Shirley Bassey on the 1969 Michael Douglas (10 4 edited)

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] welcome to the Mike doler show this is Jolly Callis and with us on today's show will be Herby man Michael dun a cooking demonstration of Shirley bass's favorite suit Clay Shaw and Mike's co-hostess for the week Shirley Bass and now here's [Music] [Applause] Mike the reason I came out and sat right here is that I don't want to waste any time we have one of the most exciting ladies on this show this week and here is her new album Shirley Bassie this is my life she's going to share some of that life with you right now Miss Shirley Bassie [Music] [Applause] [Music] Johnny could only sing one note and the note he sang was this Johnny one sang out with gust and just [Music] over Johnny one yell well until he was blue in the face [Music] holding one node was his Ace couldn't hear the grass couldn't hear the drum he was in a class by Johnny got indeed a great chance to be brave he took his one not how like the north brought forth with the made turn around in his grave couldn't hear the flute all the big tro everyone was mute Johnny stood alone cats and dogs stopped yapping lions in the Z we all jealous of Johnny's piig Thunder claps stop clapping traffic ceased It Roar and they tell as Stood Still he stopped the train whistles boat whistles steam whistles cck whistles all whistles bow to his SK oh sing Johnny one sing out with and just overwhelm all the C sing johy one no doubt Loud Sing Johnny one sing Johnny You are not [Music] [Applause] alone thank you thank you [Music] funny how a lonely day can make a person say what good is my life funny how a breaking heart can make me start to say what good is my life [Music] funny how I often seem to think I'll find another dream why Li till I look around and see this great big world is part of me and my love this is my Lord today tomorrow love will come and find [Music] me that's the way that all was Bor to be this is me this is [Music] me this is my life and I don't give a damn for lost emotion I such a lot of love I've got to give let me live let me [Applause] [Music] live sometimes when I feel afraid I think of what a mess I've made of my life crying over my mistakes forgetting all all the breaks I've had in my [Music] life I was put on Earth to be a part of this great world is me and my life guess I'll just add up the score and count the things I am grateful for in my [Music] this is my life Lord come find me for that's the way that I was born to be this is me this is [Music] me this is my love and I don't give a die for L emotion I such a lot of love got let me live let me me [Music] live this is my life this is my Lord this is my life yes oh Charlie we'll be right back we be right back [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] at at the risk of of Sonic commercial that's the titled song of This Album and I heard Vic Deone do that at Palumbo and he said something about the fact that it had something to do or had been performed at the Sano yes I did it in the Sano festiv last year yes did It win no it didn't unfortunately how how did it Place seriously uh it didn't place anywhere I sang it half Italian half English fantastic song Beautiful song but but it was a big hit on the H parade in Italy after the you you put so much into a song I don't know when I've ever heard anybody do that you perform you're so emotional you really get into a song Don't you yes I really do have you suffered a lot in your life surely mhm yes I think I'm serious yes because they say the best singers are those who have have had some disappointments and some suffer I've had many yes mhm as a is a child or as an adult uh well more as an adult than a child believe it or not you know uh but it came from my childhood because I wasn't protected enough when I came when I entered into the world of Show Business you see because I was so sheltered as a child I wasn't ready for that you know and so therefore all these knocks and that I kept coming up against I couldn't uh couldn't cope with I couldn't cope with you know is it as tough in this business for a lady uh where you started you started in England didn't you I started in England yes is it as tough over there as it is here no I don't think so no because it's competitive highly competitive here and because it is a lucrative business that people you know there are some some people who are not the the greatest people in the world in this business oh which is no secret you know real Rat Race here and I imagine for for for a lady it's very very very tough it's even tougher and you brought that up yesterday I was fascinated with that you said that men uh are sort of afraid of you when you're in this business they they want to Ro you and yet they think they're frightened that you might put them down and like say oh you know cuz you've been everywhere back off you know I'm married you know I'm you're not my type but something and and this if you say that to a man naturally it's going to upset him you know and it's going to affect him in some way or other and so rather than have that they just don't approach you you know they said well leave it alone so becomes very lonely becomes very lonely even though I'm married you know now I'm my husband doesn't travel all the time with me it's nice to sit down have a drink and talk to a man you know rather than sort of sit and talk to a bunch of females all the time you know yeah there yours a very happy marriage shley yes it is it's it's it's it's a difficult marriage it's you're he's where he in very difficult yes shley lives in Switzerland now and uh how you're going back after tomorrow's show aren't you yes I am I'm going right back to now how long will you be back a month I'm going to rest up for a month mhm you work very hard do you ever have any vocal problems because sometimes I do it all depends where I go if I go to especially humid places like I've just come from Puerto Rico now and I had a lot of trouble there because it's terribly humid and when I go to Australia I have trouble because it's humid there but Las Vegas I have no problem because it's very dry do you want stardom Shirley do you want to be a big star I'd like to be a big star but I'm not got she's got to be don't you don't you feel [Applause] [Music] it got to happen I I you know what I how I S very few people give me goosebumps I get goosebumps when I hear you that's myice