IT. >> BEST >> I WANT TO ALSO BRING IN SOMEONE WHO KNOWS A LOT ABOUT JON AND KATE GOSSELIN, PAULEY KALE. SHE STARTED BLOGGING ABOUT THE GOSSELINS AFTER THEY MOVED TO HER SMALL TOWN OF WERNERSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA. AND LATER WROTE THE BOOK, JON AND KATE PLUS 8 REALITY TV AND THE SELLING OF THE GOSSELINS. SHE'S ALSO A PROFESSIONAL COUNSELOR SPECIALIZING IN PTSD, MOOD DISORDERS AND RELATIONSHIP CHALLENGE POLLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR BEING ON THE PROGRAM. I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR AND TO BE FAIR TO KATE IN THESE ALLEGATIONS, COLIN DIAGNOSED WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AND I'LL JUST LET THEM OFF UNSPECIFIED BIPOLAR DISORDER AND RELATED DISORDERS, AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER, ATTENTION DEFICIT HYPERACTIVITY DISORDER, OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER, OPPOSITIONAL DEFIANT DISORDER AND PTSD. BUT HE SAYS THAT HE WAS COMMITTED JUST TO SHUT HIM UP. I HAVE A TOUGH TIME BELIEVING THAT THERE'S ANY FACILITY OUT PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY OR OTHERWISE THAT WOULD SIMPLY COMMIT SOMEONE BECAUSE OF MOM WANTED TO SHUT THEM UP. >> I DON'T DIFFICULT BELIEVING THAT. AND I THINK KATE IS A VERY STRONG-WILLED PERSON WITH A STRONG PERSONALITY AND IS KERR IS NOT IT. I THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE DIAGNOSES ARE PROBABLY LIKE THE PTSD FROM BEING ON THE SHOWN FROM THINGS THAT HER ROOM. BUT I DO POSITIONAL DEFIANT DISORDER I MEAN, COLUMN WAS ON THE SHOW FOR MANY YEARS AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM BEHAVING BADLY ON THE SHOW. I THINK THAT HE WAS TREATED BADLY AND BEHAVIOR. HE WAS PROBABLY A RESULT OF BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE OTHER CHILDREN. >> OR MAYBE A RESULT BEING ON A SHOW BECAUSE THAT USED TO BE THE BIG QUESTION, RIGHT? IS THIS GOOD FOR THE KIDS? >> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THAT ALL OF THEM EXPERIENCED SOMETHING THAT I'VE COME TO TERM FAME TERM, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE BECOME RICH OR FAMOUS WITHOUT HAVING EARNED IT. FOR EXAMPLE, WINNING THE LOTTERY CAN TRAUMATIC. IT'S KIND OF THE GOOD TRAUMA, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE A BAD AND YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING TO EARN IT. AND CERTAINLY YOU HAVE ALL THIS WEALTH IN ALL THIS FAME AND THERE'S CURRENTLY A SERIES ON THEY SAY ANOTHER NETWORK. NETFLIX CALLED PRETTY BABY ABOUT BROOKE SHIELDS. AND IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW SHE WAS BORN BEAUTIFUL. SHE AND BEAUTIFUL FACE, BUT SHE NEVER WAS REALLY RECOGNIZED FOR BEING. TERROR INTENDED OR GREAT, WHICH SHE CERTAINLY IS FOR HER SON. AND INSTEAD SHE ON TENSION JUST BEFORE SOMETHING CONTROL OVER. >> LET ASK YOU TO THE BOY. COLIN SAYS THAT HE WAS LOCKED IN A ROOM ALL DAY. ZIP TIED AND KEPT AWAY FROM HIS SIBLINGS. AND RESPONDED TO THAT WITH THIS. SHE SAID ALL MEASURES THAT WERE TAKEN IN OUR HOME. WE'RE AT THE EXPLICIT RECOMMENDATION OF HIS PEDIATRIC PSYCHIATRIST AND OR HIS TEAM OF SPECIALISTS AND WERE PUT INTO PLACE TO SAFEGUARD EVERY MEMBER OF OUR FAMILY. OUR FRIENDS, AS WELL AS OUR FAMILY PETS. SO I I'M CURIOUS THAT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE A LOT OF TRUTHS HERE? COLIN WAS TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE KATE HAD TO PROTECT FAMILY THIS LARGE FROM A SIBLING WHO MAYBE WAS HAD THOSE THOSE CONDITIONS THAT I EARLIER I CAN UNDERSTAND ALSO HOW ANYBODY COULD PRESCRIBE ZIP TIES. >> YES, I CAN THAT PRESCRIPTION. I CANNOT IMAGINE EVEN IF HE WAS A STRUGGLE. SHE SAID THAT HE WAS AND SHE IMPLIES THAT HE'S VIOLENT AND IN DANGER, TOO. OTHER PEOPLE AND THE ANIMALS, EVEN IF I WERE TRUE, PRESCRIPTION WOULD INCLUDE LOCKING A CHILD A SECLUDED AREA AND TYING THEIR HANDS AND FEET TOGETHER. IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF THE BOOK CALLED THE CHILD CALLED IT IN WHICH ONE CHILD WAS TREATED DIFFERENTLY IN KEPT IN THE BASIN ON THE MATTRESS AND HAD TO EAT OUT OF A DOG FOOD DISH. HOLLAND WAS NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO EAT WITH HIS SIBLINGS. HE WAS IN THE ROOM THAT WAS BUILT FOR THIS. AND HE WAS TREATED NOT ONLY DIFFERENTLY FROM SIBLINGS, BUT MUCH WORSE AND HIS SIBLINGS. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HE GOT A LESSON OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT HE WAS NOT AS WE'RE NOT WORTH AS MUCH AND NOT LOVED MUCH AND DIDN'T DESERVE TREATMENT AS WELL AS HIS GOOD TREATMENT, AS WELL AS HIS SIBLINGS DID. AND IT'S IMPORTANT, THOUGH, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO