Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid | “Small Price to Pay for Beauty”

all right welcome back to another episode of real Chumps where movies we're talking about movies feels like hanging out with friends I'm one of your hosts Danny Rubio uh and usually with me as always is Marcel but we forgot to record the intro at the studio so uh you just get me today for the intro but the rest of it is going to be Marcel and I chatting we are going to be discussing Butch Cassie and the Sundance Kid directed by George Hill written by William Goldman starring Paul Newman Robert Redford cathine Ross and more in this episode you're going to watch marel helping me understand why Butch cidy is truly an iconic film due to the fact that it starts the Buddy action movie genre and it's and it it is one that we should cherish more often than we do so we hope that by the end of it you want to go run to watch this movie watch it and love it as much as we uh ended up doing we also discussed a lot of the beautiful cinematography uh some of the interesting themes and other motives in this film uh and just overall talk about uh why this movie is great if you want to join in on the conversation you can follow us on social at real Chums wherever you do your socials but we do most of our stuff on YouTube uh where you can go youtube.com/ Chums uh where you can subscribe and catch us doing TR reactions uh movie news uh initial Impressions when we can get to them and the Pod with that being said uh let's roll that intro [Music] welcome back Marshall uh dude I have the question the day all right go what was the first uh Robert Redford film that you watched the first Robert Redford film I watched I'm pretty sure was spy games with Brad Pit 1998 no it was after 98 uh 2001 Spy game I don't know if I can name the first one the first one I truly like immortalize is All the President's Men uhuh but who doesn't which I eventually I'm pretty sure like one of my junior high or High School teachers was like oh you guys should watch this movie right and I think that's when I ended up watching it uh all the president men but yeah my first movie my first Robert Redford movie was Spy game although my parents owned um a river runs through it yeah okay and I remember being like this movie is boring as a 9-year-old right 10-year-old so I did not put too much attention to a river runs through it I should probably go back and watch that um but spy G I'm like oo Spy game like and has rad pit and whatnot and these two look identical like and then my mom also like confessed like how she's still to this day just think robber reford is just the hottest man alive you're not a I think my my mother-in-law and I don't think my mom's ever said anything about Robert Redford but she might also think he's good-looking but I mean he's he's still really great looking dude he's Robert Redford dude like he looks great he looked great back then he looks great now for real you know what uh I think I might have seen him in the horse whisper not like at when it came out but like at some point after the fact horse whisper the horse whisper one 1998 um yeah I do remember Spy game though it took me a second to to to clock it but I was like oh yeah it was a it's a Tony Scott film it's good actually uh I don't think it was well liked at the time but it it picked up a lot of momentum over the years and I I really like it um from what I remember I haven't seen it in a decade or two but yeah you know we talk a lot about this but like Robert Redford is one of those those actors um that I think we is one of those ones you're like we don't know we didn't see his his his growth right but this man like he put in work literally he put in so like he I mean he was known for Broadway mhm um but Butch Cassidy to till so six you know he did three movies in ' 69 dang uh 72 he did another three movies he did two movies in 73 one movie in 74 two movies in 75 uh 76 77 79 and just kept freaking Cruising bro uh sneakers that's that's not my first one but it is a very cherished film I haven't seen sneakers oh my goodness bro I you would love it it's a it's a heist film okay it's it's uh 92 this is you've got uh uh Dan eoy Sydney berter Joe marah dude it just it is it's a killer cast the story is just class it's such good 9s film it is topnotch okay uh I'm going to have to watch this you should watch it this weekend do it yeah yeah okay I want to do it um yeah actually after watching this and we recently saw him in um Winter Soldier we did Winter Soldier a couple weeks ago I always forget that he's in that yeah and I was just like ah I need to I need to add more Robert Ratford in my life um yeah because he's just great I I want him I want to see him more in some I want to I just want to I want him to see do something he's retired now yeah but he's retired in his last movie that he did um like official I mean yeah he was in Avengers endgame very briefly but the old man and the gun um this was like a like a passion project of his directed by David Lowry who I I absolutely love but um yeah this was his last movie and it's based on a true story of this old 70-year-old guy who does a string of heists um and and just the public falls in love with him because