and that's yeah it's good except for the fact it's embarrassing when you go on to go to the beach you know later we want I want you to meet a a real nice nut now I enjoy I enjoy watching this guy and listening to him but especially watching him I think if he dressed unusual it would help him a little bit here now is a very nice human being Mr Charlie [Applause] [Music] Callas one Bri and guiding night that t me wrong from right I found in my mother's wife listen it's a wonderful pleasure to be here in the Mike dou shop you know and if Mike were alive today good good evening good afternoon welcome my name is Charlie Callis well no that's my real name Charlie Callis and I was named after the famous opera singer Maria Charlie but uh it's a pleasure to be here you like this outfit huh you know what sign show them the pants show them the pants the pants yes okay look close upy look at this like that you know what size this is one yeah you'll laugh them but you know you people when you buy a wardrobe you got to spend money 1002 three four $500 not me $8.98 for this outfit true Barbie dolls you ever see a fat Greyhound no I uh I want let it out don't hold it in you're going to blow up you're going to no we used to have a lady come into a club this is true she's never laugh she sit there she go she held a laugh in it went around they took her to a hospital because she wouldn't laugh they cut her open right here you know it came out haha I for my whole life I'm doing but uh uh uh yes oh I come from Miami B I lost my place I I come from Miami that's that's my I was living there for about 14 years have you ever been down in Miami dear yeah you like it down here the ocean I hate it ask me why ask me why ask me why why I'm glad you ask me why no it's a personal thing with me see when you walk on a beach you got to wear a bathing suit right you should see me in a bathing suit you should see me in a white bathing suit my girl just look like a pair of pliers with a Band-Aid on it I'm always having trouble with my I I figure how how I want to become a man you know build myself up what I joined the army this 19 during the cor can you imagine me with the grenades the full field pack come on you commi rats this is callus where are you I'm waiting for you you didn't got to watch out over it those vied Kong are so small they can Ambush you from a Dixie cup huh to become a man I figured I have a tattoo put on I dropped off my Fort Knox Kentucky my first day in maneuvers you got the picture I'm driving along I get a flat and I'm in a tank I no I I listen somebody I I I I would have I would have fixed it but I couldn't pull off the hubc you know what I went to my doctor I says doc this wave problem is driving me crazy people always picking on me and I I said Build Me Up Deuce he said forget it I said doc I'm over here he said get a he said he said to get a hobby to take my mind off of my I got it hobby I crossed breed things and last month I crossed a bumblebee with an elephant ask me what I got I don't know what I got but can you imagine getting stung with a Tusk hey do we have time for the story I don't know where I am how much time do I have keep going okay I want to do a uh I want to get the weight off my feet uh I uh uh this is a story now this is true I've I've been in Show Business now eight and a half years I've been a star a comedian for eight and a half years and uh before that I used to be a drummer musician I played a lot of bands martii Flanigan Claude Thornhill now this is the voice the first the first voice is not the word first is the voice this is a first story I ever told on a nightclub floor and uh scissor and uh anyhow it concern the search for the oldest living man there had been a rumor going around that there was a man living in Mexico and he was supposed to be 149 years old and that's a lot of chili under the bridge you know what I mean so to see if this Mexican existed they sent for this reporter from the times and he traveled high and low and he finally came upon a little village and he found this Mexican and this Mexican looked like a thousand year old Turtle his skin was wrinkled eyes sunk deep in his head no teeth in his mouth hand shaking like a leaf but there he was and one the American came over to me said Woo I found you could you tell me please The Secret of your longevity how did you get to be so old what what what is tell me please and this is the way the little old Mexican [Music] answer you you want to know the secret of the long [Music] life the secret yeah oh it's no secret you say every morning before breakfast I always drink one bottle of the kill and I always smoke three pack of [Applause] [Music] cigarettes every evening before dinner I always drink only three ble of and I always smoke six six SP of [Music] cigarette oh that's good Stu [Music] and every night every night before I go to sleep you know what I do what every night before I go to sleep I always visit with five different women [Music] that's the secret of the long life every day I thinkink the kill smoke a cigarette and visit with five different women every day of my life the Americans it's amazing how old are you really he say I'm 23 years old G [Music] [Applause] [Music] Charlie yes we're on Charlie oh we're on okay hey didn't I did anybody ever kick sand in your face when you were a kid yes on the beach yes that that happened quite a while but then I developed myself I see you did all those what do they call them bends and all that no these what do they call Dynamic tension Dynamic tension all that stuff you do that yeah I have a feeling you're in great shape that this is kind of a put on with you about the thin thing yeah do you have a do you have a hearty appetite surprisingly I do yes I eat like me I don't know what it is I I weigh a how much do you think I weigh 125 I'll take it you 131 I've always been like that this just my my doctor says I have a Cadillac engine and a Ford body whatever is you got a big heart it's just one of those things do you worry about your physical condition no couldn't care less no I mean I I don't do anything like U uh you know to abuse it or anything I just you smoke though I can tell you smoke pretty good I smoke but I'm always out in the fields and stuff I do a lot of shooting High Velocity rifles for targets and stuff it's been my he's not King now this is you're serious oh yeah oh yeah and I love to get out into the air well especially when I'm