seemed to be clutching his face and Georgie kabakov the referee doing the right thing and I think he was caught by the body of theore who Stoops to complete the job now yovich down the right Harry Wilson will track the run and concede another corner for Montenegro who are enjoying some decent pressure at the start of the second half with Wales leading by two goals to nil this is where you sit there as a manager they've just had Le because of the players they've brought in when he gets them all on the pitch so let's get give him a bit of time but offensively they do not have enough match winners in the team do not have enough goals in the team you know they relied G ATA got double figures last year as a young glad you know he's learning still played himself into the ground he played so many minutes he did great yeah did really well rashford can't find his form again we know he's capable but he's not got he's not there at the minute Bruno is a Creator he can't rely on your number 10 for goals he will chip in because he's a super Talent he's the one who you can rely on to keep trying to make happen but they do not have the Firepower to get near the top four the The Other Place Danny I sometimes look at their team and worry about it is in your old position in central Midfield um yeah look they brought in oat but he's been brought in there I think to shore up the team Kobe Manu is a fantastically talented player but in the in the modern game let put other way the game way it's currently played you almost need two powerhouses in there um because this you know the forward players are and the fullbacks are going ahead of you and all the rest of it um I I they haven't got that balance right for years it seems to me Manchester United and they've tried a number of different combinations of players in there in the engine room they've not quite got it right who whoever plays holding Midfield in those two positions if you like whether it's one an isolated one or it's a two yeah they can only be really good defensively if two in two ways one their wonderful athletes like rodri or Dean rice if not you're two wide men and your number 10 also have to be good positionally and do the work so man City's defensive stability if you like or Arsenal's doesn't just come because they've got Dean rice or rodri it comes because when sacka or when Martinelli or when Trad or when Bernardo Silva when he plays right or when dku when they lose the ball they get back in so fast and so quick they're committed to it are they yeah and when de bruyne plays a 10 or foden they defend like demons now Bruno strength isn't his defensive work and the two wide boys for Manu are not great running back I don't mean they don't try they're just not they don't sense danger very well it's not and that's partly the manager not having a system that he works on that shows them what to do constantly without the ball when Man City don't have the ball they're one of the best teams in the world when Arsenal don't have the ball they're probably one of the top three teams in the world and that's because they're coach to an inch of their life and then the other thing is this and why klopp had success as well if you don't do the work without the ball you don't play and at Manu too many point at Manu too many of them keep getting picked when they don't do the work without the ball and that's it United are generally too difficult to play against which I think look actually beginning of the season first two games for Liverpool looked a bit better you know first half against Brighton who with a better team Fulham okay opening day was a bit not great but still reasonably comfortable second half I I just don't see how is going to L the season with with the squad he's got because he's so light on Firepower Darren you've got you can I'll give the last word to you on tonight's um kickoff here on talk sport um you you you control a whole Army of journalists from your lofty Ivory Tower there in the wherever the mirror is built built based these days um have you got one person on on sort of um death watch for Eric tenh what as in um somebody who is going to following the last let me just say if let's say let's say that they get a two2 draw on the south coast at the weekend um how do you think that you and the other members of the press will react to that well I mean Danny summed it up all really well it wouldn't you started this whole conversation by saying uh Under Pressure three games in but it's not three games in it's two seasons and three games in but they gave him another lease of life and he has he hasn't got all his players on the pitch all of that is true but the fact is that you're Manchester United and you don't get those ex excuses at say a real Madrid a byan Munich there are lots of other clubs where you don't get that time no listen look let's let let Christmas will be the by by Christmas we'll know we we will but by then United will be so far behind the top teams it will just be and then what you'll have and you know this good top managers don't want to come in and work with other players players uh sorry other do pay off not sure possibly possibly I've just got just qu just got quickly go back on someone who's messed something in don't agree with the dean rice statement Morgan Rogers run in ragged at Villa Park well I did the game and he didn't because Morgan Rogers was brilliant in that game but it was parte who was playing the holding role rice was ahead of parte playing as as an eight and one of the reasons cuz I did this game one of the reasons Rogers had so much joy is because Dean rice wasn't playing in the holding role not not because he was listen than thank you very much indeed and thank you both for the last three hours Darren Lewis and Danny Murphy there great substitution appearance tonight D you very man to get through without straining a fetlock as well so that's all good isn't it listen thank you both thank you all for listening even a part of the show we really really appreciate your time and your