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his debate with vice president Harris he's now backing away from another also tonight why is a former president traveling around and listening to a conspiracy promoter whose latest move is attacking the vice president's ethnic background keeping him honest and later how lucrative the vice president's campaign says the debate was for them and how she's trying to turn her performance into votes in one Battleground State good evening thanks for joining us just two days after a debate the most observers from across the political Spectrum said Donald Trump lost the former president said no to another because we've done two debates and because they were successful there will be no third debate it's too late anyway the voting's already begun well both he and vice president Harris are on multi-state campaign swings today he also complained about the ABC News moderators again those two people should be fired as an anchor couple of more years they'll be fire and she was nasty she looked at me with hate hatred in her eyes loves the word nasty that would be ABC's lindsy Davis he's talking about and if attacking the moderators after losing a debate as a go-to move for him so is attacking women and calling them stupid or nasty he was by far the nastiest to Joe Biden there was nobody nastier than her she was extraordinarily nasty to cavano she was nasty to a level that was just uh a horrible thing she was probably nastier than even Pocahontas by the racist Attorney General of New York State Leticia peekaboo James in the wings they've got a local racist Democrat district attorney in Atlanta how about low IQ Maxi and Waters Amarosa is obviously the ultimate villain and the nastiest I think it's a very nasty question when you ask a continue in a very hostile nasty town what a stupid question but I watch you a lot you ask a lot of stupid questions by the way there was CNN's Abby philli he's talking to there that last down bite as for vice president Harris and her take on all this here's what she said today in Charlotte North Carolina two nights ago Donald Trump and I had our first [Applause] debate and I believe we owe it to the voters to have another debate because this election and what is at stake could not be more important her campaign also weighed in with a bit of trump Whispering a senior adviser tells us quote he changes his position every day I predict there will be another the Harris campaign is also claiming a big fundraising Hall telling the New York Times they raised $47 million in the 24 hours following Tuesday's debate vice president also picked up another Republican endorsement today this one from Alberto Gonzalez the attorney general in the George W Bush Administration who called the former president quote perhaps the most serious threat to the rule of law in a generation in a Politico oped today as forward the former president his choice of Associates is in the spotlight on two fronts tonight there's right-wing agitator Laur lumer who's been traveling with the to the debate and yesterday to 9 uh 911 rememberances she's been criticized by congresswoman margerie Taylor green of all people for a racist tweet about the vice presidency Indian Heritage more on that uh coming up there's also new reporting from National Public Radio on this guy his name is Timothy hail cusanelli and yes Federal prosecutors describe him as a white supremacist and if the mustache didn't lead you to this conclusion a Nazi sympathizer he was convicted of participating in the January 6 attack on the capital also according to NPR he has twice spoken at the former president's Bedminster Golf Club again according to NPR 1 was a fundraiser for a group that supports Capital Riot defendants this is a video message from the former president that played to the event I just want to tell you that we're with you and our hearts are with you our soul is with you we are with you and it's going to work out according again to NPR's report this is one of the people the former president was referring to not for the first time this campaign a lot to get to CNN's Christen Holmes starts us off she's in Southern California where the former president is attending a fundraiser tonight so what is the former president saying about not doing another debate with vice president Harris he's still claiming he won the last one yeah and today was really a relitigate of the entire debate you heard him talking about it for roughly 30 minutes going through almost line by line things he said things the moderators said things kamla Harris said obviously with a trump Spin and now in front of a trump supportive audience so getting the cheers getting the laugh lines that he wanted during during the debate now in this rally form now Donald Trump went on to say as you noted that he had won the debate that he had a Monumental Victory he even said that polls showed that he had won with women and Independence as we have shown CNN polling did not reflect that and most polling that we have seen did not reflect that and most conversations that we have had with Republican operatives with Republican allies of Donald Trumps did also not reflect that they were talking about a couple of conservatives straw polls from conservative networks that said that Donald Trump won the debate he also went on to say that the moderators were unfair he talked about that at length and then essentially said that he won so kamla Harris wanted that second debate that's why he wouldn't be doing yet another debate I cannot stress enough to you how many Republicans that I've talked