Make Drives Longer and Straighter with Justin James

so we want to welcome you here to another one of the molaska golf video casts and uh we've gotten a lot of good feedback from these and uh we're going to continue to do more and more especially for those who are members of the site and so right now it's not about just being a member but uh you want to make sure you go to molaska golf get involved with molaska golf so these webcasts and these video casts that you can see you can see them live you can get your name in you can ask questions which we're going to do here today but uh this is a great place to learn I mean it's really good for me because I get to hear the questions relative to this whatever we're working on at a particular point in time and we can answer your questions and we can also then give you some drills or ideas about what you're supposed to do now we're very lucky uh tonight uh to have a very good friend of mine in fact I'm going to talk a little a little bit before I even introduce him I've known his dad for a long time probably before he was born so Jerry James and I played mini tours together we played tour events together qualifyings we even played in an event and I'm gonna ask Justin if his dad's ever told him this we played a Celebrity Skins game in California this is probably in the 80s and what stood out to me about that is uh first hole Jerry gets up blasted driver hits it up on the green you know of course I had to hit it down there and hit a wedge on but the next hole was par 4 340 yard Par Four Skins game and those guys hit and I made a hole in one so hole in one on a par four now I've actually got it on tape it's videoed I've got it archived so I can actually prove that I made one hole in one in my life the rest of them are you know you're just calling in but it's going to be interesting to hear uh if Jerry ever told Justin about that but anyways we have Justin James with us tonight who if if most of you don't know who Justin is everybody's after distance well here's the reality Justin is or was and has been one of the longest and still is one of the longest long drive guys in the world now he won the world long drive contest a few years ago he's finished right up there in the top brackets and I've had the pleasure working with him a few times and I think uh what we did really helped him now what's interesting is a lot of what we do with the m system which I'll talk to Justin about a lot of what we do there is a lot of what allows somebody to hit the ball a long ways so without further Ado Justin so how are you doing tonight pal doing great um things are busy around here we're in the uh process of uh of moving uh so this side of the garage is it's okay the rest of the garage is disaster and then um if there's any screaming in the back it's bedtime for the kids so it's pure chaos with the little ones but things are good well that's well that's that's life pal I mean yeah that's that's just what it's all about well uh tell me so when did you start when did you really get involved or decide you were going to do long drive so um it was right after baseball it was 2015 probably um my dad kind of sat me down and was like kind of gave me the it's time to go you know it's time to start training for this this is a good option for you because Golf Channel had acquired long drive uh from art Sellinger they were going to put time money resources behind it and so it was at that point it was kind of a viable career path on the trajectory it was going so I started training for it and probably December of 2015 uh took third in the world in 2016 and then I won in 2017 uh so by nature of you know my dad's coaching I knew exactly what I needed to do and was able to go in there and take care of business well that's that's phenomenal so I mean obviously I I picked the baseball betat up I had it here because I knew where you were going to go with that so a lot of your baseball training and what you did to hit a baseball how how important do you think that was Rel to being a long drive guy well it's extremely important um especially you know going into that first world championship I was a pitcher and I was in the in the pen in Pro Bowl so you know long drive if people don't know I mean how the contests are conducted it's a lot of waiting so you know you hit your six balls and then you're GNA wait and you gotta wait for guys to go on so you're essentially in the bullpen especially in these television events that happen on Golf Channel they can ice you for hour and a half I mean literally when I won the World Championship I think in between the semifinal or the quarterfinal and the final it was an hour uh with the women H in these different competitions so um you know trying to to stay hot get ready that type of thing was crucial from a kinematic perspective you know throwing a ball um and you know swinging a club or swinging a bat there's a lot of similarities and how we want to use the ground uh transfer energy from the ground up into the actual Implement so obviously it's very helpful and then third just from a perspective of chasing power um you know I was an undersized pitcher you know I'm not six foot s i was you know I'm six foot one through 80 something in high school so I was always trying to figure out how to throw a little bit harder gain speed gain speed and the long drive game was the same thing because one mile hour ball speed can can separate and you know these contests are one by one yard um all the time so how much when when you talk about about throwing a ball if I turn and I just throw a ball into that screen there how much of that motion do you think from a kemetic perspective and a sequencing how much of that translates into a golf swing well and to throw correctly you need timing Rhythm Tempo sequencing right you also obviously need that in a a golf swing so you know interestingly enough obviously there's a lot of pitchers that make good golfers now you know they have the time to do it so that's one thing um but you know like who I found in in teaching usually don't make good golfers are like football guys because obviously the the rotational element the timing the the sequencing isn't there as much it's not as demanding in football so you know throwing athletes and there's been uh you know world champion Carl Walter who's a javelin guy right Mark Mark Costello he was Javelin I believe at University of Oklahoma he's a highlevel competitor now so you're throwing athletes um a lot of times really excel in in our world in long drive you know what's interesting what I found Justin is when I take somebody one of the first things I do with them is I have them take a ball and not just toss it but actually you know give it enough throw so I can see how they throw and for me uh from a golf swing perspective everybody has a different when they throw like pitchers will tend to there there'll be a lot of change here and a lot of lag back in here a lot of lag with their arm and then they throw and you get a lot of people that throw where their hips and their shoulders almost go at the same speed like this yeah and so when I have somebody throw it basically tells me when it comes to golf if they throw and they're s they sink out like this if I take him here and try to get them to move and hold this I mean it's like from a genetic DNA for motion it's death yeah and and there's there's been some I mean Nicholas for instance when he throws he throws like this he doesn't there not there's not this this big change of directions and this big lag in his arms so his golf swing was kind of the same thing he didn't have a lot of real quick hips his hips actually looked for most people to be fairly slow but it matched who he was so he still could hit it a long ways because he didn't get out of sequence yeah yeah that's interesting that's kind of like you know in the TPI world uh your disassociation kind of test but you know you're just doing it through throwing which is very interesting to kind of match that up and it's doing sort of the the same thing so if somebody can't separate it all they're going to throw you know like a robot instead of you know leading with those hips well and so when it when it comes to speed or it comes to hitting a golf ball there's a number of players you know Tom Layman and a lot of players who the amount of separation in their from their upper to lower body was was minimal now the sequencing is the same so they still start with their lower body but a lot of them there's a lot less Motion in their lower body before their upper body goes and it's just interesting I've noticed it in the long drive guys I even see different SEC different separation distance in in Long Drive guys also yeah I mean you know like Kyle his hips are going to be I mean he you know he jumps way back his hips are right at the Target I don't open as much somebody like uh Eddie Fernandez who is in the senior division who's still 220 ball speed uh at 53 I believe um you know his he talks about trying to kind of reduce X Factor for him um you know opening his hips at impacts he just feels like that's safer for his uh for his lower back so it is interesting and I've wondered about that myself you know you have some players I think Gordon Sergeant now right whose hips just fly wide open other guys not as much um you know I can't say that it's really helped me trying to fling my hips wide open per se you know so it's always been interesting because you hear people talk about you know twist your hips you know if you want and I have people all the time with that misconception they're trying to hit it longer and just fling their hips open or rotate from the top immediately but you know not the case with everybody obviously well when you and I talked one of the things we talk talked about when you showed up and you hit a couple of balls because of my background and because of your dad trusted me when