Ranking 2025 NFL Draft Safeties (Summer Scouting) | NFL Stock Exchange

Intro [Music] welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast from Trevor sikma that is Conor Rogers fresh in the new house baby we got the new house feel it looks like you're kind of you know being held captive but yes I logged on and I said to you I said I promise I'm not being held hostage I just have 45 boxes around me nothing unpacked besides a micophone I do love that you put the helmets immediately behind you so that you could be like no no no I'm not into prison you know like I'm not I'm not being held against my will dude I had to de I I promised somebody I would do like a media hit with them and I moved here Friday and the media hit was Monday but we actually of course right after we moved Friday we had we had to go away for a little bit of the weekend so when I got home from NBC on Monday I was like oh my God I was like I have to record something and all I have is White Walls behind my desk right now and 40 boxes in this room so I just put the the bookshelf up 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uh buddy we are putting a bow here on the summer scouting series for this episode we are at the safety position the final position that have here for summer scouting really excited to kind of wrap this all up and give you our final thoughts on this safety Group which was a lot of fun to get to Conor and I are going to give you our top eights and safety is very versatile right there's a lot of different ways where you could play the safety position you before I think a lot of people just talked about it as free safety versus strong safety or box safety but now I mean there's a lot of safeties that in today's League they'll rotate down in the slot quite a bit they can be you know like pseudo Edge Defenders these guys that can come all the way down into the box so lot of different ways to utilize safeties in today's version of American football and uh we're going to talk about a lot of that here as we get into these top eights but dude again I I I've had so much fun with this series it's one of my favorite ones that we do all year and this safety class actually gave us a really good one to end on here it did because you nailed it Trevor there's just so many types of players body types athleticism variants I think um roles and skill sets so I I really enjoyed watching this group because I felt like each player was a little bit of a different experience where you know some other positions you could kind of start to get not tedious but in a groove of okay this bucket or this bucket and with safety I feel like there's maybe four to five different buckets and I went into this process you know I knew about three or four names off the top of my head and I actually had a couple surprises that I think are really impressive football players that we're going to talk about today all right let's get right into it because we got eight guys that we want to cover and you know the way that I rank safeties is I categorize them as either free safeties or strong safeties but then for this episode I'll kind of put them in a big bucket and give you just top eight overall safeties and so uh let's do kind of what we've done before try to be a little bit rapid fire eight through six and then we'll break down the top five a little bit more individually spend a little bit more time on those guys who did you have eight through six so at eight I had Rod Moore from Michigan who was on last Summer's safety episode that we did I I know more started out the season um you know missing a couple games and you know came back and was obviously a strong Defender for Championship defense seven Hunter Waller from Wisconsin a big safety I mean like a legitimate you know 62 maybe plays around 215 yeah it you know really really smart player uh plays in the Box plays in the slot plays free he was a fun watch and then six for me was somebody I said on the corner episode I would rank as a safety and that's Sebastian Castro ah okay plays plays the slot for Iowa but Castro to me when you really grind into his role and tape is whether he's a big nickel Defender at the next level or a box safety I don't think Castro is just going to be this he's a slot corner like he could play a little slot corner but when you go into his single coverage reps against the shiy your wide receivers I don't think that maximizes skill set and when you look at him playing downhill I was blown away by how tough and how smart and how aware he is like I I mean Castro being six on my safety list for a guy that's really playing slot Corner in college wildly impressive and a big part of a great defense that I think he'll seamlessly transition to being a strong safety at the NFL level yeah I already kind of gave my thoughts on Sebastian Castro when we did the corner episode because I break up wide corners and Slot corners and so I had him in that category but if you just had to say okay you've got to put Sebastian Castro in one bucket or the other General cornerbacks or safeties I would put him in the safety bucket like if there's a position that he's going to play at the NFL level when he is not in the slot like you mentioned it's going to be coming from depth it's going to be somebody who's going to be in probably a two safety situation to high safety situation where he's got the freedom either play a rob a roll over the middle or just come downhill be able to face tight ends or you know go up and get running backs if they're taking swing pass out of the back field something like that so I agree with sort of where you positioned him if it's either corner or safety I also would put him in the safety category but tough as Nails football player man he is gonna be he's gonna be a fan favorite and honestly he's gonna be a coach's favorite too we're gonna get throughout the NFL draft process and you're gonna hear you know he's a senior right he's he's upper classman isn't he so he's gonna go through the process of either the shrine bowl or the Senior Bowl and I can already tell you Eric Galo or Jim naggie like going to be tweeting about this guy like they're going to be saying hey NFL draft Community maybe is not as high as they need to be on this player because he just he seems like a good football player so it's it's going to be like recruiting in EA college football both the Senior Bowl and the shrine game are just going to hit send the house at sebes asro every time hard cell what matters to this guy I gotta figure it out I'm still I'm still I'm still trying to master the uh the recruiting part of that game because I I went through my the first dynasty not too long ago cuz I was was doing a lot of the mini games I was doing a lot of like the play now stuff whatever and I actually got into the Dynasty and you've got like what is it 700 hours or something that you can allocate to recruiting and before the season even started I allocated like all of my hours I didn't realize that like that's all you got like some up throughout the weeks but it's not enough that it matters no I screwed myself although I was like first for like 15 players at the beginning of the season but once we got down to the top threes here's a little tip for you if you hit send the house or something on that and it worked after a week you can clear it get the 50 hours back and then do something else on the player this is this is something I had to learn the hard way God yeah all it's probably the most useful thing any of you are getting from this podcast today uh yeah 100% is that yeah send the house get all the info then go hard sell so uh let's talk about let's talk about Hunter Waller as Hunter Wohler, Wisconsin as well you had him I had at seven okay I have him at nine so he's just outside of my top eight but yeah yeah yeah correct like shouldn't even be playing the game like an Waller family rivalry it goes back centuries no it's good it's like the Hatfield and McCoy he a good football player yeah it's like the brackens in the I care is it the brackens in the something in House of dragon the syas in the wallers um so look Hunter wall safy from Wisconsin you mentioned he's he's got great size to him 6' one and a half you know 215 pounds I mean that is 77th percentile in height 79th per TI on weight for the safety position that's compared to NFL guys so you absolutely love to see it this is somebody who I I I like to note the high school background and for Waller it was a very successful High School background not just individually but also as a team and this may sound like stupid or cliche but I feel like you you you feel that in the way he plays like he's a total team player he does all the dirty work he does whatever you're going to ask him to do you mentioned how versatile this guy is not only did he win um Wisconsin's Gatorade football player of the year as a senior he won two state championships like he was a part of big-time winning programs in high school so he knows what it's like to be a part of a winning program What It Takes and I think he's brought that to the to the style of play that he has at