WATCH LIVE: The ABC News Presidential Debate Simulcast from The Washington Post

>> ITEM YOUR WARRIOR, I AM YOUR JUSTICE, I AM YOUR RETRIBUTION. >> I TOOK ON PERPETRATORS OF ALL KINDS. I KNOW DONALD TRUMP'S TYPE. >> THE 2024 ELECTION IS IN FULL SWING. FOR EVERY KEY CAMPAIGN MOMENT, THE WASHINGTON POST IS THERE, BRINGING YOU LIVE COVERAGE WITH INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS, FROM LANDMARK SUPREME COURT DECISIONS, TO THE SENTENCING OF DONALD TRUMP. WE WILL BE ON LOCATION REPORTING , BRINGING YOU REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTIONS AND THE PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. IT ONLY TOOK TWO HOURS 2024 ELECTION NIGHT SPECIAL, PROVIDING REAL-TIME RACE CALLS, LIFE UPDATES FROM REPORTERS ON THE GROUND. MONITORING THE PIVOTAL RACES THAT WILL DETERMINE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY. NO ONE COVERS POLITICS AND ELECTIONS LIKE THE WASHINGTON POST BECAUSE DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS. >> SHE IS SITTING AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND YET NOBODY KNOWS WHO SHE IS. >> I TOOK ON PERPETRATORS OF ALL KINDS. I KNOW DONALD TRUMP'S TYPE. >> AS A VICE PRESIDENT, SHE CAST THE DECIDING VOTE CAUSING THE WORST INFLATION IN DECADES. >> I WILL PROUDLY PUT MY RECORD AGAINST HIS, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. >> WE NEED TO TURN THE PAGE OF FOUR YEARS OF CALAMITY AND FAILURE. KAMALA YOU'RE FIRED, YOU'RE FIRED. GET OUT, GET OUT. >> THE CONSEQUENCES OF PUTTING DONALD TRUMP BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE EXTREMELY SERIOUS. AMERICA, WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. >> FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, DONALD TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS MEET ON STAGE AND GO HEAD TO HEAD IN TONIGHT'S ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WITH LESS THAN TWO MONTHS TO GO UNTIL ELECTION DAY, THIS MAY BE VOTERS ONLY CHANCE TO COMPARE THE CANDIDATES, AS THEY SPAR OVER THE BIGGEST ISSUES OF 2024. WELCOME TO LIVE COVERAGE FROM THE WASHINGTON POST AND THE SIMULCAST OF THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. I'M LIBBY CASEY. KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP TAKE THE STAGE AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER AT 9:00 EASTERN TIME. THE MODERATORS ARE DAVID MUIR AND LINSEYS OF ABC NEWS. IT WILLST FOR 90 MINUTES. WE WILL BROADCAST LIVE AND TO BE WITH YOU AFTERWARD FOR ANALYSIS. WE ARE WITHFOR THE NEXT HOUR PREVIEWING ALL THAT IS TO COMPUTE IM WITH COLUMNIST AND EDITORIAL WRITER JAMES HOHMANN, SENIOR VIDEO JOURNALIST JM RIEGER, BOTH WITH ME IN THE NEWSROOM. LIVE IN PHILADELPHIA, RHONDA COLVIN, SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT. RHONDA, WE START WITH YOU TONIGHT WHERE ALL THE ACTION ABOUT TO HAPPEN. GIVE US A SENSE OF THE LEVEL OF ANTICIPATION AND BUILD UP TO TONIGHT. >> Reporter: THE LEVEL OF ANTICIPATION IS HIGH. IT IS SUCH A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE FROM HOW IT FELT IN ATLANTA, IN THE JUNE ATLANTA DEBATE BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP. SURROGATES FROM BOTH SIDES HAVE ENTERED THE ROOM AND THAT IS A LITTLE IN THE SPIN ROOMS, THE SPIN USUALLY HAPPENS AFTER THAT DEBATE. BESIDES HAVE SENT MEMBERS OF THEIR CAMPAIGNS, AIDES, FOLKS WHO ARE CLOSE TO THE THINKING OF THESE CANDIDATES TO COME HERE AND TALK TO THE PRESS. FOR INSTANCE, I WAS JUST IN A PRESS GAGGLE WITH DOUG BERGEN, A FORMERAN GOVERNOR. HE PREDICTS TRWILL CHANGE MINDS TONIGHT. HE SAID THAT THE REAL FOCUS FOR TRUMP NEEDS TO BE ON ISSUES ON THE ECONOMY. I SPOKE TO A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN WHO SAID THEY ARE FEELING PRETTY GOOD. THEY KNOW THE MOMENTUM IS BEHIND THEM AND IT IS A REAL DIFFERENCE FROM THAT ATLANTA DEBATE. WHAT YOU CAN REALLY FEEL ROOM ANTICIPATION. WE ARE STILL AN OUT FROM EVEN T AT THIS DEBATE AND EV HAS A SENSE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE KNOW BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES, IN PULLING AND THE BATTLEGROUND ARE NECK AND NECK AND A DEBATE IS GOING TO MATTER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. EVERYONE IS LOCKED INTO THIS IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND SENT THE NERVOUSNESS. WE HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO IS WELL- FUNDED IN HARRIS AND YOU HAVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO HAS A FOLLOWING THAT IS, IT HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE. HE'S MORE POPULAR NOW THAN WHEN HE RAN IN 2016. THERE'S A LOT THAT COULD HAPPEN TONIGHT. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW IS EVERYONE HAS A SENSE OF NERVOUSNESS OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL THIS MEAN FOR THE REST OF THIS RACE. >> OUR CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, DAN BALZ , IS AT THE DEBATE IN PHILADELPHIA. I HOPE YOU ARE DUCKING OUT OF THE WAY OF ALL THE SPINNERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINING TO THREE HEIGHT WHAT IS ABOUT TO COME TONIGHT. YOU HAVE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT WHAT THESE CANDIDATES HAVE TO PROVE. WHAT DOES KAMALA HARRIS HAVE TO DO TONIGHT? >> IT HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR WHAT SHE HAS TO DO, WHICH IS CONTINUE TO INTRODUCE HERSELF, PERSUADE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HER OR KNOW HER VERY WELL, THAT SHE IS CAPABLE OF STEPPING INTO THE PRESIDENCY, THAT SHE HAS POSITIONS ON ISSUES THAT THEY AGREE WITH OR THEY UNDERSTAND, THAT SHE CAN EXPLAIN HOW SHE HAS SHIFTED FROM WHERE SHE WAS WHEN SHE RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2019 AND WHAT SHE HAS LEARNED ALONG THE WAY. SHE ALSO HAS TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THE RECORD OF THE ADMINISTRATION. SHE IS A CO-PARTNER WITH THE PRESIDENT IN THE POLICIES, THOSE THAT ARE POPULAR AND THOSE THAT ARE UNPOPULAR. THE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL PUSH HER ON THOSE AND SHE WILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT IS NOT AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK THAT SHE HAS BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE. AS RHONDA WAS TAKING, THE ANTICIPATION FOR THIS DEBATE IS ENORMOUSLY HIGH BECAUSE WE EXPECT THIS COULD BE THE ONLY FACE-OFF BETWEEN THESE TWO CANDIDATES. WE KNOW HOW CLOSE THE RACE IS AT THIS POINT AND WE KNOW THAT SOMETIMES A DEBATE CAN CHANGE THINGS. IN THE ATLANTA DEBATE, THAT CHANGED THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN. SHORT OF THAT, THESE DEBATES CAN MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE IN HOW PEOPLE PERCEIVE THE CANDIDATES. THERE'S A LOT ON THE LINE. >> DAN, STAY WITH US. I WANT TO BRING JAMES HOHMANN AND JM RIEGER INTO THE CONVERSATION. JAMES, WHAT DO THE CANDIDATES HAVE TO DO TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT HOW IT WENT? >> Reporter: BOTH SIDES WANT TO DEFINE KAMALA HARRIS. PEOPLE KNOW DONALD TRUMP. THIS IS THE EIGHTH TIME HE'S HAD A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. HE WAS PRESIDENT FOR FOUR YEARS. THERE ARE A LOT OF VOTERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE PREFORMED IMPRESSIONS OF HARRIS. FOR HARRIS, THAT MEANT INTRODUCING HERSELF, SHOWING NOT JUST AS A PROSECUTOR BUT AS A PRESIDENT WHO CAN BE READY ON DAY ONE. FOR DONALD TRUMP, IT IS PRESENT IN KAMALA HARRIS AS OUTSIDE THE MAINSTREAM, PORTRAYING HER AS LIBERAL, AS A FLIP FLOP OR AND AS SOMEONE WHO IS HURT OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. KAMALA HARRIS WANTS TO PRESENT HERSELF AS A CHANGE AGENT, DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO SAY YOU HAVE BEEN IN POWER, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS, WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THEM? THAT IS THE TENSION, IT IS A DEBATE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS. >> RHONDA SAID SOMETHING THAT IS SO RELEVANT. TRUMPETS SUPPORT IS ENDURING. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, HIS SUPPORT IS ENDURING. WHAT DOES HE HAVE AT STAKE TONIGHT? IS THE PRESSURE REALLY ON KAMALA HARRIS? >> THERE'S MORE PRESSURE ON HARRIS BUT THIS IS A HIGH- STAKES DEBATE FOR BOTH OF THEM AND WE SHOULD NOT DOWNPLAY THE STAKES FOR TRUMP. TRUMP COMES INTO THIS DEBATE AND THE BASE, THE TRUMP BASE ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH TO WIN IN NOVEMBER. AS MUCH AS TRUMP HAS BEEN PLAYING TO HIS BASE, AS MUCH AS HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO LAND AN ATTACK ON HARRIS THAT HAS STUCK SO FAR, THIS IS A DEBATE THAT WILL BE PROBABLY ONE OF HIS FEW OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THE MAP FOR HIMSELF BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. HE NEEDS TO MODERATE TOWARD THE CENTER ON SOME STUFF. HE NEEDS TO IN HER ON THE ECONOMY. A KEY QUESTION FOR TRUMP TONIGHT AS WELL IS WHAT DOES HE SAY ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH QUESTION THAT SQUARELY ON THE BALLOT. HE HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION, ON IVF. HOW HE TALKS ABOUT THAT IS SOMETHING I WILL BE WATCHING TONIGHT. >> DAN, YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT TRUMP IS OFTEN GRADED ON A CURVE IN DEBATE AND HE GETS CREDIT FOR HIS ABILITY TO DOMINATE, EVEN THOUGH HE MIGHT LIKE, HE MIGHT DISTORT REALITY. IS HE GRADED TO LOW? >> IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ATLANTA DEBATE, WOULD SAY HE WAS GRADED TO WHAT LOW BUT THAT IS BECAUSE THE STORY THAT NIGHT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S FALTERING, WEEK PERFORMANCE. IT IS NOT AS THEM DONALD TRUMP HAS A VERY STRONG NIGHT, IT WAS THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A VERY BAD NIGHT. I THINK THE OTHER IS THAT THERE IS A TENDENCY TO, ON THE PART OF SOME PEOPLE TO SAY WE HEARD THAT FROM TRUMP, WE KNOW BUT HE'S ABOUT. HE IS VERY, VERY WELL DEFINED. THERE IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT FOR HIM AS WELL. I THINK THAT AS, REALLY FROM THE TIME PRESIDENT BIDEN LEFT THE RACE AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS BECAME THE NOMINEE, WE HAVE SEEN DONALD TRUMP CERTAINLY NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO HIS BEST. BY BEST, I MEAN RATHER DISCIPLINED, FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES THAT HE WANTS TO BE FOCUSED ON. INSTEAD, WE HAVE SEEN A VERY UNDISCIPLINED DONALD TRUMP. WE HAVE SEEN SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T DELIVER A MESSAGE WITH ANY CONSISTENCY, WHO IS STILL LADEN WITH GRIEVANCES AND A SENSE OF VICTIMHOOD. I THINK THE QUESTION FOR HIM AND FOR THE ELECTORATE IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, IN THE END, IS GOING TO COST HIM SUPPORT? ARE THERE PEOPLE WHOM ARE READY TO SAY OKAY, IT IS TIME TO TURN THE PAGE FROM DONALD TRUMP? WE'VE GONE THROUGH EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OF THE TRUMP ERA AND IT IS TIME FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IF HARRIS CAN CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT SHE CAN DELIVER THAT, THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR DONALD TRUMP. >> DAN THANK YOU SUMMIT. AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP BEING GRADED TOO EASILY, NOT BEING GRADED TO LOW BUT BEING GRADED TO HIGH BECAUSE HE GETS AWAY WITH IT AND IT IS WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT OF HIM, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE LET DAN GO BACK TO THE FILING CENTER, HE POINTED OUT IN ONE OF HIS RECENT COLUMNS THAT TRUMP HAS HAD SOME VERY ERRATIC PERFORMANCES RECENTLY. JUST LAST WEEK, HE HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS A LOT MORE. HE HAS AN EVENT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NEWS CONFERENCE BUT HE WENT 50 MINUTES, HE RAMBLED, HE RANTED, HE PLAYED THE VICTIM AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. HE ALSO HAS AN ECONOMIC POLICY SPEECH THAT DID NOT MAKE MUCH SENSE, JAMES. >> HE BROUGHT UP A BUNCH OF UPDATED SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN ASKED ABOUT DURING THE SO-CALLED NEWS CONFERENCE WHERE HE DIDN'T TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, NOT SOMETHING A TRADITIONAL, DISCIPLINED CAMPAIGN WOULD WANT TO DO TO HIGHLIGHT REAL LIABILITIES FOR HIM. I THINK HE IS GRADED ON A CURVE. THE BIG QUESTION IS CAN TRUMP RESTRAIN HIMSELF TONIGHT? HE HAD PREPARED. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO PRETEND LIKE HE'S NOT TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY, HE'S GOING TO RIFF. >> THEY ARE SAYING HE'S NOT DOING DEBATE PREP. >> HE IS. HE HAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SITTING WITH HIM. THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING THROUGH ANSWERS. MATT GAETZ IS HEAVILY INVOLVED. TRUMP HAS READY TO PROSECUTE AN ARGUMENT AGAINST KAMALA HARRIS. DOES HE GO TOO FAR? DOES HE SAY SOMETHING OFFENSIVE ? DOES HE PLAY INTO HER HANDS? DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BUFFOON? THE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED WHEN THEY ARE NOT TALKING SO THERE WILL BE LESS CROSSTALK. THAT WORKED TO DONALD TRUMP'S ADMITTED THE FIRST DEBATE. IT WILL BE THERE AND SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES TRUMP SEEM SUBDUED? FRANKLY, HE WILL TRY TO GET A RISE OUT OF KAMALA HARRIS, HE WILL TRY TO GET HER OFF SCRIPT. HE ALWAYS IS GOING TO DO THAT. PART OF THE CHALLENGE FOR KAMALA HARRINOT TAKING THE BAIT. DOES SHE TAKE TRUMP'S EIGHT. >> LET'S GO BACK TO RHONDA COLVIN, WHO IS IN THE SPIN ROOM IN PHILADELPHIA. RHONDA. >> I AM WITH CONGRESSMAN GARCIA FROM CALIFORNIA, A DEMOCRAT FROM THE HOME STATE OF VICE PRESIDENT CONGRESSMAN, WE KNOW THAT HARRIS HAS DEBATED BEFORE. SHE HAS BEEN A PRIMARY CANDIDATE, SHE HAS BEEN A STATEWIDE CANDIDATE IN CALIFORNIA BUT SHE IS GOING UP AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, WHO IS A WILDCARD. HOW IS SHE GOING TO HANDLE THAT? >> I THINK IT IS TRUE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS, HAS A LOT MORE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE EXPERIENCET TRUE IS A PROSECUTOR. SHE HAS BEEN IN A LOT OF COURTROOMS, BUT IN THE . SHE HAS TAKEN ON A LOT OF, I BELIEVE, ARE SIMILAR TYPES OF FOLKS LIKE DONALD TRUMP IN HER CAREER AS A PROSECUTOR. I THINK SHE'S GOING TO DO REALLY WELL. ANOTHER THING THAT IS IMPORTANT IS HER JOB TONIGHT, ONE OF THEM, IS TO INTRODUCE HERSELF TO A LOT OF FOLKS. PEOPLE HAVE AN IMPRESSION OF WHO DONALD TRUMP IS. A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL NEED TO GET TO KNOW THE VICE PRESIDENT. TO CLIMB AND CLAIM. TONIGHT IS SUCH A GOOD MOMENT FOR THE COUNTRY TO GET TO KNOW THE KIND OF PERSON SHE IS. >> YOU ARE SEEKING REELECTION. FOR OTHER DEMOCRATS, HOW DO YOU VIEW THIS NIGHT? SHE HAS BEEN BRINGING MOMENTUM TO THE BALLOT RACES. ARE YOU WATCHING THIS AND THINKING, OKAY, IS SHE GOING TO HELP US OR IS SHE GOING TO HURT US TONIGHT? >> EVERYTHING THAT I HEAR FROM DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN TIGHT RACES IN CONGRESS ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS, HER CAMPAIGN, AND HAVE ALL THAT SHE HAS HELPED THE CAMPAIGN. WE ARE SEEING BETTER POLL NUMBERS, FUNDRAISING IS UP, GRASSROOTSHAS INCREASED , AND FOLKS ARE LEANING INTO HER CAMPAIGN. THEY WANT HER TO COME TO THEIR AREAS AND THEIR DISTRICTS. I THINK SHE HAS DONE NOTHING BUT HELP SENATE AND CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS SHE WINS THE PRESIDENCY. WE CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF THIS INSANITY THAT IS DONALD TRUMP. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT TONIGHT. >> TWO AREAS OF VULNERABILITY WILL BE QUESTIONS ON THE BORDER AND ALSO THE ISSUE OF FRACKING. THAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA, OF COURSE, BUT ALSO A PROXY ISSUE ON CLIM CHANGE. SHE HAS REVERSPOSITION OR SAID THAT SHEIS CHANGING THAT POSITION A LITTLE BIT. HOW DOES SHE HANDLE THOSE ISSUES WHEN THOSE ARE HER WEAK SPOTS QUESTION >> LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT HER POSITION ON FRACKING. SHE SUPPORTS FRACKING. IN 2019, SHE HAS SAID VERY CLEARLY GOING INTO THE 2020 CAMPAIGN THAT HER POSITION WAS TO SUSHE BELIEVES IN DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION AND THAT WHAT'S IMPORTANT. HER POSITION HAS BEEN THE SAME FOR FOUR YEARS. THAT HASN'T BEEN A CHANGE. AS IT RELATES TO IMMIGRATION, HAVING KNOWN HER FOR A LONG TIME, SHE BELIEVES IN TWO THINGS. ONE, SHE BELIEVES IN A STRONG, SECURE BORDER. SHE IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADER. SHE HAS ALWAYS BELIEVED IN A SECURE BORDER AND SHE ALSO BELIEVES THAT PEOPLE THATE HERE, THAT ARE AND ARE COMMITTED, THAT ARE HERE AND WORKING HARD, ALSO, SHOULD BE ABLE TO EARN A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP. SHE HAS SAID THAT IN HER DNC SPEECH SHE TALKED ABOUT HER SUPPORT FOR A SECURE BORDER. THAT IS WHERE MOST AMERICANS ARE. THEY WANT A HUMANE POLICY AT THE BORDER, VERSUS DONALD TRUMP, WHO CALLS FOLKS LIKE ME MURDERERS, "POISONING THE BLOOD OF THIS COUNTRY" AND DOESN'T RESPECT THE LATINO COMMUNITY. >> LAST QUESTION TO YOU. WE WERE TALKING OFF-CAMERA ABOUT HOW THIS FEELS LIKE A MOVIE THAT NO ONE KNOWS THE ENDING, WE WILL ALL LEARN IT TOGETHER. BEYOND TONIGHT, WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO DO TOMORROW MORNING AND IN THE WEEKS AHEAD TO KEEP THE MOUNTAIN, THE MOMENTUM UP? >> SHE WILL BE BARNSTORMING THE SWING STATES. SHE IS GOING TO HAVE SOME SEPTEMBER 11th RESPONSE ABILITIES AS VICE PRESIDENT AND THEN SHE IS GOING TO BE OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN ALONG WITH GOVERNOR TIM WALZ, THEY ARE GETTING WISCONSIN, COMING BACK TO PENNSYLVANIA. THEY WILL BE IN MICHIGAN. THEY WILL BE IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY WILL BE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY TALKING TO VOTERS AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING POSTDEBATE. >> CONGRESSMAN GARCIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. BACK TO YOU IN D.C. >> THANKS SO MUCH, RHONDA. YOU ARE WATCHING LIVE COVERAGE FROM THE WASHINGTON POST. WE WILL BE SEEING THE CANDIDATES TAKE TO THE STAGE AND ABOUT 45 MINUTES. JM RIEGER, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CANDIDATES NEED TO DO TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL NIGHT. WE HEARD ONE OF HER SURROGATES TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WANTING TO GET TO KNOW KAMALA HARRIS, WANTING TO GET TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER. WHAT DO THE POLLS TELL US ABOUT THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE COMING INTO TONIGHT? >> IF WE LOOK AT THE RECENT POLL THAT CAME OUT FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES", 30% OF REGISTERED VOTERS SAID THEY WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS. IT WAS ONLY 12% FOR TRUMP. TRUMP IS A BAKED IN KENNEDY. PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS. THAT IS WHY, IN SOME WAYS, THE STAKES ARE HIGHER FOR HARRIS TONIGHT BECAUSE THE KEY QUESTION IS WHO DEFINES HARRIS BETTER? HARRIS IS TRYING TO SET OUT HERSELF AS AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE, IF YOU WILL, TO TRUMP BECAUSE WE EXPECT THIS RACE TO BE NARROWLY DECIDED IN ABOUT SEVEN KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES, VERY SMALL MARGINS. WHAT CAN HARRIS DO TO PICK UP SOME OF THE UNDECIDED MODERATE VOTERS? WHAT DOES SHE SAY TONIGHT THAT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT STARTS TO BRING SOME OF THEM INTO THE FOLD? I THINK THAT IS ONE OF HER BIGGEST TASKS AND CHALLENGES TONIGHT. >> JAMES. >> IT IS VERY INTERESTING. THAT SAME "NEW YORK TIMES" SIENNA PULL SO VOTERS WANT ME TO CHANGE. 53% SAY TRUMP REPRESENTS MAJOR CHANGE, 25% SAID THAT OF HARRIS. SHE IS THE SITTING VICE PRESIDENT. SHE HAS WORKED REALLY HARD, INCLUDING DURING THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, TO PRESENT HERSELF AS SOMETHING NEW, THAT SHE'S GOING TO TURN THE PAGE ON A DECADE OF THE TRUMP ERA BUT ALSO SHE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN JOE BIDEN TEMPERAMENTALLY, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SUBSTANTIVELY. TONIGHT, SHE ASKED HIM CLAIM THAT MANTLE OF CHANGE BUT AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF YOU CAN'T REALLY BREAK UP WITH JOE BIDEN. HE'S STILL THE SITTING PRESIDENT, SHE'S STILL THE VICE PRESIDENT. SHE CAMPAIGNED WITH HIM IN PITTSBURGH LAST WEEK. >> THEY ARE BOTH KIND OF INCUMBENTS, THEY BOTH HAVE THE MANTLE, THE BURDEN AND THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING DONE THIS, REALLY. I WANT TO BRING IN NATIONAL POLITICS REPORTER, SABRINA RODRIGUEZ, JOINS US BY PHONE. SHE'S AT A WATCH PARTY IN PENNSYLVANIA AT SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH IN ABINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA. SABRINA, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT VIEWERS WANT TO LEARN TONIGHT. TELL US ABOUT WHO IS GATHERED AT THIS WATCH PARTY ARE AT. >> I AM EXCITED TO BE REPORTING FROM OUT IN THE WORLD AT A WATCH PARTY. WE HAVE ALREADY, THERE IS OVER 200 PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME OUT HERE TO A HISTORICALLY BLACK CHURCH, THE OLDEST IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY. THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC LEANING AREA. TALKING TO FOLKS HERE THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING A DEBATE TO WANT. THERE WAS THE OPEN QUESTION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT IF THERE WOULD BE A DEBATE, IF DONALD TRUMP WOULD ULTIMATELY NOT WANT TO DEBATE KAMALA HARRIS. PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THE SHOWDOWN LOOKED LIKE MISSY AND HOW SHE PRESENTS HERSELF. A LOT OF PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO HEAR ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HER CANDIDACY, SEEING WOMEN TONIGHT SPORTING HOWARD UNIVERSITY GEAR, HER ALMA MATER. REALLY, IT IS A QUESTION OF THE ENERGY IN THIS ELECTION. PEOPLE FEELING REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ABOUT HAVING THAT CHANGE IN A CANDIDATE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. BUT, IT IS REALLY, ULTIMATELY, THEY WANT TO SEE -- IT IS LESS ABOUT THE ISSUES. PEOPLE SORT OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS ON THE COURT ISSUES. THEY WANT TO SEE HOW SHE PRESENTS HERSELF, HOW SHE CARRIES HERSELF. THEY KNOW HER PROSECUTOR BACKGROUND. THEY WANT TO SEE IF SHE CAN DOMINATE THIS DEBATE AND IF SHE CAN PUT TRUMP IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION SINCE HE IS SO USED TO PROJECTING THE ALPHA MALE PERSONA. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE CROWDS ARE COMING SUPPORTING KAMALA HARRIS. WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING FOR IN TERMS OF PEOPLE CEMENTING OR SOLIDIFYING THEIR SUPPORT FOR HER, HOW MOTIVATED THEY ARE TO GET OUT TO THE POLLS? >> Reporter: IT I AM REALLY CURIOUS. SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'M HAVING, WE HAVE SEEN THE SHIFT FROM VOTERS, ESPECIALLY THIS GROUP OF VOTERS HAVING SPENT TIME IN PENNSYLVANIA TALKING TO BLACK VOTERS. THERE WAS THAT FEELING EARLIER THIS YEAR BEGRUDGINGLY COMING OUT TO VOTE. I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO VOTE, I WILL NOT TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. THEY WERE NOT AS EXCITED ABOUT HAVING JOE BIDEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET OR HAS DEMENTIA PATIENTS. HERE, WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE FEEL A LOT MORE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE MORE INFORMED THEY BECOME ON KAMALA HARRIS, THEY MORE ABLE THEY ARE TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND VOTE FOR HER. THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP ON A WEEKDAY NIGHT TO WATCH A DEBATE WATCH PARTY IS A VERY SPECIFIC KIND OF PERSON WHO HAS ALREADY, TO SOME DEGREE, ENGAGED IN POLITICS. I WAS TALKING TO THE PASTOR TONIGHT, WHO WAS TRYING TO HOST THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS BEING HELD ON A LAWN OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE OF A CLEARLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FORGET IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR KAMALA HARRIS, FORGET IF THERE ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF HIS CONGREGATION, IT IS JUST REALLY PEOPLE NEED THE INFORMATION. WE ARE 60 DAYS OUT, LESS THAN 60 DAYS AT THIS POINT. REALLY, IT IS THE POINT OF DRIVING HOME IF YOU ARE MAKING A CHOICE ON WHO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR, MAKE SURE IT IS AN INFORMED ONE. >> SABRINA RODRIGUEZ AT A WATCH PARTY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, SABRINA. SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PARAMETERS FOR TONIGHT AND WHAT WE EXPECT. IT IS 90 MINUTES. TALK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE RULES ARE SO CAREFULLY CRAFTED AND DESIGNED. EVERYONE HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THEM . WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW AS WE GET READY TO WATCH? >> NO STUDIO AUDIENCE. THERE WON'T BE PEOPLE CHEERING OR ONE SIDE LIKE AT THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES THAT HISTORICALLY HAS HOSTED OF THESE. NO OPENING STATEMENTS. THEY WILL GET RIGHT INTO IT. THERE WAS A COIN TOSS TO FIGURE OUT WHO WOULD GIVE THE CLOSING STATEMENT IN WHAT ORDER. TRUMP WON THE COIN TOSS AND ELECTED TO GET THE FINAL WORD. HE WILL GO LAST. WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS DURING THE DEBATE, INCLUDING ONE RIGHT BEFORE CLOSING STATEMENTS. AND, WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MUTE THE MICROPHONES WHEN SOMEONE IS NOT SPEAKING. THERE COULD BE SOME CROSS TALK PICKED UP. IT IS POSSIBLE THE PRODUCERS MAYBE LIFT THE MICROPHONES A LITTLE BIT. THEY HAVE SOME DISCRETION THERE. WE ALSO DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW MUCH EFFECTIVE CHECKING THERE WILL BE IN REAL TIME. ABC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR KLEIN HAS BEEN SITTING IN PUBLIC INTERVIEWS THAT THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DO SOME FACT CHECKING BUT THAT THEY WANT TO LET THE CANDIDATES DEBATE. IN THE FIRST DEBATE ON CNN, WE SAW JAKE TAPPER AND DANA BASH STAND BACK AND NOT JUMP IN WHEN TRUMP WAS MAKING OBVIOUSLY FALSE STATEMENTS, RELYING ON BIDEN TO DO THAT FACT CHECKING, WHICH HE DID NOT DO. >> GO AHEAD, JM. >> THAT IS THAT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HARRIS. IF HARRIS CAN STEP INTO THAT, IF THERE IS A VOID OF THE MODERATORS NOT AFFECT CHECKING TRUMP, WE EXPECT HIM TO GO OFF AND HAVE SOME MISSTATEMENTS, SOME FALSEHOODS TONIGHT AS HE DID IN THE FIRST DEBATE, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO GET A REBUTTAL IN ON FRIENDLY TERRAIN FOR HERSELF. THERE ARE TWO MINUTES FOR INITIAL RESPONSES, TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTALS AND A ONE MINUTE RESPONSE FOR CLARIFICATION, ADDITIONAL STATEMENT IF THE FORMAT. >> SOMETHING THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS THIS BIG DEBATE OVER WHETHER OR NOT THE MICROPHONES WOULD BE MUTED. IT IS LIKE THERE IS CHESS INTO THE THREE-DIMENSIONAL COMPLICATED JETS. THE DECISION WAS MADE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED. HOW ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT, MAKING EVERYONE CONSCIOUS OF OR THINKING ABOUT IF THEY UNMUTE TO THE MICROPHONES, IF THEY LET PEOPLE RESPOND, HOW MUCH EFFECTIVE CHECKING THEY DO? THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH SURROGATE CHATTER ABOUT ALL OF THIS THAT IT IS BOUND TO INFLUENCE THE MINDS OF THE MODERATORS AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTROL OF THE DEBATE. >> THERE IS WORKING THE REFS AND THERE'S PREPARING. THEY SET UP THE EXACT REPLICA OF THE STUDIO IN PITTSBURGH AND KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN DOING ALL THESE DEBATES AND REHEARSING FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. SHE HAS BEEN REHEARSING FOR IF THE MICROPHONE IS OPEN AND TRUMP IS YELLING AT HER AS WELL AS AS THE MICROPHONE ISN'T OPEN JUST IN CASE. ABC, YOU KNOW, IT IS WORKING THE REFS HAS BECOME COMMON IN THE TRUMP ERA AND TRUMP HAS BEEN ATTACKING A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT ABC WHO IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE NEWS EDITORIAL SIDE BECAUSE SHE IS A LONGTIME 25+ YEAR FRIEND OF KAMALA HARRIS AND SHE HAS HELD FUNDRAISERS FOR KAMALA HARRIS IN THE PAST BUT THE NETWORK HAS SAID SHE HAS NO ROLE IN PREPARING. TRUMP HAS BEEN ATTACKING GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, THE ANCHOR OF "GOOD MORNING AMERICA," WHO IS NOT MODERATING THE DEBATE. PART OF IT IS TRYING TO SCARE THE NETWORK INTO NOT SEEMING LIKE THEY ARE A PARTICIPANT IN THE GAME. >> THEY DON'T WANT TO COME DOWN TO THINK THEY ARE BEING OVERLY CRITICAL OF HIM. >> GANGING UP. HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT? IT IS ALWAYS HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE YOU CAN OVERDO IT. REMEMBER IN 2020, THE FIRST DEBATE, CHRIS WALLACE WAS MODERATING AND TRUMP JUST WENT ON AND ON AND ON AND THEN THE NEXT DEBATE, THEY TRIED TO GET TRUMP MORE UNDER CONTROL. WE WILL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. >> FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, I THINK DAVID MUIR IS MORE KNOWN BECAUSE HE IS THE MANAGING EDITOR OF ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT, THE MOST-WATCHED NETWORK NEWSCAST. LINSEY DAVIS IS A VETERAN OF ABC NEWS, THE ANCHOR OF ABC NEWS WORLD SUNDAY AND DOES BBC NEWS LIVE CRIME, WHICH IS ONLINE. SHE'S DONE TWO DEBATES DURING THE PRIMARIES WAY BACK. SHE'S HAD EXPERIENCE KNOWING HOW TO BE A MODERATOR IN THAT, IN THAT BIG HALL. THIS WAS BACK IN 2020 DURING THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY BUT SHE HAS BEEN ON A STAGE LIKE THIS BEFORE. WE WILL BE WATCHING TO SEE HOW THEY ASK RUSSIANS, WHERE THEY GO WITH THEIR QUESTIONS BUT ALSO HOW DONALD TRUMP IN PARTICULAR RESPONSE TO THEM AS THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE TO KEEP ORDER AND MAKE THINGS GO ON TIME AND HAPPEN. >> YOU MENTIONED DAVID MUIR HOST THE MOST POPULAR NEWS SHOW, 7.5 MILLION PEOPLE WATCH ON AVERAGE EVERY NIGHT. THAT IS LIKE THREE TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THE HIGHEST-RATED SHOWS ON MSNBC AND FOX NEWS. THEY DO HAVE A BIG AUDIENCE AND IT IS THE SORT OF AUDIENCE THAT THESE CANDIDATES ARE TRYING TO REACH. IT IS SIMULCAST EVERYWHERE. THESE, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT WORLD NEWS TONIGHT AREN'T NECESSARILY THE DIEHARD PEOPLE BUT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE NEWS AND THIS IS HAPPENING AS SABRINA SAID 60 DAYS, IT IS 56 DAYS, IT IS COMING UP FAST. EARLY VOTING STARTS IN PENNSYLVANIA NEXT WEEK. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE READY TO TUNE IN, MAKE UP THEIR MINDS AND 51 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED THE FIRST DEBATE. I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THAT NUMBER WASN'T HIGHER FOR THIS ONE. >> RHONDA IS IN THE CENTER OF IT ALL TONIGHT IN THE ACTION IN PHILADELPHIA, CLOSE BY TO WHERE THE DEBATE WILL HAPPEN LATER ON. RHONDA, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT A DIFFERENT MOMENT THIS IS THAN THE DEBATE BACK IN JUNE YOU WERE AT IN ATLANTA. I AM INTERESTED TO TRACK THE ENERGY OF THIS AFTERWARD TONIGHT AND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON HOW THE RESPONDED, HOW THE SURROGATES RESPOND. WHAT ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO SPIN, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO GET THE DECISION FOCUSED ON AHEAD OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT? >> Reporter: I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM REPUBLICANS, WHICH I MENTIONED THE REPORTER GAGGLE I WAS JUST IN WITH DOUG BURGUM, WAS THAT TRUMP SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY. THIS IS A REPUBLICAN TALKING POINT, THAT THE ECONOMY WAS BETTER UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. FOR A LOT OF AMERICANS, INFLATION IS A BIG DEAL AND A VOTING ISSUE. THAT IS THE STRATEGY I BELIEVE REPUBLICANS WANT TRUMP TO STICK TO PEER DEMOCRATS, OF COURSE, THINK KAMALA HARRIS IS BRINGING IN THE MOMENTUM SHE HAS HAD OF THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND SHE HAS BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. WE JUST HEARD FROM CONGRESSMAN GARCIA, WHO JUST SAID THE MOMENTUM IS BEHIND HER. I THINK EVERYONE IS IN A WAIT AND SEE MODE. THAT IS INTERESTING. NO ONE KNOWS HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. IF I WERE TO COMPARE BOTH DEBATES, THIS IS MY FOURTH IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE, I ATTENDED THE ONES IN THE PRIMARY DEBATE AS WELL WITH REPUBLICANS, THIS ROOM IS A VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THAT NERVOUS ANTICIPATION AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY HIGH STAKES. THIS DEBATE COULD MAKE OR BREAK A CANDIDATE, PERHAPS MORE SO FOR HARRIS, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING, SHE IS THE SOMEWHAT MORE UNKNOWN CANDIDATE. TRUMP IS A VERY KNOWN, PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM SUPPORT HIM IN AN UNDYING WAY AND IT IS FOR HARRIS TO INTRODUCE HERSELF ONCE AGAIN. WE SAW HOW WHEN WE COVERED THE DNC, SHE SPENT TIME IN HER SPEECH EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF HER BIOGRAPHY AND TALKING ABOUT HER POLICY BUT SHE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON POLICY. THAT IS WHAT THE DEBATE IS FOR. A LOT OF AMERICANS WILL BE TUNING IN TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HER STANCE ON THINGS. PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT SHE IS A LITTLE TOO LIBERAL FOR THEIR VOTE MAY BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW SHE COMES TO THE CENTER AND HOW SHE MIGHT REASSURE THEM ON THAT PART. OVERALL, RIGHT NOW, I THINK BOTH SIDES FEEL GOOD BUT IT IS A GOOD THAT THEY KNOW COULD BE SHORTSIGHTED. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN BY 10:00, 11:00 AT NIGHT TONIGHT. >> THANKS SO MUCH, RHONDA. LET'S BRING IN ASHLEY PARKER, A SENIOR NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT. YOU HAVE COVERED DONALD TRUMP FOR SO MANY YEARS. HOW DO YOU SEE THE DONALD TRUMP OF 2024 IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CANDIDATE OF 2016 OR EVEN 2020? >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. IN SOME WAYS, I SEE HIM, FRANKLY, AS FAIRLY SIMILAR IN THE BROAD STROKES, THAT HE IS OFTEN HIS OWN WORST ENEMY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT EACH CANDIDATE HAS TO DO WITH THE DEBATE TONIGHT, A LOT OF THE ANSWERS FOR WHAT DONALD TRUMP NEEDS TO DO HIS MAINTAIN SELF- CONTROL, BE DISCIPLINED FOR 90 MINUTES. NOT REMIND VOTERS OF EVERYTHING THEY DISLIKE ABOUT HIS CHARACTER AND HIS BEHAVIOR. THAT IS NOT SO DISSIMILAR FROM THE DONALD TRUMP OF 2016 OR 2020 . YOU KNOW, HE HAS A LOT AT STAKE THIS TIME. ONE VERY CLOSE AIDE TOLD ME THE REASON THEY THOUGHT HE WAS NOT GOING TO RUN THIS TIME MOTHER AIDE CLEARLY INCORRECT, WAS THIS IDEA THAT HE COULD LOSE ONCE AND DISMISS IT AS, FALSELY DISMISS IT AS THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN BUT HE COULD NOT HANDLE BEING A DOUBLE LOSER. HE IS NOW FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING BIGGER AND NOT JUST HIS POLITICAL LIFE BUT YOU NOW HAVE ALL THESE LEGAL CASES AND HIS LEGAL LIFE AND THOSE VERDICTS TIED UP IN THE OUTCOME OF NOVEMBER'S ELECTION. >> ASHLEY, AS I HAVE BEEN WATCHING HIM TWO SPEECHES LATELY , HE IS, TO BORROW A TRUMP PHRASE, HAS BEEN LOW-ENERGY. HE DID THIS ECONOMIC POLICY ADDRESS LAST WEEK, A PRESS CONFERENCE LAST WEEK AND THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LOT OF HE'S TALKING, KAMALA HARRIS ISN'T DOING AS MANY AS ASK ME ANYTHING MOMENTS, ALTHOUGH HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. HE IS 78 YEARS OLD AND THE MEDIA WAS SO FOCUSED ON BIDEN'S AGE PRIOR TO THIS, WHAT DO YOU NOTICE IN TERMS OF HIS STAMINA, FOCUS? WHAT ARE HIS PEOPLE TELLING YOU ABOUT HOW READY HE IS OR NOT FOR THIS MOMENT? >> THAT IS EXACTLY IT. TRUMP HIMSELF CREATED A BOX THAT MADE THE ELECTION A REFERENDUM ON PRESIDENT BIDEN ALSO ON PAGE AND PHYSICAL PERFORMANCES OF AGE AND STAMINA . IN A HEAD TO HEAD WITH JOE BIDEN, THAT SOMETHING DONALD TRUMP WON. IN A HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE PUT IT TO ME DONALD TRUMP CREATED THIS BOX, THIS SCHEMA, THIS FRAMEWORK, NOW IT DOESN'T FAVOR HIM THAT HE HAS TO LIVE WITH IT IN SOME WAYS, THAT MIGHT BE WHY WE SEE HIM TALKING SO NOSTALGICALLY AND LONGINGLY AND SEEMINGLY TO STILL WISHED AND SOMETIMES EVEN BEHAVING AS IF HIS CANDIDATE WAS JOE BIDEN AND NOT BIDEN'S VICE PRESIDENT, KAMALA HARRIS. >> YOU AND OUR COLLEAGUE JOSH DOSSEY LOOK AT WAYS TRUMP IS MAKING MONEY NOT FOR HIS CAMPAIGN BUT FOR HIMSELF AND FOR FOR PROFIT VENTURES THAT BENEFIT IN, DIGITAL TRADING CARDS, A BOOK OF PHOTOS OF JUST HIM, EVEN SELLING PIECES OF HIS SUIT. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO, WHY IS IT NOT GOING TO THE CAMPAIGN? >> Reporter: THE PURPOSE OF THIS, I WILL TAKE THAT QUESTION FIRST, IT IS TO ENRICH DONALD TRUMP. AGAIN, POST PRESIDENTS OFTEN EARN BIG BUCKS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM IN A COUPLE OF FAIRLY TRADITIONAL WAYS. THEY MAY WRITE A MEMOIR ADDING TO THE HISTORICAL RECORD. THEY MAY GIVE SPEECHES. THEY MAY EVEN SIT ON BOARDS OR START A FOUNDATION WHERE THEY EARN SOME MONEY. BUT, NO ONE HAS SO CLEARLY MONETIZED THE POST-PRESIDENCY AND THE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AS DONALD TRUMP. AGAIN, IT IS AN INTERESTING WAY TO BE SPENDING YOUR TIME IN A PRETTY CLOSE ELECTION JUST ABOUT 10, NOW SEVEN WEEKS FROM ELECTION DAY. DONALD TRUMP IS SOMEONE WHO HAS ALWAYS CARED ABOUT HIS BOTTOM LINE. IF THAT MEANS ATTACHING HIS NAME TO A BIBLE OR COMING UP WITH A GOLD TOPPED PAIR OF HIGHTOPS, HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT. >> THANKS SO MUCH, ASHLEY PARKER. SHE WILL BE WATCHING THE DEBATE TONIGHT, JOIN US FROM THE NEWSROOM. JAMES, DO VOTERS CARE? PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE TRUMP, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BAKED IN NUMBERS, THEY ARE TURNED OFF BY THINGS LIKE THIS BUT DO THE, SO, VOTERS WITH LARGE IS A BIG GENERAL BUCKET. DOES IT MATTER IN TERMS OF HIS SUPPORT AND ON THE MARGINS OF HIS SUPPORT IF HE DOES STUFF LIKE THIS IF HE DOES BEHAVE BOORISH LIOR IMMATURELY TONIGHT? WE HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE, HE HAS LOST WEIGHT AFTER DEBATE AFTER DEBATE IN TERMS OF THE METRICS THAT PEOPLE JUDGE WHO HAS WON OR LOST THE DEBATE. THEN HE HAS GONE ON TO WIN ELECTION SPEECH, HE HIMSELF HAS ACKNOWLEDGED PRIVATELY TO HIS AIDES THAT THE FIRST DEBATE IN 2020, WHEN HE HAD COVID-19 AND CAME AND HOT, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WORD, AND GOING OFF ON BIDEN AND RAMBLING AND INCOHERENT. TRUMP KNOWS HE LOST THAT DEBATE. HE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED TO STAFF I DON'T WANT TO LOSE A DEBATE LIKE THAT AGAIN AND THAT IS HOW THEY GET HIM TO PREPARE. SOMETIMES IT IS HARD TO GET INTO FOCUS. THIS IS A BASE ELECTION. TRUMP WILL GET HIS BASE OUT. WE ARE EXCITED TO VOTE FOR HIM. KAMALA HARRIS WILL GET HER BASE OUT. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE AND THERE ARE SOME CENTER-RIGHT REPUBLICANS, MITT ROMNEY REPUBLICANS, LIZ CHENEY HAVE ENDORSED KAMALA HARRIS. YOU THINK ABOUT VOTERS OF THAT PROFILE, OF THAT ILK AND THEY WANT TO SEE TRUMP AS A THRESHOLD TEST AND THAT IS WHERE THE BEHAVIOR TURNS PEOPLE OFF. DO I REALLY WANT FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS? >> DO THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE KAMALA HARRIS HAS A THRESHOLD TEST? >> THEY WANT TO SEE KAMALA HARRIS, SHE CAN BE PRESIDENT. IN THE OLD DAYS, YOU JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE BEER TEST. THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT IT IS ABOUT. WOULD YOU HAVE A BEER WITH EITHER OF THESE PEOPLE? IT IS CAN YOU SEE THE PERSON IN THE OVAL OFFICE, CAN YOU DEAL WITH THEM IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR FOUR YEARS? IT REALLY IS REMARKABLE HOW MUCH KAMALA HARRIS IS FAVORABILITY HAS SHOT UP SINCE BIDEN DROPPED OUT. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAS HAD A NEGATIVE IMPRESSION OF HER GAVE HER A SECOND LOOK AND ALSO COMPARED HER TO DONALD TRUMP AND VIEWED HER POSITIVELY AGAINST THAT COMPARISON. THERE ARE INDICATIONS THAT HAS SORT OF STALLED OUT AND IT IS A LEAD RACE NOW AND THERE ARE, IT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE AND IT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE IN THE STATES JM WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE MAYBE WATCHING OUR BROADCAST RIGHT NOW WHO ARE KIND OF LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. MAYBE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT BUT THE DOUBLE HATERS. OF THAT GROUP IS SMALLER. THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE EITHER OF THESE CANDIDATES. WHO WILL THEY END UP VOTING FOR? THE DEBATE COULD GO A LONG WAY IN DETERMINING THAT. I THINK IT IS GOING TO STAY CLOSE AFTER TONIGHT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE ARE EVENLY DIVIDED AS A COUNTRY. I THINK TRUMP COULD, COULD REPEL PEOPLE OR HE COULD SORT OF REASSURE SOME FOLKS WHO WANT TO VOTE FOR TRUMP. >> WE TALK ABOUT IT AS THOUGH IT IS AN EITHER OR. EITHER YOU SUPPORT TRUMP OR YOU SUPPORT HARRIS. YOU COULD SIT OUT, YOU COULD WRITE SOMEONE IN, WHICH WOULD BE THROWING OUT A FOOT IN TERMS OF THE TALLY OF THE TWO OF THEM. THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, NOT JUST I'M VOTING FOR HER, AND VOTING FOR HIM, JM. >> JAMES WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A BASE ELECTION. WE KNOW THAT DEMOCRATIC ENTHUSIASM IS THE HIGHEST IT HAS BEEN IN YEARS IN SOME CASES. GALLUP HAS IT HIGHER THAN OBAMA DEMOCRATIC ENTHUSIASM AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN 2008. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE HE HEARD COMING OUT OF THE CONVENTION THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, THIS TALK OF KENJI REVEALED THE OBAMA 2008 COALITION? I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE NEEDS TO EXACTLY DO THAT PART OF HOW OBAMA WON IN 2008 WAS PICKING UP SUBURBAN VOTERS, PICKING UP BLACK SUPPORT AND REALLY RUNNING THE TABLE WITH THAT. IF HARRIS CAN DO THAT, THAT PUTS HER IN A GOOD POSITION WITH HER BASE AND SEE IF SHE SPEAKS TO THAT TONIGHT. >> WE'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT TRUMP'S DEBATE STYLE. HE'S DONE MANY OF THESE. WE'VE ALSO SEEN THE KAMALA HARRIS DEBATE. LET'S LISTEN TO A MOMENT FROM HER 2020 VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AGAINST MIKE PENCE. >> THE VICE PRESIDENT IS THE HEAD OF THE TASK FORCE. AND YOU ON JANUARY 20th HOW SERIOUS THIS WAS. THANKS TO BOB WOODWARD, WE LEARNED THAT THEY KNEW ABOUT IT AND THEN, WHEN THAT WAS EXPOSED, THE VICE PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN ASKED, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ANYBODY? HE SAID BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WANTED PEOPLE TO REMAIN AT,. >> SUSAN, THIS IS IMPORTANT. >> SUSAN -- >> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, I AM SPEAKING. I AM SPEAKING. >> KAMALA HARRIS DEBATING BACK IN 2020. JOINING US FROM THE SPIN ROOM IS WHITE HOUSE REPORTER, CLEVE WOODSON. GREAT TO SEE YOU. TALK TO US ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS AND HER STRENGTHS AND CHALLENGES ON THE DEBATE STAGE. >> I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS DIDN'T SHOW THE REAL START OF THAT DEBATE, WHICH WAS THE FLY. AS WE, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IS WHAT SHE HAS DONE AND WHAT SHE HASN'T DONE. WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN HIS FIVE DAYS OF DEBATE PREP, A STAFFER DRESSED AS DONALD TRUMP, MIMICKING THE STUDIO SETTING AND THE STUDIO LIGHT. THAT SORT OF RAPIDFIRE, YOU KNOW, REAL-TIME QUESTIONING, VERBAL ASSAULT THAT IS GOING TO COME IN HER DIRECTION IN THIS DEBATE. SHE HAS NOT HAD A LOT. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING HER FOR SEVEN WEEKS NOW, SHE HASN'T HAD A LOT OF UNSCRIPTED MOMENTS. SHE SAID THAT INTERVIEW WITH DANA BASH BUT GETTING INTO A RHYTHM OR IS JUST KIND OF SEEING THE QUESTIONS COMING IN AND BEING ABLE TO HIT THEM OUT OF THE PARK, SHE HAS NOT HAD A LOT OF THAT. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH KAMALA HARRIS WE SEE. A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF HARRIS SUPPORTERS ARE HOPING WE SEE 2018 KAMALA HARRIS, THE ONE WHO MAKES JEFF SESSIONS NERVOUS OR WHO ASKS BRETT KAVANAUGH A STUMPER. THERE'S A LOT OF RISK FOR HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT AND THAT DOES. >> AS WE WATCH TONIGHT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF HOW SHE RESPONDS TO TRUMP AND HOW SHE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS, HOW SHE DOES A MIX OF PRESENTING HERSELF TO AMERICA? >> I THINK THAT TRUMP, RILEY THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT HAS BEEN TRYING TO ESTABLISH KAMALA HARRIS AS A LIGHTWEIGHT. SHE WAS CALLED A DEI CANDIDATE. SHE IS SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T WIN A SINGLE PRIMARY. I THINK THAT WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO DO, WHAT HER TEAM IS TRYING TO DO OR GET HER TO DO IS GET HER TO PROVE THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS -- >> THE SHOT JUST FROZE AND CAME BACK. >> I'M GOING TO TRY TO SQUEEZE IN ONE MORE THING BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR THE THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT SHOT. TRY AND GET THAT SHOT SORTED OUT. CLEVE WOOTSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH. HE HAS COVERED KAMALA HARRIS FOR SO LONG . THIS IS THIS MOMENT WHERE WE WILL SEE HOW MUCH SHE HAS MATURED AND CHANGED AND GROWN FROM BEING A SENATOR, GOT ELECTED THE SAME DAY THAT DONALD TRUMP GOT ELECTED IN 2016, SHE JOINED THE SENATE, HE TOOK THE WHITE HOUSE, AND SHE GETS ELEVATED TO THE VICE PRESIDENT THE AND SHE HAS HAD A LOT OF TIME TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE AND TO BE PART OF THE TEAM. HOW MUCH, JAMES, THAT'S SHE SEPARATE HERSELF FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND HOW MUCH DOES SHE HUNT IT? >> WHEN ANALOGY I HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO ARE ALLIES OF HARRIS IS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT WHAT GEORGE H.W. BUSH DID IN 1988. A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT OLDER VIEWERS WILL RECALL THAT BUSH PROMISED A KINDER, GENTLER AMERICA. HE TALKED ABOUT 1000 POINTS OF LIGHT. THAT WAS AN IMPLICIT CONTRAST WITH REAGAN AND THE EXCESSES OF THE 80s. WAS NEVER WENT THERE INSTEAD I DISAGREE WITH REAGAN ON X, WHY, INTO THE. IN THIS CASE, JOE BIDEN'S APPROVAL RATING HAS GONE UP SLIGHTLY SINCE HE GOT OUT OF THE RACE, WHICH BACKS UP WHAT WHITE HOUSE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT HOW BIDEN'S POLICIES WERE POPULAR, BIDEN HIMSELF WASN'T POPULAR. IT SORT OF, CLAIMING THE POPULAR POLICIES, SHOWING THAT YOU ARE NOT JOE BIDEN, WHICH IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE, I TALKED TO A TRUMP PERSON WHO HAS BEEN HELPING THEM PREPARE FOR THE DEBATE AND THEY ARE TEED UP IF KAMALA HARRIS IS ONE OF THOSE AM SPEAKING MOMENTS, DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO SAY YES, THAT IS WHAT YOU DO, YOU SPEAK, YOU TALK, YOU DON'T DO, YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS, I ACTUALLY DO, I DO THINGS. I THINK WE ARE UNLIKELY TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I THINK MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED BUT I EXPECT BOTH SIDES HAVE THESE ZINGERS SAVED UP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TRUMP AND HARRIS DO IS THEY HAVE CRUTCHES. THEY USE THE SAME LINES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. ALL POLITICIANS DO. THEY GIVE THEIR STUMP SPEECH AND SO THAT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OPPOSING CAMPAIGN, IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE HAS A GO TO LINE, TO PREPARE, IN ADVANCE, A SNAPPY REPARTEE. >> RHONDA IS IN PHILADELPHIA AND JOINS US NOW, A SLIGHT DELAY ON THE CONNECTION, RHONDA, BUT WE ARE THRILLED TO SEE YOU. AS THIS ALL GETS UNDERWAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE KEEPING SCORE OR WATCHING OR THINKING ABOUT WHO IS HAVING A GOOD NIGHT TONIGHT? >> THAT IS A REALLY HARD THING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE WE JUST, THERE ARE SO MANY UNKNOWNS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO WE HAVEN'T SEEN DEBATE AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HARRIS AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN TRUMP MANY TIMES BUT WE ALSO KNOW HE IS A BIT OF A WILD CARD. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN. I JUST HEARD, I BELIEVE IT WAS JAMES TALK ABOUT THE ONE-LINERS THAT BOTH SIDES MIGHT BE PREPARED WITH ONE-LINERS AND ZINGERS AND THEY ARE BOTH LIKELY VERY READY FOR THIS MATCHUP. THIS MORNING, I STUDIED SOME OF VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS'S PREVIOUS DEBATES. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE ONE SHE HAD WITH MIKE PENCE, I WENT FURTHER BACK AND LOOKED AT ONCE SHE HAD WHEN SHE RAN FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL IN CALIFORNIA. THERE ARE SOME CONSISTENCIES WITH HER. SHE USUALLY SEEMS VERY WELL- PREPARED, SHE ALMOST HAS A KNACK FOR KNOWING HOW THE QUESTION IS GOING TO END AND HOW TO ANSWER IT. YOU THINK ABOUT IT, SHE WAS A PROSECUTOR, SHE KNOWS HOW TO APPEAL TO JURIES. YOU COULD ARGUE THIS AUDIENCE TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY THE UNDECIDED VOTERS, ARE JURORS. SHE IS LIKELY GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAILOR A MESSAGE WHICH HE IS ABLE TO STRING THINGS TOGETHER VERY SIMPLY FOR AN AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND. SHE ALSO, AND THIS IS SORT OF A LIGHTHEARTED THING, YOU OFTEN SEE HER HAVE LIGHTHEARTED MOMENTS, WHERE SHE LAUGHS BUT THEN SHE WILL BE VERY SERIOUS AT THE NEXT TURN. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT IN THIS ELECTION ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SIGN, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE VOTING ON TONE. THEY DON'T LIKE THE TONE THE FORMER PRESIDENT BRINGS, THEY DON'T LIKE THE NEGATIVITY AND SHE AND ALSO HER RUNNING MATE, TIM WALZ, ARE FOLKS WHO SEEM TO BE VERY RELAXED AND HAVE A SPIRIT OF JOY. IF SHE CAN BRING THAT ACROSS TONIGHT, THAT MIGHT HELP HER AS SHE TRIES TO INTRODUCE HERSELF TO VOTERS WHO REALLY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER THE OTHER THING I WILL BE LISTENING OUT FOR IS THE BORDER ISSUE. THAT IS ONE THING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD AS A WEAK SPOT. SHE IS LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN HER STANCE ON THAT, ANY LAPSES THAT HAVE OCCURRED. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT NEW YORK TIMESéSIENNA POLL , IT SAID 66% OF AMERICANS ACROSS BOTH PARTIES BELIEVE SHE SHARES SOME OF THE BLAME FOR THE FAILURES AT THE BORDER. THAT MEANS THERE IS A BIG PART OF THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO HEAR MORE ON THAT ISSUE SPECIFICALLY WITH HER. THERE IS A LOT TO WATCH FOR TONIGHT. I'M SURE IN THE POST SHOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE ONE-LINERS AND THE WAYS THAT ONE SIDE WON OR ONE SIDE LOST. RIGHT NOW, WITH THIS RACE BEING SO STATIC, AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST THIS IS CERTAINLY A DEBATE TO WATCH. >> THANK YOU, RHONDA. I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE ISSUES. RHONDA LIFTED IN A GOOD SPOT WHERE WE CAN DIVE INTO THE ISSUES. FIRST, DOES WINNING A DEBATE MATTER OTHER THAN IN A DEBATE CLUB IN HIGH SCHOOL? HOW DO YOU COUCH WINNING A DEBATE? >> IT IS SORT OF BASICALLY A THRESHOLD. THERE IS KIND OF A WHITE KNUCKLE MENTALITY TO THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN. THEY FEEL LIKE IF THEY CAN GET THROUGH THIS AND NOT SCREW IT UP, IF SHE CAN NOT MAKE A MISTAKE. TRUMP'S ADVISORS FEEL THE SAME WAY. IF TRUMP IS A LITTLE BIT SUBDUED AND HITS A FEW OF HIS LINES AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TOTALLY WILD, THAT IT WON'T MEANINGFULLY CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE RACE AND THEN IT BECOMES A TURNOUT GAME WHERE BOTH SIDES FOCUS ON GETTING THEIR BASE OUT. THERE WILL BE POSTDEBATE POLLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT MATTERS A LOT LESS. ULTIMATELY, 51 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED THE FIRST DEBATE, IT IS THE VIRAL MOMENTS THAT END UP GETTING PLUCKED OUT. BOTH CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO GET VIRAL MOMENTS THAT WORK FOR THEM AND THEY WILL BE ABLE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A JOE BIDEN SITUATION, WHERE HE PAUSES AND SAID WE NEED MEDICARE. BOTH CANDIDATES WILL PROBABLY CLEAR THE THRESHOLD. THE QUESTION IS DOES ONE REALLY CLEARLY DOMINATE? YOU ARE RIGHT, I DID HIGH SCHOOL DEBATE AND THIS ISN'T, YOU DON'T WIN ON POINTS. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IN DEBATE WHEN YOU HAVE A LIST OF THE ARGUMENTS IN THE FLOW, THAT IS NOT WHAT A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS. I THINK SOMETIMES A TED CRUZ, WHO DID HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE DEBATE FORGETS THAT AND TRIES TO WIN ON THE FLOW, WIN ON THE POINTS. I THINK KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP INTUITIVELY KNOW IT IS ABOUT, IT IS LESS ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY AND MORE ABOUT HOW YOU MAKE PEOPLE FEEL COMING OUT OF IT. >> LIKE YOU SAID, YOU ARE COMPETING AGAINST THE EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE SET FOR YOU AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE SEEING SO MUCH EXPECTATION SETTING AHEAD OF THIS, PEOPLE LOWERING THEM, PEOPLE RAISING THEM, TRYING TO GET IN EVERY VIEWERS HEAD ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT. JM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANT ISSUES WE EXPECT TO HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT. WHAT WOULD YOU ASK THE CANDIDATES IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE, WHAT ISSUED WE WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE THE MODERATORS FOCUS ON? >> WE KNOW THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, FOREIGN POLICY, THOSE WILL COME UP. >> YOU WANT TO ASK FOUR QUESTIONS. >> I WANT TO ASK A MULTIPART GIANT WILLOW TREE OF A QUESTION. I AM CURIOUS HOW, WE KNOW THAT TRUMP OUT POLLS HARRIS ON ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION. HOW DOES HE TRY TO DEFINE HER ON THOSE AND WHAT IS HIS MESSAGE ON THOSE ISSUES? HOW DOES HARRIS COME BACK AT THAT? I DO THINK THAT THIS ISSUE OF REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH IS ONE THAT FLEW UNDER THE RADAR A LITTLE BIT IN 2022. THAT SWUNG THAT ELECTION OR WAS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN SWINGING THAT ELECTION TOWARD DEMOCRATS. THE RED WAVE NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? HOW DOES THAT ISSUE COME UP AND HOW DO THEY BOTH TALK ABOUT IT? TRUMP HAS NOT HAD A COHERENT MESSAGE ON THAT ISSUE. I DO THINK TRUMP IS THE ONLY MAN WHO HAS RUN AGAINST THE ONLY WOMEN CANDIDATES OF MAJOR PARTY, OF A MAJOR PARTY, RIGHT, AND TRUMP DOES HAVE A HISTORY OF BELITTLING WOMEN ON THE DEBATE STAGE. WE ALL REMEMBER THE FIRST REPUBLICAN PRIMARY DEBATE IN 2015, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ROSIE O'DONNELL THE DAY AFTER, WHERE HE WAS GOING AFTER MEGYN KELLY. HE CALLED HILLARY CLINTON A "NASTY WOMAN" TO HER FACE. >> HE MADE FUN OF HOW CARLY FIORINA LOOKS. >> LOOK AT THAT FACE, THAT WAS THE COMMENT. DOES THAT COME UP? DOES HARRIS BAIT HIM INTO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND DOES THAT BECOME A MOMENT? AS JAMES WAS TALKING ABOUT -- >> ONE OF THE MODERATORS IS ALSO A WOMAN AND A WOMAN OF COLOR. >> IT IS ABOUT MOMENTS. EVEN THAT 51 MILLION NUMBER, THAT IS LOWER THAN WHERE IT WAS, A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WAY LOWER THAN WHAT IT WAS IN 2020. I WILL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TUNING IN, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT VOTERS HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT OF THIS ELECTION SO FAR. IS THIS THE MOMENT WHERE FOLKS START TUNING BACK AND QUESTIONING >> RHONDA, LET'S START TALKING MORE ABOUT THE ISSUES HE WILL BE TUNED TO AND WHO YOU WILL BE FOCUSED ON IN TERMS OF RESPONSES AND HOW THE CANDIDATES ARE TRYING TO CLAIM ISSUES OR GAIN GROUND WITH ISSUES. >> I THINK JM LAID OUT REALLY WELL, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WILL BE FRONT AND CENTER. THAT IS AN AREA WE HAVE SEEN DEMOCRATS, SPECIFICALLY HARRIS, SINCE THAT WAS PART OF HER PORTFOLIO, SHE HAS VISITED ABORTION CLINICS, SHE HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF TALKING ABOUT AS A LEADING DEMOCRAT. WE HAVE HEARD DEMOCRATS DOWN BALLOT TALK ABOUT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND SOMETHING TO RUN ON. WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. I ALSO MENTIONED THE BORDER, THAT IS GOING TO BE KEY. I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS, GIVEN HOW HIGH PEOPLE ARE RANKING INFLATION INTO THE ECONOMY AS A VOTING ISSUE, THAT IS GOING TO TAKE CENTER STAGE TONIGHT. THOSE THREE WOULD BE THE THREE THINGS THAT I'M LISTENING OUT FOR. I AM ALSO LISTENING OUT FOR. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROLES AND THE MODERATORS ROLE, THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THESE MODERATORS THIS TIME AROUND, AND AFTER THE CNN DEBATE WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF CRITICISM AND TALK ABOUT SHOULD THE MODERATORS AFFECT CHECKED? WE KNOW OURSELVES AS WE HAVE COVERED THE FORMER PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT IS HARD TO FACT CHECK IN REAL- TIME. WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW THE MODERATORS HANDLE THAT. IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE JUNE DEBATE, THERE WERE MANY INSTANCES WHERE THE FORMER PRESIDENT SHARED LIENS, THINGS THAT HE SAID AND PUT OUT ON THE TABLE THAT BIDEN DID NOT COME BACK AT AND THE MODERATORS DIDN'T EITHER. THAT IS REALLY KEY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A BIG AGAINST TONIGHT, WHO, MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME, HEARING BOTH CANDIDATES ON THESE ISSUES. THE FACT CHECKING WILL BE KEY. I THINK THESE MODERATORS DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE TONIGHT, MORE SO THAN PERHAPS OTHER MODERATORS IN PAST CYCLES. >> JAMES. >> KAMALA HARRIS TOOK A LOT OF VERY LIBERAL POSITIONS IN 2019, WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION. SHE WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE LEFT OF BERNIE SANDERS, COMPETE FOR ELIZABETH WARREN VOTERS. SHE DROPPED OUT BEFORE THE FIRST VOTES WERE CAST BUT NOT BEFORE SHE STAKED OUT A SERIES OF POSITIONS THAT, THROUGH SPOKESPEOPLE, SHE HAS WALKED BACK. WE SAW IN HER FIRST JOINT INTERVIEW WITH TIM WALZ, WHERE SHE SAID THAT SHE CHANGED HER POSITION ON FRACKING AFTER BASICALLY SHE BECAME JOE BIDEN'S RUNNING MATE. CNN YESTERDAY PUBLISHED A STORY ABOUT AN ACLU QUESTIONNAIRE THAT HER CAMPAIGN FILLED OUT AND 2019 AND SHE TOOK A LOT OF VERY LIBERAL POSITIONS ABOUT BASICALLY DECRIMINALIZING DRUGS, REQUIRING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PAY FOR TRANSITION SURGERY FOR PEOPLE IN PRISON AND FOR MIGRANT WHO WERE DETAINED. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN DECLINED TO ENGAGE WHEN THEY WERE ASKED, DOES SHE STILL BELIEVE THESE THINGS? I THINK ONE OF THE TENSIONS FOR TRUMP IS DO YOU ATTACK HER AS A REALLY LIBERAL, SAN FRANCISCO, FAR LEFT, MICHAEL DUKAKIS STYLE LIBERAL? OR, DO YOU ATTACK HER IN THE JOHN KERRY MOLD OF SHE IS A FLIP-FLOP HER, SHE SAID A BUNCH OF THINGS IN 2019, NOW SHE IS SAYING A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS, SHE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE, SHE HAS NO CORE. I'M NOT SURE WHICH TYPE TRUMP WILL TAKE. HE PROBABLY TRY TO DO BOTH. THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SHE WILL HAVE TO NAVIGATE TONIGHT AND SHE'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED WITH A BUNCH OF POSITIONS THAT SHE TOOK FIVE YEARS AGO AND SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SAY, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A LINE TO WHICH SHE SAID IN THE CNN INTERVIEW, MY VALUES DIDN'T CHANGE, MY POSITIONS CHANGED. I KNOW DONALD TRUMP HAS A ZINGER READY TO GO FOR IF SHE REPEATS THAT LINE. >> SO, RHONDA, IF YOU ARE IN THE FINAL MOMENTS HERE PREPARING YOU ARE ONE OF THEM CAMPAIGN TEAM MEMBERS, WHAT DO YOU TELL THE CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW? WHAT ARE YOUR FINAL WORDS TO THEM BEFORE THEY TAKE THE STATE? >> OH MY GOODNESS, THAT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE A CAMPAIGN AIDE AT THIS STAGE. THE STRESS ALONE, OUR JOBS ARE STRESSFUL. IMAGINING WHAT THEY ARE TELLING THE CANDIDATES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT, WHO WE KNOW OFTEN GOES ROGUE FROM HIS CAMPAIGN AND WHAT THEY DESIRE FROM HIM. YOU ALSO HAVE HARRIS, WHO HAS POLITICAL INSTINCTS OF HER OWN. I AM NOT SURE WHAT THEIR AIDES ARE TELLING THEM. I THINK ANOTHER THING I AM WATCHING OUT FOR, THIS IS SOMETHING, SO SIMPLE, THESE TWO HAVE NEVER MET, THEY COULD NOT EVER BEEN IN THE SAME ROOM. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE JUST SEPARATED BY INCHES. IT, THAT ALONE, THE DYNAMICS THERE OF BEING FACE TO FACE OR SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE PERSON YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO PROVIDE A LOT OF OPTICS THAT, AND BODY LANGUAGE, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DISSECTING TOMORROW. BUT, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, I THINK BOTH CANDIDATES, ONE THING THEY LIKELY AGREE ON, THEY BOTH HAVE A LOT AT STAKE IN THE NEXT 90 MINUTES. >> RHONDA IS THERE WHERE IT IS ALL HAPPENING IN PHILADELPHIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK I AM TELLING THEM "DON'T TAKE THE BAIT, DON'T GET SUCKED IN." TO STAY IN CONTROL. >> I WOULD TELL BOTH OF THEM. EITHER ONE. IT APPLIES TO DONALD TRUMP, WHICH IS LIKE KAMALA HARRIS WILL TRY TO GET YOU RILED UP AND MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A BUFFOON, DON'T DO IT. SIMILAR, KAMALA HARRIS, YOU HAVE MESSAGES YOU HAVE TESTED, DON'T GO OFF SCRIPT. DON'T TAKE TRUMP'S BAIT AND GET INTO A FIGHT WITH HIM OVER, DON'T SEEM SMALL, TRY TO RISE ABOVE. WHAT I WOULD TELL KAMALA HARRIS IS YOU ARE NOT A PROSECUTOR HERE. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IN 2020, SHE DID HAVE TO BE THE ATTACK DOG VP . MAKE THE CASE AGAINST MIKE PENCE AND DONALD TRUMP. HERE, HER JOB IS TO MAKE THE CASE FOR HERSELF AND IT WILL BE TEMPTING TO LAY INTO TRUMP AND TALK ABOUT WHY SHE THINKS HE'S TERRIBLE. THE VOTERS HAVE A SENSE OF TRUMP. SHE NEEDS TO REASSURE THEM AND SHE NEEDS TO SHOW THEM SHE'S READY TO BE PRESIDENT. >> WHO CAN BE MORE FUTURE LOOKING? THAT IS WHAT VOTERS WANT TO HEAR. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS? THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS STUFF. IF TRUMP IS TALKING ELECTION TO NIHILISM, IF HARRIS IS TALKING STUFF FROM EARLY IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION OR HER PAST POSITIONS, IT IS A BAD SPOT TO BE IN. WHICH ONE IS BETTER AT POSITIONING THEMSELVES LOOKING FORWARD IS THE ONE WHO COMES AWAY WITH SOME BETTER TAKEAWAYS TONIGHT, IF YOU WILL. >> WE TALKED ABOUT ABORTION AND DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THE LAST WEEK ON THIS ISSUE. HE HAD ONE POSITION ON THE FLORIDA REFERENDUM, HE'S A FLORIDA VOTER, THAT WOULD UNDO THE STATES BAN ON ABORTION AFTER SIX WEEKS. HE FLIP-FLOPPED ON WHAT HE WOULD DO. >> IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS. >> NOT OVERTIME. HE SAID ON TRUTH SOCIAL THAT IS GOING TO BE GREAT FOR WOMEN AND THEIR REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH. HE CAN'T TURN OFF HIS OWN RACE OF ANTIABORTION ACTIVISTS AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER. IF HE DOESN'T OFFER A CLEAR ANSWER, IF HE IS MEALYMOUTHED, KAMALA HARRIS IS WELL- POSITIONED TO HIT HIM HARD. >> ONE MORE THING. DONALD TRUMP'S ABILITY TO ACCEPT THE ELECTION RESULTS AND THE CEMETERY RHETORIC HE HAS USED THAT HAS APPLIED HE WOULD GO AFTER, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH JAIL, CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, OPPONENTS, PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM, EVEN POLL WORKERS, THAT WILL BE CRUCIAL IN TERMS OF SETTING THE TONE. WE ARE HEADING TO PHILADELPHIA AND THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE SIMULCAST, STICK WITH US AFTERWARDS WITH THE WASHINGTON POST. THEIR FIRST FACE TO FACE MEETING EVER. >> THE HISTORIC RACE UPENDED WEEKS AGO, PRESIDENT BIDEN WITHDRAWING AFTER HIS LAST DEBATE. >> THE CANDIDATES, ESSENTIALLY TIED IN THE POLLS AND ASHLEY AND THE KEY BATTLEGROUNDS INCLUDING RIGHT HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA, ALL STILL VERY MUCH IN PLAY. THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE STARTS RIGHT NOW. >> KAMALA HARRIS, DONALD TRUMP, FACE-TO-FACE, HISTORIC. THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR TONIGHT'S ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE WELCOME VIEWERS WATCHING ON ABC AND AROUND THE WORLD. >> TONIGHT'S MEETING COULD BE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL EVENT OF THEIR CAMPAIGNS WITH ELECTION DAY LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AWAY, FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THIS IS HER FIRST DEBATE SINCE PRESIDENT BIDEN WITH TRUE FROM THE RACE ON JULY 21st, THAT FOLLOWED HIS DEBATE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP IN JUNE. >> THAT BRINGS US TO THE RULES OF TONIGHT'S EVENT. NO TOPICS OR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE CAMPAIGNS. THE CANDIDATES WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THIS IS THE CLOCK, THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL SEE, TWO-MINUTE FOR ABOUT BULLS -- REBUTTALS AND THEIR MICROPHONES WILL BE TURNED ON WHEN IT IS THEIR TIME TO SPEAK. THERE IS NO AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT IN THE HALL AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER. THIS IS AN INTIMATE SETTING FOR TWO CANDIDATES WHO HAVE NEVER MET. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP WON THE COIN TOSS. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS CHOSE THE PODIUM TO THE RIGHT. >> LET'S WELCOME THE CANDIDATES TO THE STAGE. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> WELCOME TO YOU BOTH, IT'S WONDERFUL AND AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU BOTH. >> WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A SPIRITED AND THOUGHTFUL DEBATE. SO LET'S GET STARTED. I WANT TO BEGIN WITH THE ISSUE THAT VOTERS SAY IS THEIR NUMBER 1 ISSUE AND THAT IS THE ECONOMY IN THE COST OF LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WERE ELECTED FOUR YEARS AGO AND YOUR OPPONENT OFTEN ASKED HIS SUPPORTERS, ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY, DO YOU BELIEVE AMERICANS ARE BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO? >> SO I WAS RAISED AS A MIDDLE- CLASS KID, AND I AM ACTUALLY THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STAGE WHO HAS A PLAN THAT IS ABOUT LIFTING UP THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA. I BELIEVE IN THE AMBITION, THE ASPIRATIONS, THE DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND THAT IS WHY I IMAGINE AND HAVE A PLAN TO BUILD WHAT I CALL AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOMES AND HOUSING, AND THE COST OF HOUSING IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE. WE KNOW YOUNG FAMILIES NEED SUPPORT TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN AND I INTEND ON EXTENDING A TAX CUT FOR THOSE FAMILIES OF $6000 WHICH IS THE LARGEST CHILD TAX CREDIT THAT WE'VE GIVEN IN A LONG TIME SO THAT THOSE YOUNG FAMILIES CAN AFFORD TO BUY A CRIB, BY A CAR SEAT, BY CLOSE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. MY PASSION, ONE OF THEM, IS SMALL BUSINESSES. MY MOTHER RAISED MY SISTER AND ME BUT THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO HELPED RAISE US AND WE CALL HER OUR SECOND MOTHER, SHE WAS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. MY PLAN IS TO GIVE A $50,000 TAX DEDUCTION TO START UP SMALL BUSINESSES, KNOWING THEY ARE PART OF THE BACKBONE OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY. MY OPPONENT ON THE OTHER HAND, HIS PLAN IS TO DO WHAT HE HAS DONE BEFORE WHICH IS TO PROVIDE A TAX CUT FOR BILLIONAIRES AND BIG CORPORATIONS, WHICH WILL RESULT IN $5 TRILLION TO AMERICA'S DEFICIT. MY OPPONENT HAS A PLAN THAT I CALLED THE TRUMP SALES TAX WHICH WOULD BE A 20% TAX ON EVERY DAY GOODS THAT YOU RELY ON TO GET THROUGH THE MONTH. ECONOMISTS HAVE SAID THAT THE TRUMP SALES TAX WOULD RESULT FROM MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES AND ABOUT $4000 MORE A YEAR, BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES AND HIS IDEAS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE THE BACKS OF MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE PAYING FOR TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> FOR SMALL, I HAVE NO SALES TAX, THAT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT AND SHE KNOWS THAT. WE ARE DOING TARIFFS ON OTHER COUNTRIES ANOTHER COUNTRIES ARE GOING TO AFTER 75 YEARS, PAY US BACK FOR ALL THAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE WORLD. AND THE TARIFF WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL IN SOME CASES. I TOOK IN BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS YOU KNOW FROM CHINA IN FACT THEY NEVER TOOK THE TARIFF OFF BECAUSE IT WAS SO MUCH MONEY THEY CAN'T. THEY WERE DESTROYED, THEY ARE TAKING IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM CHINA AND OTHER PLACES. WHEN I HAD IT, I HAD TARIFFS AND I HAD NO INFLATION. LOOK, WE'VE HAD A TERRIBLE ECONOMY BECAUSE INFLATION HAS, WHICH IS KNOWN AS A COUNTRY BUSTER, IT BREAKS UP COUNTRIES. WE HAVE INFLATION LIKE VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE, PROBABLY THE WORST IN OUR NATIONS HISTORY. WE WERE AT 21% OF THAT'S BEING GENEROUS BECAUSE MANY THINGS ARE 50, 60, 70, 80% HIGHER THAN THEY WERE A FEW YEARS AGO. THIS HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR PEOPLE AND ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY FROM PRISONS AND JAILS FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS AND INSANE ASYLUMS, AND THEY ARE COMING IN AND THEY ARE TAKING JOBS THAT ARE OCCUPIED RIGHT NOW BY AFRICAN AMERICANS AND HISPANICS, AND ALSO UNIONS, UNIONS WILL BE AFFECTED VERY SOON AND YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH TOWNS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. LOOK AT SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, AURORA, IN COLORADO, THEY ARE TAKING OVER THE TOWNS, THEY ARE TAKING OVER BUILDINGS, THEY ARE GOING IN VIOLENTLY. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE AND BIDEN LET INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. THEY ARE DANGEROUS, THEY ARE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CRIMINALITY AND WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT. WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT FAST. I CREATED ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. I'LL DO IT AGAIN AND EVEN BETTER. >> WE WILL GET TO IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY DURING THE DEBATE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LET VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS RESPOND ON THE ECONOMY. >> I WOULD LOVE TO. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP LEFT US. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST UNEMPLOYMENT SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST PUBLIC HEALTH EPIDEMIC IN A CENTURY. DONALD TRUMP LEFT US THE WORST ATTACK ON OUR DEMOCRACY SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CLEAN UP DONALD TRUMP'S MASS. WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT I INTEND TO DO IS BUILD ON WHAT WE KNOW ARE THE ASPIRATIONS IN THE HOPES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT I WILL TELL YOU ON THIS DEBATE TONIGHT, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE SAME OLD TIRED PLAYBOOK, A BUNCH OF LIES, GRIEVANCES, AND NAME- CALLING. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT, IS A DETAILED AND DANGEROUS PLAN CALLED PROJECT 2025 THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT INTENDS ON IMPLEMENTING IF HE WERE ELECTED AGAIN. I BELIEVE, VERY STRONGLY, THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF BRINGING US TOGETHER KNOWING WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US AND I PLEDGE TO YOU TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS. >> WE WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO RESPOND. >> NUMBER 1, AS YOU KNOW, AND SHE KNOWS I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PROJECT 2025. THAT IS OUT THERE. I HAVEN'T READ IT, I AM NOT GOING TO READ IT, PURPOSELY, THIS IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT GOT TOGETHER AND CAME UP WITH IDEAS, I GUESS SOME GOOD AND SOME BAD BUT IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M AN OPEN BOOK, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, CUT TAXES SUBSTANTIALLY AND CREATE A GREAT ECONOMY LIKE I DID BEFORE. WE HAVE THE GREATEST ECONOMY, WE GOT HIT WITH A PANDEMIC AND THE PANDEMIC WAS NOT SINCE 1917 WHERE 100 MILLION PEOPLE DIED, HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH THE PANDEMIC. WE HANDED THEM OVER A COUNTRY WHERE THE ECONOMY AND WHERE THE STOCK MARKET WAS HIGHER THAN IT WAS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC CAME IN. NOBODY'S EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. WE MADE VENTILATORS FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD. WE GOT GOWNS, WE GOT MASKS, WE DID THINGS THAT NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE AND PEOPLE GIVE ME CREDIT FOR REBUILDING THE MILITARY, AND THEY GIVE ME CREDIT FOR A LOT OF THINGS BUT NOT ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THE GREAT JOB WE DID WITH THE PANDEMIC BUT THE ONLY JOBS THEY GOT WERE BOUNCE BACK JOBS, IT BOUNCED BACK AND IT WENT TO THEIR BENEFIT BUT I WAS THE ONE THAT CREATED THEM. THEY KNOW IT AND SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE. >> SO, DONALD TRUMP HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS ECONOMIC PLAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICHEST PEOPLE. I AM OFFERING WHAT I DESCRIBED AS AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY, AND THE BEST ECONOMISTS IN OUR COUNTRY IF NOT THE WORLD HAVE REVIEWED OUR RELATIVE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. WHAT GOLDMAN SACHS HAS SAID IS THAT DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD MAKE THE ECONOMY WORSE AND MINE WOULD STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY. WHAT THE WHARTON SCHOOL HAS SAID IS DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD ACTUALLY EXPLODE THE DEFICIT. 16 NOBEL LAUREATES HAVE DESCRIBED HIS ECONOMIC PLAN AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD INCREASE INFLATION AND BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR, WOULD INVITE A RECESSION. YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE STAND ON THE ISSUES AND I WOULDN'T RIGHT YOU TO KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU BECAUSE HE IS MORE INTERESTED IN DEFENDING HIMSELF THAT HE IS IN LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. >> WHAT, I WENT TO THE WHARTON SCHOOL OF FINANCE AND MANY OF THOSE PROFESSORS, THEY THINK MY PLAN IS A BRILLIANT PLAN AND A GREAT PLAN, A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BRING UP OUR WORK, OUR VALUE AS A COUNTRY AND IT'LL MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO AND WORK AND CREATE JOBS AND CREATE A LOT OF GOOD, SOLID, MONEY FOR OUR COUNTRY, AND JUST TO FINISH OFF, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN, SHE COPIED TITANS PLAN, AND IT'S LIKE FOUR SENTENCES, LIKE RUN, SPOT RUN. FOUR SENTENCES, THAT ARE JUST OH, WE WILL TRY AND LOWER TAXES. SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN, TAKE A LOOK AT HER PLAN. SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. >> I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON SOMETHING YOU BOTH BROUGHT UP. THE TARIFFS, YOU RESPONDED AND LET'S DRILL DOWN BECAUSE YOUR PLAN SHE CALLS IT A NATIONAL SALES TAX. IT CALLS FOR TARIFFS ON FOREIGN IMPORTS ACROSS THE BOARD. YOU RECENTLY SAID YOU MIGHT DOUBLE YOUR PLAN IMPOSING TARIFFS UP TO 20%. AS YOU KNOW, MANY ECONOMISTS SAY THE COSTS WILL BE PASSED ONTO THE CONSUMER. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS ARGUED IT'LL BE HIGHER PRICE ON GAS, FOOD, CLOTHING, MEDICATION, ARGUING IT WILL COST THE TYPICAL FAMILY $4000 A YEAR. YOU THINK AMERICANS CAN AFFORD HIGHER PRICES BECAUSE OF TARIFFS? >> WHO'S GOING TO HAVE HIGHER PRICES IS CHINA AND ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPING US OFF FOR YEARS. I WAS THE ONLY PRESIDENT EVER, CHINA WAS PAYING US HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SO WERE OTHER COUNTRIES AND YOU KNOW, IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE THEM, THEY SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY CUT THE TARIFFS BUT THOSE TARIFFS ARE THERE, 3 1/2 YEARS UNDER THEIR ADMINISTRATION. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I HAD NO INFLATION, VIRTUALLY NO INFLATION, THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST INFLATION PERHAPS IN HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN A WORSE PERIOD OF TIME, PEOPLE CAN'T GO OUT AND BUY CEREAL OR BACON OR EGGS OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ARE ABSOLUTELY DYING WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THEY'VE DESTROYED THE ECONOMY AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT A POLE. THE POLLS SAY, 80, 85, EVEN 90% THAT THE TRUMP ECONOMY WAS GREAT AND THERE ECONOMY WAS TERRIBLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU HEARD WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID BECAUSE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DID KEEP A NUMBER OF THE TRUMP TARIFFS IN PLACE SO HOW DO YOU RESPOND? >> LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RESULTED IN A TRADE DEFICIT, ONE OF THE HIGHEST WE'VE EVER SEEN IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA. HE INVITED TRADE WARS, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIS DEAL WITH CHINA, WHAT HE ENDED UP DOING IS UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY, HE ENDED UP SELLING AMERICAN CHIPS TO CHINA, TO HELP THEM IMPROVE AND MODERNIZE THEIR MILITARY, BASICALLY SOLD US OUT WHEN A POLICY ABOUT CHINA SHOULD BE IN MAKING SURE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WINS THE COMPETITION FOR THE 21st CENTURY, WHICH MEANS FOCUSING ON THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT REQUIRES. FOCUSING ON RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR ALLIES, FOCUSING ON INVESTING IN AMERICAN-BASED TECHNOLOGIES SO THAT WE WIN THE RACE ON AI AND QUANTUM COMPUTING. FOCUSING ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT AMERICA'S WORKFORCE, SO THAT WE DON'T END UP ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK IN TERMS OF WORKERS RIGHTS. BUT WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS WITH COVID, IS HE ACTUALLY THANKED PRESIDENT SHE FOR WHAT HE DID DURING COVID, LOOK AT THAT TWEET. THANK YOU, WHEN WE KNOW THAT PRESIDENT XI WAS AS POSSIBLE FOR NOT GIVING US THE ORIGINS OF COVID. >> FIRST OF ALL, WE HARDLY MAKE SHIPS ANYMORE BECAUSE PHILOSOPHIES LIKE THEY HAVE, AND POLICIES LIKE THEY HAVE, I DON'T SEE HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NO POLICY. EVERYTHING THAT SHE BELIEVED THREE YEARS AGO AND FOR YEARS AGO IS OUT THE WINDOW. SHE'S GOING TO MY PHILOSOPHY NOW. IN FACT I WAS GOING TO SEND HER A MAGA HAT. IF SHE EVER GOT ELECTED SHE WOULD CHANGE IT. AND IT WILL BE THE END OF OUR COUNTRY. SHE'S A MARXIST, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. HER FATHER IS A MARXIST PROFESSOR IN ECONOMICS AND HE TAUGHT HER WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT SHE'S DONE TO OUR COUNTRY AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY, MONTHLY, WHERE IT'S I BELIEVE, 21 MILLION PEOPLE, NOT THE 15 THAT PEOPLE SAY AND I THINK IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN THE 21, THAT'S BIGGER THAN NEW YORK STATE, POURING IN, AND JUST LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR COUNTRY, THERE ARE CRIMINALS, MANY OF THEM COMING IN ARE CRIMINALS, AND THAT IS BAD FOR OUR ECONOMY, TOO. WE WILL TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION LATER. BAD IMMIGRATION IS THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO OUR ECONOMY. THEY HAVE AND SHE HAS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY WITH POLICY THAT IS INSANE. ALMOST POLICY THAT YOU WOULD SAY, THEY HAVE TO HATE OUR COUNTRY. >> LINDSAY. >> I WANT TO TURN TO THE ISSUE OF ABORTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU OFTEN TOUTED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO KILL ROE V WADE YESTERDAY. YOU SAID YOU WERE PROUD TO BE THE MOST PRO-LIFE PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE LAST MONTH YOU SAID YOUR ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE GREAT FOR WOMEN AND THEIR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND IN YOUR HOME STATE OF FLORIDA YOU SURPRISED MANY WITH REGARD TO HER SIX WEEK ABORTION BAN BECAUSE YOU INITIALLY SAID IT WAS TOO SHORT AND YOU SAID, I WILL BE VOTING THAT WE NEED MORE THAN SIX WEEKS BUT THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY, YOU REVERSED COURSE AND SAID YOU WOULD VOTE TO SUPPORT THE SIX WEEK BAND. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS SAID WOMEN SHOULD NOT TRUST YOU ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR POSITION SO MANY TIMES. THEREFORE, WHY SHOULD THEY TRUST YOU ? MARK >> THE REASON I'M DOING THE VOTE IS BECAUSE THE BOAT IS, THEY HAVE ABORTION IN THE NINTH MONTH AND THE EVEN HAVE A NEW CAN LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR OF WEST VIRGINIA, NOT THE CURRENT GOVERNOR, HE'S DOING IT EXCELLENT JOB AT THE GOVERNOR BEFORE HE SAID THE BABY WILL BE BORN AND WE WILL DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE BABY IN OTHER WORDS, WE WILL EXECUTE THE BABY AND THAT'S WHY I DID THAT BECAUSE THAT PREDOMINANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE RADICAL. THE DEMOCRATS ARE RADICAL IN THAT AND HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK WHICH I THINK IS A HORRIBLE PICK BY THE WAY, FOR OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE HE IS REALLY OUT OF IT, BUT HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK SAYS ABORTION IN THE NINTH MONTH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE. HE ALSO SAYS, EXECUTION AFTER BIRTH, EXECUTION, NO LONGER ABORTION BECAUSE THE BABY IS BORN, IS OKAY. AND THAT'S NOT OKAY WITH ME. HENCE THE VOTE. BUT WHAT I DID IS SOMETHING FOR 52 YEARS THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ROE V WADE INTO THE STATES. AND THROUGH THE GENIUS AND HEART AND STRENGTH OF SIX SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS FOR AND THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. RONALD REAGAN BELIEVED IT ALSO, 85% OF REPUBLICANS DO, EXCEPTIONS, VERY IMPORTANT BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT AND NOW STATES ARE VOTING ON IT AND FOR THE FIRST TIME , YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, LOOK, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART FOR 52 YEARS. EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR, EVERY DEMOCRAT, EVERY REPUBLICAN, LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, THEY ALL WANTED THIS ISSUE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE STATES WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN VOTE AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. NOW, OHIO, THE VOTE WAS SOMEWHAT LIBERAL, KANSAS, THE VOTE WAS SOMEWHAT LIBERAL. BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL STATE IS VOTING. IT'S A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, IT'S NOT TIED UP IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I DID A GREAT SERVICE IN DOING IT. IT TOOK COURAGE AND THE SUPREME COURT HAD GREAT COURAGE IN DOING IT AND I GIVE TREMENDOUS CREDIT TO THE SIX JUSTICES. >> THERE IS NO STATE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE IT'S LEGAL TO KILL A BABY AFTER IT'S BORN. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, I WANT TO GET YOUR RESPONSE. >> AS I SAID YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR A BUNCH OF LIES AND THAT'S NOT A SURPRISING FACT. LET'S UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE. DONALD TRUMP HAND SELECTED THREE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WITH THE INTENTION THAT THEY WOULD UNDO THE PRODUCTIONS OF ROE V WADE AND THEY DID EXACTLY AS HE INTENDED, AND NOW, IN OVER 20 STATES, THERE ARE TRUMP ABORTION BANS, WHICH MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR A DOCTOR OR NURSE TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE IN ONE STATE IT PROVIDES PRISON FOR LIFE, TRUMP ABORTION BANS THAT MAKE NO EXCEPTION EVEN FOR RAPE AND INCEST WHICH UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. A SURVIVOR OF A CRIME , IN VIOLATION TO THEIR BODY DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR BODY NEXT. THAT IS IMMORAL. AND ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR FAITH OR DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS TO AGREE THE GOVERNMENT AND DONALD TRUMP CERTAINLY, SHOULD NOT BE TELLING A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY. I HAVE TALKED WITH WOMEN AROUND OUR COUNTRY. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED? PREGNANT WOMEN, WHO WANT TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM, SUFFERING FROM A MISCARRIAGE, BEING DENIED CARE IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE THE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT GO TO JAIL AND SHE'S BLEEDING OUT IN A CAR IN THE PARKING LOT? SHE DIDN'T WANT THAT. HER HUSBAND DIDN'T WANT THAT. A 12 TO 13-YEAR-OLD SURVIVOR OF INCEST? BEING FORCED TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM? THEY DON'T WANT THAT. AND I PLEDGE TO YOU, WHEN CONGRESS PASSES A BILL TO PUT BACK IN PLACE THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V WADE AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IT WILL PROUDLY SIGN IT INTO LAW. BUT UNDERSTAND, IF DONALD TRUMP WERE TO BE REELECTED, HE WILL SIGN A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND UNDERSTANDING HIS PROJECT 2025, THERE WOULD BE A NATIONAL ABORTION MONITOR THAT WILL BE MONITORING YOUR PREGNANCIES AND YOUR MISCARRIAGES. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT CERTAIN FREEDOMS AND PARTICULARLY THE FREEDOM TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ONE'S OWN BODY SHOULD NOT BE MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT. >> WELL THERE SHE GOES AGAIN, IT'S A LIE. I'M NOT SIGNING A BAN AND THERE'S NO REASON TO SIGN A BAN BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS AND EVERYBODY ELSE, AND EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR WANTED TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE STATES, AND THE STATES ARE VOTING AND IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME, BUT FOR THE TWO YEARS, THIS ISSUE HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART, AND THEY HAVE WANTED IT BACK IN THE STATES AND I DID SOMETHING THAT NOBODY THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLE. THE STATES ARE NOW VOTING. WHAT SHE SAYS IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE, AND AS FAR AS THE ABORTION BAN, NO, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF AN ABORTION BAN BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THIS ISSUE HAS NOW BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE STATES. >> WOULD YOU VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN IF IT CAME? >> I WON'T HAVE TO, SHE SAID SHE WILL GO BACK TO CONGRESS, SHE WILL NEVER GET THE VOTE. ESPECIALLY NOW, WITH THE 50/50 IN BOTH, THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. SHE'S NOT GOING TO GET THE VOTE, SHE CAN GET THE VOTE, SHE WON'T EVEN COME CLOSE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF WHEN THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO GET STUDENT LOANS TERMINATED AND IT ENDED UP BEING A TOTAL CATASTROPHE. THE STUDENT LOANS, AND THEN, HER, I THINK PROBABLY HER BOSS, IF YOU, BOSS, HE SPENDS ALL OF HIS TIME ON THE BEACH BUT LOOK, HER BOSS WENT OUT AND SAID, WE WILL DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY, HE WENT OUT AND GOT REJECTED AGAIN BY THE SUPREME COURT, SO ALL THE STUDENTS GOT TAUNTED WITH THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE IDEA, AND HOW UNFAIR THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, PART OF THE REASON THEY LOST, TO THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD TO PAY OFF THEIR STUDENT LAWNS, THEY DIDN'T GET IT FOR FREE BUT IT'S THE SAME WAY THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT THEY TALK ABOUT ABORTION. >> IF I COULD GET A YES OR NO BECAUSE YOUR RUNNING MATE HAS SAID THAT YOU WOULD VETO IT IF IT DID COME TO YOUR DESK? >> I DID NOT DISCUSS IT WITH JD, IN ALL FAIRNESS, AND I, I DON'T MIND IF HE HAS A CERTAIN VIEW BUT I THINK HE WAS SPEAKING FOR ME BUT I REALLY DIDN'T. LUCKY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE SHE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO GET IT JUST LIKE SHE COULDN'T GET STUDENT LOANS, THEY DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO GETTING STUDENT LOANS. THEY TAUNTED YOUNG PEOPLE AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD LOANS. THEY COULD NEVER GET THIS APPROVED. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SHE SAYS ABOUT GOING TO CONGRESS. BUT THE FACT IS, FOR YEARS, THEY WANTED TO GET IT OUT OF CONGRESS AND OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE DID SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID COULDN'T BE DONE AND NOW, YOU HAVE A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE ON ABORTION. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, I WANT TO ASK, WOULD YOU SUPPORT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO AN ABORTION. >> I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT REINSTATING THE PROTECTIONS OF ROE V WADE AND AS YOU RIGHTLY MENTIONED, NOWHERE IN AMERICA IS A WOMAN CARRYING A PREGNANCY TO TERM AND ASKING FOR AN ABORTION. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING AND IT'S INSULTING TO THE WOMEN OF AMERICA. AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S ABORTION BANS . COUPLES, WHO PRAY AND DREAM OF HAVING A FAMILY ARE BEING DENIED IVF TREATMENTS. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY? WORKING PEOPLE, WORKING WOMEN, WHO ARE WORKING 1 TO 2 JOBS, WHO CAN BARELY AFFORD CHILDCARE AS IT IS, HAVE TO TRAVEL TO ANOTHER STATE, TO GET ON A PLANE, SITTING NEXT TO STRANGERS, TO GO AND GET THE HEALTHCARE SHE NEEDS, BARELY CAN AFFORD TO DO IT AND WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING HER THROUGH IS UNCONSCIONABLE. AND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA HAVE NOT, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HER OWN BODY AND THAT IS WHY, IN EVERY STATE WHERE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT IN RED AND BLUE STATES BOTH, THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA HAVE VOTED FOR FREEDOM. >> EXCUSE ME, I HAVE TO RESPOND. ANOTHER LIE. IT'S ANOTHER LIE. I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON IVF, WHICH IS FERTILIZATION. THE IVF, I HAVE BEEN A LEADER, IN FACT, WHEN THEY GOT A VERY NEGATIVE DECISION ON IVF FROM THE ALABAMA COURTS, I SAW THE PEOPLE OF ALABAMA AND THE LEGISLATURE, TWO DAYS LATER, THEY VOTED IT IN. I'VE BEEN A LEADER ON THAT. THEY KNOW THAT AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS IT. I'VE BEEN A LEADER ON FERTILIZATION, IVF. AND THE OTHER THING, THEY, YOU SHOULD ASK, WILL SHE ALLOW ABORTION IN THE EIGHTH MONTH, NINTH MONTH, SEVENTH MONTH? WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHY DON'T YOU ASK HER THAT QUESTION -- >> WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, WOULD YOU VETO -- >> YOU CAN DO ABORTIONS IN THE SEVENTH MONTH, THE EIGHTH MONTH, NINTH MONTH AND PROBABLY AFTER BIRTH. LOOK AT THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA. THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA SAID WE PUT THE BABY ASIDE AND THEN WE DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE BABY. >> WE WILL TURN OUT TO IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY. WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO VOTERS ACROSS THE BOARD IN THIS COUNTRY. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU WERE TASKED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN WITH GETTING TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF MIGRATION FROM CENTRAL AMERICA. WE KNOW THAT ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS REACHED A RECORD HIGH IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THIS PAST JUNE PRESIDENT BIDEN IMPOSED TOUGH NEW RESTRICTIONS AND WE KNOW THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY DID THE ADMINISTRATION WAIT UNTIL SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION TO ACT AND WOULD YOU HAVE DONE ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN ON THIS? >> I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STAGE YOU HAVE PROSECUTED TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR THE TRAFFICKING OF GUNS, DRUGS AND HUMAN BEINGS AND LET ME SAY THAT THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS INCLUDING SOME OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE CAME UP WITH A BORDER SECURITY BILL WHICH I SUPPORTED. AND THAT BILL WOULD HAVE PUT 1500 MORE BORDER AGENTS ON THE BORDER TO HELP THE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW OVER TIME, TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB. IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED US TO STEM THE FLOW OF FENTANYL COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. I KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES WATCHING TONIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY AFFECTED BY THE SURGE OF FINANCIAL IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT BILL, WOULD HAVE PUT MORE RESOURCES TO ALLOW US TO PROSECUTE TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR TRAFFICKING IN GUNS, DRUGS AND HUMAN BEINGS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BILL? DONALD TRUMP GOT ON THE PHONE AND CALLED UP SOME FOLKS IN CONGRESS AND SAID KILL THE BILL AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HE WOULD PREFER TO RUN ON A PROBLEM RATHER THAN FIXING A PROBLEM. AND UNDERSTAND, THIS COMES AT A TIME WHERE THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ACTUALLY NEED A LEADER, WHO ENGAGES IN SOLUTIONS AND WHO ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE PROBLEMS AT HAND. BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD PREFER TO RUN ON A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF FIXING A PROBLEM AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION A LOT TONIGHT EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT THE SUBJECT THAT'S BEING RAISED AND I WILL DO SOMETHING REALLY UNUSUAL AND I WILL INVITE YOU TO ATTEND ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S RALLIES BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING THING TO WATCH. YOU WILL SEE DURING THE COURSE OF HIS RALLIES, HE TALKS ABOUT EXTERNAL CHARACTERS LIKE HANNIBAL LECTOR, HE WILL TALK ABOUT WINDMILLS CAUSE CANCER, AND WHAT YOU WILL ALSO NOTICE IS THAT PEOPLE START LEAVING HIS RALLIES EARLY OUT OF EXHAUSTION AND BOREDOM. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE ONE THING YOU WILL NOT HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT IS YOU. YOU WILL NOT HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT YOUR NEEDS, YOUR DREAMS AND YOUR DESIRES. AND I'LL TELL YOU, I BELIEVE YOU DESERVE A PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY PUTS YOU FIRST AND I PLEDGE TO YOU THAT I WILL. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP ON THAT POINT -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. >> WHY DID YOU TRY TO KILL THE BILL THAT WOULD HAVE PUT THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL AGENTS -- >> FIRST LET'S RESPOND TO THE RALLIES. PEOPLE DON'T GO TO HER RALLIES, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO GO, SHE IS BUSTING THEM IN AND PAYING THEM TO BE THERE. AND SHOWING THEM IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT, SO SHE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. PEOPLE DON'T LEAVE MY RALLIES, WE HAVE THE BIGGEST RALLIES, MOST INCREDIBLE RALLIES IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS AND THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK. OUR COUNTRY IS BEING LOST. WE ARE A FAILING NATION AND IT HAPPENED 3 1/2 YEARS AGO, AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, YOU ARE GOING TO END UP IN WORLD WAR III TO GO INTO ANOTHER SUBJECT, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO OUR COUNTRY BY ALLOWING THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY AND LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE TOWNS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. AND A LOT OF TOWNS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT, IT WON'T BE AURORA OR SPRINGFIELD. A LOT OF TOWNS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMBARRASSED BY IT. IN SPRINGFIELD, THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN, THEY ARE EATING THE CATS. THEY ARE EATING THE PETS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. AND THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S A SHAME. AS FAR AS RALLIES ARE CONCERNED, AS FAR AS, THE REASON THEY GO IS THEY LIKE WHAT I SAY. THEY WANT TO BRING OUR COUNTRY BACK. THEY WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. IT'S A SIMPLE PHRASE. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. SHE'S DESTROYING THE COUNTRY AND IF SHE BECOMES PRESIDENT, THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE OF SUCCESS. NOT ONLY SUCCESS, WE WILL END UP BEING VENEZUELA ON STEROIDS. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU BRING UP SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, AND ABC NEWS DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE TOLD US THERE HAVE BEEN NO CREDIBLE REPORTS OF SPECIFIC CLAIMS OF PETS BEING HARMED OR INJURED OR ABUSED WITHIN THE IMMIGRANT -- >> I'VE SEEN IT ON TELEVISION. THEY SAY MY DOG WAS TAKEN AND USED FOR FOOD, SO MAYBE HE SAID THAT AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD THING TO SAY FOR A CITY MANAGER -- >> I'M NOT TAKING THIS FROM TELEVISION. >> THEY SAY MY DOG WAS EATEN BY THE PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, I WILL LET YOU RESPOND TO THE REST. >> TALK ABOUT EXTREME. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, IN THIS ELECTION, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF 200 REPUBLICANS, WHO HAVE FORMERLY WORKED WITH BUSH, ROMNEY AND JOHN McCAIN, INCLUDING THE ENDORSEMENT OF FORMER VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY AND CONGRESS MEMBER LIZ CHENEY. AND IF YOU WANT TO REALLY KNOW THE INSIDE TRACK ON WHO THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS, IF HE DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR ALREADY, ASK PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH HIM. HIS FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, A FOUR-STAR GENERAL HAS SAID THAT HE HAS CONTEMPT FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. HIS FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAID THAT HE IS DANGEROUS AND UNFIT. HIS FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAS SAID THAT NATION, WOULD NEVER SURVIVE ANOTHER TRUMP TERM. AND WHEN WE LISTEN TO THIS KIND OF RHETORIC, WHEN THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED. I THINK THE CHOICE IS CLEAR IN THE ELECTION. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> YEAH, THANK YOU, BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR THAT, SEE I'M A DIFFERENT KIND OF A PERSON. I FIRED MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE. NOT SO GRACIOUSLY, THEY DID BAD THINGS OR BAD JOB AND I FIRED THEM. THEY NEVER FIRED ONE PERSON. THEY DIDN'T FIRE ANYBODY HAVING TO DO WITH AFGHANISTAN AND THE TALIBAN AND THE 13 PEOPLE WHO, WHO WERE KILLED VICIOUSLY AND VIOLENTLY KILLED AND I GOT TO KNOW THE PARENTS AND THE FAMILY. THEY SHOULD HAVE FIRED ALL OF THOSE GENERALS, ALL OF THE TOP PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST INCOMPETENTLY HANDLED SITUATIONS ANYBODY HAS EVER SEEN. SO, WHEN SOMEBODY DOES A BAD JOB, I FIRED THEM. AND YOU TAKE A GUY LIKE ESPER, HE WAS NO GOOD, I FIRED HIM AND HE WRITES A BOOK. BUT THEY HAVE DONE SUCH A POOR JOB, AND THEY NEVER FIRE ANYBODY. LOOK AT THE ECONOMY, LOOK AT THE INFLATION. THEY DIDN'T FIRE ANY OF THEIR ECONOMIST, THEY HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE. THAT IS A GOOD WAY NOT TO HAVE BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT YOU BUT JUST TO FINISH, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANY REPUBLICAN IN HISTORY, BY FAR. IN FACT, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANY PRESIDENT, SITTING PRESIDENT IN HISTORY, BY FAR. >> LET ME CONTINUE ON IMMIGRATION. LET'S GET BACK TO YOUR DEPORTATION OR POSTAL THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS REACTED TO AS WELL. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU CALLED THIS THE LARGEST DOMESTIC DEPORTATION OPERATION AND YOU SAY YOU WOULD USE THE NATIONAL GUARD, YOU ALSO SAID YOU WOULD USE LOCAL POLICE. HOW WOULD YOU DEPORT 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS. I KNOW YOU BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS MUCH HIGHER. WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE AND WILL AUTHORITIES BE GOING DOOR TO DOOR IN THE COUNTRY? >> IT IS MUCH HIGHER, BECAUSE OF THEM, THEY ALLOWED CRIMINALS, MANY MILLIONS OF CRIMINALS. THEY ALLOWED TERRORISTS, THEY ALLOWED COMMON STREET CRIMINALS, THEY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO COME IN, DRUG DEALERS TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE NOW IN THE UNITED STATES AND TOLD BY THEIR COUNTRIES LIKE VENEZUELA, DON'T EVER COME BACK OR WE ARE GOING TO KILL YOU. DO YOU KNOW CRIME IN VENEZUELA AND CRIME IN COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD IS WAY DOWN, YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN THEIR CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND THEY'VE GIVEN THEM TO HER TO PUT INTO OUR COUNTRY. AND THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST MISTAKES IN THE HISTORY, FOR THEM TO ALLOW, AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY DID IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET VOTES BUT IT'S NOT WORTH IT. BECAUSE THEY ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY BY WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING DONE LIKE THIS AT ALL. THEY'VE DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LET IN, AND ALL OVER THE WORLD, CRIME IS DOWN, ALL OVER THE WORLD EXCEPT HERE. CRIME IS UP AND THROUGH THE ROOF DESPITE THEIR FRAUDULENT STATEMENTS THAT THEY MADE, CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY IS THROUGH THE ROOF AND WE HAVE A NEW FORM OF CRIME AND IS CALLED MIGRANT CRIME AND IT'S HAPPENING AT LEVELS THAT NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE. >> AS YOU KNOW THE FBI SAID OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME IS ACTUALLY COMING DOWN IN THIS COUNTRY -- >> THE FBI, THEY WERE DEFRAUDING STATEMENTS. THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE WORST CITIES AND THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE CITIES WITH THE WORST CRIME. IT WAS A FRAUD, JUST LIKE THEIR NUMBER OF 818,000 JOBS THAT THEY SAID THEY CREATED, TURNED OUT TO BE A FRAUD. >> I THINK THIS IS SO RICH, COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN PROSECUTED FOR NATIONAL SECURITY CRIMES, ECONOMIC CRIMES, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, HAS BEEN FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND HIS NEXT BIG COURT APPEARANCE IS IN NOVEMBER AT HIS OWN CRIMINAL SENTENCING. AND LET'S BE CLEAR WHERE EACH PERSON STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT CALLED FOR D FUNDING FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT 45,000 AGENTS, GET THIS, ON THE DAY AFTER HE WAS ARRAIGNED ON 34 FELONY COUNTS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS RACE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WE TURN THE PAGE ON THIS SAME OLD TIRED RHETORIC AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ADDRESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE WHICH I HAVE A PLAN FOR. ADDRESS WHAT WE MUST DO TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. ADDRESS RINGING DOWN THE PRICE OF GROCERIES. BUT FRANKLY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXHAUSTED WITH THE SAME OLD TIRED PLAYBOOK. >> EXCUSE ME. EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES WAS STARTED BY THEM AGAINST THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENT. AND I'M WINNING MOST OF THEM AND I WILL WIN THE REST ON APPEAL AND YOU SAW THAT WITH THE DECISION THAT CAME DOWN RECENTLY FROM THE SUPREME COURT. I'M WINNING MOST OF THEM BUT THOSE ARE CASES, IT'S CALLED WEAPONIZATION, NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY WEAPONIZED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES WAS INVOLVED WITH THE DOJ FROM ATLANTA AND FANI WILLIS, TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF NEW YORK AND THE DA IN NEW YORK. EVERYONE OF THOSE CASES, AND THEN THEY SAY, OH, HE'S A CRIMINAL. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MADE THEM GO AFTER ME BY THE WAY, JOE BIDEN WAS FOUND ESSENTIALLY GUILTY ON THE DOCUMENTS CASE AND WHAT HAPPENED IN MY CASE? THEY SAID OH THAT'S THE TOUGHEST OF THEM ALL. A COMPLETE AND TOTAL VICTORY, TWO MONTHS AGO IT WAS THROWN OUT. IT IS WEAPONIZATION AND THEY USED IT AND IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY USED IT TO TRY AND WIN AN ELECTION. FAKE CASES. >> A REALLY QUICK RESPONSE ON THIS NOTION OF WEAPONIZATION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT EXTREME AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THIS ELECTION IN 2024 IS TAKING PLACE. THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RECENTLY RULED THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE IMMUNE FROM ANY MISCONDUCT IF HE WERE TO ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN. UNDERSTAND, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS OPENLY SAID HE WOULD TERMINATE I'M QUOTING, TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT HE WOULD WEAPONIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES. SOMEONE WHO HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED DISDAIN FOR MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY, UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF DONALD TRUMP WERE BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH NO GUARDRAILS, BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE KNOW, NOW THE COURT WON'T STOP THEM, WE KNOW JD VANCE ISN'T GOING TO STOP HIM. IT'S UP TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO STOP HIM. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN YOUR LAST -- >> THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WEAPONIZED, NOT ME. I PROBABLY TOOK A BULLET TO THE HEAD BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THEY SAY ABOUT ME. THEY TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY, I'M A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY, THEY ARE THE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA INVESTIGATION THAT WENT NOWHERE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRISON YOUR LAST RUN FOR PRESIDENT YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO BAN FRACKING AND NOW YOU DON'T. YOU WANTED EDITORIAL BUYBACK PROGRAMS FOR ASSAULT WEAPONS AND NOW THE CAMPAIGN SAYS YOU DON'T. YOU SUPPORTED DECRIMINALIZING BORDER CROSSINGS AND NOW YOU ARE TAKING A HARDER LINE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOUR VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED SO WHY HAVE SO MANY OF YOUR POLICY POSITIONS CHANGED? >> I WILL DISCUSS EVERY POINT THAT YOU'VE MADE BUT IN PARTICULAR, LET'S TALK ABOUT FRACKING BECAUSE WE ARE IN PENNSYLVANIA. I MADE IT CLEAR IN 2020 I WILL NOT BAN FRACKING. I HAVE NOT BAN FRACKING AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND IN FACT, I WAS THE TIE- BREAKING VOTE ON THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, WHICH OPENED NEW LEASES FOR FRACKING. MY POSITION IS THAT WE HAVE GOT TO INVEST IN DIVERSE SOURCES OF ENERGY SO WE REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON FOREIGN OIL. WE HAVE HAVE THE LARGEST INCREASE IN DOMESTIC OIL PRODUCTION IN HISTORY BECAUSE OF AN APPROACH THAT RECOGNIZES THAT WE CANNOT OVER RELY ON FOREIGN OIL. AS IT RELATES TO MY VALUES, I GREW UP A MIDDLE-CLASS KID RAISED BY A HARD-WORKING MOTHER, WHO WORKED AND SAVED AND WAS ABLE TO BUY OUR FIRST HOME WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER. THE VALUES I BRING TO THE IMPORTANCE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP KNOWING NOT EVERYBODY GOT HANDED $400 MILLION ON A SILVER PLATTER AND THEN FILED BANKRUPTCY SIX TIMES, THAT'S A VALUE THAT I BRING TO MY WORK TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND HOMEBUILDERS TO INCREASE 3 MILLION HOMES AND INCREASE BY 3 MILLION HOMES BY THE END OF MY FIRST TERM. MY WORK THAT IS RELATED TO HAVING A FRIEND WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY HER STEPFATHER AND MY FOCUS THEN ON PROTECTING WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM VIOLENT CRIMES IS BASED ON A VALUE THAT IS DEEPLY GROUNDED IN THE IMPORTANCE OF STANDING UP FOR THOSE WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE. MY WORK IS ABOUT PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE AND BASED ON LONG-STANDING WORK THAT I'VE DONE, PROTECTING SENIORS FROM SCAMS. MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED. AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE IS A PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY BRINGS VALUES AND A PERSPECTIVE THAT IS ABOUT LIFTING PEOPLE UP AND NOT BEATING PEOPLE DOWN. AND NAME-CALLING, THE TRUE MEASURE OF THE LEADER IS THE LEADER WHO ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THE STRENGTH IS NOT IN BEATING PEOPLE DOWN, IT'S IN LIFTING PEOPLE UP. I INTEND TO BE THAT PRESIDENT. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WASN'T GIVEN $400 MILLION, I WISH I WAS. MY FATHER WAS A BROOKLYN BUILDER AND A GREAT FATHER AND I LEARNED A LOT BUT I WAS GIVEN A FRACTION OF THAT, A TINY FRACTION AND I BUILT IT INTO MANY MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. MANY BILLIONS OF PEOPLE SAY -- SEE IF THEY ARE SURPRISED. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. FRACKING, SHE'S BEEN AGAINST IT FOR 12 YEARS, DEFUND THE POLICE, SHE'S BEEN AGAINST THAT FOREVER. SHE GAVE ALL THAT STUFF UP, VERY WRONGLY, VERY HORRIBLY, AND EVERYBODY IS LAUGHING AT IT, OKAY, THEY ARE ALL LAUGHING AT IT. SHE GAVE UP AT LEAST 12 AND PROBABLY 14 TO 15 DIFFERENT POLICIES LIKE SHE WAS BIG ON DEFUND THE POLICE. IN MINNESOTA, SHE WENT OUT, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M TALKING NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? SHE WENT OUT, SHE WENT OUT IN MINNESOTA, AND WANTED TO LET CRIMINALS THAT KILLED PEOPLE, THAT TURNED DOWN MINNEAPOLIS, SHE WENT OUT AND RAISED MONEY TO GET THEM OUT OF JAIL. SHE DID THINGS THAT NOBODY WOULD EVER THINK OF AND NOW SHE WANTS TO DO TRANSGENDER OPERATIONS ON ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT ARE IN PRISON. THIS IS A RADICAL LEFT LIBERAL THAT WOULD DO THIS. SHE WANTS TO CONFISCATE YOUR GUNS AND SHE WILL NEVER ALLOW FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA. IF SHE WON THE ELECTION, FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA WILL AND ON DAY ONE, JUST TO FINISH ONE THING, SO IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION. SO, I GOT THE OIL BUSINESS GOING LIKE NOBODY'S EVER DONE BEFORE. WHEN THEY TOOK OVER, THEY GOT RID OF IT, STARTED GETTING RID OF IT, AND THE PRICES WERE GOING UP THE ROOF. THEY IMMEDIATELY LEFT THESE GUYS TO WHERE THEY WERE. I WOULD HAVE BEEN FIVE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, FIVE TIMES HIGHER BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 3 1/2 YEARS AGO. THEY GOT IT UP TO WHERE I WAS BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHOICE BECAUSE THE PRICES OF ENERGY WORK QUADRUPLING AND DOUBLING AND YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO GASOLINE SO THEY SAID LET'S GO BACK TO TRUMPET IF SHE WON THE ELECTION, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, THEY WILL GO BACK TO DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND OIL WILL BE DEBT, FOSSIL FUEL WILL BE DEAD AND WE WILL WILL GO BACK TO WINDMILLS AND SOLAR, WHERE THEY NEED A WHOLE DESERT TO GET SOME ENERGY TO COME OUT. YOU EVER SEE A SOLAR PLANT BY THE WAY I'M A BIG FAN OF SOLAR BUT THEY TAKE 400 TO 500 ACRES -- >> PRESIDENT TRUMP WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO. >> WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN 56 DAYS. AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER WHICH OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW IS A CORNERSTONE OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND THE ROLE OF THE PRESIDENT IN A MOMENT OF CRISIS. MR. PRESIDENT ON JANUARY 6th, YOU TOLD YOUR SUPPORTERS TO MARCH TO THE CAPITAL AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM. THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD SAW WHAT PLAYED OUT, THE OFFICERS COMING UNDER ATTACK. AIDS IN THE WEST WING SAID YOU WATCHED IT UNFOLD ON TELEVISION. YOU DID SEND OUT TWEETS BUT IT WAS MORE THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE YOU SENT OUT THE VIDEO MESSAGE TELLING YOUR SUPPORTERS TO GO HOME. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU REGRET ABOUT WHAT YOU DID ON THAT DAY? >> YOU JUST SAID A THING THAT ISN'T COVERED, PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY I SAID DURING MY SPEECH, NOT LATER ON. PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY AND NOBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS KILLED, ASHLEY BABBITT WAS SHOT BY AN OUT-OF-CONTROL POLICE OFFICER THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER, EVER SHOT HER. IT'S A DISGRACE, BUT WE DIDN'T DO, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN TREATED SO BADLY, I ASK, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND KILLING PEOPLE THAT SHE ALLOWED TO POUR IN, SHE WAS THE BORDER CZAR. SHE WAS THE BORDER CZAR SHE DOESN'T WANT TO BE CALLED THAT SHE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I'M SURPRISED OR NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BORDER YET. THAT'S BECAUSE SHE KNOWS WHAT A BAD JOB THEY'VE DONE. WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE PROSECUTED FOR, WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST SOUTH AMERICA, THEY ARE COMING IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, DAVID, ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND CRIME RATES ARE DOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE OF IT. DAVID, ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, WHEN WERE THEY GOING TO BE PROSECUTED, WHEN ARE THE PEOPLE THAT BURNED DOWN MINNEAPOLIS WILL BE PROSECUTED OR IN SEATTLE, THEY WENT INTO SEATTLE AND THEY TOOK OVER A BIG PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY OF SEATTLE. WHEN ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO BE PROSECUTED. YOU MIGHT ASK THAT QUESTION THAT -- >> IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU REGRET ABOUT WHAT YOU DID ON THAT DAY? >> I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT OTHER THAN THEY ASKED ME TO MAKE A SPEECH, I SHOWED UP FOR THE SPEECH AND I SAID I THINK IT'LL BE BIG. I WENT TO NANCY PELOSI AND THE MAYOR OF WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE MAYOR PUT IT BACK IN WRITING AS YOU KNOW. I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY BIG RALLY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AND AGAIN, IT WASN'T DONE BY ME, IT WAS DONE BY OTHERS I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU 10,000 NATIONAL GUARD SOLDIERS, THEY REJECTED ME, NANCY PELOSI REJECTED ME. IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO, HER DAUGHTER HAS A TAPE OF HER SAYING SHE IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED. THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THAT TAPE. IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF NANCY PELOSI AND THE MAYOR OF WASHINGTON DID THEIR JOBS. I WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY. NANCY PELOSI WAS RESPONSIBLE AND SHE DIDN'T DO HER JOB. >> THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT YOU AS PRESIDENT BUT I DO WANT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TO RESPOND. >> I WAS AT THE CAPITAL ON JANUARY 6th. I WAS ALSO AN ACTING SENATOR. I WAS THERE AND ON THAT DAY THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES INCITED A VIOLENT MOB TO ATTACK OUR NATIONS CAPITOL , TO DESECRATE OUR NATIONS CAPITOL AND ON THAT DAY 140 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WERE INJURED AND SOME DIED. AND UNDERSTAND, THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN INDICTED AND IMPEACHED FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON. BUT THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED SITUATION. LET'S REMEMBER, CHARLOTTESVILLE WHERE, THERE WAS A MOB OF PEOPLE CARRYING TIKI TORCHES, SPEWING ANTI-SEMANTIC HATE AND WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME SAY? THERE WERE FINE PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE. LET'S REMEMBER THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THE PROBLEM IS, A MILITIA, THE PRESIDENT SAID, THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAID STAND BACK AND STAND BY. SO, FOR EVERYONE WATCHING WHO REMEMBERS WHAT JANUARY 6th WAS, I SAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK, LET'S NOT GO BACK, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK. IT'S TIME TO TURN THE PAGE. AND IF THAT WAS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR YOU, THERE IS A PLACE IN OUR CAMPAIGN FOR YOU, TO STAND FOR COUNTRY, TO STAND FOR OUR DEMOCRACY, TO STAND FOR RULE OF LAW AND TO END THE CHAOS AND TO END THE APPROACH THAT IS ABOUT ATTACKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR DEMOCRACY BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME. AND BE CLEAR, ON THAT POINT, DONALD TRUMP THE CANDIDATE HAS SAID IN THIS ELECTION, THERE WILL BE A BLOODBATH IF THIS, IF THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION IS NOT TO HIS LIKING. LET'S TURN THE PAGE ON THIS. LET'S NOT GO BACK. LET'S CHART A COURSE FOR THE FUTURE AND NOT GO BACKWARDS TO THE PAST. >> LET ME FOLLOW UP HERE -- >> IT WAS A DIFFERENT TERM AND IT WAS A TERM THAT RELATED TO ENERGY BECAUSE THEY HAVE DESTROYED OUR ENERGY BUSINESS. THAT'S WHERE BLOODBATH WAS ALSO, ON CHARLOTTESVILLE, THAT STORY HAS BEEN AS YOU WOULD SAY, DEBUNKS. LAURA INGRAM, SEAN HANNITY, JESSE, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY COVERED IT, IF THEY GO AN EXTRA SENTENCE THEY WILL SEE IT WAS PERFECT. IT WAS DEBUNKED IN ALMOST EVERY NEWSPAPER BUT THEY STILL BRING UP JUST LIKE THEY BRING 2025 UP. THEY BRING ALL OF THIS STUFF UP. I ASK YOU THIS, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CAPITOL, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THESE ALIENS OF PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER, HOW COME SHE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD DO AND I WOULD BE VERY PROUD TO DO. I WOULD SAY WE WOULD BOTH LEAVE THIS DEBATE RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE HER GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON, D.C., DURING THIS DEBATE BECAUSE WE ARE WASTING A LOT OF TIME. BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN SO BAD, IT'S BEEN SO RIDICULOUS. GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND LET HER SIGN A BILL TO CLOSE UP THE BORDER BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. THEY DON'T NEED BILLS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU WILL GET HIM OUT OF BED AND YOU WAKE HIM UP AND SAY COME ON DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND LET SIGN A BILL. IF HE SIGNS A BILL THAT THE BORDER IS CLOSED, ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY IT TO THE BORDER PATROL WHO ARE PHENOMENAL . THEY DO THAT THE BORDER IS CLOSED. THOSE PEOPLE ARE KILLING MANY PEOPLE UNLIKE JANUARY 6th. >> I WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS NEXT ISSUE BECAUSE IT REALLY BRINGS US INTO FOCUS, TRUTH IN THESE TIMES WE ARE LIVING IN. FOR 3 1/2 YEARS AFTER YOU LOST THE 2020 ELECTION, YOU REPEATEDLY FALSELY CLAIMED THAT YOU WON MANY TIMES SAYING YOU WON IN A LANDSLIDE. IN WEEKS LEADING UP TO THE DEBATE, YOU HAVE SAID, QUOTE, YOU LOST BY A WHISKER AND YOU DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT AND YOU CAME UP A LITTLE SHORT, ARE YOU NOW ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU LOST IN 2020? >> I DON'T AT ALL. IT WAS SAID SARCASTICALLY. IT WAS SAID SARCASTICALLY. LOOK, THERE'S SO MUCH PROOF, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT IT AND THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT IT BACK TO THE LEGISLATURES FOR APPROVAL. I GOT ALMOST 75 MILLION VOTES, THE MOST VOTES ANY SITTING PRESIDENT HAS EVER GOTTEN. I WAS TOLD IF I GOT 63, YOU CAN'T BE BEATEN. THE ELECTION, PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER BE THINKING ABOUT AN ELECTION AS FRAUDULENT. WE NEED TWO THINGS, WE NEED WALLS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE BORDERS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD ELECTIONS. OUR ELECTIONS ARE BAD, AND A LOT OF THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING IN, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE AND THEY CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT COUNTRY THEY ARE IN AND THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO VOTE. AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ALLOWING THEM TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. >> I DID WATCH ALL OF THESE PIECES OF VIDEOS AND I DID NOT DETECT THE SARCASM, AND WE SHOULD POINT OUT FOR CLARIFICATION AND YOU KNOW THIS, YOU AND YOUR ALLIES, 60 CASES IN FRONT OF -- >> NO JUDGE LOOKED AT IT AND THEY SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE STANDING. A TECHNICALITY, CAN YOU IMAGINE A SYSTEM WHERE A PERSON IN AN ELECTION DOESN'T HAVE STANDING, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T HAVE STANDING? THAT'S HOW WE LOST. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO DO A SPECIAL ON IT AND I WILL SHOW YOU, GEORGE AND I WILL SHOW YOU WISCONSIN AND I WILL SHOW YOU PENNSYLVANIA WE HAVE SO MANY FACTS AND STATISTICS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S OLD NEWS IN THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A NATION IN DECLINE, AND THEY HAVE PUT IT INTO DECLINE. WE HAVE A NATION THAT IS DYING, DAVID. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT, HE SAID HE DIDN'T SAY THAT HE LOST BY A WHISKER SO HE STILL BELIEVES HE DID NOT LOSE THE ELECTION. BUT I DO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. THIS WAS A POST FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT THE UPCOMING ELECTION AND HE SAID WHEN I WIN, THOSE PEOPLE WHO CHEATED AND THEN HE WAS DONORS, VOTERS AND ELECTION OFFICIALS WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW WHICH WILL INCLUDE LONG-TERM PRISON SENTENCES. ONE OF YOUR CAMPAIGNS TOP LAWYERS RESPONDED SAYING WE WON'T LET DONALD TRUMP INTIMATE IT US AND WON'T LET HIM SUPPRESS THE VOTE. IS THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE HE IS TRYING TO DO HERE? >> DONALD TRUMP WAS FIRED BY 81 MILLION PEOPLE SO LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT AND CLEARLY HE'S HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME PROCESSING THAT. BUT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO ATTEMPTS, AS HE DID IN THE PAST, TO UPEND THE WILL OF THE VOTERS IN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WORLD LEADERS ARE LAUGHING AT DONALD TRUMP. I HAVE TALKED WITH MILITARY LEADERS, SOME OF WHOM WORKED WITH YOU AND THEY SAY YOU ARE A DISGRACE. AND WHEN YOU THEN TALK IN THIS WAY, IN A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND DENY WHAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN ARE COURT CASES THAT YOU HAVE LOST BECAUSE YOU DID IN FACT LOSE THAT ELECTION, IT LEADS ONE TO BELIEVE THAT PERHAPS, WE DO NOT HAVE IN THE CANDIDATE TO MY RIGHT, THE TEMPERAMENT OR THE ABILITY TO NOT BE CONFUSED ABOUT FACT. THAT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER. >> I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MINUTE TO RESPOND. >> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WORLD LEADERS, VICTOR ORBACH, ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED MEN, HE'S A TOUGH PERSON, THE PRIME MINISTER OF HUNGARY, THEY SAY WHY IS THE WHOLE WORLD BLOWING UP THREE YEARS AGO IT WASN'T, WHY IS IT BLOWING UP, YOU SAID BECAUSE YOU NEED TRUMP BACK AS PRESIDENT THEY WERE AFRAID OF HIM, CHINA WAS AFRAID AND I DO LIKE TO USE THE WORD AFRAID WHAT I'M QUOTING HIM, CHINA WAS AFRAID OF HIM, NORTH KOREA WAS AFRAID OF HIM, LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH NORTH KOREA BY THE WAY, HE SAID RUSSIA WAS AFRAID OF HIM, I ENDED THE NORD STREAM 2 PIPELINE AND BIDEN PUT IT BACK ON DAY ONE BUT HE ENDED THE XL PIPELINE. THE XL PIPELINE, IN OUR COUNTRY, HE ENDED THAT BUT LET THE RUSSIANS BUILD A PIPELINE GOING ALL OVER EUROPE AND HEADED INTO GERMANY. THE BIGGEST PIPELINE IN THE WORLD. LOOK, VIKTOR ORBAN SAID IT, HE SAID THE MOST RESPECTED, MOST FEARED PERSON IS DONALD TRUMP. WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT BUT WHEN THIS WEEK, PATHETIC MAN, THAT YOU SAW AT A DEBATE A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT IF HE WEREN'T IN THAT DEBATE HE WOULD BE RUNNING INSTEAD OF HER, SHE GOT NO VOTES, HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES. YOU TALK ABOUT A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY, HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES AND THEY THREW HIM OUT OF OFFICE AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL GIVE YOU A SECRET, HE HATES HER, HE CAN'T STAND HER, HE GOT 14 MILLION VOTES, THEY THREW HIM OUT, SHE GOT ZERO VOTES AND WHEN SHE RAN, SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO LEAVE BECAUSE SHE FAILED, AND NOW SHE'S RUNNING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> TURNING NOW TO THE ISREAL- HAMAS WAR AND THE HOSTAGES WHO ARE STILL BEING HELD, AMERICANS AMONG THEM. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IN DECEMBER YOU SAID ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF BUT YOU ADDED, IT MATTERS HOUSING INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN LAW MUST THE RESPECTED. ISRAEL MUST DO MORE TO PROTECT INNOCENT CIVILIANS. YOU SAID THAT NINE MONTHS AGO. NOW AN ESTIMATE OF 40,000 PALESTINIANS ARE DEAD. NEARLY 100 HOSTAGES REMAIN. LAST WEEK BENJAMIN NETANYAHU SAID THERE'S NOT A DEAL IN THE MAKING AND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH THIS STALEMATE, HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? >> LET'S UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE. ON OCTOBER 7th HAMAS, A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION SLAUGHTERED 1200 ISRAELIS. MANY OF THEM YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WERE SIMPLY ATTENDING A CONCERT. WOMEN WERE . I SAID THEN AND NOW, ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. WE WOULD, AND HOW IT DOES SO, IT MATTERS BECAUSE IT'S ALSO TRUE, FAR TOO MANY INNOCENT PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED . CHILDREN, MOTHERS, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THIS WAR MUST AND, AND THE WAY IT WILL AND IS WE NEED A CEASE-FIRE DEAL AND WE NEED THE HOSTAGES OUT. AND SO, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK AROUND THE CLOCK ON THAT, WORK AROUND THE CLOCK ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE MUST CHART A COURSE FOR A TWO STATE SOLUTION. AND IN THAT SOLUTION, THERE MUST BE SECURITY FOR THE ISRAELI PEOPLE AND IN EQUAL MEASURE FOR THE PALESTINIANS BUT THE ONE THING I WILL SURE YOU ALWAYS, I WILL ALWAYS GIVE ISRAEL THE ABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF IN PARTICULAR AS IT RELATES TO IRAN, AND ANY THREAT THAT IRAN AND ITS PROXIES POSE TO ISRAEL. BUT WE MUST HAVE A TWO STATE SOLUTION WHERE WE CAN REBUILD GAZA, WHERE THE PALESTINIANS HAVE SECURITY, SELF- DETERMINATION AND THE DIGNITY THEY SO RIGHTLY DESERVE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, HOW WOULD YOU NEGOTIATE WITH BENJAMIN NETANYAHU AND ALSO HAMAS IN ORDER TO GET THE HOSTAGES OUT AND PREVENT THE KILLING OF MORE INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN GAZA. >> IF I WERE PRESIDENT, IT WOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. IF I WERE PRESIDENT, RUSSIA WOULD HAVE NEVER, EVER, I KNOW . VERY WELL, THERE WAS NO THREAT OF EITHER, BY THE WAY, FOR FOUR YEARS, THEY WOULD'VE NEVER GONE INTO UKRAINE AND KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU ADD IT UP. BUT WHEN SHE MENTIONS ABOUT ISRAEL ALL OF A SUDDEN, SHE HATES ISRAEL, SHE WOULDN'T EVEN MEET WITH BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, SHE REFUSED TO BE THERE WHEN SHE WAS AT A SORORITY PARTY. SHE WANTED TO GO TO THE SORORITY PARTY. SHE HATES ISRAEL. IF SHE'S PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE THAT ISRAEL WILL NOT EXIST WITHIN TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND I'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT PREDICTIONS AND I HOPE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT ONE. SHE HATES ISRAEL. AT THE SAME TIME, IN HER OWN WAY, SHE HATES THE ARAB POPULATION BECAUSE THE WHOLE PLACE IS GOING TO GET BLOWN UP, ARABS, JEWISH PEOPLE, ISRAEL, ISRAEL WILL BE GONE. IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, IRAN WAS BROKE UNDER DONALD TRUMP. NOW IRAN HAS $300 BILLION BECAUSE THEY TOOK OFF ALL THE SANCTIONS THAT . IRAN HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS OR HEZBOLLAH OR ANY OF THE 28 DIFFERENT SPHERES OF TERROR AND THEY ARE SPHERES OF TERROR, HORRIBLE TARA. THEY HAD NO MONEY. IT WAS A BIG STORY AND YOU KNOW IT AND YOU COVERED IT VERY WELL, ACTUALLY, THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR TARIFFS. THEY WERE BROKE. NOW THEY ARE -- I WILL >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, HE SAID YOU HATE ISRAEL. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. I HAVE MY ENTIRE CAREER AND LIFE SUPPORTED ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI PEOPLE. HE KNOWS THAT. HE'S TRYING TO, AGAIN, DIVIDE AND DISTRACT FROM THE REALITY, WHICH IS IT IS A VERY WELL KNOWN THAT DONALD TRUMP IS WEAK AND WRONG ON NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY. IT IS WELL-KNOWN THAT HE ADMIRES DICTATORS, WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR ON DAY ONE. ACCORDING TO HIMSELF. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT HE SAID OF VLADIMIR PUTIN THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS AND GO INTO UKRAINE. IT IS WELL-KNOWN THAT HE SAID WHEN RUSSIA WENT INTO UKRAINE, IT WAS "BRILLIANT." IT IS WELL KNOWN HE EXCHANGED LOVE LETTERS WITH KIM JON UN AND IT IS ONE OF THESE DICTATORS AND AUTOCRATS ARE ROOTING FOR YOU TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CLEAR THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOU WITH FLATTERY AND FAVORITES. THAT IS WHY SO MANY MILITARY LEADERS, WHO YOU HAVE WORKED WITH, HAVE TOLD ME YOU ARE A DISGRACE. THAT IS WHY WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT CONSISTENTLY WEEK AND ON A NATIONAL SECURITY, INCLUDING THE IMPORTANCE OF UPHOLDING AND RESPECTING IN HIGHEST REGARD OUR MILITARY. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. THANK YOU. >> SHE IS THE ONE THAT CAUSED IT, THAT IS WEAK ON NATIONAL SECURITY BY ALLOWING EVERY NATION, LAST MONTH FOR THE YEAR 168 COUNTRIES SENDING PEOPLE INTO OUR COUNTRY. THE CRIME RATES ARE WAY DOWN. VLADIMIR PUTIN ENDORSED HER LAST WEEK, SAID I HOPE SHE WINS. WHAT HE'S GOTTEN AWAY WITH IS INCREDIBLE. IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITH ME. THE LEADERS OF OTHER COUNTRIES THINK THEY ARE WEAK AND INCOMPETENT AND THEY ARE. THEY ARE GROSSLY INCOMPETENT. I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION, WHY DOES BIDEN GO IN AND KILL THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE AND APPROVE THE SINGLE BIGGEST DEAL RUSSIA HAS EVER MADE, THE BIGGEST PIPELINE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD GOING TO GERMANY AND ALL OVER EUROPE? BECAUSE THEY ARE WEAK AND INEFFECTIVE. BIDEN, BY THE WAY, GETS PAID A LOT OF MONEY. >> WE WILL BE BACK WITH MUCH MORE OF THIS HISTORIC ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER RIGHT HERE IN PHILADELPHIA. BACK IN A MOMENT. >> THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WILL CONTINUE AFTER THIS. >> MY NAME IS DYLAN WELLS, BEGAN A CAMPAIGN REPORTER AT THE WASHINGTON POST. I WANT TO JOIN THE WASHINGTON POST TO WORK WITH THE BEST POLITICAL TEAM IN BUSINESS AND COVER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DETERMINE WHO WINS THIS ELECTION. BEING OUT IN THE FIELD IS ESSENTIAL TO COVERING THE CAMPAIGN. I AM CONSTANTLY ON THE TRAIL, GOING TO DIFFERENT EVENTS, DRIVING AROUND THE COUNTRY, FLYING AROUND THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE A LOT OF VOTERS HESITANT ABOUT THIS GENERAL ELECTION. I WOULD SAY MY MOST INTERESTING INTERVIEWS IN THE PAST YEAR COVERING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE HAVE NOT BEEN WITH THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES BUT WITH THE VOTERS OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND HEARING ABOUT WHAT ISSUES ARE MOTIVATING OR NOT MOTIVATING THEM TO TURN OUT TO VOTE. FOR ME, THE GREATEST SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT IN MY REPORTING COMES WHEN A READER IS ABLE TO TELL ME THAT MY STORY IS HOW THEY BETTER UNDERSTOOD AN ISSUE. I THINK JUST BEING ABLE TO TELL THOSE STORIES THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE HEAR FROM THEM CAMPAIGN TRAIL IS REALLY A PRIVILEGE AND AS A CAMPAIGN TEAM, WE ARE TRYING TO TELL THE STORIES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> MOTHER TERESA COULD NOT BEAT THESE CHARGES. >> WELCOME TO THE TRUMP TRIALS, SIDEBAR, THE NEW PODCAST FROM THE WASHINGTON POST. I'M LIBBY CASEY. EVERY WEEK ALONGSIDE RHONDA COLVIN AND JAMES HOHMANN, WE BREAKDOWN THE LATEST NEWS AND LEGAL BATTLES AS DONALD TRUMP RAMPS UP HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE SERIOUS. >> THE FIRST TIME A U.S. PRESIDENT IS IN COURT AS A DEFENDANT. >> WE ALSO HAVE SOME FUN. >> RHONDA, IF YOU COULD HAVE ANY JOB IN THE COURT, AND THEN JOURNALIST, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> IT WOULD BE THE LIFT. >> OUR COLLEAGUES SHARE THEIR INSIGHT SCOOPS. DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THE JURY HAS THE WEIGHT-BEARING ON THEM? >> THEY SEE ALL OF US. THEY KNOW THEY ARE A PART OF HISTORY. >> STICK AROUND TO GET REAL. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WEIRD NUGGETS YOU'VE LEARNED ABOUT JURORS THIS WEEK? >> TALKING ABOUT HIS PUBLIC ACCESS TV SHOW. >> WANTS THE TRUMP TRIALS SIDEBAR ON YOUTUBE OR LISTEN TO US ON YOUR FAVORITE PODCAST PLATFORM TODAY. >> I AND A REPORTER FOR THE WASHINGTON POST AND I WORK FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TEAM. I WANTED TO COME TO THE WASHINGTON POST BECAUSE IT IS SOME OF THE BEST JOURNALISM GOING ON IN AMERICA. DIFFICULT DAY AT THE POST ON THE WHITE HOUSE BEAT CAN BE ANYTHING BUT TYPICAL. IF THE PRESIDENT IS IN TOWN, I AM ALSO IN TOWN. IF THE PRESIDENT IS TRAVELING, I OR ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE ALSO TRAVELING, WRITING ABOUT NOT JUST WHAT HE'S DOING BUT ALSO WRITING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF WHAT HE'S DOING AND HOW VOTERS, HOW AMERICANS FEEL ABOUT THAT. IF I HAD TO DESCRIBE THE POLITICAL TEAM HERE, ONE THING THAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT OUR COVERAGE, WE HAVE HYPOTHESES BUT WE DON'T HAVE ASSUMPTIONS. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY AREN'T AS OPPOSED TO WHERE WE ASSUME THEY ARE IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES US REALLY DISTINCT. CRITICAL, OBJECTIVE JOURNALISM IS REALLY IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. WHAT I TRIED TO DO, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO JUST CALL IT LIKE IT IS. THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR WORLD AND THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR OWN INFORMED DECISION. >> I AM YOUR WARRIOR, I AM YOUR JUSTICE. I AM YOUR RETRIBUTION. >> I TOOK PERPETRATORS OF ALL KINDS. I KNOW DONALD TRUMP'S TYPE. >> THE 2024 ELECTION IS IN FULL SWING. FOR EVERY KEY CAMPAIGN MOMENT, THE WASHINGTON POST IS A FAIR , BRINGING YOU LIVE COVERAGE WITH INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS. FROM LANDMARK SUPREME COURT DECISIONS TO THE SENTENCING OF DONALD TRUMP. WE WILL BE ON LOCATION, REPORTING LIVE FROM THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. IT ALL LEADS UP TO OUR 2024 ELECTION NIGHT SPECIAL, PROVIDING REAL-TIME RACE CALLS, LIFE UPDATES FROM REPORTERS ON THE GROUND, MONITORING THE PIVOTAL RACES THAT WILL DETERMINE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY. NO ONE COVERS ETHICS AND ELECTIONS LIKE THE WASHINGTON POST BECAUSE DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS. >> LIVE FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER IN PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA, HERE AGAIN, DAVID MUIR AND LINSEY DAVIS. >> WELCOME BACK TO THIS HISTORIC ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TONIGHT. I WANT TO RETURN TO THE WAR IN UKRAINE, WE ARE TO HALF YEARS INTO THIS CONFLICT. MR. PRESIDENT, IT HAS BEEN THE POSITION OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WE MUST DEFEND UKRAINE FROM RUSSIA, FROM A PUTIN, TO DEFEND THEIR SOVEREIGNTY, THEIR DEMOCRACY, IT IS IN AMERICA'S BEST INTEREST TO DO SO, ARGUING IF VLADIMIR PUTIN WINS, HE MAY BE EMBOLDENED TO GO FURTHER INTO OTHER COUNTRIES. YOU SAID YOU WOULD SOLVE THIS WAR IN 24 HOURS, YOU SAID SO BEFORE THE BREAK TONIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? I WANT TO ASK YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION TONIGHT. DO YOU WANT UKRAINE TO WIN THIS WAR? >> I WANT THE WAR TO STOP. I WANT TO SAVE LIVES THAT ARE BEING USELESSLY, PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY THE MILLIONS, THE MILLIONS, IT IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN THE NUMBERS YOU ARE GETTING, WHICH ARE FAKE NUMBERS. LOOK, WE ARE IN FOR 250 BILLION OR MORE BECAUSE THEY DON'T ASK EUROPE, WHICH IS A MUCH BIGGER BENEFICIARY TO GETTING THIS THING DONE THEN WE ARE. THEY ARE IN FOR $150 BILLION LESS BECAUSE BIDEN AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK EUROPE LIKE I DID WITH NATO. THEY PAID BILLIONS AND BILLIONS, HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN A STATE EITHER YOU PAY UP OR WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU ANYMORE. THAT IS MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS THEY DON'T LIKE ME AS MUCH AS THEY LIKE WEAK PEOPLE. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING, WE ARE IN FOR 250 TO 275 BILLION. THEY ARE IN TWO 100 TO 150. THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO EQUALIZE. THAT BEING SAID, I WENT TO GET THE WAR SETTLED. I KNOW VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY WELL AND I KNOW VLADIMIR PUTIN VERY WELL. I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND THEY RESPECT YOUR PRESIDENT, OKAY? THEY RESPECT ME. THEY DON'T RESPECT BIDEN. HOW WOULD YOU RESPECT HIM? WHY, FOR WHAT REASON? HE HASN'T EVEN MADE A PHONE CALL TO VLADIMIR PUTIN, HE HASN'T SPOKEN TO ANYBODY. THEY DON'T EVEN TRY. THAT IS A WAR THAT IS DYING TO BE SETTLED. I WILL GET IT SETTLED BEFORE I EVEN BECOME PRESIDENT. IF I WIN, WHEN I AND PRESIDENT- ELECT, AND WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL SPEAK TO ONE, HE WILL SPEAK TO THE OTHER, IT WILL GET THEM TOGETHER AND THAT OR NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. WHEN I SAW A PUTIN, UNFORTUNATELY LEFT BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY HAS GONE TO . WHEN I SAW HIM BUILDING UP SOLDIERS, HE DID IT AFTER I LEFT, I SAID OH, HE MUST BE NEGOTIATING IT MUST BE A GOOD STRONG POINT OF NEGOTIATING. BIDEN HAS NO IDEA HOW TO TALK TO HIM, HE HAS NO IDEA HOW TO STOP IT AND NOW YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DEAD AND IT IS ONLY GETTING WORSE AND THAT COULD LEAD TO WORLD WAR III. DON'T KID YOURSELF, DAVID, WE ARE PLAYING WITH WORLD WAR III. WE HAVE PRESIDENT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, WHERE IS OUR PRESIDENT? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'S THE PRESIDENT. THEY THREW HIM OUT OF THE CAMPAIGN LIKE A DOG. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, IS HE OUR PRESIDENT? WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT DOESN'T KNOW HE'S ALIVE. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. TO CLARIFY ON THE QUESTION, DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS IN THE U.S. BEST INTEREST FOR UKRAINE TO WIN THIS OR QUESTION >> I THINK IT IS AT THE U.S. BEST INTEREST TO GET THIS WAR FINISHED AND GET ON. NEGOTIATE A DEAL. WE HAVE TO STOP ALL OF THESE HUMAN LIVES FROM BEING DESTROYED. >> I WANT TO TAKE THIS TO VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE IN THIS MOMENT. AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF, IF ELECTED, HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ARE SEEING FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> FIRST OF ALL, IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMIND THE FORMER PRESIDENT YOU ARE NOT RUNNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN, YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST ME. I BELIEVE THE REASON DONALD TRUMP SAYS THIS WAR WOULD BE OVER WITHIN 24 HOURS IS BECAUSE HE WOULD JUST GIVE IT UP HERE THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE AS AMERICANS. LET'S UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED HERE. I MET WITH VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY A FEW DAYS BEFORE RUSSIA INVADED, TRIED THREE FORCED TO CHANGE TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES, TO DEFY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT INTERNATIONAL RULES AND NORMS, WHICH IS THE IMPORTANCE OF SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY AND I MET WITH PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY. I SHARED WITH HIM AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE ABOUT HOW WE COULD DEFEND HIMSELF. DAYS LATER, HE WENT TO THE NATO EASTERN FLANK, TO POLAND AND ROMANIA. THROUGH THE WORK THAT I AND OTHERS DID, WE BROUGHT 50 COUNTRIES TOGETHER TO SUPPORT UKRAINE IN ITS RIGHTEOUS DEFENSE. BECAUSE OF OUR SUPPORT, BECAUSE OF THE AIR DEFENSE, THE AMMUNITION, THE ARTILLERY, THE JAVELINS, THE ABRAMS TANKS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, UKRAINE STANDS AS AN INDEPENDENT AND FREE COUNTRY. IF THE TRUMPET WERE PRESIDENT, VLADIMIR PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN THE CAPITOL OF UKRAINE RIGHT NOW. UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN. FATIMA PUTIN'S AGENDA IS NOT JUST ABOUT UKRAINE. UNDERSTAND WHY THE EUROPEAN ALLIES AND OUR NATO ALLIES ARE SO THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER PRESIDENT AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE GREATEST MILITARY ALLIANCE OF THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN, WHICH IS NATO, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY OF VLADIMIR, VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY AND UKRAINIANS TO FIGHT FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE. OTHERWISE, VLADIMIR PUTIN WOULD BE LOOKING WITH HIS EYES TO THE REST OF EUROPE, STARTING WITH POLAND. WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE 800,000 POLISH AMERICANS RIGHT HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA HOW QUICKLY YOU WOULD GIVE UP, FOR THE SAKE OF FAVOR AND WHAT YOU THINK IT'S A FRIENDSHIP WITH WHAT IS KNOWN TO BE A DICTATOR, WHO WOULD EAT YOU FOR LUNCH. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. WE HAVE HEARD FROM BOTH OF YOU ON UKRAINE. AFGHANISTAN CAME UP IN THE LAST HOUR. I WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER. PLEASE. I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE HERE. >> VLADIMIR PUTIN WOULD BE SITTING IN MOSCOW AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE LOST 300,000 MEN AND WOMEN. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN MOSCOW, QUIET PLEASE. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN MOSCOW MUCH HAPPIER THAN HE IS RIGHT NOW. EVENTUALLY, HE'S GOT A THING THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE. HE HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THEY DON'T EVER TALK ABOUT THAT. NO ONE EVER THINKS ABOUT THAT. EVENTUALLY, MAYBE HE WILL USE THEM, MAYBE, HE DOES HAVE THAT, SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. NOBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT IT. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THEY SENT HER TO NEGOTIATE PEACE BEFORE THIS WAR STARTED. THREE DAYS LATER, HE WENT IN AND HE STARTED THE WARM BECAUSE EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS WEAK AND STUPID. THEY SAID THE WRONG THINGS. THAT WAR SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. SHE WAS THE EMISSARY. THEY SENT HER INTO NEGOTIATE WITH VLADIMIR ZALESKI AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. AND SHE DID AND THE WAR STARTED THREE DAYS LATER. THAT IS THE KIND OF TALENT WE HAVE WITH HER. SHE IS WORSE THAN BIDEN. IN MY OPINION, I THINK HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. SHE GOES DOWN AS THE WORST VICE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, SHE IS A HORRIBLE NEGOTIATOR. THEY SENT HER INTO NEGOTIATE. AS SOON AS THEY LEFT, VLADIMIR PUTIN DID THE INVASION. >> PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. HE SAID SHE WENT TO NEGOTIATE. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, HAVE YOU EVER MET VLADIMIR PUTIN, CAN YOU CLARIFY? >> I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS DEBATE, YOU WILL HEAR A BUNCH OF LIES FROM THIS GUY AND THAT IS ANOTHER ONE. WHEN I WENT TO MEET WITH PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, I'VE MET WITH HIM OVER FIVE TIMES. THE REALITY IS, IT HAS BEEN ABOUT STANDING AS AMERICAN ALWAYS SHOULD, AS A LEADER UPHOLDING INTERNATIONAL RULES AND NORMS, AS A LEADER WHO SHOWS STRENGTH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FILINGS IS WE HAVE AROUND THE WORLD ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR ABILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR FRIENDS AND NOT FAVOR OUR ENEMIES BECAUSE YOU ADORE STRONGMEN INSTEAD OF CARING ABOUT DEMOCRACY. THAT IS VERY MUCH WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO RELY ON A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AMERICA'S ROLE AND RESPONSE ABILITY IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT THERE IS STABILITY AND ENSURING WE STAND UP FOR OUR PRINCIPLES AND NOT SELL THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF PERSONAL FLATTERY. >> WE TALKED ABOUT UKRAINE AND VLADIMIR PUTIN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFGHANISTAN. IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST HOUR OF THIS DEBATE. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO AFGHANISTAN. >> HE SAID TRUMPET THE MOST AMAZING THING OF EVERYTHING, HE GOT HIS COUNTRIES, THE 28 COUNTRIES AT THE TIME TO PAY UP. HE SAID I'VE NEVER SEEN. HE'S THE HEAD OF NATO. HE SAID I'VE NEVER SEEN. FOR YEARS WE WERE PAYING ALMOST ALL OF NATO, WE WERE BEING RIPPED OFF BY EUROPEAN NATIONS ON TRADE AND ON NATO. I GOT THEM TO PAY UP BY SAYING ONE OF THE STATEMENTS SHE MADE BEFORE, IF YOU DON'T PAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROTECT YOU. HE SAID IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE JOBS HE'S EVER SEEN DONE. >> I WENT TO TURN TO AFGHANISTAN. IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST HOUR OF THE DEBATE AND WE WITNESSED A POIGNANT MOMENT HONORING THE SOLDIERS WHO DIED IN THE WITHDRAWAL IN AFGHANISTAN. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU BEAR ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN THE WAY THAT WITHDRAWAL PLAYED OUT? >> I AGREED WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECISION TO PULL OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. FOUR PRESIDENTS SAID THEY WOULD AND JOE BIDEN DID. AS A RESULT, AMERICA'S TAXPAYERS ARE NOT PUTTING THE $300 MILLION A DAY WE WERE PAYING FOR THAT ENDLESS WAR. AS OF TODAY, THERE IS NOT ONE MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY WHO IS IN ACTIVE DUTY IN A COMBAT ZONE IN ANY WAR ZONE AROUND THE WORLD, THE FIRST TIME THIS CENTURY. LET'S UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT NEGOTIATED ONE OF THE WEAKEST DEALS YOU CAN IMAGINE. HE CALLS HIMSELF A DEALMAKER. EVEN AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAYS IT WAS A WEAK, TERRIBLE DEAL. HERE IS HOW IT WENT DOWN. HE BYPASSED THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT, HE NEGOTIATED DIRECTLY WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION CALLED THE TALIBAN. THE NEGOTIATION INVOLVED THE TALIBAN GETTING 5000 TERRORISTS, TALIBAN TERRORISTS RELEASED. GET THIS, NO, GET THIS. AND, THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME INVITED THE TALIBAN TO CAMP DAVID, A PLACE OF STORAGE SIGNIFICANCE FOR US AS AMERICANS, A PLACE WHERE WE HONOR THE IMPORTANCE OF AMERICAN DIPLOMACY, WHERE WE INVITE AND RECEIVE RESPECTED WORLD LEADERS. THIS FORMER PRESIDENT, AS PRESIDENT, INVITED THEM TO CAMP DAVID BECAUSE HE DOES NOT, AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF WITH A LEVEL OF RESPECT. THIS GETS BACK TO THE POINT OF HOW HE HAS DISPARAGED AND LEANED MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY, FALLEN SOLDIERS, AND THE WORK THAT WE MUST DO TO UPHOLD THE STRENGTH AND THE RESPECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AROUND THE WORLD. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. YOUR RESPONSE TO SAYING YOU BEGIN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN. >> IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TIME, THE TALIBAN WAS KILLING OUR SOLDIERS, A LOT OF THEM, WITH SNIPERS. I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE TALIBAN BECAUSE THE TALIBAN WAS DOING THE KILLING. THAT IS THE FIGHTING FORCE WITHIN AFGHANISTAN. THEY DON'T BOTHER DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY DEAL WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. I GOT INVOLVED. AND, THE HEAD OF THE TALIBAN, HE IS STILL THE HEAD OF THE TALIBAN, I TOLD ABDUL DON'T DO IT ANYMORE, YOU DO IT ANYMORE, YOU WILL HAVE PROBLEMS. HE SAID WHY DO YOU SEND ME A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE? I SAID YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. FOR 18 MONTHS, WE HAD NOBODY KILLED. WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED BY MIKE POMPEO, WHO, IT WAS A VERY GOOD AGREEMENT. THE REASON IT WAS GOOD, IT WAS, WE WERE GETTING OUT. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT FASTER THAN THEN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE LEFT MANY AMERICANS BEHIND. WE WOULDN'T HAVE LEFT $85 BILLION WORTH OF BRAND-NEW BEAUTIFUL MILITARY EQUIPMENT BEHIND. JUST TO FINISH, THEY BLEW IT. THE AGREEMENT SAID YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT. THEY DIDN'T DO IT. THE AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED BY US BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. >> I WANT TO MOVE ON. >> THESE PEOPLE THAT THE WORST WITHDRAWAL. IN MY OPINION, THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. BY THE WAY, THAT IS WHY RUSSIA ATTACKED UKRAINE. THEY SAW HOW INCOMPETENT SHE AND HER BOSS ARE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, THANK YOU. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO RACE AND POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY. MR. PRESIDENT, YOU SAID VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS "I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS BLACK UNTIL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WHEN SHE HAPPENED TO TURN BLACK, NOW SHE WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS BLACK." I WANT TO ASK A BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO WEIGH IN ON THE RACIAL IDENTITY OF YOUR OPPONENT QUESTION >> I DON'T, I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE GETS. I DON'T CARE. YOU MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF SOMETHING, I COULDN'T CARE LESS. WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO BE IS OKAY WITH ME. >> THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS. I'M ASKING. >> ALL I CAN SAY IS I READ WHERE SHE WAS NOT BLACK, THAT SHE PUT OUT. AND I WILL SAY THAT. THEN I READ THAT SHE WAS BLACK AND THAT IS OKAY. EITHER ONE WAS OKAY WITH ME. THAT IS UP TO HER, THAT IS UP TO HER. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> HONESTLY, I THINK IS A TRAGEDY THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY, OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER, ATTEMPTED TO USE RACE TO DIVIDE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I DO BELIEVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF US KNOW WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US AND WE DON'T WANT THIS KIND OF APPROACH THAT IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DIVIDE US, ESPECIALLY BY RACE. LET'S REMEMBER HOW DONALD TRUMP STARTED. HE OWNED LAND, HE OWNED BUILDINGS. HE WAS INVESTIGATED BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO RENT PROPERTY TO BLACK FAMILIES. LET'S REMEMBER THIS IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO TOOK OUT A FULL- PAGE AD IN THE NEW YORK TIMES CALLING FOR THE EXECUTION OF FIVE YOUNG BLACK AND LATINO BOYS WHO WERE INNOCENT, THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE, TOOK OUT A FULL-PAGE AD CALLING FOR THEIR EXECUTION. THIS IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO SPREAD LIES ABOUT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT BETTER THAN THAT, WANT BETTER THAN THIS, WANT SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, AS I DO, I TRAVEL OUR COUNTRY. WE SEE IN EACH OTHER A FRIEND, WE SEE IN EACH OTHER A NEIGHBOR. WE DON'T WANT A LEADER WHO IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO HAVE AMERICANS POINT THEIR FINGERS AT EACH OTHER. I MEET WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WHO TELL ME, CAN WE PLEASE JUST HAVE DISCOURSE ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO INVEST IN THE ASPIRATIONS AND THE AMBITIONS AND THE DREAMS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? KNOWING THAT REGARDLESS OF PEOPLE'S COLOR OR THE LANGUAGE THEIR GRANDMOTHER SPEAKS, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS AND WANTS A RESIDENT WHO INVESTS IN THOSE, NOT IN HATE AND DIVISION. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, THIS IS WITH HER TIME. >> THIS IS THE MOST DIVISIVE PRESIDENCY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND THEY COME UP WITH THINGS LIKE WHAT SHE JUST SAID. GOING BACK MANY, MANY YEARS, A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MAYOR BLOOMBERG AGREED WITH ME ON THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE. THEY ADMITTED, THEY SAID, THEY PLED GUILTY. I SAID WELL, IF THEY PLED GUILTY, THEY BADLY HURT A PERSON, KILLED A PERSON, ULTIMATELY. IF THEY PLED GUILTY, THEN THEY PLED NOT GUILTY. BUT, THIS IS A PERSON THAT HAS TO STRETCH BACK YEARS, 40, 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IS NOTHING NOW. I BUILT ONE OF THE GREATEST ECONOMIES IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. I'M GOING TO BUILD THAT AGAIN. IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD, BETTER, AND STRONGER. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A GOOD ECONOMY IS. THERE ARE NO POLICIES, EVERY SINGLE POLICY, REMEMBER THIS. SHE IS BITING. SHE'S TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM BIDEN. I DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN, SHE SAYS. SHE IS BITING. THE WORST INFLATION WE'VE EVER HAD, A HORRIBLE ECONOMY BECAUSE INFLATION HAS MADE IT SO BAD THAT SHE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THAT. >> I WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT, JUST BRIEFLY. CLEARLY I AM NOT JOE BIDEN AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT DONALD TRUMP. WHAT I DO OFFER IS A NEW GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP FOR OUR COUNTRY, ONE WHO BELIEVES IN WHAT IS POSSIBLE, ONE WHO BRINGS A SENSE OF OPTIMISM ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO INSTEAD OF ALWAYS DISPARAGING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CAN DO TO STRENGTHEN OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE A PLAN. LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PLANS AND LET'S COMPARE THE PLANES. I HAVE A PLAN TO GIVE STARTUP BUSINESSES $50,000.00 TAX ELECTIONS, TO PURSUE THEIR AMBITIONS FOR THEIR INNOVATION, THEIR IDEAS, THEIR HARD WORK. I HAVE A PLAN, $6000 RESENTS FOR SOME FAMILIES FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF YOUR CHILD'S LIFE, TO HELP YOU IN THAT MOST CRITICAL STAGE OF YOUR CHILD'S DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE A PLAN THAT IS ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PURSUE WHAT HAS BEEN FLEETING IN TERMS OF THE AMERICAN DREAM BY OFFERING A DOWN PAYMENT HELP OF $25,000 IN ANY DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS. THAT IS THE CONVERSATION PEOPLE REALLY WANT TONIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A CONVERSATION THAT IS CONSTANTLY ABOUT BELITTLING AND NAME CALLING. LET'S TURN THE PAGE. LET'S MOVE FORWARD. >> WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. RESIDENT TRUMP. >> LET'S TURN TO POLICY, PLEASE. >> SHE HAS A PLAN TO DEFUND THE POLICE. SHE HAS A PLAN TO CONFISCATE EVERYBODY'S GONE. SHE HAS A PLAN TO -- NOT ALLOW FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT IS WHAT HER PLAN IS UNTIL JUST RECENTLY >> KNOW, THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS SAID SOMETHING TWICE I NEED TO RESPOND TO. >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. THIS IS NOW YOUR THIRD TIME RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE LONG VOWED TO REPEAL AND REPLACE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, ALSO KNOWN AS TRAIN 22. YOU NOW SAY YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP OBAMACARE. LAST MONTH HE SAID "WE ARE WORKING ON IT." TONIGHT, NINE YEARS AFTER YOU FOR STARTED RUNNING, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IT IS QUESTION >> OBAMACARE WAS LOUSY HEALTH CARE, ALWAYS WINS. IT IS NOT VERY GOOD TODAY. WHAT I SAID, IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING , AND WE ARE WORKING ON THINGS, WE ARE GOING TO DO IT AND WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE IT. I INHERITED OBAMACARE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T CHANGE IT, THEY WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. THEY ARE UNANIMOUS, THEY WOULDN'T VOTE TO CHANGE IT. IF THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT, WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH BETTER PLAN. THE DEMOCRATS CAME UP, THEY WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT. I SAVE IT AND MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE? NEVER GOING TO BE GREAT. OR, DO I LET IT ROT? I FELT AND HAS AN OBLIGATION, EVEN THOUGH POLITICALLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO LET IT ROT AND LET IT GO AWAY, I DECIDED AND I TOLD MY PEOPLE, THE TOP PEOPLE, THEY ARE VERY GOOD PEOPLE, I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, YOU READ ABOUT THE BAD ONES, WE HAD BAD ONES AND SO DO THEY, THEY HAVE REALLY BAD ONES. THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY DON'T GET RID OF THEM. I HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE. DO I SAVE IT AND MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE OR DO I LET IT ROT? I SAVED IT. I DO THE RIGHT THING. IT IS STILL NEVER GOING TO BE GREAT AND IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR PEOPLE. WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PLANS. IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO COST OUR PEOPLE, OUR POPULATION LESS MONEY AND BE BETTER HEALTH CARE THAN OBAMACARE, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DO IT. UNTIL THEN, I WOULD RUN IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE RUN. >> JUST A YES OR NO, YOU STILL DO NOT HAVE A PLAN? >> I HAVE CONCEPT OF A PLAN. I'M NOT PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW. IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING, I WOULD ONLY CHANGE IT IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS BETTER AND LESS EXPENSIVE. THERE ARE CONCEPTS AND OPTIONS WE HAVE TWO DO THAT AND YOU WILL BE HEARING ABOUT IT IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, IN 2017, YOU SUPPORTED BERNIE SANDERS PROPOSAL TO DO AWAY WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE AND CREATE A GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. TWO YEARS LATER, YOU HAVE PROPOSED A PLAN THAT INCLUDED A PRIVATE ENTRANCE OPTION. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TODAY QUESTION >> ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT AND OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, PRIVATE HEALTH CARE OPTIONS. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAINTAIN AND GROW THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. WILL GET TO THAT, I JUST NEED TO RESPOND TO A PREVIOUS POINT THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS MADE. I MADE VERY CLEAR MY POSITION ON FRACKING AND THEN THIS BUSINESS ABOUT TAKING EVERYONE'S GUNS AWAY, TIM WALZ AND I ARE BOTH GUN OWNERS. WE ARE NOT TAKING ANYBODY'S GUNS AWAY. STOP WITH THE CONTINUOUS LYING ABOUT THIS STUFF. AS IT RELATES TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, UNDERSTAND, LET'S LOOK AT THE HISTORY TO KNOW WHERE PEOPLE STAND. WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, 60 TIMES HE TRIED TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 60 TIMES. I WAS A SENATOR AT THE TIME. I WILL NEVER FORGET THE EARLY MORNING HOURS WHEN IT WAS UP FOR A VOTE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE LATE, GREAT JOHN McCAIN, WHO YOU HAVE DISPARAGED AS BEING, YOU DON'T LIKE HIM YOU SAID AT THE TIME BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT, HE WAS AN AMERICAN HERO. THE LATE GREAT JOHN McCAIN, I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT NIGHT, WALKED DOWN TO THE SENATE FLOOR AND SAID NO YOU DON'T. NO YOU DON'T. NO YOU DON'T GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. YOU HAVE NO PLAN. WHAT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS DONE IS ELIMINATE THE ABILITY OF INSURANCE COMPANIES TO DENY PEOPLE WITH PRE- EXISTING CONDITIONS. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE PEOPLE WATCHING TONIGHT, REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS LIKE? REMEMBER WHEN AN INSURANCE COMPANY COULD DENY IF A CHILD HAS ASTHMA, IF SOMEONE WAS A CANCER SURVIVOR? IF A GRANDPARENT HAS DIABETES? THANKFULLY, AS I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT AND WE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAVE STRENGTHENED THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, WE ALLOWED MEDICARE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES. ON BEHALF OF YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WAS GOING TO ALLOW MEDICARE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES, HE NEVER DID. WE DID. WE KEPT THE COST OF INSULIN AT $35 RESENTMENT. SINCE I'VE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT, WE KEPT THE COST OF PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION FOR SENIORS AT $2000.00 A YEAR. WHEN I AM PRESIDENT, WE WILL DO THAT FOR ALL PEOPLE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE VALUE I BRING TO THIS IS THAT ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE A RIGHT AND NOT JUST A PRIVILEGE OF THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. THE PLAN HAS TO BE TO STRENGTHEN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, NOT GET RID OF IT. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. I WANT TO MOVE TO AN ISSUE THAT IS IMPORTANT. >> SHE MADE A MISTAKE. NUMBER ONE, JOHN McCAIN THOUGHT OBAMACARE FOR 10 YEARS. IT WASN'T ONLY HIM, IT WAS ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS THAT KEPT IT GOING AND, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN DO MUCH BETTER THAN OBAMACARE, MUCH LESS MONEY. BUT, SHE WON'T IMPROVE PRIVATE INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE. PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE. THAT IS ANOTHER THING SHE DOESN'T WANT. PEOPLE ARE PAYING PRIVATELY FOR INSURANCE THAT HAVE WORKED HARD AND MADE MONEY AND THEY WANT TO HAVE PRIVATE. SHE WANTS EVERYBODY TO BE ON GOVERNMENT INSURANCE, WHERE YOU WAIT SIX MONTHS FOR AN OPERATION THAT YOU NEED. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, THANK YOU, WE HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER OF AMERICANS, IN PARTICULAR YOUNGER VOTERS, THAT IS CLIMATE CHANGE. PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, WITH REGARD TO THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU SAY "WE HAD TO CLEAN AIR AND CLEAN WATER." VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, CALL CLIMATE CHANGE "AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT." THE QUESTION TO YOU BOTH IS WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE? VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, WE WILL START WITH YOU. ONE MINUTE FOR YOU EACH. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND SAID CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX. WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT IT IS VERY REAL. YOU ASK ANYONE WHO LIVES IN A STATE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED THESE EXTREME WEATHER OCCURRENCES, WHO NOW IS EITHER BEING DENIED HOME INSURANCE OR IT IS BEING JACKED UP, YOU ASK ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF LOSING THEIR HOMES HAVING NOWHERE TO GO AND WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF AMERICA CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND I AM PROUD THAT AS VICE PRESIDENT, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE INVESTED $1 TRILLION IN A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY WHILE WE HAVE ALSO INCREASED DOMESTIC GAS PRODUCTION TO HISTORIC LEVELS. WE HAVE CREATED OVER 800,000 NEW MANUFACTURING JOBS WHILE I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT. WE HAVE INVESTED IN CLEAN ENERGY TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE OPENING UP FACTORIES AROUND THE WORLD. DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WAS GOING TO CREATE MANUFACTURING JOBS, HE LOST MANUFACTURING JOBS. I AM ALSO PROUD TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE UNITED AUTO WORKERS, WHO ALSO KNOW THAT PART OF BUILDING A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY INCLUDES INVESTING IN AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS, AMERICAN AUTOMOBILES. IT INCLUDES GROWING WHAT WE CAN DO AROUND AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AND OPENING UP OPTIMAL PLANTS, NOT CLOSING THEM LIKE HAPPENED UNDER DONALD TRUMP. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. >> THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPENED UNDER DONALD TRUMP. AUSTIN THOUSAND MANUFACTURING JOBS THIS LAST MONTH. IT IS GOING, THEY ARE ALL LEAVING. THEY ARE BUILDING BIG AUTO PLANTS IN MEXICO. IN MANY CASES, OWNED BY CHINA. THEY ARE BUILDING THESE MASSIVE PLANTS AND THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SELL THEIR CARS INTO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE, WHAT THEY HAVE GIVEN TO CHINA IS UNBELIEVABLE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THAT. WE WILL PUT TARIFFS ON THOSE CARDS SO THEY CAN'T COME INTO THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY COULD KILL UNITED AUTO WORKERS AND ANY AUTOWORKER, WHETHER IT IS IN DETROIT OR SOUTH CAROLINA OR ANY OTHER PLACE. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO BUSINESS AND MANUFACTURING IN THIS COUNTRY IS HORRIBLE. WE HAVE NOTHING BECAUSE THEY REFUSED. YOU KNOW, BIDEN DOESN'T GO AFTER PEOPLE. SUPPOSEDLY, CHINA PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HE'S AFRAID TO DO IT, BETWEEN HIM AND HIS SON, THEY GET ALL HIS MONEY FROM UKRAINE, THEY GET ALL THIS MONEY FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY IS HE SO LOYAL TO THIS ONE, THAT ONE, UKRAINE, CHINA, WHY DID HE GET $3.5 MILLION FROM THE MAKER OF MOSCOW'S WIFE? WHY DID HE GET, WHY DID SHE PAY THEM $3.5 MILLION? THIS IS A CROOKED ADMINISTRATION AND THEY ARE SELLING OUR COUNTRY DOWN THE TUBES. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP'S, THANK YOU. >> WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH CLOSING STATEMENTS FROM BOTH OF OUR CANDIDATES. AN HISTORIC NIGHT IN THIS ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FROM PHILADELPHIA, BACK IN A MOMENT. >> THE ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WILL CONTINUE AFTER THIS. >> IN A CAMPAIGN REPORTER AT THE WASHINGTON POST. I WANTED TO JOIN THE WASHINGTON POST TO WORK WITH THE BEST POLITICAL TEAM IN THE BUSINESS AND COVER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DETERMINE WHO WINS THIS ELECTION. BEING OUT IN THE FIELD IS ESSENTIAL TO COVERING THE CAMPAIGN. I AM CONSTANTLY ON THE TRAIL, GOING TO DIFFERENT CANDIDATES EVENTS, DRIVING AROUND THE COUNTRY, FLYING AROUND THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE A LOT OF VOTERS WHO ARE HESITANT ABOUT THIS GENERAL ELECTION. I WOULD SAY MY MOST INTERESTING INTERVIEWS IN THE PAST YEAR COVERING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE HAVE NOT BEEN WITH THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES BUT WITH THE VOTERS WHO ARE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND HEARING ABOUT WHAT ISSUES ARE MOTIVATING OR NOT MOTIVATING THEM TO TURN OUT TO VOTE. FOR ME, THE GREATEST SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT IN MY REPORTING COMES FROM WHEN A READER IS ABLE TO TELL ME THAT MY STORY IS HELP THEM BETTER UNDERSTAND AN ISSUE AND BEING ABLE TO TELL THE STORY IS THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE HEAR FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IS REALLY A PRIVILEGE AND WE ARE TRYING TO TELL THE STORIES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> MOTHER TERESA COULD NOT BEAT THESE CHARGES. >> WELCOME TO THE TRUMP TRIALS, SIDEBAR, A NEW PODCAST FROM THE WASHINGTON POST. I'M LIBBY CASEY. EVERY WEEK ALONGSIDE RHONDA COLVIN AND JAMES HOHMANN, WE BREAKDOWN THE LATEST NEWS AND LEGAL BATTLES AS DONALD TRUMP RAMPS UP HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE SERIOUS. >> THE FIRST TIME A U.S. PRESIDENT IS IN COURT AS A DEFENDANT. >> WE ALSO HAVE SOME FUN RHONDA, IF YOU COULD HAVE ANY JOB IN THE COURT OTHER THAN JOURNALIST, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> I WOULD ENJOY BEING THE BAILIFF. YOU NEVER WROTE A STORY ABOUT SOMEONE MESSING WITH THE BAILIFF. >> OUR COLLEAGUES SHARE THEIR INSIGHTS COOPS. DO YOU HAVE A SENSE THE JURY HAS THAT WEIGHT BEARING ON THE QUESTION >> THEY KNOW THEY ARE PART OF HISTORY. >> STICK AROUND TO GET REAL. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NUGGETS AND THINGS YOU HAVE LEARNED ABOUT JURORS THIS WEEK? >> HE TALKED ABOUT HIS PUBLIC ACCESS TV SHOW. >> WANTS THE TRUMP TRIALS SIDEBAR ON YOUTUBE OR LISTEN TO US ON YOUR FAVORITE PODCAST PLATFORM TODAY. >> I'M CLEVE WOOTSON, I'M A REPORTER FOR THE WASHINGTON POST, I WORK FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TEAM. I WANTED TO COME TO THE WASHINGTON POST BECAUSE IT IS SOME OF THE BEST JOURNALISM GOING ON IN AMERICA. A TYPICAL DAY ON THE WHITE HOUSE TO BEAT CAN BE ANYTHING BUT TYPICAL . THE PRESIDENT IS IN TOWN, I AM ALSO IN TOWN. IF THE PRESIDENT IS TRAVELING, I OR ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE ALSO TRAVELING, JUST WRITING ABOUT NOT JUST WHAT HE'S DOING BUT ALSO WRITING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF WHAT HE'S DOING AND HOW VOTERS, HOW AMERICANS FEEL ABOUT THAT. IF I HAD TO DESCRIBE THE POLITICAL TEAM HERE, ONE THING THAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT OUR COVERAGE, WE HAVE HYPOTHESES BUT WE DON'T HAVE ASSUMPTIONS. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE AS OPPOSED TO WHERE WE ASSUME THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT MAKES US REALLY DISTINCT. CRITICAL, OBJECTIVE JOURNALISM IS REALLY IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING. I TRIED TO DO, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO JUST CALL IT LIKE IT IS. THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR WORLD AND THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR OWN INFORMED DECISION. >> I AM YOUR WARRIOR, I AM YOUR JUSTICE. I AM YOUR RETRIBUTION. >> I TOOK ON PERPETRATORS OF ALL KINDS. I KNOW DONALD TRUMP'S TYPE. >> THE 2024 ELECTION IS IN FULL SWING. FOR EVERY KEY CAMPAIGN MOMENT, THE WASHINGTON POST IS THERE , BRINGING YOU LIVE COVERAGE, WITH INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS. FROM LANDMARK SUPREME COURT DECISIONS TO THE SENTENCING OF DONALD TRUMP. WE WILL BE ON LOCATION REPORTING LIVE FROM THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTIONS AND THE PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. IT ALL LEADS UP TO OUR 2024 ELECTION NIGHT SPECIAL, DIVIDING REAL-TIME RAKES CALLS, LIFE UPDATES FROM REPORTERS ON THE GROUND, MONITORING THE PIVOTAL RACES THAT WILL DETERMINE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY. NO ONE COVERS POLITICS AND ELECTIONS LIKE THE WASHINGTON POST , BECAUSE DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS. >> LIFE FROM THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER IN PENNSYLVANIA, HERE AGAIN, DAVID MUIR AND LINSEY DAVIS. >> THE PLAINTIFF, THE TIME HAS COME FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, WE BEGIN WITH YOU. >> I THINK YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT TWO VERY DIFFERENT DIVISIONS FOR OUR COUNTRY, ONE THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE INTO THE OTHER THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE PAST AND AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE US BACKWARD. WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US AND WE CAN CHART A NEW WAY FORWARD. AND, A VISION OF THAT INCLUDES HAVING A PLAN, UNDERSTANDING THE ASPIRATIONS, THE DREAMS, THE HOPES, THE AMBITION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY I INTEND TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY, INVESTING IN SMALL BUSINESSES, IN NEW FAMILIES, IN WHAT WE CAN DO AROUND PROTECTING SENIORS, WHAT WE CAN DO THAT IS ABOUT GIVING HARD- WORKING FOLKS A BREAK AND BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF LIVING. I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER THAT IS ABOUT SUSTAINING AMERICA'S STANDING IN THE WORLD AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE RESPECT THAT WE SO RIGHTLY DESERVE, INCLUDING RESPECTING OUR MILITARY AND ENSURING WE HAVE THE MOST LETHAL FIGHTING FORCE IN THE WORLD. I WILL BE A PRESIDENT THAT WILL PROTECT OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, INCLUDING THE RIGHT OF A WOMAN TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HER OWN BODY AND NOT HAVE HER GOVERNMENT TELL HER WHAT TO DO. I TELL YOU, I STARTED MY CAREER AS A PROSECUTOR. I WANT A.D.A., I WAS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL, A UNITED STATES SENATOR AND VICE PRESIDENT. I'VE ONLY HAD ONE CLIENT, THE PEOPLE. AS A PROSECUTOR, I NEVER ASKED IF VICTIM OR A WITNESS, ARE YOU A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT? THE ONLY THING I EVER ASKED OF THEM, ARE YOU OKAY? THAT IS THE KIND OF PRESIDENT WE NEED RIGHT NOW, SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT YOU AND IS NOT PUTTING THEMSELVES FIRST. I INTEND TO BE A PRESIDENT FOR ALL AMERICANS AND FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN DO OVER THE NEXT 10 AND 20 YEARS TO BUILD BACK UP COUNTRY BY INVESTING RIGHT NOW IN YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> CHEETAH STARTED BY SAYING SHE'S GOING TO DO THIS, SHE'S GOING TO DO THAT, SHE'S GOING TO DO ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS. THEY'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO FIX THE BORDER, THEY'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO CREATE JOBS. ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE SHOULD LEAVE RIGHT NOW, GO DOWN TO THAT BEAUTIFUL WHITE HOUSE, GO TO THE CAPITOL, GET EVERYONE TOGETHER AND DO THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT AND YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN. YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO FRACKING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE FOSSIL FUEL, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY STRONG, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. GERMANY TRIED THAT AND WITHIN ONE YEAR, THEY WERE BACK TO BUILDING NORMAL ENERGY PLANTS. WE ARE NOT READY FOR IT. WE CAN'T SACRIFICE OUR COUNTRY FOR THE SAKE OF THAT VISION. I ASK ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. WHY DIDN'T SHE DO IT? WE ARE A FAILING NATION, WE ARE A NATION THAT IS IN SERIOUS DECLINE. WE ARE BEING LAUGHED AT ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALL OVER THE WORLD, I KNOW THE LEADERS VERY WELL, THEY ARE COMING TO SEE ME, THEY CALL ME. WE ARE LAUGHED AT ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED TO US AS A NATION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON. WE HAVE WARS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST, WE HAVE WARS GOING ON WITH THE RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. WE ARE GOING TO END UP IN A THIRD WORLD WAR AND IT WILL BE A WAR LIKE NO OTHER BECAUSE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, THE POWER OF WEAPONRY. I REBUILT OUR ENTIRE MILITARY. SHE GAVE A LOT OF IT AWAY TO THE TALIBAN. SHE GAVE IT TO AFGHANISTAN. WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND MAYBE TOUGHEST OF ALL, ALLOWING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, MANY OF THEM ARE CRIMINALS. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. THE WORST PRESIDENT, THE WORST VICE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU. THAT IS OUR ABC NEWS DENTAL DEBATE FROM HERE IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE NATIONAL CONSTITUTION CENTER. I'M LINSEY DAVIS. >> I'M DAVID MUIR. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING HERE IN THE U.S. AND ALL OVER THE WORLD. FROM ALL OF US AT ABC NEWS, GOOD NIGHT. >> THIS IS COVERAGE WITH THE WASHINGTON POST OF THIS SIMULCAST ABC NEWS DEBATE. JOIN US NOW FOR LIVE COVERAGE AS I AM JOINED BY JM RIEGER , SENIOR VIDEO JOURNALIST AND JAMES HOHMANN, EDITORIAL WRITER AND COLUMNIST, AS WE DIGEST ALL OF WHAT WE WITNESSED. FIREWORKS AND ANGRY TRUMP, A FOCUSED KAMALA HARRIS. BOTH ACROSS POINTS THEY WANTED TO MAKE. KAMALA HARRIS WAS ABLE TO FLIP DONALD TRUMP INTO DEFENSIVE MODE QUITE A BIT OF THE TIME. WE WILL TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT WITH MIKUS AS WELL AS RHONDA COLVIN, WHO IS IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE SITE OF TONIGHT'S DEBATE. RHONDA, WHAT ARE THE KEY MOMENTS THAT STAND OUT FOR YOU TONIGHT? >> Reporter: THERE WERE SO MANY. YOU SAID IT APPROPRIATELY. ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS, WHEN WE COVER THESE THINGS, WE ARE WONDERING WHAT TYPE OF DONALD TRUMP WE WILL GET. AT 9:09 IS WHEN HE STARTED TO GET VERY ANGRY AND IT DID NOT APPEAR THAT HE REBOUNDED FROM THAT. HE SEEMED DEFENSIVE THROUGHOUT. IT DID SHOW THAT HARRIS KNEW HOW TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN. THAT IS A STRATEGY, WE REPORTED ON THAT. EVEN WHEN BIDEN WAS RUNNING, THAT WAS A PART OF WHAT THE CAMPAIGN WANTED TO DO WAS GET UNDER TRUMP'S SKIN AND HAVE HIM BE HIM. THAT IS SOMETHING SHE WAS ABLE TO DO TONIGHT. BODY LANGUAGE. I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER WITH YOU ALL, BODY LANGUAGE MIGHT BE A BIG DEAL. IT ALWAYS IS AT DEBATE, OPTICS ARE. IN AN ELECTION THAT IS SO TIGHT AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MEET KAMALA HARRIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, BODY LANGUAGE IS KEY AND YOU SAW DIFFERENT MOMENTS WHERE TRUMP WOULD NOT LOOK AT HER WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING. THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF GRACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO. THERE WERE TIMES SHE JUST PUT HER HEAD IN HER HANDS AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM AS HE MADE POINTS AND LET HIM RAMBLE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VOTERS WHO ARE UNDECIDED WANT TO DECIDE THEIR VOTE ON TONE, THAT MIGHT MATTER TO THEM. I ALSO NOTICED THERE WERE SOME VULNERABILITIES FOR HARRIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY THE ORDER. OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HER STANCE ON AND, OVERALL, THERE WERE MANY TIMES WHERE THEY GOT INTO AN ISSUE OF SUBSTANCE BUT YOU SAW THAT IT WAS DERAILED BY TRUMP'S ANSWERS, WHERE HE RAMBLED, MUCH LIKE HE DOES AT RALLIES. ONE CASE IN POINT IS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BORDER BILL. IT HAS BEEN A LONGTIME DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINT THIS YEAR THAT DEMOCRATS SAY REPUBLICANS TANKED THE BORDER BILL THAT WAS BIPARTISAN IN CONGRESS BECAUSE TRUMP CALLED AND SAID DON'T VOTE ON IT, I WANT TO MAKE THIS A VOTING ISSUE. WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHY DAVID MUIR, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT YOU TOLD REPUBLICANS TO TAKE THAT DEAL, HE PIVOTED AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE PIVOTED TO WAS THE STORY MANY PEOPLE MAY HAVE HEARD FOR THE FIRST TIME ABOUT CLAIMS THAT PETS ARE BEING TAKEN FROM HOMES IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO AND EATEN. IT WAS A BIZARRE MOMENT AND THAT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE TIMES WHERE THERE WAS A QUESTION OF SUBSTANCE ON THE TABLE AND IT SEEMED TO BE DERAILED BY TRUMP GOING ON IN AN ANGRY WAY. I THINK, RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THOSE COMING INTO THE SPIN ROOM TO TELL US HOW EACH CANDIDATE DID THE, I'M SURE WE WILL HEAR FROM THE TRUMP SITE THAT HE DID WELL. I NOTICED THERE CAMPAIGN PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING THAT HE WON THE DEBATE, HE SHARED HIS WORLD VISION. THEY SAID THAT 20 MINUTES AGO, BEFORE THE DEBATE ENDED. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SCRIPTED. I'M SURE WE WILL HEAR FROM THE HARRIS PEOPLE THAT SHE DID A GREAT JOB AS WELL. WE WILL BE HERE TRYING TO MONITOR THOSE RESPONSES FROM BOTH CAMPS. OVERALL, IT DOES LOOK LIKE HARRIS CAME IN KNOWING THE JOB SHE HAD TO DO AND WE WILL HAVE TO SEE IN THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS WHAT PULLING HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE JOB SHE DID TONIGHT. >> IF YOU DON'T PUSH THOSE OUT FROM THE CAMPAIGN, YOU ARE FIRED. IT IS LIKE THE NUMBER ONE JOB, SAYING THE DEBATE ENDED WELL. WHAT ARE YOUR TAKEAWAYS, JAMES? >> THIS DEBATE WAS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, IT WAS NOT ABOUT, HARRIS. WE HEARD TRUMP SAY WHAT I THINK HE HAS PREPARED TO SAY THAT HE REPEATEDLY TOOK THE BAIT RHONDA WAS TALKING ABOUT. HE WAS ON THE DEFENSIVE FROM 10 MINUTES IN, EVERY TIME KAMALA HARRIS THREW SOME CHUM IN THE WATER, HE SWAM AFTER IT, FROM TALKING ABOUT CROWD SIZE AND RALLIES AND PEOPLE LEAVING TO THE TALIBAN AND TO JOHN McCAIN AND OTHER EXAMPLES. TRUMP SOUNDED ANGRY, EVEN UNHINGED AT TIMES. THIS DEBATE WAS A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP. IF THIS ELECTION IS A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP, KAMALA HARRIS WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT. SHE WAS ABLE TO KEEP HIM ON THE DEFENSIVE, SHE WAS ABLE TO KEEP THE DEBATE ABOUT HIM AND NOT HER. >> YET, AHEAD OF TIME, AS WE WERE PREVIEWING WHAT WAS TO COME, THE FOCUS WAS ON KAMALA HARRIS, HOW WOULD SHE PERFORM TONIGHT, HOW WOULD SHE BE JUDGED BY THE VIEWING AUDIENCE? >> I THINK THAT THE DEBATE, IN SOME WAYS, WAS ABOUT HARRIS IN THIS SENSE. HARRIS NEEDED THE DEBATE MORE THAN TRUMP JUST BECAUSE HARRIS WAS THE LESSER KNOWN QUANTITY. I THINK THAT HARRIS, TO JAMES'S POINT, MADE THE DEBATE ABOUT TRUMP BECAUSE SHE THROUGHOUT THIS BAIT AND, AS YOU APTLY PUT IT, HE SWAM AFTER IT. THAT HAPPENED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. EVEN ON IMMIGRATION, AS RHONDA WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS ARGUABLY HIS BEST ISSUE, HE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. THAT WAS SORT OF THE THEME TONIGHT FOR TRUMP. IT WAS A DEBATE OF MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. HE FAILED TO DEFINE HARRIS. EVEN THE WHOLE TALKING ABOUT PINNING HER TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, TALKING ABOUT WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT THE LAST THREE AND HALF YEARS, HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT UNTIL THE FINAL FEW MINUTES. >> I LOVE WHAT RHONDA BROUGHT UP ABOUT BODY LANGUAGE. RIGHT FROM THE GET-GO, KAMALA HARRIS TOOK THE INITIATIVE, SHOOK HIS HAND, BROKE THAT BARRIER, THAT WALL AND THEN, THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE, SHE WAS LOOKING AT HIM, SHE WAS WATCHING HIM, SHE WAS REACTING TO HIM. HE WOULD NOT LOOK AT HER. HE ADDRESSED DAVID MUIR A LOT. HE DIDN'T INTERACT, OUR COLLEAGUE WAS POINTING OUT IN THE LIVE CHAT THAT THE POST HAS, YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR REPORTERS WERE WATCHING AND ANALYZING, TRUMP WASN'T LOOKING OR ENGAGING WITH LINSEY DAVIS , THE OTHER MODERATOR. THE WOMEN ON THE STAGE WERE INVISIBLE TO HIM. HE WAS TOTALLY FOCUSED ON DAVID MUIR. >> HE WOULDN'T ANSWER WHEN DAVID MUIR PRESSED HIM ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS INCLUDING WHETHER HE WOULD ASSIGN A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN IF IT CAME TO HIS DESK, WHETHER HE WANTS UKRAINE TO WIN THE WAR AGAINST RUSSIA, WHETHER HE HAS ANY REGRETS ABOUT JANUARY 6th, WHETHER HE THINKS HE LOST THE 2020 ELECTION, WHETHER HE HAS A REPLACEMENT FOR THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IN MIND. ONE OF THE VIRAL MOMENTS OF TONIGHT WILL BE TRUMP'S SIDING "I HAVE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN." IT DID FEEL LIKE TRUMP HAS HIS EYE ON ONE OF THE MODERATORS AND NOT THE OTHER. >> RHONDA, YOU WERE THERE ON SITE IN PHILADELPHIA. THIS WAS A CLOSED SET, IT DIDN'T HAVE A LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCE. WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO BE IN THE FILING CENTER, IN THE SPIN ROOM AND WATCH HOW EVERYONE WAS INTERPRETING AND FOCUSING ON HOW THE CANDIDATES RESPONDED TO QUESTIONS? >> Reporter: IT WAS A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE HERE. OF COURSE, MOST OF US ARE ALL JOURNALISTS. THERE ARE ROWS AND ROWS OF TABLES BEHIND ME. THAT IS THE MEDIUM FILING CENTER. EVERYONE, YOU COULD PROBABLY HERE AT MOMENTS A PIN DROP IN HERE. EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE WHERE THIS WAS GOING. THERE WERE MOMENTS OF LAUGHTER OR JUST EVEN JUST STUNNED A LITTLE BIT WITH SOMETIMES HOW IT WENT OFF THE RAILS ON THE TRUMP SITE. IT ALMOST FELT LIKE A MOVIE THEATER, HONESTLY. THERE WERE SEVERAL SCREENS IN THIS ROOM AND SURROUND SOUND. WE WERE CAPTIVE AUDIENCES TRYING TO TAKE THIS IN. THAT DOES BRING UP ANOTHER POINT THAT MIGHT ALSO MAKE TRUMP AND HOW HE CAME ACROSS A LITTLE MORE ANGRIER THEN MAYBE HIS CAMPAIGN WOULD HAVE LIKED. IT COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE THERE WAS A ROOM THAT HAS NO AUDIENCE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE RULES OF THE DEBATE, THEY WERE SIMILAR TO THAT OF CNN. THERE WAS NO STUDIO AUDIENCE. YOU CAN SEE WITH THE MODERATORS, THEY ASKED VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS. THEY WERE SUBDUED. TO HAVE HIM RAISE HIS VOICE MAY HAVE MADE HIM LOOK EVEN ANGRIER. OPTICS ARE IMPORTANT AND KEY IN DEBATE. I KNOW, AS WE ALL ARE, WE WILL BE WAITING FOR THE NUMBERS TO SEE IF ANYTHING CHANGES SLIGHTLY. EVEN AFTER BIDEN DECIDED TO STEP ASIDE, THE POLLING HAS BEEN THE SAME. IT HAS BEEN TIGHT. IT IS NECK AND NECK IN PENNSYLVANIA. YOU HAVE TO WONDER, WILL TRUMP SOCIETY ACHED IN VOTES OR DOES ANYTHING CHANGE? >> THE YELLING REALLY DOES STAND OUT WHEN IT IS A QUIET SET AND THE OTHER THREE PEOPLE ARE KEEPING THEIR FORCES MODULATED AND IS NOT THE CROWD TO REINFORCE IT OR SUPPORT IT OR APPLAUD IT. RHONDA, I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP FROM EARLIER THIS EVENING. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW DONALD TRUMP WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH IMMIGRATION AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AREA HE WAS TO HAVE SOME REALLY STRONG POINTS ON. AT ONE POINT THIS EVENING, DONALD TRUMP PUSHED THE FALSE, AND DEHUMANIZING CLAIM, THAT IMMIGRANTS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, ARE KILLING AND EATING PEOPLE'S PETS. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN. >> WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO OUR COUNTRY BY ALLOWING THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE TOWNS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. A LOT OF TOWNS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE AN HOUR OR SPRINGFIELD, A LOT OF TOWNS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMBARRASSED BY IT. IN SPRINGFIELD, THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN, THEY ARE EATING THE CATS, THEY ARE EATING THEY ARE EATING THE PETS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. >> FACT CHECK, THAT IS NOT TRUE. JM, I WILL GET IT TO RESPOND. LET'S NOTE THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS GIVING THE REACTION. UNLIKE TRUMP, SHE WASN'T JUST LOOKING DOWN. >> THE FACT THAT SHE WAS LAUGHING GIVES THE GAME AWAY. SHE WAS CHUCKLING AT THIS ABSURD CLAIM. IT IS NOT TRUE, IT IS NONSENSE. THE CITY OF SPRINGFIELD ITSELF SAID THIS IS NOT TRUE. IT IS THIS THEME WE HAVE HEARD FROM TRUMP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE HEARD AT THE CONVENTION, THE OTHER RING OF IMMIGRANTS. I WILL SAY I NOTICED ON X THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS CLINGING ONTO THIS CLAIM THAT WAS PUSHING IT FURTHER WAS ALEX JONES. THIS IS NOT WHERE TRUMP, ONE THING WE SORT OF OBSERVED AS WE WERE SITTING HERE WATCHING THE DEBATE WAS HOW LITTLE TRUMP TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE. IT WAS VERY GRIEVANCE FILLED, IT WAS A VERY BACKWARDS LOOKING, FOR THE MOST PART. THERE WERE A COUPLE MONTHS WERE LIKE WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT THE LAST THREE AND HALF YEARS WHILE YOU WERE IN OFFICE. FOR THE MOST PART, AGAIN, THIS WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND WHAT WAS A FALSEHOOD AFTER FALSEHOOD AFTER FALSEHOOD FROM TRUMP, WHETHER IT WAS TALKING ABOUT JANUARY 6, TALKING ABOUT THE SPRINGFIELD, OHIO THING. WHETHER IT WAS HIM TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF TARIFFS AND ECONOMISTS BROADLY DISAGREE WITH HOW HE WAS CHARACTERIZING THAT AT THE TOP OF THE DEBATE. THAT WAS A THEME THROUGHOUT. >> ONE OF THE ISSUES WE WERE WATCHING TONIGHT TO COME UP WAS ABORTION AND IT WAS FRONT AND CENTER. BOTH CANDIDATES WEIGHED IN, LET'S LISTEN. >> HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK SAYS ABORTION IN THE NINTH MONTH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE. HE ALSO SAYS EXECUTION AFTER BIRTH, EXECUTION, NO LONGER ABTION BECAUSE THE BABY IS BORN IS OKAY. THAT IS NOT OKAY WITH ME. >> I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT REINSTATING THE PREDICTIONS OF ROE V WADE. AS YOU RIGHTLY MENTIONED, NOWHERE IN AMERICA IS A WOMAN CARRYING A PREGNANCY TO TERM AND ASKING FOR AN ABORTION. THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. IT IS INSULTING TO THE WOMEN OF AMERICA. UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S ABORTION BANS. >> THAT IS AN EXCHANGE FROM EARLIER ON THE SIMULCAST ABC NEWS PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. JAMES. >> THIS IS A WINNING ISSUE FOR KAMALA HARRIS. DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE, TRAINING, AS HIS CONSULTANTS TELL HIM, TO PORTRAY DEMOCRATS AS THE ONES WHO ARE EXTREME. KAMALA HARRIS REBUTTED THAT BY SAYING THAT SHE WOULD REINSTATE THE ROE V WADE STANDARD, WHICH ALLOWED RESTRICTIONS IN THE THIRD TRIMESTER. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING ELEMENTS OF THE ABORTION EXCHANGE WASN'T JUST THAT TRUMP WOULDN'T SAY WHETHER HE WOULD SIGN A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN IF IT CAME TO HIS DESK, J.D. VANCE, WHO IS, HAS BEEN VERY STRONGLY ANTIABORTION SAID TRUMP WOULD VETO IT. WHAT WAS MOST REVEALING IN THAT WAS TRUMP SAYING THAT IT WAS THE GOVERNOR OF WEST VIRGINIA, NOT THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA, TALKING ABOUT RALPH NORTHAM. IT WAS INDICATIVE OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TIMES WHERE TRUMP MISSPOKE. I THOUGHT HE SHOWED HIS AGE TONIGHT. OBVIOUSLY, THE DEBATE ON JUNE 27th, JOE BIDEN WAS THE ONE WHO SHOWED HIS AGE. HE'S 78, TRUMP IS. HE WOULD BE THE OLDEST PRESIDENT IF HE GETS ELECTED AND THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AND MIXING SENTENCES UP AND I THINK, POLITELY, YOU COULD CALL TANGENTIALITY, WHERE HE WAS JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE. YOU SAW IT IN THE ABORTION EXCHANGE, YOU SAW IT A BUNCH MORE TIMES AS THE PROGRAM WENT ON. >> RHONDA, ONE OF THE THINGS KAMALA HARRIS DID WAS INVITE PEOPLE TO ATTEND DONALD TRUMP'S RALLIES, SOMETHING SHE PREPARED TO SAY IN ADVANCE. SHE WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT THE NATURE OF HOW HE TALKS AND HOW HE RAMBLES AT TIMES AND IF YOU GO TO ISRAELIS OR LISTEN TO THEM AS WE OFTEN DO, THAT IS PART FOR THE COURSE. HOW DOES IT MATTER MORE IN A SCENARIO LIKE THIS, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SUCH A CAPTIVE AND INTERESTED AUDIENCE TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THESE CANDIDATES? >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, THAT EXCHANGE WHERE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS RALLIES AND THE OLD PLAYBOOK HE KEEPS USING, THAT WAS ANOTHER MOMENT I THINK MIGHT HAVE BEEN A STRATEGIC MOVE TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN. SHE ALSO SAID THAT PEOPLE ARE LEAVING HIS RALLIES BECAUSE THEY ARE TIRED AND EXHAUSTED. THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE IT WAS A SHOTS FIRED MOMENT ON HER PART, KNOWING THAT CROWD SIZE IS SOMETHING HE CARES DEEPLY ABOUT. I WILL TELL YOU ALL, FOR SOME LOCAL COLOR, OUTSIDE OF THIS CONVENTION CENTER, I NOTICED YESTERDAY THERE WAS A HUGE BILLBOARD THAT SAYS "CROWD SIZE MATTERS," AND HAS A PRETZEL ON IT, A HALF PRETZEL FOR TRUMP AND A FULL PRETZEL FOR HARRIS. IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE HUMOR THAT THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN WANTS PEOPLE TO SEE ON THE STREET OR PEOPLE ENTERING THE CONVENTION CENTER TO TALK ABOUT CROWN SIZE. THEY KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GETS UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE BORDER AT ONE TIME AND HE ASKED IF HE COULD GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT CROWD SIZE. IT MIGHT SEEM MINIMAL, IT IS A PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE THAT HARRIS DESIGNED HER PERFORMANCE TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN AND LET HIM RAMBLE IN A WAY THAT MIGHT BE DETRIMENTAL TO HIM. >> SHE PUT THE BAIT OUT, LAID THE TRAP AND HE WALKED RIGHT INTO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. HE ALSO SAID HE DIDN'T DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH J.D. VANCE, BACK TO THE QUESTION OF ABORTION AND THAT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE HE IS CREATING DAYLIGHT AND DISTANCE BETWEEN HIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL. >> WHAT IS IRONIC IS THAT J.D. VANCE SAID THAT TO BE ON THE TEAM. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO BUT HE WAS TRYING TO PULL PEOPLE IN. >> TO SHOW HE WAS IN THE SAME PLACE TRUMP IS AND TRUMP IS SAYING I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT WITH J.D. VANCE. IT IS A REMINDER THAT TRUMP IS HIS OWN PERSON AND IT'S ALSO A REMINDER THAT THE LAST PERSON WHO HAS THAT JOB AS TRUMP'S RUNNING MATE IS NOT SUPPORTING HIM, MIKE PENCE, BECAUSE IT IS THIS IMPOSSIBLE POSITION TO BE IN. >> WE ARE SEEING THE SPIN ROOM AND THE MAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, J.D. VANCE IS THERE, TALKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND HOW THINGS WENT TONIGHT. JM . OKAY. SO, LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS AND WHERE WE GO. EVERYONE WILL BE SPINNING AND TRYING TO GET THEIR SLICE OF OPINIONS HERE. >> THIS RACE IS A DEAD HEAT. THE BATTLEGROUND STATES ARE ALL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR IN THE THE WASHINGTON POST POLLING AVERAGE. EVERY SINGLE BATTLEGROUND IS A STATISTICAL TIE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN HARRIS AND TRUMP. THE QUESTION FOR THIS DEBATE IS HOW MUCH THIS MOVES THE NEEDLE. I THINK HARRIS DID WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO A LITTLE BIT. >> LET'S SEE IF WE CAN HEAR WHAT J.D. VANCE IS A SAYING IN THE SPIN ROOM. >> HE REMINDED PENNSYLVANIANS THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS RUNNING AWAY FROM HER RECORD AT EVERY SINGLE STEP. SHE WANTS TO BAN FRACKING. KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN BLESSED. >> TALKING ABOUT RUNNING AWAY FROM HER RECORD AND THAT IS THE KEY THING THEY ARE TRYING TO GET TO PENNSYLVANIANS. YOU CAN HEAR THAT BEING THE MESSAGE HE'S TRYING TO HIT HOME. PENNSYLVANIA, SUCH A KEY STATE, JAMES BEARD >> PENNSYLVANIA IS A KEY STATE. IT IS STRIKING KAMALA HARRIS DID FIVE DAYS OF DEBATE PREPARATION IN PITTSBURGH, WHICH WE SAW PAY OFF. BUT CANDIDATES ARE SPENDING MORE MONEY THERE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE, THEY ARE VISITING THERE MORE THAN ANYWHERE. IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY ARE KEEN TO TALK ABOUT FRACKING, THE VOTE IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA COULD BE CRITICAL. OF COURSE, BIDEN WON PENNSYLVANIA WITH HARRIS BY 100,000 VOTES FOUR YEARS AGO. >> THIS, AGAIN, I THINK TRUMP MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PIN HARRIS DOWN ON SOME OF THIS. HE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER FLIP-FLOPS, HER PAST POSITIONS ON THINGS. HE DIDN'T TALK AT LENGTH ABOUT IT. HE GOT BOGGED DOWN TALKING ABOUT THINGS IN THE PAST, ESPECIALLY THINGS THAT HE WAS PLAYING, HE WAS PLAYING DEFENSE THROUGHOUT A LOT OF THE DEBATE. THAT MADE, AGAIN, IT IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. HIS BASE IS SO ENTHUSIASTIC AND SO BAKED IN, I AM A LITTLE SKEPTICAL IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH IT HURTS HIM IN THAT SENSE. BUT, IF THERE WAS ANY CHANCE TO DEFINE HER IN THE FINAL STRETCH HERE, WE ARE DAYS, WEEKS AWAY FROM FOLKS STARTING TO VOTE IN THIS ELECTION. THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THIS BECOMES THE ONLY DEBATE THAT HAPPENS. I DON'T KNOW IF TRUMP NEEDED TO DO WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO. HARRIS, ON THE OTHER HAND, WAS RIVETING REPEATEDLY TO FUTURE STUFF, TALKING ABOUT HOW TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN, I HAVE A PLAN, TALKING ABOUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT YOUR FUTURE, ADDRESSING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DIRECTLY TO CAMERA MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE. SHE PIVOTED ISSUES BACK. EVEN THE FIRST QUESTION OF THE TOP OF THE DEBATE, DAVID MUIR ASKED THE EQUIVALENT OF ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO AND SHE PIVOTED THAT TO A LITTLE BIT OF FRIENDLIER TERRAIN FOR HERSELF. TRUMP DIDN'T FOLLOW UP ON THAT. TRUMP DIDN'T SAY YOU ARE NOT BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO, WHICH IS A STRONG LINE THAT RESONATES WITH SOME FOLKS. >> RHONDA, A LOT OF FOCUS ON FOREIGN-POLICY TONIGHT. WE HEARD DEBATE ABOUT AFGHANISTAN AND THE WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN. WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT GUNS IN AMERICA AND SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. IT DID, GUN CONTROL IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT DID COME UP BRIEFLY WHEN KAMALA HARRIS DEFENDED HER POSITION AND SAID SHE AND TIM WALZ ARE BOTH GUN OWNERS. WHAT ARE YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF THAT? HOW THE CANDIDATES DEALT WITH THAT ISSUE. >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOTABLE BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS USUALLY GO TOWARD IN A GENERAL CYCLE, CITING DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE SECOND AMENDMENT, CHANGE GUN LAWS AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GUN OWNERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, IF THAT WERE TRUE. IT APPEARED THAT HARRIS PUT IT TO BED VERY QUICKLY. SHE DID SAY, AS YOU POINTED OUT, SHE AND HER RUNNING MATE ARE BOTH GUN OWNERS AND NO ONE IS TAKING GUNS AWAY. IT IS A FAMILIAR REFRAIN WE OFTEN HEAR DURING ELECTION TIME. ACTUALLY, IT STOOD OUT TO ME THAT THAT ISSUE DIDN'T COME UP EARLIER. BUT, THIS IS A CYCLE WHERE THAT IS NOT THE FIRST ISSUE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VOTING ON. IT IS ONE THAT IS SALIENT WITH VOTERS. I NOTICED LAST NIGHT WATCHING LOCAL TV HERE, THERE ARE ADS TALKING ABOUT GUN RIGHTS SAYING DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS. IT IS A FAMILIAR REFRAIN WE HEAR IN MOST ELECTIONS. I THINK FOR DEMOCRATS, THEY PROBABLY ARE VERY PLEASED WITH HOW HARRIS HANDLED THAT ANSWER, SAYING SHE WAS A GUN OWNER, WHICH IS SOMETHING MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN AND THAT ALSO POINTING OUT THAT TIM WALZ IS ONE AS WELL. >> NOTABLE, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THERE WAS A SCHOOL SHOOTING LAST WEEK IN GEORGIA, THAT WAS NOT A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION TONIGHT. THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON FOREIGN-POLICY, THAT IS WHAT THE MODERATORS CHOSE TO DRILL DOWN INTO. SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRUMP HERE. >> JM IS RIGHT, THERE WERE A LOT OF MISSED OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE HE WAS TAKING THE BAIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, INCLUDING ON THE ISSUES WERE HE HAS THE STRONGEST POLLING ADVANTAGES. ALL OF A SUDDEN, ON THE BORDER, WHICH IS A BIG STRENGTH, HE ENDS UP GETTING SIDETRACKED TALKING ABOUT PROJECT 2025 AND HOW HE HASN'T READ IT AND ISN'T GOING TO READ IT INSTEAD OF PROSECUTING HIS CASE AGAINST KAMALA HARRIS BUT ALSO FOR HIMSELF. I JUST HEARD FROM A DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVE WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN WHO SAYS THEIR DIAL TEST SHOWED AN OFF THE CHART GENDER GAP IN PERCEPTIONS, THAT MAN REALLY THOUGHT TRUMP WON THE DEBATE AND WOMEN OVERWHELMINGLY THOUGHT HARRIS WON THE DEBATE. WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE POLLS, OBVIOUSLY. YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT SPLIT WOOD BREAKTHROUGH. YOU ARE RIGHT. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, LIKE SCHOOL SHOOTING, SCHOOL VIOLENCE. >> FENTANYL WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS BARELY TOUCHED. >> TRUMP DIDN'T HIMSELF AS THE KINDER, GENTLER. >> FENTANYL HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR THE REPUBLICANS, THEY DIDN'T TAKE ANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE. WE HAVE TO WRAP UP SOON BUT A COUPLE THINGS OUR COLLEAGUES ARE TELLING US IS THAT LARA TRUMP IS SAYING TRUMP HAD A "FINE NIGHT" AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO MORE DEBATES. THE TRUMP TEAM IS TRYING TO GO ON OFFENSE AND THEY ARE ACCUSING THE MODERATORS OF DOING TOO MUCH FACT CHECKING. >> THAT WILL BE THE NARRATIVE COMING OUT AND WE ARE ALREADY HEARING IT FROM A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MODERATORS. WHEN YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MODERATORS, YOU ARE LOSING. THAT IS A RULE OF THUMB IN POLITICS. YOU CAN SEE IF YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE WATCHING THAT AT TIMES IT FELT LIKE THE MODERATORS WERE FACT CHECKING TRUMP MORE THAN THEY WERE FACT CHECKING HARRIS OR ASKING WHAT SEEMS LIKE POINTED QUESTIONS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE REPUBLICANS WHO LIKE TRUMP RALLY AROUND THE STADIUM THAT IT WAS A THREE ON ONE DEBATE, THAT OF THE MEDIUM WAS OUT TO GET TRUMP. ULTIMATELY, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE PERSUASIVE TO THOSE SWING VOTERS WHO ACTUALLY ARE, AS YOU NOTED, ARE GOING TO GO OUT AND START VOTING IN A COUPLE DAYS. WE ARE TRYING TO LISTEN TO POLICY AND TRUMP NEVER REALLY REBUTTED KAMALA HARRIS'S FRAME THAT SHE SAID AT THE TOP, WHICH WAS DONALD TRUMP IS ABOUT HIMSELF, I'M ABOUT YOU. DONALD TRUMP IS TALKING ABOUT PLANS FOR HIS FRIENDS, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU. HE NEVER REALLY REBUTTED THAT IN ANY FORCEFUL WAY. >> RHONDA, I HAVE NEWS TO YOU FROM THE INTERNET. TAYLOR SWIFT HAS ENDORSED KAMALA HARRIS. SHE HAS JUST PUT A POST ON INSTAGRAM SAYING SHE WATCHED THE DEBATE. MAYBE SHE WATCHED WITH THE WASHINGTON POST, AND THAT SHE IS READY TO ENDORSED KAMALA HARRIS. SHE SAID "I WILL BE CASTING MY VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALZ IN THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ." SHE SIGNED OFF WITH "LOVE AND HOPE, TAYLOR SWIFT, CHILDLESS CAT LADY." WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING IN THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS AS PEOPLE REACT TO THIS DEBATE? >> SHE MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE UNDECIDED VOTERS WHO WAITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS DEBATE. WE WILL SEE WHAT IMPACT TAYLOR SWIFT ENFORCEMENT HAS. OVERALL, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT MOVING ON IS DOES HARRIS KEEP UP THE MOMENTUM? THAT HAS BEEN THE BIG QUESTIONS AND SHE HAS BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. IF SHE CAN KEEP THINGS MOVING HER WAY. IF THE SLIVER OF THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT SHE IS THE ONE THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR, IF THAT CHANGES THE MATH, SOME OF THE POLLING IN THESE BATTLEGROUND STATES. FAR BE IT FROM US AS REPORTERS TO SEE WHO WON AND WHO LOST. IF I TOOK THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, THEY WILL SAY THEIR PERSON WON AND THE OTHER LOST. BUT, AT THIS PLACE IN THE CYCLE, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE BATTLEGROUND STATES, THE MATH. ONE THING YOU CAN SAY IS THAT TRUMP DOESN'T SEEM TO BE EXPANDING HIS SPACE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH HIS VP PICK AND HOW HE'S BEEN ACTING ON THE TRAIL. HE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE REACHING OUT TO FOLKS THAT NEED TO COME TO HIS SITE IN ORDER FOR HIM TO GET THOSE VOTES. WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. HE CERTAINLY HAS HIS BASE, HIS POPULARITY LIKELY WON'T GO ANYWHERE BUT WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE POLLING AND EVEN JUST THE SLIGHTEST NEEDLE MOVES. >> FINAL THOUGHTS FROM YOU, JM, BRIEFLY? >> IT IS A TOSSUP RACE. THE QUESTION COMING OUT OF THIS, WE ARGUABLY JUST HAD THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN OUR LIFETIME, IN JUNE. HOW DOES THIS DEBATE IMPACT THE FINAL STRETCH OF THE CAMPAIGN IS THE KEY QUESTION. HARRIS DID WHAT SHE NEEDED TO DO. TRUMP MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY. >> HILLARY CLINTON WON ALL THREE DEBATES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE FINAL TESTS, IN THE POLLING, IN PERCEPTION AND DONALD TRUMP STILL WON THE ELECTION. WE HAVE 56 DAYS AND I THINK KAMALA HARRIS CLEARED THE BAR. IT WAS A BAD NIGHT FOR TRUMP BUT THAT BY NO MEANS IS GOING TO MEANINGFULLY CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF WHAT REMAINS A VERY CLOSE RACE. WHAT I WILL BE WATCHING FOR NOW IS WHETHER THERE IS ANOTHER DEBATE. WE KNOW THERE WILL BE A VICE PRESIDENTIAL BAIT AND WE ARE HEARING THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN SAY WE WANT ONE MORE. HE MENTIONED LARA TRUMP SAYING WE WANT TWO MORE. WE WILL SEE IF THEY CAN AGREE ON THE DETAILS. PERHAPS A SECOND DEBATE IS MORE LIKELY AFTER TONIGHT. >> JAMES HOHMANN, JM RIEGER, RHONDA COLVIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. THAT DOES IT FOR THE WASHINGTON POST COVERAGE OF THE ABC NEWS SIMULCAST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE WILL BE BROADCASTING LIVE ON ELECTION NIGHT. WATCH THE RETURNS FROM THE NEWSROOM OF THE WASHINGTON POST AND, OF COURSE, STAY ON OUR WEBSITE FOR COMPLETE COVERAGE. WE ARE STILL DOING MORE ANALYSIS AND WRITING AS WE SPEAK AND WE WILL HAVE MORE IN THE DAYS TO COME. I'M LIBBY CASEY, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> WE WILL BE ON LOCATION REPORTING LINES FROM THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTIONS AND PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES. IT ALL LEADS UP TO OUR 2024 ELECTION NIGHT SPECIAL, PROVIDING REAL-TIME RACE CALLS, LIVE UPDATES FROM OUR REPORTERS ON THE GROUND, MONITORING THE PIVOTAL RACES THAT WILL DETERMINE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY. NO ONE COVERS POLITICS AND ELECTIONS LIKE THE WASHINGTON POST, BECAUSE DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS.