylan or dos PBR I'm GNA go Dylan tonight without Aaron Jones I think the game script will be really good for him against the Giants I don't I personally don't think the Giants are covering this spread or keeping it that close yeah i' land towards it down too right I I said last week when we talked about Dylan because they played on uh um was that Monday it was Monday night right Sunday night Sunday night uh that he keeps scoring about 11 points a game without a touchdown so it's all he needs to do and he got him so close last week if you get the End Zone from Dylan you're probably going to have a pretty good game from him uh Justin Herbert is not going to play this week they play Thursday against the Raiders and we don't know the extent of the injury we just know that he's not going to play this week and he's going to have more tests Justin Jefferson apparently encouraging news on Justin Jefferson CJ strads in the concussion protocol Nico uh Collins has the calf injury Josh Jacobs knee injury Alexander Madison ankle um Jerome Ford X-rays were negative on I believe his wrist and that's the big stuff there Buck secondary got pretty beat up yesterday they play the Packers in week 15 what week we're in Texans got pretty beat up on defense last yesterday they play the Titans next week Kyle Hamilton Baltimore starting safety he has a sprained MCL they're facing the Jaguars in Jacksonville in week 15 um charvarius W oh yeah the Niners got really beat up charvarius Ward their top corner and Javon Hargrave left with injuries and they were already playing without Eric Armstead they got Arizona next week Jonathan henkins pretty big deal for the Cowboys Jonathan henkins left with a sprain ankle he's a defensive tackle who's been around a long time and uh they lose a lot in run defense when he's not there so Buffalo is their next opponent and safety Reed blankin ship for the Eagles really good player he left with a concussion you could look at uh cydney Jones I believe his name is I don't know why blanking on that uh the backup saf in IDP he's kind of an exciting young player for the Eagles all right let's do some Advanced stats and some snap counts and stuff like that and Jacob the floor is yours all right so Jonathan Mingo we brought up last week finally saw a spike in Advanced Stats usage we've been waiting for all year this week he saw nine targets and 159 Prairie yards um I don't know how many of those are catchable because I didn't put myself through call prair yards I never heard that before I love that when Bry young th you a pass they're not air yards they're pray yards you better you better be praying you should coin that because I'm going to start stealing that for like 90% of the NFL quarterbacks I watch on a daily on a weekly basis I love that I love that yeah so I don't know on Mango but it's at least cool to see him you know doing some stuff involved in the offense um getting more you know pre- snap motion that kind of stuff so not a great schedule the rest of the way probably not going to be fantasy relevant but maybe for deeper leagues uh Rashid rice we've been tracking his rout participation all all year long his previous high was 69% it was up to 83% this week so we finally saw Rashid rice as the clearcut wide receiver one um only ran three fewer routes than Travis Kelce for the team lead tied Kelce with 10 targets still not running a downfield nuanced route tree his average route depth was below five yards which is extremely low um part of that is because he ran a lot of screens and that drags that way down um but yeah even beyond that he's just not working down the field very much um but I mean that that's fine it's working you know for Fantasy especially for PPR leagues um Odell Beckham we've talked about him quite a bit as well his you know big game this week mostly that one catch um only 57% rap participation so that's up from what we had seen prior to the buy where was around 33% for three straight weeks um but still Nelson agore ran more routes than him so he's he's playing extremely well Beckham is but that's going to be tough to trust um the usage if it doesn't tick up which it kind of seems like he's just not a full-time player at this point yeah I noticed that one too Odell Beckham 53% of the snaps and I think that's I thought it was the shoulder two weeks ago but now I'm much less certain he's still had didn't he have 10 Targets in this game so he must be among the leaders in Target run rate recently yeah on a per route basis he's just been absolutely insane this year um more Baltimore we've got Justice Hill yeah leading Ravens backfield and snaps which you hate to see um didn't have a single Rush attempt um so it's not you know he's not relevant for Fantasy it's just a a negative note for the other two guys there um and then on the bills even with Dawson knocks back we still saw Dalton concade lead buffalo in routes run which was really encouraging uh 22% Target share for concade thought he looked good thought he was open a lot um I obviously watched that whole Chiefs game that was not fun um but yeah good to see for concade because I thought he might be you know kind of falling out of that top eight tight end range if he fell back to the usage he had when Knox was healthy early in the year but that's not what we saw lerus sne all pro I want more people on this on so good yeah uh yeah okay that's great to know that's I love that stat on where do you stand on the crybaby end of the game between Andy Reid and Mahomes crybaby yeah that's that's a big question we need to know here yeah I mean I said it last week I think it's kind of silly the way that Chiefs fans and now even those two are are getting their feathers ruffled by the the the officiating it's like man you guys have had so many if you go on Twitter I'm sure you'll find a thread somewhere of well documented instances of the cheese getting you're benefiting from calls especially late in games and it's just I don't my other thing is like it's not about you it's not this isn't you know them picking on you it's just that the product sucks the NFL misses calls all the time and like is inconsistent with stuff all the time and I don't know I think it's honestly really silly that Chee fans get so upset about this I'm surprised that Mahomes and Reed or Mahomes especially haven't come out yet and been like frustration I was frustrated after a game but like clearly he was offside because like there's no like debate or anything the dude was clearly offside right yeah no if they their argument is that you usually get a warning and they didn't get one right but the referees were like he was so offside we couldn't even ball and the official on the broadcast I forgot uh said um that it was the right call it was egregious basically that you want to give them you want to help them out if it's a little bit but that Tony was so offside that it was it had to be called cadarius Tony has had so many horrific m i mean he had the front win the Super Bowl which by the way as a Giants fan is just like a super sweet bonus because it was against the Eagles so like it was just great to see that be his one good moment but like so many of the most bone eded mistakes have come from Gary's Tony on this Chiefs team it's like wild that one person who