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[Music] you're listening to the Packer Net podcast Network you ever hear of test driving a phone network well US Cellular is letting you test drive their Nationwide 5G for free try out US Cellular wherever you have spotty service your commute to work that one spot in your house or your service dips it's as easy as doing a little with your phone pH that's the buttons that's what that's the noise they make anyways test drive us cellulars Nationwide 5G coverage for free for 30 days just download the Try Us app US Cellular built for us terms apply visit uscellular.com trry us what's up guys welcome into Packers Total Access my name is Clayton you can check us out on packernet.com find me on Twitter at Packers access you can email us Packers tootal access gmail.com you can text us 865-6582 5824 joining alongside of millio in Tennessee we got Jacob in Wisconsin back to talk a little Packers today and more specifically training camp practice number three in the books and I tell you man we had uh it was the Eric Stoke show we're going to dive into it but we will waste no time at least mentioning that at the top here because Eric stok showed up and um really really excited to see if this is the year he he puts it all in play and makes us forces us to pay him a big paycheck in the off SE that would be awesome see tried to do to us you see what shink just tried to do to us sign a deal and then he says just so happens to be Julian love you can't do that Jake unbelievable unbelievable you're an amazing person you know that don't you Jake somebody mute Jake in the chat for 10 minutes okay yeah you've been penalized sir no all right so you guys have a good day though we good everything everything good your happy to be happy to be here talking ball man second day in I listen actually diving into a little bit of cowboys podcast just cuz my my dad's a fan so I was just trying to see what they're talking about literally second podcast and they were talking about Jordan love and like oh well Dak Prescott and Jordan love you know they're kind of there but you know are they gonna pay Dak we got we got a lot more people they have a bunch of people on the payroll over like three to five to 10 million like they got they got issues over there they one of them even mentioned um what if we pay Dak and CD and then trade Micah for a whole boatload it's like dude what's going on freak look it's funny we didn't even plan this which is hilarious but I had this kind of in the hopper we're going to talk about practice that's what we're here for today obviously but since you mentioned the Cowboys I mean you look at the cap hits amongst quarterbacks Dak Prescott 55.1 million this year and he's like I need more money yeah they're pushing they're they're talking about pushing 60 like 60 plus 65 maybe I'm what what are we doing here but they're saying maybe we need to bring him in and say hey if you they they know that he's going to win the deal but how much is he going to win it by like can we bring him in and be like dude if you do this these three guys are going to be off the team like do you want another eight million or whatever sort of thing how would you like to have Deshawn Watson there Jacob a 63.7 million capit bro Lord no thank you no thank just remind me before just because that popped into my head remind me later after we talk about maybe the ups and downs of said offense later I'm sure we'll get into it uh that I have a great conspiracy love it you always do ready for it unfortunately as you may or may not be aware the conspiracy video now is throwing a copyright oh no it has yeah the the music which was downloaded from a copyright free website yeah so Jacob I'm sorry man sorry I didn't have time to photoshop you into that that little UFO either know is that Bigfoot is that the he's got the to that music or something it is Sasquatch him Harry and the Henderson over like money we'll go to the chat here I had a couple mark from earlier om was in here he said I'm not sure whether to dance because the defense looks so damn good or to cry because we have no o line and our 11.5 million running back is missing in action then he said he was going to bed so it was hilarious that he he's over in France obviously so uh chrisan said love watch day three obviously we'll talk about that we'll get into it Josh valandingham in the chat good to see you buddy says I absolutely love this channel Clayton Jake Tim and a malao are straight up Heroes not all heroes wear capes but some do wear Sombrero you know what I'm saying I think he was going for Amo but yeah that's basically how you spell it I think that's about what I get everywhere I go man it's a lot of as's M's and yeah me being the redneck constitutionalist I am all I seen was ammo out there in the that's what I thought ammo dude my dad my dad one of my dad's favorite movies we used to watch together was night at the rockberry and every time that you come on amilio and we drop that he he just loses his mind it's the funniest thing in the world yeah hilarious let's see here uh joshu Val landingham went on to say we can't forget the woman the myth the legend Carly Ray I hope Carly's doing good we haven't spoke to her in a little bit um I tell you this time of year getting to the political season some people go into hiding I'm not saying that's what she's doing but sometimes you just it's like the uh the Grandpa on The Simpsons you know how he walks in I'll log on to Twitter he walks in takes his hat off it's an rack turns around picks it back up put it on walks back out the door so yeah I'm sure Carly's doing well though for sure dick in the chat says om do you dictate or top I'm oldin and and amazed at the speed and quality of your chat unfortunately dick uh Omare was already asleep by the time we get an update on that tomorrow for you yeah when we get in here tomorrow he will have us an update I promise so I love om man he's so passionate about the Packers man fans like that it's just it's just awesome connecting with them so um all right let's just get into it man we'll try to Rapid Fire like we did yesterday through the notes and uh and see exactly what went on at practice today we're going to get to everything all right we're going to make sure we do and I've got it in somewhat of an order kind of the headlines and then we'll wrap it up with what actually happened at practice so obviously like like they said in the chat Jordan love hold in day three this was match and tweeted out you see Jordan's right there at practice again obviously he's not practicing but uh there with the guys in all the meetings did you guys hear the story I think it was wy's the only person I've heard tell this story and I think he was one that kind of if it is a story to break I don't know but he said that Jordan love gave Sean Clifford a heads up like over the weekend like hey if things keep going the way they're going be ready to go with the ones because I'm not going to be practicing right so he kind of gave him a heads up and so Sean Clifford said you know it's cool that he's here and everything right he said well I I came in the building at 7 o' the next morning thinking all right I me get in here a little early I'm going be running with the ones take advantage of the opportunity he looks down just a couple lockers down and Jordan loves bags on the floor he's already in the building but he was already meeting with laflor meeting with every meeting with Tom Clement this is all again this is Jason Wy that reported this pretty cool man so Jordan love based off the situation right now to me he's handled it like an absolute Class Act Pro um so that's the latest though day three hold in um obviously we'll see how that shakes out rob it was first of all an absolute honor to be invited on Rob westerman's Channel last last night on his Twitter handle we got on there and chatted it up and by the way shout out to the PTA posy you guys showed up in Forest it was awesome seeing everybody in the chat I told Rob beforehand listen b be careful with the chats okay don't don't just fire those up on screen all right because I know Jacob and Eric Sutherland are in the