let's talk about Paul Dan he is the guy who is one of the authors one of the architects of project 2025 he has a remarkable lack of Charisma and now for his first television interview since he stepped down as the Director of project 2025 Paul Dan it's great to have you here I mean as you know given what we've seen from the conventions it's almost inevitable that this will be brought up on the debate stage tomorrow night are you worried that that your work could be a liability for for Trump when he's on stage up there tomorrow no not at all and thank you for having me klyn uh look president Trump's The Greatest debater Bar None of our time and uh you know the breaking news is Trump has nothing to do with project 2025 these people have no shame there is no indignity to Great to get them to stop acting like cult members president Trump is the greatest debater Bar None the world has ever seen