Debate Night Live - Chase Oliver's Reaction

hi I'm Abdul hakeim shabaz the editor and publisher of vendy politics. org a political commentator and attorney here in the city of Indianapolis and we are here uh having a conversation with Chase Oliver the libertarian candidate uh for president uh obviously right now uh Donald Trump and Camala Harris are participated in the debate hosted by ABC News uh but Chase was not invited to participate so we just fig have a little conversation here so Chase my friend always good to be here thank you for coming hey thank you for having me here and I look forward to kind of counterprogramming what the doop is putting out there on the debate stage I think it's always is important to hear an alternative View and uh so far I think what we've heard tonight is just kind of back and forth on who's been worse in the economy and uh I have the answer they've both been terrible in the economy oh well first of all let our audience know for those folks who are watching uh who is Chas Oliver what you and why are you running for president yeah well I'm a 39y old resident Atlanta Georgia and I am a uh you know I've been a political activist my entire adult life uh but I've been a Libertarian uh party member for the last 10 years and I really think voters deserve to have more than two choices in the ballot and we need to have a choice that actually reprs free market principles which we're not getting from the Democrats we're not getting from the Republicans and so uh I wanted to make sure that voters had an alternative that they could feel good about voting for that's going to allow them to empower their own lives and control their own destiny uh so long as they're not harming anybody which is what Liberty is all about and uh we're just not seeing that from either kamla Harris or Donald Trump uh it's time we have that on the ballot now I'll be asking uh obviously uh chase some questions we F the questions along with the debate and you got a question or too uh you can uh text us in in the Facebook in the chat room on our various platforms we' be happy to have your questions I just got one question uh on the economy uh the question is uh the economy the cost of living are you are we better off than we were four years ago um you know I think in some aspects we are but in many aspects we aren't because we've continued the debt and deficit spending which has created the inflation pinch where our feeling you know that inflation pinch was not just solely responsible from the Biden and Harris Administration much of what we're feeling now that's making our life more miserable than it was four years ago is the inflation coming home to roof from all the covid spending uh $2.2 trillion in covid spending and Donald Trump said that wasn't even enough he actually wanted Congress to pass more which would have created more inflation and so I think uh yes we've taken a step backwards but it's not just the Biden Administration that Solly responsible for that because the inflation is at the the the feet of both the Biden and the Trump administrations well let's talk about inflation because obviously inflation is a big issue a big deal how do how would you as president address the inflationary issue well the first thing we have to do is stop the primary driver of inflation which is debt and deficits we're printing trillions of dollars out of thin air when we do that it devalues the dollar that's in your pocket or in your business or your bank account uh and the quickest way to stop that is to balance the federal budget to say we're not going to be t uh spending more than we're taking in on a yearly basis this used to be a rational idea right like Democrats and Republicans actually balanced the budget in the late 990s or in the Clinton Administration that was seen as good for the economy that's the last time we had the largest explosion of the middle class in this country and since then that's become more and more of a radical idea as we've entered into this atmosphere of continuing resolutions Omnibus spending bills congress not really even legislating amending things being handed bills in the middle of the night that are thousands of pages long and being told to vote on these things there's a real breakdown in the governance of this country and much of it starts with the out ofc control spending in Washington DC so how do you get the spending under control well you know if you get elected president I would challenge the Congress to let them know if they give me a budget that isn't balanced I'll give them back a budget that is vetoed and challenge them to actually make the cuts they need to make uh otherwise they're going to have to override me uh and if they do that you know every dollar of debt and deficit that gets added is on their heads not the executive branches uh and we will continue to challenge them to balance the budget to get spending under control by not adding taxes we don't need to tax our way out of this we need to cut spending to get our way out of this mess uh where would you where would you start with your spinning Cuts oh well you got to start with the primary drivers so uh in the domestic budget you know the discretionary budget that's the military uh the Pentagon spending we spend trillions a year we can cut that in half and still be fully military ready I think uh but the other primary driver is the entitlements Medicare Medicaid Social Security uh we Libertarians recognize that the government is probably the worst facilitator of health care that you can find and you're not going to get a great uh retirement outcome out of Social Security you're better off just putting your money in the S&P 500 so let's start with Social Security because s got sort of three sets of people you have our parents who are sort of the baby boomer generation they paid into it they're they're in they're in their retirement eight years now you got us sort of gener Gen X who sort of half Social Security sort of half notot then you got sort of the the Millennials gen Z uh who haven't really just started their their safety and Social Security so what is your plan to deal with those three distinct populations yeah so for those who are already at or in you know in retirement or very close to it uh my parents uh a lot of people's parents and grandparents who live on a fixed income uh they would get to maintain that that we would let them retire on that because they they're not able to prepare themselves uh going forward as we get to younger Generations say the Gen xers you're going to see a sliding scale of benefits rolling backwards until we get to about where you're 40 years old which is where I am where you're not going to receive benefits but of course you're also not going to have to pay the employee contribution you can take that money and invest it instead into a retirement account of mutual fund anything that's going to provide you a uh a better return on your investment than the Ponzi seam of Social Security and so this allows for those who are at retirement or near retirement to be able to retire with some sort of security it allows those who are maybe a little bit younger who are nearing retirement but still able to save up to create a better uh retirement for themselves and for younger workers uh it tells us it is our responsibility which it needs to be our responsibility to save for our own retirements should uh retirement accounts be mandatory no I don't think they should be mandatory you know I think uh if you are somebody who is going to be irresponsible with your money um eventually it's going to be charity or Mutual Aid that's going to have to help you out in the long run or family or something else but no government shouldn't be mandating that you have to save money and put it away uh it's a good idea and good ideas shouldn't require Force we're talking to chase Oliver the libertarian candidate for president of the United States uh and as uh former vice president former president Donald Trump and vice president KLA Harris are on the debate stage right now Chase is not allowed to participate uh in that debate was not invited so we decided hey we'll just have a little uh get together uh right here uh let's talk about uh sort of foreign policy National Defense talk about going after the military budget what would you cut specifically well I think we need to start uh first off removing our military footprint from war zones around the world uh we need to stop the policy of drones which these multi-million dollar drones do cost a lot of money uh but really we need to start removing our military footprint uh in terms of infrastructure Logistics uh you know we need to find the bases that are going to be easiest to close most quickly and gradually pull ourselves back uh to where we're not militarized around the world this is one of the reasons why there is so much tension with the United States foreign policy wise we have military bases all over the world it it seems like to many other nations around the world that we're trying to basically control the world through these regions through our military actions uh I think the first thing we need to do is find the quickest to close bases close those bases remove ourselves from theaters of War and to stop funding military aid to the benefit of the military industrial complex one things so uh with respect to the military and our and our base structure uh even though the the threat may have changed a lot of folks uh and for us too our national security folks say we're therefore stability and security because as long as the United States is there nobody's going to start picking up guns and