he's just this old man he's he's super nice and caring when he when he Robs a Bank and like people are just like okay fine like here we go uh it's he was incredible in this movie I absolutely love it you saw it yeah yeah the old man in the gun it was his last movie he and he said yeah this is my last one I'm I'm done after this is it interesting that he ended his his like career with this another robbery film where he got a his start in film with Butch Cassidy and the suance kid was that that wasn't his his big headit Butch Cassidy and the suance kid I thought it was I thought I thought like when I thought it was he no I mean he had done the chase in 66 [Music] um and then Barefoot in the Park I've heard people love that movie but I I've never seen it um which was in ' 67 yeah and Butch Cassidy and the sence kid came out in ' 69 I think that's probably the movie that like really like gave him okay solidified his solidi his his his role or his movie startup yeah yeah okay I'll I'll go with that with that said though let's jump into Butch Cassidy and the sance kid so again uh we're continuing our monthlong look into Classics we've never seen this was my this is one of my options for people to vote uh again thanks to everyone on social media who cast their votes and here we are doing Robert Redford it's uh and and Paul Newman's uh take on this but which is funny because the I I put up four movies for people to vote and the two movies that came with the most votes was this Butch cassid and S then's kid and the sting so we are doing two Paul Newman movies and in Robert Redford movies back to back for it so yeah I guess my wish of wanting to watch more Robert Redford's coming true so thank you everyone that voted for that um I've never seen this I understood the love people have for it and and I think this is one of those movies that I've seen so many clips of uh every time back in like the 2000s when I would watch um what's the one the Time Warner classic Channel yeah okay and there were interiew interviewing someone and they would bring up oh I love this movie because of X Y andz I knew how the movie ended the iconic final shot of them coming out and just the cool pose and everything like that has been immortalized in my in my mind for decades I and I but I just had never gotten around to it for whatever reason I think a couple of reasons maybe like I just one this wasn't this wasn't like a movie that was constantly playing growing up uh two I don't like I don't know how easily accessible it was on DVD I'm sure it was um and three I've also talked about like how I feel about westerns um which same my love for westerns has increased ever since we started this podcast because we've been doing more and I I I I think we're just choosing really good ones um but I also know like I knew of like the important historical context with in this his relationship with Paul Newman um and and and just the success that this brought for him so I had that in mind but that's kind of it and let me just well let me what's your relationship with this and then I'll tell you my initial thoughts look I started this film and I think I had seen I think I realized this might have been my first watch as well oh okay um I had seen Clips because I think it had been on TV um and I remembered uh some of the the bike scene for whatever reason I had that I'm like oh the bike scene with raindrops falling on your head playing in the background yeah we're going to get into it okay you just wait but the ranger you know the the bike scene and then there was a and then uh some of the the Bolivia like uh like heisting scen moments um but I don't think I I don't remember ever seeing it from beginning to end and so this is my first I I'm going to consider this my first watch okay um I it is a classic I understand why it's a classic but I don't love it what no I I have we're going to get into it okay wow you don't love it it is um I think for did you did you love Citizen Kane last week that we did after ruminating after uh ruminating and getting through an our conversation and thinking back and watching a couple moments again yeah I did yeah yeah and I would consider it um I would put it on my like if I want to put classic films I'm going to put it as one I'm going to watch for sure um this one I definitely would watch again because there's like the the the banter Alone um is top-notch yeah yeah it is uh legendary uhhuh but when I look at it the film of the whole I don't love it I know I cannot believe this dude okay I my goal for this episode is to convince you why this is a really good movie and why I love this look we talked about um 310 to Yuma and how I just felt like this this is westerns yeah okay okay this this is the iconic and we'll talk into it we'll talk about it the iconic buddy action movie okay CU here's here's here's where I think maybe my dilemma is at what the hell is this movie really about I think I think my problem is is I would we go into these musical moments these these musical like uh intermissions yes and I would get I'm like what just am I did did I take a left turn in freaking in Elsa [Laughter] gundo uh no okay let's let's jump right into it let's talk about 1969 okay uh we we did Alien