from Vegas I go into the desert or I go out Texas wherever I am I love to walk a good shot well I hold a masses in 45 and it's a pistol that's the hardest that's harder than shooting a rifle pistol shooting uh it's about well they calculated about 10 to 12 times harder because you have three positions when you're holding a rifle but a pistol we use hard ball we fire at 50 yards what do you mean you hold a masters what does that mean well there is a sharpshooter a marksman expert in Masters in 45 been firing for about almost 13 years yeah how did the whole thing start as a kid or well surprisingly when I went in the Army I hated guns I did I really hated guns and I picked up military field drums and then I became a musician but in the me and when I moved down to Florida in 50 56 a friend of mine a musician who was playing at the fountain blue he uh was shooting a target pistol at a range and I went with him and I got interested and I bought a little 22 and then 45s and 38s and I became a adep that I love it and especially to go Outdoors you compete with a thing like this to oh yes can't Perry yeah I don't kill anything I I just shoot targets I just punch a hole in a Target 1 2 three the furthest I've ever fired was the using of Bull Barrels what they call I guess if there any Shooters watching and I use a bull barrel of weatherbe a special type of a a caliber and I fired 500 yards using 20 Power unital Scope take a shot at that fell doing this to us no I want to I do want to bring on our next you wrote you wrote down with our next guest didn't you yeah New York yeah Mike great first time I ever met him fantastic tal it really didn't take uh our next guest long uh to start his move in this business after his initial success on Broadway in a in a play called Ballad of a of a Sad Cafe and then he was as you all know nominated for an Oscar award for his uh portrayal in Ship of Fools and you've seen him many times on wild wild west and you've seen him in numerous films he's been kept quite busy so greet the very talented Michael Dunn what a day this has been what a rare mood I'm in why it's almost like being in love there's a smile on my face for the whole human race and it's almost like being in love all the music of life seems to be like a bell that is ringing for me and from the way that I feel when that Bell starts to peel I could swear I was falling in love all the music of life seems to be like a bell that is ringing for me and from the way that I feel when I fell starts to feel I could swear I was falling it's all like falling it's almost like [Applause] [Music] [Applause] being hi you good to see you it's been uh I don't know how long I've it's been 6 or eight months since you were here last I guess you the busiest guy in the world I see you everywhere on all the shows yeah I was uh you got another hit on Broadway or well not exactly Broadway yeah but Lincoln Center and it's uh actually they have several theaters at Lincoln Center and this is the smaller of the two that are designed specifically for Stage production beautiful house The Forum theater 299 seats which is a perfect size to play I hear that that acoustically is very nice too oh yeah I've been fighting a bad cold for a couple of weeks and the only reason I can get away with it really is that I don't have to push in a house that small cuz I can't get any time off you to project to much I mean you can talk like a human person with a regular voice and they can hear you in the back you know I've got to ask you because the period is upon us now the Oscar period where we we know who's nominated and uh they're all sort of sweating the thing out now you went through that with your nomination Ship of Fools what do you feel like I mean when you're thinking about you know you got to think about the possibility of winning and what you might say which the whole world's going to hear right what do it like Mike well with me it was a mixture of several things and I imagine it is with everybody you try not to hope you're going to get it because you know it's one chance in five so you try not to bank on it you know CU you don't want to be heartbroken yeah right but it uh little Panic sets in you know but with me I have so many crazy friends they were all giving me fancy lines that I should put in a speech in case I won I have this one crazy friend Frank Wayne who's out of his nice man totally insane his favorite one he came up with he says uh I should say I want to thank Charlie McCarthy for the loan of The Tuxedo he is out of his trade but my favorite one that he told me was ladies and gentlemen with this award tonight I feel so proud I feel 4T tall and I didn't have a chance to use them tell me something when you're nominated and there are four other people nominated do you do you make it a point to go and see their pictures to kind of compare notes uh gee I don't know a lot of people do and a lot of people don't I did yeah and uh I to tell you the truth I don't go to movies a lot mostly because I'm working and I you know I don't have time do you like movies when you do I like them when I have time yeah but I go to movies like in spurts if I have a month off or something and somewhere in the middle for two weeks I'll go to movies every day maybe two in a day you know try to catch everything that's around know for a long time I won't have time to see anything you know and what does it mean to to an actor's career if he wins the Oscar well I don't know maybe we should start with the nomination what did it do for you the nomination is really a fantastic thing because uh there is kind of a Superstition in the business that if you win an Oscar your career kind of stops there at least momentarily happed to Mercedes mcbridge is I it happened to several people apparently although I can't remember this specific rer yeah but getting a nomination is really a fantastic thing because these nominations are made by your fellow Professionals in the business and that means so much that the people who really know what's going on think that you did a good enough job to be one of the five people that they would even look at once you get past the nomination into the actual election of the single person who wins the award sometimes it gets a little bit sentimental there yeah uh not always I mean it always goes to somebody who's done good job or they wouldn't have been nominated in the first place but sometimes the final decision will be