I was watching you I was watching you from an efficiency perspective and from a potential injury perspective and one of the first things we talked about was when you go back when you come down it's not about how fast you open your hips it's about how you push away from the ball to get your arms to accelerate past you more so than how quick your hips open up because your your hips can open up fast but your body can move closer to the ball and that inside Circle all of a sudden slows down the outside one yeah I mean so gosh seeing you for the first time really helped me because I we both have that b baseball background just get a concept to understand you know where forces should be coming when where should I be pushing from you know what makes a ball hook what makes a ball it's interesting that you know I won a World Championship without I mean I knew how to do all these things but I couldn't explain it you know so I guess I didn't really know it but you know the kind of that first lesson and then getting into the M system and you know rotation push the right hip back get to the lead side push the lead lead hit back it's really that simple and I'm very surprised that um you know how few people understand that as I'm starting to teach more and and work with folks um and and how it's really revolutionary for them and they it starts to click with them but it's it's a it's a natural movement it's I just think people are trying to you know get in a position that like a Gordon Sergeant is instead of just create some efficiency with their their swing Arc well yeah and and the inside Circle controls or stabilizes and accelerates the outside Circle which is the club so if the inside Circle and the outside Circle don't match which when I was watching you and the other thing when you came there they talk a lot about pressuring down into the ground which I I'm kind of okay with some of that but when you talk about a golf swing and you can say what you can tell me what you thought when I told you this but when you showed up you were trying to really get down here so you could jump up in the air so that because the strongest force a human body can make is to is to jump I'm not going to dis I'm not going to try to uh to uh uh argue with that however in a golf swing that would be very efficient if an upward force would be very efficient if the club was swinging right directly below you because then the force of you and the force of the club are in parallel Force vectors so the reality is when you swing a golf club when you if you're going to do that when you come down into the ball the club is on an arc so because the force of the club is on an arc you have to be pushing away in a parallel Force Vector to maintain the stability of your body and so the first thing one of the first things I saw with you is that you you'd start down and you get here and then everything was up and then you get in here and then we you got into the classic flip and here you are hitting massive long drives with a lot of force and because you were up so much pressure on your back and your hands were flipping all of a sudden now you got risk problems yeah I mean you know when you measure my ground forces I mean I'm definitely a vertical guy you know rather than lateral or you know rotational horizontal so vertical is my superpower and it would get to a point it still does where that takes over so it's almost like when I'm hitting it well I have to feel like um or what what will help me is that my lower body doesn't do a lot my shoulders are doing you my dad always yells at everybody uh the shoulders of the motor of the golf swing I just talked to one of his students today he said that helped me so much uh to to stop focusing on his lower body and start focusing on his upper body now that's particular not for everybody but for me whose lower body is very explosive and that is my superpower for me to focus on my shoulders that that tended to help me because it's exactly right I would go so vertical that my lower B my upper body didn't have a chance to rotate and then the club is stuck under the plane and I have to flip to try to catch the face and the thing that was so difficult about that is you know I couldn't I mean some days yeah it's great you know win a world championship other days you know it's hooking it's I don't know where the ball's going so at least now I kind of have some idea of where the ball's going and I can I'm better at fixing it now than uh than I used to but that's always easier said than done at 150 miles an hour for those of you who want to see more about what we're doing make sure you go to alag golf.com and look in the description below and see how you can sign up and be more involved with what we're doing we're going to do a lot of these types of video casts with Justin and a number of other people that I think are just invaluable for the average person so uh make sure you do that uh okay Justin uh the other thing let's talk about what we did with your gr let's talk first about what relative to speed this was interesting you're one of the few guys that really understands this I think everybody sees speed and they hear speed and they hear speed comes from your core now you know I'm not going to disagree that your core is important but relative to you and what you know about training and what you train first and how you build it where's where is or what do you feel like is your biggest speed producer well yeah that's an interesting question I think sometimes athletes will take it for granted uh what they use efficiently already um I know what direction you're going with this and and I'll experience the same thing with folks I'm I can think of a kid right now who's he's just leaving his arms behind his lower body works well he's using the ground efficiently but it's like I want to shake them and say you're allowed to use your arms in the swing so it's the arms folks and with uh the work I do with tile's performance Institute when they're measuring and I don't want to botch the statistics but tour players versus long drive guys the opportunity for Speed there and where long drive guys really accelerate when terms of speed is their arms tend to move a lot faster so I don't have the luxury of taking my hands out of the Swing taking my arms out of the Swing when uh there's four other Psychopaths up there with you all swing at 150 miles an hour you've got to use everything you've got so we got to get the arms going fast and you know to the last point with my lower body working explosive what gets left behind sometimes the arms so I've really I've got to get those arms down through the zone and you know uh in working with my dad and you know throughout my career I found interestingly enough when my hands and my arms do what they're supposed to do in terms of you know the Impact Zone and whatnot generally the rest of my body is performing correctly well what you just said there it's interesting I mean I've spent a lot of my career studying different things and one of the things I talked to some people about learning and how we learn motor patterns and basically your motor patterns are developed when you're a baby in the womb the first thing you develop is your core because you're going to go through the birth canal and you have to protect your spinal column and everything from all that pressure so it kind of develops first and it takes over and protects that but once you're born as you start learning how to move you know you're moving your hands arms and feet first and then your hands are reaching for something and you can't C you you you can't quite reach it so then all of a sudden oh so you know it's it's it's called tactile learning and so a lot of people very seldom have I seen anybody who if they if they get set up in a neutral position where their body can move and you say Okay I want to I want you to stand here and I want you to take your arms and put them back here I've very seldom seen anybody not move or or do something weird so if they say well here's the task of my arms and here's the task of my arms it's interesting how well their body moves to accommodate the task of moving their arms yeah I found similar experience um you know if you're using a lot of I mean I guess it's possible to flip but I just don't find that people really really flip unless you know the only way they flip is if you keep your body completely still right even if I have people do lto l or whatever drill it is I mean their body is working if their arms are are working so I really haven't had and I obviously don't have the experience you do teaching but I I've not had a student yet where I say hey use your arms more where their body just stops it's just their sequence usually gets better when they speed their arms up and you know more compression and you know they hit it farther when you throw a ball if you if you tell somebody okay they throw it and you say now throw it harder and you watch them relative to what their arm can do and how who they are from a DNA movement pattern they throw it soft they throw it a little harder they throw it a little harder and you you watch them they're trying to make the the key is to make this go faster but they're thinking about make their arm go faster but their body kind of knows how to create leverage to for the arm to create Force to go now what's interesting like you said very seldom you say tell somebody throw the ball really hard are they going to stand there and just go like this their body's going to move now what I've learned over the years is there isn't any one method or idea necessarily that fits everybody it's a blend of movements and some people need a little more body depending on where they are in the learning curve some people need a little more hands and arms and you know I found it interesting when you and I first started talking is we talked about we got your grip on there we started talking about just how you use your wrists and your hands and arms to create speed now to me when I watched you do that when you started to feel that when we moved your grip where that lever system could work correctly where all you had to do was go here where you had it so weak when we started and too much in the palm of your hand your left wrist you it was hard for you to get your wrist a lever and then coming down your wrist had tried to lever and then you had to flip it so much to catch it up so how you grip it and how you use your hands and wrists is critical if if that's off the rest of it doesn't matter yeah I mean that's one of like my speed hacks you know when I do speed schools and um you know one of the first things I try with people is you know strengthen your grip because I've experienced that I mean look I'll you know maybe play with a um a weaker grip and then I'll say I'm going to you know or I'm experimenting with a weaker grip then I go to do a speed session and I look down in 30 balls when you know maybe I start at 200 or 190 ball speed and now I'm at 210 215 I look down I go uhoh my grip is strong again and the the wear pattern on my grip is you know right where you would think it is BEC I mean my body's protecting itself is what I'm saying like I can't swing at 150 miles and my body won't really allow me to do that like even though I think I am I look down and and my grip is strong so um you know there's definite speed there you know people who see me they're just like I want to hit it farther I don't care what what happens I don't care what you tell me I'm going to do it so you know we mess around with strengthening that grip and you know there's speed to be had there because that's just anatomically that's just a say you're more comfortable producing speed there well the other thing too is when you look at from a physiological perspective and you look at the joints and the wrist and you look at how the rist work and if you're going to apply force and hit something I mean I've never taken anybody who takes a stick of some sort and you put it in your in their hands and you tell them to hit a tree or something I I've never seen anybody take it and put their hand like this and hit the tree like that I I've never seen that happen so so Instinct like hitting a baseball and hitting a baseball you're Palm down to Palm up but if you tried to hit a baseball and you turned your left hand over and you hit it like this you'd break your freaking wrist so from an anatomical perspective relative to receiving Force the the this whole baseball which here it looks like well that would be really strong well you're you're basically here parallel to the ground but if I take that grip and I turn it down to here all of a sudden that doesn't look so strong and my wrist then is in the strongest position it can be in to lever and take the force that you're going to put into the ball so I you know I'm a I'm just a big proponent of anatomically aligning the risk the way they're designed and the way they handle Force the easiest with the least amount of compensation yeah and I mean you did the you know the Hang test with me right and I I mean I'm very internally rotated when I do that with other people I notice they're not quite as much but I mean certainly I mean if you just look at and I don't I don't think I have worn out grip around me but I could show you some where you know it's literally on the side of the grip let's see I mean and I I use these obnoxiously large grips too but I mean usually I'll get wear pattern here you know way on the side um you know from and even if I feel like I'm like I said if I feel like I'm maybe weaker I'm gonna look down and my my grips worn out over here so what's happening is like mid swing a lot of times I'm producing the force on the the side of the grip um so you know I'd probably be better off just putting it there to begin with um because that's where the force is going through the club is on the the side of the grip like that well you know I like I say again uh when I look at people I say okay if you want to create maximum speed and force you've got this one going this way and you've got this one going this way and if those two wrists and this wrist if you were to fall to the ground I tell people all the time so if I was sitting here and I fell to the ground this hand would go like that there's no way it would go like this to catch the ground that way and it wouldn't go to the side or this side it' go right in the middle of my palm and itd stop me so it just like you hit a wall like that so if that wrist wants to be in that position to to take on force and this one wants to be there if you put them there and then you just leverage them back and then you turn and now you got no trouble catching the face up so I just think what we did with you when we talked about grip and you played around with it I think more than anything all I did for you was and and your dad both of you was give you the green light that that was actually that instinct was actually good it wasn't a bad Instinct that was actually your body saying Listen Justin you keep doing this I can't catch the face up from here yeah no it's exactly right it it simplified things it kind of uh again natural natural insight like what I'm observing why is my wear pattern on the uh right side of my grip and you know I'm gripping it weaker um reinforce those things I remember the lead side too uh we talked a lot about the the lead leg which I had kind of no concept of and I think we spent a lot of time that day you know pulling shots getting my lead side to work as a gaspal heard you talk about that but it wasn't until you know you kind of green lit me to just you know hey push that hip back it as crazy as it sounds I you know just won a World Championship the year before but I was in bad form at the time that you know I came and saw you because a lot of people were trying to help me you know with consistency and be more consistent and all it it just made me worse and worse as they tried to kind of slow down my you know natural movement hey let's start with our weight on our Trail side and and just develop more of a consistent swing because you know your 90% is going to be better than the rest of the guys um where you know with the m system it was like okay push from the lead side move our Center of Mass on the trail side push the right hit back get into the lead side push the left hit back that was a heck of a lot easier to navigate around rather than like you know just being I felt like you know when I saw you I was just kind of this robot like we're going to start our weight on our Trail and then you know we're going to have kind of have this careful I was just I was in swing prison in a way well yeah you know athletes a lot of what we did is again it was free you up to be an athlete again to be a baseball player so we took you and we went left to go right to go left which is now you see Dr Quan and all these guys are always talking about you know how do you create maximum force with your body and they all talk about you know you've got to go left to go right to go left and then it's then it's the time timing of those and once you freed up from I mean one of the things that killed people in golf was starting from a static position you know no more no more impact fix start here do a little bounce do something but start there and take the club back when in everything you're Garden somebody in basketball if I've got to go this way I'm gonna go left to go right I mean so you have to go boom boom okay so the golf swing that's athletic and when they try to get you to start from this static and there's no left to right your brain is relative to sports it's trying to figure out what the heck what are we doing here so that frees you up and then understanding that this hip it's not about how fast your hips turn necessarily it's about as the force of the club's coming back in front of you how far back does this push back to offset the forward momentum of the club to accelerate it out here and what you were doing is losing so much of that because you went here and you went straight up and so even though your hips were turning you were up in here doing it so that when we talked about that and I would tell everybody out there like say going to the m system and looking at how the right arm and the left hip how those two match and the better you get those to match then here we go now as you match then this becomes the gas pedal because if they're matched and this accelerates this accelerates and they're doing it sequentially together yeah and that's where you know the M system you can ask the guys I compete out uh on tour with is you know I probably hit the slow I probably the slowest ball speed of any competitor on the range and then hopefully I'm a little bit faster on the tea but I do a lot of these drills and I'm not perfect you know I I get out of sequence and the end of this year I was a little I got it back at the the last tournament the world championship pretty good but you know with long drive any anything that goes wrong normally it's going to go wrong twice as fast because we're swinging so hard so it's particularly important um you know I hit a lot of these chips with the driver just pushing back with the left hip trying to uh match up the right arm with the left hip and I'm G to hit these little baby shots I think people are surprised a lot of times they're at a a long drive contest and they're watching me warm up and I'm hitting 100 10050 yard drivers um just trying to get that relationship of squaring up the face and then take that progressively faster and faster and faster but that's really what helped me because before it was kind of just you know you show up at a grid and it's like my goodness who knows what I've got today and then what I've got on the Range who knows what it might be on the the T boox so it's provided me a lot of structure um and simplicity and you know I'm always very guilty of taking for granted what I know so now when we talk about things like you know you got to go get left to go right to get left you know I'm like isn't that common sense I mean just from the athletic background and do we really need 3D and all these things to to understand that but um you know that's stuff that I I learned from you but it's inherent in any other sport I don't care if it's bowling or baseball or whatever um you're going to load and unload your weight athletically and you know that's ultimately going to create the most efficient uh motion as well all right again make sure you go to malaska golf . and uh look at the section below and make sure you get signed out because we're going to do more and more of these podcasts live video casts and they're going to be really valuable because we start talking to to uh people who are experts in each one of these fields and they're going to help you like Justin here tonight I mean you couldn't find a better guy to talk to about hitting it long and so the the the things that he's found out that have helped him are the same things that can help you and also make sure sure you get involved because we got a 50% off this entire the rest of this month in Alaska golf on a um a yearly membership and we've got a whole bunch of giveaways and everything that we're doing with that so again make sure you look at the description below so you know how to get signed up uh I see you said something there that I that you know I I it's just the more I talk to it doesn't matter what athlete or what sport they basically now Nicholas made a comment he said every day is an opportunity to reinvent himself so what he meant was he comes out and every day he starts over so it's like he's learning the swing again and every year what Jack used to do is he would take two or three months off he wouldn't even touch a golf club and then he would come back and he'd get with his teacher Jack grout in like the middle of January the end of January and Jack would grout would come out and so what would they start on they' start on his grip his ball position his aim and his posture I mean this is one of the best players maybe the best player in the history of golf and so he would spend quite a bit of time just making sure his grip and his aim and his posture was right on that he could set up to the ball and everything was good and then he would start with just little teeny motions you know he'd find his impact position and he'd work that and then he'd gradually build his swing and and the reality is when I talk to pretty much every really good athlete at anything when they come to start a baseball game or golf or tennis they reinvent themselves you know I talked to uh Pete sanr decent tennis player and I talked to him a little bit about you know how he would warm up and he he basically well I'd start with this I said well if that's a little off what would you do he said well I would stay there until it was right and they weren't in a rush they were not in a rush to see how far they could hit it far wasn't even in their head because they knew that if they got the sequences together and everything was right as they added speed far would show up and that's basically what you were just telling me and I wish the people that are listening here would have just some concept of what that whole practice issue is yeah and you know I wish I was better at it when I'm going right I'm I know the better the more patient I am uh the more success I'll have long drives hard who who time out time out time out folks did this is the world long drive CH what did he just say he said The more patient he is so we all have trouble being patient we all want to stand there and just give it full effort but if you really want to get better then once you identify what you're trying to do you want to slowly build it up and if you get to a speed where you can't control I don't think more speed's going to make you magically better yeah and that's where I will get off and obviously again my business is hard because you got to have ball speed but you know a lot of times you got to slow down to speed up and you know as an athlete I you I I will say it's hard to coach yourself very very difficult so that's why it's very beneficial to you know have somebody like yourself somebody there taking you through a session um but when I will get off it's just you know machine gun and balls and the off seasons for me are often really productive because I don't have an event coming up and I can you know take my time and hit balls and I'll say oh man all of a sudden I'm I'm hitting it great now you know I wish I had a competition tomorrow so um you know the more patient I am the better things go and for the average person out there who's not trying to be a world long drive champion who plays real golf um you you know the first step in hitting it farther is finding the middle of the face being able to you know change manipulate your launch angle which will then change your spin rate you know the focus is so much on speed right now Club head speed right and and ball speed swinging faster and the nervous system well if your swing stinks you're not I don't you know I've had a lot of guys want to do long drive that are absolute units you know oil rigman and I mean truck and just big guys swing 140 miles an hour no issue but they're five down and five to the left how far you think that Ball's going yeah so I'll get them you know chipping balls and try and they're like hey I'm here for a long drive and you know guess what they don't improve as much as they should because they just want to launch it but they're not willing to go slow to go fast so you know for your average person I think before we start doing uh nervous system training and you know taking some of the risks there if we can learn to lever the club hit the middle of the face you know can you hit a driver 125 yards at a 15 degree launch angle and you know let's see I don't know 75 miles hour ball speed or whatever it would be because you know for me unless I can going back to baseball background unless I can hit you in the chest from 45 feet just flipping it how in the world am I going to expect to throw a 90 M hour fast ball on the black you know so it's I think it's the same thing if I can hit a driver at a half speed which is very difficult because of the Loft and spin rate Etc but it's a great drill to do if I can hit that driver at half speed in the fa with the draw that I want or the fade that I want then from there I can hit the accelerator but if I'm just flailing hitting it all over the place that's very unproductive and we're all guilty of that but the productive the it it comes from other sports as well and if we're playing baseball we're playing tennis and we're you know if we're playing tennis and we keep launching it over the fence or something trying to hit a forehand we're going to slow it down and uh you know try to get our Rhythm and then and then gradually add speed and that's what you've got to do with the driver or you're not going to get better you got to gradually add speed folks again I want you to pay attention to what Justin's saying here you got somebody who's as good as there is and as fast as they can get in long drive and he's saying that he has to spend time if he can't control it at a 100 miles an hour or if he can't can't hit it 100 yards with control then uh 290 the the control isn't just going to automatically show up so it's about understanding what are you trying to do going through the correct process I know when I've watched the Diamondbacks I mean these guys are world class hitters yet when they start every day when they start what do they start they start with the ball on a te and they just practice hitting the ball off the tea and make sure that all their alignments and everything are exactly what they want to put the maximum Force into the back of the ball and then they have soft toss and they're doing now they're doing it soft toss and then they have a little bit faster now if all of a sudden they're they're all over the place they don't say well okay bring the speed you know they're going to stay there until they get the plane of the bat doing what it's supposed to be or they don't go any faster and I didn't even know but I guess now in baseball these guys you can tell me if I'm wrong here Justin but they have in The Dugout they can H hit they can go in The Dugout and in the back of the Dugout they'll have a batting hitting cage and they can go in there and actually hit between hits yeah yeah they a lot of them have the uh the hitting tunnel um I guess underneath the stadium but yeah I mean what the guys do yeah well so they go up and they have a good or a bad time at bat they come in and they go in and they stand there and they either fix or they duplicate what they're doing that's incredible I didn't know you could do that yeah really like uh in my business because I was a pitcher it's kind of not fair because you know and they also have the the visualization and and all the scouting reports and I mean they probably you know I've seen in some of like uh maybe Japan they have the screen of the guy up there throwing and then there goes your pitch with your spin rate and and the whole shot so a lot of times I'm watching baseball now and that's to get Sid track this guy throws a great pitch and the guy hits it in the third row you know the bleachers I'm just like that's it's just not fair with how good some of these hitters are you know they don't get away with much anymore no no I mean it pitchers if they if you throw a if you get a lame pitch in the wrong place it's gone I mean they just they just well it's the same with golf I mean you these guys have now got with the equipment and the ball they've got it to the point where they stand up there