chat just be careful all right so anyway we uh we Cho I say too I watched that I watched the whole uh episode Rob is awesome man I don't know I didn't know him um I don't you know I'm really bad at finding content I basically rely on you guys to just force feed it into the feed and then I I just copy it on I see oh I saw you liked somebody on Twitter that's cool I'm gonna follow that person and uh he was I mean he's awesome dude I feel like me and him could sit down and just you know talk ball and he's I really like his Vibe plus I'm jealous of the J you see the Jersey lineup you guys didn't even talk about it yeah that was that was nice man I saw those did you notice the the frame underneath the jerseys now I didn't ask him this but I'm almost positive what it is underneath each jersey is they're all signed is a picture of him signing uh him having it signed so he's in the picture with him getting signed I'm pretty sure that's what that was awesome he talked about how his wife is just absolutely awesome she's always there to help snap the photos and stuff and just yeah he uh I'm looking forward to meeting him one day because he's he's a great guy like I said when I first got on Twitter man he was one of the first people I connected with and had a huge he's got like over 70,000 followers right M and he communicated with me right off the bat hey if you ever need anything shoot me a DM just always encouraging great advice too you know his his great advice to me was hey I I usually he didn't even say here Clayton let me give you advice he just simply said I try to stay out of the replies because I just don't want to argue and I'm thinking heart Clayton maybe I should try to argue on Twitter so some of the best advice I ever got but he no he's a great dude man he knows ball I love his demeanor he doesn't get too high he doesn't get too low he just talks about the facts and just a really good dude man for sure Dan said it here Clayton slated on Westerman a true professional absolutely man absolutely appreciate you Dan it was a lot of fun buddy and thank you for tuning in this evening sir so uh all right so obviously love are we want to gauge here like I that's the whole thing I was getting to Rob asked me are you panicking kind of where you at on the love thing and and I was pretty vocal I put a little more on the Packers but I understand their stance too right um but to me if if we're seven days six seven days from now and love still isn't practicing I'll start getting a little concerned because it's like okay we're missing meaningful reps now at this point not really not really there yet but uh hopefully they'll get something done how do you guys feel about it we panck in we we good how you feel about it I'll be honest I I watched a little bit of coverage I've been trying to stay up with it um I'm always hooked to the news and all their stuff too so like I'm trying to gather in as much information drink it from a fire hose but I what I gathered and I I really hate to admit it because because I don't want to put any sort of negativity out there but I want the offensive line to Not freak me out so much it sounded like that they were having issues many issues the last few days especially and then also been today it sounded like Josh Meers is a little slow getting off the field at the end of practice today uh obviously we don't have Tom in the mix Elton Jenkins was not playing today so I'm starting to kind of deal with how bad uh uh was it D yeah dard has been I don't know dude it's been kind of one of those things where I thought hey we have got a stacked offensive line and we got depth too and now I'm starting to look at it like do we even have a starting five and if we don't have a starting five and just in addition to that yeah the Jordan love thing is it's kind of starting to freak me out because I'm sure we'll get into it but the offense did nothing today and they didn't do anything yesterday and they really haven't done anything this whole time you could attribute that to the defense and Jeff Halley scheme but I think it's quite clear that Jordan love has something to do with the in inconsistencies and I'll just say it right now but my my conspiracy of the week whatever you want to do um I wish I had a tin foil hat I could just throw on that'd be awesome I'll make one I'll just that's how I'll do it from now on I'll just make my own tinf foil hat uh but I really wonder and I know it's probably stupid but do you think that Jordan love has any sway over the team that they just maybe for a few days well maybe split a little bit here and there maybe some of the maybe the offensive starters just don't show up did you see how many starters didn't play today a lot of a lot of them some tell me it's a lot all of them but a lot of them just saying what if they're trying to nudge and every day they're like hey just you know the just went up a million just went up John here he said I heard it could take weeks and then I thought it was yeah Ron sell said it too Diana Rini said deal in the next all caps few weeks I'll have I'll have an ulcer by then is what Ron says mil you you stressing yet or if it takes a few weeks I'm gon to be a little if it takes a few weeks we might need to look we might need to look at it again but right now it they're still like they said they're still uh basically in mini camp you know it's still basically the offseason no you know no pads um they're running through everything else installs all that stuff so yeah individual drills you know things here and there I'm I'm not worried like uh who here Eric my man uh bet bet my reputation on it he said all good deal coming Friday I'll bet what little reputation I have on it little bit will I really do think it'll be done by Friday we'll throw the pads on and then then it'll be meaningful reps there but hey doesn't it help the coaches seeing um everybody else out there and Jordan loves still teaching right he's he was still right there and grabbed Pratt and said hey you know s you know when you're out there stick the ball out further then pull it you know on play action whatever it was but yeah I love that uh Eric suland thinks he does have a little reputation yeah I appreciate [Laughter] that anyway so that's kind of the Jordan Love talk I know coach Lynn said in the chat not a concern yet no pads is is is a big deal yeah completely agree with that um I love this right here and Smitty says you need a tin full Sombrero Jacob that's what you gotta get so maybe I'll just like use that one and I'll just use it as a shell and I'll go ahead I'll just ship ship some aluminum foil over to Jacob yeah this right here is what worries me now Ari iron Miner said if Jordan leaves the building like Elvis then I'll worry that would suck that would be horrible if all of a sudden they said Jordan love is went back to California I'd be like oh no Lord have mercy so uh I think we're all right though guys no reason to freak out just yet and and again I seeing him and Matt lafl knowing that him and Matt laflor in the meetings and and Jordan's still doing the walkthroughs and all that it sounds like I don't know if that's specifically been reported but it seems like he's doing walkthroughs and stuff as well um again seven days six days now you know let's say roughly August 1st he's not there I'm going to be worried I'm going to be like okay let's let's figure this out and you guys again know where I stand on that man I I put a little more blame on goody uh and Russ ball than I do Jordan love personally I feel like he's done a lot to kind of help the Packers and and took that small deal last year I mean we we just showed this right it's a good example if you look at the statistics from last year and and I know we've beaten this this horse to death where we talk about last first half of the season was horrible second half was great right but the reality is at the end of the year he was like second in touchdown passes right and his stats were like I mean he was up there other than completion percentage he was pretty much in the top 10 and everything right a touchdown interception ratio really cleaned up there in the second half when he went on that run where it was