plays no snaps can have that man plays like no snaps can have that many boneheaded game deciding mistakes but I for one am not feeling bad about it because he handled his time with the Giants horrifically and his handled his post time after the Giants horrifically and yes you hate him I got a bon to pick with this comment here uh from Victor the product does suck Jacob speaking facts no we hold this product to such a high standard but if it sucked we wouldn't be wrapped up in it every single week it is the absolute go watch baseball I know right like football is by far the best sport people complaining about the product are the same people just like us three who ground through Patriot Steelers on Thursday night and pretended like oh we're not gonna watch this and then we watched it well we I didn't watch it we have to so many people who didn't have to did basketball is better than football they say the NBA is better no I don't agree they miss calls every possession the officiating is is outrageously bad in the NBA oh my God and not only that they stopped to review everything in the last two minutes unbearable I just I just wish they would fix pass interference it's so easy to fix is though they tried to do it that year debacle and then they had go back they didn't try hard enough you know just use common sense everyone with eyes knew that mvs was interfered with so when it's that obvious just overturn it and also I say this every time don't make it a spot foul you two different types of pass interferences you have a 15 yard which works really well in college by the way nobody complains about it in college and if it's really super egregious and you want to make it like a the personal foul variety basically then you could make it a spot foul if someone just gets beat and tackles the guy fine I don't mind this idea of yours in theory atam but now you're putting more on the plate of these refs who are already struggling to call the game as is so use replay like you can do it so quickly too we watch one replay at home and we know oh this was interference you have these officials that are that are you know with the broadcast Crews they like yeah this is not pass it's so easy and they make it so difficult and they don't use technology to help them and pass interference becomes the most consequential play in the game because it's a spot I know AI is gonna fix all this in a few years 10 years from now we'll have ai AR and I can't yeah it's yeah anyway the NFL is the best and we know it we just have high standards for it but the NFL is great you if you thought that we weren't excited for last Thursday's game we got the Raiders and the Herbert L Chargers oh no oh no that's this Thursday yeah in a game that means nothing basically all right we're gonna take a break and go through some more stats I don't know if Jacob is anym we'll find out we'll be right back on fantasy football today are you using a plunger to unclock the shake machine as in the same plunger we used to unclock the toilet uh no we're going to be opening Mega good bir workers in cities all over the world wow Mega Corp wants to replace everybody with robots we got to do something here's your [Music] Burg that's not Soap by the way it's maple syrup why I'm genuinely laughing from from the Good Burger to me too I was laughing from that that was awesome you guys ever see good burger the first one oh yeah oh yeah that it was great right oh what a great movie they recaptured it in that in that preview we just saw on Paramount that's that's going to be a good one yeah yeah all right um khil Herbert played 12 snaps Chris o la played only 65% of the snaps I have to believe that was because he had the flu yep and uh Snap Counts Noah Brown played only 66% of the snaps which I thought was disappointing considering Nico Collins was out for basically the entire game but Brown was on the injury report but we'll have to figure out you know if there's a world where we have CJ strout and no Nico Collins are we going to buy into the two good games basically of like the entire career of Noah Brown not to be mean here but when Noah Brown had those back-to-back monster games it certainly came as a surprise you know based on a pretty non-descript career he's done nothing the last two weeks so it's gonna be kind of hard to buy into anyway but somebody's gonna have to catch passes there maybe it'll be Dalton Schultz hopefully he'll be back uh I tried to take a look at the Houston running backs and what the heck is going on there and Damen pierus is back for three games and in the middle game of those three they they basically split series and Pierce had a better game than single ter and he scored a touchdown but the other two games the Jacksonville game in week 12 and the Jets game in week 14 he he barely played played less than 20% of the snaps and Deon single ter looked like a guy that you could maybe start as a flex so the one thing I can say confidently is I don't have any faith in in Pierce and if they keep this usage up then single Terry you know he he could be good a ten against Tennessee next week uh you know without probably without Jeffrey Simmons something to look at but I'm trying to figure out what the heck's going on there and and basically two of the three games since Pierce has gone back he's been almost completely uninvolved and he doesn't catch any passes obviously Dar Goomba plays a lot on third down uh anything else from you Jacob no I don't have anything else all right let's talk about some uh some film review I guess then we'll get into our big topics here what did you watch today Film Review Dan I got to watch three players specifically I watched Easton stick and his snaps against Los uh sorry with Los Angeles because I wanted to kind of see where they're going to move forward with an offense as an offense there I watched Cooper cup because he had his nice big game after some bad weeks and then I watch Drake London because he's a phenomenal watch on film and Jacob threw it out there and I was excited to watch that so those are my three guys this week all right let's talk about East stick first I also was able to watch him and the numbers actually 13 of 24 for 179 yards against the Bron Broncos pretty good I got to be honest I mean I think he's going to turn the ball over he's obviously going to make some mistakes he he fumbled two times I think he had another fumble overturned uh he threw a couple passes I think that could have been intercepted but should have been yeah he was better he was better than I thought you know when I went back and watched it it kind of gave me a semblance of confidence for Keenan Allen in week 15 against the Bears it's not the Bears I'm sorry um Raiders Raiders y Thursday night yeah of course right Thursday night at the Raiders yeah go ahead yeah so I think we we maybe had a little bit of a different interpretation of the of of what I saw at least on the tape Adam um and that's not to say like you know one person is right one person is wrong I am there were some things that are are good I think the good thing is the first most important part is from the very first snap he took and that just includes all the game not just the because it was a two-minute Trail the Chargers ran Kell Moore's offense with him they