start shooting each other they have a world in chaos and we got to come back and sort of clean up the mess that we sort of left you know I think honestly uh we have the world's most powerful navy uh and we have the ability to basically have floating forces fortresses around the world we can be active in any area of combat that we need to be very quickly we can we can mobilize you know this isn't World War II where it just takes you know uh a long time to be able to move logistically around the world we're able to move those resources into places we would need to be fairly quickly without having these permanent bases everywhere I think it's kind of 20th century thinking to think that we have to have permanent military installations to have military Readiness around the world uh I I think nowadays that's just not the case uh maybe it was you know uh 60 70 years ago but 2024 I think you know with the aircraft carriers intercontinental ballistic missiles drones we are able to basically uh respond anywhere we need to if we were to declare war which is the most important thing if we're going to go to war Congress should declare it that is their constitutional role we have not had a congressionally declared war formerly since World War II uh I I think it's time that we uh ask Congress to hold their responsibility uh I got a question um and by the way uh you can uh text us are your questions on uh social media and all the platforms as well uh one the things about uh is tariffs because that's been a big topic of discussion uh Donald Trump is talking about uh imposing tariffs on you know China and other foreign countries I've always argued a tariff is basically a tax increase because businesses don't pay tariffs they pass those cost long to the consumer what is your position on trade and tariffs well that's a very easy argument to make because it's exactly what it is a tariff is a tax on the consumer China does not pay that tariff trust me I worked in Maritime Logistics moving goods from one part of the world into the United you know all over the world into the United States uh I know the impact of those tariffs it's going to lead to less trade with other nations or it's going to lead to higher costs when you buy foreign Goods all of that hits the consumer at the bottom line and it does affect American jobs when you when you reduce the amount of imports we're bringing to this country you got to think about it say you're bringing a t-shirt from Vietnam right uh you bring those t-shirts in on a container that container gets unloaded in the United States by American workers it gets put on a train or a truck by American workers and is moved to a warehouse that's run by American workers and it goes on to another truck that's driven to the Walmart eventually all of that staffed by Americans all that creates American jobs down the line and when you raise the cost uh via tariffs you're actually going to cost jobs and you're going to make Goods more expensive we need to actually have a free trade Warrior who's fighting for the presidency and uh I believe I'm the only one not just the Democrats and Republicans but even the independent candidates who are out there I'm the only one who's trying to fight for a truly free market uh and I think it's the best way to engage with our neighbors because hey if I'm buying something from you or selling something to you I have a pretty good interest in not shooting at you and you have a good interest in not shooting at me and so I think it would create uh more peace around the world if we Embrace free trade and tore down these barriers so what is a free trade policy look like uh so it looks like uh you know really creating no barriers to entry for people to trade goods within or with uh outside of the United States uh and I understand not every other nation is going to honor that the same way we would uh but that's going to be their to their detriment if China puts tariffs on American Goods that's going to affect the Chinese consumer we need to be concerning ourselves what what is best for American consumers and American Business and that is to be able to have a a market of goods uh that can come in Fairly easily without any trade barriers at all so fully free trade no uh you know no ifans or butts now the question is but can you have free trade when other nations sort of subsidize their respective Industries whether it's know things like sugar or you know coffee you know automobiles if other nations are getting of other ntion of other other International companies are getting sort of subsidies from say know Germany England you know India China how can how can we have technically free trade and Americans don't do anything but the other guys getting all these sort of uh Financial advantages yeah well we need to look at what how are they getting those financial advantages you know how are they getting these subsidies these get these subsidies are coming from taxation of that nation's uh people it's coming out of the pockets of the Germans or the Italians or whever it is is putting these subsidies on their products and that's a very inefficient way to try to guide the marketplace Central planning is doomed to fail and so actually when you rely on the TR of marketplace decisions that individuals make as opposed to the hundreds or thousands of decisions made by a group of central planners you actually get greater Marketplace efficiency we're actually able to better compete uh you know and if we you know I want to remove all subsidies and deductions from all Industries in the United States and overall just lower the cost of doing business lower the tax impact uh completely removing the state's impact from business I think if we did that we'd see a much uh better allocation of resources instead of a government trying to pick winners and losers which inevitably uh will create screw-ups and so I think it's a better idea for us to just truly lower the cost of doing business overall instead of deciding what industry we want to subsidize what industry will want to give deductions to let's just truly compete and that brings up another that brings up another interesting question is because once again I understand I understand your point of view know lowering tariffs lowering trade but if other countries aren't doing it should we play by their rules until everybody lowers their trade and tariffs or should we just unilaterally no we need to call their Bluff in particular with China you know China is uh manipulating their currency they're putting up barriers to trade uh with us and what that is doing is that is creating an artificial bubble in their economy that eventually will burst lead them into recession or possibly depression we need to continue to be trading as hard as we can with the economic engine of the United States to call their Bluff and eventually when they do go Belly Up When the economy kind of turns in China we're going to hopefully see the population demanding more Market liberalism from their government and that's the way we can truly make change uh without having to fire a single shot without having to go to war let's just call them on their Bluff let them blow up their economic engine and let us continue to trade around the world as uh the true free trade Nation uh your thoughts on Russia and the situation in the Ukraine well I want to see ourselves remove ourselves militarily from that I think if there's a mil you know if Western Europe wants to supply military aid to Ukraine I think they should be free to do so but after we've given over $ 150 billion dollar of military aid um I think it's time for us to look at other ways that we can uh you know help people who are stuck in the crossfire either by allowing independent organizations to sponsor refugees to come here and get out of the war zone or by allowing amnesty for those who have been uh uh conscripted to fight in a war they don't want to fight in I believe conscription is slavery and I can think of no better use of an asylum claim than saying the government is forcing me to put a gun in my hand and kill people I don't want to do that and so I think if we offered amnesty particularly to the Russian military who's mostly made up of conscripts at this point uh we would see a lot of people laying down their arms and uh wanting something better um how however uh by not getting involved do we basically have the old domino theory effect today it's Ukraine know tomorrow it's Poland Czechoslovakia you know Austria Hungary almost almost say we I've seen this movie before yeah I you know I think maybe uh if you know if we were thinking kind of the 20th century mindset that might be the case I don't see that happening I really don't see Putin trying to roll into Western Europe if for no other reason then that would really strike a hot war with the United States um I think he's interested in Ukraine I don't think he's interested in going into a hot war with the United States uh because first off uh he would lose that war we would absolutely just destroy Russia if we got into a fully you know and fully engaged War but also we're two nuclear armed Powers I don't want to see us getting to the point where we have a pissing contest between the US and Russia because that could lead to a mushroom cloud uh and I think Vladimir Putin's also smart enough to know that too that he doesn't want to get into a pissing match with the United States uh L you know mushroom clouds appear in the Russian landscape I'm Abdul shabbaz the edit and publisher of any politics. org we're talking today to chase Oliver the libertarian candidate for president president uh Chase is not allowed to