Town of Troy Planning Board August 7, 2024

I'm going to call the order at 703 go over two sets of draft minutes we have starting with Wednesday July 17th did we do a sign and Sheet mhm there are uh three extra copies of tonight's packet if anyone uh would like to yourself uh yes I'm just going to leave for you because it was a question the other day as to what it would look like from Big the West Hill so I helped you out there for for Kyle is it okay if we just bring up questions as we run into them yeah I think that be these are kind of long so um okay well I have the first question um and I think uh may need maybe for may need help from Zach too but lines 29 and 30 it says Mr Harris asks if there would be changes to the power lines on manat street and or Dort Street Mr Parks responded that you did not think so I think I should read that street isn't it the other way around though where okay could you Street already has three because of the yeah big old Hill would have to be upgrad I think the question was mad is only oh okay does have three phas on it it runs all the way to the center of town and then that's the same Feer that goes up so full answer would be it's existing three phase don't expect it to be upgraded it's you not my call not my scope okay so Bigalow is where the that clip would come into play with the three phase but Dort Street could just be what's there today that's my all right so sorry I I that was my misunderstanding the minutes are correct fact that seems like the e for e for 125 124 125 I think it said the territory could receive a 10% discount just it implies that's a will we could if we purchased credit so that will should be for 1403 140 should it be say woy respond to collect information pilot for the record share with everyone and it says the plan board will be making the decision on the project should it be for when the plan board makes a decision make decision I I think U Mr Ry was just clarifying that he wasn't going to be deciding anything was the planning board clear that's what he saying period the planning board will be making the decision the proper just yeah I mean that's I can clarify but that's what Mr wooly was saying and that whole phrase of what Mr woy is is that's him they just should say for when the plan board will be made that way kind of makes you see what the information is for that decision good uh good evening caller I hope you can hear us um you joined the Troy planning board meeting and and our first order business is reviewing the minutes of August 7th and uh if you if you could uh uh introduce yourself please for for minutes for [Music] ni for [Music] star star so I could be wrong you would expect utility upgrades to included March of 2025 2026 2025 then you start this year is 2024 so I would said six6 we would start our construction before the before it but not so far before it where we finish prior to their we want to finish a couple months before they do okay want make sure have the dates right it's similar to the comment on the power lines it's my estimate for e [Music] good evening again uh caller uh this is again this is the planning board meeting and I muted you due to some static we hearing but if you need to unmute uh use star 6 on your phone star six to leave on hi were you unmuting yourself to introduce yourself Curtis say dick should be covering for us I just assume late kle I'm fine with the minutes I'm done there's the change to one word so I motion to amend and approve your minutes changing line 125 uh to could receive and changing line 140 to for when the planning board makes the decision of that any discussion all those in favor I ABS passes Friday August 2nd Salk unit thank you notes I I have to say there were some times where I couldn't hear every you know all the conversations uh so if there are things that feel are missing we encourage you to speak up I may just may not have heard it clearly at all for for there was one thing in the I har was the person person in the previous minutes the minutes the walk through it mentions Mr Harris that wasn't his name Russell I think I was Russell that was his daughter's married name I don't remember what his his name was he just said he was Becky Russell's dad and I just put Russell my head okay I don't think really matters yes to thank represent these are the site you're talking about yeah when I mentioned someone on this H had mentioned and I I got the name wrong was Becky Russell's dad and I just put in my head that's mared name and I did the cards the other day saw I can't remember what it was um it's on the last page in the paragraph at the top of the page says yeah it says Bill Russell so Russell's not his last name he was once a select that Liv up on West and Becky his daughter so I just put that in my head last name last name last name there's no I mean so it should read Becky Russell no just just want you just to out the name and just say OCC so spoke with a Troy resident of w Ro yeah there you go get his name out not all right put remember but page four second paragraph up from the bottom Miss s sh information the that PS and wheel RS but she not seen the road over to should say overflow that uh yeah never seen the water come over the road yeah seen the stream over top the road I guess is pretty close but not there well that's yeah that's what I would I meant to yeah I think over top is more appropriate um for yeah I didn't think for so I'll move to approve the minutes uh with two amendments um removing the name Bill Russell from the third line on page five replacing it with the resident West Road replacing the phrase the road over Tops on thank you to say the stream over top the road that any discussion all those in favor iions Iain order new business Town file consultant is she here yes she is we have her present herself then she can leave or stay hi so I'm Amanda Norcross um I've been working with the select board and just going through the files throughout the um the office in the building you mind I said um so I just had a couple of um basic questions um about your files um I was curious if you have any like filing systems in place currently um I know you have a bunch of file cabinets and I was curious if you um had any feelings on how many file cabins needed for looking to get your more world so we don't really have a system other than the violent cabinets themselves sure as the answer of how many violent cabinets we need M kind a question you might be more well equipped to answer that at the moment I think I think we would take a recommendation from you based on what you find okay and what you feel we need to grow so let's say you have 15 years and used five pins you assume that one p do years type thing yeah I think we' Look to You to recommend something to us okay that works I just wanted to see if you had any opinions on it it could be you know some years of you don't have much and then this year we have three very big site plan now so yeah I definitely noticed that so I mean it's hard to answer that question but I think we would look to you for a recommendation okay that sounds good um and just just a just a minute Elizabeth don't be shy I know you've been working with our files on a more routine basis than members have so yeah and I you already talk with her work with her often so this is more of a yeah just wanted to extra yeah extra um there I noticed there are a lot of um like SL plans and studies and stuff are those things obviously but like are those things that could be put online to help shrink your physical needs at all I think we're required to keep a paper sure we time I'm not sure how long we have to we are I think there's minutes that's right the site plans if you you don't file them any longer in the registry so those need to be Capt here with the application forever basically but sir some of the studies that would beud call some of those things could probably know they're no longer supporting documents to the site PL could be electronic yes yes the themselves have to be kept yes okay that makes that makesense um and I noticed you have a forum store over there so you can just like grab forums at will um is that something you think you want or is that something you um I feel like a lot of those could probably also be put on online so you could access them remotely and so in the public I don't know if that's something you'd be open to I think most of them are online yeah a lot of them are yeah I know the site plan review and the checklist everything is online there um and the issue is they're just they're not like digital forms so any a lot of people who need to complete them do I think come in for a hard copy usually I print off just print off yeah so I mean as far as I'm concerned we defer to you was a fun there are ways to make the forms typable too so that people can fill it out and then submit it to you if that's something that would work um I don't know if that's anything you'd even be interested in um is that part of your like something you're doing for the town right now I do know how to do it I need to feel out um if that's something they want me to do I would say we're interested potentially sure like the process okay makes it easier on do you have any like any things that stand out to you that you can think of that would help you streamline the process I know I'm putting everyone on the a PDF you know fillable form for like our most commonly used applications are subdivisions thought line adjustments site plan review um but we have some other forms they're not long they're like to three pages yeah that's what I I guess I'm looking to doing them all do one doing them all every on the same page not in a couple years we should have this one yep think it' be All or Nothing sure yep I otherwise every couple years hey we need one more done for sure I can totally appreciate that um and then as for the files I've been going through the planning board files and using because your files are often times really complete and so I have been using them to complete the select board files for things they're missing um if the select board wants me to go through and like tidy up your files as well as that something you want me to do just like consolidate down clear labeling I'm not throwing anything away um the only things I will say I have thrown away is in the planning or not the planning this s files there's often times like seven copies of the exact same be so I'll just toss one or two I don't think we have an issue if you going through the files sure um condensing organizm that help Abby out that help us out okay should I primarily consult with eie on that sort of stuff I think so if there's any questions that she has or you have on certain files set them aside and we can review them at our next meeting and say hey guys keep these file these these aren't needed super so you don't you don't have to make the decision you keep it or not yeah absolutely have a question something save it for happy to bring here we can look it over and advise check okay that sounds good um and we sort of briefly discussed um retention periods I've been going over a bunch of those I know each and every uh record has its own so um I think that's probably really most of it I just wanted to make sure um everything was going smooth and um see if you had any ideas um I um as for the file cabinets I was thinking and this is just me throwing out my initial thoughts is probably four cabinets with map storage so um like that if we can get that cuz there's I think there's some upstairs we might be able to get downstairs maybe so um that's everything I guess I don't want to take up too much every your time yeah I mean I like the map storage one it would be nice already have folded out e to flip through them yeah 100 sometimes when you go check F she well knows trying to find a site plan they Fold It Up M you sit there and you unfold oh yeah f it back up the next one and then you get it wrong by just one little fold yeah I've been going through that quite a bit so would definitely be good again I think we look to you for recommendations since you've kind of sorted what you think we need that sounds great I like that plan and um I will touch Bas either through eie or awesome I appreciate it thank you all for your time thank you so did we didn't not get anything back on our like to go to I would like to look at the request Vari on Street think we should there was kind of loose Ties on Door Street Door Street probably seem to have the least opposition so since these are all focus on those two out of way and then we can focus unilaterally on um Kyle you might want to consider um if John has uh time commitments or maybe handling is questions and correspondence uh yeah you want to go over go over his letter because it does kind of cover Door Street too yeah yeah I mean John were you planning on staying around for like the whole meeting or were you mainly here to uh you know share the letter and no I'll hang out for a little bit okay has Zach seen the letter I don't not I don't think so I give him a copy how and read it that way if he has questions for John I just want to be sensitive to John's time um your playing sounds sounds good fine now yeah you're good I don't have to get school tomorrow so all right if you had to pick one would you prefer the shim or the bom for rather have it Shi after done cuz you have a guarantee of something being done big lill I would rather well yeah there's nothing existing there to fix so to speak they're doing upgrades anyways we got a couple CS that tend to sink over time go up always one speed Street you want to go all the way to the was treatment plant not just the entr all the way I assume before structure starts we want you to meet with them go over Road take pictures every on the same page then once they're Clos done I go through upgrade all the structures that I need to all the pipes that I need to there's any water services that need to be upgraded do that all the same time before they that would knock that off the list save us money somebody else hey Carol just to make sure we're we're not too far off base um how um well I think this is useful information you know from Highway Department um where does where do these ideas connect with playing boards process and like potential conditions or are these things that are are usually part of like a planning board conditional approval or these things that get handled directly between like the select board and the applicant or the department in the applicant if if there is compelling evidence that a project for the plane board would cause would have an impact on a Bo then yes the planning board can certainly conditions around that what needs to happen however is some kind of balance between how much of that impact is going to be due solely to the proposal you know there needs to be generally some sharing between the new use and the people who are continuing to use it and who will benefit from that so it's not uncomon that the applicant is not required to pay the entire cost of whatever improvements would be made you know unless they were the only ones who would be using it for example so that's something that um may not be resolvable immediately there we probably have to do some discussion with the select agent and also regarding the bonding particularly on on big hill because that's that one in particular is kind of beyond the pl per because CL six steps so the selector will have to decide what's going to happen with that but for Dort Street you can discuss how much improvement is really tied to the project and therefore what would be required to offset that okay um and and what about the performance or the road bond for Bigalow Hill would that be in the perview of board no that again that would that would be the select okay all right because of they they're going to be the on who decide what is going to happen to okay so we should forward this letter to the select with our recation saying that there in relation to a site do you have any questions for the road Agent P me in the letter I don't think so I think the only comment I'd have is I think with respect to Dart Street we're talking about hypothetical damage and I'm willing to sign up for to find the spec of damage and repairing that damage in a road agre or some similar right that basically says here's the current state of the road here's how we want it to look equally better at the end of the the construction period if we negatively damage the road we will repair it to spec XYZ right and then we'll also we could say spec XYZ as quoted by three road builders say it's $300,000 in order to protect my obligation I'd be willing to bond for $300,000 we do it work was done we get we disappear the bond but um that's generally how I've seen Public Road agreements um so that makes sense to me is that what we're all talking about right now yeah we're not saying I'm agreeing to upgrade a road after construction say the road is what it is there's there's a plausible potential for me impacting the road negatively and we need a spec to which to repair it to if yes the shim y because it would be a micro paave so it would just whatever damage that potentially could get done bring it back to what current state is overlay it again with Bas hotu so that's perfectly acceptable to me damage I do gets repaired we have a general number by which we think that repair would cost if I ghosted everyone and will bond that amount that's in my opinion very reasonable condition for the door streets um I think we have a little bit of Carol and I would have to work on the wording a little bit because not only is there potentially a portion for the town that I don't think I'm too worried about it's more two projects two approvals we might want to say the first you know there's some sharing where 60% of it by project company this one that one whatever I think we can figure that out based on some ma um so that makes perfect sense to me on Four Street as an existing class five or better Road um bigo is still a little bit ambiguous to me how we're going to proceed I think if if I explain how I see it today is we're going to upgrade bigo Hill Road up to we're just pass the proposed site entrance to a certain spec that we haven't yet determined that meets class five or better whether that road will become class five or not it still seems like an open question for the board for the select board and for the town generally obviously if it becomes class 5 there's responsibility for the town to maintain if I upgrade to a class 5 spec but it doesn't become a class 5 Road it's still up to eat and maintain so I don't particularly care one way or another but I think it's just important that we Define the spec and we define whether we're formally going up to we're keeping it at class 6 but an improved class 6 to class 5 standards if you guys follow on that so I just need that direction and then similar to the Dort Street East and West potential damage quote this is different once we have a spec we have a cost we bond that cost I think you know those concepts are perfectly fine obviously there's less of a chance of me walking away from improving the road because I've got to improve to get out there but I'm perly happy to B we Bond we Bond things all the time we're bonding the decommissioning 20 years from now so we're perfectly happy to bond any road Improvement or repair um we don't have any significant plantings but you can imagine a scenario where we're right up against somebody's home we do extensive screening often we Bond Landscaping not case so very standard me as a highway department I would like to see that part of upgr to class five and then maybe not this year take it over the town adop it but maybe two years or three years down the road yeah I I just i' want to chat with my attorney about one way or the other but my instinct is it wouldn't matter to me one way or another whether it was or wasn't but I don't know the benefits if there's benefits to the town for having more road then great if there's not then great right Layman since was you don't want to PVE it but if there's other benefits to having more foot that's one thing upgrading to a class five even if it doesn't get adopted it still need to be paved for the existing P where it but it would help the highway department out with block grant money because it would be that extra however many feet you know go for miles y that would help us out to fix everything else in town keep on yeah okay that's feels F John could you clarify did you say if it's upgraded to a five it has to be paved it does so where the existing pavement ends and it turns to class six if you upgrade that you have to continue that pement the end of where the up is and then back gra so sounds like our specification will be any upgrades will be that something you and I need to meet on and talk about it's more the other channl that was with me the civil engineer record I it's a little out of my perview to talk about road base grading excavate whatever so you guys would theoretically communicate on what's the road spec that you want um it sounds like it's just match what's theirs now and match continue so we would just Define that add that as a detail to the plan and I think that'll be that in terms of when the road became class five we just have to talk about that right um I think making the permit condition on the road becoming class 5 gets complicated because of kind of order of operations um but I think my attorneys will help us with the the steps that that takes and if the board of Select can we don't have talk about I just want to understand the different steps in the process behind making class so upgrading that road there's a Old Stone cob they upgrade class 5 have to upgrade that c air UPG Road brought up we in it it had already collapsed inside right understand it's already failed Che but you can partially preserve that also you know you can take the top off it set a plastic C in it and then reop it with that old material fill in that box with stone and gravel that way the top portion slide so you can keep that historical look that right you can cut that plastic like short so it fits in that box over so you won't see it when you're driving over it's got to be at least 17t but the count away [Music] is's four rods or something like that technically it's a three rodad okay there's a lot of stuff to keep track of of course with us but with the road classification um it seems like we're there's some consensus maybe from or there's some interest in it being upgraded to classified specs does would that be yeah again is that like a planning board condition thing or outside of plan Bo I think the spec of the road what we're bringing it up to this planning board whether or notes class five child adopted becomes a select question exactly so we can specify paved repair Stone cobra with a new plastic liner we can do those requirements and then I I think that that you can't make that decision I think whatever happens to bigo Hill has to be the selected decision and that includes this B because they will they could decide for example that it just have to be it has to be improved enough to get this equipment over it and maybe not even they could decide that it didn't need to be paid we don't know that that's entirely up to them all of a sudden yeah what they decide to do about that once they decide on specs and that of course will will uh determine what the any bonding would be okay so we're kind of parallel process yeah we would we should it sounds like right to the we are we could write to the board selectman to say these issues were brought before us you know we think such and such working out between the three of you I think you guys should have some kind of input and say on it sounds like that we would be we would need to show up at one of their meetings where it's discussed instead of in the site plan review process am I allow to ask a question uh yes you can ask a question so I thought it was my understanding in order for him to build up there the road needed to be upgraded to class five we went through this two meetings ago and you finally found it in the statutes and he said yes he needs to be upgraded to class 5 in order for him to build there like anybody else who's going to build has to be on class I can't build up there I can't build up there I can't drive onto that piece of prop put a house you can't put a house so why should you put a 35 acre solar field well it's on the same piece of property where I couldn't put a house it's in the B what's in the B that it has to be talking about talking about the specifications we specified by the the are you talking about the solar bylaws no I'm talking about the building okay the to you can't build onass six roow anything that includes a 35 AC silver array well I may have given a misimpression a classied road could it does not have to be paid by do standards or by any law so I me when I said that it could be gravel classi Ro can certainly be gravel but it has to be class Yes Yes classi means that it's maintained by the town but it does not have to be paid that again so again that comes back to the select we determine that that's what needs to be done yes the specifications on that have to selectable yes that wasn't my question question it has to be class five whether it's cave or gravel doesn't matter it has to be class 5 standard correct thank you just to clarify standards or actually a classified Troy town that would be up to I'm hearing two different things well they're just clarify me wrong you're going to build to class five stand probably you going to have to anyway to get some that equipment over it but whether we adopt it is whether it becomes a class 5 Ro for Troy I was thinking I thought I heard Miss sanman said that we had answered before that it had to be a classified Road not just standards but actually go that can happen by that's a legislative action it's not a construction action the select could decide for example as John had pointed out before correctly that the town can start to maintain that road right now and after 5 years of Maintenance it becomes classified Road or they can take it to say we want this to be classied Ro it could stay in that same condition they can say it's classied Ro but when there's a project it's unlikely that the select would would say that they say okay we want you to upgrade it to the standard which you know is going to mean material and depth and width and Cs and all that everything except whether or not it gets paid that's a question they and and if if it's brought up to a standard of class five but they don't get it approved as a detroy classified Road he he can still build yes yes if the select approved that then yes the original I know it's confusing the original waiver was more about the standard if you recall if you recall I wasn't sure what standard or spec the road was to be upgraded to I know what my minimum standard is to get vehicles up and out but I I just didn't want to be presumptive about we're going to PVE it because some people might don't want to pay but we're going to Grabel it right so that's that was the initial waiver was to leave the I think we just need to the select board for have them give us a recation where we're at that point or we can give them a so I think we should forward this letter from John some of our recommendations and that's what their inut to do they think they meet next when do they meet next I think backwards they're going to looking for our inut it's their decision give them our recomendations send our for their this th next next we get a couple days not tomorrow yeah cuz it like some months it doesn't really quite line up they had the first Thursday already didn't they and how can how can I be helpful here should I my team coordinate with John to come up with a spec to provide you guys so that or are you guys just going to talk internally and say this is the spe we're going to rec my personal opinion is if we can make a recommendation how we like to see it it's ultimately the select boards and we'll just have some input in there I guess I more me like how say this right way the spec you guys can you guys feel you can draft the spec that you're going to recommend without my help which is perfectly I don't know how specific we need to be other we would like you know make it simple as the best condition possible why don't if he's willing the work with John and John's will why we get the spec from John that we have something we know the town going take care of it it's agreeable to then you take that agree with it then give it as a recommendation to the S that's the only reason I brought it I don't want to get circular where you guys say build a good road and then and then select where approves a great Road and then we get stuck on whether it's good or great to have one inch minus or three right so I think we can put together an engineering quotable buildable spec that's a paragraph or a picture and everyone knows exactly what we're talking about and then that'll work its way back that would need just to avoid that can I ask that question this is ECT that's in the subdivision regulations it's been here for years it's the minimum D standards I've tried to see if theyve upgraded them at all and I can't find anything that shows that they changed that so you know it looks like the 0 to 50 would be the one that would apply here but you know trips per day because obviously it's not a house so you're not going to be having you know 10 trips a day does that look reasonable way out of no I'm sure it's great I'm just a English major and a former former minor league baseball player so that's why we'll get the right get the right people I can pull it out that's what I mean it's just to have a paper spec that is wanted by the town and the real agent that the board select can action approve or deny or reject Carol I don't I think we shouldn't be hard and fast on this like for example it talks about gravel surface instead of asphalt yeah yes absolutely but I think um John said when you're extending you're an existing PVE Road you would be expect to Beav assume John has more up toate do standards to would it be possible to have him take a trip down here again we walk it and talk about it question yes um so I learned on Friday that he's going to be clear cutting the all the trees down on the left hand side of plan we discuss the of selective sorry you might we just stand this one one come right back to it what what was the date of the next select meeting week from Thursday August 15 8:5 they're early what are they 5 what time they start usually 5:00 um just that when I talk to about it we we can ask for Selective cut on that side so did you folks actually end up walking the piece of property or no inside of the property yes when I left you were just debating and I don't know whether you did or not not so you did discuss whether or not he can leave selective trees like the one that's really little big or some of the birch trees well the Big Trees my guess would be they needed go just so if he were to remove all the trees would it be possible to replace it with some Shrubbery uh something that's low that would not be so he did mention that so you wouldn't have to see that fence I believe the height of growth you have to be under 15 ft so anything under 15 ft that's I think I had I had proposed what we call Selective clear along what would be theth east west side of dor Street excuse me Vio on the way up alongside the project and that's 75t buffer approximately and you know the trees that are most valuable I imagine to you were the bigger ones so those are the ones that need to come down because the clearing is for shading in this case would be morning Shad morning stump and so we're not going to stump and if we did a selective clear we would leave all the existing undergrowth it would get somewhat damaged during the operation but it would regenerate very very quickly I think we've all kind of seen these photos right with d streets and whatnot very AGG CLE and it was hard to walk through there on Saturday so I think the long way of saying I don't think we need to propose any planings because I think it's going to regenerate very very quickly okay so you're not going to clear out you're going to do something selective is what you're saying the plan right now is to clearcut everything and leave only the stumps that I'm willing to work with you and the board to come up with a selective clearing plan along that buffer to try to soften the impact appreciate that my original thought was that it would regenerate within 3 or four years but if we can do a selective clear we can cut down that time very very so I'm willing to add some selective clear along it's very like it's very very fast but it it'll be f minimize the amount of that's why L quality to the tank the lumber quality so if you look at like back in 1900s the early 1900s you look at a piece of lumber and you see the grow RS are really tight right you look at the lumber now they're very far apart that's because of clear so when you clear cut and cut you're you're not letting those saplings fight so right when you eliminate that they grow up they're going to shoot right up and that growth BR just going to go like this instead of we fighting it's just it's slowly so selective cut and clear cutting they leave us something like he said yeah that stuff will come back in 3 or four years and then they just come in every couple of years main that 15 level keep it looking nice add that to can your excavators be careful of the C holes did you see them when they you're up there quite significant yep that's what we were calling the foundations on site yes the foundations on the S curve yeah I don't believe we're going to be we we intentionally avoided them with our our design so it's outside of our devop area I don't know if you go to the transfer station or not know the around the outside of the fence we have an escavator in there right now muling all that down been 24 years of grow so now that we're on this maintenance schedule once this is done this year there'll be every two years we go in cut it again keep clear path all the way around and eventually it'll just be grass j s off top but um Conservation Commission will be sending you a letter at some point just kind on your subject for that 75 they wonder if the property be open to the Conservation Commission using that 75t buffer to put either bir houses or the houses that's kind of a little conservation we try to promote what Wildlife can since you are disturbing other wild yep that's you will be seeing a letter from us we reviewing your col Mi just to make sure we off topic but just kind of correspond yeah well what basically what we did is um I brought it um we printed off the New Hampshire invaded in kettin species and then looked at which ones would benefit metal pollinator mix that he's proposing yeah and then basically thought we have a 75 buffer for 1300 ft could use as conservation land on their permission to try to promote these engage of species as long as it was lower case SE conservation land yes that's something we've done bird boxes bat boxes and whatnot and that's something oneast M we've done a lot of turtle habitat creation as well not here said you'll be seeing a letter from the Conservation Commission bring it up discuss that area he Kyle related to that um this is in the town's uh Water Resources Protection District ordinance so anywhere there's development in uh Within 75t of wetlands this applies to the Dort Street Properties it spells out the application procedure um so like for example application procedure a says all applications for a building permit subdivision or site plan should be required to locate and depict any Wetland areas you know that's been done um but uh uh B um it says if the proposed activity is is in or ABS the Water Resources production District again that's an area that's within 75 ft of wetlands or streams the application will be referred to the Conservation Commission to determine um how the wetlands will be impacted and what the did send the three files to the coner commission also looking at um so uh but this is related to what you're just talking about I'll come back to this but um uh so the C says in the event that Wetlands will be affected and actually we know they are because they they outlin those areas it says the Conservation Commission will make written recommendations to the planning board so I would say like instead of sending I think how this is meant to work is this conservation Conservation Commission would send you the letter for the Wetland issue yeah we're looking at that buffer zone which doesn't have a wetland issue y but primate Conservation Commission to put some stuff to help promote I see it's like a mitigation project or something it's like a little hey this land available can we do something with it I think it qualifies though as a written recommendation it's like we see these impacts this is what we recommend is done but I I guess what I'm saying is address it to the planning board too because it seems like it's meant to be part of our um permitting part of the town's permitting process my know I'll probably have to make a note in that letter is that that little buffer project would not be say y or the project it's just a request to use yeah so I don't want that to be used against the project as a because it's really just a where the w l any recommendation on that would be to a decision on yeah yeah so I think it have to definitely still be two letters okay I just just point that out um that's we're talking about the same thing May these two separate letters one addressing potential Upland Conservation Commission jurisdictional improvements and Wetland but I'll just wait for those letters you need that sensear not um we're going be doing all that clearing around the outside of the F area um would you be doing anything to um help control inv species taking over from the thired area I'm specifically concerned about Buckthorn uh exactly what the again doesn't want to regenerate just concern there that there a growing issue in the region where the clear area at The Bu the line is taking over allowing time other yeah they um bigo Hill Road they had our preliminary meeting with the CES two days ago and are putting together at their request a invasive species management protocol to not only cover the trying to do some good while we're in there I said get that stuff out properly but also prevent recurrence of so that's covered but also something that yeah that's covered in the state stuff but also something we should we should so any further discussion on John's letter started this I believe we the point wa from recommendation from John to us so then we can send our recommendation based off that to the S correct I thought they were going to discuss yeah we're Wai for recognition from John well it's not our decision so we would make the so know what I guess you guys put our just trying to dig up the door Street Vari Street what VAR or wer waivers yeah so one would be for coverage what the east east is coverage West would be is there an extra packet over there for dick um okay should get that that's what the AR look like from the yellow that's what I was guessing yeah it's a little bit difficult to see in this if I pull up like a digital picture and I make it a little clearer there's another Ridge in between and it's hard to tell this Ridge there's not in between that's I'll show you a picture and you can decide if there's a between or not my suggestion they mention that they who produc this I and's actually's a line between I don't know what it would be I wish is there a way with Google Earth to like put a pinpoint on property and then turn Go Go a different point look at that point so you actually see so there's no like it's here let [Music] see this array is behind that R that's what I don't know right do draw go back see what I mean can I show you the original picture so you get understanding well I mean I have a similar view but did you take it from this from their website yeah or from a some took see how there's a yeah you can see that barri is right there right and then this drops in here yeah I see that so this I don't know if it's maybe that's the start Gap I don't even know this is directly in front of their this is this is this is their berries right there this is their tree line the berries are actually forward from there this is big right here and you can see the road right here right there you wouldn't be able to see the Dort installation from West Hill um I think that's too low but on bigal Hill you certainly would and that's why Market how many ACR 35 AR so back to go over the waiver request if I remember correctly the original waiver