didn't have to go into like you know under Center heavy personnel run run run you know roll out he knows this offense he's been here he understands it he been going here for the whole off season and he just is looked like a professional backup if that makes sense now that's the good thing the bad thing is a lot I thought on his first of all almost everything was designed for quick game stick routes and for what just to provide a little bit of explanation on that that what that means is like the design of a route is to be breaking back toward the quarterback so stick routes are essentially like and anything in Breaking like that um and so you know that's going to be as you saw in this game Broncos were starting to sit on that they were starting to drive on it and there were multiple passes that should have been intercepted third and four with 15 minutes left in the third quarter uh near interception the he just didn't read the underneath linebacker a third and four in the in the with 512 in the third quarter Easy outbreaking Pass from the slot to Alex Erikson and the throws just wildly offt Target and you know we're talking about a pass that's only 10 yards in the air traveled to be that off Target's not great he didn't process the in breaker and threw to a check down on First and 10 with 136 in Q3 it's just bad processing uh he did a good job in with uh you know in first and 10 with in the third quarter with 47 seconds left coming off the quick game look to his right working through his progression to find Keenan Allen that was nice I I like that then you know 1437 quarter four this is just what what's gonna hurt with a player like said you know he's forced off his landmark in the pocket he looks for the check down to Austin Eckler it's just a four-yard throw and he's off platform and it just Falls two yard short the arm toal just simply not there the the boundary skinny post to Quinn and Johnson is best throw of the game I guess if you want to call it that with 1148 in the fourth quarter the long ball the Deep ball that was really nice not I guess to me um he he he had two he had two hitches into the throw I'm not asking him I'm not asking him to be I'm not asking him to be a Hall of Famer I'm not even asking him to be start worthy I'm asking him to be competent that's all I I know but like to me it's like that skinny post which is supposedly his best throw and you can look at it yourselves if you want to make your own judgment 1148 quarter 4 he hit he needs two hitches so he hitches twice into that throw and then the ball still hangs up in the air there and then it's not horrible but it's just like that's the limitations of a player like this the arm Talent like and when defenses start to you know scheme around that quarterback it's like everything starts to shorten they they condense the entire field they're going to bring the safeties up they're going to have their corners and linebackers drive on all the stick routes they're going to you know force him to kind of do things more outside of structure that aren't going to really work for a player like him he doesn't have much Mobility has some ability not great he doesn't throw well off platform at all the only good throws I saw for him when was when he had um you know balanced base and then squared shoulders and that's just going to be tough to come by I think it's going to limit the entire offense I think Keenan Allen might be able to you know fight through this potentially but I don't see much of a seiling with him Austin Eckler is the one guy I think who could maybe not benefit from this because he'll be scoring less but like get a lot of these like grindy six seven reception games out of this because I think he's going to dump down to him a lot and they're going to also just like mixin plays that are like designed to clear out everyone and have Eckler come underneath on a drag just to kind of get the ball out to somebody but I don't have much hope at all for for this offense to be completely honest all right well we'll talk about Keenan Allen a little bit later um and we'll talk about Cooper cup uh yeah we can we can get into that we get into our four big topics I just want to give my quick thoughts on Jake Browning because I think a lot of you are going to be looking at Jake Brown and he's coming off two straight games with 27.7 or more points in six point per pass touchdown leagues can we trust them against Minnesota you know it's hard to trust anyone his air yards per attempt in the last three games 5.1 4.5 and 4.5 but he definitely and by the way put that in perspective four four and a half air yards per attempt La each of the last two games the NFL low is 6.3 wow among qualified quarterbacks and that quarterback is Joe burrow so this is just part of their offense but Patrick Mahomes is 6.8 Jared G is 6.8 they're the second and third lowest so you can be a good quarterback without a lot of air yards but 4.5 is ridiculous but it was like 7.5 in the second half and the second half he looked like a different quarterback he was throwing the ball downfield um I thought he actually played pretty well Jake Browning the first half was like kind of gimmicky the two long screen passes uh I think it was a 56 yard touchdown uh 54 yards Chase Brown Mixon had a long one but in the second half it was better and his numbers would have been better T Higgins had two drops in this game um and uh you know I I I don't think I want to start him against Minnesota because Minnesota's actually pretty good on defense now but I do have more faith in Chase and Higgins perhaps yeah uh because I think Browning has has passed the test a little bit you know he injury situation now with Browning oh he's fine he had a cramp in his hand gonna be okay okay uh he was bad against the Steelers but I think other than that he's been he's been pretty good against kind of bad defenses the last two weeks in Jacksonville and Indianapolis so Minnesota will be harder for him but I I was happy I was happy with what I saw you know again just just want a guy who can distribute the ball and uh and not kill the offense and keep them in their Rhythm lowest offt Target rate in the NFL among qualifiers is Jake Browning at 3.9% next is Kirt cousins and Mahomes in the 7 to 8% range right and a lot of that has to do with the low average depth of Target of course exactly yeah all right uh on the other end of that we have e stick with a 21% rate offt target rate that's bad that's not good no uh WR outside top 20 in ppg that can be a league winner in fantasy playoffs all right let's get to our big topics then so this one's from Scott which wide receivers outside the top 20 in points per game can be a League winner in the fantasy playoffs which wide receiver outside the top 20 in points per game can be a League winner in the fantasy playoffs let's just open this up by talking about Drake London and what Dan saw from him because my God I I watched every route and it was insane he obviously had all the targets caught almost all of them but he was also open a lot outside of that where I thought he got missed um and some of the catches he made were just bananas dude like it like cap it off with the last one on the Hail Mary where he just gets drilled and like comes down with it among three Defenders