a couple weeks ago also came out in 69 um this is late 60s early' 70s is what's introducing a new era of Cinema and and if for for those of you that are out there wanted to learn more there's lots of books out there about America Cinema and and the history of it all but this is just a very iconic time we're soon going to have the jaws of the world that that that um introduced the Blockbuster idea of movies right uh Star Wars is right around the corner and in sorry not aliens did not come out 1969 1979 uh my bad I was I was waiting for you to get there I didn't want to interrupt you you you on a roll but but this is an iconic time so 1969 you are ending the the time of the Spaghetti Westerns right the The Good the Bad and the Ugly um those iconic Clint Eastwood and and many other uh Spaghetti Westerns and this movie comes in right during that transitional phase and for me this movie is all about change change is the enemy here and and let's start off with the opening scene okay I love this opening scene I love and you could talk more a little bit about this but like that coloring the yeah yeah the Aged film with the film Real sound that's what you're talking about right oh but the when when uh when um Sundance is in the bank okay and he walks in right oh and he's looking around Brown and is it Sundance or is it Butch it's Butch it's Butch yeah that's right uh and he says and that opening line sets this tone for the whole movie he looks around the bank and he says what happened to the old bank and then the bank teller tells him oh we've had a couple robberies we've had to make some changes uh upgraded our security blah blah and then he says something along the lines of um a small price to pay for beauty this just sets the tone for what we're in in here here's a man who has an idea of what his life life is how he robs Banks and he has it down to a formula right he he knows how to do it he's been at this game for for years and now all of a sudden that's being changed he is not as confident even though we come to know him as this very smart witful W wted leader that changes the tone and that sets the tone I mean for for the movie that this movie is about change both as Outlaws okay um as Spaghetti Westerns uh America Cinema with its approach to westerns this movie is about change and how change essentially affects Butch and and and and the Sundance Kid okay if I you're right I can see that I don't know how I missed it it honestly I think I I think I was caught up um in the opening I mean the opening sequence is great it's beautiful I even in my notes I wrote I would be perfectly okay if the movie was in this tone like that coloring well so so I think part of it like they they went with a dark they went I mean they um I don't know if they was a they went with a filter or if they went um if they like decolored the process I mean they doing a film and I don't know how to film but like you know desaturating uh in post or you know going there but they also shot high contrast I mean Low Low Like very um back lit um you've got Rim lighting all over the place for different sequences So you you're like heavy Shadows to the side you're it it's it's such a like powerful uh opening like tone and and setting the stage for what some of that is um and it's this nod to to Spaghetti Westerns right that you have it it's not a black and white but you have this tone this yellowish muted orange color and then as he writes off it changes into modern colorization right as we are about to embark on this journey of change and and and here like this is what I love about this movie is that it's very self-aware of it you don't have the classic um traditional spaghetti western musical score you're right y right you don't you don't have anything like that it's very orchestral very happy you have the random uh bicycle scene that you were talking about so the movie is aware of what it's doing and saying yeah this isn't a spaghetti western you have the two main leads who run away like the movie takes Spence 20 25 minutes of these guys just running away you never see that from a Clint Eastwood uh John Wayne Macho Western right and so like the movie is aware of westerns of spaghetti westerns of the stoic heroic Western Mel Macho Cowboys and it's doing the opposite by no these guys are just buddies they're we're going to see this chemistry on here they're going to run away because they got caught now because it everything's changing for them and we're going to take this Western on a whole different path okay um all right I've reframed my mind for this film uh I I truly don't I don't know how I missed this I I really don't I just I think I said this last week these these older films I part of it is um this was a time it's just the pacing on it is way slow um for me at like at times and I think that for me when as I was watching I just like I get lost I get lost and kind of like what's happening again where are we at no way no I listen I'm not saying no I'm saying this is my experience uh but I definitely see the underlying um idea of change yeah right um and it's you know like both for and what they're trying at the ultimate end at the end of it is how how Butch and Cassidy or Butch and Sundance are trying