now this is a very Grim story Spanish police are searching for a British teenager he's just 19 who's gone missing in tener Jay Slater from Lancashire was last heard of on Monday morning he called a friend to say that he got lost whilst hiking with no water and his phone was a 1% battery so we're going to talk now to the former head of Lamberth missing person's unit Mike Neville Mike this is um for any parent the worst nightmare isn't it his mom's already in tenery to to help in the probably can't do much but you could she obviously doesn't want to be sat at home waiting by the phone but what steps would will be will be being taken because it's very hot he's got no water and no phone and as you know parts of that Island are very Barren so not much opportunity for shelter yeah absolutely I mean I do hope this comes to a successful conclusion and Jay's found alive but we see almost like the the tragedy of Michael MOS played out here that this the actual when you look at the park it looks very similar environment and of course what we have got though is because he made that phone call they may well be able to pinpoint an area we know it's the Park area there so in it's different in that way that we've got a tighter area that where they can look now the obviously the police will be directing uh all sorts of search teams that'll be actual officers on the ground with the dogs uh then the use of um helicopters and and potentially drones uh to to view the the parts of that and of course they'll have experts part Rangers who will know the particular tracks and and the best places uh to to look uh and so uh I'm sure that the Spanish police are putting a a very professional and coordinated search uh together and as I say if any chance of getting cell sites analysis on his phone to actually pinpoint the location that's probably their best chance I guess the fact just the fact he's a teenager he's 19 Michael mosy was 68 69 nearly 70 being a being a young man will that mean he can survive for longer well I'm no medical expert but I think that would be that would be my hope that he he would be able to survive for longer he looks a when you see the pictures of him looks a young fit lad so let let's just hope that he's able to to get out there that he may have found some uh source of of water um but uh my prayers go to his to his mom and the rest of his family that the Spanish police will will find him and hopefully he's just dehydrated and they'll be able to treat him we we said in he was hiking he wasn't actually hiking he was trying to get home he'd been on a a night out and a party on a beautiful island which is exactly the kind of thing you should be doing at 19 years old and had missed the last bus home so it was 8:00 in the morning when he rang his friend he had 1% battery on his phone and he said I need a drink of water um I'm going to walk home in the walk back to his apartment was 11 hours if he would have done that on foot um would the first point of of of looking m is inevitably going to be that route correct from where he was last seen to where he was wanted to end up and taking people along that route absolutely but as I understand it the phone call was made at 8:15 it already set off in the middle of the night I think this is the trouble so I think he set off in the middle of the night to walk that distance which as you said is 11 miles so of course the uh the par Rangers will be able to estimate the distance that they'd be able to cover uh and absolutely they'll be looking at what's the uh as the cow fly roots and go on that and any that will be uh searched by um officers and Rangers and then they use use the drones and the helicopter to search any other areas but the good thing here is I think it's away from the sea the danger if people go in the sea uh then that really is a problem but it does appear to be on land in the island yeah Mike how many people go missing every year in the UK the numbers are astonishing aren't they the numbers are massive there's thousands and thousands of people go missing but when I worked on the random missing persons unit of course the vast majority of those return within a very uh short amount of time there's very few people are missing for much more than a a day or a couple of days and then very very very few who are missing for more than that there's handfuls of people who actually vanish and are never found again so the chances of finding him are very high and of course this isn't a missing person in the the type that you would have dealt with Mike which sometimes people don't want to be found in your experience I imagine those cases must have been very difficult to deal with well some there's a few people who do go vanish and don't want to be found but the vast majority of people it's not like that sometimes they're older they're treating they vanish because they and they put in hospital and the like there's very few um teenagers would vanish like this and vanish Without a Trace so as I say I'm very hopeful that they'll find him so it important as well these days of making sure your phone's charged up Mike well I think the lesson learned it you know when we go to these places We're British we're not used to the Heat and it's the heat in the continent is incredible at the moment so anybody of any age who's uh thinking of walking over Barren areas out of the way of civilized places has really got to think again because the I've had a friend just come back from Turkey the heat is unbearable and you know what as well I think it is a little bit we've we've become so reliant on our phones that actually we especially the younger generation sometimes they lack a bit of common sense because we they think well if something happens I can use my phone not thinking right if I haven't got my phone have I got water can I find shade have I told someone where I'm going to be did he have a hat on even all that stuff that Common Sense survival tips and understanding about life that our generation had because we we had to have 10 P to find a phone box if anything went wrong well I was a young Soldier so I can admit to being daff when I was a young man so I can forgive Jay and anybody else is a teenager does a silly thing I just hope the silly thing that he's done doesn't result in serious injuries so let's let's let's hope it it all it turns out well but having seen the Greek police I think the Greek police did you know relatively they were did really dedicated to trying to find Dr Mosley and I think the Spanish police having worked with them will be just as professional yeah I'm sure okay Mike good to see you uh Mike Neville there my my youngest I've she's I've confiscated her smartphone at the moment she all sorts of reasons but it's gone so she's going out to school in the morning she's got a a little brick with no it's just a noia brick Oh yeah I remember them terrific phones and yeah but of course and it's so what's she not doing she can't rely on it to look at a map she can't rely on it to pay with anything and as much as I've had my heart in my mouth thinking I can't track her I don't know where she is it's good for both of us because she has to think well if something goes wrong what do I do yeah which is what we had to do exactly think for ourselves yeah and there's a whole generation you always have money you'd always have change in your pocket but the the phone yeah yeah let us know your thought