kind of based on well somebody's been nominated a couple of times before and never won it and it might not necessarily be the best performance Marty Allen has has a speech all prepared he said which he he saids he'd love to give if you ever want ever want an award he'd take the award in his hand and and look right into the camera and say I really didn't need my producer for this I really didn't need the writers I didn't need any of the cameraman any of the crew I didn't need anybody but me and I want to accept this award in all humility which I think is crazy it's crazy too you think people are starting to write roles with with you in mind now in some cases yes I've been offered some things lately that were written specially for me and some I may do when some I may not but for instance this play I'm doing it's called the inner Journey uh the play I'm doing now in New York was not by any means written for me in fact it was originally written many years ago before anybody had ever heard of me um and it happens that uh the the part is exactly right for me the two leads are uh me and my father and um if anybody here in the audience or anybody on the television audience has a chance to be in New York around the Forum theater between now and the 19th of April if when we go on but uh what 19th of April is yeah my God that's not very long no no Saks up M because of what you just said I'm wondering I've heard many actors say uh I've read many scripts and i' you know there are some I like some I didn't like have you ever turned on one that that became a hit no but I haven't had that many chances to turn them down I imagine a lot of actors I've turned down an awful lot of junky scripts that people send to me but I know I've heard from some actors that they turned down something that they didn't think would work and later somebody else picked it up and made a big smash with it or something I I see that you've made a very effective spot for the March of Dimes is is that something you asked to do Mike no they called me and um it was funny because I was I sleep late when I can because I generally work late it takes me a while to unwind you're a night person yeah so I was it was about 10:00 in the morning and I the phone woke me up and went huh and this guy introduced himself he was the producer of the spot and asked if I would do it and I said sure and I wrote his name down and his phone number but then I hung up and I went back to sleep and I didn't remember when I woke back up what the phone number and name were about so I called him figuring well I wrote it down it must have meant something so I called him back and he explained what it was again understanding that I'd been asleep the first time and uh it turned out to be a very good thing and I hope useful because that's an important thing how has the reaction been because very strong the particular spot that I did was concerned with uh birth defects in children which is why they chose me because this the thing I have that makes me short is a congenital birth defect involving the bones and very rare I wouldn't get anything everybody else has got I got to have one of my own but uh there isn't much research done in the particular area of condr distrophy which is what I have and that's one of the things that is covered by the research they do backed by this uh the march of diam thing hey tell the story about your I love Mother's stories and this is so cute mother mother is so funny shees she's a really Jazzy lady she's funny I've never heard a guy say that about his mother before she's great but she saw the spot on the marching times thing uh of course I told them ahead of time that I was going to do it you know and they were very pleased and proud that I would do it and everything but uh so I sat up there and I did the spot and next time I talk to them a couple times a week usually on the phone cuz they live in still in Oklahoma no they live in Michigan oh the Michigan and I live in New York so I talk to them a couple times a week on the phone my mother says oh it was beautiful it was beautiful but Michael your hair was so long isn't that typical of a mother Michael D we all be right back following [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] this well by now I'm sure that everyone has heard of Clay Shaw two years ago he was accused of a conspiracy to assassinate the late President Kennedy but by Jim Garrison the very colorful district attorney of New Orleans on March 1st of this year a jury unanimously decided that he was not guilty would you welcome to our show Mr Clay [Applause] [Music] Shaw well it's good to have you here it's very nice to be with you thank you what exactly were uh Jim Garrison's charges against you Mr Shaw I was charged with conspiring with um three other people who murder the president of the United States the others three being dead of course MH why why do you think he chose you well you have to um think back a little at this time Mr Garrison was very keen on the idea that um the assassination was carried out by anti-castro Cubans and anybody who had any Cuban connections was necessarily suspect in his book I had been managing director of the international trade modern New Orleans where the Cuban consulate was housed and Le Harve Oswell when he was in New Orleans did decide to distribute some leaflets in front of the trademark a fair play for cubaan leaflets so I didn't meet him and most unfortunately a lawyer named Dean Andrews in New Orleans told a story to the warrant commission that someone named clay Bertrand had called him to defend Oswald this during the course of my own trial Mr friend uh said was an invention of his own but these were the factors I think that uh made Mr Garrison feel well there must be something here now any honest investigation would have prove there was not of course what is the international trade mark this is a center that's built by a nonprofit corporation in New Orleans to promote International Trade through the port of New Orleans Port is our big business there and this is a center where people can display their goods and export goods and import Goods so anybody can go there and get a wide variety of either import export goods you said a moment ago you you didn't know Lee Harvey Oswell what was the connection between you and and Lee Harvey oswal and none at all except that on one occasion he'd come in and saw had seen my assistant and asked for permission to uh