out badly in comparison to your idealization of them 100% which and but but at the same time you you go talk to your favorite musician who you followed who you performed your your version of patriotism and fairness in the world and you go meet them they turn out to be an and you go like they don't even believe in what they wrote you're like what but you well if flawed people were incapable of creativity we wouldn't have any creativity right you know and so I think what you have to do when you're dealing with creative people is realized that or people who are creative and accomplished even is realized that the the fact that they've managed that despite all their flaws is the thing that's truly remarkable because they have as many flaws as the next person so so thank God there this is why you know when I see someone like Lou CK for example pillared terribly I think well yeah he did some things that were unseen certainly even by his own standards obviously um so what do we make of that well there's plenty of people who do unseemly things but not but very few of them are as masterful a comedian as Louis CK so do we want to lose him because he's flawed right seems it seems inappropriate because we'd lose everybody that way and then we just have loss that's not helpful yes yes I mean I think you're leaning into you know uh um a lot of what we call a cancel culture today yeah is can that you know in the name of Rehabilitation does do we have to have a world in which we are able to grow and evolve if that's what we're trying to do now oh I I mean you know I'm not for repeat offenders or or or tyrants but if someone screws up and they have sincere they sincerely want retribution I think it's fair to give people well it better be because otherwise we're all doomed right well absolutely like there's not a person Among Us who hasn't made repeated errors and and if if Contrition and and repentance aren't sufficient then we're all damned no doubt about that so all right so fa so we were we were continuing our discussion on Fame so you've you you're 25 years into being famous and you seem to be doing handling your success right uh in in in a manner that allows you to be pleased about the way your life is unfolded and so thank God for that and here you are you're still here after all these years and so you've handled your Fame well how come how could you manage that okay how can I manage that well big big thing for me and it worked for me in my life like this just getting a click of a word or an understanding will completely change my perspective when I go oh that's it that's true I'm not quit banging my head against the proverbial wall oh now I understand that one big click for me seven years was it ain't personal into business that helped a lot