so I've got them an eight and four because I think eight and four is very realistic it gives you the opportunity to have a couple of of slip UPS here and there in the schedule and get Syracuse off to a good start has them the potential to be ranked at some point during the season or by the end of the season and gets you to a good bowl game and I think keeps the recruits that are committed shows recruits in the future classes that hey yeah Syracuse is for Real in turning a corner but also doesn't put unrealistic unfair expectations on the players and gives them room to realistically exceed that prediction