to these are people who want Donald Trump to win in November who have told me they were disappointed in Donald Trump's performance on that stage I even spoke to a number of advisers of his who said that they were nervous during the debate they were nervous while he was speaking during the debate they were concerned what it was going to look like now they have since said they don't believe it's going to move the needle that much but clearly tonight Donald Trump reacting to that will'll see him tomorrow he's giving press remarks just outside of La where his golf club is and we will be there hopefully able to get some questions in about not just the debate but also as you mentioned him traveling with Laura lummer all right christien Holmes thanks joining us now former Republican Virginia Republican Congressman Scott Taylor in Tasha Alford senior correspondent with the Grio and Anthony scaramucci who served for exactly one scari 10 or 11 days depending on who count 11 I'm sorry it was 11 as the former President's White House communications director he's now a Harris supporter we should point out uh it's great to have you all here do you think he's actually not going to debate it's 100% that he's going to debate I'll that prediction here he's a he's a wrestler you know he's like a UFC thing he's going to say he's not going to debate he know he lost to debit I was in that spin room when he arrived in that spin room he went right to Shan Hat's desk to tell everybody that he wanted the debate but he lost to debate he knows Anderson would have never showed up in the spin room if he had won that debate and he generally if a night goes well you don't go to of course you don't do that and he knows he lost the debate and he knows he's debating her again but he has to have a buildup he thinks it's a negotiating Chip he's trying to show his Macho flex and I said to you before the show started I knew he was in trouble at 6:57 p.m. Tuesday night I was with Governor Nome I looked at Governor Newsome and said he's in trouble cuz he's Landing the plane at 6:57 p.m. for a 9:00 show uh and he's not going to be ready he's going to be unraveled whereas Harris had been there for for days Jack Jack Kennedy in 1960 got there before Richard Nixon got there the night before I mean Jack Kennedy spent the whole day of that debate in fact in his hotel room like looking at 3x5 cards going over answers so and and and and the vice president was there the day before she looked well rested she was very well prepared but he's macho man he was probably playing the YMCA song Macho Macho Man as he was Landing the plane that's not a stretch by the way it everywhere Natasha I mean do you think there's an do you think makes sense for Harris to be pushing for another debate I think that she was exceptional and I think it was to her benefit that she got to prove who she was right everything Donald Trump said about her she disproved she was in command she was smart right despite all of those insults about her intelligence and so I think she opened up a curiosity for folks who maybe were on the fence to say okay maybe I actually do need to get to know her a little bit more another debate provides her an opportunity to dig down further into the details of her policy plans she she talked about them in the first debate but I think it's a chance to show again that it's not surface level that she has a plan Scott do you think the former president wants to debate do you think he should debate I I don't think he's worried about debating either way if he wants to or not I think you know He'll Do It um I think as as Anthony said I mean there are there are negotiations in every debate and for the rules for who the moderator is and you know I disagree with obviously a couple things that they're saying I think that the the high stakes were for Harris and because if she failed in that debate done election's done she jumped over the low bar I think but I do think she failed and I'm getting to why I think she failed in showing what her actual policies are she failed in showing that she doesn't believe in those really left-wing policies that she's on video confidently saying she's going to do when she's president she failed on that and why I say that is when I walked in here last night into CNN there was a there they showed a poll and they showed who Independents believe on the economy and it was 20 points to trump it was like 55 35 and when they showed the actual um undecideds Reuters did it it was like six to 10 people were for Trump so I actually think you know take out all the opinions of Democrats and Republicans and all that stuff we all know there's a slice of the electric that's going to decide this election and I feel like the president he he won with them the Congress is not wrong about the the on the economy a lot of Voters do you know memories of preco economy under Trump well I I'm not going to dispute that she needed more fundamentals and foundation on the economy I I'll yield that to Scott and the the congressman but where she won that debate is she looked presidential she showed up she was classy she was comported properly and uh Chris Chris Chris chrisy sent me a text and said she deserves to be there she looks like she deserves to be there and that's the win for her um I want to play something that the congresswoman Debby Dingle who was on CNN earlier uh said Michigan Congressman with a warning for Democrats let's watch this I was ecstatic like every other Democrat uh as I watched the debate I thought he she got under his skin one of my Township supervisors called me and wanted to know what I thought and I said well what did you think and that discussion brought me right back down to earth Earth it's just Closer Than People realize do you think that's I mean I serve with Debbie you know and she she tells she's straight up you know she tells you tells it like it is and I think that now the president was he defensive sure I mean it was three against one you have to anybody objectively looking at that it was three against one but I'll say you know when she what she's saying there is he was on message about immigration which is a real problem flooding the country with unvetted millions of illegals in the border and open border it's a problem it's created crime 100% created crime people women have been raped people have been killed and it's a big problem and she's being honest and she's saying he's the only message talking about that KLA Harris you're not talking about it because you don't want to take any blame for know the open border but that's the reality people see it as a as an issue because it is an issue one thing I will say I I don't think that he was able to successfully be on message that night because he was so easily distractable we were talking about the pets uh you know David M asked him how do you plan to do it that was a moment when he really could have she turned a question about fracking into something that made him implode and he did not go after her on fracking like it I mean there was like it was malpractice the opportunities he failed to take up on just as Joe Biden failed to take up on in the first and to the point about immigration he had an opportunity to say this is how I I do it right David M says Hey how do you actually remove all of these people where would you start and again he went off on a rant and wasn't able to to show that he actually I mean that's what I just want to challenge the Congressman for one second he she she did say to him you know you want to run on the problem you don't want to fix the problem and I'm just wondering if there's space there for people because they were making major concessions to conservative uh representatives in the house and the Senate on an immigration bill that Trump told them not to sign so that that's it's a good point that that you bring up and it's brought up quite frankly by democrats and and Harris supporters but the reality is millions of folks came into the country much before this bill that would have let another 1.8 million uh immigrants come in legal and of course as soon as you pass something like that you have a flooding of the Border because that's what happens when you announce something that's incentivizes immigration you have cartels you have groups in Turkey who are making money sending uh Nationals foreign Nationals across the border that's a fact they've made cartels very very wealthy so I think that's that that that argument falls short on Americans who have seen crime who have seen women be raped who have seen people be murdered have seen uh the the net Jobs go to non-citizens non- Americans they've seen that and that's happened much before Democrats all the sudden decided before an election we better put a bill that the question is I mean it does get to what Donald Trump asked at the end of the debate which is you know why not why didn't you fix it the last three years which you know had he started the debate with that maybe he would have done a better had a better night um but you know she her line is always well you tank this bill which is true and you know arguably outrageous um does she need to get a better does she need to explain her position on the border she has a great answer and and she needed to say more of it but her great answer is we inherited a disaster whether it was Co or not on our Watch 21 million jobs were lost no no let me let me finish the sentence we we were we were fixing that uh and when we realized that there was a problem on the border way bigger than we thought originally we tried to fix it by accepting conservative writing of a bill and and Mr Trump stopped that that's where all the cynicism is in America right now you guys are not helping each other the American people want to be helped they don't want personal things that Donald Trump to block progress we got we got to take a break we'll have more with this panel coming next scene is Brian stelter with more and the former president's recent traveling companion Laura lomer her racist tweet about vice president Harris and his seeming high tolerance for intolerance lately later uh North Carolina's Democratic governor on Kam Harris's chances in a purple state that her campaign now says is winnable this time we'll talk to the governor about that they say opposites attract that's 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called herself a proud islamophobe and declared herself quote pro-white nationalism last year lummer posted a video online which closed with the following line 911 was an inside job so it was particularly surprising to see her with Trump yesterday in lower Manhattan and Shanksville Pennsylvania for 911 remembrances she was also with him at the debate flew there with him this weekend she posted a racist comment on X about vice president Harris's Indian Heritage the whole tweet isn't worth repeating but to give you a sense of it it reads in part if at kamla Harris wins the White House will smell like Curry and White House speeches will be facilitated via a call center so this was apparently too much for another far-right Trump supporter congresswoman marger Taylor green I am completely denouncing it I'm over