distribute these circulars do you remember having seen him no I didn't see him at all oh you didn't see I see and then later in the day I was uh someone came in said there's some nut down in front of the building creating a disturbance so Lobby WR down but then I the telephone rang it was long distance and I didn't get down or by the time I did get down the police would car away mhm so I never saw the guy and after the assassination I said to my secretary I said you know maybe it's unfortunate I didn't meet that fellow because I had a chance for maybe a tiny little footnote in history which turned out to be a rather ironic remark All Things Considered who was it that determined later that it was leeah Harvey oswal oh the FBI they did thorough investigation they had pictures of him and as a matter of fact U when he distributed the lefet he invited all the TV people to come down and have a look so they were you know matter matters of record well what what was your life like before the indictment what were you doing I understand you were retired yeah I retired when I was 52 I decided I want to do some writing and I want to do some traveling I wanted to travel while I could still walk up a gang plank instead of being carried up one you know so I quit at 52 and I had uh been abroad I'd been in France I've been in England i' been in Spain I've been doing some work and I came back toward the end of 1966 to have retired at 52 you must have been a man of some means then because most people I'll put a look at the the reverse side I'm a man of not too many wants you see I see and I'd made enough to satisfy those simple wants until the point on the Actuarial Table where I'd be gone you know so I I was determined I was going to do just that how did your life change uh during those two years well it's pretty dramatic pretty dramatic change of course in one sense that is uh to be accused of the and be perfectly innocent to be accused of the most awful crime of the century certainly must necessarily have a pretty profound psychological impact on the other hand I found that I that the wisest thing to do I mean wise now in the sense of psychological Health yes was to go on just as very much as I had been which I did do I went to theaters I went to concerts I went on dinner parties with friends and this kind of thing and in so far as it's possible continued to lead very much the same kind of life I've done before did you find that your life uh as far as your immediate friends were concerned changed any in that period no they were they were all my really good friends were all terribly concerned of that's when you find out who your good friends are when something no question about hostility I mean surprisingly surprisingly not uh I had expected him was perfectly prepared people strangers come out and say you know you so and so you did this that you didn't get any of that not one bit of it on the contrary Perfect Stranger would come up and say you know we're rooting for you old boy don't worry but it's going to be all right and this kind of thing did you spend any excuse me Shy you were going to I was going to say when you've been accused of something so so horrendous so fantastic assassination of the late President Kennedy uh by is Mr Garrison what happens I mean can can you now turn and and sue him for well um yes guilty um yes I having been found not guilty you can Pro you can sue a prosecutor but it's not very it's not very easy to collect you have to prove malice this is very difficult to do you have means you have to get inside the man's mind and prove by some measure what he was up to yeah very long trial too yes there are other legal remedies which um something on in preparation I don't want to go into detail about them what's he doing now I'm sorry oh that's all right what's he what's happening to him well he is still district attorney of the Parish of Orleans and will so remain I presume until November when he comes up for re-election well were you acquainted with him before that's mental telepathy that's exactly I wanted to know perfectly sensible and reasonable uh question yes I had known him uh never very well I mean we in New Orleans being a town of size it is you meet we would meet on uh Civic lunches and on committees and that sort of thing and it was you know hi Jim hi Play It's kind of thing you didn't spend any time in jail no no uh I was out on bond $10,000 bail which seemed seemed rather cheap for the for the caliber of the crime charge seem as if perhaps the uh judge who set the bond wasn't quite sure oh well not I mean if he really believed the charge come on $10,000 is not a great deal without fail you can spend more time with us I hope oh sure cuz we have to pause right now we're coming right back with play show on everyone [Music] [Applause] [Music] we are of course conversing with Mr Clay Shaw a man who on March 1st was acquitted of a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy and how did you find out about the indictment Mr sha well two years to the day before that on March 1st 1967 good morning A friend of mine called me on the telephone said something on the TV about a subpoena being issued for you Suba so all right so I called up the DA's office and asked him Mr paron he wasn't there I asked one of the assistants I got it and said you got a subpoena after for me yeah I why you could telephone me you know you don't there's no read for a subpoena what you want to talk to me yeah I'd be glad to come out and see you what time well could you come at 1:00 sure I went out didn't take a lawyer to you know I just went out to give information as a good citizen should if they felt I had they needed and I kept me waiting about an hour and a half and then these two guys these two assistants da started OSS questioning me and I said no I don't know anything about all this this is foolishness you know so then I said where you going to we're going to insist you take a u a det lie detector test so I said no why should I what's what the idea this if you don't we're going to charge you as conspiracy to murder the Pres late president of the United States I thought you got to be kidding no very you serious in that case I want a lawyer right now and I I sent for him what what did you do to keep yourself going now you said at that point you were relatively comfortable to to have retired at 52 are you weal are you wealthy today no this has taken two years of Investigation