and changing policy if that's what they want if that's what you do want or what what does one use one vote for as far as Jill Stein okay distinct from who says it I don't know if I would use the word predatory I understand why uh one would use that more from the perspective of like she went and fundraised to um do a recount following uh the 2016 uh um uh race and raised millions of dollars and did not do anything I think it was just to pay off campaign debt um and I do think without a doubt I mean it's simply inarguable the green party has diminished in power over the past 25 years I mean I say this as someone who voted for Ralph nater as a way of and I did it in New York I mean to fair you know and I and I I vote swapped with Florida um or I supposedly did back then you know the interet you just you pledge um but the green party is a shell of what it was then there's been no organizing in between elections it just come out every uh four years supposedly to maintain the 5% all right so for the sake of like of that let's put that aside I I mean I think like there's nothing non-factual about the about her assessment of the green party I would even add that um with regards to Palestine specifically I mean Jason call from them pointed out Nur erat was considered for VP on that ticket and um was going to try to say this ajacent call from Green Party The Proposal was that if nura joins the team as VP it would be under the condition that the Stein campaign would withdraw from the election should the Democrats secure a permanent ceasefire and offensive arms embargo and he says and I think this is insane uh and I don't think AOC is a great mage for this stuff but I agree with her about this we rejected it because you cannot trust the Democrats or Israel to keep their word okay I mean if you secured the permanent ceas for an offensive arms embargo I mean that would be about we would be sabotaging the entire election for the green party both now and in 28 giving up ballot lines we have earned um it is not possible anyway like like those things that's to me like I would have been very impressed if they had nura erad on got all that attention from say Michigan and then secured a policy shift from the Democrats and then saved fine that would impress me more for 2028 that would be leveraging that would be actually like using like developing power and using it in terms of whether AOC is like a um a good spokesperson for this I mean like the the facts are the facts about the green party that's just the fact I mean if you and and and frankly like from my perspective you know whether AOC is the right messenger she has been supporting Biden she's going to support Harris she's um a a Democrat and wants to support um uh her party and also wants to defeat Donald Trump what what's more I think like sort of like uh um uh you know telling is like why I am supportive of voting that way now I will say this that um it makes sense to me that there are people who feel I cannot stomach voting for I think it was an easier assessment to make in terms of Biden yeah uh uh let's just put this aside let's just for the moment for the sake of argument say Harris and Biden are the same person okay and they have the exact same power right now um to run our foreign policy that that's not the case but I'll put that argument aside for a moment okay it is understandable to me to say emotionally speaking I cannot vote for um I can't pull the lever for Biden Harris okay emotionally speaking I can't do that I and and you know I'm not going to uh sit here and criticize you for having that emotional reaction I will say generically speaking that that is a complete misunderstanding of what voting is about and voting is about bringing about some type of change that's what politics are and you have to make an assessment or not you specifically but one does when I look at um uh and and I'll make this argument you know separately that that Biden and Harris are not the same people right now but when I look at Trump and I look at Harris um one of them is going to be president that's just simply a fact Jill Stein has no better chance of being president than I do and someone can say well if if you guys supported Jill Stein other people might well if people supported me too I might be president I mean it's just not going to happen and so the point is is that is there a 1% chance that Harris is better than Trump on Israel and if I'm gonna vote that's what I'm going to use my vote for is I don't like one vote ain't gonna make a damn ass difference but teeny teeny tiny but it's going to you know it's it's the exercise of one arrow that you have in your quiver of political power and that's what a vote is it's a hammer I think all that's I think all that's granted everything about the green party everything you said about voting like I think I get all that what I maybe not feeling as a Palestinian American is permeating kind of through all the rhetoric right now is just sort of like like like like the mood I I don't know maybe you describe it as the emotion but the mood and like what that mood sets for like the future I mean it's hard right it's it's not easy but when kamla Harris gets asked an inter like in an interview like like will you change from Biden's policy on Gaza and it's like she just I think she said no like like it's it's like I don't want to read into that too much but she's just she's like she's she's telling us exactly what's going to happen and I I just want to add like there's there's a mood like I'm a second generation Palestinian American my wife's the first generation Palestinian American I mean we lived through Trump we used to we used to live in Texas and like seeing like a trump you know yard sign on someone's yard back in like 2016 or whatever when he was talking about Bing Muslims like the emotion and the you know the mood that that evok from her saying like oh this person this person is supporting someone who like literally hates me to my guts like I'm telling you and and everyone else like as we drive through our streets of New Hampshire and see Harris Walt signs like that's the same like it's that same sort of like disconnect there like this politician in no way can represent me and I guess what what concerns me is Jill Stein is Jill Stein but the reason jillin is sort of anything right now is because mainly the position she's taking on Palestine and has probably attracted I mean she had the same listen she's going to do the same numbers as she did in 2016 and can I just add first of all I'm you know this is not going to be the show that tells you how to vote as a Palestinian American I mean at least from my perspective I just I don't think that we can we can do that we can't