is like that's what he was doing all game it was nuts yeah Ian before before your analysis I'm just gonna say no I he's not going to be a League winner he's not getting any better he's always been great he was the first receiver taken for a reason that's not the issue Desmond Ritter threw over 40 passes and threw for a career high I think in yards you know he was over 300 yards this is just we see this all the time but Tampa Bay sucks against wide receivers it's what does he have he has two touchdowns this year so it's just not possible it's not possible for Drake London in my opinion to be a League winner everything would have to fall into place perfectly for him we know there super runhe heavy we know Ritter's not good enough it has nothing to do with Drake London it has everything to do with everything we've seen the past two years from Drake London and Kyle pittz I cannot buy that anyone in the Falcons passing game could possibly be a League winner I think that's totally fair I I do like I have been a little bit worried about what we've seen from London up to this point not only just the offensive environment that he's in but like I don't think he's looked like the same player as last year at times I think he's been consistent I don't know if he's been injured it's an effort thing or what it is just like it sucks playing in Atlanta um but but like to me it was really good like long-term note to see him come out and just completely dominate a game even against Tampa Bay yeah and I think that's exactly sorry go ahead Adam no no no no I said go ahead Dan I think like ultimately like I watched his tape and I think ultimately what my main takeaway was for this show is screaming by in Dynasty he's person personally my favorite player to buy in Dynasty right now and I he was even better to buy five six weeks ago I think think and this is not maybe the maybe you want to wait for a bad game statistically to buy back in but I mean at some point the quarterback play will improve and I will say this about Ritter Adam you look at the end uh you know end run for London and Ritter at the end of last season he had a really big Target share from Ritter in that run and I say this about Ritter he's not a good quarterback but I like that he throws the ball up for for London and this is something I've always talked about talk about Michael pcks out of Washington I just like the quarterbacks who will just give those receivers a chance on the outside and just throw the ball up instead of being like uh the coverage isn't there it's not perfect I don't really want to take this I'll just go to the checkdown I'll throw the underneath drack you just throw it up and see what these guys can do and they're such phenomenal players that they can often make plays and I'm reminded of the game we watched for beyond the box score last year in like week 12 Falcons vers Steelers where on tape it was the best game I saw by any receiver all year Drake London and Mariota marota him and he should have had like 220 yards but Mariota was God awful in that game one of the worst games I've seen on tape by a quarterback not named you know a New York Giants quarterback because I watch a lot of those games but Drake London's ability is just crazy like it's if you want to see some examples of it I put three on Twitter um you can find them on my account but I'll throw a couple in there now for the people listening on the show if you guys have Game Pass from the NFL or any way to access the all 22 first quarter 738 just that ability to that he displays on that to stop on a dime at the top of his route then break outside you watch The Defender there's three yards of separation and his ankles are broken then he extends away from his frame on an of Target throw and pulls it in and he has that same exact breath I think you know every time I watch London guys it's like two to five reps a game I'll watch a defensive back just falling off balance completely ankles broken 1311 Quarter Two is another one he fakes the in Cut uh running a dig and then goes outside and then obviously you know the the play of the game which is like uh you know the last play where he extends away or that that bomb not the last play his second to last catch where he extends away from his frame makes the phenomenal catch just crazy stuff to show that kind of body control concentration ability to adjust in the air and then the and then obviously at the catch Point everything he did there he also does things like you know that go unnoticed sometimes second quarter 40 seconds left in the in in the half a contested catch where he's running a route where you know Ritter just has a lot of trust in him but he throws him into a hit like he has two Defenders converging on him comes up with the catch anyway so I just think his ability to move the way that he does at 64 215 is special it's rare at the NFL level it makes him in my mind one of the five you know five Mo receivers i' most want to trade for in Dynasty I honestly I feel like there's still so much un potential now can he be a League winner rest of season like Jacob said I actually think he can be based on one what I said about Ritter you know consistency as far as throwing the ball up in contestant C situation two what we saw from him and Ritter down the stretch run from a fantasy standpoint last season Adam I think that does play a role here too so I I'm with Jacob on this I have a couple their names I throw out as League winners but this is one I can I can go on Jacob's side with go ahead you can throw out your other names I just it's so hard for me to they never throw touchdowns so just again two touchdown catches for him I just don't see it and he doesn't have good matchups either going forward like bears are pretty good against wide receivers believe it or not actually they're really good the Panthers are a tough matchup the Colts that's a good matchup in week 16 but go ahead Dan who are your other league winners that are not currently top 20 in points per game so not currently top 20 that's going to leave very few options but I'm gonna throw Garrett Wilson out there because he's not currently top 20 and that Target chair he had this week with Zach Wilson was phenomenal type stuff I mean I think that's how it's going to be rest of the season for him I think they're just going to be ripping targets to him and you could still win with volume even if you don't score that many touchdowns he's so phenomenal he could score touchdowns so Garrett Wilson for me rasid rice who we talked about a bunch on the show we're big fans maybe just maybe we see a little bit of an extension of that uh Target share and just that like like Jacob said a different expansion of his routes maybe toward the end of the season I'm not so sure Andy Reed's offense is really hard to pick up but it's worth it's worth considering to say the least for me um that's my second one and then the last one for me would be if he can get healthy and that's a big if obviously Christian Watson for the Packers because like I said last two games on tape the film's been phenomenal he looked he looked before the injury he looked special the rapport with Jordan love looked like it was starting to be special so those would be my big three I had two of those three