and I mean basically with the driver it's KD bar the door but they've earned the right again we go back to the baseball players that start start off the tea you go back to the tour players who start warming up on the Range every one of them goes through the same process I mean I remember asking Jack one time he's hitting balls so he's hitting little wedges he's starting to warm up and he says I'm just getting you know I'm just getting loose and I said okay so he makes a swing and he hits one I go did you like to fly to that one he goes no no it slid up the face a little he said it was a little to the right I said so you GNA make an adjustment well yeah I'm going to do this I said so you're not just warming up you know you're yeah you're loosening up but you're also dialing in your feel for control of the club and trajectory and spin and all that stuff now those guys have done it so many times that it's just Instinct for them they don't go through they don't have a list that they have to go through but for the average person if you had that list and you went through that list and you went and played and then you came back in and you fixed what wasn't good on the golf course you I mean people would get so much better it's incredible yeah and uh you know this is kind of sacri relegious for me to say because I'm in the the industry right I I don't really I don't warm up maybe as such as much as I should I like to in a competition I like to hit a lot of warm-up shots with the iron let my body you know gradually I mean I'm hitting these little chips just like we're talking about and I'll I'll show up maybe half an hour earlier than other guys but you know instead of doing a lot of the dynamic warm-up exercises that you know my business would teach me and that I believe in but I I like to let my body loosen up like that and I feel like I'm just as ready but it gives me the time and kind of the excuse to spend a little bit more time clipping those irons whereas if my body was good oily and ready to go I might just start you know reach for the driver a little earlier than I should so that's really important and I'm not telling people to not warm up but to spend the time um you know hitting those half shots getting compression so many people they just go straight to a full swing and you know I think I learned from you too you know no such thing as a a full swing or no such thing as the top but that's been really helpful with some of the folks that I've worked with is just eliminate the terminology full swing and that's why I really struggled you know working with my dad he give me these phenomenal drills and then I would say okay now I'm going to make go make a full swing so I'd have a space for the drills over here and then I'd go ahead and throw those out the window and then go to my full swing and wonder why they didn't blend instead of taking the drill and then adding a little horsepower adding a little horsepower adding a little horsepower and now you know that drill is you know I'm hitting it farther than I would with my full swing quote unquote that was always a struggle for me and that's a mental trick that has worked well with myself and then with other people especially the Elder L drill you're like well my eler L is farther than my full swing I'm like I think you've got a new swing you know that's right well that's just because the sequence and the lever starts but looks like we've got a few questions here so uh I'm gonna have Javier you know scream out a couple of these questions see if we can answer them all right so from old Bill camper how do you open the hips first that for me well then it goes to so should I open my hips first or my shoulders first either one of you could take a stab all right well the the question is uh how do I open my hips first you you don't you're not supposed to open your hips first it depends on what you mean by that so that's where people start to get this concept and Justin you can jump in here but if you get here and you think that the task is to open your hips well then you spin out of the way of it and you don't really accomplish what you're trying to accomplish if you're up here and you move into your left side and you push this left hip back this hip socket so you're moving joints you're not spinning hips so when I move these joints if I move up to my left side and my left leg pushes this hip socket back you look at that and you say well there you go your hips turn well but I don't feel my hips turn I'm not forcing rotation and for sure your hips start to unwind before your shoulders do it's different in different players but that's just an automatic kemetic sequence in anything that you do so Justin you can take whatever you want to go and go with that but I would just say that's a matter of you move up here and you're moving your hip socket out of the way more than trying to twist your hips I that that twists your hips thing clear your hips that's that's like for me that's like fingernails on a chalkboard relative to I know what tour players mean when they say that but I also know what the average person on the Range thinks they're trying to do which isn't even close to the same yeah I would say um Bill the answer is is neither uh you actually I mean obviously your hips your shoulders are going to open I don't think you want to try to do either and especially your well I would say especially both so in transition here's a a big problem is you know most people um let me see if I can back up here so we can see this like Mike was saying if we get to the top okay our first move is we need to go lateral before we go twist all right most people who stink and they stink because they try to open their hips they go twist first all right and when it when it talks about U we're talking about using the ground so I talk about and it's not that it's my terminology but it's a good feel for me having to earn the right to rotate so I've got to get with my uh Cent My Kind of center of mass this AIS I've got to get it on the trail side rotate and then I've got to get this back to the lead side before I rotate if I don't get back to my lead side and I try to clear my hips two things are going to happen number one I'm going to be over the top okay number two from a from using the ground okay if the lead side is our gas pedal and that's what accelerates the club forward all right it's this relationship with this hip and this arm if I take my hips and I spin immediately I've given away all my leverage I can't use the ground so I was looking at an angle of maloid the other day and it is that there's a slight kind of I think this is the right angle but a slight in transition his knee is gonna his left knee will get there's a little bit of uh flexion so in other words if I'm going to vertical jump I can't vertical jump with straight legs okay I've got to get into the ground and then push away from the ground if I want to use my lead side as an accelerator as a gas pedal I've got to get weight into my lead side to use my lead side right so in in in a way I want to delay the rotation I'm rotating my right side then I want to get into my lead okay and this is exaggerated here but that's you know I I practice that exaggerated feel into my lead and then I can push away again if you spin your hips immediately you can't push away and that's where people will back foot it and they will early extend you've got to get your weight into your lead side to use your lead side so I would not try to uh twist early with your shoulders or your hips take and I actually heard falo um Nick falo talked about this interestingly enough he said the golf swing there's you know most people think it's turn turn around one axis he said you've got it's really it's realistically it's a right access you turn then it's a left access and you turn or just push your hip back get your right side push your hip back get your left hip push your hip back you know what's interesting uh you talked about Roy there I'll talk about another player that had a decent career uh Mr Nicholas and I've talked to Jack multiple times about what he feels like or doesn't feel like he's doing with his hips and when you watch Jack and he he sets up and then he he does his little deal here you know I so it looks like his hips are turning a lot and then he all of a sudden he gets here and he's right there and then and he goes so I asked him I said so Jack when you get it when you set when you take the club away what are you are you trying to turn your hips he goes what do you mean turn my hips I go well you know he catches me so many times with terminology you know so and I said so what are you doing and he said well all he really does he says I get set up to the ball where I'm balanced and I'm comfortable and he says and as I go back I just want to make sure that this right hip is as far out of the way as I can possibly get it so I create as much space in here as I can to get my arms to come down into before I go you know and the other thing that he practiced his entire career was he wanted the placket on his shirt of his upper body so he'd go back and he'd start down he wanted the plet to feel feel like the plet on his shirt was pointing to the right of the ball when he hit the ball now when you watch him you know he has this lateral move I said well what was the he had this this he would stomp his left foot so he'd go back and he'd turn and he was his flexibility was minimal so to get his hips to turn his foot would lift up and then the first move he'd make right in here was it' stomp his left heel down well that stomping his left heel down did what just what you just said and then he felt like he had all this space and all he would do is make the club run into the ball I said what about your turn on the follow through your hips he goes I never never really thought about it much so he said I felt like that I that I was this way I asked him