Wisconsin so I I genuinely think he does a lot of things well he is a tackling machine he had a [ __ ] ton of tackles in high school and he had a ton of tackles once he got into the lineup at Wisconsin so no matter where he is he's going to be a help in run defense he's going to be a plus in the Run game for you um I also think he's a very calculated player doesn't really get burnt too much for being out of position I should say the biggest issue with him is just I think his athleticism is probably average at best for the NFL level I agree and that's probably why I've got him here but a rock solid football player who I don't know how high he's going to get drafted but he could be in the NFL for a long long period of time because of how he approaches the game it's spot on he's somebody that will do the dirty work around the box he just handles so many roles in this defense I mean you look at the snap Counts from 2023 409 in the Box 144 in the slot 249 at free safety 29 on the line of scrimmage defensive line eight at outside corner and then he's playing on the punt and field goal teams this guy's on the field all the timeball player baby physical aspect of it um he's just that hybrid strong safety outside linebacker kind of defensive back that he's all the 13 tfls last year PFF logged it as 13 tfl no gain stops they're wildly impressive plays like you brought up the the athleticism that was number one in the weaknesses for me I don't think he has high in speed but he sees things so quickly that it's the equivalent of a player that has really good speed that sees it on a normal level because he has really good awareness and instincts uh and I thought play development instincts were his best attribute he understands how the play is developing what the blocker is trying to do to him and the right lane and Pathway to the ball carrier and the play I think the physicality and coverage will transition well to covering tight ends at the next level I'm not putting Waller in the slot and saying like you know trying to think of a really good like cover cidd lamb like when they play him in the slot right I that's an extreme example maybe a lesser example like Josh DS like he should be covering bigger matchup kind of players um right right so by the way did you know did you realize like how intelligent he is I saw he had uh GPA in high school above four 429 GPA in high school and I think he's always been an academic allamerican in college which maybe he's got some of those Jim Leonard Vibes at better than me it's great reference uh it's great spot on I mean just it just all comes together for this guy and like you said he's not a first round athlete so that's why we're talking about him in this group but I think he'll be a rock solid NFL player for a long time personally yep I like him as well uh my well I guess I I'll just I'll just read my eight through six because there's another guy that we're going to talk about here um achil Arnold I have at number eight he was at Oregon state for a while now he is at USC for his final year of Eligibility Rod Moore is the next player that I wanted to talk about I have him at number seven and then Xavier wona uh from Iowa is who I have just outside of my top five at number six but I did want to touch on Rod more here before we went to some of Rod Moore, Michigan these other guys because you had him at eight I believe yes where did you have him uh seven is where I had him okay really talented player athleticism is is is what you love about this guy I'm not really worried about the injury history really you know like obviously he he well actually shoot I I totally forgot I was thinking about the early uh injury that he had last year I forgot that he had a non-con injury and we're not even seeing him play this season so that was that's that's a major part of his scouting report that I to that totally slipped my mind that is a major part of what we uh what we have to talk about here with him but even when he's on the field Connor I worry about how Slender the dude is it's the number one thing I wrote 182 pounds and to be honest with you there were times when he'd have to take on a blocker where he give him a little pop and it be like okay didn't really expect that from 182 pound safety so I like it but there's just only so much that you can do to make up for being 182 pounds and that is zeroth percentile for the safety position so I wonder if he is one of these guys who might actually end up being a corner in the league instead of a safety you know like players translated there but and he hasn't played a ton of like outside corner but like uh Mike McKenzie is the first guy that like comes to my mind right like the former Green Bay Packer where I think he was drafted as a safety but he mostly played corner at the NFL level he was kind of like a bigger taller more slender player and I think Rod mois got sort of similar athleticism to him so I wonder if a conversion to Corner might be in Rod Mo's future but it all depends on how he comes back from this ACL injury it really does yeah it's you know obviously I should have led with that when I read his name that he's going to miss they're expected to miss the entire season from the torn ACL and the offseason workouts but this is somebody that has a couple years of tape right now where at least the NFL has that much tape on him yeah and knows what they're getting and you brought up the athleticism Trevor I I will say just from Pure tape study I I was left wanting a little bit more um me too I thought I was gonna be a little higher on him I really did me too coming into this I thought Moore was going to be top five safety for me I I wrote up the first week was very slender frame and it impacts his play strength he he gets wiped out in the Box against the Run game and screens yeah just like when a screen blocker gets out front it's here's the perfect example the two guys in front of them that I read off Waller and Castro kill screen blockers they kill them yeah and I didn't see that from more but more as athleticism you look at the four interceptions in 2022 when he's Roaming In coverage there's flashes of Brilliance but there's flashes of Brilliance not stretches of Brilliance so yeah a a solid player he'll be an interesting project for someone to draft and and you know continue his rehab and get him right for his rookie season yeah so number uh number eight for me was ay Akili Arnold, USC Arnold and and I wanted to make sure that I brought his name up because I didn't really have any buzz on him before I went into this exercise and um dton werman at PFF actually was somebody who I heard his name first when Dalton was giving him some Pub he said he was one of the best coverage safeties in the country and so I was like oh okay I haven't heard of him before so so I looked him up and I I really am I'm a fan he's just he's a little bit smaller he's 6 foot flat 200 lb that's 34th percentile and 24th percentile he's he's a little stiff changing direction he's not like the best fluid athlete out there but there's so much of what he does that is it comes from such a high football IQ for the position so he was originally a three star cornerback out of in 2019 so he's been around college football quite a long time this is sixth year so he's he's played a lot of football so that has but but that has turned into High football IQ I think in a lot of ways here's the strengths that I have written for him good pre-nap communication good post Snap recognition a willing and decently strong tackler despite being a little bit smaller in size he's got some smooth movements for a slot Defender I mentioned sometimes the change direction when he's when he's top speed like that can be a little bit stiff but when he is playing in the slot he revers back to that corner background you can see some of those fluid those quick short area movements from him so it helps him be a nice slot Defender and um and I think that he could play press really confidently that was also something that I love from him because the size being a little bit smaller it probably says okay you might have to be a slot Defender at the next level and I get a little bit worried when I say athleticism is sort of an issue for players and then try to put them in the slot because in the slot like you metion I mean you me CD lamb line up in the slot like you you can't be devoid of athleticism and try to grab to guard CD lamb there's just too many good receivers that are playing this slot but he does so so confidently and understands leverages understands the timing when to get hands on guys knows how to manipulate things knows how to uh play comfortably in trail techniques so he just does all of these things really really well and I thought we saw some good coverage grades last year from him because of it 81.3 coverage grade in the slot that was his highest coverage grade free safety was also 76.1 but he's a little bit of a smaller player I don't think he's going to be this yeah like top top top 50 type of safety maybe even top 75 we'll see how this year goes but he plays the position so smart and it's