you know plus lawyers fees I very good attorneys marvelous team did a wonderful job for us but uh good lawyers like the best of everything comes High you know and uh so we've I would say now well I've got to go back to work it's what it boils down to and I've had to Mortgage in my house and do a lot of things what would you do what kind of work who knows I haven't had any office yet you have no trace of a southern draw are you're not from New Orleans yes I'm from from New Orleans but you know actually there's not much southern accent in New Orleans uh I heard a great deal of it when I was down there in that blog these must have been mississippians who were visiting for the weekend or something no really New Orleans there always been a poort it's been open to outside influences and you don't get the honeysuckle honey child Georgia Mississippi accent much in your I like yeah well why did it take two years to get the case into court well um the first 6 months there had been such an upheaval such a tremendous publicity of this thing Mr Garrison is doing of course that it was agreed that for the first 6 months we would postpone the case and not try it and then my lawyer said there's no reason why you should go to trial on this thing we're going to appeal to the federal courts this this whole thing this whole investigation this Garrison probe is a phony and we're going to go in and ask the federal courts to move to protect you so we went in and we fought this all the way up to the Supreme Court you know this takes time as well as money oh goly and finally the Supreme Court declined to intervene for a lot of comp licated legal reasons and then we back to I let's go to trial we go ahead and try the thing I I don't know about any of you people here but if it if it would have been me I would have I would have been inclined to just say to the Lord look let's get it over with I can't cuz I can't stand waiting around you go crazy you know you got to go bananas in two years waiting around no you don't when you when you have extra burdens laid on you you have extra strength given to you at the same time yes you do believe me you and i' no I think one one one do one one does have this extra strength I don't you can call it if you're religious you can say it's a gift of God or if you want to interpret in other terms you can say your psychology readjust itself or whatever hat is though I can empirically tell you it does happen uh never having met uh Mr Garrison only having read about him uh I've heard that he's a very colorful man and it's been said that he's been accused of using you to further his political career do you think this is true well he certainly used me to present uh to provide a IAL Forum on which his attack on the Warren Commission could be mounted and publicized now I can't tell you did you read the Warren report yes I'm one of the few people who have actually in its entirety 26 volumes all of them wow I didn't I didn't have much Choice it was required reading shall we say at this point for me what are your personal feelings toward Mr Garrison well everyone ask I don't feel particularly vindictive I don't uh U I decided early on in the game that if you're going to let hatred and vindictive those kind of things carry you you aren't going to be able to stand I then you couldn't stand two years you see because a guy you hate you don't hurt him but Hate's a very corrosive emotion years same thing that he's doing yeah and two years of this kind of thing and really you'd be destroyed I think so I have no indictive that doesn't mean I don't feel strongly about this I feel very strongly and I want to talk about it I want to lecture it I want to a book I want I want to make it impossible if I can if this could ever happen to anybody else in the way it has happened in new did you say you were going to write a book about it I hope yes yes besides the the obvious things the the the personal pain and and and and the embarrassment of it all uh what has caused you the what has Disturbed you most about this thing the most disturbing thing is the fact that it while New Orleans is a city of fantasy and this could happen probably more easily there but in effect it could happen anywhere in this country to any one of us here the prosecutor has a great deal of power everywhere in particularly in New Orleans and in the hands of man who doesn't care how he uses his power he can create an awful lot of trouble for anybody at home and I think that whenever these an abuse of this sort happens the more widely it can be publicized than the better for the for for the rest of the country truly you know what was kind of scary when it hit the papers you know you found people saying hey I think he's got a good case I think that Garrison's got a good case against it shw fellow well you see this reflects really a kind of will to believe I think the American people lot of of them felt that you know they just had to be a conspiracy sort of said Gee now we're going to get to the bottom of this thing now because everybody is bothered by did you find an awful lot of uh disbelief in uh forgetting about your direct part in did you find an an awful lot of disbelief in the Warren report yes I did I I have friends in in Europe for example almost everybody in Europe is convinced there was a conspiracy as you may know and good friends friends of longstanding that of course we don't think you had anything to do with it but there must have been a conspiracy they still and and uh I think what really does it is the incongruous quality of what happened in D Plaza you know people whether we know it or not we expect life to have a certain uh shape and uh when death comes for a great statman uh uh it should come with great black plumes and nodding horses and pan it's very hard for us to think that that this great and golden Prince was stricken down by a psychotic little loser crouching behind some pasteboard boxes with a cheap mail order rifle and and his sweating palms and so that I think is really the basis for a lot of the people well it just couldn't happen that way that's right now but of course to say that things aren't as they are because they shouldn't be as they are is is kind of childish you you're charged now with perjury what is your next step to go ahead and defend myself against this I feel like a guy who's slain a dragon and the dragon's little baby brother comes along in the form of perjury charges and