participate in the debate tonight uh between former Vice pres between former president Donald Trump and vice president K La Harris so we're sort of having a sort of sort of discussion here you can throw in your questions uh in our chat on our chat window and on the various uh Chase platforms uh let's move to the uh Middle East obviously it's been a hot bed so we're like ever since day day one um your thoughts on the Middle East particularly Israel Hamas and what should be done yeah so um first and for most I think we need to recognize October 7th was a horrible day uh and if that had occurred in the United States or in any other Nation we would be demanding some sort of response I think the response that Israel has put forward has been so heavy-handed and destructive that it's turned the any Goodwill they would have had against them in Many Nations around the world it's inflamed tensions with the Arab world we're seeing increased in inflamed tensions with Iran and Syria via Hezbollah and what's going on there and I think what we need as the United States need to be doing is disengaging ourselves from the military aid that's going on there uh demanding a ceasefire demanding a release of hostages uh as a stepping stone towards peace the biggest thing there is that both the Palestinians and the Israelis are being let down by those who claim to govern and represent them via the Netanyahu government or Hamas uh in in Gaza both populations are being let down by those quote unquote leaders and I think it's both those populations that are going to have to demand a change in leadership before peace can move forward uh your thought let's change gears a little bit let's talk about immigration and border security obviously that's a major issue a major big deal right now uh with migrants coming through uh Donald Trump is basically saying Camala Parris wants to open the borders that anybody and everybody in uh what is your position on borders and border security well I think there's definitely a crisis at our Southern border but I don't think the crisis is necessarily because immigrants want to come here and work I think we actually need immigrants to come here and work uh immigrants create jobs they create businesses they can help create Prosperity they can grow the economic pie of the United States they can provide uh replacement workers for an aging Boomer population and we need those replacement workers in the economy uh but what we have is a crisis of government complete mismanagement of how to bring those people in through the Border in an orderly fashion I want to see a 21st century LS Island come through a Port of Entry declare who you are to a background check a health check and then be given a visa to come here and work the market will dictate when we need labor where we need labor what industries we need labor in we don't need Central planning of government to do that but what we do want to do is make sure we know who's coming in uh which is what most Americans want to see uh right now we're just this crisis of red tape and Regulation and the Asylum courts are completely backed up and it's because we try to manage this through Central planning we need to allow people to come here to work labor in capital is also part of a free market and we need to have the ability for people to come here and work in particular I use the agriculture industry as a great example of what LS Island 21st 21st century LS Island could bring if you work in agriculture you really only want to be here during planting and harvesting season that's when you're making your money the rest of the time you want want to take that money and go back to your family South of the Border but under a current system you're just prevented from doing that and this notion that you know KL Harris and Joe Biden just want to let everybody in uh you know I I believe there are still border apprehensions going on right now there's still the giant ice minations that you know are terrible uh there you know there's still all sorts of human rights violations going on in our Southern border whether it's Biden as president or Trump neither of them have solved this because the two- party system is actually more concerned with kicking the can down the road and fighting over this issue than actually solving this issue because if they did they'd have one less thing to fight over what about the the immigrants who are already here well I think we need to offer them that same kind of deal you know if you want to declare yourself go through a background check you should be able to stay here with uh some sort of documentation I think those who are already here who don't want to go through that process there's probably a good reason for that uh and that would allow law enforcement actually focus on those who are here for nefarious reasons be it human trafficking uh or you know creating fraud by pressing fentol into look like Xanax pills and selling them on our streets uh you know those are things that need to be addressed uh Donald Trump Bic wants to uh uh says there 11 million people who are here undocumented legally Donald Trump wants to round them all up and send them back to wherever they came from I don't know how you start rounding up 11 million people and change but that's what the president wants to do you're a cand for president know should we start rounding people up and put them in B put them in railroad cars and send them the camps and send them on their merry way I don't know you know first and foremost it just sounds extremely like ludicrously expensive to be able to do something like that like it would cost trillions and trillions of dollars added to the debt and deficit that we just cannot afford and and also how do you how do not to cut you off here my question is how do you identify who these 11 million people are oh yeah you're gonna go door to door and you're start checking for papers there's going to be huge civil rights violations going on uh particularly for those who are like Latinos living in the southwestern part of the United States like I would be outraged if this was going to be uh the policy that the president wants to put forward because I know it's only a matter of time before a come ask me and my family for our papers uh and I think that's a gross invasion of privacy it's disgusting and it's not something we need to be seeing happening it is something out of a dystopian you know a dystopian future of going door to door to round up all the immigrants it I think it's impossible to practically do it would cost so much money it would create so many human rights violations how about we just fix the system instead of just demonizing an entire population of people and then trying to root them out of this country many places where they create jobs they create prosper either kids or US citizens what are we supposed to send these US citizens to a place they've never been uh you know there's a lot of uh problems let's just say with Donald Trump's extremely simplistic border policy views uh that just lack any kind of real Nuance we're talking to chase Oliver libertarian candidate uh for president of the United States uh Chase not participate in tonight's debate uh between KLA Harris and Donald Trump however uh we are having a sort of debate discussion and taking your questions as well so be sure to throw them up uh on the chat uh what are your platforms by the way so whats want to oh yeah you can find us chase for Liberty on all the major platforms we're on X we're on Facebook we're on Instagram uh we are on YouTube We're on Tik Tok though we're not on Tik Tok live right now we'll do a few more things on that platform uh very shortly but yeah that's where you can find us at Chase for Liberty on those platforms and of course you can go to the website vote Chase oliver.com compare my platform to that of KLA Harris and Donald Trumps do a blind taste test and I think you'll like ours the best um getting back to uh the economy uh let's talk about unemployment obviously there's a there's a skilled worker there's actually a worker shortage here in the United States there's more more jobs available Than People however a lot of uh folks who are find themselves unemployed or in sort of that lower rung of the economic ladder don't have the skill sets to fill some of those High-Tech high wage jobs uh number one your thoughts on our unemployment Situation Number Two how do we get people to skill up their skill up their abilities yeah I think uh you know it is a concern that we have uh population particularly uh workers who are getting older who are not able to kind of fully trans you know uh transform themselves into the new worker of today where you have to have these skills particularly maybe if you started working 50 years ago and you're still in the industry maybe you're not ad you know adapting quite as well to these things uh that is a concern that we have and you know I think the greatest way to address that issue is to make it easier for people to get the education that they need uh to be able to you know train themselves to advance themselves in careers and that starts with lowering the cost of Education uh and there's a lot of ways to do that via Marketplace forces first and foremost get the government out of the student loan process they artificially uh inflate the cost of higher education by inserting themselves you know over 90% of student loans are backed by the federal government uh and when you do that you know institutions of Higher Learning go oh it's basically guaranteed money so we can charge whatever we want for these programs even if it's not really at market value uh and