in terms of quality of surrogate tonight the Harris campaign has three governors who are going to be out here spinning three Senators four Congress people a gold star father and what the campaign is calling a surprise guest I don't think it's Beyonce so just get that out of your mind they have a a solid roster the Trump campaign has Matt Gates Viv ramaswami Laura Trump Michael Watley the election denier and chair of the RNC and JD Vance um so it'll be really interesting to see what um what planet both both campaigns are living on after the the debate tonight and you know the quality of the spin because listen there's going to be the debate and then there's going to be the public impression of what happens at the debate and I think both of those are going to matter probably equally