to navigate this change and how the entire film is them just trying to discust what does that look like you know the moment on the on the porch of them maybe we just we go we go straight and we we uh we go join We join in the for the Army and we fight yeah and become you know we'd be we'd be generals we'd be generals or what is that what say yeah uh and and then later you know just the this like oh maybe we you know let's let's try to let's go straight or like let's go get a job sort of thing uh and trying to find their way way yeah of of you know moving forward and and and going about that but also even like the like trying to figure out if they can settle down and even at the very end right they're they're cornered in uh and again like full spoilers their head uh they're cornered they can't escape they're in that little building and and and Cassidy gets this great idea of like you want me to tell you my next great idea it's because of your girl ideaas that we're in this mess right says uh Sundance but he even says let's go to Australia like it's time for a change okay let's go to Australia and in this idea of of what America Cinema has been around western films and eventually why I I don't I'm not saying that they went extinct but like they weren't as big money makers anymore um how do you embrace that change and is change always the solution or is it adapting right these are individuals who couldn't adapt to this new world right and and and the movie takes place what in like the late 1890s right yeah so it isn't like 1840s 1850s like the real big time of like westerns and all that stuff like this is western expansion of like you know the the cowboy and and um uh you know trying to uh you know homesteading in in the west like that it's not that we're we're here at the turn of the century right and and and so much is happening and how do you do do we need to change or do we need to adapt and these are two individuals that weren't able to adapt they tried to change and and in the end it didn't it didn't uh work out for them I think we get this 100% in the fact that um they are trying to be taught by uh Katherine Ross playing at a place they're she's trying to teach him Spanish that truly is some of the best moments I mean you me you me both man like you're just like freaking Ringo I just love that they go first there and they don't know what to do and then they they cuts to them being back with Eda and it's like all right we need to learn how to rob a bank in Sp well I love the line she's like you know you have a very fine like uh vocabulary for for what you're trying to do here and then it's like uh you know like get him on the floor you know no you know what you read it that that first robbery scene he's like no I'm already I'm already I've already said that go to the next line I just love it is that when you texted me hey dude I'm cracking up dude I know I was cracking up too I just could it I I think like it look this movie the thing to me is like when dialogue is happening it is Punchy it is strong it knows exactly what it wants to do I think it's it's some of those in between moments that like again that I was getting I would get lost in sure in in like what like why do we have to have like a 25 minute long chase scene of the the bandits and them trying to run away from these Bandits but it's cuz they're run away from their from having to change and except exactly but I love those seeds just cuz like the whole time uh uh sundan is just like who are these guys who are these guys yo it's like they shouldn't made you know Butch Cassidy and S kid wondering who are these guys and it's just so funny cuz they they Cassidy comes up with these plants every single time let's let loose the the horse or uh the one guy at the one town he'll he'll fight for us um and and it just they continue to realize that that the law has advanced and adapted to Modern Times And they have not been able to right even though they've been able to get away with it for years now it's catching up to them I maybe I don't know where where do you want to go for this I was going to I was going to mention something I loved mention I I I love the every single um train robbery scene at the like you know in the first part of the ACT mhm uh you know they come in uh he's trying he's having freaking put just having a conversation with the Woodcock Woodcock Woodcock is my favorite dude my favorite he's just coming in he's like come on Woodcock just open the door and and then coming in with like the amount like the amount of explosives for and and then coming back again and doing even more explosives oh just it was it's truly my favorite is the second robbery uh and they're loading it up with with uh with explosive and Woodcock says Butch you know that if it were my money there is nobody that I would rather have steal it than you that's right but you see I am still in the employment of eh Herman of the Union Pacific Railroad I just love Woodcock he is funny he add uh he's this bumbling Nemesis almost but not he's just like the minion of of Herman right um and it's just great I I want to talk a little bit about the the Pinker tints or this posy that's out to get them right yeah yeah I don't they're they're