How is Rashee Rice not getting suspended?! | Episode 3 | Double or nothing podcast

oh welcome back to another episode of the double or nothing podcast uh quick shout out again want to thank you for everyone who uh we got a bunch of new follows this week uh just stop right there gotta go get my zins oh dude that's that's so important that is yeah I can't believe we almost started without that one that' be like me starting without this I got to be [ __ ] mhm Dylan's and Bob way light Zin Andale for young Dylan bonds without the juice I'm good but a little bit better with that you know that's a good that's a good uh clip there for young Michael to can't start a podcast without the Z hall of fame player before but alltime great with come on [Music] welcome back to another episode of the double or nothing podcast just want to give everyone a quick shout out thanks for the likes and follows and comments uh just give us a follow if you're not already on all of our platforms we're on Instagram YouTube Tik Tok Spotify Apple podcast just search double or nothing podcast and you will find the lovely Dylan and myself talking about all things Sports s uh this past weekend I think it was week two of the preseason a lot of talking points so far so we'll get right into it the biggest thing I saw this week was uh kind of the Russell Wilson and Justin Fields debacle against the bills where no one scored a touchdown and both looked pretty poor and you and I were kind of you know high on the Steelers so far you have any concerns about the Steelers after week one of preseason or week to a preseason sorry yeah it didn't look good um didn't look good uh Steelers and uh their quarterback situation um you kind of go into it thinking hey if one doesn't play good the other will play good you know what I mean like you kind of go into it thinking you have this one two combo um probably a better backup than most so you're in a good spot and then to watch them both go out there and really not play that well is probably not the best sign but once again preseason you're not going to overreact a little demoralizing but it's like at the same time if you're a Steelers fan it's it's preseason uh Russell Wilson just came back I think last week so he's got like some Growing Pains to get through with the offense and like you know working with the wide receivers but you know I think we're on the same boat as you know they they'll be okay yeah they'll be okay but I mean you want to see more than that you want to see more than that I mean that was pretty pathetic but on both but from Russell Wilson and Justin Fields but you know uh same old thing like you said new team for both of them new offense you know so you you got to take everything you know it's preseason so you can't get too you can't get too overly concerned with it what you can get overly concerned with is Danny dimes looking like dog [ __ ] I know it was funny cuz I saw a tweet today there was like a serious Giants fan tweet that said you know what outside the pick six and the other interception looked pretty good come on I mean that's that's Giants fans 101 for you holy smokes I mean listen like I said before I'm not going to be a hypocrite you're not going to totally totally overreact but Jesus Christ I mean the guy was [ __ ] horrible you know I mean Danny dimes that was pathetic you know what the sad part is is like none of us dogged the Giants last week neither you Ian it's like you know you try not to get too high or too low in pre-season but man I I know the are like an upand cominging defense but just watching him make the same rookie mistakes he's been making for four years I just think also like the placement on the field where he threw both was horrible I mean like the one the guy gets a walk-in pick six and the other one I mean List the other one wasn't as horrible of a throw it was more of a better defensive play than it was a bad throw but still I mean just the position of the field that they were in I mean they were going in you know it's you know on the second the first one it's like it's such a bad mistake to just as he's falling down he's throwing the ball when when you see that first read if it's not there and you're standing that far in your end zone just release it to the sideline and get rid of it anyway that's something he's been playing quarterback in his life for 20 years you should know by now if you're standing in your end zone you can't wait another second to get rid of the ball just roll it out of bounds and live to fight another day but that's the difference of decision- making between a good quarterback and one that is subpar I think a lot of it's him feeling the pressure to go out and perform because he feels as if like you know his back's against the wall so he wants to go out he wants to show out make a few cool plays he wants to put his name back in the headlines in a good light not in a bad light and I mean man it backfired the second interception like you said wasn't as bad but still from like a throwing standpoint it's when you're throwing that that fly route you want it more high in the air back shoulder I'm not a quarterback coach but you want back shoulder it's either going to be out of bounds or your wide receiver is going to catch it you can't underthrow it to where the quarterback has a shot you give the quarterback no shot there's no downside of listen it's preseason so I'm not going to like overreact because no we were on we were saying last week that we think Danny dimes probably the number one person that has the most approved this year yeah yeah I would say you got to you got to perform and he came in you know what what they good for Brian D keeping him in the second quarter not letting you know when the starters everyone came out he said you guys didn't do anything you're staying out there until we see some good plays out of you bright spot neighbors looked awesome yeah I mean you know I think I think you don't want to overreact too much but I mean it's just human nature right I mean you go into it thinking hey like some of the plays that you remember Danny dimes can he can move around he can run he could do a couple of these things I mean he got Danny dimes the nickname I mean he could he could throw the ball a little bit so you kind of go into it like oh yeah maybe you know neighbors just going to help him out and then I think after this performance you're kind of like damn I feel bad for my league neighbors you know holy [ __ ] like this guy's unbelievable which like I said you know you're kind of playing the hypocrite role like oh mik dber is the best and Danny dimes sucks like you don't want to go that far but it definitely changes the perspective of wow like let me ask you this huh opinion what do you think Malik neighbors's stats at the end of the year are going to be I mean like I think it's kind of like Garrett Wilson Zack Wilson situation I think he'd be lucky to break a thousand um still a good year yeah still a good year I mean he's the he's I mean Dar Darius Slay is still there right Slayton Darius Slayton is still there right I hope so Slayton is uh it'd be a great great third I'm always a big fan of I don't I don't know I think that Malik neighbors is probably in a situation where if he breaks a th with with Danny Dimson he's he's got to be happy listen you got to you got to keep him happy right so it's like he's gonna get the ball thrown to him a lot that's not a bad thing just go like Zach Wilson Garrett Wilson just go throw him the ball oh dude M neighbors are goingon to ball out he's a he's he's a good football player I mean he's got the talent he can't be overly concerned with with what's going would you be hesitant and like you know not to jump all the place would you be hesitant in fantasy to take him oh yeah for sure I'm not I'm not Tak him leite neighbors not in any way shaper I mean like I mean if if he falls if he falls to to through through the [ __ ] floor maybe I mean I I don't know I I'm not I'm not I'm I'm not touching that you know it's it's tough because of I'd rather I'd rather not take him and watch him play unbelievable and be like oh man that would have been a nice option before I want to take them and be like this is the year and Watch Danny dimes go out and [ __ ] I think for Giants fans play terrible you always got to look at uh like you said it's only preseason they're not unleashing these running quarterback plays which you know Brian D's going to have some sort of plays where vanilla Vic is running single Terry looked terrible I think he had what 10 carries uh 30 yards he couldn't get anything going I don't know if it's just cuz it's preseason but once I think they get the offense going and a little you know quarterback run in there a little bit maybe it'll open things up for him but again I saw a lot of checkdowns a lot of wide receivers That Couldn't create space uh the Giants performance the Giants performance from this preseason game doesn't change my opinion on where I thought they were originally you know I mean they're just not a great football team period you know I mean like I don't watch this game and be like oh I can't believe the giant like of course I can believe the Giants played bad I mean they're not good you know I mean they just they're not a good football team I was expecting a little more at a bearded Danny D yeah was expecting more too so but I'm just saying like it's not a shocking Revelation that Danny dimes threw two interceptions and looked like [ __ ] I mean it's just I think it would have been way more shocking if he would have went out and [ __ ] lit up the world you know so I don't think he's that good I don't think the team is that good I think Danny dimes has potential to play well but I think more more times than not you're going to see him making horrible turnovers and and and not playing that like I think we're in agreement and I think most Giants fans are that like this team will go with how their defense go was kind of like the Jets last year with Zack Wilson now yes Danny dimes I personally think is better than Zack Wilson was last year but you just got to hope that someone he doesn't turn the ball over and your defense holds the other team on sub 17 points you know and that's how you're going to win games and if you're expecting anything else if you're expecting to beat teams in a shootout probably not going to happen no definitely not and there's no way Brian D is coaching that way but we'll move on to the next one after JJ McCarthy got season ending injury last week on his knee uh us being Jet fans we know Sam Darnell pretty well he's got a lot of talent in Minnesota how do you think Sam darnold's going to do this year any prediction on like the Vikings what they could be yeah I mean I don't think that Sam darnold is a fantastic quarterback obviously I don't think anybody thinks that but I do I do think that there's a small possibility that he could beat Gino 2.0 you know be put in a different position maybe not as much pressure you know uh like he had in New York coming in it's a two overall pick like he he's supposed to be this great great like savior to the franchise a lot of pressure you know now he gets to go to a place where he's really was expected to be the backup so now he's just got to hold on fight for some wins and now he's got Justin Jefferson who's pretty pretty clearcut the best receiver in football yeah uh so would it shock me if Sam darnold went out and played pretty well and kind of made like a little bit of a res direction of his career it wouldn't shock me um I think that he'll go out and he'll play pretty well yeah I I I I don't necessarily know if it'll be as impressive as what Gino did when he went to Seattle but I could see that kind of it feels like that kind of energy right like would you be shocked if he went out there threw for 22 touchdowns 10 picks and they went like eight and nine no no no no I think I think that they I I think that Sam darnold will play well in Minnesota and I think that he will he will keep the team in football games man like you know I think he'll keep his team in games I think Justin Jefferson will get a high level you know a high level arm talent I don't know necessarily how great of an overall quarterback Sam donnald is but he's got the talent to offense he's ever played with I mean dude look what Justin Jefferson was doing with Nick Mullins I mean the guy was on Pace to like break the record so I I I like do I think Sam Donnell can step in and and and put up good numbers I do I think he could definitely definitely turn into the same kind of vibe as Gino leaving the Jets whenever these quarterbacks leave the Jets doesn't it all kind of feel in your gut like oh man they're going to go somewhere else well he's going into a position like instead of Chris Hogan he's he's throwing to Justin Jefferson you know instead of uh who the hell knows Jameson Crowder at 32 he's thr yeah he's throwing to hackinson this is the best team he's been on outside he was a backup for the 49ers I know after playing for Kyle Shanahan for a year maybe he understands the reading of options better and you know this is your first option second third you go through the progressive motions I think Minnesota there's not great defenses in their division in my opinion so no like I wouldn't be shocked like I said if they went is 8 and N successful you know Minnesota fans are probably hoping for something more yeah I think that Sam Donal will play well I think that he's going to do all right I don't to be honest with you I mean I wouldn't have been shocked if he just outright like won the job I think he was starting anyway and they were just going to maybe ease JJ back into yeah so that's fine which is you know after after the first preseason game you're like wow JJ actually you know I didn't think he was going to be great but like we said it's preseason but preseason yeah he didn't look awful no he looked great no he looked good he looked good it's like oh man he could start over Sam darnold but I like I like where Sam Donald's at I think that he's got an opportunity to relieve some the pressure he had in New York have a unbelievable Talent at wide receiver great tight end safety net with hacky with TJ Hawk and I think that now they have Aaron Jones great checkdown this is the best offense yeah so he's going to go up he's going to put up some numbers um and I think that that he'll do well there I think would it shock you if they like here's another question would it shock you if the Vikings ended up with a better record than the backers I mean listen I'm who got better like if you look on the offensive side of the ball that would be that would be surprising yeah it would it it would be surprising um listen I'm not a Jordan love guy but I do think that I do think that the expectation is that the Packers are going to go out and and play better than the Vikings so I think overall the Packers are a better team than the Vikings I'm would I be absolutely stunned if the Vikings played a little bit better early on or if they put some pressure on the Packers to play better no I would that wouldn't shock me but I think that the Packers listen the Packers just paid them $55 million a year they they're expecting to win the division I I don't know if they're going to but like just looking like you start looking at rosters and talent it's like on the offensive side of the ball Minnesota is like got to be a top seven offense on that side of the ball but I know quarterback weighs a lot into it but I mean in like wide receiver running back that group you know that Three core is like it doesn't get much better than that yeah yeah good they're good I mean so we'll see what happens I I like I like Sam darnold's chances to to make you know come back player of the year maybe there you go probably a long shot but it could be yeah sure moving on to other teams trying to get better the Atlanta Falcons made uh two big moves this week getting uh Matthew is it Matthew judon and um Simmons Justin Simmons this week uh two great defensive players trying to bolster that defense that was horrendous last year uh the two signings they made obviously it's going to have an impact but more or less like getting better in division but what do you think the Falcons are going to do what's your expectations this year oh those are those are two big big time signings I mean I went from a few weeks ago telling you I think the Saints have a pretty good chance at taking the division because I think Alvin CRA is going to have a little bit of a bounceback year I think Derek Carr was dealing with an injury last year uh I think for solve on pay to do pretty well for the Saints but yeah no I mean the the Falcons basically cement themselves as the favorites with those two signings you know I mean I they probably were the favorite prior but I think that that kind of cements them as kind of a little shocking because I think that the Falcons are more of a younger team that I thought they were going to try to kind of work into and uh you go you sign two 30 plus year old players um who are both great but that's kind of like hey we expect to win right now so yeah I like the Falcons chances to do some damage um definitely judon could be a game wrecker Simmons is great as well um so yeah the Falcons are definitely in a position to they're probably the clearcut favorite to win the division and yeah I think they they can be a scary team in the playoffs do you think like second seed possibility in the NFC I me I know that's tough but like their hard get into B it's hard to get into seeding just because I think that the overall talent in the NFL has kicked it up a notch so I think like throughout the whole league I think a lot of teams are going to be fighting for these these spaces so I think I think signing those two players gives them a much better opportunity to win the division which I think they kind of need to do um so it is a little scary and I'll say this because the head coach came out today was it Morris at Michael penck is not playing the next the third preseason game I don't think Kirk is ready he said we've seen enough where feel comfortable with them I you know there's a real possibility he starts week one and the Falcons could get get out to like this slow kind of roll that's the only thing that kind of scares me about them now I'm not saying Michael pennx is bad at all like I think that he could be good but yeah I think he could be real good Kirk I don't think has played yet I don't think he you know especially not in game kind of ordeal so it's like are you worried about Kirk C missing time and then that That Could set this team back a little bit no cuz I think penck is good I mean they drafted a m overall for a reason right I mean I think that uh I think he could be very good um I think the team is really young and I think every play at every position they're like they're pretty good I mean bej Robinson set for a real breakout year Drake London um you know didn't really have any options prior to having Kirk and penx and I think penx is better than what they had previous kle pitch Kyle pitch yeah so I I don't I'm not I'm not overly concerned with that I mean you'd like to see Kirk suit up week one but if that's not the case that you know their defense was the weak point I I feel like but adding you know Simmons and judon it's definitely bolstered it up it's not like the good thing for them is there's not a lot of offenses in their division that like they're going to scare you you know no and I think that's kind of what they can lean on a little bit they don't need to go and beat the Panthers but to do it they have to score 30 like that's just not going to happen yeah no no Panthers are going to stink yeah so I mean it you know I like where the Falcons are at and I think that those two signings help them a lot help them a lot it pushes their team forward for sure definitely puts them in a much better position to win the division which in term puts them in a better position in the playoffs if you know so I I I like I like the idea of the Falcons I like the idea what the Falcons are doing I I didn't necessarily think they were going to be that aggressive I thought it was going to a little bit of a of a slow burn they have a lot of younger players but it looks like they're they're ready to get after it man it looks like they're ready to do some damage early and hopefully it pays off for them I'd like to see the Falcons play well Jud Dawn being 32 years old kind of like shocked me a little bit but that just tells you it's it's almost like the Rams what the Rams were doing a couple years ago when they won the Super Bowl hey I know we're loading up on older guys but if we can just make one Deep Run like that's all that's all like fans want they want to see for sure would you trade one Super Bowl for 10 years of sucking again yeah for sure you would for sure you would so El's got to be very excited about their team um you know they even have to be I know it seems from the outside looking in that oh that was pretty stupid they went and got penck but I think in the future it'll help it'll work out for them he could sit behind Kirk learn the offense for a few years we had Jeff in the comments asking us about that what we think the time table is on his you know his takeover um Kirk's getting older so I mean you would assume years you know but yeah I mean Kirk's older man I mean like two two two full seasons two full seasons of Kirk kind of doing what he can and then kind of passing passing the torch to penck and the team is Young they have everybody on those they set it up nice like you said like they drafted him and it's like I know Falcons fans were not happy about it like draft night you can see on Twitter they were going crazy like our GM is the worst in the league like what is this guy doing that was the stupidest draft we could have gotten help at the offensive line we could have got help we you at that point no defensive player was taken they could have got the best defensive player in the draft tra back they could have got more picks and then you go out and you kind of I don't hate it though I reach for penck a little bit yeah yeah for sure I I don't hate it though I don't hate it you look at like the Jets were like what were they you know the Bears were next at nine the Jets were what 10 or 11 you know they're not going to take yeah Michael penck probably so it's like I I don't hate what they did I mean could they have handled it in a different way probably but I don't hate it I think it'll work out for them in the long run if penck turns out to be a pretty good decent quarterback so I I don't think I I don't hate I don't hate the idea what they did moving on to other uh preseason top stories the Caleb William throw the other well the two throws ridiculous I mean I don't even know what to say for that guy I don't know like his ceiling if it's like momes is such a high ceiling but like you see so much of him like watching play that you do in momes it's like ridiculous I know you really do you really do I mean he's he's obviously has incredible Talent um I feel good for Bears fans yeah yeah for sure I mean listen KB boy that throw is incredible I think it's kind of funny when you have like you know because you watch the throw and you're like oh my God this is [ __ ] unbelievable and then you have Dave poro kind of retweeting it and then being like dude I haven't seen a throw like this since the Justin Fields days and it is so true you know cuz that's how the overreaction goes you know so I think that that was very funny very funny kind of sets kind of sets you back down a notch he's trying to knock the Bears fans down a peg like hey calm down yeah I thought it was funny I thought it was funny and I did think it was funny too then Shane sends us the video of Mike White doing it [ __ ] the next day you know same thr I sent you that today that was an unbelievable come on it's so funny and I watched another one today it was you know as much as I'm not a huge fan of them B at at uh in college make the same throw yeah I mean listen at at face value it's an incredible throw you're super happy to see your quarterback make a throw like that especially because he had so much hype about doing things exactly like that that's why everybody was so excited to see him so when you get to see that right out of the gate it's definitely a good sign you you can't really talk negatively about it but you know it's not a Pack 12 team that he's doing it against yeah you you got you got to give credit were credits to was an incredible throw how much stock do you hold in it I don't know good amount you know it's like not listen like you said how much stock I mean you just know that it opens up the playbook for like yeah he's going to make some incredible he can move left he can move right and you got to be careful for both especially with that wide receiving Court I mean he didn't get drafted one for winning games cuz he didn't do a whole lot of winning at USC you know but you you draft him off of that kind of ability right so I think a lot of people were hesitant and like not hesitant in the sense of like they doubted that he should go number one but in the sense of every time he played a good defense like when he played Notre Dame he had like three interceptions yeah and that creeped in the oh boy when he plays a semi- relevant defense is it like is he not going to be good is he just doing this against Utah State and uh like that's it yeah I mean I always thought he had the talent to go one and then I saw him wear an orange skirt and I was like I don't know if this is a number one pick but hey teaches own I guess whatever you do yeah you don't want it it doesn't seem to bother him from throwing if he's going to make a throw like that you can wear as many skirts as you want so you can paint your nails if you're going to make throws like that yeah I agree I don't think Aaron Rogers would do it but you know what if he did and he's still throwing back shoulder dimes then to hell with it he can do whatever he wants yeah no he he's going to be good he's going to be good I I I don't want to over I'm happy for Bears fans I mean I was a big Jay Cutler guy just cuz it was smoking Jay but you know what they haven't had anyone like relevant in a long time time I don't think Fields is terrible despite what he's done in preseason I do think the I do think the like opposing argument though is that you did See Fields do a lot of incredible [ __ ] in preseason like you did see him make insane throws on the run you did see him run around the field like a maniac and run these touchdowns and so so like you don't want to get yourself too high on the idea that he has this Inc crazy athletic ability but you got to you got to at least give credit where credits do it was an incredible throw and that we at 100% And it's like you know what Fields had his ups and he's had his down and like he could open the Playbook because of his feet but they really did like I almost feel bad for Justin fields in a way because they really did make the offense a lot better this year yeah going out and getting Swift and getting Keenan all and drafting ad Dunes like that the offense is a lot better this year than it is last year oh yeah it's not going to be an to Apples comparison for sure but I'm sure he's going to do a lot better than Justin fields did last year well maybe you know what it's like what they win seven games last year what do you think they're going to get to this year nine I think they're over under completely completely up in the air I wouldn't stun me one way or another um if they played out of their minds and won 10 football games I wouldn't be shocked and if they kind of you know faded into mediocrity in 1 s I wouldn't be shocked either get over the Packers hump yeah we we'll see we'll see what Caleb Williams can do if if that's an indication of the kind of playmaking ability that Caleb Williams has and he's going to be able to do continuously then I think they're going to win a lot of football games but it's preseason so let's see him do it in the first couple weeks of the Season let's see him kind of continuously repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and and you know and and then we'll see what happens from there so I think they can win some football games for sure we're at 30 minutes right now okay yeah it's still on do you need to like touch the screen no no no it looks good all right you want to clap to restart again no no we're good we're good all right yeah all right moving on to uh his predecessor here Patrick Mahomes made an incredible behind the back pass today to or not today but in during preseason week two to Travis Kelce uh wasn't supposed to be a designed play or throw so I I guess uh just Mom seeing what Caleb Williams did and say you know what I can probably another thing that you can't do and it's right behind the back yeah I mean listen Patrick Mahomes at this point has done so many incredible things that he almost makes you numb to [ __ ] like this because you see the behind the back throw and your immediate reaction is almost like oh the media is going to go ballistic over this it's just another Patrick Mahomes move but like it is still incredible to see I mean to see a guy throw the ball behind the back in preseason you know I mean it's just crazy to watch what he can do so does he attemp it in a real game oh maybe I don't know I've seen him throw with his left hand I've seen him like almost parallel to the ground slinging the ball down field so he does all these insane things it's just it's he does it so much that it becomes not shocking you said you become numb to it it's like you see so many amazing throws that you're like ah you know what and for all these throws have become such a big phenomenon where like you know a couple years ago Aaron Rogers said you know one guy who's vastly under Raiders Matt Stafford he can do the no look pass and now that's just like if someone does a no look pass besides Patrick Mahomes it's like ah Patrick Mahomes has been doing that for four years you know he's become the you know an enigma in terms of like what quarterbacks should be able to do and you can't even complement a quarterback's throw anymore without it being like Oh well Mahomes does that every week I know he set the bar very high man I mean he sets the bar very high for doing Unthinkable [ __ ] yeah more back again uh we've spoken about Patrick Mahomes before you know you'll never be able to bet against him especially if it's your favorite team in the playoffs you just you have to see him fail before you'll actually go in and be like you know what I'm betting against Patty Mahomes in this Bas absolutely I just said that to you probably a half hour ago I mean like it's it's just at this point no matter what he's got to he's got to fail at such an incredible level in a big moment before I ever feel confidence going against Mahomes like come playoff time it just is what it is at this point like he's the new Brady you know you get to the playoffs it's like I don't care how good the Ravens are I don't care how good the Bengals are I know the Bengals had beaten them once but at this point like until momes puts up a dud of a game in a big moment like I'm rolling with Mahomes well it's actually it's like it's never been his fault right like I mean the Tampa Bay Super Bowl his offensive line was out he had a high ankle spring the week before it's like you can't I know it will go on his record like he lost to Tom Brady and for a lot of people that'll hold so much weight I I think people underestimate it that loss to Tom Brady might hold the who's the better quarterback debate for like 40 years it is true it is true that's like imagine if LeBron lost to Michael Jordan when Jordan was 40 and LeBron was 25 I know I agree with you I agree with you I bet on Brady in that Super Bowl but I bet on him not not necess neily because it was Brady versus Mahomes as much as it was offensive line issues and the Sprain and everything else but yeah I I agree with you I think that that's not a depiction of who Patrick Mahomes is in a big moment as much as it was a depiction of one team was just heavily like in a better position to win the game oh yeah I mean like healthwise and and everything I mean as soon as you saw high ankle spray Adam Mahomes you're like God it's probably pretty serious because he's not the one to just kind of roll over I used run him for his life b game his offens line was so I mean he was running for his life ball game but I don't hang that that's what makes Brady Brady I mean it I give Brady the credit but like like he still have to go out and win the football game but I don't take as much away from Mahomes if that makes any sense I don't take anything away from him it's almost like we've seen him like you said do so many things that it's like ah you know what one game it happens but the guy already has multiple Super Bowls what can you possibly no you can't do it you wait listen at this point Mahomes is just a point I mean the guy is just [ __ ] going to the guy is 100% the Baseline of greatness like if like you will be compared to Patrick Mahomes he's like the LeBron he's the Michael Jordan he's just like he is that guy right now vas has to be so there with going into these playoffs game games where they like make the Ravens three and a half fourpoint favorites against the chief no you can't you but they are I know but it's crazy and it's why I'm winning money you know cuz then you just take the chief's money line and it just like free absolutely at that point uh a lot of people have been doubting your boy Travis Kelce yeah which I'm I'm like kind of stunned I'm kind of stunned by that like the Travis Kelce hate or and I wouldn't even go as far as to say it's hate but like everybody's expecting him to have like this down year and and he's not going to produce like he used to based on what based on what his age I mean like it does it do that big of a does does it does it C was that big of a step back I I don't I disagree I disagree I I I think that Travis Kelce will have a th000 yards receiving Travis Kelsey will have you know eight to 10 touchdowns he'll be just as big of a factor as he's been in the past three years like I know last year he had the injury early on he missed the Lions game they sat him in the last game because they had a better position or whatever but they needed him the rest you know yeah they needed him the rest and I get it but his down year last year 93 catches 9884 yards five touchdowns didn't play the last game Travis Kelce I am not worried about Travis Kelce so all these people coming out of the woodwork saying oh I I don't I don't know he's going to fall to three four five tight end this year out of your [ __ ] mind dude Travis Travis Kelce is that dude and proven otherwise you know he's putting up like wide receiver one numbers even on like a down year of 90 catches a th000 yards the guy M the guy's a machine dude like I I I I refuse I refuse to Cave into the oh he's getting older he's going to have a down year until he does it and maybe this year's the year all these media outlets and his over under prop for the year was like 830 yards and all this like I I put no stock in that I think Travis Kelce is going to go out he's gonna have the same kind of year he's had he's he's going to go out he's gonna have 95 catches he's gonna have anywhere from 950 to 1100 yards Travis Kel is going to kill your favorite team team week in and week out whoever's watching this and you're going to ask the same question of how do they leave this guy wide open in the Middle Field and they're playing backyard football like you know they really are like he's one of those guys who kind of goes off his own Playbook like half the time he just looks like they're out there in the backyard throwing the rock around like he just finds an open space in the field he it seems like when Mahomes is in trouble he's always available it just until that chemistry like completely breaks down or until Travis Kelsey starts getting injured and starts having starts slowing down until I see that physically on the field during a regular season like I'm not I'm I'm not buying into the fact that he's going to have a down year no I don't buy that he's like the fifth tight end I mean if he's not top two no I mean they're still placing him in in that's a little bit of an overstatement I'm just saying like I've seen people say in their own takes that they wouldn't be shocked if Travis Kelce fell down the ladder quite a bit this year and I just don't understand why I guess age at some point has to play a factor but I don't think it'll be this year they draft worthy this year and we still don't know what's going on Rashid rice like I mean that's its own debacle and its own and you know we've talked about this we don't know how everyone else feels like the Rashid rice thing I mean you can be we're not we're not Kansas City haters how can he not be suspended for what he did is just like mindblowing mind-blowing dude the guy has eight felony charges a couple months before that was claimed to have knocked out a reporter punched out a reporter in Dallas the guy injured a bunch of people street racing like like this isn't like some guy who got a speeding ticket like what are we talking about dude what are we talking about like you said before earlier on the phone Henry rugs like gets in this horrible accident kill somebody the guy's in prison you know the guy's in prison but we're not even suspending Rashid rice for basically doing something that just happened to not end with anybody dying if someone dies what does he get D compare this guy not getting suspended from the NFL is is preposterous I mean it's crazy it's crazy they're not even talking about it the guys out here taking like you know like first team reps all preseason like he's out like like the Chiefs are under the impression like this guy's just not getting suspended you know and he's taken the wide receiver run one reps all these things like it's just Chiefs fans if he was on the Carolina Panthers he he's getting six games yeah I mean Kansas City is the protected child of the NFL so I guess maybe that has some factor it's crazy that anybody who has eight pending felony charges injured a bunch of people plus has plus has the allegations of knocking out a reporter in Dallas like a couple of weeks before it it's insane dude it's insane this guy has to be taught a lesson this guy has has to be suspended they call it the NFL the no fun league but like like this right here like how this hasn't they ended Ricky Williams's career over smoking pot like and and this guy's this guy's going to Walt out there in week one like like without unscathed like that's insane court for deflating and he won he still got suspended it's crazy crazy uh so that the my take on that listen I have Rashid rice in the dynasty League I want the guy to be on the team I think he's good I but I'm sure a lot of people I'm sure he's really high on everyone's draft board for Fantasy this year and no this has nothing to do with that you know we took Xavier Worthy's over Rush a passing yard no it definitely is it definitely is like I'm aggravated by the fact that like you know I I take this guys over under the assumption under a a pretty standard assumption that this guy's going to get suspended right I mean I don't think I was going out on a limb by thinking this guy's going to get suspended I mean what are we doing this got to be suspended when you almost kill someone and that's someone of of his age like this isn't someone who's 30 something years old though this is like a young kid where it's like Roger Goodell should be making an example of like we don't care who you are we don't care what team you play on if you do this kind of stuff like you're going to get a gamer yeah absolutely absolutely there's no there's there's absolutely no reason for him to not be suspended from the NFL that's the end of the conversation we haven't have you ever like do you remember anything like this kind of scenario before where hasn't ended in his suspension no like right no they are always suspended like I said Ricky Williams is smoking pot I mean Ray Rice you know rightfully so gets suspended career ended Kareem hunt y Kareem hunt what I mean how many games Alvin didn't Alvin CRA beat up a reporter at the Pro Bowl last year he got couple games like what are we I don't know what they're what is going on now this could come out after we put out the podcast that you know two days later he gets four games but that's fine but it but but it should taking what's taking so long like the Chiefs obviously are under the impression he's not getting suspended because he's taking all first team reps he's out there he's he's number one on the depth chart like or maybe number two I don't know if Hollywood Brown's number one but that's semantics at this point but either way the the guy is they run routes and whoever they're under the impression he's not being suspended and I think a lot of the media Outlets are starting to catch on too which they should give a lot of heat to the NFL for that that's [ __ ] I if I was another owner I'd be like Furious right now Furious absolutely ridiculous it shouldn't be like career ending but we've seen a lot of stuff happen before where people have been proven not guilty to where the team can't even keep them on their roster anymore because of how severe it is dude if that's me or you we don't have a job bro like what are we doing no no yeah we're getting fired yeah come on I mean you got to hold these these guys to the same standard dude the SE yeah I don't D we got to hold these guys to the same standard as as you would hold anybody in life like you can't just be Coop because he plays for the Kansas City Chiefs like he just walks away like he walks away from this problem like I don't know if that lies in New York I don't know if it's because it's like in the middle of nowhere and it is the Kansas City chief that is insane like he's needs to be suspended I know all right well we moving on to the next uh Big Top big topic of today is uh ESPN just dropped their power rankings post-draft for 2024 I'll just go through the top 10 real quick we have Kansas City Detroit the 49ers Baltimore Buffalo Bills Miami Dolphins Eagles Houston Packers Cincinnati I think I believe it the Cowboys I think was 11 yeah the Cowboys at at 11 yep is there any big uh names there obviously obviously yeah yeah the bills are not the seventh best team in the NFL what are we doing they lost Gabe Davis Stefon Diggs like they're two biggest offensive Firepower they lost three big defensive play actually technically four now well not that travius white ever played you know but Umano to bicep he's out Jordan pu seventh best team oh like I don't know that's that's crazy to me I I mean and I I disagree with that I think they take a big step back this year I mean I know Josh Allen can carry a lot of the Dead weight but there's too much there's too much weight to carry for one player to carry them to a top seven spot in the NFL Power Rankings it's insane I don't think we're like like we're not Bill's haters we always kind of root for Josh Allen we love Josh Allen but this is going to sound bad but like I would not be shocked if the bills went into this year and won eight games dude yeah no come on I mean that's know they're like projected to win 10 and a half or 11 games like I I just don't see their defense has gotten so much worse and I know mcder is like this like defensive scheme Guru whatever Josh Allen is a turnover machine yes I know like in the beginning of the off season he was working on changing his throwing motion which is never what you want to hear another glaring stat since 2020 he leaves all leads all quarterbacks in the NFL with 75 turn 15 more than the guy in second I I don't see how losing all these players and I feel bad for Buffalo fans we have a lot of friends that love the bills but it's like oh yeah you look at that team you're like with all this going on how do they win 11 games have no idea I mean if they do like you know kudos to Josh Allen I mean whatever but they coming out and like when you're doing these NFL Power Rankings right like this is supposed to be teams on paper right like teams on on paper like guys stay healthy like this is what you're looking at right I mean this is just a statistical thing it's not it's not like the Bible right I mean you got to you got to take into like the Texans are high but the Texans are high because on paper they're unbelievable football team will they all play great together who knows Stefan dig is a cancer but like at the same time you know I understand why they are where they are I just I I you can't bring me to a conclusion you can't bring me to the idea that the Buffalo Bills are the seventh best team in the n like not with their off season I you just can't do it uh and it's not like they did anything in the draft to make you feel different it's like Keon Coleman I I get it like he was good at Florida State and he looked good in the ACC against South Carolina you know but it's like you watch him in preseason no he can't create that much separation he doesn't have great hands they're so Josh Allen it's like and I think that they've been disrespectful they're disrespectful to a lot of teams they're disrespectful to a lot of teams on that list like the Bengals aren't top 10 they're number nine at post-draft rankings number nine oh okay so they're number nine okay but still kind of disrespectful what they number Nine's not bad number Nine's not bad the Cowboys fell out of the top 10 I think that they're pretty much right around there I think they probably are 10 or 11 I don't I I know they put the Packers at 10 because they beat the Cowboys in the playoffs but on paper the Packers aren't a top 10 NFL team I mean what do you think about Miami at 8 like I like it I like it if anything I think that they can go up up or down a spot and I think the Jets I think the Jets should be in there I mean I know everyone's going to come for our neck oh Jets fans Jets fans whatever like on paper the Jets are fantastic Bree Hall top two running back in the NFL like Garrett Wilson's probably on paper like you know probably projected to be a top seven eight wide receiver in football Mike Williams is a good deep threat like their offensive line they they bolstered up in the in the offseason plus avt coming back from the injury their defense was a top three defense in the NFL last year like Aaron Rogers back off the injury you know he's only 3 four years off of back-to-back MVPs like he's they're on paper they're better team than the bills you know like so what do like on paper they're a better team than a lot of those team the Dolphins on paper are better than the the bills the Bengals definitely are and the Packers are just getting the recency bias of of of playing their ass off in the play in the playoffs and and and and making a good run but they're on paper they're not a good enough team to be a top 10 rated team going into the season they're number 10 like I'm I'm not mad at it do I think the Cowboys on paper are better than the Dolphins like I think the Cowboys the Dolphins no I think the Cowboys are a better team than the Dolphins just because their defense compared to the Dolphins defense I I think they are but you know the top the top five teams I'm not or I'll leave them alone yeah leave them alone you know if you want to put Philly on paper is unbelievable yeah yeah yeah top five is f Detroit unbelievable s five through seven six through seven 6 through 10 is where they lose me I still want to see more from CJ strad I know like you know reports are he is awesome and he is great but it's like the last we we saw him he looked real good against the Browns he looked real bad against Baltimore uh MH he plays the Jets I know he gets hurt but he looked real bad against that defense but everybody looked B against everyone I know I know and it's like you still want to see more on paper like you said they're a top five six team on paper that's why I'm saying that's why I'm not I'm not mad at that it's not a CJ stoud thing as much as it is a team thing that's why everyone's going to come for my neck and say oh Jordan love you give Jordan love no credit but you give CJ strout all this credit no I'm giving the Houston Texans Credit the Houston Texans on pap are a better football team period you know just like you know on paper the who like name one Superstar player on the