>> Martha: VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS NOT GETTING A BIG BOUNCE IN THE POLLS AFTER THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION BUT SHE IS WIDENING THE GENDER GAP IN SEVERAL POLLS, SHE LEADS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BY SIX POINTS WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKELY VOTERS IN A NATIONWIDE "ABC NEWS"-IPSOS POLL AND THAT'S THE SAME BEFORE THE CONVENTION. SHE SAYS THE RACE WILL BE CLOSE UNTIL THE VERY END. >> LET'S NOT PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THE POLLS. BECAUSE AS UNIONS AND LABOR KNOW BEST, WE KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE THE UNDERDOG. AND WE ARE THE UNDERDOG IN THIS RACE. >> Martha: IS THAT TRUE? LET'S BRING IN KELLYANNE CONWAY FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND TIM RYAN, FORMER OHIO DEMOCRATIC HERE.ESSMAN, GREAT TO HAVE YOU GREAT TO BE UNSET WITH YOU IN MILWAUKEE, HERE WE GO. HARRIS SAYS SHE'S THE UNDERDOG, SHE'S AHEAD IN THE BATTLEGROUND POLLS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH STOCK ANYBODY PUTS IN NATIONWIDE VOTER POLLS BUT IN THE BATTLEGROUNDS SHE'S AHEAD BY SLIM MARGINS EXCEPT FOR WISCONSIN WHERE SHE'S AHEAD I THINK BY THREE POINTS. >> DONALD TRUMP WON BY 77,000, WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHTER THAN A TICK BUT SHE'S NOT THE UNDERDOG, SHE'S THE INCUMBENT, DONALD TRUMP IS THE INSURGENT, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? SHE'S VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS HE FLIES AROUND ON AIR FORCE TO. IF THE DEMOCRATS DUMP BIDEN, TRUMP AND HIS FOLKS NEEDS TO DROP MIKE DUMP HIM. HARRIS AND UKRAINE, HARRIS LETTING IRAN TO HAVE ITS WAY, HARRIS WITH A CRIME SURGE. SHE'S THE INCUMBENT, YOU CAN'T PRETEND AWAY THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THAT. EVEN JAMES CARVILLE IN HIS "NEW YORK TIMES" PIECE ISN'T LETTING KAMALA BE KAMALA, SHE HE'S SAYING DON'T YOU DARE BE DIVIDED IN THE WHOLE RACE IS ABOUT TRUMP. NOT EVEN HER GENDER, OR RACE, OR RECORD, OR RHETORIC, HER INSPIRATION, ASPIRATION, NOTHING ABOUT HER? JUST TO GO AGAINST TRUMP. THE REASON SHE DIDN'T GET A BOUNCE AS SHE WAS THE 14TH MOST COMPELLING SPEAKER AT HER OWN CONVENTION. FOR ALL THE HOOPLA AND HOT AIR THERE WASN'T A SINGLE SWING VOTER THEY ARE. LAST POINT IN "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" POLL TELLS THE TALE SHE'S DOWN TEN POINTS FROM WHERE JOE BIDEN WAS AMONG BLACK VOTERS AND SHE STILL SIX POINTS DOWN -- SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE BIDEN COALITION. >> Martha: WE ARE GOOD TO PUT THAT BACK TOGETHER, TIM RYAN. SHE'S DOING -- JOE BIDEN IN 2020 HAD STRONGER NUMBERS WITH BLACK-LATINO AND YOUNG VOTERS. NOW SHE -- WE SAW TRUMP PICK UP A LOT OF MOMENTUM WHEN HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST BIDEN WITH THOSE OF VOTERS AND STILL HOLDING THAT MOMENTUM BUT SHE'S CUTTING INTO IT. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PLAYING OUT AND HOW PIVOTAL ARE THOSE THREE GROUPS IN THE SELECTION? >> THEY ARE GOING TO BE HUGE, THAT'S PART OF THE COALITION AND SHE CAN WISH IT AWAY ALL SHE WANTS. THIS IS THE OBAMA COALITION, THE JOE BIDEN COALITION I THINK IT WILL BE THE COALITION ON STEROIDS. THE ONE THING LEFT OUT OF THESE NUMBERS IS THE AMOUNT OF NEW REGISTERED VOTERS. WOMEN, BLACK WOMEN, YOUNG PEOPLE. THE FACT THESE GROUPS ARE MORE ENERGIZED THAN REPUBLICANS ARE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN TO OUR ADVANTAGE IN THE LAST CYCLE. YOU ARE SEEING A VERY ENERGIZED COALITION. YOU HEARD OF HER SPEECH IN PITTSBURGH. STRONG SUPPORT OF UNIONS, STRONG SUPPORTIVE MANUFACTURING. SHE'S GOT A GOOD RECORD TO RUN ON. WE ARE FINALLY RESHORING JOBS IN THE UNITED STATES AFTER GUYS LIKE ME IN CONGRESS COMPLAINING ABOUT IT FOR 40 OR 50 YEARS, GLOBALIZATION, NOW WE ARE BUILDING CHIPS, NOW WE ARE BUILDING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, NOW WE ARE BUILDING BATTERIES, WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL. ALL STUFF THAT DONALD TRUMP DID NOT DO. THE JOE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS DOING AND KAMALA WILL RUN THAT. >> Martha: SHE'S DEFTLY TRYING TO GET INTO TRUMP'S SPACE AND SHE'S GOING TO GO TO WISCONSIN AND TALK ABOUT -- NEW HAMPSHIRE, EXCUSE ME AND TALK ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURS. WHEN I TALK TO SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, WHAT THEY WANT IS LOWER REGULATION THEY WANT GOVERNMENT OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S GOING TO SAY ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MESSAGE IS AND IS SHE STEPPING IN HIS SPACE ON THAT? NO TAX ON TIPS AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. >> SHE'S DISAVOWING HERSELF FROM BIDEN AND TRYING TO BE A COPYCAT OF TRUMP THAT'S PRETTY RICH. SHE'S DOING SOMETHING HILLARY CLINTON FAILED TO DO IN 2016, GO TO THOSE PLACES AND SPACES WHERE TRUMP MADE IT COMPETITIVE IN LARGE PART BECAUSE HE TALKED ABOUT BORDER SECURITY AND BRINGING BACK MANUFACTURING. TO TIM'S POINT, JOB CREATION AND SOME OF THOSE INDUSTRIES. HILLARY IGNORED A LOT OF THE STATES, SHE'S GOING THERE. HER MESSAGE WILL FEEL STALE IF NOT PHONY AND WEAK FOR A VERY SIMPLE REASON. SHE RECENTLY CAME OUT WITH A TAX PLAN THAT INCLUDED 65% ON STATE TAX, DEATH TAX THAT WILL HURT A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES. 44% ON CAPITAL GAINS, OBVIOUSLY UNREALIZED GAINS BEING TAXED. THAT HURTS THESE BUSINESS OWNERS. I GIVE HER CREDIT FOR THE COLLEGE TRY BUT IT'S GOING TO COME OFF AS PHONY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO TRANSLATE ON THE DEBATE STAGE A WEEK FROM NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AUTHENTIC AND COMFORTABLE IN YOUR SKIN. THIS IS A VERY SWEET SPOT AND NATURAL HABITAT FOR TRUMP. >> Martha: TAXING UNREALIZED GAINS IS AN INTERESTING TWIST. I HOPE YOU WILL COME