like 12 or 13 touchdowns only one interception dude he was one in almost every category like he was that good so if you scroll down too look at this this is the cap hit for quarterbacks this year 2024 right Deshawn Watson 63 million Dak Prescott 55 million Matthew Stafford 49 million Kyler Murray 49 million Daniel Jones 47 million Pat Mahomes 37 million Lamar Jackson 32 Josh Allen 30 Joe Burl 29 Jerry gof 27 Gino Smith 26 Kurt Cousins 25 Tua Tunga vioa 23 Justin Herbert 19 Aaron Rogers 17 uh Trevor Lawrence 15 Jaylen Herz 17th and then you've got Jordan love 18th highest cap hit and he was arguably the best quarterback in the league the second half of the Season like come on we it's just hard for me to get behind the no he needs a show up and prove it now come on let's let's be real let's be fair a lot of other teams are in worse situations with people actually holding out like this is absolutely nothing like if we're if we're worried about it then you know we we need to reevaluate just turn on the news for two seconds I think the the tackle from San Fran's holding out you know you got CD that's not going to the D to to Camp he's not even showing up I don't think so there there are a lot of other worse options we could be in absolutely man coach Lyn in the chat says I think the deal might be longer than we think it's six or seven year deal been saying six for 330 for a while now and and listen what did what did Goody say at the presser right we're trying to we wna we want to work up a deal to where we can put the best team around Jordan that right there that's that might be the key component for a while yeah for for a long time like we don't want it to be a a short time a short period of time we do that well remember they talked about how I've actually have heard this on multiple you know the ESPN podcast so you know it's good or like the call cow hers where all of a sudden they went from talking about how Jordan sucked and the Packers are stupid to then oh they have such a young team maybe they can do it and then obviously at the end of the year and now going in this off season people are talking about a Super Bowl window of two to three years imagine if we could extend like you talking about if a Jordan love contract does extend past that typical four three or three four five six years or whatever like Clayton was just talking about that gives you another wide Gap to start signing some of the guys that we're going to be what are you laughing at it starts uh giving us you know a longer period of time where we can actually sign rookies maybe even bring in some free agents do a lot of that kind of stuff and I think we're gonna be I think that window just opened up quite wide where you could y'all have matured so much man the way y'all just handled that interaction was great you said what are you laughing at and then y'all both just straightened up it was so proud so proud so yeah coach land great point there though B um let's see here uh what is this look is an absolute monstrosity can you clip just rewind that back just a little bit my dude is just like let's watch the thing in real time here he's like he's like a triangle look at his upper body is yeah hold on let's get this out of the wayang right might have sound let's [Music] see I heard Charlene and then keep yeah then keep playing it wait for it right here when it zooms in look at that man oh yeah dude that's exactly how I put the trash bag in the can what I'm saying bro perfect form arm probably bigger than Jacob's legs like I'm telling you those things are then poor Sean clearford he's had a rough go out of here lately oh man but yeah so all right let's see here I was trying to see what Jake was saying here completely missed it I think he said uh that was a long timeout LOL I think we take we take our cues from 12 on the contract r e l a x relax we put him in timeout for saying that Jordan love yeah oh I got you okay I got you I'm so slow man you know how it is man but all right so not practicing today this is kind of important right Pete D dhy I think from the Green Bay Press cazette I believe is who he's with Paul brle repost this says Packers not practicing today Jordan love for the contract Corey Ballentine on NFI with the hamstring Katan oladapo NFI with the toe Marshon Lloyd With The Hip Donovan Jennings he's on pup physically unable to perform he's got a knee injury Caleb Jones on pup with the hammy Elton Jenkins got a veteran rest day we'll talk about that in a minute and then Tucker craft was on pup with the PC so to me that looks a lot better and obviously you're probably going okay what's up with Jaden Reed well lo and behold Jaden Reed was there today I said Jaden Reed is returning to practice off NFI in a limited capacity today Matt laflor says so you know there were some people that were like you know maybe it is serious the toe injury that he sustained while the eight-year-old was burning him on the go route um I keep adding more details every time I tell that story and I have no clue what actually happened but so the fact that he's out there it kind of shows you all right they they are tracking pretty good right Jaden Reed's gonna be just fine so yeah and he was saying in his presser he was saying that uh he he missed being out there right obviously those first two but he he said he's just going to listen to the trainers and he's he's feeling good he's he's you know happy to be back he just wants to be a better leader you know more vocal um step up and and just you know fill that role you know um show up in the wide receiver room and I think he's gonna but let let him take it easy dude we still don't have pads on we're still we're just we're eating up any bit of info we get right but we still got some time before we play a game you ever hear of test test driving a phone network well US Cellular is letting you test drive their Nationwide 5G for free try out US Cellular wherever you have spotty service your commute to work that one spot in your house or your service dips it's as easy as doing a little with your phone that's the buttons that's what that's the noise they make anyways test drive us cellulars Nationwide 5G coverage for free for 30 days just download the Try Us app US Cellular built for us terms apply visit uscellular.com TR us and you've seen Jaden Reed last year man he played he played Z he played slot I didn't see him in the X he may have been there too played a lot of flyer that dude's all over the place like he understands his offense and I'm not saying he he shouldn't practice or he doesn't need to practice but of all the receivers outside of Romeo dobs he's probably the one I'm least worried about you know like I think we're good there let's like you said let's just get him healthy right that's the big thing right because Smitty knows how he got hurt actually he knows said Jan got hurt you know R and to save a baby out of a house that was on fire during a kid event so there you go it's I'm tell it's going to get the story is going to get more and more uh unique as we go along here um so someone had asked about Zack Tom I can't remember who that was in the chat someone asked about Zack Tom but Mike Barry Mike Barry appreciate you buddy good to see you in here Mike so Tom Silverstein tweeted out laflor said there is no specific timetable for right tackle Zack Tom's return to 11on 11 drills Tom is recovering from PEC surgery and is doing a very limited amount in practice and you guys know when we first reported on that PE injury or not first reported on it but here recently before Camp kicked off I was like man don't even don't even push him as long as he's ready week one that's a guy that doesn't really need a whole lot of reps right he can play all over the line probably our most intelligent offensive lineman may be next to Elton Jenkins so this is a guy that understands the offense understands everything well don't push it and then of course they activated them day one I maybe they are going to push it it's obvious they activated him but he's uh kind of taken it easy so is anybody concerned about Zack Tom I'm feeling pretty good about that situation I think he's going to be fine the only thing I'm concerned about is the wasn't it Zack Tom Tucker craft and Matt laflor all had the tricta I see what you did there I tried to get you while you were getting that water it didn't work I wanted a spit take genuine spit take to the top oh yeah very well played there Jake so so obviously was Z Tom not a whole lot to worry about there no honestly I'm more worried about what how we're going to pay him as a right tackle a left guard or Center I mean that's what I would be more worried about because Elton Jenkins when we gave him his contract if you guys will remember they didn't give him left tackle money but they they didn't really give him guard money at the time either right now guard is kind of blimped up here lately now obviously he could play tackle and a pinch but they see him more as an interior offensive lineman I think that has a lot to do with Matt laflor scheme like I'm reading Bobby peters's book right now and he does a great job going into great detail if you guys haven't picked this up excellent read the complete Green Bay Packers 2023 offens of manual all right and uh he opens everything up with breaking down plays outside Zone week and rpos what's that tell you they like to run a lot of weak side runs now they can go strong left at times and run weak to the right but for the most part running weak and running boot off of that week what you're looking to do with that Bunch nasty X set and even your dub sets is you're looking to roll right to Jordan love throw side now he will roll back across his body because defenses are are more apt to kind of to kind of ignore that because most quarterbacks don't have the arm talent to throw across their body but uh the majority of the time it feels like they're trying to run weak side left and that might be why Matt laor maybe sees that left guard position is just as if not more important in the left tackle position because that's everything kind of revolves around it with the boot action and everything I don't know if that makes sense but reading the book that kind of stood out to me like maybe that's why they're keeping El where he's at because left guard is important in this offense so just something to kind of being able being able to run to that weak side right before without without needing to pull someone or drag somebody over each time but you can still use the motion sorry Jacob go ahead no you're fine I just wanted to comment or see what you guys thought because from my understanding uh actually when I listened to Ryan's podcast I I don't think Newman got a getting paid whatsoever I think actually he had to take a structured pay cut because of the fact that he had a certain plethora of like plays that he hit but there was also the point the Packers are like we're not going to pay you this nobody's going to pay you this you're either going to take this cut right here and we might not even see you on the 53 and he basically got like a we're gonna make cap room and then maybe if you show us something we'll keep you on the 53 it's basically a game- to game basis is what it comes down to they like to structure their roster bonuses in a way that that if they're on the roster week by week they get paid most most R roster bonuses the way they're geared is they have it set up to where if you make the roster week one you're guaranteed that money right with the Packers and the way they structure theirs and this is hearing other people way smarter than me talk about it they're making it sound as if they do it on a week- toe basis meaning by week three if you cut them okay that roster bonus that kind of seemed like it was a pract you know a guarantee what they refer to as practical guarantee it's no longer guarantee because they could cut you right so to me that's the way I took it too Jacob you cleared up cap space and you made it kind of a week to week basis type contract so and again if it was fully guaranteed and they didn't even adjust anything his contract was three million like I'm not I'm more concerned with Royce Newman taking up a roster spot than I am three million so that's Chris followed up he goes he's gonna make the team though Jacob do you guys think I I I I don't know what to think now because like you guys think it's a guarantee I don't know if it's a guarantee at all if anything I thought it was maybe more of a little bit of a notch down but I honestly haven't seen a lot of other Talent on that offensive line yet so I want to see these pads get on like coach said well you know you talk about making the team let's do this real quick let's look at let me drop this down for just a second um hopefully I that's not getting on your all's nerves I just like to Loop the practice pick something else up out of it every time yeah West hog goitz Matt schnidman and Paul brle were the ones who share those videos on Twitter I just cut them and threw them on so appreciate them taking that footage that's awesome so um what was I getting that there was something I was G oh okay so when we broke Camp last year and again this doesn't mean we're going to break camp with the same number this year let's look at the offensive lineman here okay we broke camp with 11 offensive linemen all right so if we break camp with 11 this year let's count it off here we're talking Roy Newman specifically right so count them off Rasheed Walker Elton Jenkins Josh Meyers Shan Ryan Zack Tom do we all agree those guys are probably gonna make the team right Zack Sean Ryan has an impress but he's a third round pick right all right so Jordan Morgan then you've got Jacob Monk I think he'll make it for sure right who else is a slam dunk that's probably all the slam dunks in my opinion would you agree or you disagree with that I would think they're gonna try to sneak Tuda or Caleb Jones I don't know why they have Caleb Jones so far back because seems like they've invested so much time in them isn't he still maybe I don't know if he's still a little hurt or something but I I don't think Dillard's gonna make the team I don't think laa Smith is gonna make the team I don't know we're at seven right there so let's include Royce Newman that's eight and throw my boy Glover in there because he's on his four-year contract lute Tuda Gotta Have monk lute Tuda and this is just going off of this depth chart so Luke Tuda makes nine right so now you're getting into Andre Dillard and let's say Travis Glover there's your 11 so Le L Smith Kadeem telfor and Caleb Jones would you rather have one of those three over Roy Newman that's the question right if you keep 11 you may go with 10 you may go with 12 don't know I'm just saying theoretically speaking off of last year and the number that we broke camp with in week one yeah um for me personally I'm probably taking Roy snowman yeah over who we just mentioned just because of the experience and the and the place he's he's been out on the NFL field right yeah yeah so that you know it so what Chris is saying yeah he probably will make the team right now I just don't think contractually the the contract says anything in regards to oh he's definitely got to make team right I'm not saying Chris is saying that either but no and that's why I was asking the question because that's what I I asked the same in my head that's what I thought when Chris said it I'm like yeah it's a restructure so does that make it more or less likely it could be more because the fact like of the age it seems like they're being really smart this year and being like hey you guys have kind of been not great Packers for the last few years how about we give you like one tenth of what you used to make and see if you can impress us and then we'll give you you know maybe another shot and they all were like all right cool it's kind of a testament to at least show that people want to be there players want to stay in Green Bay that's the big thing that I took away from the Royce Newman restructure was like it seemed like he was I want to be here right wife decent money so why not right his his wife was in one of the original like remember when they did that awkward when the Packers started doing weird stuff with their social media and they started asking the wives like what's the weirdest thing about your husband and they shared a bunch of weird stuff where I was like I bet like I bet you that wife knows what it's like she's been Green Bay she's has friends they have a family a community like I guarantee you some of that I know that's the thing with AJ Dylan you know what I'm saying that's exactly why they were willing to take that pay cut and I wonder if the Green Bay offices knows that and says hey we're gonna cut you a little less yeah Mr maky rigs says we drafted Jordan Morgan Jacob Monk and Travis Glover they'll be on the roster I I have to agree I can't imagine unless Travis Glover just Falls flat on his space right um and here's the other thing too we don't like to talk about this but it happens every single year year some of these conversations we're having will be will be sorted out through injury right it happens every year it sucks but it's the reality so um yeah but why would you not take the chance on the guy with the new four-year contract instead of bringing Caleb back in we can put him on the practice squad and if we don't crack it after that it's over I mean like they're gonna have to rotate and find you know a new project I guess yeah Jake shink in the chat said this interior offensive lineman depth man with a crazy face emoji I can't tell if he's being positive or negative can you a I don't know if he's saying it is deep a little bit in between maybe I'm it could be really excited it could be an issue and then Jason uh Jason you on X appreciate you joining us Buddy says that o line dep scares me so trying to figure sarcasm it's so hard to read through text but um yeah so let's get into the offensive line a little bit more here obviously we mentioned Elton Jenkins today had a veteran rest day so that's cool um obviously there's no reason to have him out there um especially with the pads ain't even on yet now right tackle this was interesting Kadeem telfort starts at right tackle today instead of Andre Dillard with Zack Tom still sideline from 11 on 11 so um the big thing there um Andre Diller got his lunch eight Yesterday by rashan Gary ran Gary literally took his milk money that's what happened yesterday so um they they popped him down to I think second team if I remember correctly is what they said it wasn't as bad as third team but uh some more offensive line news and notes Here West howitz tweeted out ear in today he said Kadeem tord working at right tackle with the ones okay Shan Ryan inord Jenkins at left guard Jordan Morgan at Right Guard I've kind of said all along I want Jordan Morgan at Right Guard I Rasheed Walker left tackle Zack Tom right tackle and give me Jordan Morgan at Right Guard yeah because what did we just get through talking about and we didn't even really kind of we didn't organize it this way either but we just got through talking about how we were r a lot of weak weak Zone plays right weak Side Run Zone run what if all of a sudden you start going strong Side Run and you've got Jordan Morgan who's a Fant he was a fantastic run Blocker in college right just absolute technician what if you turn that into a strength and you start showing some some uh some strong side runs and boot off to the weak side it it's a game of chess it really is so I thought that was interesting there though Shawn Ryan in for Jenkins at left guard uh obviously Shawn Ryan whether you like him or not he was a third round pick they they liked him and still do um and then you put Jordan Morgan at guard how do y'all feel about that let's remove kadim telfor just say Okay Zack Tom's going to be your right tackle so in this case if we kind of lock this combo it would be Rasheed Walker left tackle Elton Jenkins left guard Josh Meers Center uh Jordan Morgan at Right Guard right and then Zack Tom at right tackle what do you think about that fellas and then Shawn Ryan could be kind of your swing guard I kind of like that honestly I'm I would rather have Mor G on the field than not so put him up put him at Right Guard or yeah put him at Right Guard because I'm fine with rashed Walker until he proves otherwise uh he came out you know ready to play this off season he knew that we drafted someone and he still showed up and he's playing so I'm fine with keeping him there let him hold his spot and definitely get Morgan on the field yeah Jacob what do you think man I mean I yeah to me I don't get where all of of any hate comes from the Walker thing the guy to me has been an absolute diamond in the rough so don't mess with that keep Jenkins at Right Guard hopefully uh I never thought I'd say this but hopefully Josh Myers is healthy at Center and then um we can have you know like you said slip Morgan in there and then if we have to switch him out with either oryan or possibly God forbid again that Royce Newman has to get in there or see if somebody like uh um Jacob monk can maybe slide over I mean um somebody said in the chat too about how they'd like to see what monk can do yeah right here f for this he said I want to see how monk Can Do It Center when he's not snapping in a hurricane and that's fair a lot of these guys no pads on no starting quarterback and you don't you know you don't have to play in a monsoon so there are some situations where you maybe I should step take a step back anybody else worried maybe take a step back and say hey uh that's kind of weird we actually do have some breaking news over here from M Smitty if you want to H on it quick go ahead man pop it up there let's here so uh he says M Smitty says looks like we have our first major ACL injury of Camp albeit with the Vikings quarterback McKai Blackman suffers a torn ACL pert Tom peliso which is really big because they are not deep at the quarterback position that's one of their biggest weaknesses so yeah especially with you know like uh I know I'm going to butcher the name I'm trying to think of the young man their their rookie Corner that got drafted unfortunately just just passed away listen we we love the rivalries and everything but we don't root for injuries obviously was that Kyrie Jackson from Oregon yeah Kyrie Jackson yeah um that yeah so the Vikings you're right Jacob now you got a ACL injury here with another rookie right he was a rookie or no no he was actually a a veteran That was supposed to slide in up being a starter so gotcha so yeah he played us real well last year I'm pretty sure wasn't he yeah he had a couple really good games yeah so that's tough man again whether it's your most hated rival or not you hate to see that because these guys are you know chasing their dream and and there's nothing worse than an ACL setback obviously unless it's something that's career ending that I mean you got a full year now that you got to sit back and do it all over again rehab sucks so yeah kind of they are bittersweet you know obviously the the Vikings be a little bit weaker because of it but you never want to root for injuries go ahead Jake yeah no they also remember last year we were all high on uh I think it was Georgia's safety lisen do you remember that guy yep or maybe it was a g I think he was Georgia he might have been a gator but he was supposed to be I mean I think they took him in either the first or second round sobody he can check that out too he now apparently is like five or six on their depth chart so he has not worked out whatsoever so they are struggling in the secondary and Harrison Smith can't keep you know being a a baller every year that guy's like 47 he's gotta be holding that up he can't be everywhere I'll tell you who can be everywhere though our boy Bo Melton Matt snob says safe bet that you'll see the bo Melton end around this season Packers just ran it again and got melted to the edge with Tyler Davis blocking Jer Alexander boy Siff block cheese curs me my stomach hurt all the time but I do eat them though love me some B Melton man that dude is got people people don't understand I didn't I say this because I didn't understand when we first signed him that dude has got some wheels on him man I remember remember the excitement the buzz around the first time we got Christian Watson and bow melt on the field at the same time I remember Ryan talking about on his pod like we've never seen that before