Green Bay Packers can you I I mean I mean if you're going to go out on a limb say Josh Jacobs I mean that's a stretch their cornerback is Alexander yeah he's top tier but I mean you can say like you can say that about like four guys on the Texans yeah I mean Joe Mixon Diggs TS like Nico Collins has broken out to be like tankel Nico Collins Diggs would easily all three of them would be the number one on the Packers and Schultz they would all be they would start over anyone yeah so that's why that's why I understand it more so I'm not I'm not mad at the Texans a place where they are it's not like you're you're taking them as what they are their schedule their division is easier than the Packers division that's just it is what it is and that's not the Packers fault it's not the Texans fault it's just they're in a better spot yeah I just I don't like a lot of the things that they did with the list but I mean I don't think a lot of people do I mean the Falcons being the 19th best team it's a little bit low um Jaguars being high 14th like that's that's too high do you honestly think the Jaguars are a better team than the Jets and the Bears and you know even the Steelers I don't I don't think so the Falcons like you said I I mean I'm not mad at the list overall I just think there's a few teams that are that are you know misplaced but I mean that's just with anybody's list if I made a list if you made a list people would be unhappy with certain positions of certain team listen they're not going to be happy with anything we talk about on [Laughter] here if it was up to me I'd have Cincinnati number three you know this list I'd have him before Baltimore oh man that's crazy I mean you got Joe burrow Higgins uh you know Jamar Chase and you know you know in a playoff scenario I'm going with Joe burrow over Lamar Jackson yeah but but yes I agree I agree but this is this power rankings is based on going into the regular season who is who's who's a better team the Baltimore Ravens have lost team two starting offensive linemen this year which is but they also signed Derk hry which probably is a big like that's a big help to losing offensive line their defense like you said before had a historic season last year Lamar Jackson's impossible to game plan for like they are regular season it's not more like I'm not upset about them being number two I'm more upset about the Bengals being number nine yeah because if the Bengals were in the NFC they're the second best team in the NFC yeah behind the ners right and yeah and the LI the lions are up there too I mean the lions at this point have proving themselves to be pretty I got to stop looking at teams as like uh if they played each other on a mutual who's a better team to me it's the H the Bengals and the Lions would be a fun game to watch that' be a fun Super Bowl I'm not mad at the top five like dude the NFL did a good job with top if you had to pick like one of your like ideal Super Bowls it would be like as long as you know the jet if the Jets don't make it Bengals liines would be up there in terms of like electric Super Bowl watch like high scoring games both teams scoring in the high 30s just defense being played but I mean I think teams were hoping for Kansas City Lions last year oh Lions beat him in the opening game of last year I think a lot of teams wanted to oh 100% And I know like in our comments it was like we came off as like Dan Campbell haters or lions you know anti Lions we I think the lions are great I think they're like this list is correct with them being four or five talent wise I mean there's nothing out of that you know the real I I think they're so talented on offense so sure they got a lot going on but that'll bring us into our one that I snuck in on this talk sheet is the Madden 25 quarterback list I'm sure everyone who was out there playing Madden 25 your boy Jordan love is ranked 15 yeah baby in Mad 15th a whopping rank of 81 yeah but I mean that's where he is all right like that's where he is he's like I said to you guys from the beginning I mean I'm not going to hold too much stock in the Madden ratings but oh you're not I mean like no I'm just saying like that's like it's not crazy it's not crazy like at least at least it validates the point of that's pretty much where he is you know I mean he's he's a 15th fif he's anywhere from you know 14 through 16 like that's where he is there are some names on this list that I think I would I would change around and it's uh I know we'll just say this right now Jordan love is ranked at an 81 overall so is CJ strad I do think both of them are better than Brock pie I know you might not think that but I do think Brock P got give enough you just got to give him enough respect for what he's done so I don't hate Madden for doing that like if you're talking about just Raw Talent like yeah but but that's not what that's not what these ranking systems are about like Brock pie went out there and proved that I mean he was in the MVP discussion last year what what are we going to do you know I mean the guy the guy the guy the guy deserves to be where he's ranked I don't know where he's ranked n theel where is ninth had 85 yeah that's that's right around I think Brock pie at this point in time I think the Brock Hat's got to come to an end I I think he's until further notice he's top 10 to me if they let's say they they signed Brandon auk and he has the same year he did last year or even if he takes a small step back but still leads him to an NFC Championship yeah at some point or another you got to be like all right like he's a he's a good yeah I had to drop that narrative I was all over oh this guy you watch him play he doesn't do much he doesn't do this he doesn't do that well he wins a lot of goddamn football games okay and he's in my opinion it's very difficult to come out and state that he's not a top 10 quarterback I mean he was at the top of the MVP discussion he's went to Super Bowl he was uh he was an injury away from going to another Super Bowl I mean he's played this role so much better than Garoppolo who a lot of people stuck up for including myself for a long time and you can only defend one person for so long before his replacement comes in and be like you know what maybe he's just good yeah he's good he's good he's good that argument for me is over Brock P's a good quarterback in the NFL Brock p is in is a top 10 quarterback in the NL like to me like like talent wise like they have Tua as number six like I this my I think Brock py is better than Tua you is there anything Tua can do that Brock can't I think that Tua what aggravates me about Tua is the fact that he is not a deep throw guy like it just aggravates me when you watch a guy like Tyreek Hill you know break these break these routes off and just take off and you see Tua underthrow them that's what aggravates me but I'm very impressed by what Tua does in his timing routes like there's been a lot of times where I bet the Dolphins I'm sitting here watching the game and Tua drops back to pass and throws a ball and I stand up up off the couch thinking it's going to be an interception and boom he cuts right across the field Jaylen Waddles got it takes it it slow throwing Ball but his timing is incredible so I'll give him that like his timing his timing is incredible he knows the offense he plays it well he puts up the numbers he he's he's a good NFL quarterback it's just it's just his deep ball throwing is just it's so annoying to watch maybe just because Tyreek Hills on the team and you know that he's good for an 80 yard or a game so it just it just drives you nuts when you put top six quarterback in the NFL I mean this debate has been going on for no I'm not putting him in top six either but I'm just saying I think he's I think Justin Herbert or Tua oh Justin Herbert yeah yeah but Herbert is ranked lower so it's like it's one of those things and I see DOL dolphin fans on Twitter all the time arguing that Tua is better than Justin Herbert just because their overall record of the two teams I mean they ran they if you put Justin Herbert on the Dolphins what do they do this year we were really close to seeing it they ran B Brian Flores out of town for wanting to trade up for him you know did you see the Brian Flores thing today where um Tua did an interview with lebatard and he said that Brian Flores every day would just tell him that he stinks and he's not that he's not good and and not a good quarterback and doesn't make good throws and Tua admitted this out loud to Dan levitar said it's refreshing to have a coach come in and tell you you are great yeah no it's funny it's funny that's not a real story but I saw it on the levitar sh was said uh on Twitter that uh he did admit that Brian Flores would comeing every day and tell him that you kind of suck yeah which I mean he doesn't do he he does all the little things correctly so I guess there's a lot to be said for that especially in an offense that's so fast and timing is so important that maybe if you do get somebody else in there you would see how good Tua really is because maybe somebody else couldn't get that timing down and couldn't get those Crosser routes and because a lot of their stuff is that confusion Mike McDaniel's a like a weirdo with that stuff you know all the confusion and all the crazy routes and stuff and to his timing is very very good it's just I would like to see him be able to launch the ball 55 yards downfield to Tyreek wide open I mean do you think Odell Beckham Jr actually even plays this year on the Dolphins I think he'll play a factor I don't think he's going to I mean I think he's Way Beyond on the point of causing a serious impact but I mean I think he'll get some burn I mean he'll have one or