it and I would encourage anyone else that matches her statements to stop so that's marger Taylor green who has in the past trafficked in Q and on conspiracies anti-semitic tropes and as CNN's K file has reported repeatedly indicated uh support for executing prominent Democratic politicians including house Speaker Nancy Pelosi and former president Barack Obama so that is now who's condemning Laura lomer for more on who she is we're joined by CN Chief media analyst Brian stelter so who is Laura lumer she's a far-right activist uh who fancies herself an investigative journalist now Anderson but she's really more like a bomb thrower she's someone who's promotes herself and courts attention through stunts and outrageous and often times offensive comments on social media and unfortunately we live in a media environment that often times rewards that and incentivizes that from the likes of lummer during the 2016 campaign she worked undercover with the group project Veritas reportedly trying to infiltrate Hillary Clinton's campaign she also mounted two failed bids for congress in Florida and she's repeatedly tried to Cozy up to Trump on the Trump count Anderson she has been successful so why I mean it's remarkable that she's very publicly associating with now the former president she flew down on his plane to the debate at 909 you know 911 remembrances yes and there is really a mystery now about exactly what she's doing right the reports are that she has not been hired by the campaign but she's certainly in Trump's Inner Circle this week I don't think we know for sure what exactly she's going to be doing in the future but during the Republican primary she certainly was out there as a cheerleader for Trump trying to attack Ronda santis the former president reportedly wanted to hire her last year and according to CNN's reporting he was talked out of it by advisers and AIDS who said that would be a terrible idea in some cases it seems like he is buying what she's selling noxious incendiary in yourface hard Hardball style politics sometimes with racist and islamophobic overtones he reposts a lot of her content on true social and he spotted her in the crowd at at an event earlier this summer saying she's a fantastic person a great person you know we know that some advisers are urging Trump to try to behave so to speak but but Laura lomer indulges in his most base instincts but we don't know if she will continue to travel with him in the future all right by by Salter thanks very much Anthony does make sense to you that that he would now have her around it makes total sense it fits like a jigsaw puzzle piece perfectly because all the normal mid of the range Republicans have left him uh some of them are tepidly supporting him like Governor Nikki Haley which he wants nothing to do with her and he's gravitating to these alt-right people that help write the project 2025 and all the different things that are going on he likes it and she gets him in trouble all the time you know he he's she came up with the turn black I'm sorry I'm saying that on your air but that was Donald Trump's words not mine and he the thing he said yeah she said the nabj thing that's her stuff okay follow her on Twitter it's some of the most inary disgusting stuff but that's him there's a very big part of his personality that lives in that space and you'd have to ask the equivocation that's going on you know 2016 a lot of us held our nose and said okay that's probably not right we'll just pretend and through cognitive dissonance but we have nine eight nine years of data now that's him he is Laura lumer and if you're supporting him right now look in the mirror and say you're supporting somebody that Laura lum's DNA and Laura lummer thought process can I just say also that he gets to avoid responsibility right so having the Laura lomers out there saying the crazy things that maybe you won't say right but she gets to say it because she has no boundaries she has no Bott supporting the Hitler look alike it's it's avoiding a responsibility and it reflects a double standard because I I mean you remember the Obama years people were going into who his Pastor was you know 15 20 years ago and what the pastor said at at a church meeting and you have Laura lumer right there in the room with him so I think she benefits from the publicity but Trump and his campaign obviously there are a lot of Republicans who aren't happy with it I just think this is super juvenile to be honest with you I mean I watched stelter on there said well you know we get to reward her for this of course look she's being talked about right now and you asked the question who's Lura lur I don't know who she is but I I just feel like this is juvenile watching him she's on the president's on the matter but the way like the way that you're like that the program is framing it and the way that Brian's framing it oh it's like these rumors and innuendos I don't know what she's doing on there like what are you talking about that's not news I don't I don't I think it's just juvenile beneath the show to be honest with you but the we're not the ones who are hanging out with her it's your candidate is hanging out with her and and and actually listening to her and taking advice from her to call the vice president Rec turned black he do going BR we're talking about you guys are saying he's taking advice from her how do you know that Brian doesn't know that she's riding on the plane with him posting memes that he then talks about and adds dogs into them have you on this show had someone else who says crazy stuff anti-semitism plenty