I said so how come you fall back on every shot you hit and he goes I don't I don't fall back so he takes a little wedge little teeny wedge and he goes and he goes oh yeah I guess I do fall back so I said well why do you fall back he goes Well you certainly don't want to go forward I said why don't you want to go forward he goes well Mike the weight of the club's going forward if I'm going the same direction the weight of the clubs going I'm going to slow it down so if the club's going forward once I get here the club's going forward I want to be going back and that's going to accelerate the club and if you watch all of his swings on TV that he all of his drivers swings he was back here so Force went right it went left he didn't feel like he had any turn and then he all he did from there is he just pushed back to throw the club forward all right next question hi Mike I've been watching your videos and I have improved a lot but I'm still having trouble ball going out to the right I do have a natural F can you help me out keep putting out your videos what was his name Jim Jim here's here's what I would say about the balls going out to the right obviously if the ball's going out to the right let me grab my teaching Aid here obviously if the ball's going out to the right at impact the face is open so here's there be two things I would say one make sure that you get your left hand grip strong enough so when the weight of the club pulls on your arms and these joints line up the way they're designed to line up that that squares the face now if your left hand's on there correctly and you're still leaving the ball out to the right the best thing I found for me for my game if I'm doing something poorly so let's say I'm hitting it to the right I had a a good friend of mine when I first started I'd say Andy go I'm slicing everything fading it he said well go out and play nine holes where all you do is take it it back and just turn the face over and hit big big hooks to the total opposite and he said so I'd go out and do that for nine holes and hit big Hooks and then I'd come back and he says okay now just go ahead and make a swing and see what happens and I'd be somewhere between the middle and all of a sudden I'd have the face control back so my instinct with you would be make sure your left hand grips right and te some balls up and take the club back and boom overdo it and really hook it and then gradually take the rotation out until you find the feel for the timing to make the ball go straight the last thing you want to try to do is fix the fade at full velocity it won't it won't work so Justin how you go with it yeah I you know I'd second that I think that you know I found that people are normally able to make corrections I had a a guy um in one time who every shot he hit with a driver is like five down okay or or like three down five hitting a Big Slice yeah well when when we got him chipping drivers his attack angle is positive three so I said you are capable you can do it it's like in the you know the fitness world is it a is it a flexibility problem or is it a stability problem right so you know if you can't touch your toes what you might do is you know put somebody on the ground if they can touch your toes there or you know they can't squat but you know you get them on the ground they can pull their knee to their chest well they they can do it it's just there's you know a break in the chain somewhere so if you slow it down and again I would I would venture to say that Jim can probably hit an eight iron kind of chippy uh and not block it out right and he can fix it there then if he adds a little bit of speed right 5% 5% 5% and you know if he's chipping at 30 yards to begin with and you know in eight shots he's still down that line and it's 130 140 yards we're almost all the way there that's how you fix the problem and I think again going back to my own struggles it was always you know drill lands over here full swing lands over here and uh you've got to blend those and and too many people you know bind to this concept of a full swing and they never get better now when Justin's talking about down and stuff like that what he's talking about is angle of approach so almost everybody who slices the ball when they when they swing the club the driver their angle of approach is too steep into the ball coming this way and all of the good players when they hit it they're catching the ball at the bottom of the arcer slightly on the upswing and I think most of the long drive guys Justin what how many degrees up are most of those guys hitting it oh um I mean I'm probably on the lower end I'll be five to eight most guys now it's just a freak Show I mean they'll be 10 I mean guys low guys are hitting it 250300 feet in the air I mean it's just it's unbelievable so well so so and that's the only Club you can really do that with because the ball's sitting up on a te so because it's on a te you can be here and your Club bottoms out right here and then you can catch it on the upswing that's that you know so it's on a t so a driver and a putter or the two clubs that you catch on the upswing as opposed to everything else when the ball's on the ground you're catching it slightly on the downswing but the point he made is most people who slice the ball are too steep into the ball they come down on too steep angle if you just get the club coming in shallower all of a sudden your launch angle changes dramatically you hit it solid then you get face control and you build the speed now I want to say something about what Justin just said a minute ago about his drills relative to his swing if you watch the tour I could take anybody on tour pretty much and watch them make one swing I could go to the first te and watch almost every one of these guys make one swing and I could probably tell you who they're working with and what they're working on and the reason is they all make practice swings and those practice swings are usually exaggerations to get a feel for what they want their real swing to do now the practice swing they make let's take Alex sorn because everybody you see him and he stands there he even does without his Club he goes like this and the first thing he does is he gets here and he goes and he twists the heck out out of his shoulders you know and then but then he gets up to the ball and he hits it and when he hits it his shoulders are right here they're not Twisted out of the way why does he do that well they're they've come up with drills that give them feelings so in their practice swing they're doing drills to give them a feel then when they get up to the ball they they tie into the overall motion that the drill gave them so they're they're they're not thinking about positions they're thinking about motion impact and what they need to make the ball go at the Target so you have to learn once you find a drill that helps you and golf you should integrate it into every practice swing you make because all you're trying to do is trigger a muscle firing pattern and if you get a drill that triggers the correct muscle firing pattern I get people that ask me all the time well so when should I use this drill I go before every shot before every shot that's what the tour players are doing so they're just trying to find something that gives them a sense of what they're trying to do with the club and once they find it they're they I mean they'll do it religiously I mean you see these guys they're making hundreds of practice swings in round of golf all right next question all right this one goes to Justin does Justin use straight line forces when he moves his hips during the swing this is some of the things that Mike has talked about before very interesting in hearing how he engages yeah well I certainly try to again my my thought is um you know my weight I start on my lead or if I'm just thinking of my center of mass in terms of my sternum you know I'm starting on my left foot pushing into my trail foot which moves my center of mass behind the golf ball I mean especially you know I hit drivers right so wants to get way back there and then I'm pushing my trail hit back pushing my left shoulder down that keeps me my posture then in transition I need to get to my lead side very rapidly so I get my way in my lead foot and then I push away from the golf ball with my lead foot and that runs the golf uh the club into the ball I that's how it's supposed to work sometimes it goes a little sideways but in theory that's how it's supposed to work no I I mean that's when people start to understand that I I think the question we had before about turning immediately uh I mean there some things in golf that just absolutely aggravate the heck out of me relative I know where they came from I know why guys say them but the reality is that the average person hears it and based on their vocabulary and their understanding of a term they're you're putting the wrong task in their head so now they're dead because they're what they're telling their body to do is your eyes perceive something your brain receives a picture your body reacts to it you better be D sure that the picture you're giving your brain is the right one all right next question all right hi Mike long time M here L distance in the past couple years used toage 27 uh plus one or two per round 300 maybe now struggling to get to 250 swing speed down 10 plus miles an hour any ideas I feel like I have a mental Governor don't physically feel different than before Poss with my swinging well here's you know I'm 70 now I've had a stroke I've gone through a lot of things I'm losing speed also but what I do is I make sure as I would with you I would start and make sure that you understand this lever system and how your hands wrists and arms work like this now most people that I see don't have that action they don't create speed here they don't have this now when I watch Justin I mean he doesn't drag the handle through the ball these guys can't do this you can't hit it anywhere doing this they get and that sets and they just throw and they accelerate the hell out of that club headit so I would say start with just hitting some shots where you just use your hands and wrists now you see when I'm doing this I'm making sure that I get this lever system to work and I hit it and my body's not moving much now if I I do this it looks kind of Flippy I won't disagree with that so this doesn't look like anything you've seen But if I keep the same feeling going and then all of a sudden I turn my body as I do it you go well that looked pretty good okay so you kind of have to isolate and then put things together the first thing I see people lose because they never really had it was the ability to lever the club a lot of guys are strong enough that when they're young younger they can make it go a long ways with what they use with their upper bodies and their their core as they get older that they can't move that as well so they because they've never learned to use this part of the Swing you know now so so get back and go back to these Basics and if you watch what I'm doing here I hit balls all the time I just tee a ball up and I just go now you'd be surprised how far that goes okay and then all I do is I just let my body turn a little bit more as I do it and so that's what I would say to do I mean especially if you're losing distance go to the first thing where distance goes away and that's that lever system Justin you got anything to add to that sure yeah I mean when we're evaluating a player in distance whether they're six years old or 60 years old it's it's three areas um we start with golf swing is your swing efficient conducive to power um then we move to equipment so and part of the you know the golf swing too is uh you know do you have the mobility uh to you know to disassociate do you have the mobility to if you're just totally tied up right there's some physical things we need to do but generally do you understand how to operate the the golf club to produce distance like mik Mike is talking about with the lever system Etc okay then equipment all right we can optimize and we can tweak your equipment um I try to find you know theoretically you know 10 yards from the swing 10 yards from equipment and then we look at your motor so you know are you a V4 you know engine then we try to get you a V6 and a V8 so we evaluate and we screen those areas you know you're telling me you don't feel any different but what we would do is we would we' get and actually physically screen you and then if you were like a long-term client or you Tour player we would know what your vertical jump was in in 2020 and where it is now and so and that's what I'll do with machines like the Proteus and some of my statistics is I know I have a history of of where my power is at so if my power is right in line I and my speed's down I know it must be something with my golf swing I know it must be something with the equipment because I'm moving well um obviously we're going to lose power as we get older and what I mean by power is you know your vertical Jump's not going to be as high at 70 as it was at 50 as it was at 40 obviously however the the opportunity we have with equipment and just learning to lever the club and operate it correctly the equipment is unbelievable and I just talked to a friend today he said I'm 74 I'm hitting it as far as I did you know virtually ever because you know I kind of know how to operate the club again with the driver I'm hitting it on the way up you know I mean if you use a prob you want X or a left I mean these between the golf ball and what you're able to do in the driver with the center of gravity if you know how to operate the club and and how the driver is supposed to operate and contact the golf ball it's not all about Club head speed right it's about you know hitting the center of the face producing some ball speed but optimizing those numbers and again going back to where I was you know 20 30 minutes ago in the conversation before we're worried about Club head speed or doing speed set SS can you show me that you can optimize launch angle and spin rate and then from there then we can start to think about adding some speed but there's a ton of opportunities to get longer to push the ball down the Fairway before talking about Club head speed all right I'm gonna have to get you with me because I just played in the Utah open and and at 70 I used to I'm I'm I'm slowing down pal of course my vertical jump when I was in High School playing basketball my dad had watched me he'd watched me says mike he says you know what the only reason you have any vertical jump is because your knees band because he says you jump and your head doesn't move up at all he says the only thing that happens is your knees Bend and you put your feet back on the ground it looks like you jumped well hopefully you produce Force more laterally or maybe horizontal well that's what I that's what I am I'm not a vertical guy I'm more of a lateral guy the whole whole vertical thing here for me uh yeah when you put them together I mean that that I don't I'm not quick enough I don't have enough fast twitched muscle fiber that's why I was more of a distant swimmer I was anything that was really smooth and long I was good anything that took like real fast uh muscle fiber things I was not as good at you know so that's why I was good at swim long distance I was better running long distance I never was a really good Sprinter I was pretty good in baseball because it wasn't about how fast my body would go I mean I was good with my hands and arms so I could create a lot of Speed without having a lot of necessary quickness in my lower body yeah that's interesting I I wonder uh and not to get sidet track but any golfers that you can think of that were you know you have like your very Twitchy athletes you know like you're you know I think of from the baseball world those Dominican guys who are 5'10 but throw a 100 and just you know they're 160 pounds and just there was fast twitch I don't see a lot of those engulf you know I wonder if well I'll I'll guarantee you guys like if we tested them which there are easy ways to test fast switch muscle fiber guys like will zuris Justin just Justin Thomas yeah um even Rory see Rory is not very big but you know if you looked at him relative now Ernie El's for instance predominant SL twitch that's why his swing same with same with VJ Singh I mean I I would bet these guys those guys wouldn't have very much vertical you know and that so they use long swings and long levers and really smooth actions to create a lot of speed and even if you told them to swing fast if you told me to swing fast I can't I mean my fast swing looks like most people's normal swing so I've been blessed and cursed with that at the same time so it's it's interesting we'll have to talk about more when we get together okay next question when I my left hip begins to get hurt what am I doing wrong well I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you exactly what that is I can almost guarantee it so you're back and you start down and you try to push off your left you're pushing up and you're locking this knee and this hip is going this way as opposed to pushing back away see my hip is safe because my left leg never totally straightens now I know a lot of guys do but mine I get down here and I hit the ball and my hips out of the way and my knee still slightly flexed now the guys whose leg hyperextends their Lead Foot is clear off the ground so that rotation they're not their foot isn't in the ground so if your foot's in the ground and you straighten your hip and you twist your foot there's so much torque going into your hip you're going to kill it if my knee stays flexed all of that Force goes into my my knee absorbs that shock so you want to do one of two things I mean you're either going to have to get to your left side and when you push you're going to have to go up onto your heel where your foot turns out or you're going to have to keep your knee a little more flexed Justin you go yeah I you know one other thing obviously I haven't seen you swing but one thing that I struggled with uh for a bit I was getting some uh pain in my left hip is in transition interesting enough uh because I was working a lot I like the uh the Tilt boards right just for and do drills on them medball drills but what I was doing unfortunately is I was letting my left hip get lower than my right hip in transition and you know if you see like my belt line here what was happening is you know I was putting a ton of force on this left hip but when this was lower it it had nowhere to go was kind of getting stuck so I was getting pain in like the outside of my ankle and in my hip and Greg Rose actually helped me with this it's he he you know it's very important that you know our left hip is a bit higher than our right hip in transition that felt like a slide to me for a little bit but when I felt you know that lateral push and that lead hip getting slightly higher than that left hip it it took all the Restriction off that hip and now I could push away without any pain so maybe just pay attention to to see if that left hip is lower than the uh right hip in transition well the other the other thing that you just said that's key with that is when you change directions and your left hip pushes up instead of staying level when it pushes up your right hip goes down and then those two things now all of a sudden your hips and your shoulders the worst thing I see in golf is guys get here and their right hip comes up and they side Bend and they try to twist I mean if you want to hurt your back that's the best way to do it so what what Justin just said about your left hip when you change directions is you push back your hips going up that pushes your right hip down which matches