not Pinker tins no they're not pink they they were hired by Herman right um so they're just another posy I just consider them the tombstone gang that's what I just kept picturing it's just it's like this is Tombstone before they became tomb Stone uhhuh uh and or like after they're like finishing them they're like let's do one last [Laughter] job um but these scenes I actually if we don't have time to do like scene breakdowns but I would have love to get your opinions on like those long shots yeah dude they're beautiful and from from the time that we see the train coming from far away right we just see the smoke and and this like I love that like the buildup to this they've they've blown up the train there's money all over they used Too Much Dynamite I actually I was actually sorry I just want to interrupt you on this one when that that explosion happened I'm like did they like accidentally accidentally put too much B Dynamite for the actual for this for this movie film like it felt like truly like it almost broke the fourth wall for me okay and like oh crap was that too much T of and it's supposed to be funny but a point where you're like oh wait is everyone okay in this I legit it just felt like like it was almost like it was uh because it part of it is because it's real yeah I mean they did full on special effects for that like it's a whole thing um anyways but I also all the look I'm telling you from the beginning of this film I I got caught up in cinematography yeah which is I think that's what it won an Oscar for I could be wrong though go on yeah so but like like you said you know the the billowing smoke from this train like it and it stopped like they're they're waiting for the end up position like what's going to happen and then we get we just get them stopping not even close and the posi you know heading out and them booking it yeah right just leave the money uh and we hav't you know the the now like one of the things is that like I mean this film was filmed in colge St George uh a couple other places here in Mexico uh Zion I think all over Utah all over Utah so like this I like you see some some beautiful expanses from all over this area from you know these um Rocky Mountain SL desert uh you know old you know Old Mexico area and it's just they they capture the beauty of it the the the regalness of of why you would why you come and you you live here and you are you either are going to you know try to figure out your way or you going to figure out your your way another way right you know you like you're going to have to like go to the man or you going to you know become become steal from the man steal from the man um no yeah it one best screenplay yep and uh and C cinematography yeah I and I just love those I mean beautiful landscapes right you you get it but those shots of like seeing the posi after them right and then just those long shots and then coming cutting back to them and like them panicking what like what kind of lens would I mean they're just they're using telephoto lenses right so telephoto lenses are going to be lenses that you're looking at 70 to 200 maybe 200 to 400 I mean at this time they're probably like big a lenses the other thing about this though is for this film specifically there's a lot of shots that are here that are done with zoom lens like they did they really utilize zoom lenses and the par focal nature par focal means that I can set a focus at when I'm zoomed in and as I zoom out everything step thing stays in Focus there's no shifting um there's a thing called f Focus breathing where it's the opposite of being par focal meaning if I've focused on you and I've zoomed in and I go to zoom out it's going to have you're going to feel a like a weird warp shifting effect and it's going to it it can be jaring um uh for for for narrative stuff uh you know nowadays it's like it's not the end of the world uh it's gotten pretty good there's like compensations with uh S software and whatnot but truly some of the best is that like you know th this film this film again uh you know utilizes uh like Citizen Kane really you the the you know cinematographer um is uh uh Conrad Hall yeah Conrad Hall uh is phenomenal he he really leverages um not only like framing and his his shot like his focal length change choices right I mean obviously even though he's on a like a uh he has a a telephoto Zoom where we're like or like a lands where it's like still looking far it's they're in such an expansive area that we still get such a beautiful landscape stuff right um if he had gone wider we wouldn't have gotten the same effect you know he's probably like 85 maybe even 100 maybe more maybe sitting at 200 on some on some spots um but I think that like overall I I I just love the overall feel when when we're with uh he doesn't use a ton of wide wide uh wide angle lenses um but what he does do is every single shot is feels uh it's it's well we got a nice framing we have beautiful uh like shot some of my favorite is I think one of my favorites is is with they're when they're hiding away in the in the in the hor house and and he's like oh you know he's oh look he uh pointed him and you know pass and they all keep on going and they come rushing back with guns and he