of that on the left have you have you done the same kind of segment for for comma because there's plenty of examples out there so I just don't I just find this kind of juvenile to be honest with you right but okay but you're what you're not doing is you're not saying anything about Laura lumer right there your argument do one with her right what you're doing is you're trying to distract your argument does I'm asking about Lord L juvenile that's all okay is it juvenile for the former president to hang out with her and to take advice from her I don't know that he's taking advice from her I don't know who she is I don't know it doesn't matter if she he's on the plan on that plane lots of times did he take advice from you he took a lot of advice from me he won in 2016 didn't he he brought her to 911 remembrances she she's with him for days at a she's there for a reason people aren't just I I just think Anderson I just think you know yes we might want to talk about rumor I'm not I'm not ruin reputation we're we're just having a conversation about like rumors I mean this isn't this is not the American people don't care about this they just don't care about it okay you're yeah okay okay so when when he's saying she's saying on Twitter that K haris turned black and he's using her words at the nabj the American people don't care about that like that's a racist dog whistle Scott and that's something that he is getting from her and she's lighting matches into his mouth I mean I just I just feel like this is come on you know that okay so if he is getting advice from her is that a wise idea she's happy right now Anderson she's got to be super happy because she's getting tons of air time right now for nothing and just like Brian saiding what you say is bad okay I understand you don't want answer the question because you you trying to deflect I'm that's your argument style and I get it I get it I I understand the tactic what are you asking is it wise for if she is giving him advice and he's taking advice from her is that wise I don't know probably not but I don't know he's taking advice I don't know do you uh yeah based on the reporting yeah on Brian's reporting uh actually the reporting about her being on the plane and the memes that then end up in the debate and also is there a reporter who sat on the plane with Donald Trump and said Laurel lumor is giving him advice I mean is there he's using her words Scott he's using her words and her sentence structure when he's in a debate or he's in an interview he's taking her words you guys are saying stuff that you just don't know just it's just your opinion which is fine okay we all have opinions the the White House also hit back at lumous comments about vice president Harris St let's play that she must be really happy the White House is sitting on it is uh repugnant these types of comments it is unamerican uh to say these types of things exactly uh the kind of hateful uh and divisive retor rhetoric that we should denounce and we should not uh should not be part of the fabric uh of this country uh no leader should ever associate with someone who spreads this kind of ugliness uh this kind of racist poison it's interesting Anthony do you think uh obviously look Trump has some very talented you know political Minds around him him uh in his campaign the fact that at this stage though he's now bringing these other people uh what does that tell you about when things go badly for Donald Trump he reverts back to the Laura lumer sort of stuff so he's probably going to make more changes management level because he got destroyed in that debate and every time things go badly for him he recoils and he goes in that direction and I have to say to my new friend Scott that I dis agree with him because if it's on Twitter that she just turned black and then it's coming out of the former president's mouth she just turned black he is listening to her Anderson you know when the when the windows open and you hear clippity clop outside it's a horse not a zebra you don't it's aam's razor he's listening to her she's on the plane with him she he's talking to her and and she's a new shiny penny for him and he likes it and he knows that he wants to win on white supremacy and misogyny that's how he wants to win I know that you're laughing we just met so this isn't personal but I we are raising children who I agree I have nobody has mon my son is hian and Puerto Rican and African-American and I have to explain to him that this is part of the conversation if children start teasing other children over being from immigrant families we're talking about real impact we are talking about needing a change in the character and the moral Center in terms of who is a president and the standard that he sets for this country so it just it isn't funny right isn't something to dismiss and he has a responsibility to think about who's around him who's in photos with him because again in many ways they are speaking for him and to not speak up to not denounce it is unacceptable it's the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and it's happening again Charlottesville was a lie that's first no Li watch let me respond I just listen to you let me respond go ahead please let me respond I was respectful the reality is this no C no no campaign Democrat Republican is somehow innocent of inflammatory rhetoric the president of the United States got shot in the head my colleagues got shot at a congressional practice Bas baseball practice that no campaign no side is innocent of in of not saying inflammatory rhetoric you can't say that you can't