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FIGHT OR UNABLE TO CONTROL. AS SOMEONE WHO THINKS THAT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS DESERVES A PROMOTION, I AM FINE WITH THAT. JOINING ME NOW IS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR, LAPHONZA BUTLER, OF CALIFORNIA. SHE IS A LONGTIME MEMBER OF KAMALA HARRIS'S INNER CIRCLE. SENATOR BUTLER, WELCOME TO THE SATURDAY SHOW. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> FIRST THINGS FIRST, DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE IS BETTER LOOKING THAN THE VICE PRESIDENT. COME ON, NOW. >> STOP IT. THE FACT THAT WE ARE EVEN HAVING THAT AS A CONVERSATION IS AN INSULT TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND FRANKLY, STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THE FORMER PRESIDENT. >> WE SHOULD SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS STILL SPEAKING AT HIS RALLY IN WILKES-BARRE, PENNSYLVANIA. SOME FELLOW CAME IN TO TALK AT THE MIDDLE, BUT HE IS STILL GOING ON. IN MY LITTLE SOLILOQUY ABOUT HOW THE REPUBLICANS NEED AN INTERVENTION, OR HOW TRUMP NEEDS AN INTERVENTION, I PLAYED THE CLIP OF HIM SAYING, HE IS ENTITLED TO PERSONAL ATTACKS. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING EVERY TRUMP RALLY, ESPECIALLY, SINCE THE JUNE 27th -- ACTUALLY, SINCE PRESIDENT BIDEN GOT OUT OF THE RACE, AND I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TIRING OF THIS POLITICS OF PERSONAL INSULT, INSTEAD OF PRESENTING POLICIES THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER. >> JONATHAN, LOOK, IT'S CLEAR TO ME, I THINK, TO ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN SEEING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THIS PERFORMANCE, THAT HE REALLY ONLY HAS THE ONE CARD TO PLAY. HE ONLY HAS THE CARD OF DIVISION AND HATE AND RIDICULE AND DISMISSIVENESS, AND THAT IS THE CARD THAT HE CONTINUES TO TROT OUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. HE HAS YET TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE ACTUALLY PLANS TO DO ABOUT INFLATION AND RISING COSTS THAT AMERICAN FAMILIES ARE FACING. HE HAS YET TO SAY ANYTHING, EXCEPT REPEAL THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. HE HAS YET TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING MORE RELEVANT TO MIGRATION AND OUR BORDER SECURITY, THEN SAYING, BUILD A WALL, AND THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HOW HE IS GOING TO MOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FORWARD? IT IS A MYSTERY TO ALL OF US. BUT, THAT'S ALL HE'S GOT. >> LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHO, YESTERDAY, TALKED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, JUST A PIECE OF HER ECONOMIC PLAN, HOW SHE WANTS TO LOWER COSTS FOR AMERICANS. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE PRAISING THE HOUSING POLICY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS SLAMMING THE PRICE GOUGING POLICY. GIVE ME YOUR REACTION TO WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS PROPOSED. >> LOOK, I WATCHED YESTERDAY, THE VICE PRESIDENT PUT FORTH AN AMBITIOUS VISION FOR OUR COUNTRY, AN AMBITION TO BUILD AN ECONOMY OF OPPORTUNITY, TACKLING KEY ECONOMIC DRIVERS, THAT WORKING FAMILIES ARE FACING EVERYTHING OBEY, THAT BRING TOUGH CHOICES. THE RISING COST OF HEALTHCARE. THE RISING COST OF FOOD AND BASIC NEEDS, AND LET ALONE, THE RISING COST OF HOUSING, WHERE SO MANY WORKING AMERICANS ARE FINDING THEMSELVES HAVING TO LIVE IN THEIR CARS, NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD AN APARTMENT OR SUITABLE PLACE FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. YES, SHE SET FORTH AN AMBITIOUS AGENDA, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN THIS CANDIDATE, AND IN THE VICE PRESIDENT'S VISION FOR THIS COUNTRY, SHE SEES AND HEARS EVERYONE. THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT JUST DRIVING HARD CHOICES FOR DEMOCRATS. THEY ARE ALSO DRIVING HARD CHOICES FOR REPUBLICANS THAT LIVE IN OHIO, ARIZONA AND MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN, AND WHAT SHE IS PRESENTING IS A PLAN FOR HOW WE CAN TACKLE THOSE VERY ISSUES THAT ARE BRINGING ABOUT HARD CHOICES FOR AMERICAN WORKING FAMILIES. SHE WANTS TO MAKE A SIGNATURE OF HER PRESIDENCY, RISING, AND CREATING A STRONGER MIDDLE- CLASS. I THINK AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENT, WILL CELEBRATE A LEADER THAT SEES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS REAL PROBLEMS AND HAS THE AMBITION TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. >> WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME. I HAVE TO GET YOU ON TWO THINGS. ONE, VERY SERIOUS. DONALD TRUMP SAID THAT ABORTION IS NOT THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE, BUT A POLL FROM THE KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION OF 3900 WOMEN SHOWS THAT 74% OF THEM BELIEVE THAT ABORTION ACCESS SHOULD BE LEGAL. 70% SAY IT SHOULD BE A FEDERAL RIGHT. AM I RIGHT OR AM I WRONG? REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM IS GOING TO BE A DRIVER OF THIS ELECTION. >> JONATHAN, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS ELECTION AND EVERY ELECTION SINCE THE DOBBS DECISION WAS MADE, SINCE THE RIGHTS OF ROAD WERE STRIPPED AWAY. THE AMERICAN VOTERS HAVE MADE THAT REALLY CLEAR. WOMEN, MEN, AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN. >> REAL FAST, THIS WILL BE YOUR FIRST CONVENTION AS A SITTING UNITED STATES SENATOR. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO? >> I'M EXCITED ABOUT REGULAR PEOPLE BEING A PART OF THEIR GREAT DEMOCRACY, PUTTING FORWARD A CANDIDATE THEY BELIEVE IN THE CHEERS, THE CHANCE, THE DANCES, THE GOOD SIGN, THE SERIOUSNESS WITH WHICH DEMOCRATS WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR DEMOCRACY. IT'S INCREDIBLY EXCITING TO ME AND I CAN'T BELIEVE I GET TO BE A PA