hard for me to really give up on guys who can manage the space that they're given as a safety as well as Akil Arnold does so I'm a big fan of his somebody I got to get eyes on after hearing that I I'm you know I I heard what you said in the beginning like hey I didn't hear a ton of Buzz about this guy I didn't hear a ton of Buzz about about him somebody that I will watch throughout the season for sure uh as we kind of add to the depth of the safety class which goes to show you the depth of this class looks pretty good when you have I thought my eight were really really strong and to hear there's people outside of it that can make that jump is exciting yeah no it it it it's a good group and and I want to get to my number six guy because I think you'll have him in your top five Xavier Wampa but before we do that we had a little bit of Xavier Nwankpa, Iowa appetizer for college football last week now it is time for the feast this coming Saturday we're very very excited about that one in college football getting kicked off because now we got new tape to watch these guys it's going to be great don't miss any of the action jump in draftking Sportsbook this year Full Slate of games is coming Saturday uh We've even got the big at match up in Atlanta number one number 16 but there's so many great matchups throughout the day number one place to bet touchdowns is DraftKings currently has the most touchdown markets offered and leads in touchdown Futures and season specials as well touchdowns can be scored on the ground through the air defensive effort you guys know how it is and you know at DraftKings now you can score big as well it's the biggest college football season to date enjoy the ride all the way through the 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number three for me okay that's not too bad no I was worried if you were G to have him one yeah yeah yeah and then it's like a little bit too big of a gap show's over okay so you have him see you have him at three uh you like him a little bit more than I do what' you like about Xavier wona from uh from from Iowa well I could see how you landed there for him because this is my number one projection guy right like he's he's the highest player I have on the list without him having solidified it is what I would say I'm just looking at the traits that this guy has at 62 215 I believe he's the highest recruit to ever commit to Iowa I think so can you confirm I'm pretty now here's the problem with that just when we say things like that recruiting rankings now there's so many different recruiting like recognized recruiting rankings and services but the point is this guy was a big deal coming out of high school he was a five-star recruit and depending on where you get your recruiting rank ings he's the highest recruit to ever commit to Iowa so and I believe he flipped back and forth like might have flipped to Alabama at one point Iowa eventually lands him this was a big deal for IA he's a true Junior like I said he's 62215 sturdy big build he's got length he's explosive and fast when he hits the gas another guy that plays everywhere last year 342 snaps in the Box 234 in the slot 233 at free safety he also plays special teams I I love the way Iowa develops players by the way it's just like yeah you're going to come here and you're going to play special you're you're a five star super recruit and oh yeah you're also like run down the field on kickoff it's just I don't know football baby you better love it out it really is and and they're about that life and this defense is they they really play as a collective unit there was a play Trevor that I saw of him on tape where Ruckers was I think it was a quarterback run it was some kind of run that had manungi as a lead blocker and we know how tough Kyle manungi is I mean yeah yeah he is like 30 pounds of muscle and a 10 pound potato sack he's that kind of jacked and this this dude WKA wiped him out like put him on his ass Where mana's Feet went up in the air and I was like whoa I got watch rers game that is a true sophomore getting after it downhill now once again there are flashes I think he the one question I wrote for him like can he create takeaways in 2024 because here's how you go in the first round if you we live in a world where linebackers safeties and running backs and tight ends traditionally have to be do something extraordinary to go in the first round that's the world we live in right now love it or hate it WKA has special tools he's a really good football player right now already going into his true junior year if he can create turnovers that change the game then he's a round one safety that's a giant if giant if but he has so much talent that I I loved the player I absolutely I love the player I I think that at minimum he looks like a day two starter like day one starter yeah his I think his floor as a safety is really high just because I mean if nothing else but because of god-given talent 6 fo2 215 pounds that's 83rd and 86th percentile for the position I mean he is built like a player who will last at the NFL level for this position and you mentioned the five-star tag that he got out of high school that comes from good athleticism as well I read that he was a he was a track guy as well had a uh long jump participating the long jump I'm not sure if he was a sprinter or not I just found the long jump from him but he also like he played baseball as well he played all three phases when he was in high school so you know playing all around at Iowa is nothing new to him Connor I agree with you completely the area that really held him back from being a top sa a top five safety for me is I don't know why this might be sort of how he's taught by his coaches I thought the way that he approached the play is just way too conservative right now like he he's not nearly as aggressive as I think that his size his speed and his strength could allow him to be he was a safety in every sense of the word and perhaps again that is what Iowa's coaches are telling him maybe they are telling him you roam the back end Nobody Gets behind you nobody gets past you but that's a different message than saying hey we want you to kind of creep over the middle watch the quarterback's eyes go get the go get the ball when it's in the air and he just he doesn't play like that I just felt as though his play style was much more conservative than I thought it was going to be for a player who is as athletic as he is so to me this is a huge year because if now he's going to be a true Junior this year you know he wasn't even drafted eligible last year so if in this year he really cranks up his aggressiveness even if it's just in spots to go after the ball when it's in the air then all of a sudden this guy can definitely shoot up my rankings and shoot up the draft board but right now he just plays too conservative and I wonder is this how you approach the position and does it make you comfortable if you ramp up that aggression I don't know that's the question or those are the questions that I'm really looking to get answered this year because I don't know if you read this dude he had 16 interceptions in high school that's insanity and not shocking so all the traits are there he is long explosive smart so when I saw that even as just a true sophomore for as much as he's played he only has two interceptions I was like that's a little weird and then you watch the film and you go well you're not really putting yourself in a position to go get those interceptions and I just wonder if this year will yield more of that so it's it's nothing on him honestly again if this is how they're teach him how to play then I think that it will all play out in the end that's sort of the caveat of Summer scouting right we Scout these guys and I and we sort of tell you where they are now but we also have to tell you what could be in their future and he is somebody who has a much higher ceiling than just being safety six for me in this class but that is how I saw him in his current state and what I'm hoping to see more of him this season my working theory on it is he was a young guy playing in a veteran fi defense that you know Jay Higgins and Nick Jackson in the Middle Sebastian Castro like all these really responsible vets kujan was in that defense obviously right and eight of of the 11 starters from last year I think are back this is a defense that has continuity you look at this script of what how Iowa had to play last year I mean just as a reminder they beat Iowa State 20-3 they beat Purdue 20 to4 they beat Wisconsin 15 to6 they lose to Minnesota 12 to10 they beat Northwest they beat Northwestern 10 to7 they beat Illinois 15 to13 they beat Nebraska 13 to10 they are const stantly playing walking on eggshells that like our offense does nothing for us I guess you can counter and say well wouldn't that want to make you more aggressive on defense I don't think they are coached to do that I think they are told never break because we might not score more than seven points today or nine points today 10 points today and I think it's hard as a safety to take chances when