Garrett Wilson and Rashi rice decent schedules for those guys uh the other one was Z flowers which I maybe he's played well enough that he's basically in this top 20 range in most people's minds um but last two games he's been I think pretty great um and he plays the Jags and the Niners these next two games and those are the first and second highest teams in um situation neutral opponent pass rate and so I think we're going to see a ton of attempts again just like we did this past week Baltimore has kind of come around to the Todd monin offense that we thought we're going to get and so like we're getting huge volume like even when flowers didn't draw a ton of targets on a per route basis he ran 53 routes this past week so that's just insane volume um in a rainy game too they still RI the ball yeah and then Miami is with like the fantasy championship game so all three of those are potentially high-scoring games um yeah there's not much else outside the top 20 that stood out to me the first guy outside the top 20 per game is Chris olve and I think for sure he's he's got the potential to be a League winner he's got the Giants the Rams and the Bucks and yeah I think go is gonna have a big finish again a touchdown problem when Tamm Hill is there he had a short yardage touchdown in this game but um I think that's I think most of these guys have touchdown problems which is why they are not in the top 20 and it it makes a big difference when you think about the wide receivers that get in the end zone pretty consistently Devonte Adams has done that three times Devonte Adams is a guy who's outside the top 20 can he be a League winner well I don't know uh he's got the Chargers this week should be fine they've been better lately but that's a fine matchup the Chiefs next or the Chiefs in week 16 is going to get Sneed he had a decent game against the Chiefs he had uh 12.3 points against the Chiefs and then the Colts in the fantasy Championship but again Aiden oconnell a oconnell thrown three touchdowns in his five starts since taking over for Garo so they're just they scored 30 points against the Giants since then I don't think they've scored more than 17 points in any game so like Adams is a must start is he a we League winner I don't know Garrett Wilson I feel kind of the same way I think I'd rather have Wilson in full PPR than Adams he gets gets so many targets from Z Wilson now in four of the last six games with Zack Wilson he's got 12 to 14 targets seven or more catches 80 or more yards that's in five of the last six pardon me so all these guys are gonna have trouble scoring Jaylen Wadd I'm hopeful it's gonna have to start tonight because he's got a tough playoff schedule and then there's Cooper cup which is another guy you looked at Dan and uh Cooper cup can he be a League winner he had eight catches for 115 yards and a touchdown at Baltimore gets Washington the Saints of the Giants he basically has a very similar schedule to uh Chris olve um Washington Giants is phenomenal it's Giants uh well no I'm sorry it's just one team in in common there but both have easy schedules going forward so do you think that uh Cooper cup and by the way my sleeper would be Z Jones okay that be my sleeper probably not this week but because they have Baltimore but after that I could see Z Jones having a big finish uh do you think Cooper cup can be a League winner Dam yeah I missed this one I didn't realize he qualified and he does and he would probably he would definitely move um top of my list now Cooper cup it was an interesting watch on film I would say this and this would make it seem like the opposite of what I'm about to say which is by Cooper cup which is it's probably the least explosive I've ever seen him look on tape I think it's very clear he's playing through an injury right now and he's not at 100% And yet I don't think it actually matters because Cooper cup has never really won with explosion and there were multiple plays where he destroyed his assignment uh for example the third and four with 504 in the third quarter he runs a slot Fort and just absolutely destroys the slot corner by driving with the inside step and then the outside release it's so smooth it's so technical it's so Cooper cup and it works and it creates separation um he had the out and up with 106 left in the fourth quarter I mean this dude looks like he's running a 475 on that and yet he creates like two five two to three yard 2.5 to three yards of Separation on it because he sells the out so well he's just so technically technically sound and smooth as a route Runner and that's the good thing from just the you know ey test film standpoint but the fantasy standpoint what I really love is so much scheme production in this game pre- snap motions free releases now this anyone who's watched sea McVey over the years knows the constants of his offense are pre- snap motion great free releases and also tight you know condensed look so he doesn't have the typical one outside boundary receiver two outside boundary receiver a lot of the times he'll just bring those receivers in and he'll have two guys around the line of scrimmage and he does this so he can create free releases off the line of scrimmage for easier throws and for easier you know receptions and there were a lot of that Cooper cup was in motion a lot had a ton of free releases you know there was a 27 yard gain I wrote down in my notes uh 1355 Quarter Two busted coverage by Baltimore but you take out that and a lot of the other and all the other production was was on him and you know on the scheme and so if they're going to keep doing that and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't scheme up that production for him now maybe they need to face a certain style of Defense to do it to this extent like they did against Baltimore but you know if they're going to do that for him he's going to be a big asset down the stretch and fantasy and I I kind of disappointed because I didn't offer for Cooper cup I was I was bouncing back and forth two three weeks ago and I was just like I'll turn it down but now I kind of wish he was on my team for the fantasy playoffs all right one more guy Amari Cooper another one who just cannot score touchdowns but in eight games eight healthy games that he's played Without Dorian Thompson Robinson he has uh let's see 89 or more yards in five of those eight games 77 or more yards in six of those eight games so whenever he's playing with flacko or Watson or even PJ Walker for the most part Amari Cooper's been a guy that you want to start I don't know that we're talking League winner for him but we're definitely talking schedule is brutal I wanted to include Amari but he's got Chicago who you mentioned has been much much better and then Houston who really takes away like perimeter receivers and then the Jets that's really that's good point it's a good point all right let's take a break when we come back uh we got a few more questions about wide receivers and we'll talk quarterbacks after this on fantasy football today will you need your sports news anywhere we've got breaking news to bring you then get your sports anytime you want them big trade news overnight to discuss because we know you need Sports all the time a lot of movement in the rankings this