two plays this year where people are like oh wow like he looks great but I don't think overall for a season for an entire season I don't think he's going to be that much of a factor I think jayen Wadd is Head Over Heels better than him I think Tyreek Hill obviously got moster in H or H or whatever his name is like two great running backs uh think their offensive line is good and their defense is pretty solid I will in one more hater comment here on Tua is that in games below 50° he is 1- seven with nine touchdowns and 12 picks any yeah I mean absolutely absolutely I mean you know he's they're not good in the cold I mean you've seen all those like all those highlights of them freaking out when they're playing in the cold talking on the sidelines it's like you know they're they're not a good cold weather team which which can hurt them but you know hey that's why seeding is important right go out win the division maybe get a high high enough Seed where you can ride the home field through the playoffs AFC East seems like a tough decision uh division but we've said this how many times is would you be shocked if the Jets were all hurt by week four and would you be surprised if the the bills only won nine games no no Dolphins fans are under the impression they're going to win the division I mean that's what dolphins fans I me just like Jets fans are just like Bills fans are but I think the division is up in the air oh 100% like it each team could probably win nine games in my eyes and I would not be shocked at all I could see the Jets maybe winning seven if Aaron Rogers something happens like a setback but yeah I don't know that's that's one of the divisions where it's like it's so weird because for so long we saw the Patriots Dominate and then we turn around and now they're just a four- win four win team um watch this clip yesterday about Colin coward saying that Bo Nicks was going to be the best rookie quarterback out of the bunch drafted this year I know listen Drake May that's an easy one to just knock off the list because his team kind of stick but do you think that b next does have a a great chance of being the best rookie quarterback this year no I don't think so I think that's a preseason overreaction um I will say though I mean I'm I'm I'm more on this side of the argument than you are I mean you really don't like Bo Knicks I think he played good enough where I kind of just want to see what happens what do you think Bo Knicks is going to be this year after his two pretty good uh preseason games yeah I mean honestly I I I don't I don't want to overreact for preseason I mean he's looked good but I don't think he's going to translate that well to the NFL um I got to see it though I'm not gonna I'm not going to be a hater and I'm not going to be all over him for playing great or be you know or think too negatively about him like I what's your opinion on it you you have more you have more disclosure I was just a complete hater I think he was like too old and the Broncos are not a good team and I'm not a big shaan Payton guy guy is he going to be great no there's no shot he's going to be great is he going to be better in Caleb Williams no is he going to be better than Jaden Daniels no could he be third above Drake May I'd hope so because the Patriots are terrible but what does that even mean like the Broncos are maybe going to win six games this year does that mean he's a great quarterback no like that's what do you want to see out of him oh well if he has one Good Year all right then he's 28 next year and he's in the division with Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert he will never be the second or first best quarterback in that division so it's like what are you hoping for if you're Denver hey we have the bet we have the third best quarterback in the division watch I mean hey it's a valid point he's older he might be older than Justin Herbert at this point yeah I know he was in college for a long time so I mean I I think Denver I think if he goes out and wins wins some football games I mean Denver will be happy I don't know what else there is to really expect out of that team a it's like it's almost like the Michael penck thing it's like man like you got to feel pretty high because he's pretty good and I know Jane Daniels was in college for a while too but it's like at some point or another like when you're in a division with the Kansas City Chiefs and now the you know Justin Herbert like what what are you expecting to do you can't expect to win the division in three years because it's probably not going to happen as long as he's there so but what's what is a successful season getting the wild card spot you know I don't really know I think successful season is just seeing them put up good numbers not turning the ball over learning the offense playing well and making making the Denver fans believe that he could be the guy moving forward and like it's like you don't want to get Flack for saying hey if the guy throws for 3,000 yards congratulations that's like a typical thing to do now if you're an NFL NFL quarterback in 17 games you should throw for that many yards yeah uh if they win five six games successful season that's right where they're you know slated to win yeah yeah yeah uh but moving on to the next one we'll talk a little bit more about fantasy football since a lot of drafts will be happening within the next two weeks uh you know the football season star in the first week of September we've played in a lot of fantasy football leagues I don't know about you but every year when I go in I kind of think of like my kind approach that I want to do but I I always leave two options whether I want to be like running back Centric or maybe wide receiver heavy but it all depends on what pick that you get and you usually don't know that till like an hour before the draft in most cases but what do you think like what's a good like mindset going in how should you prepare for the draft I think you said it well I think it really just depends on what picks are kind of happening in the moment before you right um You Want to the wide receiver position is so stacked that like you almost sometimes can get pressured into like hey there's not that many running backs to choose from so maybe I'll grab one early so that I can at least have one guy on my team that I feel confident in putting up points every week but also you know also at the end of the first round it's kind of difficult like are you going to take like a a middle tier running back over getting a guy at the very tail end of the top tier receiver group probably not so I think it's I think you for the first time in a long time you're kind of better like you were saying earlier I think you're better to have a top end draft pick because the bottom end that draft it used to be really good to do around and and get that snake go from 10 to 11 and kind of get the double pick or go from you know 12 and 13 and get that double pick but now those guys are just are just a cut a cut below the everybody else so yeah fantasy is one of those things you can go in with a plan and it's like all it takes is one person to just completely derail your plan and derail the whole draft like if if you don't have a top five pick I mean it's going to be mcaffrey it's going to be probably CD lamb Tyreek Hill Justin Jefferson Jamar Chase like those are going to be like your top five and it's like well if you don't get your top five and you get in that you know second tier is like do you jump up and do you grab a bean or do you grab a Bree Hall yeah I think those are two guys you jump for I think bejan and Bree are two guys you jump for when you start getting into the J jir Gibbs State yeah like I'm I'm probably going to rather take like a a higher level receiver but yeah I mean if Bri bej Robinson's available if Bree Hall is available I think you got to jump for those guys so listen I think personally within the first like at least within the first two rounds like I think you do have to jump on one of the running backs because like you said the the wide receiver pool is so like it's so close in terms of like talent and projected points that it's like hey you can get Garrett Wilson in the third round or the second round you know you can get even they have Devonte Adams going at the end of the second round Devon Adams Mike Evans guys Marvin Harrison J like there's like I I feel like you want to jump in at least in like fullo PPR leagues this is all we're going off of but uh having a running back that can do both like Bree Hall and maccaffrey I mean those are two like you know lwh hanging free Fruit beon Robinson they can catch seven balls a game and so easy yeah with that being said though like if those guys aren't available and Bree I would rather get a guy like Devonte Adams Mike Evans um uh Marvin Harrison Jr just because later on down in that draft you're gonna see guys like Aaron Jones fall you're gonna see guys like Rashad white fall you're gonna see guys like James Cook fall so oh yeah so I I I I'm I'm confident in those guys putting up numbers even Alvin CRA is Fallen a ton this year yeah I was goingon to say CRA is like slated even Joe Mixon like you got to think of like the guys that I would go wide receiver in this year's draft go receiver before unless beon Bree or CMC is available once those guys are off the board boom you I'm locked and load receiver like if you have a first round pick and if one of those regardless of where you are unless you're like pick two or three and mcaffry is off the board to where you know like you got to go with a CD Lam or you got to go with a Tyreek Hill because they're just going to score so many points it's going to be hard for you to argue but if you're in that pick like three to six or seven range and like you said or Bree hall or there you just have to take him yeah I agre you're taking them over am man ra right yeah it's close but yeah I know it's close but it's like I mean I'm I don't think there's a wrong decision whether you go Bree hall or am man raah because Aman ra is just so consistent I mean points per week the guy is the guy is probably the most consistent points per week receiver you're going to find so well it's like you know Jonathan Taylor they even have Justin Jefferson 8 which is crazy because he was going one and two last year above mcaffry and now he's like projected eight that's like that's crazy to me but it's like points from running backs are so few and far between I mean yeah but I think this year is going to be a little bit different because I think like I said those three guys I mentioned Aaron Jones Rashad white James Cook plus you're gonna have guys that fall even later probably like David Montgomery Cooper cop yeah no I mean those guys are receivers but I'm saying running backs that are going to get in like coio Herbert right I mean Kenneth Walker projected fourth round that's like a solid yeah that's what I'm saying I think I think it's a little bit deeper than like I think it's more important at this point unless you're getting a top three guy in the running back position to just Stack Up on receiver you can you know what you can kind of play and I've done this before is where if if you don't want to go running back heavy and you want to go wide receiver heavy and in the back of your mind is you know what I'll take a quarterback who can do both whether it's you know Richardson or Lamar sweeper quarterback of the Year Kyler Murray baby yeah Kyler Murray like if like hey you know what I can pick up my quarterback's going to get me 40 rushing yards a game or 30 rushing yards a game like you know Jaylen Herz does that too and if you want to offset that then you have to I think you have to kind of know that going into the draft is like if I'm not going to go running back heavy and I'm going wide receiver heavy you better counteract it with like a quarterback who can kind of do both yeah yeah I like that just to make up the difference whether you know and then from your standpoint of tight ends I know we talked about it earlier I mean picking a tight end whether if you don't get the top one or two people like one person I would stay away from is probably like Mark Andrews at this point he's getting a little up there in age I would still lean heavily on like Kelsey if he's there in the what late second third round kind of deal can K's going to have a monster year I think and you know if if you see him there Evan Ingram caught 100 Balls last year McBride he's going to be the number two target like those are the kind of guys that where if you get them it's like making up a good wide receiver at that point yeah all right well but don't be the guy to take a don't take Patrick Mahomes and like before the sixth round or something like that don't don't be that guy I know I got the Mahomes and Kelsey stack baby like I can't stand the people that just take once once the first quarterback goes and then it's like Lamar uh burrow and it's like so on and so forth It's like well I'm not going to draft anyone till the ninth round so yeah I might end up with Stafford but you know what I could uh one thing I wanted to touch on quick was uh Aaron judge to 300 home runs any any big thoughts coming from a Yankee fan yeah I mean Aaron judge is playing out of his face right now dude I mean Aaron judge is having one of the best seasons we've seen in a long time a long time and I was definitely somebody earlier on who was like Hey this guy's a lot older than people realize he gets injured a lot I don't know if he's worth all this money maybe we shouldn't drop all this money on him like and then he turned down those deals and and next thing you know he goes out plays out of his face he gets a lot of money and I think he's worth every penny I mean and I I'm the first guy to retract that statement you know I mean hey like he's proven was that guy you liked on the Yankees a couple years ago wore the cool Jordan shoes oh my oh Quint Frasier Quint Frasier yeah yeah yeah yeah I was like but but I was number one Clint Frasier fan I loved him I loved him yeah yeah but no Aaron judge has played out of his mind and and it went from it went from oh Juan stto is definitely going to be the best player overall in the Yankees too I don't know about that anymore you know I mean they're neing neck if you had to have one or the other who are you picking I mean right now I mean it's difficult to go against Aaron judge um but I think Juan stto is more consistent and I think Aaron judge has been a little bit of a dud in the playoffs so he's got to turn that around this year if Aaron judge comes out comes out on fire in the playoffs and can get his strikeout number down a little bit and uh you know just have some impact in some big games and big moments then I think he's going to you know totally shift into like an all-time great what the like the Yankees after this All-Star break happened like the little bit of a let down so far and I think you're seeing some of like the playoff woses come in to say well if Soto and judge don't combined get your four runs they might lose the game because everyone else has done nothing that's been a Yankee problem for a while so we'll see how the playoffs Go I mean they're they they're them the Phillies the Orioles they're all in the mix I I would love to see the Yankees get back there I'd love to see Aaron judge have an electric postseason I'd love to see the Yankees play the Phillies Bryce Harper versus Aaron judge it would be incredible it be electric fire who do you think is going to win the World Series I think the Yankees are going to win the World Series oh do you think they're going to play the Phillies I think that they're going to play the Phillies and I think that they're going to beat the Phillies and I think it's going to be the most watch World Series in a long time because I think people have kind of put baseball on the back burner it's not as interesting as maybe it used to be but I think when you get big ticket guys in there like Bryce Harper Aaron judge Juan stto I think it changes the nature of how many people are watching these games well G Cole has to turn it around like one way or but I think that he's yeah he he'll turn it around play all time if they want any postseason success like he's got to turn it around Stanton's got to get a little you know got the Yanke are going to Lock and Load they're going to beat up on the Phillies in the World Series and that's going to be how the season ends I know well one more thing before we sign off is uh the FedEx uh golf tournament was this this week the first round so it was top 70 next week's the top 50 uh one bone to pick I have and I love him as a golfer is Scotty Sheffer going into this week was a little upset with the format of how the golf Playoffs work and if you don't really know how it works is it's the first tournament is top 70 in FedEx points the second one is top 50 and then the last one is top 30 he came out with a statement saying that you know he doesn't think it's right that you say a season long race for the FedEx Cup comes down to one tournament he's like well I could twist my neck in the last tournament and then what I don't play well and then it's over so it's not really a season long race this is kind of like a wake up to Scotty Sheffer saying welcome to sports uh if Patrick Mahomes gets hurt in the Super Bowl in the first quarter they're probably not going to win the game yeah I mean I don't know what weird take weird take out of nowhere from a guy who doesn't really say too much so yeah it's like he's he's usually so conserved and like humble as of a guy to like kind of put that out there as an excuse already to say if I don't win it's because the format stins yeah I don't like that I don't like that but I am a Scotty guy so I'm sure he'll go out there and play unbelievable but I love Scotty too I mean I don't like a built-in excuse though you know what he kind of cried about it last year listen you can argue about the golf forit all you want he only gets he gets two strokes on the guy in second three on the guy in third and then so down the list until you get the 10 then everyone's at even but he starts at minus 10 Xander would be minus 8 I I mean he's going in the tournaments at plus 300 I I truly want to know how much of a lead does he want to say like you know what this is a fair tournament after all yeah weird take weird take I don't I don't like the idea behind him saying that but this isn't a bash Scotty thing like I I love him he's the greatest goer in the world but it's like welcome to every other sports like hey Aaron judge gets hurt Yankees are in the the World Series yeah they might not win yeah I I agree I agree so we'll see how he shakes I I'm sure he'll win I you know I'm sure he'll win if he doesn't win he's going to be top three and they're going to ask him the question again how did you feel that you played this week and he'll probably say it again and then the golf world will just go on yeah yeah it is what it is all right but wrapping things up thank you for tuning in to another episode of the double or nothing podcast just a reminder tune in and listen to all of us uh you know we're on YouTube Spotify Apple podcast uh Tik Tok just search double or nothing podcast yeah thank you next week we'll get into some gambling stuff hopefully and we'll start to see yeah we'll start to see everything take off but I hope so thanks for tuning in thank you