I've got to well resharpen the Lance and have at it again you know well I certainly want to thank you for paying us this visit it's been most enlighting thank you very [Applause] [Music] much one one of the things I enjoy about doing a show like this is you know the variety of it we you know we had Surly B R Alis Michael dun Clay Shaw and now for you Jazz lovers we have a super musician with us a man who's responsible for this album called Memphis underground here with his solid gold flute Mr Herby man [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] y [Music] oh [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Applause] [Music] n [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] he [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] e [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] pap [Music] a man welcome back [Music] Herby is that really gold solid completely solid gold was that your idea to have a solid no never heard of one before they've made Solid Gold flutes there's even platinum flutes no kidding now it's I think it's kind of ostentatious to have a platinum flute go flute is not what does it yeah what does it do to the sound of the instrument it's a little deeper I really uh wow it's all right when you're playing uh we just recorded with the Berlin Symphony and that's all right because it's kind of uh quiet you know did you just record with the Berlin SYM we just did a piece with my group in Symphony Orchestra that must be marvelous uh it's a terrible question to asked but how much does a solid gold flute cost when I bought it I bought it at the old gold price at $3,500 now it's I think ,000 what would a platinum cost if that's 3500 to 4,000 more yeah you don't have to pay you don't have to pay that for it though if you put your hery man's name on it you don't get a deal they can Haynes the company that makes these only can make so many flutes a year I had to wait nine months for it they're doing me a favor you know what you could have done in nine months I did did you he looks much better now too that's Hey listen would you do now you cut that out you I've got a a comment on your clothes you always have very unusual clothing and I noticed everyone in the band had a suit on tailored the way yours is now who designed that for you this I designed myself did you I got kind of tired of wearing shirts and ties and uh I really didn't like the ma and nou jackets everybody was wearing them yeah so I designed this myself and I have a tailor in New York making them for me is it comfortable completely the whole thing unsnaps and uh this is mock cuffs that comes off hey how about that that's just snapped on there you don't have to have to wear don't have to wear a shirt yet it looks like you do have one it's very nice indeed and eventually I hope a manufacturer will see it on one of these television shows and say hey would you like some money for that's how he got that flute folks it's exactly how he got the flute no it isn't it sounds wonderful hery you play so beautifully and it it is it is is it especially exciting for a jazz musician to suddenly find himself backed up by a by a symphony orchestra well you know uh to play with 96 musicians yes and you're in the studio this was a 30 minute piece and we did it in one take there was electricity there you know it's like uh did they enjoy it as much as you did yes it was all over the next day all the musicians want that weren't on the date wanted to know why they weren't and we already played it with the Toronto Symphony and uh it's called conet Gro in D Blues beautiful what place uh does Jazz does the Jazz sound have in today's music well you know the kids the younger people that have been listening to rock music they're kind of bored I think or the people that we're playing for now are kind of bored with just hearing The Melodies they want to hear something else so all the rock groups are now improvising I see they're playing jazz solos and uh because the kids want to hear more they want to hear their music you do a lot of college concerts that's primarily all we've been doing they do they respond favorably to what you do obviously completely we've been that's has become our audience we're kind of uh Bridging the the age Gap so to speak we've been doing it do you ever play hard rock her our music we may play the same kind of tunes that the rock groups play one of them is hold on I'm coming which was recorded by uh Sam and Dave it may not sound exactly the same because I suppose we're better musicians than the rock musicians are so we probably put more music into it the first number you played I recognized was written by Donovan we were trying to play that the young he's from your part of the world isn't he yes he is yeah and uh I remember on the Hollywood Palace we were all playing around with that thing that you find out what called there's there's a mountain could you give us another sample of uh is this what's in the album what we're going to hear right now hold on I'm coming Hold On by was it composed by Sam it was composed by Isaac Hayes it's from Memphis all right Herby man [Music] [Applause] [Music] a [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] a [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] oh [Applause] [Music] [Music] Herby man Herby man we'll be right back [Music] [Applause] [Music] are you on the wrong camera are you on the wrong camera oh Shirley explain again for for me what the national emblem of your home country Wales is now we showed that Monday smelly League that's it the league do the do the Welsh people eat a lot of leaks oh yes I mean it looks like an onion does it taste like an onion smells like an onion no you you cook it just as it is and use it as a a vegetable on the side what the Welsh do and they make soup out of it also mhm well our next guest and I must hold this the camera while I say this our next guest is the head instructor of The Gourmet cooking Forum presented by the Sears company he's one of the world's foremost chefs the most colorful man he's going to teach us how to make leak Le e k soup please welcome Chef Louie Louis no wait wait the the last name I want you to pronounce it so it's correct satari satari I said it I said it I said it satar l l Mar cookle soup and it was no no Mr satari uh does uh and Gourmet is cooking is that's a phrase overused in this country everybody says they're Gourmet cook and not many of them really