ALL OF YOU. >>> SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN AND HIS BRITISH COUNTERPART TRAVELED TO UKRAINE'S CAPITAL CITY OF KYIV SUNDAY AS UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS SEEK PERMISSION TO STRIKE DEEP INSIDE RUSSIAN TERRITORY USING AMERICAN-MADE WEAPONS. THE UNITED STATES HAS SO FAR RESISTED THOSE REQUESTS OUT OF CONCERN IT COULD ESCALATE THE CONFLICT, BUT BLINKEN ANNOUNCED $700 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. >> WE REMAIN FULLY COMMITTED TO UKRAINE'S VICTORY TO NOT ONLY INSURING THAT YOU'VE UKRAINE CAN DEFEND ITSELF TODAY, BUT THAT IT CAN STAND ON ITS FEED STRONGLY FOR MANY, MANY DAYS AHEAD. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. WE WANT UKRAINE TO WIN. >> SETH JONES JOINS US NOW, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF THE INTERNATIONAL SECURITY PROGRAM AT THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES. SETH, I WANT TO GRAB ONTO WHAT BLINKEN SAID THERE AT THE END. WE WANT UKRAINE TO WIN. DONALD TRUMP IN THE DEBATE NOTABLY WOULD NOT SAY WHEN PRESSED WHETHER HE WANTED UKRAINE TO WIN. WHAT DOES THAT LANGUAGE MEAN FOR BLINKEN TO SAY IT AND THEN IF A PRESIDENT DID NOT SAY IT OR AN ADMINISTRATION DID NOT SAY IT? >> WELL, I THINK IT HAS A GREAT DEAL OF IMPACT ON WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO UKRAINE. FOR BLINKEN TO SAY HE WANTS UKRAINE TO WIN MEANS THAT HE WILL CONTINUE WITH PEACE NEGOTIATIONS AND UNTIL ANY KIND OF A CEASEFIRE OR SETTLEMENT IS ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE WEAPONS TO UKRAINE. THAT'S UNCLEAR WITH A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IF HE WERE TO COME INTO OFFICE. HE TALKS ABOUT A PEACE SETTLEMENT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. THE TWO SIDES ARE REALLY FAR APART RIGHT NOW. >> ON THIS QUESTION OF WHETHER THE U.S. SHOULD ALLOW UKRAINE TO STRIKE INTO DEEPER INSIDE RUSSIA WITH U.S. MUNITIONS, WHAT IS THE THINKING ON THE U.S. POINT THERE AND MIGHT THE U.S. FIND A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS? >> I THINK THERE'S NO DOUBT AT THIS POINT THAT U.S. OFFICIALS SHOULD COME AROUND TO THE UKRAINIAN REQUEST AND TO USE NOT JUST U.S., BUT ALSO BRITISH AND OTHER EUROPEAN WEAPONS FOR STRIKES INTO RUSSIAN TERRITORY FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY HELPFUL IN DEGRADING RUSSIA'S CAPABILITY TO WAGE WAR. RUSSIA HAS MOVED A LOT OF ITS LOGISTICS OUTSIDE OF THE RANGE OF A NUMBER OF WEAPON SYSTEMS. THE SECOND IS THE RUSSIANS ARE USING IRANIAN, CHINESE, AND NORTH KOREAN WEAPONS IN UKRAINE. SO WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THAT RUBICON AND THE THIRD ISSUE BRIEFLY IS AT EVERY STAGE OF THIS WAR THERE'S BEEN CONCERN ABOUT ESCALATION. WHAT ARE THE RUSSIANS GOING TO DO IF WE TAKE THESE KINDS OF STEPS? I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT PUTIN HAS CALLED OUR BLUFF EVERY TIME. HE'S NOT GOING TO ESCALATE. HE CAN'T REALLY ESCALATE AT THIS POINT. I THINK THE CONCERNS AND RISKS ARE ACTUALLY RELATIVELY LOW. >> HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M ALWAYS FASCINATED. WHAT RESTRAINS HIM? WHY CAN'T HE ESCALATE? >> I THINK AT THIS POINT AS WE SAW AFTER UKRAINIAN FORCES TOOK AREAS OF KURSK AND STILL HOLD A NUMBER OF AREAS IN RUSSIAN TERRITORY, THE RUSSIAN RESPONSE WAS IN PART TO CONDUCT A RANGE OF CRUISE MISSILE, BALLISTIC MISSILE, AND DRONE ATTACKS ACROSS UKRAINE IN MULTIPLE AREAS OF UKRAINE. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE THE WAR BEGAN. THE RUSSIANS HAVE DONE BASICALLY EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR MEANS EXCEPT FOR USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN UKRAINE. >> FINALLY, SETH, DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, YOU MENTIONED DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE COULD HAVE A DEAL RIGHT AWAY. IN REALITY WHAT IS THIS NATURE OR STATE OF KIND OF PEACE NEGOTIATIONS? THEY DON'T REALLY EXIST, DO THEY? GIVE US A SENSE WHERE THINGS STAND ON THE WILLINGNESS TO EVEN HAVE PEACE TALKS. >> I THINK BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN WILLING TO LAY OUT CONDITIONS. THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE REALLY FAR APART RIGHT NOW. WHAT THE RUSSIANS ARE ASKING FOR FOR UKRAINE IS ESSENTIALLY TO GET RID OF MOST OF ITS CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS AND AFTER BEING INVADED IN FEBRUARY OF 2022 WHAT UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD NOT DEFEND HIM OR HERSELF AGAINST A FOREIGN AGGRESSOR? THE UKRAINIANS WANT BACK THE TERRITORY THAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE SEIZED. SO IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT DOMESTICALLY FOR SOMEONE LIKE PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY TO HAND OVER TWO TO RUSSIA TERRITORY THAT RUSSIA HAS SEIZED BY FORCE. THAT MEANS THAT