this is the environment you're in and I really am rooting for Iowa to be better offens ly Dante Trader Jr, Maryland this year because I think it'll bring out a different level to this already great defense who you got a five uh who do I have at five that would be my fellow laxbro Dante Trader oh no no no sorry I'm a dummy no no yeah I already said Sebastian Castro at six yeah Trader at five Trader at five oh that's that's okay all right all right so talk to me about trader because I don't have him in my top five another big projection guy he is a fascinating case Maryland safety 6 feet tall 190 lbs MH super athletic this is someone that started to that all 2022 and 2023 at safety for Maryland while he was also last year an All-American lacrosse player for Maryland yeah I read that he was the like the number three recruit he was top 10 in the country as lros yes top 10 in the country which is in like it's hard to put that into perspective for people unless you've you played lacrosse at a high level while like I I wasn't playing football and Lacrosse and like figuring I I can't relate to this but just thinking about it I the fact that he's doing both at college is not appreciated enough it is so insane to me that he is an All-American on an elite college program Maryland is a great college lacrosse program year after year after a year and then he's also the starting safety on the football team so why him at five is I think if he commits to football fulltime right all his problems are going to be M like really mitigated I mean his problems right now Trevor he takes the cheese on fakes like play development instincts are so raw it always feels like he's a step behind yeah he's still learning how to balance when to just unload his shoulder into someone versus wrapping up it's all fundamental aspects of the game he's so gifted athletically he plays so fast he plays with no fear he could play free he could play downhill that if he time comes he commits the football he's just as good as these other guys already but he's an All-American lacrosse player in at a great lacrosse school where in the spring while guys are putting on muscle trying to get faster trying to mentally prepare he's out trying to win a championship in a one of the craziest D1 Sports in the country yeah right like in the intensity level of a lacrosse season after a football season at the D1 college level is absurd it is absurd to me so Trader is he's a gem of a prospect because he is the big like you know what's in the box kind of thing like this this could be something really really fun and exciting yeah but I respect I respect it so much more that he's impacting their lacrosse team too because I I think it's a really unique path him being safety 10 for me going into the year I think should tell people the potential that this safety class has right that's a good point because I I focused on sort of where he is more than you kind of focused on what he could be when I have him at number 10 cuz I age like in his current state you could tell he's a really great allaround athlete really great body control good core strength fast fluid very balanced footwork I mean his back pedal is very smooth he can change direction very well he's got those long arms which you absolutely love but sometimes like tackling technique and again some play action some misdirection okay uh you know like this guy's passing through this zone now I'm taking him over or now I'm leaving it for you like those nuances of playing safety aren't there for him and if you were to take him in his currentc State and drop him into the NFL he'd get in a little bit of trouble so we definitely need to see more for him naturally in that way but for him to be safety 10 for me there are plenty of other years when even in his current state I'd be like yeah all right safety four safety five you know like I'll take this guy to believe in and I just think that there's this safety class is pretty deep as we're sitting here going into the preseason so I didn't have him in my top eight but I'm I'm actually glad that you got him in the show there one way or another because the lacrosse background is one that is incredibly interesting um and it makes him quite an interesting project or Prospect I should say and somebody who is going to be fun to follow throughout this college football season I don't think he's playing lacrosse anymore I think he just G to say Let me let me uh you know make it clear he's made it very evident football is his pathway because he played on their lacrosse team in 2023 yes yeah and he didn't his freshman year which I thought was funny I think it's interesting too like is he going to go back one more time in 2020 he's not obviously he's gonna be getting ready for the NFL draft but yeah I wanted to make that clear that so he didn't have a spring before his last season going into this year he will have what I believe is a full Spring football yes I should have been very evident about that we haven't seen him really play like that full commitment yet where now lacrosse is apparently out of the picture yeah we got there eventually and hey if he doesn't make it in the like if things go wrong two years three years into the NFL he'll go he'll legitimately go play professional across like it's always good to have a backup he's that he's that talented basically you know we we all get to that point in our you know in our lives where we go where we have a bad day at work at different stages though what you say at different stages some of us stop being athletes when we're 17 and then then some of us get to switch professional sports and when we're adults trador is that guy crazy he is all right so number number five me uh the man who I believe led the Xavier Watts, Notre Dame country last year in interceptions Xavier Watts from Notre Dame okay where'd you have Watts I had Watts at nine okay I I figured when we got to five and he wasn't five for you that he was probably just going to be outside of your top eight yeah he was right behind Rod Moore and I I really I'm excited to hear what you have to say about him because I almost put him over rod Moore like there was part of me that liked him more than Rod Moore but I can't quit the dude I yeah yeah that's that's Bally where I what it came down I watched I watched like five games of Xavier wats and I was telling myself like you don't really like this dude as much as you think and then I'd see a couple players I was like yes you do I could not quit Xavier Watts who is the he is a red shirt senior now at Notre Dame he has a safety he's got an interesting background so he's 5 foot 11 and a half 203 pounds that's 28th percentile and 35th percentile but right around 205 for a safety like it's not that big of a deal I mean if you go up to I just have this number right in front of me if you go up to 208 that's above the 50th percentile so it's a huge jump just because there's a lot of guys that really sit around 205 AT safety so 203 it's not a big deal just go to you know like Little Caesars get a get a whole hot and ready pizza you'll be at 205 in no time it's not a big deal so he was actually a fourstar wide receiver recruit back in 2020 that makes sense by the way appeared in two games as a true freshman and kind of struggled to get on the field as a wide receiver and then he transitioned over to the defensive side of the football for the next year they kind of like Tried Him linebacker sort of this like slot linebacker like a star position type of a linebacker they call it Rover and Notre Dame or at least they did back in 2021 I don't know if it's changed with the terminology with Marcus Freeman U being the head coach there but then he ended up becoming a safety and he played Safety in 2021 for 11 games then he had four starts at safety in 2022 and then he played in his started all 13 games last year won the Bronco nersi award is the best defender in the country while starting it safety for the first time as a full-time starter last year for Notre Dame he's just again I can't quit the guy I don't there there's there are times when I will Connor he was the most he was the most up and down roller coaster of a of of a scouting evaluation that I have and I when I say that I don't necessarily mean that he was making the greatest play I ever saw and then the worst play I ever saw it was more of like play byplay I'd say okay you're moving well enough to play safety at the NFL level and then there' be another play I'm like but are you you know like I I don't I I just like okay right I'd be like all right right literally that me that gif of you know like shaking your head and then like oh no that was that was me watching his tape because there were so many times when he'd be full speed and he'd look a little stiff to change direction the the routes be the pursuit angles would be a little bit more rounded I was like all right that's going to get you in trouble at the NFL level and then there'd be other times where he'd be in a backpedal or he'd Shuffle and he'd mirror a wide receiver and go okay that like that I like that part I liked and then of course you got the seven interceptions obviously the seven interceptions some of them were luck some of them were right place right time but then you've got the the the the Caleb Williams over the middle interception I don't know if you watch that one specifically at USC where he just takes a he recognizes this play so instantly that Caleb's going to throw this pass over the middle that he beins it straight and to be honest with you it's such a good play and it's such a good play by Watts I actually think it might have actually been out of structure of the defensive play that was called and I don't actually blame Caleb Williams that much for it because Caleb throws the ball basically where he should and watches where he shouldn't but it happened to be the exact right play and you go all right because that was one of the best plays that I've seen from a safety this year and he just he made it so I'm gonna list off some strength and weaknesses this is kind of what I got I thought that was his best game by the way I and I watched I didn't watch all of his games but that was the best one I watched where I was like oh like this was his standout performance I do as well he's at times he's got Twitchy movement skills like there are times when he really can stop and start really well good man coverage movement skills from the wide receiver background he op he understands how receivers move and he understands how to mirror them pretty well so when he's asked to play Man coverage whether it's an off man coverage or close to the line of scrimmage if he's going up against a tight end he can do it pretty well he can handle the threes on a trip side or whatever it is tackling is not as bad as the Miss tackle rate that he had last year which was like 18% I'm like dude what are we doing here but then I'm watching more of the film and I go okay yeah you missed the tackle but like if you had to make the tackle again I don't think you're going to miss it again it's just that you happen to guess a little weird there sometimes the movements can feel a little too fenetic with him he's got the wasted steps but Connor obviously there's an internal conflict with me here because I hear in your voice there are there are a bunch of pros and cons with Xavier watts and it'd be much easier if it was a lot more streamlined one way or the other but it's not and I think that that encapsulates why a fifth year red shirt senior did not declare for the draft after winning the Bronco nersi award great point I think the NFL probably also sees a lot of good a lot of bad and they don't really know what to do with it so we probably got an NFL draft Advisory Board grade and it might have been like an early day three grade but in reality I think that this player can be a day two type of safety we've just got to see more of the good than the bad this year we'll see it's that's a perfect summary of it it's funny how it's always funny to me when we watch the same players that are not tier one players but we see them the same but we stack them a little bit differently um Watts was intriguing to me but I I agree about the consistency and we'll see what he could do for his stock this year because that Notre Dam defense has a lot of NFL Talent on it by the way this year it really does yes yeah and I think that he's a part of it 100% so that he ended up at five for you right yep okay so Billy Bowman Jr, Oklahoma four for me and I feel like we're going to be really similar on this guy maybe is Billy Bowman Jr oh buddy yeah four no I got him a three okay it counts same close enough Bowman is really interesting because he's probably the smallest guy in this group he's 510 191 is I got him at 59 195 I would watching on tape I thought it was like it was like very dating app 510 listen we've all been there folks he's going to he's GNA be between 5'9 and 510 it might that's fine so Billy Bowman he the best way possible he really is a gnat around the ball it had some of that Vibes of like I don't think he's the same as Antoine Winfield but that style where it's you know a smaller guy in the back end that's just always around the ball in the run and pass game he is very quick when he goes into Ball Hawk mode sideline to sideline you can really see range with this guy where you could ask him to play single high could ask him to do a lot of things on the back end from a coverage perspective I really like the players's DNA Trevor there's an energy he brings to the field that stands out on tape that you kind of know he's trying to raise everybody around him and it's consistent quarter by quarter and I thought that it was just very obvious this is a guy that's clearly like a leader on that defense that really loves football and loves the grind of each play yeah there's some big weaknesses though with Billy Bowman right now and it's not the number one thing you know people are going to ask him how will his size affect him if at all but he missed 22 tackles in 2023 and no matter how you slice it that's an alarming number and I think some of it has come to balance issues I think some of it is his lack of size you know o he's over urgent at times it's just you got you really almost have to cut that number in half or else it's gonna significantly hurt your draft stock in my opinion I love Billy Bowman I I liked him I liked him a lot last year um before we got to the uh draft declaration date and he said that he was he was going back to Oklahoma I had him as I think he was safety2 okay behind behind Tyler nuben for me wow okay so and I think that he was still like around the 50s or 60s in my like overall Big Board rankings but and Tyler nubin was 28 I think so it's not like they were like super close but Bowman is the guy that I liked next from this safety group I mean he he his tape last year is so much fun he's got legit NFL range I actually I think that Billy Bowman's got the best range of any safety in this class I completely I completely agree like pure coverage skills yes roaming he's he's the best one right now yep I I think that he can get from the opposite hash all the way to the sideline better than any other safety can in this class his footwork is cornerback like and how he backpedals how he shuffles how he can mirror different wide receivers if he's asked to play Man coverage in the slot um he will come downhill for tackles now it is to be seen how effective he will be once he gets there but he is a willing run Defender he is urgent to help in run defense or at least put his body near where it needs to to fit the run and so I think that that is at least encouraging even though the run defense grade at 57.7 is not great and needs to be better this upcoming season the tackling strength is a consistent issue you know he's missing tackles High I think throughout his I think that we have seen that he gets a little bit overzealous and over aggressive with his pursuit to the ball whether the ball is in the air or whether it's in the hands of a ball carrier but Conor nine career interceptions like this dude is a ball Hawk he brings you the best plays of what you would want from a free safety it's got to be more reliable in run def in in run defense there's no doubt about it but he gives you the ceiling and it's again that is a player that I want to bet on somebody who has that kind of coverage ability it's what made quitting kin bollock so difficult for me and eventually like and eventually we got there right it was just like it was too much to overcome the tackling just did not get better for him but I think the Bowman is a more willing tackler um he just he he just needs to get as strong as he can be there's only so much weight that he's going to be able to put on his frame to be able to play that position the best way that he can but dude as a free safety I I think think that he is somebody that I want on my football team he's got the attitude of somebody that I want on my football team and he's got that mentality for takeaways with that athletic ability so I I love Billy Bowman he is uh he's he's he's gonna be one of my favorite players in college football this upcoming season yes I love it yeah I do agree with you on the coverage side of things if he just becomes a little bit more reliable tackling he's going to go in the top 50 I think honestly a baby let's go I love so I had WKA at three yes who did you have at I know you need to do four and then you could even transition at three weeks I already did my third safety right so I still have to list my number four guy uh and then we have the top two which I think are going to be the same but before I list my my fourth guy gotta shout out a couple of our friends you know gotta pay the bills here football season it's finally Upon Us been an interesting offseason to say the least no doubt about it got the Blockbuster trades got all sorts of trade rumors by the way as we in this podcast 49ers agreed to a deal with Brandon iuk so he's staying a San Francisco 49er you Kirk Cousins on the Falcons and then the draft Michael penx Junior little circus going on in Atlanta all kinds of stuff covering the NFL offseason it is it is