just points and they do like a smash zoom on his face I you know I think Citizen Cane really helped to open up people and their in their thoughts on like what they could do with lenses and what they do with that cinematography storytelling that we get Butch cassid and and Sun's kid I just uh it's it just looks beautiful like it continues to like hold a test of time um those shots the Landscaping obviously but like really leveraging the colors that sepia tone effect right um it just looks incredible and uh he he went on to to also do the cinematography for uh road to predition uh American Beauty um so great skill set um I want to talk a little bit about like just William Goldman the the writer he again he want to for this this is kind of a big deal right give me the give me the story of this cuz I don't know I know a little bit it um but I'm not well ver so like what's what's the story behind the whole because it's a big deal that he won a screenplay for this right yeah so um he actually was offered to ride the Godfather um and he turned that down because he it was just he just didn't want to get involved with it and it was too for him he felt like it was too much of a hard adaptation and and he instead spent years studying the story of butcher Cassidy and and the sance kid and for you gen C's out there like this is him going to libraries and like kiding yo yo yo is uh who who's the most who what library in the country has got the most Bush cidy biographies yeah they're out there like you got to go to Utah and and he did he he he spent years um studying about this and and and then going through and developing a screenplay that could tell this narrative story about change as we've talked about and in in the inevitable change and and this relationship between these two guys right um and so for him to go through that and and build it out one it's just great second I love what he this movie is often now considered the the movie that set the tone for Buddy action movies right I love buddy action movies The Other Guys one of my favorite buddy action movies okay and and and I think this is why I I now that I watch this I appreciate more this movie because that's at the end of the at its core that's what this movie is it is that's true right um if you think of like the lethal weapons yeah okay 100% you see so much from those movies that's pulled out of here you know even like the scene of them like jumping into the river like that's just Lethal Weapon all over right um Shanghai Noon oh 100% the uh rush hour okay like everything we see in these movies The Blueprint is here you have uh one of your two characters is just the smart charismatic stoic leader the other one is more of the skillful one who butts heads with the other guy and like but they they they get at each other's nerves but they love each other like it is all here freak dude okay that sold me that's what it that's what it got me that's that's I think that's why I love this movie cuz like I love the rush hours the lethal weapons the you name them right yeah they're great and and I think my love for them now I'm realizing is because of what William created here with between Butch and and and and um and Sundance Kid it is the dialogue that they write and and not that there hadn't been like buddy action movies or like right there had been right um but this is the movie that really solidified it and it and it set the the foundation for decades worth of Buddy action movies dude so well said Thank you truly that's that I mean that solidifies the understanding of like okay now this film is why a classic white for reason and it's because it solidified this this genre it took it took it out of the West Western yes solidified it as a buddy um the Buddy adventure and like what's going to come of it um and became an icon uh iconic film for so many other films that we we now love I mean Rush showers is truly some of my favorite films and I don't watch them enough they no one talks about them enough uh cuz they're phenomenal and uh but at the same time they are they are ones that like and you know what I think what it is like these films they come and go but they often ones are the ones you cherish the most yes yes and I think it's just because it it they're built on a a at at their core it's just about the relationship between your two leades right yeah and and whether that relationship is can I trust this guy in a life or death situation or just the interaction that they have like we see that here and and I love that that that shootout at the end where just what is that what you call running that and cassid he's like all right uh I'll cover for you you run and get the ammo and then he pauses and he's like that's not going to work he said you have to be the one that covers for me cuz you're the better shot I'm horrible at shooting right and so like this interaction when they're about to die and they they they are still like cracking J jokes at each other and like at each other's expense right that's what solidifies for me this movie is that those interactions and it paves the way for for what we know to be buddy uh action films right you you you you love the or let's talk bad boys right yeah you enjoy those movies I do I do and