request Hill you drop that down to 35% so that no longer applies well he made it smaller is that what you said yes so he now is evidence of that new PL will have that the door Street request two not applicant is proposing ground mounted solar Pho btic installation on the property there will be approximately 32 Acres of fenced area to solar is loc um is this that's big that is big okay so that should be page 10 this firm represents the applicant in connection with the above reference site plan application uh map 11 lot five must be D Street East um requireed a maximum cover 35% lock 10 acres or more of land the property consist of 42 acres of land closed lock coverage is 52% the applicant is proposing a ground Mountain solar system on properly there will be approximately 2184 Acres of fence area which the solar energy system is located this solar energy system is smaller from acreage within the fence stand in the similarly proposed area but shares the same name plate capacity 5 me alter current as a big Hill Road site for reasons below the gr of the requested waiv is appropriate for this part pursu to article 7 F6 Detroit Zone ordinance sorry 12 F6 Zone ordinance plan board has authority to or modify any por regulations and the following criteria satisfy one Conformity with proposed unnecessary hardship two such wa would not be contrary to the spirit and intent of regulations under law plan board is wider latitude and Grant wavers than the Zoning Board of adjustment has in Grant VAR because the unnecessary hardship standard is different for waivers under RSA 674 44 then for variances under RSA 674 33 uh one unnecessary hardship without the requested waiver the applicant would suffer a significant and unnecessary financial hardship be required to downsize the project to move for lock coverage requirement the property is a 42 acre partial of vacant land that has been harvested for ttim from time to time over the past decade the proposed solar energy system and the allowed use of this location and the site is ideally suited for a solar energy system in building a utility scale solar energy system applicant must produce a certain amount of energy in order to make the project economically viable and in order to cover certain fixed cost associated with the construction interconnection as stated Above This is a smaller Footprint Project for the proposed B Hill Road approximately 22 Acres versus approximately 32 Acres respectively the project footprint has been downsized to the fullest extent reasonably practical but still takes up more than 35% partial necessitating note that the applicant is not proposing until the scale facility on the west side of bur Street for much less of the law developable due to the conditions of the wall the similar smaller Sol Energy System then proposed Street P will not be economically feasable under these circumstances limited lot coverage of the Energy System 35% has imposed an unnecessary significant financial hardship on afcan D Street West project two spirit and intent of the regulation you have a question you stop know oh my phone just went back long the Grant and issuance of the requested waiver would not be contary to the spirit and intent of the regulations the solar energy system ordinance was Rec amended in the town of Troy prior to this ordinance there was no maximum lock coverage requirement specific to solar energy systems the representative of the applicant attended the public hearings and discussed the amendments to solar energy system ordinance with Town officials there are discussions it was clear that the spirit intent of the amendment was to ensure the solar energy systems would not be too dense for any given law here the proposed project will still have over 20 acres of space which is substantial furthermore the amendment to solar energy system ordinance allows lot coverage to gradually increase as the size of lot lots of less than 2 acres really have a lock coverage of 5% all the way up to Lot 10 plus acres being allowed 35% lock coverage other words the spirit in the orangs is larger the partial the higher percentage of lck coverage is allowed because there will be more open space in larger partials as cly stated this site is 42 Acres more than four times the size largest lot size shown on the table given the forgoing the plan and board granted of this waiver will not be contrary to the spirit and intent of regulations additionally it should be noted when looked at cumulatively total acreage of the two adjacent Lots in which D Street West and East projects are proposed is greater than 80 acres the cumulative size of the soar R proposed is approximately 28 1 12 acres this results a lot ratio approximately 35% in line with the provision set forth in Char own ordinance for the reasons set forth above the applicant respectfully requests the planning board Grant a waiver in provisions of article 12 f4b the Troy zoning ordinance applicant reserves a right to sorry present additional information in support of this application at public he believe that is West any questions on this wer for I have a question um so the waiver request talks about financial hardships um but there's no there's no detail about like the magnitude of the hardship or you know comparing once the cost of one scenario to cost of another scenario um so I guess I the question is could more information be provided to justify or yeah to support the fact that there's a financial hardship sure I mean I can provide a number of different economic kind of feasibility plans where you have project one project you know one a one B one C where one is we cover more of the parcel and in that case we could spread the rows more so row row to row right all the modules are running row to row east to west so you can imagine the farther the rows are apart when the sun is low there's no what we call inter R sh shading condense things as small as close as we possibly can number one from an electrical standpoint we can't get any closer but we've already impacted negatively in the project from an economic standpoint meaning there's even though the sun rays are out there less is going to hit the panel behind the panel behind the pan so the overall production efficiency of DF Street East compared to Hill Road is significantly less we call that the specific yields or the kilowatt hours per Kow is we me and efficiency so we've already gone down there I could do a scenario where if we got bigger we covered more there be more kilowatt hours produced every day those kilowatt hourss are sold for dollars and cents and so that's kind of one way I can show um the other is a fixed cost infrastructure question we could look at the general cost interconnected project and some of the upgrades I'm expecting at the sub station I have to pay those upgrades whether it's you know 100 Kow or 1,000 Kow or 5,000 Kow um that's a fixed cost and so Distributing that fixed cost over a smaller project is an economic hardship compared to a larger project so if I was to reduce to a 35% coverage from the 40 something that we're at that's even more dollars per panel if you want to think of it that way that I have to cover and our lck coverage that we're using right now is basically about as tight as we can make MH um third way to look at it is economic feasibility for the land owner because we're paying per acre per year so once you get below a certain amount it's not worth the hle of having a tenant um so that's another thing I haven't done that math and show the Alternatives analysis but I think you can imagine the smaller you get harder it is to carry the fixed costs street road work is another one that kind of has come that wasn't really in my scope so imagine the same equipment has to build a 1 me project with a 5 Mega project that equipment is just as likely to damage a road as for one me as it is for 50 Mega sure or whatever it is it's the same equipment that mobilizes and demobilizes that's more risk and potential fixed cost the small project has to GE so that's where I'm trying to think the largest project I can build ing the minimum negative impact to the environmental site to bylaw to the neighbors and this was a site where a Zone industrial without any neighbors without any Butters really with a road carrying almost all Municipal Traffic it felt like a very reason okay so your initial response was yes there's a lot of ways that could be Quantified and I mean I think as it's written now it says you know it uses the phrase certain fixed costs but you just described a lot of specific things that aren't I didn't see in the request um so I I guess I feel less sure we need to see like dollars explaining those things but do other board members feel like we should have justification for the financial significant financial hardship in addition to what um you just explained I don't think he made anything up there reasonable say just the fixed cost of a construction project whether it's a building or a solar array or a home or a parking there's certain variable costs that as I get smaller I don't have to pay for the extra modules fixed costs our material and that would be where I focus if you ask me to provide a breakdown I'm talking about mobilization cost I'm talking about project management cost I talk about interconnection cost I talk about site PR costs I talk about permanent costs etc etc so that's where I would I a question we have more detailed we St that would significantly change I don't not I don't see Door Street you know cost analysis going to change really how right One Acres or 40 acres it still has to amount still C 3,000,000 in this case I don't think we need a specific cost the description only question would be you did say the results of the lot coverage ratio of joining the two lots as one was approximately 35% it's 40.3 40.3 so it is you might check my ma 40.3 was the lot if you were let's say we combine West both aage and coverage wise you come out to 4 so close yeah basically coverage for East were Within set last total what's the what's the agage the total um the total agage between two properties is 80 I may have used the clear I wouldn't say uh 42 acre parcel at door East 38 acre parcel at door West for 80 total Acres divided by 22 Acres within the fence for door East and 6.5 Acres within the fence for Door West as a lock coverage ratio of 35.6% I did the 23 and the 9 order of there's too many numbers I was hoping I I was hoping I didn't write approximately no it does say ratio of approximately 35% well 35 I would agree approximately 35 it's not you have any thoughts on the later car that I mean really it's up to you all to decide whether or not the um the evidence presented is reasonable and I mean if you think that it is you certainly are within your right to to accept it I I think in this case it does meet the intent to have the two adjacent Lots in the same area so if we're concerned about the coverage we're concerned about the wildlife we're concerned about keeping open space it does it does do that um under any condition would you just build one and not the other um I think the argument would only get better no I probably didn't phrase that right if you wouldn't build one that you get the big label on and then not one that only has an in other words you'd always combine the two always build I think the answer would be there there is a scenario where I only build one project it's unlikely but these projects are mechanically electrically entitlement wise all separate and apart but if I were to not build the smaller project that 35% would go high go down sure so there would be even more space unimpacted space I guess what I'm saying though um that in order to make it work so that's 35% you need both projects right if you want to consider them I would say it the other way around in order for me to build the smaller Door West project I need its bigger brother door East there's a the slight scenario would be ever Source says hey Zach you can only do one project I would pick the bigger one nor East in that case I wouldn't build North West um but my response again is my spirit of the bylaw argument if you will and one of them is that the total inage owned by my land owners is 80 acres and not 42 and 38 and so if I didn't build the 6 and2 acre project my lock coverage ratio of the 80 acres would be now yeah I was thinking backs the other side of the spirit of the bylaw that we were focused on if I recall from the bylaw meetings in November December was kind of setbacks from lot lines of protection for local residents in a scenario where landowner X owned 100 acres surrounded by a residential development and so that was another thought was was pertinent to the sphere of the Von that there wer residents that were going to be impacted by this and we use the same coverage figures by regardless of the district right yes so the so has had it by a not by District yeah in terms of law coverage when we discussed that the goal was to just never have a right yeah so I mean to me to me I think the request is reasonable maybe that being the biggest uh or the Zone like being the biggest justification the land use the fact that you're in industrial uses that are with no you know neighborhoods right next door there's no residential impact yeah well you're backed up just just to be clear you're back up to a house on Door Street there is a residence on Street it goes behind and there's also it doesn't come very close but a it's not completely you know industrial use I think that was the argument you guys brought up when I originally wanted different coverage per Zone eventually each waer most