always something that uh that you've got to listen to you like multiple Outlets to be able to cover it the way that you need to uh this season we will definitely be listening to a new podcast called the 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the licensed therapist and you you can switch therapist at any time with no additional charge just like leg day never skip therapy day with better help visit betterhelp.com NFLs to get 10% off your first month that is better help hp.com NFL lean Ransom do you watch him Ohio Lathan Ransom, Ohio State State yeah I've heard of him I watched him I had him at safety 10 sad sad it's good CL it really is good class good football player now I'm a little worried about lean Ransom right oh he he starts off pumping it like boasting pumping his chest out in the air and then he goes but I'm shaking in my boots coward all I might I might have screwed this one up so I got him at safety 4 but it's a big Health if with him so he's a red shirt senior going into this season one he's got good size six feet tall 208 pounds um but last year he got injured and it was a non contct Liz Frank tear in his foot Liz Frank injuries nothing to play with it's not great it could even derail some promising football careers we have seen that in the past it's not a kiss of death but it's something that you got to watch out for he's healthy now he's going to start the season so we're good to goall in theory but a reason why I like Ransom is because of that athleticism he's got great s eyes which I already mentioned but he pairs that with fluidity great long speed the recovery speed is there how quickly and smoothly he can flip his hips like a corner this is safety coming downhill in the in the slot and I got I got so much faith in this dude to cover guys in the slot more so than a lot of other safeties that I watched in this group I just feel like the combination of athleticism the tackling is very uh it it's very reliable um does not shy away from taking on blocks takes a lot of pride in doing what exactly he needs to do in the Run game so he's got a good run defense grade 72.1 last year because of it I think the range is good because of that athleticism it's not quite like what is for Billy Bowman or the guy that's going to be number one that I'm going to talk about a little bit but to me there is so much to like about him because he moves like a corner in a lot of ways except for he's six feet tall and over 200 lounds it just we don't often get defensive backs that are like that so he's got a little bit more of a slender build but it's okay because I think that his play style lends itself to that with how well he moves in coverage how much range that he covers and the fact that he is still pretty Fearless when it comes to run defense so you're GNA want him in space more than you're going to want him near the Box just because of the build and I think he's got good eyes in run defense but when you play him close to the line of scrimmage like yeah that is where he can get blocked up a little bit some of the guys that just have a little bit more weight on him naturally push him around a little bit more but at least he's willing he's in the right spot he knows how to disengage blocks when guys aren't really overpowering but it really Conor to me it comes down to that foot injury if he comes back the same version that we saw last year I'm pretty pumped about that I think that could be a top 75 type of a player top 75 type of a safety so I got him at number four for everything that he could bring to table with his athletic ability yeah you have to it's kind of he was in the similar bucket to me as Rod more that I just loved some of the athleticism and movement natural movement back there it's just that you brought up the injury that's going to be a big thing to watch physicality is going to be a big thing to watch so uh as you just hear Gracie going nuclear I apologize to everybody no Grace no graci is's a big fan of lean Ransom she's literally enraged with me that LE Ransom was not in my top eight so my apologies yeah graci's on my side I can hear it I can hear it in the bar she's like please listen to me or she's proving further to everybody that I actually am being held hostage yeah she she's she's telling everybody out there uh well she's telling you actually that you've got to you've got to be able to figure it out because if your takes are wrong Conor then you can't buy her toys and that's really what that's really what the bark is all about that's that's what we're talking about here so look Gracie knows ball that's that's all I'm trying to say she doesn't like toys hey girl you want to say hello no okay doesn't like toys 100 pound dog that doesn't like toys can you figure out how to can you figure out how to entertain a 100 pound grap wait like like not a ball not a rope nothing I like once in a while I'll throw her a tennis ball and she'll go get it like once or twice wow no nothing she's understand it's got to be food related or just or just running the amount of 40 yard dashes I have done aching every following day is uh yeah that's it just no no frills like remember when JJ Watt boasted that he was like I'm working out this offseason we have no electricity ands then it turned out being like a super Palace like Gracie actually takes that to heart she's like pure pavement pure speed and like literally just raw kibble so wide open road baby I love it safety three for you safety four for me no but who is safety three for you Billy Bowman I forgot yeah we went out of order we did yeah yeah Ryan I mean Ryan our producer is just you know sweating profusely he doesn't know what's coming next we are absolutely playing D jeno at the safy we're throwing we're throwing a Tim Wakefield knuckle ball and then it's a Paul schemes heater and then it's a i who threw the out my who who threw the Eis pitch I don't Cas something he was was he was with the Rays go 60 miles an hour yeah I don't even really understand what it is somebody explained to me they're like oh yeah it's the epas pitch it's like how do you just invent a new pitch what are you talking about you could do whatever you want honestly when it comes to baseball but they took out the sticky stuff all right so trying to find check this one out Bill Spaceman Lee Ru and ephus referred to as the leaf or the space ball or the moonball this is so good this is so good you know you come for the summer scouting but you stay for the eephus pitch analysis you really do that's how you how you get here all right who' you have it to I don't know if you're gonna be Malaki Starks, Georgia surprised I had I had Mal I had Mal Starks at you Starks at two I have Starks at two and I am I the only man in draft media that doesn't have Starks one probably probably I don't know if I'm being booed off the stage right now or tomatoes are being thrown at me or there's somebody out there that's just holding their fist up and yelling yeah or yeah like I really don't know I hope well they're back it into their parking spaces yeah no we don't align with with those people but you do now you do now I am that guy I am the backing of Malai Starks it too okay about you all right so Malachai Starks true Jr from Georgia uh you think he's undraftable tell us why yeah undraftable 61 205 Jr uh believe he was a former five star I know he's a big shocking George land a big recruit how did they do it yeah tough three picks last year seven pass breakups five tfls an awesome player really an awesome player I think he's going to end up in my top 40 on my big board maybe even higher and so is the guy ahead of him obviously so the fact two safeties I I was looking last year when you brought up the conversation about where Bowman would be for you and I had forgotten not only I didn't have a first round grade on a safety I had a second round grade on nuben and then I didn't have anyone else grade in the first two rounds I had a couple third rounders so this class is a big upgrade like to put in perspective so I had nuben with a a two Bullard Hicks kinchin and Bishop with late third rounders let me look if I was throwing grades for summer Scout scouting I'd have the guy ahead of starks and Starks at least with second round grades and think they could play their way into the first I'd have WKA with a second round grade Bowman with a fringe second or third like that's totally different from last year yeah I had I gave nuben a late first early second round grade okay I gave kayn Bullock a late second early third and then every t uh drien Taylor demerson ended up being safety three for me I gave him a third and everybody else was a fourth or oh no no I I did have Jaden Hicks also had a late second early third so but yeah I'm with you I would have Malachi Starks Kevin Winston Jr Billy Bowman Jr All Above whoever was my safety 2 last year I'm with you yeah it's right exactly it's just a totally different level of talents so I want to put that that in perspective so it doesn't seem like I'm just nuking Starks who's uh a really great player free safety in the Box slot Corner special teams good