pretty sure that game the first game we got them on the field together everything kind of blew up right like everything just kind of went because you're stretching the field on both sides both sides of the line whether you're in the Z or the or the boundary X there and and you got to really you got to respect that man it might not be I don't see them bracket covering anybody including Christian Watson right now but you do see corners really fading back quick because they know Watson can burn them now you got Bo Melton doing the same thing Bo's a dominant rough I believe so um Grant Duos off also today West oit tweeted out said Grant Duos has looked good this off season had a good spring and a uh and a catch Nas grabs in TC uh says good route and catch on a ball from E and so Grant deau starting to show up a little bit it might be a little too late though fellas cuz that receiver room is stacked man let's take a look at it real quick just give it a quick glance here Christian Watson Romeo dobs Jaden Reed obviously your starters davien Wicks Bo Melton Malik Heath then you got samor T Grant deos Alex MCU Julian Hicks and Demitri Stanley so the only way that you see Grant deos Lord willing in the creek don't rise everybody's healthy the only the only way you can see Grant deos making the roster is that They Carried what seven correct and if that's the case because I don't think anybody put grant de BOS over Malik Heath or B Melton I could be wrong there may be some would take overath but no no no he said he blocked to the water cooler baby come on yeah so we carried six out of Camp last year the final 53 so there you go how how we feeling about deos man do you think uh probably not going to carry seven I'd say he's probably gonna be another practice squad guy unless he just absolutely lights it up right I mean yeah I know Tim's somewhere gritting just chomping down on whatever he's vaping right now but um I would hope that you know I should say I should not hope but like you talked about God willing there's no injuries but it always seems like there is going to be at least maybe for a few weeks I think it'd be a great situation where Grant toos can hop in and out maybe throughout the year maybe three or four or five games and just kind of show us what he's done there has been flashes even the uh the all pessimistic Ryan schlip has read off and he goes Grant the bow seems like he's making some plays out there getting his name called at least uh which is all you can ask for in the early parts of the training camp and I wish he would have stayed healthy wasn't he like a Charlotte guy if I'm not mistaken or something like that I think that's rilio I think I just I'm interested to do you know what type of receiver is he more of like a possession is he like a you know one of those guys that can kind of move around it to me I remember him thought of him more of like a hate comparing somebody to alen zard but kind of like that type of player that's that's where I think kind of Malik Heath is more of you know our our how dare you how no no I'm saying Malik Heath needs to be our big slot we need someone that can block how dare you yes thank you Greta Jacob knows everybody's name it's hilarious I honestly think let's see his uh draft profile for Grand Deo coming out he had a 70 76.8 overall grade in 21 and a 716 and 22 and he lined up kind of looked all over screen slots okay he kind of caught everything 8% drop rate 72 receiving grade with a 1.87 yards per route run so uh not not bad right but it's tough with the six ahead of him uh yeah plus everybody else around them so I I like putting them on the practice squad and bringing them up when needed yeah so more more practice notes Here West hockwood says after Gary collapsed the pocket yesterday Devonte Wyatt already has been in Clifford's face a couple times today so Devonte Wyatt showing some flash listen I I I'm I'm excited about this defensive front don't get me wrong but you guys correct me if I'm wrong doesn't this happen every Camp though doesn't it feel like every Camp the defense is just dominating and dominate and dominate or is it just because I remember Aaron Rogers getting slander because he was throwing interceptions right because Now's the Time to work on that stuff but maybe I don't want to be like oh no that this doesn't mean anything for the defense because I think it does matter but at the same time it just seems like every year the defense has the upper hand am I wrong there I don't think you are because I remember every single year I'm so excited by the time like sep's by the time September's done I'm just like why did I let myself get hurt again I'm ready to get hurt again yeah that's right this year's different though I really do feel that hle has got these guys every single interview they talk about the tempo and uh da uh who's he again um an yes they say that uh Stokes specifically by the way Stokes had a great interview today yeah I love that he said great little day probably like 56 times and I'm not even exaggerating um but he talks about how da told him that every single practice if you guys don't match my intensity and play this dude's apparently just like biting nails and just kicking babies and so they they're they're playing fired up just bending rebar with his bare hands yeah yeah yeah yeah and just a quick refresher Derek Ansley was the guy that helped recruit Xavier mckenny to Alabama for Nick sat so they have a little bit of there's a lot of continuity on that backside and Derrik Ansley was the defensive coordinator for the LA Chargers last year and the passing game coordinator so he knows what it's like to be in that position as DC and now he is you know the DB coach it's pretty exciting stuff man you you can't put a price tag on experience like that for sure Professor cake says let's just not talk about the defense at all I feel like we're going to jinx it we always feel like that for sure did you hear though at the end of stokes's interview when he was talking about um about how he wants to go back and watch the tape right now about his third and four break uh who was it against I forgot who he said it was against but basically got to the top of the stem and uh he didn't react fast enough on his break to come back to the ball he's like that is one thing I'm going to absolutely Hammer tomorrow like I'm gonna sit there watch tape tonight and that is what I'm going to work on tomorrow like I was not happy with myself my effort on that one um we we're and I just love that did dude's watch so much tape recently right we we know that he's been in there grinding because he's been injured so he sees that he wants to work on it and he's getting better nightly awesome yeah is that the one where he ran into Watson and got a pass interference because he didn't get his head around because that's another thing he one criticized himself about that which honestly that little bit worried me because he did have two picks but he said he's got to work on that too because it was the only big play for the offense and it was a pass interference it was a long ball down the sideline to Watson and he didn't get his head around and we've talked about how that's probably his biggest weakness he ended up running to Watson they got a pass interference but yeah and like he's it's going to be tough to fix that adjustment sitting on the sideline watching tape but now that he's in there run running routes and doing that stuff he's getting the feel for it again y yeah all right so let's let's talk Stokes here here's some of the updates from match snob in at practice today I believe I need to start at the bottom and work my way up to do them in order if I remember correctly so it says Stokes picked off Clifford again Clifford couldn't find anyone and threw it into stokes's chest almost had another int right before but Wix broke up a ball thrown right to Jer on the sideline um and then after that says Stokes also had a nice pass break up on a good go ball from Clifford down the right side to Watson Stokes appeared to be shaking up for a bit but he stayed in so the first pick there you're like okay hit him in numbers with it you got to catch that right that