week a legend adds to their legacy we're bringing you that breaking news right here on HQ CBS Sports HQ anywhere anytime all the time this question is from the dynasty Degan are we benching Keenan Allen this coming week against the Raiders on Thursday night that's surely Dynasty Are we benching Keenan Allen? deun right he how did he what did Adam say toan d e g n oh is it an a was it an a was there definitely an A in there or was there no no I'm looking at the thing I don't know the difference between an e an a yeah it's a freak A definitely thank you now I may have written it wrong see if he WR wrote that wrong written it wrong I think he read that as Degan in his mind even though it was Ian and then wrote wrote it wrong on the notes on the show notes I'll go ahead and look are you you D is Adam yeah I think I have a pretty good idea I think it's I think at two of them two of them every Monday yeah um oh shoot you were right it's de it's de well I read it right from my notes but I wrote wrot it wrong all right anyway um look I'll start Keenan Allen and I think he's going to still be heavy Target flow but I don't see ceiling for him anymore with East stick in the offense the vertical stuff's gone the Red Zone stuff's going to be far and few in between they're not going to have too many trips down there I don't think to the Red Zone even against you know the Raiders this game probably gonna be I I I actually should Rush after the show to bet the under for this Raiders uh Chargers game before it drops even lower but um I'm sure based on the Raiders scoring three being in a three-point total game it's probably already too low but yeah maybe as a flex but you're such a Degan such a Degan maybe as a flex such a Degan rushing right to the to the sports betting apps but you know maybe as a flex but I don't have much faith in any kind of ceiling for Keon Allen definitely PPR I'd be more willing to to playing I do like the matchup it's super soft the Raiders employ a lot of the umbrella you know just like yep real hands off let you beat us with you know short passing and we've seen rishy rice a lot of you know guys who play similar type of role to Keenan Allen onor St Brown um even Kendrick Bourne back when he was like feeling that kind of a role have really productive games against his defense um so like from that side of things if stick isn't a total disaster and could just make layup throws and I think we could see a lot of production for Keenan here even in a gross game you know might told me there because of the Patrick Graham defense for the Raiders it is just so hands-off Zone but yeah go ahead Adam well the Raiders actually give up the second fewest catches of 20 more yards in the NFL they don't give up big plays right but there was a rece that's a lot like Keenan Allen that had a really bad game against them and it was Keenan Allen and he had three catches for 32 yards and a touchdown he did have that touchdown on only five targets they've held uh Diggs Keenan Allen DJ Moore with bent and Jaylen wadle in check this year they're they're not bad it's not an easy matchup even though you think about it you think the Raiders they're terrible it's actually not they don't give up big big plays but it could be a good match up for a guy like Kanan Allen all right next topic is uh from bread and butter and I had some some of that this morning fact I had a lot of bread and butter I had different types of bread with butter why it's grossery day and didn't have a lot so I had a bagel with butter okay well no first I had a bagel with cream cheese are you the type of guy who has like the store bought Bagels I hope not oh good God you have a good a good bagel place that you go to I'm a bagel Degan for sure okay good good good good bagel with butter what else no first I had a bagel with cream cheese and then I ate my son's bagel with butter and then I ate my daughter's bagel with butter and then I had Hala with butter um yeah that's so good so had to get that in there but that's way too much bread for one day I'm not done baby I got I got more left in Me Maybe I have some pasta tonight all anyway how do you stay 138 pounds when you eat like that I'm sick Amon-Ra St. Brown, DeVonta Smith, Ja'Marr Chase outlook all the time yeah I guess that plays a factor in it yeah sure are Devonte Smith Jamar Chase and amanra St Brown still solid wide receiver one or twos that was so disappointing by the way before you get into this question I I threw that out there for hoping you would I would get the atamer no I'm 154 I am not 154 if I were 154 that would be no I'm 148 or whatever you claimed I'm about 148 yeah yeah which is too high for me I should be over like 145 oh my God yeah no it's bad I gotta get I gotta I gotta exercise kind of guy who thinks he's gonna beat me in any kind of athletic event this summer sitting at 57 or eight 148 I mean I'm not 5 seven no you're actually tall as I as I as I admitted you were taller than I expected you to be you like I'm Devonte Smith I'm fast I'm small and fast okay speaking of him are Devonte Smith Jamar Chase and St Brown still solid wide receiver one or two one slash two and who is more consistent David Montgomery or jir Gibbs so a two-part question here uh Jacob answer the wide receiver question Devonte Jamar Chase and am manra St Brown so yeah I what we've seen from them lately is you know frustrating like we already talked about Jake Browning like he's not pushing the ball down the field and so we've seen the targets get distributed like really evenly like Tanner Hudson and people like backs are getting a ton of targets and that's hurt jar Chas it's really hurt T Higgins um next up is Minnesota that's not a good match up but after that is Pittsburg although honestly Joy Porter Jr and them those guys have been playing a lot better and then the Chiefs I I don't really like any of those matchups for Chase I don't know if you really can trust him I think he's probably going to rank outside the top 12 for me in each of those weeks honestly right outside the top 12 but not outside the top 20 or anything like that he's still I think yeah you have to rank him inside the top 20 but it wouldn't be any surprise if he finishes outside the top 20 like each week um do you guys have any takes on a monar St Brown I don't really know what's going on there okay big take on amand St Brown I have zero concerns about amand St Brown and if I'm wrong I am willing to be wrong about it but I am not even going to think twice about amand R st Brown I mean it's just timing right I he's had his two worst games of the season this one was particularly bad Jared G is just not playing very well right now but I think the guys mentioned he'll be indoors going forward he gets Denver at home I mean Denver's tough at Minnesota and at Dallas it's not an easy schedule but I just think I just think am mon St Brown has put himself in that class where I I'm more I I mean it's the same as Stefon Diggs there's really no difference to be except it's only two bad games in a row for for St Brown and one of them wasn't even that bad so to me I just look there could be a lot to say here about St Brown I think he had some drops in this game that were a little uncharacteristic I don't care I wouldn't even think twice about it