at everything literally good at everything fluid mover change of Direction skills are phenomenal puts clamps on targets going over the middle like when a tight end really tries to run over the middle he's he's sticky he's in the Hip Pocket he's aggressive at the catch point he's a really clean tackler when he takes the right Pathway to ball carriers my number one question good caveat right there my number one yeah I'll tell you why he's not my number one safety he consistently takes questionable angles that pop up on tape and it's it hurts him at times in the SEC it would really be a problem in the NFL today and he can clean this up but I I think it's a way bigger issue than people are acting like he's like the next great safety Prospect than he could be he's not today until that because surrendering the big play with bad angles is it's just a non-negotiable for a first round safety to me and I saw it happen quite a bit on on tape last year that is the really frustrating part about him is the weaknesses I have I have two little bullet points in his weaknesses movement skills can look at Tad out of control at times right and he can be a little too aggressive in his Pursuit angles and that shows up and the rest of what he brings to the table lower weight number but a well-built safety long wingspan for passes broken up top speed is very imp impressive he has a sprinter background he ran the 100 meter dash in 1055 in high school and he had a long jump of almost 25t constant pre- snap Communicator smooth fluid hips to maximize his range and deep coverage sound tackler like you said once he gets there Elite ball skills somebody who could really play the ball once it is in the air there is so much about Malachi Starks that is fantastic he just doesn't take the best pass to the ball and gets burned for it I don't know why it's not a onetime thing it's not it was more than I thought it was going to be I have him at safety one but I it sounds weird saying this but like I liked him less than I thought I was going to because I had to account for how many plays in which I just didn't think that he read it right or he misjudged his own speed he misjudge the ball carrier speed whatever it was and I was kind of surprised because with his best plays I he could judge things beautifully but there were more reps than I was expecting to see where he just he just misjudged how he needed to get to the ball yeah that's I mean we can't emphasize this enough he's a really good player and he's a special athlete yeah I have a first- round grade on him he's my safety one exactly but like that it's a it's a red flag that he has to clean up or he will not go in the first round in my opinion or it would be a mistake if he did if it's if that weakness is the same amount of an issue going into the draft but I think it will improve this year I really do otherwise I wouldn't have him ranked even this High where he's like I said he's gonna be in the top 40 on my big board he might be in my top 30 I have Kevin byard as the early comp for him thought because they have the same body type pretty similar build byard's a little bit thicker than he is but like both dudes really good ball production really good ball skills know where the ball is going to be able to go get takeaways really good athletes I think that I I think that when I when I was watching him I was like this is pretty Kevin berish to me I see that one the comp that I'm working with um so he's safety one for me so Kevin Winston Jr from Penn State Kevin Winston Jr, Penn State safety1 he might be one of my five favorite players in this from Summer scouting and it's not when I always say favorite players it's like there's just something about them you just love doesn't mean he'll be a top five player on my big board because for a safety to do that I don't even know what they would have to do it's they'd have to have Inspector Gadget arms and run 42 at this point Kevin Winston Jr it's weird to say this about a player from Penn State but might be one of the best kept secrets in the country right now I don't really know why he's not treated like he's a star not gonna lie didn't know anything about him before I got exercise is a really good football player it is wild how good he is and so you just all right so let's let's just jump right into the player as a whole so Kevin Winston Jr he's a safety for Penn State 6125 same listed as uh Malachai Starks he's a team captain he's one of the best tacklers I've ever evaluated at the safety position for his age for his age for his age like based on his age where he is now not like comparing him to somebody starting in the NFL today because that's not fair basically a a underclassman summer scouting safety because he's a junior right he is true Junior he's a true Junior yeah his his tackling as a sophomore is maybe the best I've seen for safety he's uh urgent smart aware yeah he doesn't miss tackles he understands how to rap he understands how to hit he understands how to come to B he's you could either come to balance or you can't he's tremendous at coming to balance he wants to stick his nose in every single play and the reason why that meshes so well with him is because his he's so unique at coming to balance that he has the urgency to be in every play and he has the balance to be in every play some guys don't have the other so if you're really urgent and want to be in the play you can overrun the play but if you know how to come to balance sometimes you're so worried about breaking down and comeing to balance you're too late to the play I think Winston Jr is so phenomenal at meshing the two together and I think he has a complete six sense around the line of scrimmage there was plays I saw him making the run where he knew ex he literally knew exactly what the offense was going to do he knew exactly what gappy had to go through he knew exactly what the Run concept was inside outside I think he's really responsible in coverage right now I want to see him make more plays this year it's the same conversation as WKA that if Winston has four picks this year where he turns the tides of a game he's a no-brainer first rounder no-brainer yeah he's got one career interception right now you need need to do that to be a first round safety and that's why I don't have a safety necessarily in the locked into the first round but he's really smart in coverage like he doesn't allow big plays really I'm I'm probably gonna have Winston Jr and Malachy Starks in most of my mock drafts that I do I I I'm trying to unpack this Trevor and you kind of hinted at this I don't know if I liked him so much because of the surprise Factor or if he's just that good it's probably both I guess I I had heard so much about Starks and I thought he was really good but I was shocked at the one red flag I'd written down with Winston Jr I knew almost nothing about him and I'm watching the tape and I'm like this guy's one of the best defenders in the country on the back end right now and he's so consistent for his age and athletic and smart that I was just so pleasantly surprised yeah I mean he he he checks a lot of of box of what you want from PFF grades too right like he plays mostly at free free safety or in the slot um which I love and he had a 77.9 coverage grade at free safety 72.4 grade in the slot and even in the Box it was 69.9 so almost a 70 coverage grade when he was in the box as well 90.6 run defense grade that goes to like he just does not miss tackles he really is he's he's not somebody who's going to let you down and run defense at all despite coming from depth a lot of times from the free safety spot he's got one career interception but his forc in completion percentage was 20% last year and that's a much more stable metric that's 97 percentile for safeties so I immediately looked to see if he was on Bruce felman's freak list and he's not and I'm kind of shock he not one because he plays at Penn State and it feels like every single Penn State player would be but again like I I'm nobody's talking about this dude three star recruit like Penn State gets five and four stars in their SL three star recruit dad played football at James Madison yep uh seems like a real casual guy likes to swim and ride bikes in his spare time I did see that in the bio I did see that it's like this guy showed up and everyone was like who the hell is this and why is he so good yeah you know I this was the initial kind of comp that came to my head and um I fleshed it out and it actually like it does make sense but I feel bad because it's like a pen State pen State connection so people are like oh you're just watching the Jersey but like I know where you're going his play style is jaquin brisker it's 100 and he looks like brisker in pads right like just the the aesthetic but the good part about brisker is exactly what you said about like coming to balance brisker would go full force at you but he would stay in control so that when he got to the ball carrier he'd hit you in the mouth like he'd be able to lay the shoulder on you and and that's what Kevin Winston Jr does I have a first round I have it