are don't you agree well you know I think uh gourmet food is just fine food that's what it is of course it don't have to be a very very long processor don't have to be very elaborate probably for real Gourmet the finest things are natural things Natural Things Natural Foods yes is this is this a natural food very very natural is it what are these These are chopped pitted prunes I've been stealing Cho pitted prunes okay yes how about all this uh equipment that the push button equipment that all the ladies have in their homes today is that improved cooking definitely does because it takes out the chore from cooking and let them do just the parts which are enjoyable to do have you seen the new equipment that they' uh uh that they're showing now where you can you can cook a roast which normally takes 2 or 3 hours in just a matter of minutes it's inred a few infrared Oven infrared infrared fantastic okay you want to begin preparing this soup for us Mr Mr Mar but you know I'm a I'm a great cook you know that Mike are you a good cook yes but Brian I don't have to do all that though my nanny and my secretary does all that and then I just put it all into the park and oh great what what are you trying to say Shirley well you were mentioning all those uh modern instruments that you have in America you know which takes out all the uh you don't have those no we don't have all that and not not not today you live you you live in Switzerland though you have them there don't you uh you save all that tax money Liv you that's not a giant scallion no I have to send from England what that's not a giant scallion is it scallion is not scallion is a baby onion no well in England they may call it Ah that's a scallion that a giant scallion Oh you mean like it's with thyroid condition as what do they call them uh that you dip in salt you Shakespeare talks about that and what they called I get all his books the minute they come out okay what are we what do we at this what are you doing sir well first time this Joy think the chicken cutting up the chicken so it can go in the pot a good leak soup start with a whole chicken and you take the parts and put them in the pot in the body and after this you chop up the leak that chicken will never dance again I'll tell you that that's for sure take off the breast there is really an art to what this man is doing right now not everyone can the breast of the chicken and this you keep layer on because that's will be the garnish in the soup the what the garnish in the soup oh the garnish in the soup yes the finest part of his the breast no I thought he said garbage I was really oh no no we are not referring to strike in New York or a cheeseburger with a Dr Pepper so after you cut up the chicken and put it in the pot then you take some bacon bacon Sal pork not too much just a little bacon thick thick th slice bacon about 1 and a half slice and put it in a frying pan and when the bacon is in the frying pan then you cut up the leak of course only the white part and when the white part is cut off you discard the rest a lot of waste in in those leaks I see where the leak is well you know that no for the soup though Mike oh that's only for the sup there a lot sorry about that folks but it's an early show we have a leak Gap yeah a leak Gap very good Mike but that's for the soup and after you cut it up I did some chopping before so it doesn't take too much time then you put this with the bacon and try it for a few minutes oh getting hungry I love that Aroma that's what I hate about home cook to because but the trouble is you see this is a lunchtime show and none of us so how this is not a lunchtime show everywhere in the country and then this is now it is now in the with the [Music] soup how long does this take to this will cook well you see I'm all through with the preparation I have to add a little salt and a little Thyme and one Bailey and then right here oh is that the finished product is the finished product yeah yeah yeah here is the ready soup the only thing what you add in the last minute are the pitted prunes is some pitted prunes and after the pitted prunes you take a few thin slices of green leak and you put this on the soup you could kind of call this the way it's going a slow leak couldn't you that's right and then you slice up the chicken breast that's AER those moers on the show shely would you like to taste time F would I ever yes we are going to for you viewers at home we're going to show you a recipe slide very very hot please I know you want this blow a little more little little more it's good delicious delicious again are we going to show the recipe slide now gentlemen yes there it is Shirley's leak leak leaky Sou yes yes the Mike Douglas show in 1619 wart Philadelphia and please send a self-addressed stamped envelope if you want this Shirley's leaky soup I like that and I want to thank this gentleman Chef Lewis thank you z z z z I would like your wife to have oh thank you because she shops does indeed how' you know that because I saw him there thank you we'll be right back right [Music] back here you haven't you haven't sung all afternoon I know would you please sing a song yes I found my my April dream in Portugal with you when we discovered romance like we never knew my head was in the clouds my heart went crazy too and madly I said I love you too soon I heard you say this dream is for a day that's Portugal in love in April through and when the showers fell the tears I know so well they told me it was spring fooling me I found my April dream in Portugal with you when we discovered romance like I never knew then morning brought the rain and now my dream is through but still my heart says I love you my heart says I love you I never sang that song before I don't even know that song Herby man [Music] [Applause] [Music] la [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] n [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] my thanks to Herby man and his wonderful group to Charlie Callas Michael Dunn Clay Shaw and my co-host is Shirley Bassie who'll be back tomorrow and soon again I hope we'll see you [Applause] tomorrow transport and other considerations for the Mike dougl show provided by National Airlines when you think of Florida think of National Airlines we turn Florida into an airline limousine transportation for the Mike Douglas show provided by Herz Herz can provide you with a car almost anywhere in the world [Music] n [Music]