and if I'm wrong I will die on that Hill amand St Brown for life I'm amand St Brown Degan right here Degan I'm with you on Aman rosin Brown that's the one I'm least concerned with I'm also not concerned with Devonte Smith I think we saw it last night the Dallas got turn didn't impact him that much he should have had that touchdown i' have mentioned um I feel like he's also been used a lot underneath when they use uh you know when when teams are are using bracket Lions Backfield coverage or umbrella coverage over AJ Brown which helps a lot the one I'm concerned with is Jamar Chase though I'll be honest I I've been concerned since the start I know one Browning game was amazing but it kind of required like a really phenomenal individual play by Jamar Chase on a pretty underthrown ball and I also don't necessarily think you're going to see that many more looks that chase had on that play against Jackson bille or it's one-on-one when those safety help over the top that's just not something teams do a lot against Jamar Chase maybe they thought they could because Browning was in the game at the time then they learned they couldn't and they won't do it again based on that tape so Chase is the one that concerns me the most of this three think so too yeah I like the matchs for Devonte too outside of Seattle I like the next two a lot yeah it's just gonna take one game where Dallas Godard has 10 targets and Smith again yep but these guys starts uh and then Montgomery or Gibbs who's more consistent that's tough I'd have to say Montgomery is more consistent it feels like Montgomery has been more consistent but like his snap rates when they get down are really concerning man two of the past three games he's been below 40% and one of them it was like 28% snap rate or something just like insane to me that it could even get that low um but yeah I mean from a production standpoint he has been more consistent it's tough I think they they're kind of guys that you pretty much have to start in most leagues and you should start them against Denver and we'll go from there uh next question is from Sam Moore most top eight quarterbacks in ADP have been busts is it time to go back to waiting until Do we wait on QBs? round 12 for quarterbacks this is the beauty of fantasy football there are some things that you can hold true you know some things are not dependent on the trends that happen in the NFL so we've always talked about oh you're the running back you're the Zero running back why receiv a lot of Trends change those things but one thing that's always going to be true is that if you play in a 10 or 12 Team league that's only starts one quarterback 24 to 20 to 24 of the or whatever it is 20 to 24 of those quarterbacks will not be started every week some will be on benches some will be on the waiver wire and that in itself gives value to the original strategy coined by JJ zachar of late round quarterback you wait for quarterback you take him in the late rounds maybe you double up and you take upside and two swing on two but you wait and you want to make sure that 10 or you know 90% or 95% of the teams in your league take a quarterback before you take one then you can really wait even longer and there was value to that for a while and then over the past two years research showed that that was not the case because the top tier had really separated themselves and now we're seeing a fallback now the question is how much of that is due to unforeseen circumstances that won't really repeat themselves AKA variance AKA injury luck now that I can't really um determine but I'll say this like you look at some of the outlooks of some of these players Patrick Mahomes like where the Chief's going to find the receivers he needs in one off season without any free AG without any salary cap space to to really help that I mean you're gonna have to see a big evolution from Sky Moore and Rashid rice in my opinion they're two big Investments I don't know if anyone sees that coming from Sky Moore maybe Rashid rice I guess um Travis Kel is getting older there too so that can help so you're looking at some of these guys Joe burrow coming off the injury I don't know Justin Herbert now coming off the injury and again no explosive Playmakers in that offense really and an older Keenan Allen starting to think like I don't know if there's these top end guys that we want to invest in anymore because of the injuries the quarterback position have been piling up again maybe this the recency bias though with so many injuries this SE quarterback I'm curious to hear what you guys think about all that I I do think we are maybe giving it to recency bias here a little bit there were a few guys who stood out as I thought bad picks I think we we pushed quarterbacks up the board a lot because of last year and that makes sense when it comes to like Jaylen Herz and Josh Allen and I guess Mahomes but I I didn't love Mahomes where he was going and then also like Joe burrow this I don't think is just like a response to what happened I thought that was a terrible pick like I I didn't see the upside for that for me if I'm going you know like I think if I'm going if I'm going early at quarterback I want it's I needed differ maker right yeah I'm so like for me I was going after people like Justin Fields Lamar Jackson and like it's been kind of a frustrating year for those guys but I do think that's somewhat variance the touchdown rate for Lamar Jackson is much lower than normal and we've seen so many of those short yardage touchdowns go to Gus Edwards I think it could have easily been a much better year for him um and Fields has been phenomenal since he's come back his last like six games he's been like one of the best fantasy quarterbacks um so yeah I don't know I I think I'm still willing to take a chance early on a quarterback if there is upside for like a truly difference making season um but I do think we're kind of running out of those types of guys yeah it kind of seemed like with uh with with Brady falling off with Rogers falling off last year um it kind of seemed like the quarterback play was just a lot worse and it made sense to get an elite quarterback this year or at least one that you'd feel comfortable starting every week so I bought into it big time and the two quarterbacks that I had on most teams were burrow and Lawrence so I feel like I drafted pretty well except for quarterback and I got killed killed by those guys and yeah you know burrow obviously I think bur would have had a perfectly fine year I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have but he got hurt you know had the calf injury and just was not healthy and then when he finally got healthy he got hurt again Lawrence you know big disappointment finally coming around probably too little too late for most of those guys Joe burrow his 17 game Pace last year with Chase and Higgins both healthy and not leaving the game early because remember T Higgins kept doing that played three games where he barely played when he had both of them on the field he was on Pace for 4,945 yards 42 touchdowns and six interceptions and another 223 rushing yards with four more touchdowns but that was almost like a ceiling type season from from a fantasy standpoint was not almost QB W ceiling I know but the