that leaves people stuck in a student loan you know debt crisis it also creates a barrier to entry for those who maybe don't have the E you know don't have the means to uh pay thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket but also don't want to get stuck in the student loan uh spiral so we need to make the cost of getting educated particularly in these high-tech Industries things like Community College associates degrees uh less expensive but we do that not by inserting more government into higher education but actually getting government out of the business of higher education so Market forces can truly take over and and provide us the uh the skills we need for the jobs for tomorrow uh speaking of our colleges universities and full disclosure I teach uh been teaching for 20 years uh at the college and high school level so I can I think I can say this with with some sort of uh e expertise in my background uh what do your thoughts on sort of the sort of the the campus sort of I would say protests for lack of better word that been going on uh ever since uh the Israeli uh in Invasion I won't say Invasion invas not the right term then the Invasion the the Israeli military Maneuvers into Gaza and into those areas you can say invas if you want to uh but you know I I think free speech just something that should be valued and I think students should learn the value of free speech and mayble organize and protest and so long as harm is not being done to people as long as they're using their voices and not their violence uh I think they should be allowed to do that they should allowed to have their voices heard it's kind of in the you know it's kind of in the tradition of campuses of the United States to speak out especially when Wars are going on uh to be those voices of Peace maybe it's because it's that generation that if Wars break out and they expand they're the ones who are eventually going to get drafted right that's why we had the campus protest during Vietnam because they were actually being sent to go fight in these wars uh I think young people have a heart they have the empathy to say you know we want to speak out against these things um you know maybe not the most organized way to do it uh maybe not the most effective way to do it sometimes but they should be allowed to have their voices be heard free speech is something we should absolutely defend in this country even when it's controversial speech uh even when it might make some people uncomfortable uh we have to encounter uncomfortable truths all the time and uh campus protest should be no different U your thoughts on the whole debate over diversity equity and inclusion uh I believe in hiring the best people for the job I don't think you should have to really look at the the color of one's skin or one's Faith background to determine that I think we need to have you know true equality uh in terms of treatment under the law in terms of bidding processes uh but no I don't think we should have to create diversity artificially through quotas uh first off we are a more and more diverse Nation as the years go on so naturally our Workforce is going to continue to diverse as we go in and uh I don't think we need to have government programs to make that happen um just to push back just a little bit on whole diversity equ inclusion I fundamentally I agree with you we should all be treated equally but there's some situations where maybe someone of a similar culture background might actually work in a better position than say someone else uh for example if I'm dealing with like you know inner city Urban Youth some some white guy from Noblesville or from some somewhere probably won't be the the best person to connect with that particular individual because they don't have not a whole lot culturally yeah and again you're hiring the best person for theob job it doesn't have anything to do with any kind of quota or or hey we need to have X number of people of uh of this race or of this background or of this culture to be participating no you hire the best person for the best for the job if you're hiring for somebody who's going to be working in the city hiring somebody who's lived in the city and interacted with that City might be better than hiring from somebody who's coming from the suburbs who has no real interaction with that Community you're still hiring the best person for the job uh no Dei required um let's uh change gears a little bit and uh talk about the our court our Judicial System there's been a lot of uh controversy the Supreme Court with their decision with with Donald Trump's immunity with the affirmative action decision the whole nine yards uh is it time for our Judiciary to be reformed or is judiciary fine as it is well you know I I actually think we need to be um looking to the judicial branch actually uh more in some cases in terms of things like you know protecting consumers from um you know pollution and other things we need to remove tort caps from that or from medical malpractice so that way uh people who have been wronged can actually get adjudicated in court and actually you know bankrupt some of these people who are doing wrong by them uh instead of having Tor caps which are like you know government mandated slaps on the wrist actually as a lawyer I've never been a big fan of capsu on Damages but that's just me that's that's myal comment for hey I don't think any lawyer is going to have a problem with no caps on Damages uh so yeah I'm getting that trial lawyer vote with that one but uh no but the truth is is that I think the judicial system can be used in that way do I think it needs reform um ideally like if I could wave a magic wand I would love to have like term limit for the Supreme Court of 18 years so that way every two years you're putting a new person in the court unless a death occurs um but that would require us to amend the Constitution and that is very very difficult to do there's a high threshold and uh whether it's judicial power or Congressional term limits limiting that uh is going to be a bit of a challenge uh Donald Trump accused uh Joe Biden KLA Harris of sort of quote weaponizing the justice system to go after him disagree with that but your thoughts on the the justice system and is the J system being weaponized well I think you know it's not anything new to see people in power wielding that power to the you know to to uh kind of push their policies forward I don't think uh that's anything new and in fact if you listen to Donald Trump just yesterday he was at a rally talking about how he's going to punish all the wrongdoers who did all the wrongdoing in the 2020 election and all those people and uh it certainly sounds like to me that he wants to use his you know if he were to be reelected to use the uh the justice department as his own uh weapon as a cudgel to you know bludgeon his opponents with that is not the purpose of a justice department the Justice Department is supposed to be truly impartial uh if I were elected president I would of course appoint an attorney general and then I would be about his hands off without his Department as completely possible because you are also subject to the laws in the land's president and you should be recognizing that the justice department should be something that's wholly separate from your political aims from you wanting to punish your political opponents uh that's not what it should be geared towards it should be geared towards uh defending the civil liberties of the American people that's the purpose of a justice department that's the you know why we should have that uh sadly though and again it's nothing new um people in power use that to their own ends at Joe Biden and KLA Harris have certainly done this I think Donald Trump did this during his four years it's why uh Bob bar resigned for instance he wanted to utilize the the justice department in a way that Bob bar found to be uncomfortable so he resigned um I don't think this is anything new sadly from those in power uh maybe we need to elect a Libertarian or somebody who's got uh the brains in their head to say you know we shouldn't be wielding uh the justice Department as a weapon against our enemies um when uh if you become president obviously the president makes a federal appointment to the Judiciary Congress has Constitution uh the Senate confirms him um one of the big uh debates always been about uh how should the Constitution be interpreted are you originalist is it more of a living breathing document uh what is how do you interpret the Constitution well you know I think there is original intent there but I also think if we just only went by original intent uh we would um if if we went by original intent alone then the you know the first event would only cover the printing press and the quill you know it does cover you know 21st century technology does cover what's set online it does cover you know all forms of Comm communication so the the Constitution has to grow uh with the culture that is around it that does not mean uh that you can just interpret things out of thin air it does mean that there's original intent and that intent needs to be put through a 21st century prism um so I'm somebody who thinks that uh you know maybe I'm not a RCT originalist like in the ranquist or the Scalia version of things but I'm also not somebody who likes to see legislating from the bench uh whole cloth creating doctrines that's how we got things like qualified immunity and other things that I'm really opposed to actually why opposed to qualified immunity well because it creates a different legal standard for those who are in law enforcement or in