so obviously like these are are there's a lot that has to play out so they're not solidified at all but like I have an early preseason first round grade on Malachi Starks I have a late first early second on Kevin Winston Jr so like he's right there for me again like this is somebody who I and I think that if he gets more takeaways in the passing game and I would say even if it's not in the form of interceptions even if it is once again the forced in completion percentage is high I'm gonna bump up his ball skills and he's probably going like my formula is going to spit out from his film grade it's gonna spit out like a first round grade so I I genuinely think that we could get at least two safeties in this class right now that would have been safety one in last year's draft yes they're just more athletic I loved nuben but I but Starks and Winston are more athletic players than him yes and D so is Bowman and like Bowman also so is Bowman so is WKA a five star Wonka the sa class is good it's a good group it's a good group to close our summer scouting on I'll tell you that yep yep we love you guys thank you so much for for watching the entire summer scouting Series this is a blast for us we had we had more people watch the summer scouting Series this year than any year that we have done this and by crazy margin it's not even close yeah like sometimes that naturally just comes from getting some more subscribers through draft season people stick around but like you guys really have stuck around and I can't tell you how much that means um it's it's just it's so cool to not only be able to do this at the depth that that we've gone through this particular summer scouting but also hear the back and forth between you guys read all the comments read what you guys are saying whether you agree or disagree with us but also like some of you have thrown in some of your scouting reports for players in the comments your rankings and that's what we love the most and so from quarterbacks all the way to safeties thank you guys so much for getting involved it has made the summer fly by for me I hope the same with you Connor because this has been uh so much fun for me to do next on the list is completing the big board it's oh I get like a little like it's kind of like a kid on Christmas Eve I dude I what motivated me to get safeties done I thought say to get out of bed what what motivates me to live what motivates me to stay alive is the fact that we're recording this obviously on a Thursday so this is going to come out Thursday evening at some point maybe Friday morning I don't know because it's we're recording it late but tomorrow is Friday tomorrow my big project is to completely update the PFF big board with all the summer scouting that we have done through offense and defense I think I'm going to have like 150 175 players on there they're all going to be I'm going to update that sometime throughout the day on Friday or Friday evening it's all going to be updated and ready for you guys to look at and reference and for us to adjust throughout the college football season as college football kicks off this weekend so I'm super excited to get to that are you doing a are you doing a formal Big Board we're planning the show on the show we're we're right now we are fully planning the show on the show are you doing a formal big board or should we do like the big board episode next week or something what do you want to do I think we'll we'll do the big board episode next week where we each arrive with our top 50s yeah you want to do top 50s and we build the nflc board combining our boards together yes which is if you ever want to see two mock draft dummies do as much math as they can to figure out how to mesh these tune in you won't want to miss it it's the funniest thing we do it's an absolute disaster yeah at the end it's so beautiful it's it's all right so so we'll do that episode yeah uh I won't leave my house this weekend okay I won't even I won't even acknowledge my wife I have a big board to build wow wife Flex Flex oh you like that yeah yeah the wife the wife Flex guy get guy gets married at the beginning of the summer and now he's just trying to flex on all us okay so why don't we do she's my fiance again what you got downgraded you got relegated when my girlfriend gets home from work you get relegated to fiance we'll see if you can climb back up next year my friend with benefits we'll see how that one goes she'll she'll really appreciate that that'll go over great so let's do the bigboard episode for our early episode next week and then I don't know if we're going to do the mock draft episode on Thursday it's got to be a it's got kick off a week right yeah but mock draft okay should you um wow this is this is a tough scene welcome to the boardroom folks where we do we do the mock draft on Monday and then like the big board on Wednesday I don't know something feels wrong about that but right I think we we could do the big board and then just do the mock draft later in the week people are going to click on the mock we're going to do the mock draft that got out of bed right on Wednesday so we're do the big board episode for Monday and then we'll do the mock draft on like Wednesday or Thursday sure I'd like to do it Wednesday if we can but I we'll do it earlier in the week than we normally will do an episode because we know everybody will want to ride that high of the big board and Thursday Night Football God that's nuts that's Thursday Night Football yeah I got something else crazy for you you ready for it Friday Night Football baby I know in Brazil Eagles right is that the it's the peacock game I'm a company man Matthew Barry says that on our show all the time and now I've just stolen it it's got to be Packers Eagles the Friday night game it's Eagles it's Eagles you're right what time what time is that game since well no Brazil's not like in Asia boy I that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever said on the podcast what time is that game brail Eastern Standard Time south of us I believe they are believe it is yeah and I know there's actually a a nice contingent of Brazilian listeners to this show so I apologize for my absolute moronic statement of thinking your time zone could be like in the Pacific anyways the game's on at 8:15 Easter yeah 8:15 AM it's on at 8:15 a.m. on your alarms for 3:00 am not because the time zone changed they just feel like playing it then so there we go thank you guys so much for watching and listening we really appreciate it uh if you stuck around this long you're true addicts we love you thanks for hanging out with us all summer we're going to have a lot of really great content for you throughout the season we're you know we'll do some NFL stuff like I saw some people in the comments who were like hey you know I like the draft but I don't really get into it until draft season but I love you guys podcast can you do more NFL stuff we're gonna have we we have a mix throughout the season you know like we'll do obviously some natural NFL coverage yeah we'll cover the rookies plenty be able to you know take our scope around the league but we do want to keep a lot of what we do here on this show NFL draft Centric because we know that that's what you guys come here for that kind of analysis uh and we want to try to be quite frankly best podcast in the world that covering the NFL draft that's right that's the goal you know that's what we that's definitely what we want to do we appreciate you you'd have to kill me I will not stop until this draft this draft podcast is the best at covering the draft in the world yeah and then the day after that you won't have to get out of bed no I'll just be there forever so that's it but if it's number one I will I will restr yeah then you can rest and now I finally rest like Thanos you know and now I finally rest look upon look upon a great draft universe and tell tell us what you like from the show like some people really like the fixing Team Series some people really like our rookie breakdowns which we're going to do all that no matter what yeah but if you really like one thing more than the other we're doing two shows a week now so there's more room for suggestions and Fun Stuff uh what do we call our show with where we would hold up the paper no notes no notes is I have so much fun with no notes we might need to do like bonus episodes of no notes you know yeah yeah it's it's good and we could even let like listeners decide some of the topics via DMS yes yes yes yes it's going to be dude I'm so excited about this season it's gonna be so much fun to watch and Scout college football we've got a lot we've got even more flexibility this year to do all different kinds of shows on this channel which I'm really excited for and you guys are just a part of it as just as much of a part of it as we are so like Connor said please let us know what you want to see more of and we'll try to make it happen because this is a show of the people I'm Trevor sck about that is Conor thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast see you guys next week [Music]