what your shoulders are trying to do so that takes a lot of pressure not only off your hip but it takes a ton of pressure off your lower back okay next from Luke the molas move has been a revelation however I strugg with having descending angle of attack IR to how do I take a well the malaska move really isn't the molaska move I got coined at I'm not sure why and I'm not going to take credit for it it was Joe Nichols who taught me about these Corners so there's a spot right here when you take the club back the handle of the club goes over that corner and it comes down over that corner and the club the club is working this way so yes it shallows but after it shallows the handle comes down and the club goes out so that's the that's the Tipping the club out that's the what they call the molas move now taking a divot I mean if I just stand here and I don't do anything and I make a swing the club's going to hit the ground so what it tells me the reason you're not taking a divot is your body has to be doing something where it's lifting and it's changing the bottom of your Arc so you're probably moving up into the ball a little bit you get this right here and then you move up into it so all of a sudden now you start missing the ground if you just take the club and swing it back and you let your arm swing down your club's every time I mean I don't have to think about hit down on a golf ball I've never thought about hit down but the club hits down why because momentum and gravity are taking it down there and I'm pushing away so the club dumps into the ground I don't have to force it to go down yeah um I I would just say I I could add anything to that sometimes I'll struggle with a uh uh angle attack with my irons as well when I'm practicing swinging a 48 inch driver at 150 miles an hour right so maybe just pay attention to uh to center of mass obviously I can't swing a pitching wedge I can't do this with a pitching wedge right I'm gonna have a positive attack angle that's not great with a pitching wedge so right you know with irons you know we still have this push off the ball move I just describe it to people uh with the driver it's it's turned up to 10 right we're moving to our Trail side with an iron it's it's more subtle those forces are still there but it's it's more subtle so you know ball position and keeping your center of mass a little more contained on the golf ball should help you to get that attack angled down yeah one of the things I always used to do is I start hitting balls just standing on my left foot just make swings and hit it most of you if you would do that just stand on your left foot and not have any force transfer and just make swings so you're already to your left side and let the club you're going to hit the ground then when you put your right foot down you got to go right and then you got to go up to your left and do the same thing so it's the same thing Justin was talking about okay we're going to take one more question and then we're done for the night here goes Mike how can I visualize the Inner Circle creating in the S simply how does he pick the Inner Circle okay if you if you took a a discus if you were going to throw a discus or a hammer okay which is I used to do it a lot there's a drill where I take a basket of balls and I take the balls and I swing them around me and I swing them around me and then I throw the balls well see your inner circle that inside thing is is constantly offsetting the force of the club so what I always feel is every as I'm moving the club there's only one place where I'm going the same direction the club goes and that's right here in the transition so I start to transition I've moved into my right now I'm right about here now the rest of the way my arms are going up I'm actually going up to my left side so by the time my arms get to their transition point I'm already I've already gone right left and what happens to a lot of you is you've heard so much much about the top of your swing that you go like this and then you try to figure out how to get up to your left side and what happens is you you can't get to your left side soon enough so you know what I would say about that is again it's about this it's about this change of directions and it's about bone so if you think if you're thinking about the top of your swing I can tell you right there you're in trouble because there is no top there's no top in a baseball swing there's no top in a tennis forehand there is no top in a golf swing there's a start and a finish if you start thinking about the top you break the natural sequence of everything your swing gets long all kinds of things start to happen Justin anything yeah this is where you know there's a really good opportunity when we're talking about CU me it's you know interacting with the it's using the feet in the golf swing so to the question is it just hands um well I mean look you could have good hand path but if you're all on your Trail side like you know things are so it is some feet and we want to be able to move athletically and move our Center of mass so this is where I think some of the fitness opportunities can come in you know the the way that when I worked with you Mike that really uh and I would send you videos from time to time because I didn't get everything I first obviously it was in an off season and it was with a baseball bat and it was with a hitway you know that hitway goes around awesome yeah and I could really feel for some reason with the bat and I still hit balls off of a te into a net a lot before I warm up that push away with the lead hip all right driving the hands forward so when with Fitness wise you know there's opportunities I'll do some of these lateral Swings with a kettle bell and what's going to happen here is if somebody early extends or if they go the same direction of the Bell well that's not going to feel very good into the knee so you've got to subtly kind of push away right we might use a soft bell too just right we we subtly need to push away to counteract the force of this Bell trying to drag us over you know if we look at like a fancier exercise with this rmt club something like this Indian swing you know here at this point here I'm already I have to Dynamic move my weight into my lead side for this to sequence correctly right so some of these movements when we do our medicine ball drills what I will you know cue our athletes to do is a lot of time when you guys have seen this drills it just looks like this and you're going to follow the medicine ball well that's the exact that's not what we want in the golf swing okay and I don't I hate this medicine ball drill okay with these straight arms this kind of scoop because I think this comes from in my opinion it'll come from trainers who have a misunderstanding of what happened to the golf swing because they they again they think your arms are passive right so let's take this med ball let's take the hands out of it and just move our our our torso our pelvis towards the target I like this drill the shop put where we're going to be here load into our Trail side we have get into our lead side first and then we push this back to drive that forward right so I like to get the club out of people's hands sometimes um because when you have that seven iron in your hand everything goes Haywire old patterns come in but if we do some of those more unique things we can kind of feel that push away and using the ground a little bit better and then it'll more easily blend into the golf swing well and Justin what you said there is basically you take the golf club out of their hands which takes away what their brain believes to be a golf swing and you put them in an environment where they use Instinct and athleticism and then you say there you go and I found I can't tell you how many times I've told people that and I take them out of the golf swing and I put them on a cable Cross or something like that and they start moving and I say there you go what what does that feel like they go well this and this I says have you ever felt that in your swinging they go no I said well that's why you're no good because that's exactly what your swing's got to be and you know how to do it you just when you put a golf club in your hand you got so many bad pictures that it's incredible okay uh again go to malasag golf.com we got 50% off make sure you check the uh the the box below and see how you can get signed up from Alaska golf we're going to do more of these and I want to tell Justin uh man I I've been a fan of your dad's I've been a fan of yours and everything you're doing and everybody how can Justin how can people get in touch with you yeah just my website um Justin James golf.com I'm a millennial so social media is good Instagram um they can me message me on there and uh yeah I'm on skillist as well swing analysis and some coaching on there so can reach me in those ways well here's what I can tell you people I've been very fortunate in my career to have some very good people around me and a lot of disciplines so I've learned a lot of things from very smart people that most people never have the chance to learn Justin's the same thing he's been a baseball player he's got a degree in body mechanics he can do it with the golf swing so you got the whole package and I I'm not saying that people that don't have that aren't that good but somebody who's been through it all and has actually done it themselves they they know what the they know what the pitfalls are and they can save you they can't cut they can't get the learning curve out but they can dramatically shortcut the learning curve relative to what you're doing because they've been through the stuff that's out there that doesn't work so again thanks very much for joining us thanks Justin we'll uh we look forward to the next one and uh again thank you very much and uh go to mol.com get signed up we want to see more of you on the site