individ do all this one KY I'll I'll move that the planning board approve the waiver requested for Dort West for lock the lck requirement second second Rich any discussion um I'll just yeah this should be the prop time of discussion so um I just feel that I though although they are considered one proper they're not I think D Street is actually right away I don't know if it's an actual down but I think the lot line is down the middle of then we sorted that out years ago yeah that's that's AOW so if it was if you if you were looking at these properties Curr use if you had a 5 acre lot on one side and a 7 acre lot on the other you could combine them youd have 12 acres for use so I don't know I don't know how I I can't knowing that neighborhood and and this really stabilizing you now know what's going to be there this for 50 years or 30 years it seems like the highest almost the highest and best use something in there yeah I get concerned when when we put the town says let's just get something always the and we're discussing the waiver right now not not the but I mean yeah kind of separating the two Parcels even though considering one through the middle of this one resal prop the biggest coverage any other discussion the vote the motion all those in favor of the motion to approve the waiver for lot coverage on for West oh sorry East sorry at a time doing it one lot at a time one waiver at a time one time all those in favor you sorry that was in favor second the motion you can still vote now yes I know yeah open up yeah yeah so on to the next waiver was 5 to that a was a no exensions waiver sure what number this is math 19 L 71 the property the name of it um this must be for th West this firm represents the applicant in connection with the above reference site plan application for commercial ground Mount solar energy system approximately 6.13 Acres of fence area which the solar energy system is located as referen in the application the applicant respectfully request a waiver from article 12 f4d of the Troy Zone ordinance requir every security barrier to be set back a minimum of 100 ft from all property lines and all equipment to be set back a minimum 10 ft within the security barrier the security fence along the Northwestern property line approximately 500 M ft will be set back 5 ft from the that property line the balance of security F will comply within the 100t minimum setb if the waiver is granted for the fence at this location equipment will be set back greater than requireed minimum of 10 ft from the fence will be approximately 50 ft in Northwestern property line this request is being made to locate the security fence to minimize impacts to natural resources on site including wet and streams the reasons explained below the grant request W is appropriate for this project pursuant to article 12 F6 Chone ordinance Bo story w a for regulations satis one Conformity with posos unnecessary hardship to applicant and two such W would not be contrary to Spirit intent regulations one the unnecessary hardship without the requested waiver the applicant would suffer significant and un unnecessary hardship properties of 38 acre parcel of vacant land that has been harvested fortim from time to time over the past decade proposed solar energy system is an allowed sorry use this location the site is well suited for a solar energy system however the property which makes a traditional middle of the property sight layout solar energy system impractical without significant environmental impacts and Associated mitigation cost as shown in the submission materials for the project the applicant undertook a significant amount of stud the best possible location soil Energy System on this site to minimize environmental impacts the project were moved into the wetlands area in the middle of the property cost and lengths of committed regulatory review will be significally increased with no guarantee of eventual success under these circumstances requiring compliance of 100 foot setback will oppos unnecessary hardship an undue financial burden an unreasonable regulatory risk of an applicant and also unnecessary environmental impacts number two spirit and intent of regulations the issuance of the requested waiver would not be contrary to Spirit intented regulations the spirit intent regul of the 100 foot setback in this context to make sure that solar energy systems are not build too close to neighbor property line or right away so as to neg so as to negatively impact adjacent properties and streets as stated above the f is situated 5 ft in the abund property line along the Northwest property line the near solar panel will be approximately 50 ft away from the property sorry screen the access road to the site will be located between the fence and the Northwest property line furthermore the neighbor property is not used as residential use but rather as a Cemetery Andor the solar energy system will be ground mounted and no more than 15 ft tall given the current use of neighbor property is our opinion Sol Energy System will present no negative impacts to the property this is clearly consistent with the overall intent the setback requirment given the foro the plan board Grant of this W would not be conted to Spirit intend regulations for the reason set forth above applicant respectfully request the plan board Grant faor the provisions of article 12 4 B the Troy Zone ordinance app reserves right to present additional information support this application I did have one or two questions I just got find where so fence will be 10t 5 ft off proper line but then it says here the access road to the site will be located between the fence line and the Northwest property line so you got a 5ot AIS Road doesn't see the fence is in the the road is between the fence and the array the road is the fence okay number two spend say the access road to the site will be located between the fence and the Northwest properly that kind s must be lawyer describing the road is inside the road is inside the fence so I thought a really narrow road a bicycle and the array distance of 50 ft is based off the property line not the yes anyone else have questions basic understanding this is you're just trying to avoid the wet LS and you're just moveing over just not touch them I opened up this image obvious you can see the uh the upper branch of the shell here um lot of draining down here with wetlands in the area there's one plan that we have that's open right here that shows the wets they're not shown here but there's a wetland finger here that we walk up the edge there's a significant topographical drop down to this culber that ties into the road and drains down um and so if we were to follow the setbacks we'd be doing you know we financial hardship number one significant topographical impact Wetland impact if approved by New Hampshire Dees comes with a mitigation fee that's a mitigation fee large dollar number per square foot of impact so every shovel I put in a wetland I pay for and that would be significant impact so exactly instead of pushing the site down into the wetlands we pulled it up and kept it on the wet on the Upland but came in conflict with the North property line of the pratorum property so what are your design options without the with the regular setback pushing the whole site South Southeast or removing the whole edge of the array here pushing the fence down to 50 ft where we lose a big swap of modules in here you know approximately how much that shrinks the it would shrink the array it's about a little over six acres right now I think it's at 6.15 so we probably looking at it about 2 Acres maybe a third 30% isway there are more Wetlands up here in this area which is why we didn't make a thin C shaped or u shaped one that would be from an engineering design standpoint not very practical but if we simply followed only the UPS we have done Crescent shaped project but the reason we're avoiding up here is there's a lot more wets up in this area the original plan was more of a square shaped project up here we got a lot of um a lot of wetlands that showed up during our walk that were not mapped by GIS so we lost this area there's a significant Wetland body that comes around here and this area a Upland right here is a little bit too small for the project so this was the Development Area question so what's on that pad site is that um that's the inverter and the Transformer that's outside have a mo is it appropriate for motion motion then I would move that we approve the request for a what are we calling this as proposed your yourest second can I speak for that motion yes um if you look at this plan and you keep in mind the idea of the wetlands and preserving as much of the natural environment as you can disturbing I mean the intent is to disturb as little as possible and I think given that he could move it into the wetlands and conform with our our setback requirement I think this is a far better off option for the for the environment in the natural sense but also in the environment for the local human sense the the pratorum is unlikely to expand it's not like you're going to have this part up against you know a schoolyard or town houses or somebody's house um so in that sense I think you really still have a very good buffer between his property line and the pratorum uh which is probably the size of this room um and and again I I I think it it it is better to leave the the water bodies where they are naturally then to fiddle with them don't you have to do a one to one half exchange or something if I take out one acre I put in one and a half or something like that along with every other right so you know and or you can just leave it the way it is which seems like to make it move it so that we can live with an artificially constructed blot line setback which doesn't apply in this situation I think would be [Music] unnecessary any further discussion on the motion Thea I think U my concern with it is is the it kind of depends on the current use of the ab's lot and that could change over time um so I would I would think we we have to respect the fact that that lot may change its use over time and that can keep that um that that uh set turn as is well but what is it going to change to it's still an industrial property and so that that new developer of whatever that is future user of pratorum uh you know what is he what is that going to be and that's going to have to for review signic so you still have the opportunity to leave make the the buffer requirement to leave the tree buffer that's there on on on the on their side their side sure yeah sure um I think also the consequence um the financial hardship in this case still has the ability to scale it back a little bit his percentage combining the two lots is not not that different so I would I would I would only is the fence within the road and appear to be Transformer and all that but fences are allowed within they don't follow the normal setbacks of structures I think that's the problem this only to be one foot for a the idea was to keep a solar array for that construction far enough off the property line yeah where you're on a kitchen table yeah it wasn't 5 ft but there in this case there are no kitchen there are no K but that was the idea behind the solar or own fence setbacks or project setbacks positive thing for you guys it's on the side of property so they decided to build skyscraper there it doesn't affect your array you might get some bounce back but yeah it's a little tight mying in respect so ordinance or the first array has to be 10 ft from the fence line um must be St back minimum of 10t within the security barrier so could he move that fence in you're 50 ft off the property line 5 ft so 45 you move it into 10 ft off that you get gain what3 a little better I mean you could IDE move it to the other side of the road and have your access no that's a good question need to be inside ites not need to be but we're just working with a space constraint site so Road within Seth mean means the road itself is not only satisfying my vular needs but also the 10t 10 ft is probably not right 15t is the general code standard anything inside if the panel gets closer than 15 ft from the fence I have to ground the fence and so that's where 15 ft is usually the number but in this case we would have lot line setb Back Road setb Back Fence setb solar module and so if I can put the road inside the fence that's where I get the road serving like I said multiple functions for me project it's the most efficient use of space space con site realistically even if you know move the road road proper L then that's still going to be basically the same effect your that you have a bit farther beide modes be clear sh F Mes in the road goes out the road I I think in this case like we should be more flexible um especially when you consider the land use you know the future land use being light industrial we should be picturing okay there's a warehouse next door you know are they is crei there oh let's see it's got to be 15 years probably 20 so it's it's another thing like they could be going strong for the like the least of this far we know but I I think there's a there's hold the setback should be probably considered District by District in our regulation I don't think the reason we came up with that was because if you put one next to a house lot we want to make sure there's a vegetation buff [Music] right and that's not that is not an issue here and it's thater what is the effective set back way you have it design to what fence 5tt to Defence and then about 520 it's your modules are 50 ft just estim 