government uh to cover civil prosecution you know I think if you do wrong doesn't matter what industry you're in people should be able to take you to court and adjudicate that uh and just because you know you're law enforcement officer who thought they were doing something constitutional at the time or it doesn't fit the St judges should not just be able to toss these out arbitrarily it should still be seen by a jury uh citizens should still be able to determine the guilt or innocence there or the uh the culpability of what's going on uh you know I I don't see any other industry where we just say wholesale well you know a lot of times we'll just toss that out but but on the qualified munity thing uh if you're a government employee and you're trying to do your job uh and you're doing your job well but somebody wants to sue you for whatever reason is going to cost you time energy resources I should should there be some level of qualified immunity for just for the day-to-day governmental stuff no what I'd rather see is uh we or are we setting basically you know every law enforcement officer every firefighter you know every ambulance driver every mayor every city council member to be sued well you know I think uh honestly a better way of having instead of having qualified immunity a better way to handle that is is if you bring up a lawsuit that is deemed arbitrary and has no standing uh you should be responsible for paying the legal fees of the people that you're suing uh and that would stop people from these you know frivolous lawsuits if they knew hey if I'm if I'm going to put a frivolous lawsuit of there and a judge clearly sees that I'm doing this for BS reasons and now I have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket that's an incentive to have people not do that uh and I think that's a far better incentive than creating the doctrine of qualified immunity which allows uh bad actions to happen in uh from government or law enforcement officials then they get swept under the rug uh speaking of law enforcement uh we had uh quite a few issues in this country as of whether was a George Floyd and what happened with him uh the most recent uh shooting we saw recently police action shooting your your thoughts on uh on on all all this police action shooting stuff well uh this is another reason why I think we need to see two other criminal justice reforms one of them being mandatory body cams uh because you know it should never be an officer's word against uh a witness or in many cases a dead body as to what happened in a situation um you know an example I use is that in uh my home state of Georgia the Georgia State Patrol does not have body cams because they say ah we mostly just pull people over for speeding tickets so we have the car dash that's all we need but one out of every three shootings in that department happens away from that car camera and that's too many and so we need to be mandating body cams that we know exactly what police officers are doing in these situations the other thing we need to have is officers holding personal liability insurance so when they do wrong and when they are sued and there's no qualified immunity when a judgment comes it doesn't come out of the parks or the other uh you know taxpayer funded local you things in that Community it comes out of that personal liability insurance policy uh that's also a free market incentive by the way to get bad cops off the streets because if you've done too many bad things you become uninsurable and so that's what we want to see is we want to see uh a free market incentive to get bad cops off the beat so we have a more honest profession uh transgender lgbtq rights uh you know I think you should be able to have uh equal rights oh we dropped out oh can y'all still hear us oh well if they can still hear us we'll keep we'll keep talking and we'll try to fix the video side uh trans and lgbtq rights U I believe you should have the right to live as your authentic self in peace if you're not harming anybody and that includes trends that includes lgbtq people um and ultimately I leave for instance for Trans issues the instance of medical issues to be left in the realm of a a patient and a doctor um as opposed to letting the government get involved there we don't need Central planning bureaucrats who have no idea what's going on uh in that person head and that person's body or in that doctor's room you know that doctor's office to be legislating what's going on there oh we've had about I want to say I want to say 10 years I think uh since samex marriage was legalized the Supreme Court issued the overfell decision uh your thoughts on uh like I said the lgbtq issues from that perspective well as far as marriage goes you know ideally as a Libertarian uh I think the state could ultimately be fully removed from the idea of marriage altogether we could be getting private marriage contracts outside of the offices of government uh but absent that ideal for me um I think anybody should be able you know any consenting adult should be able to enter into a marriage agreement with any anyone else uh I think you know despite what the critics might have said a decade ago uh the sky is not falling Western Civilization is not Fallen there are no fine monkeys had taken us to o yeah we haven't married our dogs you know like all these things that were told were going to be happening when you know when I was young and I you George W bush wanted to put a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage because it will lead to the downfall of society you know we just haven't seen that the case and uh I'm happy to have been proven right our guest on the pr is our good friend Chase Oliver uh Chase is libertarian libertarian candidate for president of the United States uh we got about uh 40 minutes and some change left uh in our conversation with Chase Oliver uh as the debate takes place uh between vice presidential candidate uh K Harris and uh Donald Trump as they VI for the Republican Democrat uh dominations um let switch gears to January 6 um your your thoughts uh on it uh Donald Trump he say said he had nothing to do with it uh some folks called inter Insurrection I it was basically treeson trying to overthrow the government uh but your thoughts on January 6 well I think for Donald Trump to CLA try to claim that he had nothing to do with it is quite laughable considering he was on a stage giving a speech to many of these people encouraging them to march the capital uh and then of course when the when the violence started breaking out he was urged to you know call on the National Guard tell these people go home and he didn't for four hours you know he could have much earlier on sent out a video saying Hey you know I respect your passion I respect you thinking that I you know saying that I won the election I you know he I agree you he would have said I agree with you on these things but it's not good to create violence uh and I I think he failed in that regard um you know and to me uh I'll just say as as a Libertarian right like I want to overthrow a lot of things the government does like if we're going to be marching the capital it better be for a better reason than to inst Donald Trump for his second term when he didn't win the election uh I think there were much better reasons to go after the government than that uh but ultimately you know I I think much of what happened that day uh was very embarrassing like it was just embarrassing to see like how quickly that stuff all broke down and for those you know I I see people who say oh it's nothing more than basically a guided tour this that and the other if that's what it was we wouldn't have all been watching on television like I remember that day I was working you know remotely and I remember like on the office chat like everybody's like are you watching what's going on on television oh my God everyone turn on the TV um if it was just another day at the capol just a regular protest that wouldn't have been the case and so I think it's it's kind of denying reality to say oh it was just a guided tour um but I also think you know Donald Trump uh tries to downplay his own responsibility there and of course he does because he doesn't want to feel embarrassed by the fact that uh he tried to kind of sick a mob onto the capital oh one of the big so uh in the whole January 6 uh discussion in the subtext has been the issue of quotequote election interference and election integrity and folks trying to in those Battleground states where things didn't go quite the way folks had hoped they would maybe sort of toughening the rules a little bit uh what is Chase Oliver's position on Election Integrity well I think the biggest election interference we see is coming from the two- party system that denies alternative voices in the boutot there's a reason why I'm not in the debate stage tonight it's because the two-party system is colluded to deny alternative options in the debate stage that is its own form of election interference uh by denying the uh the voters a choice or actually being able to see their choices uh on on a Level Playing Field with the Democrats and Republicans um I I you know I want to see secure elections I do think um I'm I'm an old school guy I think having paper ballots that can be counted and recounted is better than electronic voting machines that are hard to audit uh personally um but you know ultimately I I will say this Joe Biden won the 2020 election Donald Trump lost it uh I don't think there was enough discrepancies uh to have turned that tide there's always going to be some measure of uh wrong counting or illegal voting