you have one character right the the the Will Smith character versus uh Martin Lawrence's character who's just a big Goofy he's just there for the ride and you have Will Smith who's the heroic he's the heroic yeah right and it all comes back to Butch Cassidy baby okay man look Brotherly Love bro that's what it is that's what we got here we got brotherly love and we don't want to change cuz we want to stay the same I think I think you know uh for this film uh William Goldman I think he wrote it best for the film uh with the line of I got a vision the rest of the world is wearing bifocals there you go you know like he he he knew what he was going for what he wanted for this film and uh and it's it like looking at it through the because like like I said like you know you get these little moments I love that like like the said or um that uh the whole breakdown of like not that I me like just what what is it for them and their Journey but also the fact that like they they they struggle that they can't do something without each other yeah you know they can't even like he they can't even agree on like how they if they going to which one's going to love the female interest yeah uh anyways I just this is this is a I can see where why you love and I I I was wrong I was wrong I did it look I I love this movie I will be watching this a lot more often um I had a great time with it I was laughing I mean the whole you literally text me D I freaking I'm cracking up yeah I mean everything from even like the the scene where in the like you mentioned they're they're hiding and you have like the sheriff that's trying to like Garner support a mob to go after uh Cassidy and and Sundance and no one cares to the point where the bike seller then pushes him off the stage he's like all right the future is here say goodbye to horses and he starts selling uh bicycles like it's just so funny I love this movie I love the part where he like uh he guy takes his gun when he's trying to get a job in Bolivia and he throws the tin can all right can you shoot that and he like shoots it and it's like he's like oh well he's like can I move his style of shooting is just so chaotic but it works for him I love it h no that's so good uh favorite scene um okay favorite [Music] scene favorite scene I think I I think it has to be the opening sequence yeah um I but I think specifically of Sundance um because we get the opening the opening sequence with uh you know Butch and you know he's he's the one we who is really carrying us on this journey of like trying to find change um uh and and and like the shots are long they you know slow cutting back and forth um but when it comes to when it comes to the introduction sance man it is just so good with the T like the tension building yeah uh we don't even get we get we don't get a clear shot of of of Butch or even of the the other poker player uh we just get this like this like uh 85 mil shot on uh Sundance it's he's like back back lit Rim lit or is Rim lighted and so you only get a portion of his face but he's got the cars that he's like dealing and this dialogue of the other character being him being a great player right we don't cut to him we just we just know that there's like you know maybe he's cheating he's being alluding that he's cheating he's like I know you're pretty great uh and then we have the standoff uh with the gun right and then the blocking of Butch coming around yeah you know and him coming in Fr and solidifying the intro for this brother for this this this Duo okay you know him trying to just convin and then not convincing Sundance but convincing the other guy just just offer him to just offer him to uh you don't even have to mean it yeah you don't even have to mean it just offer him to stay yeah and he'll leave uh and so it's just and so that and then you get the final you know shot and it's I don't know just it's awesome it it's a great scene I I love that scene I love the introductions I love the the lighting everything about it um and it just lets us know who these two are like you said um great introduction uh my favorite scene probably has to be I once they've they've gone straight and they they're taking the money back well they go pick up the the money at the bank and then he said what is cassid he says didn't we just Rob this banket back in May yeah and then they're covering their face oh I love it anyway and then uh anyways they're on their way back the one guy gets shot and they're just like I love it for a couple reasons one like this is where we see yeah they've been getting chased after by by that one posi but now now they're like in a in a standoff and and they they're trying to change they're trying to change they are cornered and they can't escape and so like for me this is where I see them like oh like how are they going to get out of this mess they don't have the ability that they've had previously of just running away but they figure it out and then and then the guys come they they toss the money right uh they leave then they come back again and I just love you take the two on the right and I'll take the others but so n got to tell you something I've never I've never shot anybody before this what is what what did he say you tell me you tell me this now mean this now I just love that interaction of the tension the the danger that I'm experiencing as the viewer and then you cut that with this comedic beat from Paul Newman from Robert Redford and and just bringing that lightness to it lightness to it and then they they shoot them and and they get away but then they have that that impact of like is this even worth it like we're trying to change and yeah right and and what that means for them moving forward because then again the idea of change and and they can't adapt they want to change but they can't adapt um I just love that scene it's it's the tension's there the danger there the comedic beats are there it's a perfect scene for me I that I was literally thinking about that that line that as we were as I was coming to get you cuz it's just it's so good it's just funny um at the end of this series of classics we've never seen I want us to ponder this question of why does this continue to be a classic wait so like all of these films or just like what is it about each of these movies okay that makes them Classics right um I have a lot of thoughts I mean we we talked in detail with with citizen Cain but I think this movie is just really good at introducing character s making you like them and just building this relationship between them and like I I've already discussed right establishing what a buddy action film is and how you need to have that that Chemistry Between your two leads but writing them to to be able to support one another whether in action in the tension in comedy whatever that may be that's what makes a good action a buddy action comedy is being able to write those beats in all aspects to for for these characters to to support one another and I think this movie again stamp up approval does it perfectly well said uh I'm happy we were able to watch this film uh I'm happy to rewatch this film and fall in love with it more effectively uh and not only that but I'm I'm I'm like uh cherishing the moments I get to recognize it like thank you butch when I'm watching the next you know wolves I bet you anything the new the new George Clooney and R movie yeah easily going to have some sort of reference to the body comedy you know like I mean you got you have the like bantra already from the trailer but like at the end of the day like the those two charact and I hope that it's going to be great um and I I want I just I missed them we don't like I'm glad we got bad uh Bad Boys 4 um and in fact I was going to watch the other guys the other day because I like I love my a good buddy I have I have the shanhai noon movies like on my watch list that I just I I grew up watching those movies and I just haven't visited them in like a decade which is weird cuz like I would watch them religiously yeah and um but yeah I owe it all to this movie what what those movies are is because of this do okay real sad sad question between Shanghai Noon and uh Rush Hour which are you what are you picking uh rush hour right shenhai noon is great oh it's phen so is shenhai night like yes both solid amazing movies it's a bummer we didn't get a third uh from that trilogy or from that series but yeah they're great movies but I I just Chris Chris Tucker yeah you just can't no Chris Rock right no it's Chris tuck oh you're right Chris Chris Chris Tucker yeah Chris Tucker just and Jackie chant and Jackie chant like what a what a combination aome you know what we're going to do those movies we it's yes I have that movie I love those movies we'll do listeners let us know should we do a month of Buddy actions and which I feel we should do that for I think I feel like we need to do that for December like we we we record we just do we just love budy com yeah we just go with the hor of them we'll do buddy action movies we we'll figure some out all right I look thank you so much for for selecting this for us we we hope you enjoyed this this rewatching or first- time watching of this film I hope you were you were more like Marcel than me but if you were like me we hope I I am hoping that Marcel was able to convince you as as he did me on the fact that this movie it deserves its slot to be the uh iconic buddy film that started the the revolution right of like a film of a film that is trying to change um what it was something that people were forgetting and didn't care about more importantly we want to hear from you what do you like about buch Cassidy and the suance kid how many times have you seen it what are your favorite moments you can always connect with us on all of our socials at real ch or feel free to email us at yours.com you can find me on Twitter at monstrosity m z t r o s t y you can find me uh Rubio TV or check us out on YouTube uh at real Chums U or wherever you like to hang out during us next week as we continue our monthlong discussion on classic movies we haven't seen with It's a Wonderful Life Marcel is so excited for this movie this is this is this is this is one of your suggestions and this was this what got the most votes yeah this was the movie that got the most votes look I have not seen this you have not you have not seen this no I have pushed this movie out for years uh we'll talk about it next week later [Music]