all be one side and you're just oh he's saying bad stuff and not criticize the other side you have to be able to do both because I agree with you I'm raising a son too and I want him to be respectful and I want him to to to to love all people and respect them and he will because that's how I'm raising him but just like you I have to speak to him because he ask questions as well and it's on both sides so look I would love for our country and I would love for a political discourse to be a lot better and softer and not so inflammatory because in the end we're all Americans and we love each other and we're all part of one team the reality is that is not how it is right now and most likely it won't be like that until the campaign at least is over and unfortunately maybe not afterwards either we're not talking about being above criticism I I've I've done both sides I've been able to criticize candidates on both sides I'm just talking about myself but you cannot look at the rhetoric coming out of Donald Trum I was not laughing equ it with what we've seen I Wasing at from K Harris the fact that we're that we're talking about this so much and and to be honest with you I'm watching you and no offense anthy I mean I respect you of course you know but you guys are speaking like you're in the president's mind and you're just not you're not that's all okay all right Scott it was three onone tonight but it wasn't 3on one at the de I'm that debate was fair and even and the losing side always blames the refs you know that they did their job Anthony uh scari thank you Natasha olford Scott tayor as well coming up next vice president Harris kicks off a tour of Swing States two stops today in North Carolina State Democrats haven't won since back in 2008 but think they have a chance now we'll see North Carolina's Democratic governor joins us next Across America vice president Harris's post- debate tour swing states began in North Carolina today short time ago she wrapped up her second stop in state Democrats have begun to view as possibly Winn aable ever since Harris became the party's standard Bearer Biden losted by only about 74,000 votes in 2020 now the latest poll on North Carolina comes from quinc University shows Harris at 49% Trump at 46% the three-point lead is within the poll's margin of error however meaning there's no clear leader earlier tonight I spoke Democratic North Carolina governor Roy Cooper about the race in his State Governor Cooper the last time a Democrat got North Carolina's electoral votes in a presidential election that was 2008 it was Barack Obama do you think Harris can flip your estate Blue again Anderson in 2008 North Carolina made history by voting for Barack Obama it's time for North Carolina to make history Again by voting for kamla Harris I feel the same kind of energy we had thousands of people unpaid Donald Trump unpaid in Charlotte and in Greensboro this evening they were energetic they were on fire they left here ready to make phone calls knock on doors do volunteer work taking people to the polls I feel that same energy this year that I felt in 2008 and it's really exciting to see her come to North Carolina right after that strong debate performance and she's been on a rooll since since the announcement and she hasn't stopped I is very positive we know this is going to be a close race we know it's going to be a close race what what to that end I mean what do you think her campaign strategy should be in North Carolina from now until election day well we know that Donald Trump will be here a lot we know that in August this is is my understanding that he spent more in North Carolina than any other swing state this is because Donald Trump must win North Carolina if KL Harris can win here then she's the next president of the United States so I think this is her 18th visit to North Carolina as vice president her presence here means a lot so coming here as much as she can we obviously want to see the ground game is extraordinary making sure that she's doing everything she can to J up volunteers and many of our volunteers have been firsttime volunteers it's the first time they've ever gotten involved in a race what that says to me is that a lot of people who have been disaffected who just haven't been voting because they don't think their vote matters or they're just frustrated with the government I believe that KLA Harris is going to energize a lot of these people and they're going to go to the polls there not that many people who haven't made up their mind mind but there are a lot of people who haven't made up their mind whether they're going to vote if we can get those people to the polls which I believe we can K Harris can win North Carolina and she's got the right message fighting for women's reproductive Freedom helping to fight the cost for everyday families the child care tax credit and health care in North Carolina we just expanded medicaid 530,000 people now having health insurance Donald Trump wants to take those health insurance cards way that's going to be a big issue in our state she's going to hit all of these notes she hit them today and I I think she'll continue to do that we earlier showed a quint Pak poll which shows Harris with a three-point lead that's within the poll's margin of error Democratic nominee for governor North Carolina attorney general Josh Stein leads the Republican nominee Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson by 10 points 51 to 41% Robinson's made several controversial comments obviously do you think the gubernatorial race would have a major impact on the presidential