right there though going down the sideline they're saying it's a good ball from Clifford and him covering Watson that gives me a lot of Hope for that foot and that leg boys that injury it sounds like it's completely healed and then uh he went on to say third interception of the day goes to Eric Stokes Clifford throws slightly behind Wix over the middle and the ball deflects off wix's hands and to Stokes Clifford then throws a wobbly underthrown ball down the left side to Watson and Stokes commits defensive pass interference near the Pilon that's the one you talking about probably right so there you go now also with Stokes this was pretty cool Matt snin put an article out on the New York Times it says Eric Stokes was the star of camp on Wednesday with two ints and a nice pass breakup it's only one day without pass but it might signify there's some substance behind offseason hoopla surrounding the 2021 first rounder and his rehab after two trying Seasons you guys remember Matt laflor has you know just trumpeted his praise all offseason long Jeff hle has said nothing but positive things some of it coach speak possibly right but it sounds like Stokes again the interceptions are great but him running stride for stri with Watson on a good go ball and breaking it up that's the thing I'm excited about now he went on to say this in the locker room I'll get you all take on it Matt Nama tweeted out Eric Stokes said quote we want to be remembered as one of the best defenses out here we don't want to be like oh we relying on the offense and all this stuff no we want when people think about the Packers they think about our defense not our offense bro let's go got Y and he was talking to his D line all you got to do is hold him for or or the dline was telling him in the secondary all you got to do is hold him for three and we'll get there and he's like I have faith in them that they are absolutely going to get there they are going to tear it up this year yeah if you guys would really really appreciate if you just take a quick second hit that like button for us feel free to sub to the channel if you like this kind of content we appreciate y'all making us a part of your evening this might be it Jacob Stokes dude it might be the year he puts it together right you know as much as I I hope that it is and I really do because I think that he's earned it and especially for the draft Capital that we spent on him I will say one other though I watched an interview with a man named carington Valentine today who apparently I mean he number one he looks good he still looks like he's moving around here's what I didn't know about the man he went from they asked him hey man you look a little thick what's going on they're like yep thick yes he is I went I went from 184 and they're like what are you at now he said 202 thick and he was like but it's a the way he did it he's like I ate clean I didn't do anything to just get this weight so it was weight that I was carrying I feel like I'm stronger I'm faster I'm more agile just now about 20 pounds stronger than I was last year he said I felt like and now I'm not GNA have that problem and he said they asked him how what you think of stokes's day today and you could see that he was kind of like you know good for him but like I want to get mine and I'm gonna get mine and we're we're friends and everything and they're like you could kind of tell they were they were trying to push for him to be very much more like he's my teammate and he basically went on to say we're teammates we make each other better and that's what makes good teammates so he's no in no way whatsoever being like I'm not going to make the starting lineup he's very much convinced that he will so I love that it's one of my biggest pet peeves is when people will take players from their favorite college teams and try to amp them up and make them seem like they're better than they are I've really really tried not to do that with the players that you know I root for in college Carrington Valentine BM one that's why I've been I feel like I've been as critical of him as anyone on this podcast and I you've been way more critical than anyone on this podcast of him I try to be intentional with that because I that stuff bothers me but one thing that did stand out to me last year when the college football season got kicked off more specifically at the SEC meetings again this is last offseason uh coach Stoops with Kentucky said yeah we lost our emotional leader in Carrington so and now you're hearing this kind of this grit and this you know even as a rookie he was fiery how many times did he throw up the strap city right like he's he's embracing it so uh I hope he puts it together and the fact that he put on some extra weight man that's I think that's a good sign too like you said the right kind of weight you know not the not the kind of weight I'm carrying right now you know what I mean eating too much dude almost put on 20 pounds of I'm guessing I'm guessing 98% muscle right I mean he he probably stopped at cver once that entire offseason right to get his cheese curds but well they they actually did ask him they're like was it hard what was the worst part about it as far as like eating more calories than you've ever eaten or feeling kind of sluggish because you're eating there he's like no I just changed what I was eating and I decided I was going to work out a little bit harder and do this and that and he said it wasn't hard as long as I put my to it it's not hard at all he just brushed it off and I was like dang I wish I could do that with my jelly donuts and stuff she cares me my stomach hurt all the time but I do eat them though all right so let's see here safety rotation this is kind of cool West hakt says Matt laflor on the safety rotation next to Xavier mcken every day he said quote every day is going to be a new guy in there and just let it play out could have multiple guys playing opposite of Xavier McKenna on game day so they're looking at that could be a little coach speak we'll see but they're really doing a heavy rotation in the safety room trying to see who's who there so here's an update from that Matt snan tweeted out during practice and then Evan Williams picks off Shan Clifford in the end on a wobbly deep ball down the middle basically a jump ball for Davian Wicks and Williams came down with it earned a big fist bump from Jeff Halley that's two picks in the last two days for both ajj and Evan Williams uh before that I'm thinking it might be before that it says uh Anthony Johnson Jr with his second interception in as many days Michael Pratt threw high of Jaylen Wayne I don't even know who that is over the middle um ball tipped off of Wayne's hands and Johnson made the diving pick so that's interesting laflor said today it'll be a rotation of guys alongside Xavier mckin and Camp so Evan Williams dude listen katano ladapo can't make the club in the tub that's what we mean by that right we talk about it all the time um sounds like Evan Williams is making the most of his rep now I'm not saying he's going to Leap Frog Javon Bullard what I am saying is I'm feeling even more comfortable about that safety room you could probably Plug and Play either one of those we're in the third day of camp and I'm over here going we got our safety room we a even got the pads on yet but Evan Williams has done nothing but impress and our big question mark was we know he can hit we know he can tackle he can Rush the quarterback all those exotic things they did at Oregon but can he cover he's showing he can cover at least right now with the pads off so um yeah what do you think uh what you think Jacob you think you do you think Evan Williams has a chance to beat out bull or do you think Bullard has got that man I don't think that he I mean he has a chance obviously it's a chance for anything really but um I think that it's starting to show like you talked about they might have certain packages I know that Xavier is gonna be the absolute constant but I think that it might give Jeff Halley you know he talked about making things simple and just making sure everybody understands I think he might realize that in that secondary he doesn't have to make it as simple as he once thought he would um he's got an interchangeable group of we might have to keep five of those safeties right because especi and I'll just say the secondary in general I would say that he probably is sitting there going man I can do a lot of stuff with this um you know even with maybe five or four Dbacks on the field at one time who knows he can get really start to pick and get really unique with certain downs and distances and all that kind of stuff and I really do have High Hopes with this defense I know it's right now I never thought it would be but I think our linebacker group might be the most up in the air because we need to see Quay take a step we need Edan to make a really big step and maybe have guys like McDuffy and Wilson actually kind of show us that they can be more than backups but I think our dline stacked secondary stacked completely from this quarterback room to the safety room now so Jacob you are such a professional sir what a segue look at this match I said Isaiah McDuffy blew up multiple run plays during 11 on 11 today don't count him out just yet in that linebacker group Packers might have something with Quay McDuffy and Cooper I'm seeing Quay as the mock Cooper as the will McDuffy as the Sam sign me up boys Mass head that Isaiah just you know showed out every time you know he comes out and works hard on uh defense special teams everything that he carries himself consistent and and he loves that about him and he was kind of saying the same thing um who were we just talking about yeah yeah he thing about it I can't even with ER you read the chat didn't you I'm sorry I gotta do it to [Music] you bro I couldn't tell you how many times I've been mids sentence and go what was I even talking about here's what I do someone else we've heard a lot a lot you know speak a lot the last few years just go ah anyway so all right with that being said last last little tidbit of the day obviously the defense won the day as again so it's more push-ups for the offense says Matt snin third straight day Victorious for the defense as Jordan Love Remains on the sideline um so there you go man defense dominates again we we' seen this last year guys go back look at the camp updates last year the offense was constantly doing push-ups I remember Ryan on the pack Packer Net podcast saying I just want the offense to win one day I want the defense to have to do push-ups one time so here we are again man um again the defense always has the upper hand I feel like early that's what I was going to say in matth press was talking about how both the safeties uh any safety that's coming in is going to need to be able to play post or play box opposite of X so that we can bring X up and down it's like everybody needs to be able to do both in that option so that so that this defense can hum um and I like that I like that Bullard and Evan have shown it so far that that's where they're heading um with their performances yeah love it all right so obviously as we get ready to wrap up here tomorrow is an off day for the P well doesn't mean there's an off day there's no open PR Signing Day what is it Signing Day oh yeah tomorrow yeah yeah tomorrow or Friday morning yeah Signing Day what are you talking about signing Jordan love tomorrow on so we can ready to start on Friday I'm like what did I miss they changed the rules or something in the league so um yeah so tomorrow no open practice to to the public but then Friday at 10:30 a am practice I think I heard someone say today the pads come on Saturday I've heard Friday is Saturday Okay so Saturday we get the pads popping again my deadline for being worried will be the 31 July 31st if Jordan love still hasn't have a contract I'm going to be going all right let's go let's get this thing together do I need to come up there and write a check it'll bounce it'll bounce all over Brown County but I'll write the damn check you know what I'm saying so um we'll see what happens and again August 1 next Thursday is the Hall of Fame game the very first preseason game of the NFL then you got family not two days later and then of course we will have uh our first Packers preseason game the following Saturday 325 kickoff I love that boys that's awesome right there so nice little midday game there so got some joint practic is coming up a little later in the month too um actually just one right with Baltimore the 22nd so yeah and they one day because they said that two days were getting a little too heated they learned how to not do that dude yeah I love how Elton Jenkins got out of it last year right the players don't like it it's obvious Elton just went out there in Cincinnati smacked a couple guys in the mouth got thrown out we're good done that at work a couple times yeah he just gotta crash some skulls did yall see real quick there there was like three different teams where they had massive fights in their team during their their uh there was the Kan City Chiefs Houston had one I want to say that there was at least one or two others so it's really cool to see that we're able to keep this continuity and just make sure these guys they're so young like they don't have anything to beef about you know what I'm saying it's it's kind of I like the intensity if I was that would be my excuse if I'm one of those teams but at the same time that to me shows that there's not enough structure if you guys are getting in fullon like they were deting each other and throwing punches and stuff it's like that's crazy I gotta know who it was let's see here six hours ago new footage wild footage from the F at Texans Camp here we go let's P this is a bad one give me a second Milo say something small yeah car the Chiefs one was caraus I think he deed cadarius Tony but he didn't even really de coming in momentum cadarius Tony's like 5 foot H the ground and then he Chuck the ball back kind of just gave him a little a little shove to you're like little brother sort of and then the other one I believe it was uh one of their decent quarterbacks came and blindsided Dalton Schultz because he got him on the ground oh no here we go we're gonna have to keep it muted there might be laying with we got children watching so here we go right you see a little scuffle little little chirping all right oh oh look at that all you hear is the crowd going oh no let's see if we it might be some cuss words ear mu the kids real quick we got to hear this [Music] okay oh I love it look I I am 71 71 is my spirit animal look everybody else is sprinting on the field watch 71 [Music] Clos oh what happened taking my shoes off man I'm too tired to get over there I'm just gonna hang out back here guys so I love it man training camp boy you can imagine how hot it gets in those pads and everything oh my gosh so oh yeah all right Milo parting thoughts sir what do you got nothing man well I want the pets come on then we can start talking about o line dline issues there you go I like it Jacob anything else man I got such a good joke but I'm not going to do it uh you guys just uh have a great night tomorrow I hope that we're talking about a Jordan love contract because that really is what I feel like would really catapult us into um the next few weeks of getting everything ready because we've seen this offense desperately needs a leader and uh I want us to have the defense do a few push-ups here and there you know what I mean yeah I got Lincoln scratching at the door he's like bro let me in there it's three degrees cooler in your office let me in there all right we appreciate everybody hanging out with us thank y'all so much we'll be back tomorrow 7 PM Central Time chewy get a hold of me shoot me a DM bro you won the awesome frame picture that Mr Larry donated to the Pod frame photo of the great quarterback Bart Star Aaron Rogers Brett Fab together make sure you reach out chewy and I'll just hand deliver it it sounds like you're you're pretty close here to where I live so get that to you what did you just say nothing like the chat changed when I was trying to put one up that was no no appropriate all right God this show sucks we can't make it through one episode without 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