these things uh but I don't think what happened in 2020 Rises to the level of that would have flipped the outcome at all well Donald Trump uh just said in the debate uh claimed that he actually won the 2020 election like maybe like on Earth four uh but he does bring up an interesting question uh how can you ensure our voters our elections fair and they can trust the results well you know I that is a a great question because ultimately that's the responsibility of secretary of states and countries or in States across the country as well as County election officials remember this presidential election is not one election it's actually thousands of countywide Elections that are happening all over the country um you know I don't think there is a silver bullet to creating trust in the American people other than trying to have a you know a a more accountable way to vote which is why I support paper ballots over uh electronic voting machines that are harder for folks to audit um I think that provides a certain level of trust uh opening up the ballot access so more people can run for office so you're not gaming the system on that end and then ending the process of gerrymandering I think that's one of the things that's just not talked about enough when it comes to secure and uh you know and fair elections is the fact that you the parties in power have basically manipulated to Safe districts for them and safe districts for the others uh and that is its own form of assault on our democracy um let's talk about Jerry Mander uh how should Jerry Mandarin or how should districts be drawn should be drawn by an independent commission should they be drawn by by the legislators because or argue as long as there people involved there will always be some politics involved regardless so I guess how do you sort of minimize that because even you have a quotequote independent commission well who appoints independent commission the politicians do yeah I I would support an independent commission uh if for no other reason other than I don't want legislators doing that because then they're legisl you know they're deciding their own districts for the races that they themselves are going to be in running and sure sure any human being is corruptible but I think having an independent a you know organization a group of people community members who don't have a vested interest because they're not running for office in those districts uh is is less corruptible than letting state legislatures do this um which you know in my home state of Georgia like 60% of the Congressional races at state level uh are running unopposed right now they either have one Democrat or one Republican and it's because they've gerrymandered them to be safe red or safe blue districts and they disallow any kind of competition from coming on the ballot there's no green party to challenge the Democrats those safe blue districts or a Libertarian to challenge the Republicans or or you know any other party to like jump in there and and be a true competition so uh it's it's sad unfortunately voters are just left with too few options Our Guest is Chase Oliver who's having a part of our conversation tonight uh as uh Donald Trump and kamla Harris have their debate we're having debate discussion here uh with Chase Oliver uh Chase uh something you said uh was interesting uh actually I'm take this question first Americans feel like they have to pick sort of the lesser of of two evils so to speak um why should uh folks uh look for a Libertarian Choice who are tired of sort of the the traditional standard two- party system well you know first off if you're picking the lesser of Two Eagles you're still picking evil at the end of the day you're picking somebody that you're not fully satisfied with um because you're scared of the alternative uh I don't like voting out of fear I like voting out of you know optimism and who's going to provide the best Vision forward for the country uh but there's plenty of reasons to vote for the libertarian candidate especially if you feel that those two are the two evils that you're having to P the Lesser up you can help build the libertarian party up in States all over the country with ballot access with major party status wins uh and you can also signify to the Democrats and Republicans What policies you want to see most if the libertarian candidate if myself who is pushing uh the top of my policy platform balancing the budget getting inflation under control if we win a lot of votes that is a signal to the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that more and more voters want to see that action on the economy and so not only is it a signal to those who are currently in power uh it helps build up the foundation for something that can ultimately over the long term challenge the two- party system you want to vote libertarian in 2024 so we have a viable libertarian party in 2028 2032 and every election going for that we can build upon and create a true competitor of the two-party system uh in the long term uh anywhere concern because one of the big criticisms I hear about third party candidates particularly Libertarians that you guys are quotequote spoilers that that with with you on the ballot in certain places that's going to probably hurt Donald Trump more than kamla Harris your thoughts on Libertarians being quotequote spoilers yeah I prefer the term disruptor I think we disrupt the two-party system uh more than spoil it because frankly the two-party system itself has already spoiled rotten to the core if you look at the Congressional approval ratings it's consistently under 20% but if you look at the incumbent re-election rate it's consistently over 90% that is a signifier that the system itself is broken and spoiled rotten to the core all we Libertarians are doing is challenging that system providing a better alternative for V voters and disrupting it as much as possible and so whether I disrupt this election and it benefits one or the other does not matter to me because both of them are two sides of a terribly broken corrupt duopoly coin that the American people just cannot afford any longer it's continuing to create more division more hyperarch more Strife more hatred of our neighbors and continuing the debts the deficits and the wars around the world that we're just not going to see anything different regardless of uh which of those duopolists win in November if it's not me how do we return to a sense of Civility uh in this country because I remind folks that yes things are uh almost sort of hyper partisan these days but back in the found of the Republic what these guys said and wrote about each other was like oh my God I came they God Twitter wasn't around you know in 1789 when they're writing the Constitution that Jefferson us a real butthole yeah it would you know I think John Adams you I think one of the ways we would have uh I think one of the ways we can increase civility in this country is changing the way we vote I think the plurality uh voting model has What's led to this division because it creates this artificial need to have a top two or two party system if we had rank Choice voting people would first not feel afraid that they vot let what exactly R chice vote I know it is you know it is but like so it's like an instant runoff so If no candidate on the race gets over 50% they knock off the lowest vote getter and whoever those people uh voted for second that's where their vote flows to and so let's say you're you want to vote libertarian and you don't want KLA Harris to win you put the libertarian me first then you put Donald Trump second and you don't rank KLA Harris and then if I don't hit the threshold if you know if I'm the lowest vote getter they knock me off and your SEC your your vote flows your second choice and this leads to at least nominally over 50% of the population is in support of that candidate or approves of that candidate uh I think it is a better way to run elections and it creates more civility because if you're the libertarian and you're getting five or six% of the vote well maybe the Democrats and Republicans will come into one of your meetings and say hey Libertarians I know you're going to mark your libertarian candidates first in the ballot but here's the things that we're going to do if you mark a second in the ballot we end up getting elected we're going to do X Y and Z that's part of your party platform this would create more civility more Coalition building uh and more representative uh democracy where people were actually you know fighting for what the people want and not just for what the partisan bases are fighting for and so I think rank Choice voting would go a go a heck of a lot you know uh towards creating more cility in our elections and recognizing the the value of independent and third party voices Oh speaking of lobbyists and elections uh I always want to get your thoughts this because it's it sort of seems like uh almost s of a dichotomy on the one hand you want the free market to sort of operate in all aspects of life but at the same time you don't want an oligarchy of Lobby is sort of running your government so I guess how do you how do you balance those two well you know I I think one of the things we can do is uh honestly when it comes to business you know fighting lobbyists by just flattening the tax code and removing all these carve outs and deductions and the things that they've lobbied for on behalf of mostly giant you know corporate interests there's a reason why small businesses create the most jobs in this country or the the economic engine in this country but the profits are mostly with these giant