rest of his career hasn't been at that at that rate or anywhere CL well it was pretty from a fantasy standpoint I mean just from a Fantasy Point standpoint 2022 he was number four per game oh no no sorry that was that was last year right last year yeah I I 21 he was number nine per game was but uh but he got real hot late so I just thought you know and I forgot when when Jamar Chase got hurt says that was last year anyway say anyway I I I think you know perie and Prescott and cousins when he was healthy Anthony Richardson even was looking like he was gonna be those guys were ranked outside the top 12 for the most part not yeah that was my point is not necessarily that you can't run into that kind of upside without rushing it's that it's not that predictable and like take it requires an outlier and so you don't want to invest super high in it yeah um it requires a totally like MVP Aller kind of season for a only passing stats quarterback to get that kind of upside and I'm looking at my tiers now and I I did have the that I had Allen um sorry Allan momes and Herz is just a tier of their own and for the most part that's worked out besides Mahomes and I don't know if anyone could have really seen Mahomes coming because he was good last year without receivers so it's kind of depended in my opinion on Kelsey not looking that healthy to me and that's kind of in affected their whole season in my opinion maybe it's age Factor there too who knows so maybe you could have on that coming but like it's NE it's really that second tier that I think you should be weary of when when we push up the guys into that you know ranked four five six seven eight QB range do you want to invest that early pick there or that big investment in an auction League or do you want to maybe try to not do that and then you may you have to make such a smaller investment in the guys like perie and Dak and those guys it's just such a drop off in the investment that you have to that has to be made because we pushed up those guys like Jacob said like burrow and you know whoever to round four round five you know round six where you could be getting these receivers or running backs I have no problem with it you know and I think for all the talk about Dak and Pie py wasn't even really in this discussion he was probably QB 20 or so in 8p right I mean what if you drafted Gino Smith and Daniel Jones and there's always right there's a lot of a lot of bad picks in there too um I think burrow you know burrow to me was all about the injury Jackson's been so weird I mean he's just so weird he 17 points against the Chargers one week and then comes back with like 37 points yesterday yeah so he's so hit or miss on a weekly basis Herbert for a while was the number two or three quarterback in fantasy but he lost Mike Williams and then he lost Josh Palmer I just think both of those had a huge impact on him um so I don't know that those were bad picks necessarily and then Fields has been fine you know you said he's been great since he came back or whatever but uh he's been kind of up and down he started off the season looking like almost people were asking they could drop Justin Fields yeah so um yeah I don't I I'm I'm not going to shy away from grabbing a great quarterback next year if the chips fall that way I'm not gonna shy away from drapping the top guys I'm probably gonna shy away from tier two yeah all right that's it for today's show nice and I wonder like who do you think the top six quarterbacks will be or top eight next year I was gonna say it's gonna be all Anthony Richardson for me I assume he'll be in that tier two that Dan mentioned um but unless he like gets pushed up into the like top five I think I'm just going to be way way overweight Richardson wow yeah know I think he's gonna be very popular I worry about the injuries but other than that I like him a lot absolutely you gota be worried about the injuries you gotta be worried about him changing his style of play yeah all those things I just I love the offense I love Shan Sten I think it I mean the injury concern is is real um but yeah if we're just talking about upside Jan S deserves to be in the mixer coach of the year in my opinion given what he's done I wonder where p is gonna go think he'll be a top eight guy he should be High all he's done is produce for Fantasy yeah he should be really high but all the stat people are going to look at at this season and say it's the most unsustainable season in in like NFL history and they're probably right you know I mean he's basically and we'll go into next year and he'll be just as good because he still has all those weapons back I've never SE Depo Samuel was the most amazing player he's so good when healthy right he's incredible I was so high on him ranks wise this year and it looked bad for a while now he could be the guy that like carries me through to these playoff runs potentially if he doesn't get hurt okay I think that's it well someone's bringing up my uh my Anthony Richardson take yeah I was what want me to say I was wrong well it's not as bad as his most recent take which is the Detroit Lions would be one of the four teams if I did an NFL playoff today that one got destroyed Sunday and I couldn't wait to bring that I was gonna say for I never felt that the lions were actually the fourth best team but the whole point was to eliminate B and go that's not the whole point who there instead the Chiefs the Chiefs the team that they beat was a bad call but I'll right exactly all the Chiefs people look like idiots right now the the the Lions beat the Chiefs and had a better record that it still stands by the way they still have a one game better record than the Chiefs and a win in Arrowhead the Dolphins the Dolphins haven't beaten anyone can't believe you're standing by this take there's four teams in NFL playoff you still want to put the lions in there no no the Cowboys have earned it now all right Cowboys have earned it the Cowboys hadn't beenen a good team all year until this year unless you count Seattle they're fine but this was finally the cowboy signature moment so now it's very easy very easy it's the Dolphins are out it's the uh Ravens in some order it's the Niners the Ravens the Cowboys and the Eagles yes I'm fair with that I'm fine with that I thought the more interesting comment was Adam will put Dan on a poster which I assume means like dunk on him which is just so funny putting that visual in my head yeah I mean I have in my basement I have a little trampoline and a little tyes basketball hoop so with those few things I might be able to posterize you I I'm just at this point concerned if this game's even gonna happen Adam AER has been literally sick for two straight months now we're going on like eight weeks of this guy has C it's true I don't I can't say anything we asked him before the show if he was gonna do anything about it the answer is no he's just grinding through it Miami is better than Baltimore says Clon we'll see they'll get to prove it in a few see I think I think Miami's been outclass when they faced the Eagles the Chiefs and the bills so far so I just can't quite get there with the dolphins all right we're out of here everybody thanks uh thanks for watching and we'll talk to you tomorrow with the waiver wire