race I think that Mark Robinson the Republican nominee is so extreme with his comments like men should lead and not women that there should abortions should be denied with no exceptions he enters into the cultur cultur wars Donald Trump has heartedly endorsed Mark Robinson I believe Mark Robinson will help bring Donald Trump down in North Carolina because Republicans Democrats and unaffiliated alike are turned off by Mark Robinson and His statements of turning North Carolina backward so I think there'll be a top down effect and a bottom up effect we're one of those few states that do elect our Statewide offices at the same time we elect the president North Carolinians are independent they sometimes split tickets but I believe in this race that this governor's race can help KLA Harris and another reason why she needs to be here and Allin for North Carolina governor Roy Cooper thank you so much for your time thanks Anderson coming up the former president leing the groundwork for another possible challenge to any election results he doesn't like and the director of a new documentary and the last time he tried to overturn an election on set with from HGTV and Max takes you behind the scenes of the most iconic onscreen worlds with the people who made 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September 17th stopping the steel is what it's called it's an inside look at the former president's attempt to overturn the election and how that challenge started well before any votes were cast Dan Reed joins me now um Dan I mean your film explores how the groundwork for what happened was laid long before people understood the scope of what was happening yeah I think what the film tries to do is join the DTs there were a series of you know before drama of January 6th you have all these skirmishes at a very relatively M you know low level in counties and and states of the United States and it's putting together all these dots and creating a picture of this this this moment of danger for the American Republic that that we've tried to do in this documentary you you're the film tells the story through the perspective of Republicans who held the line and I want to play a clip of Rusty Bowers who is the Republican house speaker in Arizona during the 2020 election I think a lot of people may remember him let's listen Rudy you remember when you told me you were going to bring me some proof have you got it no I I don't Jenna you do you have the proof she goes yeah yeah we've got the proof she had a satchel I don't have it with me it's probably back at the hotel okay thanks for letting me come I'm gone I knew what he wanted I knew what he was asking and I told him they had to bring me the proof they didn't bring it so I was going to do anything and I mean this is a man who you know people are showing up at his house I believe when if memory serves me correct when his daughter I think was was Ill screaming you know H how important were were you know people like Rusty Bowers and others in preser preserving the Integrity of democracy in in you know in in our election in 2020 the these Republicans were crucial they're they're the ones that held the line they're the ones that put their duty to the country their duty to democracy before their political interests and often paid the price um I mean and they're the people who narrate this story for us I this isn't a story told by you know people who have a political a to grind against Donald Trump these are people these are people who who embraced his policies and who really wanted him to win but just when it came to that moment when they were asked to betray the very principles of democracy and the American Constitution they just couldn't do it and so they were the ones that we have to thank really for holding the line in 2020 is it clear I mean I've talked to a number of people who were involved in various States in in various efforts uh I've talked to some of the you know fake electors who have now said well you know Wisconsin for instance who said well I I didn't know we thought this was legit lawyers had signed off on this I I didn't know that this was part of this larger plan that this was only to take place in case the Supreme Court overturned the election do you I mean when do you trace the start of this when did these efforts really begin well you can see President Trump laying the groundwork even before you know in July 2020 even before the election saying you know the only way we're going to lose if it's rigged you played a clip just then which Echoes that um I I think you know the steal really starts when Trump begins to ignore people like Bill bar his attorney general who's telling him there was no fraud and turns to Rudy Giuliani and and what Bill bar in my documentary calls the clown car of of lawyers um who then roll out this effort which is very consistent throughout States and counties in the United States to overturn the election results and that's you know it's it it it's something that may not have been very clear at the time but when you you rise to the sort of 10,000 foot view which is what this documentary does and join all the dots it becomes quite chilling and at the end of the documentary I mean there are number of people warned that if Trump gets the chance he will try and overturn the decision that goes against him again yeah I mean you know this this documentary is is timely but also Timeless and I and and and I I think it it pinpoints a a moment of danger for elections in general for the idea of democracy in general not just for this one but yes if you look back at