corporate multinationals it's because those the ones that can afford to Lobby our Congress um I would fight to remove their influence by removing all these carbots and deductions overall and just flattening the cost of starting a business and so that way we have a truly competitive Marketplace that's not being gamed uh by lobbyists who buy and trade our legislators like auction at a cattle yard what does a Chase Aller tax plan look like oh it looks like cutting as much government as possible so we can continue to lower the tax rate as much as possible for every single American you know ideally uh you know again I'm a minarchist we me we talked about this the uh the other day when we were on the radio you know minarchy is like the minimal amount of government we think is necessary and ideally that would be voluntarily funded uh so like in the absolute North ideal we would have no forced compuls you know compulsory taxation uh but in the meantime when we work towards that ideal I think what we need to be doing is reducing the impact of Taxation on individuals and businesses as much as possible so that way uh they can you know allocate those resources and more effectively and efficiently in the free Marketplace uh I want to go back uh to the uh Israel question I had a question from R audence here what would you do to get uh negotiate with Netanyahu uh to get the hostages back that are being held right now by Hamas uh so you know I think one of the things you know we would want to do is uh Netanyahu would need to put forward a ceasefire plan we need to see the ceasefire happening I think before we're going to see the release of hostages because we're going to need a cessation of violence before we see H you know the Palestinians led by Hamas taking their first step forward you know after tens of thousands of gosin innocent Goins have been killed uh I don't think it's too much to ask for a ceasefire uh for a full ceasefire in exchange for negotiations on uh the hostages I I think that has to be the first step taken by Israel uh it has to be that you know first good faith step without that I don't think you're going to see the release of the hostages I got about uh 15 minutes left we have to wrap up uh energy um wind solar oil all the above I'm very much an all of the above guy uh so you know the largest energy sector that we give deductions or that we give giveaways to uh in terms of tax breaks and things like this is carbon based energy oil natural gas and coal we still give lots of subsidies to Green energy as well I want to remove all that all together and just create a free market of energy and I think the biggest way uh the biggest thing we need to do is actually remove all the red tape and Regulatory burdens that have existed around nuclear power for far too long that has kept it from being truly competitive you know I'm not going to pick the winners and losers as president of the United States but I can give you a prediction if we had a true free market of energy you'd see a lot more nuclear power plants coming online with smaller Footprints in terms of you don't have to do acres and Acres of solar panels or wind farms uh you don't put carbon into the air the waste can be stored and moved and maintained uh and so ultimately I think in a true free market nuclear would be what would win in the long term to power ourselves the rest of the century and beyond uh energy um obviously um like I said you know nuclear Powers is a way to go but what about U some of the alternative uh alternative sources of energy yeah we I you know I think there's a place for all of these things in the in the energy portfolio uh I do think that you know there's there's going to be places for wind power and places for solar power and geothermal power and you know we're even seeing now you know collection collecting energy from title you know from the title movements that kind of stuff uh there will be a place for all of that in the portfolio of free market energy um I just happen to think that nuclear is going to be the one that ultimately wins the market share there in the long term um but what we want to see is we want to see uh you know energy being as competitive as any other Marketplace by removing the uh the government hand there of picking winners and losers um let's talk uh one of the one the big issues uh that the voters will take up this ction season is the abortion question uh it's on the referendum in a number of different states uh the abortion just approved in the state of uh Missouri where I went to law school the the question is going to be to enshrine abortion rights up to viability in their uh Missouri State uh Constitution Ohio uh just did it recently uh so like said all over the place over over the B once I think it's like down in Florida also uh this go around as well um your thoughts the abortion issue where are you on Reproductive Rights reproductive Freedom well uh I am pro-choice I do believe that you know I believe usually the most local government is possible and I think when it comes to the question of abortion and body autonomy that local government is your own self-governance your own control over your own body and so I would like to see uh you know uh abortion being legal to the point of viability and then post viability having a doctor sign off on health of the life of the mother in those extremely rare cases um you know and I have also always been a supporter of the height Amendment which doesn't allow federal funds to fund abortion uh because when there's such a contentious issue you know I I find problems with taking people's tax I don't want to tax anything this is just one less thing to tax or use taxpayer money for rather um but ultimately I think there are steps we can take with the pro-life Community to actually reduce the number of abortions uh making birth control over the counter reducing the red tape around adoption we'll make those options more viable than uh having an unwanted pregnancy that you then have to terminate and so I think there are steps we can take to absolutely reduce the number of abortions in this country without making it illegal as for the uh you know electoral impact you know I think in red States even in the redest of States like Kansas you've seen abortion being defended at the ballot I think it's going to draw a lot of Voters who want to see abortion rights defended I don't know the Electoral effect that's going to have uh but voters who are voting to preserve abortion rights in those states can also feel comfortable in voting for Chase Oliver for president because I am somebody who will defend your body autonomy and your medical Freedom uh with regards to reproductive Health um uh shootings school shootings mass shootings uh we just had another mass shooting uh not too long ago uh near your home I believe yeah about an hour or so away um what if anything can be done to to address this issue well you know first the shooting that happened at appalachi uh High School definitely hit close to home I have family that lives in Winder I have nephews that go to school in the school AC you know I have nephew that goes to school in the school across town and we know uh some of the victims that have been harmed in that shooting um my my nephew does in particular and so when I say it hits close to home I mean it um but I don't think that we need to be going to uh just running to gun control as the solution I think that's the solution been put forward by democrats the truth is is guns have always been a part of our culture here in the United States we need to examine what are the X factors that have uh popped up since uh shootings in schools have become you know more commonplace since Coline forward I think the two major issues is uh the rise of social media the ability for people to go online uh to say things they would never say in polite company behind a faceless Avatar I have some experience with that and of course when you are you know and of course if you're somebody who's lonely or isolated you can find your way right into very extremist thought play you know EX extremist points of view online uh so parents need to be maybe paying attention more to what their kids are consuming online and consuming what they're you know and what they're going through and the other big thing is mental health issues that are with these shooters uh we're seeing an entire generation of lonely young men who are being prescribe drugs as opposed to talk therapy or other methods to you know to to help with those problems and in many cases you're seeing side effects that lead to Violent idias uh and we've seen many of these shooters actually on these drugs themselves uh so that correlation maybe need to be examined and of course we need to harden the targets of our schools we need make it harder for somebody to come into a school and do violence both by making it harder to get entry into that school and also removing the The Lure of gun-free zones making sure that we have you know if we do have resource officers who armed of course if there are teachers who want to go through some sort of training to show that they are able to defend themselves and defend their classrooms we should allow them to be able to do that as well our guest in the program is Chase Oliver the libertarian candidate for president we with him for about uh little about nine more minutes uh left to go so if got a question or comment or thought uh feel free to go ahead and post it uh on one of platforms and we'll be more than happy uh to get that out there um also uh uh I got another question from other callers I'm here uh Trump says uh if he wins he will talk to Putin to settle this War uh do you believe that Trump uh could settle the War uh in the Ukraine well he says he's going to do it before if he gets elected before he even takes the O of office um I don't think that uh you know Putin's just going to be easily deterred by Donald Trump going there and just you know sitting around a conference room I think what's really going to happen if Trump gets elected is the way he's going to pressure Russia in the war is um I I worry he's going to threaten escalation and that's going to provoke even further action I don't think he can just you know oh I got this all tidied up that's not the way things really work and I think Donald Trump often speaks both simp uh in with with simplistic and hyperbolic uh language that might be great for somebody who's not really thinking about stuff but if you're really want to get into the long run he's not going be able to walk into the room and oh while just in this war with Putin tomorrow uh there is a third actor there there is the ukrainians they might have something to say about that um we got a couple minutes left here so you have a question or thought off for Mr Oliver uh I'll save my last question for you uh in a couple minutes uh anything that uh we didn't talk about that you wanted to hit tonight uh you know I think the the biggest thing that we're going to be seeing from KLA Harris and Donald Trump is them continuing to attack each other's records as opposed to providing a Clear principled Vision for what we want to see going forward now I'm not watching the debate because I'm talking with you right now so maybe maybe both of them have completely articulated clear Visions for what they want to see going forward and haven't attacked each other at all but if I was a betting man uh I would say that that's probably not the case and so I'm hoping those who are watching this today can see somebody who is articulating their positions who's talking more about what we want to see going forward from the libertarian party the libertarian philosophy than just merely attacking uh my opponents because if all I did was attack KLA Harris and Donald Trump I would be no better than Donald Trump or KLA Harris oh what makes your your candacy differ than different than say Gary Johnson who ran back in 20 16 2020 well you know I think it's kind of a different lived experience I'm the first Millennial candidate for president across the country I think I'm the first candidate who's actually had to grow up in the post 911 world so maybe that's shaped my worldview a little different than those who grew up in the Cold War mindset um I'm somebody who's had to go to you know work every day and live uh you know you know live that life of having to stretch paycheck to paycheck and seeing the bite of inflation uh that maybe you know Gary having been a governor and you know been very successful businessman ahead of time maybe was a little removed from but that's nothing against Gary Johnson I was super happy to vote for him in 2012 and 2016 uh but I think the biggest experience is you know I haven't been in the trenches of government I've been in the trenches of real life and activism uh which you know provides me a different Insight than say an exg Governor we have any more questions from our audience or let's see we knock out a couple more questions real quick here uh ah drug policy your position on drugs yeah I want to end the drug war I think it's been a massive failure I think if we want to just tally up the wins and losses in the War on Drugs it's pretty clear that drugs won the war because drugs are cheaper more potent and more available than they were at the beginning of the war on drugs one thing I noticed uh not to catch up let you finish whenever we my theory is whenever we declare war on something this country we using them getting more more of it war on poverty War on Drugs war and terrorism yeah exactly and so for me I think we need to end the drug war model and actually switch to a decriminalization model allowing adults to consume what they want to consume treating addiction as a a mental a mental uh or not a sorry medic issue rather I don't know why got stuck on that but as a medical issue that needs to be addressed um and not something that needs to be adjudicated by throwing people in jail creating trauma factories uh you know what's worse if you're an addict you get thrown in jail uh you get traumatized for the time you're in jail and the second you get out what's the first thing you do you try to alleviate that trauma by going right back to the addiction uh I think there is a a much better policy we take for it and using mutual and direct Aid to address the crisis of addiction uh outside of the realm of government individual organizations uh helping to address the needs in their communities uh and find more rehab beds than prison beds I think that'd be a better way to address Addiction in our lives but drugs in particular hey do what you want to do as long as you're not hurting anybody you know uh and uh yeah Legalize It what okay and obviously uh legalizing marijuana I totally get and fully support but the question is what the more dangerous drugs like things like fentol and also not so much the user but the dealer yeah well ultim I think the question of fentanyl is more about a question of fraud I don't think people intentionally take fentanyl uh and so fraud is an issue when people are like I said taking Fel and pressing them to look like Xanax pills and you see people oding or they're putting it into the heroin to make the heroin more potent so they can cut it um that is a question of fraud of product and if we actually end the war on drugs you could actually properly test what it is you're taking to know like so in the nation of Portugal they decriminalize drugs and you can actually take your heroin to a pharmacy and they will test it for you for a small feet to let you know if it's cut with anything that would actually increase the quality of product if we decriminalized uh because we could address the fraud issue as it were but again uh if fitall were legal would you take fentanyl if it were legal today I like taking my high blood pressure medication yeah I wouldn't take it either so I don't think that the illegality is what's keeping people from taking it's the the extreme danger and keeping it illegal is what allows the fraud to exist that is causing more and more overdoses I'm trying to imagine my pharmacist at Walgreens cutting my heroin down into and testing the quality of the grade of it hey you know it's a It's A Brave New World we live in and that's what they do in Portugal and it seems to work out really well they had the highest IV drug use in all of Western Europe before they uh decriminalized drugs now they have the lowest addiction rates in Western Europe they've curbed the the growth of HIV and hepatitis in those communities because they allow clean needles and clean use sites and so uh to me just looking at the you know a nation that's actually done it and seeing the positive aspects of that I think that's something we want to we want to move more in that direction as opposed to the War on Drugs Direction we've been having since Richard Nixon with uh no real success again drugs have won the war on drugs um my final question for you because we're almost out of time I'll give you uh basically two three minutes to make your closing statement to our audience well my name is Chase Oliver I'm the libertarian candidate for president of the United States and I want your vote because I know that voters deserve better than kamla Harris and Donald Trump I know voters deserve to have someone who wants to represent them their families and their interest and Empower them to live the lives that they want to live we don't want to see the crushing inflation that's been caused by the bid Administration the Trump administration's continuance of debt and deficit spending which is the primary driver of the inflation that hits your grocery cart when you go to the store and you see less and less uh filling that up for the same amount of money uh it is the libertarian party that wants to end the Warfare State around the world and bring about true foreign policy that's rooted the ideas of peace and diplomacy free trade and voluntary exchange it's the libertarian party that wants to solve the crisis of immigration at our Southern border not by kicking the can down the road for another decade but by recognizing that we need immigrant labor we need facilitate the ability for people to come here and work and start their American Dream It's a Libertarian party that wants to get the government out of your life whether it's in your bedroom your boardroom or just your own thoughts and the things you say and the way you express yourself I believe you should be able to live as your authentic self in peace and if you're not harming anybody your life should be your life your body should be your body your property should be your property and your business should be your business not mine and not anyone else at the federal governments and if you think sounds like a good idea I encourage you to go to vote Chase oliver.com encourage your friends and neighbors and Community to go to votas oliver.com and support this campaign and help us travel across the country speaking this powerful positive message of Liberty that stands in stark contrast the the Doom and Gloom and pessimism of the Democratic and Republican parties Jas Oliver sir thank you very much for being with us always going to talk to you oh thank you very much and peace love and Liberty to everybody who's out there