5T off the property from the [Music] we have no communication from he's uh I was trying to think how old he is you if you met him you'd think he was 15 years younger than he is but he's can't be younger than 79 or 80 he used the work it's probably been over 20 years because 20 years ago was 2004 and I think he bought that property before that that that's a pet that's a pet prator yes used to be on no that's a human prator we have two in town one's human one's pet there's two catori in town going they do they do they have fers that are dying to get in there every day well I guess we don't have to go Bob get no well they take you up the key and then they bring you back to Troy that's actually what happens it weird like your mail goes in town first back yeah I handed my we discuss yeah we did discuss the the vegetative buffer that's required by industrial district as well is that that's part of the wer request is that what you're saying no it's not part of the waiver request but you say it's part of the light industrial well I would say it's part of it in the that if we approve is that for could you give me a page number it's page 11 under the law y requirements on the light Industrial District second paragraph article gu so that's where I'm sorry I'm sorry yeah a different District interestingly we in the light industrial district we allow more coverage of buildings and structures than we do so amount of L coverage consistent of all building structures of Park abilities shall be no more than 50% of the to area attorney that would of the a good point so I guess that further discussion on it you feel ready to vote Yes so the motion is to approve the waiver to moove the fence line within 5 ft appro L therefore going inside the all those in favor I opposed extensions I any other waivers yes there is I think the the waiver where are the entry point from the approved class five so you still need to grant that waiver even though all the details of what that's look like discussed earlier okay yep waer request for all right so in fact this is foration syst map 9 lot one which is big hill W request one most of big hill roads are classied RightWay an approximately 12200 milar foot portion of bigo Hill Road classifies as class 6 RightWay exist between the proposed s ending of the Class 5 RightWay portion of B row applicant is proposing a ground Mount solar system on the property it will be approximately 32 Acres of fenc area in which the solar system is located the reasons explained below the granted question W is appropriate for the project one Conformity with posos an unnecessary harsh the applicant two such waivers will not be contary to Spirit and intent of regulations I think the rest is the same text as all the other just see there any details does say that a will maintaining where necessary improve the length of the roadway to the EXT necessary asense so need for class 5 or better RightWay does not exist for proposed use of property unlike more traditional residential commercial developments there will be no use of or access to the project by general public so there's no need for a true public Highway the project will not be staffed and will generate the Minimus view for traffic limited only to periodic periodic inspection maintenance after project construction of the current state of Hill allows for such use applicant will maintain where necessary improve this length of roadway to the extent necessary as own expense lease the town of Troy responsibility and liability related therefore to such Improvement of Maintenance to be memorized in the road maintenance agreement with the town of Troy prior to the commencement construction that be what the agreement I was referring to that John and I so yeah dick you this was the first part of the plan board meeting was discussing improving the classic portion to get to this property and I think the outcome was I read I read John oh okay read yeah and the outcome or Carol pointed out this is not like a planning board decision it's something that the board of Select and needs to address Hammer at the end of this is and I wanted when I read that my question was uh and you're you've arranged you designed that Hammerhead that fits within the uh existing big hill right away yeah so you can see the hammer head simply got it our gate all right so it's not it's not it's not that [Music] way your future existing so aware what we discussed was his engineer John would sit down discuss they want he'd give a recommendation to us and we let you guys then you have the final vation so is this a waiver to not upgrade the road no it's a waiver specific to the to the written bylaw deferring responsibility to the board select men on whether or not they want to accept the road CL that's the whole we simply need to approve the RO we need to approve the and so the original proposal was that we would improve the road to our minimum spec But ultimately we're changing it that we're age to improve the road which is a class five we discuss this spec specification design well last six row is subject to G bars and the rsas on it as you may or may not be aware put the burden of maintenance on the butters that's right so that's why I was I guess there exp better there's pros and cons if you guys have to well and I'm aware the pros you don't need to regurg redo all these for I'm I'm very familiar with the pros and cons of whether we making class five and then we Highway block rant money exactly we leave it as it is we don't have to deal with it and a th other hence my request for the waiver to give the town autonomy to decide what they want to do with it but I will still build UPG but has not brought up class 5 St it's still a class six road is that right it's not brought up to class five St no no all right let me answer the question listen the class six Road could be in class 5 condition and the class five Road could be in class six condition and we have examples of that in different parts class five and class six have to do with who's doing the maintenance not the condition of the grow and whether you can spend public money to maintain them or not you cannot class they're not allowed to build onass that's not true I've been told this for 25 years well whoever told you those exact words was in correct this town by choice has refrained from issuing building permits unclass with six roads for several decades it is legally permissible to issue building permits on class six roads several of our neighboring towns do some of the towns ask for waivers for public services which are totally un enforcable some of them do not this town has for some time not issued the building permit on class we could and would so sound that you I didn't say I would or wouldn't I'm just saying the question is can you and the answer is yes and the typical request is for residential purposes and that is the principal concern with so if I babeth's property tomorrow and i' wanted to go a house where he's putting his solar right where I'd be able to you would have to make you could come to as entire ly up to the select board my if you want my opinion the answer would be no how why because we have a deep and abiding concern about building Residential Properties without adequate access to public services such as fire and police protection well he's putting a solar array that can be also the i i the correct place for your argument if you want to have that argument isn't about that is with would we reconvene as a select board to hear this which I will do any further discussion question in River motion I I move that we that we approve the request for would you modify your request to make it specific to waiver number one waiver number one withraw number two which was the coverage any discussion on this laer one think I had any discussion on it of course than I need demonstra so when I mean when thinking about waivers I mean one thing for me is the absolute distance of the road you know I think the board should feel differently if the property is like a mile or two down to Classics Road versus you know this is in walking distance walking distance and they're going to be fixing up the road to there yeah I think that's really important the fire safety aspect I believe cover is the main concern yeah the odds of having to go down there are minimal for people because they should be going on site once construction's done dur construction is probably a concern how often does a maintenance person go project monthly every six months somewhere between every quarter every half a year so call it every four months might be a a good option a good number to think about maintenance is in two categories one is operations and maintenance roll cleaning Etc the other is response to a lightning strike or a stream that's out or inverter or something like that so I would say the average would be four or five times a year in fact people ever be there dur construction absolutely construction deconstruction like in 30 years but it's bonded but it's bonded I can't use that [Music] argument we're not let become do we have a on we kind of in discussion now um yeah something I think is kind of a risk or a liability is improving that road especially because of the stream Crossing I think that like I'm not I'm not sure we could just you know drop and drop a pipe in the existing thing I think it's I'm concerned about that's give us for answer yeah it also be part of our scope with Hampshire I can't judge that Wetland without their perit so again the point of coming to you all first is to define a plan in a scope that you all AG with and that plan goes to the state and so if I was saying no improvement on the road this would change my plan with the state right but I do have to perent any shovel that goes into Wetland or a street area so in this case we avoided it complet with the solar project but now there will be some scope or with respect to the road there will be some scope and in a scenario where we didn't touch the C at all that might change but I think we're agreeing that in that spe there's going to be that I don't think the waer would have that's going to be all determined by the ACT specs we need yeah this wer doesn't release what has approving the the road right you're saying I don't have to tie I don't have to upgrade I don't have to get the road accepted by the so quick question so I'm that because he he gets the wa he doesn't have to be Town accepted as classied right that means we don't have to that means it's still not open to Residents to build houses on that correct Town adopted as class five any neighboring carels on the other side of that improved section could do Residential Building they not uh yeah there's only one I think but there could could be a subdivision if the town were to make that class 5 you are opening up the chance to do res development on the other side of the finished portion yeah so that' be my one argument of to go to make it a class five Road you have to go to town meeting yeah yeah so you say that'd be my one reason to Grant the waiver so we don't open up that people does well in this case it doesn't have to be that's where we might want to write to the select board and be like hear the pro some of the pros and cons we see of actually adopting it or not I just didn't want the burden of adopting or not to be on the solar project to defer it to the town that the purpose any further discussion we feel we should move to V all those in favor the motion on labor one on b i i opposed extensions one passes I believe waiver that would have been left with waiver two which you take care of adjusting the size of what I just do that screen do we have to put in because we have these waers that gave us file we have have another paper that says that wa 2 was removed it'll be in the findings section of the conditional use per right I'm just trying to remember how that went I us or so be the find it yes was withdrawn du toot L adjustment or the size of typically the conditional use permit will have a description of the project a list of all the final materials drawings dates Etc findings that show the pro the requirements of the bylaw for waivers where it doesn't and then [Music] that's all the this 150 foot setback is just applicable to large we have yes so in the Solar itself it says 100 ft from all um property lines 75 ft off right away so R but what if you want to put a silver panel on your house this is for not the walls don't go there these are for ground M yeah this is only for ground I think we allow full roof coverage or whatever so if you went to General stands for commercial and utility scale solar systems so not residential got so that's where that comes so this system is like oneing power and that that has that 100t from property line 75t off class five are better ready we did that so in theory if you built let's say there was a house where the pratorum was right you could create a veg bu 100 still have in this case there's not a house there so yes all right did um did fire send this A letter yet no um I did send all the materials to Highway fire and um and I explained Henry kind of give me a good outline and what you guys were expecting I yeah see anything else we need to cover to on this I think at this point we just wait I had some I had some followup questions to be benefit from Zach being here um one is um building within uh flood ples so I think this is just applies to D West and on the map the um the flood plane seems to be delineated it's on page c102 along this line and it's it's it looks like all of the at least the permanent improvements like the panels would be just beyond that but I just wanted to make sure I was reading that right we use the flood plane line as a firm line there's no setback associated with buffers to lines and basically we're doing it for our insurance companies as long as it's you know it's a definitive line if you're inside the line qualify for cover checks if you're in the flood you have to pay more money or in some cases when you do build in flood you the we the town has like a local flood plane process and I just wanted to make get it on the record so to speak um some it's confusing but for West there's a significant topographical drop to the river okay um oh in the in the last minutes um there was mention of reaching out to the public health officer or I know he had asked some particular information to be shared did he was C he was copied via email on the supplemental information letter dated 723 okay provided one extensive article by the University of Carolina or North Carolina State when they that state was first investigating solar the the facts of Sol the LA there provided two industry cut sheets I think he question Mr Willie didn't respond to you and I don't think he wrote us don't I isn't he the assistant Health officer yes came the last yeah and I I research all the things that were discussed in the very first meeting individually you know the fire hazard risk is like less than 310% worldwide not Nationwide um health hazards are you know like we said here Roundup was considered healthy 20 years ago right so no no longterm things but um property values I think some number 30% what I maybe a situation that changes I don't know um talk about like fluids Le I don't believe there's any fluids in at all um and some EMF stuff and that but nothing really I did find one article on that 1.2 M setb thing but that was was you know the concern about emfs uh I I had a in Virginia many years ago I went through this when we were developing project and they have high tension lines that ran by and so the EMF fields around the toaster on your kitchen counter is several multiples of what you're looking at from yeah high tension line and this is even less and every EMF article was strictly talking about high tens line not right but your toast the real point is your toaster and your kitchen counter has much bigger that's this is the sure there you go you're putting that up on your brain all day fall asleep with an you just jump my face yeah you're you CS into your house right that was all that all Ione any questions thew thought here I think I think the sidewalk really thank you for doing that good to see wantful properties but it's good to see ways how far in grow conditions so I think people will have a question about and I I don't think this is this is accurate I think it's too big and too low people will have questions about the visibility of it is there anything that you can do like I went to the cemetery I did a baring B little Hill is it's a bit hard to see what elevation it is but you kind of guess is there any way to put on a map the perspective on what might be visible when we did the Google Earth when we did the walk he has a Google Earth and you can align you could draw a line from place to like and it's it's down to the right and I know this Pi is great and I'm not arguing all but there's another Ridge in that photo that you can't see cuz it's pretty dark and I don't know looks like a shadow can you I mean I I did go I I got the bearing I went to the blueberry farm it it's there and where you can really see it is if you go to the cemetery big I don't think it's going to be big you know it's about 3 miles from a blueberry farm so it's going to be a relatively small that color should Drew I think you oh it's not going to be like that no that's for sure um but it it'd be nice to just have something like that that can have it's going to be like looking at yes well I mean yeah and in all reality anything you get bu there you see yeah it' just be good to have something to to display what approximately is I don't I agree you know I think it's going to be about that big right to be it's going to be right at the hump and about maybe about an inch long that's why they make photos yeah I think it's hard though I mean how do you know for sure like I can get the bearing I know where it is I don't I can't easily get the elevation unless send somebody out there with miror somebody I don't know if you do Google Earth set a pin's move across Google Earth and then look at your PIN I don't know Google Earth super well but I know there's a topographical feature we've already brought the KMC files in I try to put the little yellow person on the blueberry farm and look ATC but I think I think where the biggest view of it's going to be is from the C the one up 12 yes so right here right here if you guys want to look I get piece of paper so this is the blueberry Fields I wish I can put this bigger yeah I think is that if you put this right here if the trees were a foot taller at the Blue Field you wouldn't even see a big little Hill give it like three years ex well it depends on where you're standing too yeah wedding photos I don't think you'd see it I think that's the biggest so here their biggest here's what I want people to look at though there looking so this is the point KN and this is his you have no perception well here's the thing here's the line the sight's over here yeah so we're taking pictures if you're going from his field to you can have 180 view it's a big but everyone talks about the view to the mountain I'm saying if you take your picture Y and you all show bado in the center of the picture now it's here not this is a cent of your picture Project's way over here I I did I did the bearing on it it's 104 de from do North you can you know it's not Mano 90° and and the solar it's kind of off I think it's off to side but not that far off the bigger thing is you you can't see town obviously right because Town drops too far down there's a smallidge before big and obviously Gap can you see the power from that goes in front of it it I think you it's pretty close like from the cemetery you definitely you you can't see the the land but you can see the wires so you can get the all the I have you not see the it's pretty close it's pretty close if you go up there and you stand in the park you know it depends on but I don't think because you're so far away it's not you know it's not a big part of that or is that those are two different I think bring up Jack is really important point for us to think about it's very very hard the top [Music] map I don't think it's not going to be smash your face right I feel it's not right here but there some way to than got to be something key point is the cemetery not both would be valuable um that not not thinking about the cemetery my first thought was just I think most people i' also say that can do but you won't be able to take it treat played around with it a couple years ago whatever and you can kind of do that if you least pinpoint the property you can kind of see where it is in the pictur right now we got we think it's going to be the whole Hillside we think it's going to be get I've never we've done renderings before but typically it's a rendering from a public way show the planting like 50 nor not talking about 2 you're not talking about a weding venue up on the hill 3 miles away in straight line it may literally just be that KZ line [Music] we I think you just point corner again the window you see a little more is great proper more just construction first year it's [Music] allue Main and there was a pretty good array at the bottom was really saying you could tell what it was but it was like didn't catch I don't think I have any more questions for for him um I think far less obnoxious than the wind pills in um lster lster and the thing about those is you don't realize how far away from them you are yeah they huge someone put a cellone power there blinking light at night so I kind of mentioned it earlier but Conservation Commission is currently looking over stuff get back to Short what's do we have the dat we have to be we have to give when do we have to do on whether or not these are projects that actually that that should have happened at the very at the very beginning yes so you can so put us at September and I was thinking what I would like to suggest for the next meeting I have pages of notes here that maybe it would be helpful if I start to draft this off as findings and as notice of decision with the conditions and then you all can review it next time and if it seems like you've covered everything then maybe you would be ready at least for a conditional approval if there are some things that are still outstanding and then that that gets you within your deadline does that make sense to you yeah we're happy to extend any deadlines you guys so I don't want you guys to feel I think practically speaking D the two D projects should be able to be closed if not tonight the next time and I think it'll be helpful to go through the exercise of drafting the approvals Capital decisions together to make sure we're on the same page respect findings and special conditions Etc and below like whatever you guys need for extensions I'm not going to build this tomorrow right so I still have a lot of work and I'd rather you guys don't feel Rush um I do want to start the state level permitting so getting the comfort that our designs are effectively set and we're working on the the conditions will allow me to start that process so I think that's what I'm going to H for we're all the same page this that's always good yes so we'll plan on we'll try to close the dwar projects on the 7 21st 21st and we can if we need anything drafted up for an extension elizeth you can reach out to me if but happy to extend it or you guys are tired of talking about it also did you recalculate the commissioning percentage I did that's in that letter of this 23rd so basically I shrunk I didn't do anything to the overall development footprint I just took the fence and instead of some areas where I made big straight lines I just tighten them up and we remove two and a halfish Acres from the area within the fence so that brought us under 35% so we remov that um it was unclear whether or not we were going to move forward to the laer on the Hill Road from 6 to 5 but we clarified that tonight so the decommissioning was updated to match the new acreage did changed a little bit the linear feet fence went down a bit but the foot print itself theing area the clearing stach had all stay the same so that was it the module count stay the same so it's very close but now the eror the is also corrected I had mismatch number so I think I think all set tonight I do thank you for coming every me question all right so my engineer Jeff who on the site with us is going to reach out with John continue to work on the road spec But ultimately spec separate and apart is the spec is now locked into the plan or will be locked into our plan the approved plan set that you guys approved but the classification is off the table now or off off the discussion um I'm going to add a note for Selective clearing along the 75t setb back to the east of Hill roads project to the west of the road um I'm going to add some notes I think to all the buffer zones free projects about bird boxes bat boxes other environmental benefit something something to be you know Nest underneath these things excuse me B Nest underneath these no squirrels like to but we don't see manys on good though I just wondered yeah not not a tremendous amount um I'm going to wait for a letter from kcom But ultimately that letter would be just read in the record fee of the findings and not necessarily get impact much I'm going to add some notes to the plan about invasive species management and then I'm do my best on rendering Road from the cemetery um I don't may this a question I don't anticipate turning those full plan sets to you guys prior to the meeting Tech typically what I do is that's a condition and write up all these changes into the permit and then I have to incorporate them or would you guys like everything Incorporated prior to [Music] the I asked that question I feel like I obvious answer so I will try um I don't know how fast the engineer can f all that stuff but I'll try to turn the three plan set so they have everything so that when we reference you know plan set dated August 12 something so back to the decommissioning for a minute I think you said you have two methodologies for that one is straight 125% of where we are now and another one was compounding uh value over 30 years like a 2% rate or something like that is that were those the two methodologies yeah I don't recall what the compounding rate was but I thought I read in there 125% it seems like um with a relatively small interest rate compounding you get over 12% pretty quick so if you could Pro provide a little bit little information on what the two meths were yeah um think was a bigger number you said that's usually what we do um it's all based on what we do in Massachusetts is pretty detailed either or there's also a tremendous amount of precedent for decomissioning costs so it's less to do with the math and more to do with what's the number in the town you feels comfortable with usually a commissioning estimate gets you close a number or read the Deep Fishing plan in the are you just looking to confirm the went with the higher number Jack I just like to know the methodology how they got there like if if the decommissioning is 100,000 now and it and it what the bond is going to be is 125,000 I just want to know what the methodology because if the cost is 100,000 now it seems like 5,000 30 years from now is it high probably got 20 but your point is I think anything we escalate out is 20 years that's the point at which we have to decide with the landowner whether or not to extend the least or not so usually we talk about these things in 20 year improvements you know all cont all contracts are 20e base with extensions but yeah I see your point I'll do a little work the anything else so I believe we'll see you again on the 21st 21st yeah for some reason the 15 you be that's the meeting the first the first thing we have to get done is the road work between my engineering that's why okay else [Music] have do we have a s on update well we we do uh thank you for asking um I don't know what Curtis is if Curtis has had the opportunity to discuss this with the board I know you've been busy with other things uh but we have tentative we've scheduled a meeting a hearing on roads um and there's some specific items that I believe while while the selectman can theoretically do whatever we want it seems like planning thing to me um so and we may wind up kicking this down the road just a little bit just because it's better to do it when we've got all our ducks to row but I want you to know what we are thinking this came out of a couple of there's a couple of issues that we feel are important um so it came up with the uh Bridge Project with the uh State down here on 12 and well here and then down by on the North End and so there would be they're looking for they would prefer a temporary closure of Old keing Road where it comes into Route 12 because they're building because of the nature of they're building a bridge there and where lawence road is on the opposite side of the the river uh they would you would wind up with this bizarre arrangement with three traffic lights and all kinds of coordination it would simplify things greatly if we simply close Old Keen Road for the period that end of it uh for the period of the project so it would be inconvenient for those of us who like to cut in for the Mini Mart on our way home uh and those people who live on that end of working te they would have to drive around come up so that's the downside that's the but it is it would be temporary um the the other thing that is a problem is Prospect Street so where Prospect Street over here comes into Route 12 literally at the bridge um and there's all kinds of crazy stuff with this bridge because it's a railroad bridge and even though No One Believes the railroad's coming back back except me um they have to build it to current railroad standards and then you find that there's an old Road that's under there and then the The 1975 renovation of the bridge is no good the 1840 bridge is just fine so all the 1840 work is good they're going to rip off the 1870 stuff and re and build it back on top of the 1840 stuff and hopefully it'll get another 30 years of it but so the problem that prospects read isit again they would have to have this bizarre arrangement with lights if you were to be able to come out of Prospect Street and enter Route 12 and one of the issues that most of us are aware of uh is Prospect Street is very dangerous at the top of the hill because of the ledge that sticks out and so one of the things that we discussed with the state was for the period of this project Simply Having Prospect Street be one way up to that ledge would be two-way past Evan John's house and there's an apartment building on the right but it would be one way from there down and then when we talked about it we feel that probably the best thing to do with Prospect Street is simply make it permanently one way up to that ledge um so these are the things on the docket the other problem the other uh area of consideration is Depot Street Depot Street is partially on my property uh but that's not that is an issue for me but the real issue is if you if you are familiar with Depot Street when school is in session people Park in the middle of literally in the middle of Depot Street um so that it is effectively one lane wide and uh what we are proposing is that we make Depot Street a one-way Street and put uh parking spaces on the left so extend the side block out and make it one not that far and make it one way downhill you you pick up two public parking spaces where people Park anyway uh on the on Depot Street and then a handicap space in front of uh Kim Hall and then you would have uh I'm not sure if there's supposed to be handicap space in front of helping hand or not but sometimes people park there and sometimes they don't so would give you a one a permanent oneway down Depot Street um the other issue that came up was visibility Out of Water Street there's no way to change that uh there's a sign there the sign was permitted well the sign was put up whether we had permits at that time or not I have no idea the visibility is not that bad and uh so and it would create a true bottleneck if you had that being only you only had vehicular traffic in you know that's a problem uh so I think that is not going to come up but so the proposals that I'm aware of that we are looking to run by the public and get feedback on and certainly the planning board would be permanently making Prospect stre one way up to the where the ledge comes into it um temporarily closing old te road on the North End and uh making Depot Street uh one way downhill yes sorry I have a question a m of public yeah um Depot being but you don't live in the St but uh on behalf of family okay Depot Street being one way down wouldn't it be more efficient to make it one way up no because the visibility if you come up Depot Street is terrible isn't it terrible at Prospect too uh it's not as bad as Depot Street where we put a stop I think there's already six signs four there's five now there's one at the bottom of Depot Street and then four in that fourway well that's cuz it's a four-way inter right no there's five now though anyway that's not what I'm complaining about way to bring that up well yeah sorry well the answer is if you made it one way coming uphill uh you the that's the more dangerous of the ways of those two options right of your two options that's the least work okay um so that was that's the reasoning there okay I just figured it ask yeah no thank the you know the correct answer is to tear everything down and redesign it the proper lines of sight everything but I don't think that's happening unfortunately yeah a stop sign at at Prospect Street on High Street we tried that and it makes it's really good but if and if you live as you once did uh in on Russell Avenue or Brook Street or Prospect Street and you come up the Depot Street and it's early in the morning and people are wailing off of off of West Hill drinking their coffee they can't see they couldn't see you if they wanted to and they don't really want to uh and then you have the problem of the congestion with the parking on Central Square technically the two sides of the road are that's considered Central Square and there's a half a dozen well there's probably a dozen parking spaces on the two sides and when you have delivery trucks there for the deli and you know somebody's coming in to open up the helping and impossible to see it's it's very sketchy so uh that's the reason for making it one way down so that's the prop those are the things that we were planning on discussing with the meeting if you all have thoughts on it we are certainly you have a date for the meeting yes tenative well it's set but we may boot it out uh I don't know if age on something I'm sorry sorry I was just what I interrupted oh Community uh Power something and then public hearing on Troy streets at 5:00 p.m. 28 28 yeah so it's after your next meeting after next and we depending upon what we arrive out at the next elect meeting maybe we'll Pi that in September so that was that was it and I see you have an agenda item on your uh files did was Amanda making a presentation tonight or did she she did she came and left we had her take care of it first she like that go good she just kind of asked us where the plans were we told we some recommendations for you and file in because she want know how many file CS we want I like well you're going to be want to tell us oh what we're using and what we may need I couldn't tell we had anyway so to tell her a number did she give you the same lecture she gave the selectman she gave us a count of the number of file cabinets and then the number that actually worked is like it's a it's a low fraction and where you get that oh yeah we got some nice suggestion about make sure we had some set up for M site PL yes she asked questions about what had to we kept what not we did tell her you know if you have questions just give it to eie yeah and they'll bring it to us and we can look it over and say yes or no that's what we do with everything in this building if we give a Deb they should they should not pay a penny for paper right you you all are aware that you have another map file upstairs right yes she did mention that she mentioned that if if if if it was me I would want in the same she the same floor she did mention maybe if the Poss bring that map one down yeah so and the other in my discussions were I said I really think that these Maps should be indexed in some way because the current system is if you look if you're looking for the stre plan for Granite Street which is it's over there but the way you find it is you keep opening the drawer and flipping through till you find it and when you're run out of drawers you go to the other you go upstairs which uh we can do better yeah and that's that's the intent we have the opportunity for some lateral files and one of the thing one of the in a compliment to this part of the town the planning board she said the most consistent files are in the planning board files uh and the second would be Board of adjustment so mostly the stuff is there the biggest complaint is 14 copies of one thing of exactly the same thing uh you know so that is unnecessary uh and she has made checklists of minimum standards for what should be in FS I has she shared those with you she Shar with us but she asked us what we knew had to be kep himself she was open for that wel she does have I know that she's got because she shared with a select word I I talk to her off the side as well so I know she's got checklists ready to throw I guess she wanted to see if there was something you want yeah I feel like she was trying to see what we needed what we want we were expecting what we could do digitally what we could and then you told her you know based off that you find come to us a recommendation cabetes and and that's you know so this is a food for thought thing organizationally um the the the we share a vendor my company and count worldwide Computer Solutions and so for at least 10 years our files are all digital we Clos we got all the paperwork fly closing and actually mostly they just send them over as PDFs now and we we put them into an electronic file which is on the back side of our website it's literally the same program that the town has except the town pays more money for it uh which I don't understand that so the potential to digitize our fils I believe we have the capacity you know there's a Manpower issue and we certainly haven't had that and but God knows we don't need another project in this building but she did mention digitizing stuff and she wanted know what she could yeah the discussion of the SS had to be kept well some of the things the old lens and the and stuff you're going to want to keep anyway you know it it you should when you have nothing else to think about here whenever that day happens uh you know you should kind of think about what what do you want this to look like for the next guy and you know we you know we may not actually have been in the budget but maybe we moved some money around to make this happen because we all seem to think it's important that and uh other than that I think that's PL people want to go home do you guys here for the solar or something else it's interesting definitely for the solar I'm Dr this is Sam more you live at the end of on the um you know just before the C and um so obviously we have bested interest in everything that's happening um we respect greatly your role in this and your due diligence of what you put into research and everything else Brothers is leave us alone that's our brothers um and um but also knowing that it's not just about us and um so any way we didn't come to the other meetings my sister my brother and my mom did CU we were in Montana sorry but now we're back um and just a a great deal of interest in the town of Troy my parents have been here for a long long time and um so anyway it's just learning um and that's kind of so still just learning make sure ignore you what's that well make sure you weren't ignoring you if you had something so oh we we under the impression that this we would not be allowed to speak so we were prepared to not be recognized thank you to very much well the public portion of the site plan was Tak closed but as a we typically do still provide the public an opportunity that was not our expectation try to be pretty pretty good with the public and I think the view from the cemetery is so fair it's a great place to meditate really put things in perspective got all these Braves you breathing thank you can you tell who the vocal one it well between us you have one whole person say thank you he's got the knees okay thank you very much thank you good have a good night folks jur 1019 1019