understand the pain that you're going through even as we cover this um but I will say like one I think I see your criticism at least about AOC in the sense that like she I think she miscalculated in the weeks after the debate where she decided to get and and Bernie did this too uh get some concessions from Biden on policy and then they went really hard for him when the rest of the party was abandoning him then does that undercut their full-throated support for Harris as maybe somebody who would be a break from Biden where the base was so discusted with Biden progressives I I I guess are supposed to represent the base and that wasn't really necessarily reflected in that time period where they were trying to flank him on domestic Progressive policy priorities I think it could have made a real difference if they were leveraging that moment with Harris to get some of these things where this is where I I want people to read into read in between the lines a little bit more and again this is different from your voting I just want to probably give some hope here about a change in policy um the the Harris campaign has calculated that they don't think that they need to address this issue concretely as of right now or at least they're going to save it off for as long as possible to to make sure that a pacman doesn't flood into the campaign um they don't feel like they need to address this more concretely and that's awful and it's wrong and it's also speaks to the uniqueness of her position but I wish that she was more explicit on say like arms embargo right um but they're not doing that because of that calculation that they're making I don't think that you should take what she said in that interview on face value about her policies being the exct same as Biden there was they're trying to leak this and have people read in between the lines there was a Washington Post article over the weekend about Phil Gordon and how he's skeptical of Netanyahu about how she's open to conditioning Aid to Israel and that that's something that she would consider as president now the clips that you describe are the ones they're going to travel and that's in part by Design they want the pro-israel money to not spend in their races and you're already seeing it in Michigan which is why she's going to have to to make a decision at a certain point um the Republican operatives are playing ads saying how pro-israel she is as a ratf campaign in Michigan to get people to be a little bit less enthusiastic all I'm saying is that it's it's really really frustrating to see her repeat the Biden Administration line but we have to remember it's not her Administration it's not her staff she's essentially a ceremonial piece for them and two um the i i i Biden's history is just he's he's historically one of the most right-wing Democrats throughout his uh throughout his career whatever you place him in time and part of that has been his hawkishness especially as it relates to Israel if you go back and read Jeet here had a piece uh from February it's not relevant to Harris but about how Biden eulogized scoop Jackson who was uh a anti-communist Warhawk um in the 70s and Biden gave his eulogy in 1983 and he was a guy that was so pro-israel um that basically he wanted them to get a blank check uh that he was a Democrat but he was such an anti-communist that he thought like Nix Nixon and Republicans super anti-communist at that time and it was like about Israel was supposed to be some sort of way to Stave off the Soviet Union in the Middle East and so it was like give them a blank check whatever Biden has supposedly talked about him as being a formative person uh in his view of Israel and you can read I tweeted that out je had the peace in February uh 2024 about Biden's Cold War perspective but this comes on top of the other anecdotes that we've told you about how he undermined Obama and Hillary Clinton in getting tougher on Netanyahu about how he waxes poetically about Golden year Biden and Harris it's frustrating and they're not the same person Obama would have been better in this situation all we're looking for I think in terms of improvement are those level that level of kind of just more competence and it no matter what I say again this is not about your vote because I can't empath I can't I can empathize I can't understand the position that you're in but just to give you a sense is I do think I do think this concretely that she doesn't have these ideological predispositions and that should give activists hope that we can move her in a way that I for the first time in my life I was considering voting third party in New York state I've never done that the first time in my life that's how disgusted I was with Biden but I don't feel that way about Harris and it's not just wishcasting it's based on concretely his history and her lack of that history I mean the uh the ultimately it comes down to the idea of and and and and I would look there's only so much you can get from a uh from an article like this but I would recommend uh uh people read this uh piece it's in the Washington Post trusted Aid would play a key role in the Harris review of us Israel policy let me just read the the the relevant part Harris office said it would not discuss her potential policies should she become president we're not going to address hypothetical policy questions she Remains the vice president of the United States and St stands by the Biden Harris Administration policies that is um what Dean uh Lieberman Harris's Deputy National Security adviser for strategic communication said in the statement um let's let's be clear if I'm vice president and I'm running for president I am not going to set a precedent of my vice president has the ability or the justification to go out and fundamentally say I'm doing it different policy than the president because nothing she says right now is going to change anything now I do not believe there will ever be under a Harris Administration an Emar arms Embargo of Israel I do believe that there could be weapons that are conditioned and Aid that is conditioned on certain things and that that would include the possibility of offensive weapons not being uh sent to Israel it's one thing to say I'm going to do I'm not going to I'm going to do an arms embargo I'm not going to have I'm saying from the perspective of of Harris if it was up to me I'd end to Aid tomorrow period all of it um yeah but from the perspective of like you know what we're dealing with in terms of like uh the range of of action that we could reasonably expect from a president um yeah the I just want go ahead I just wanted to say this I I think all of y'all's points are you know well taken or so probably agree with nearly everything