what he did in 2020 I think you know it's it's very clear to the to the people to the Republicans who spoke to me to the Trump supporters who spoke to me that he may well try and do this again you know he he there's always more as one of them said there's always more you know you will take it further Dan Reed I love your films and this is an extraordinary one thank you again the name of the documentary is stopping the steel it'll Premier on our sister network HBO next Tuesday September 17th at 9:00 p.m Eastern up nexton night the Gen Z Tik Tok creators who support Trump and Harris alike with a common goal getting more young people engaged in politics what are you seeing Tik Tok recently announced it is adding more resources on voting and how elections work for its more than 170 million American users this comes as the popular Chinese owned platform could possibly be banned in the country as soon as January over National Security concerns but Tik Tok is still attracting a growing number of users including young voters who say they use the app to keep up with politics so what does that look like CNN donio Sullivan met with two gen Z content creators one pro Trump one pro Harris to find out what's your most viewed video born in Iran raised in Iran but more Patriot than those who vote blue that the Trump flag in my office that was that was a couple days ago in the airport on my way here to Atlanta Donald Trump is the biggest most existential threat to tren's Future nearly all Tik Tok users said in a survey that they use the app because it's entertaining but MTN a third said they also use it to keep up with politics it's been a really fun time to be on the internet so I met with two jenzy ticktockers to talk about how and why they make political videos despite what some people refuse to believe Donald Trump is receiving so so much support from people that are young like kind of like my age right Nessa is an Iranian immigrant who's amassed thousands of followers with her prot Trump Tik toks many of which show off this magga store in Forest Lake Minnesota you will get compliments from most people on social media as long as you support their opinions and I believe the algorithm also plays a huge part specifically on Tik Tok God bless you I followed you facts you know when you're posting this stuff that it's going to start a debate yes and that's kind of the point kind of yeah I believe I'm providing a space for republicans and Democrats to have debates what are you seeing on your feet I mostly see Trump stuff finish getting ready with me while I talk about I went to the same high school as bar school as Baron Trump for those of you who don't watch it later just graduated high school sure you might have been seeing online engagement for Donald Trump but that's because young people are really really scared of it Mariana pakora works with voters of Tomorrow a nonprofit focused on getting jenz to the polls quick take what's your least favorite thing in Project 2025 Mariana is a big fan of vice president Harris you edited this this one I had some help from um one of our younger volunteers we we were specifically trying to reach like a younger gen Z almost gen Alpha leading audience with that we've been talking about what Congress can do to support young people Congress went BM and what you got Congress at this point uh just about every member of Congress has either like a Facebook page or an Instagram or a Twitter not all of them are on Tik Tok and I think that's okay yeah like not um not everybody is suited for it but I think it's really important and exciting that there's a lot of young people working in politics that are focused specifically on content creation right now hey North Carolina Democrats we just got the best messenger for a member of gen Z is another member of gen Z and Don Jo joins me now what about misinformation I mean how big of an issue is that on yeah look I mean you saw in that piece a bit of folks are having a lot of fun with all the memes or whatever but uh I think there was this idea a few years back where maybe younger people gen Z gen Alpha which was the first time I've heard of J Alpha uh we maybe immune and is that a new one I have to learn that's that's the next that's next up yeah um and they're using whatever comes after Tik Tok and uh but yeah all all the memes that are going around a lot of those kind of have basis and misinformation I mean we've heard stories R conspiracy theories about JD Vance and pieces of furniture and things like that sometimes that joke goes too far and some people even gen Z say oh is this sort of thing true uh so just as we're seeing on the right the crazy stuff about eating cats and dogs and mice in in Ohio a little of it happening on the left too all right don't solvin thanks very much that's it for us the news continues the source with K cins starts now I'll see you tomorrow they say opposites attract that's why the Sleep Number smart bed is the best bed for couples you can each choose what's right for you whenever you like you like a bed that feels firm but they want soft Sleep Number does that you want to sleep cooler while they like to feel warm sleep number does that too you have to feel it to believe it find the bed that's for both of you only at a Sleep Number store sleep better together JD power ranks sleep number number one in customer satisfaction with mattresses purchased in store and now sleep number smart beds starting at $999 prices higher in Alaska and Hawaii for JD Power 2023 award information visit jdpower.com Awards only at a sleepnumber store or sleepnumber.com