I I would just say like from like speaking from the perspective of people like me it's just like we're just like thirsting for that that one thing that one comment maybe that one interview where she would say like hey like in in January when you're sworn in and based on the new developments like what your Administration would you instruct the state department to reconsider the Ley law and she be like oh yeah yeah something do something like that I mean and if she doesn't I think that's really you know uh Mis unfortunate I think it's a I think it's I think there is more latitude for her to do that and and frankly they should have uh you know um I think they screwed up at the um uh at the Democratic National Convention but I do but they like those headlines too that's my point though there's a part of them that likes the fact that they can look like they're tamping down these protests I mean I suspect that also is like the that is uh they think that there is um they've made a political uh assessment of like where the electorate is and where the greatest risk is and that's my guess anyways I don't know it's it's not me as one of the 10 Palestinians in New Hampshire probably so well no but I mean I think they're I think yeah I mean I think they're I think they're they're saying in terms of the actual votes lost I mean look you also have to remember like we as a country first order we're responsible for the deaths depending on whose numbers you use whether it's defense department at the low end or um very reputable sources on the high end anywhere between 200,000 and a million Iraqis and I can tell you that I don't believe there was I mean you could argue that the Democratic primary was in some way informed by the Iraq War and to some extent maybe the 2006 Congressional races Al although I contend that it was much more about uh Mark Foley and child predator the American public broadly speaking doesn't seem to care about uh the the deaths of of of of people who are not in the United States and probably uh less so you know if they are brown or black and I mean I'm talking broadly speaking I think there is like I think there is uh hundreds of thousands if not uh millions of people in this country who are and I think there's probably tens of millions of people who care but not enough that um you know they're going this is going to be their fundamental um um you know thing that they vote on um and the question then becomes at least in terms of like voting and and again uh you know it I I I totally understand the idea of like I just can't pull this lever for this person but um in terms of voting as as an outcome there is certainly um 1% chance I think it's actually greater but this is all it takes for me 1% chance that um Harris is going to be better than Trump on this I mean Trump is using Palestinian as a slur and and and listen there's a reason why he can do that and no one cares in terms of like what it's going to cost him for voting because it's not g to cost him a single vote just the idea that we're having this conversation means that there is slightly more power there may be not enough but there is slightly more power uh that can be applied towards Harris than to Trump and that and it and it's obviously not necessarily two months out from the election it may not be a day out from the election but there are more people who are similarly situated to you who are constituents of Harris than Trump and that means to the extent that there's any power and there all in many instances there's not enough power to change the course of an Administration but to the extent that any power exists it exists with Harris constituents not Trump constituents and that's you know this same answer as to why people go why don't these Palestinian protesters go to Trump events well that's why yes and and and it I mean the the irony is is that's also why like ultimately there's going to be a more opportunity it doesn't mean that it's necessarily going to actually work but there's going to be more opportunity with Harris I mean look Biden dropped out and for the biggest Factor was that he was too old but had the uh Gaza not going been going on it would have been much tougher to get him out I believe that yep and and she knows that and so like you know the it it's not a direct onetoone correlation but this is the way that like you know politics work it doesn't always it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed you know 80% of people uh want want to increase social security uh payments the 70% of uh you know Democrats probably uh want uh Single Payer Health insurance that doesn't mean it's going to happen but it means that has a much better chance happening with a democratic Administration than it does a republican one that's the best I can tell you yeah yeah One S and I appreciate it and yeah thank thank you all for your show and yeah it's uh it still matters to hear people talking about Gaza and thinking about this stuff critically so I appreciate you all well thanks for the call and and and my heart goes out to you and your family yep um what what were you going to say uh from that article though I'm curious what your takeaway was though well I mean the there were two things one was they're really emphasizing that she's the vice president Y and again I think it's okay this is the highis uh uh this is the harest situation uh okay so um from this guy's perspective he feels that har is going to be a lot better than um than Trump I I agree with him by the way I think haris giv a lot of hint that she will be a lot better than Trump I hate to tell you I I've seen it I'm not going to see what it is it happens when n went to the White House it it there's a lot of like hints that har give that you I'm going to be a little bit more graceful and she's a woman she's a mother I mean she's not a she's kind of like a mother she has kids from the other guy like a step mother and I think like um I don't mean to say it like that but I think like and she's younger I also believe that the reason why why why Biden was like kind of Deon to what's going on in Israel is because he's he's old he has too much on his plate so he kind of like okay let me let just get E I don't think it's because he he doesn't feel it I think it's because he's old he's not he's not alive like you know I think if Biden was a lot younger I think he would have been more careful with what happened in is I think it's his age also but it seems like the left doesn't seem to see it like that they see it like he's a evil person it's evil what he does it is evil but it's evil evil like it's it looks evil but I feel like it's more like Consciousness consciously but is not there so that's what I think is going on