and again I ask did he just blurt that out because he was so traumatized by the poor showing that he fared in the debate or was that planned by his campaign because I would think anybody with any type of strategic thinking in in their brain would wait a week or two before announcing there wouldn't be a third debate it just looks well like exactly what it is he lost so bad he just doesn't want to go back for more yeah and and I mean Harris is really good at this right she's a career prosecutor so she knows how to prosecute the case what I was impressed by and what the question was was could she make the case for herself too and she was able to very deftly both make the case against him and the case for herself and you saw she was able to inject these tiny little policy Snippets remember you don't have ton of time there and she was able to talk about you know the sort of Economic Policy she wanted to do with home owning home ownership she was able to do a lot of these very deftly um you know worded statements the thing I thought was interesting was she really got him off balance with the handshake and from the handshake she was able to sort of keep going and then she would bait him and and leave him the time to sort of get involved in one of his psycho dramas like the thing about his inheritance or about crowd size and get distracted from making the case against her it was really really strategic and really really carefully done and I thought that it was the kind of sort of three-dimensional chest that I'm not sure he's capable of you know Donnie the contrast was I mean I think of three moments I mean I could think of more actually because there were really striking moments on both sides but the of these moments really set the contrast for Americans in terms of what they want in a leader and I think about kamla Harris inviting people to go to a trump rally telling telling the viewers that you you're going to hear a lot of lies but what you're what what you're not going to hear is anything about you not one idea not one plan of what he's going to do do for you and then she talked about her career um in service and how she always consider herself kamla Harris for the people and when she was representing someone she didn't care whether they were a democrat or a republican she didn't ask are you that she asked are you okay and then finally if you needed more the comment about the eating of pets yeah uh the eating of pets will will live on on you know I want to go back to his post- debate spin that he won the debate and I wonder I wish we need a morning Joe medical correspondent on today to really get inside the brain does it I wonder if it works this way with him does he obviously does he know he lost and then he says okay I'm going to lie and and spin it the other way or does he immediately go to because he can't stand ever losing anything does he kind of just does his brain transfix and he actually believes it I'm really CU I don't know which one is worse but I'm really curious to be inside of his head the other thing to learn interesting I had uh the our friends Katy k and and Anthony scar my podcast the other day after the debate and the mooch brought up a really interesting point and this may be one of the reasons he doesn't want to debate again he didn't land in Philadelphia on his plane until 657 two hours before the debate imagine that you're debating and the prep that goes into it yet you're just touching down a couple of hours before that shows you the lack of preparation the lack of seriousness I mean who would ever do that just shows you how he's doing things on the Fly and I think he's he's obviously afraid to debate again he knows he will never put in the prep work he knows he lost he knows he doesn't want to be humiliated again and I think this is going to work against him I really really do if I'm K Harris I just keep beating this to a drum he will notate debate again he's afraid he's running and then there's Jeremy Peters who's coming after us w w in your new piece Jeremy entitled pundit said Harris won the debate decided voters weren't so sure and you write in part this in interviews with undecided voters many of whom the times has interviewed regularly over the last several months they acknowledged that Miss Harris seemed more presidential than Mr Trump and they said she laid out a sweeping Vision to fix some of the country's most stubborn problems but they also said she did not seem much different from Mr Biden and they wanted change and most of all what they wanted to hear and didn't was the fine print voters said they were glad she has a tax and economic plan but they want to know how it will become law when Washington is so polarized they know she wants to give assistance to firsttime home buyers but doubted that it was realistic and Jeremy I ask you is their answer Donald Trump because I guess I guess I I I see the questions I think there was only so much that she could do in that debate in order to be as effective as she was and and I agree there are a lot more questions of course I would love to ask kamla Harris about her leadership style and her plans and how she plans to execute but are those undecided voters saying I'm going to stick with I'm going to kind of lean Trump here because I want change I don't get it no I don't think that a lot of them are saying they're leaning Trump some of them certainly would but I think the risk the bigger risk for her is that they're just just going to stay home that they're not motivated inspired Enough by her because remember people don't really know her you know as as we've quoted many voters saying and and and many Democratic strategists saying she's famous as vice president of course she has very high name recognition but she's largely unknown as a candidate in a politician I mean she was elected to the United States Senate in 2018 she's hardly you know been on on the national stage for a long time and she has had let's not forget a really truncated campaign period to introduce herself to voters that's what the next eight weeks are all about and something Ma you point out is is very correct you can't do in two-minute answers in a debate so there's not going to be another debate it looks like um in a way I think that's almost good for her campaign because they can continue to introduce her to the voters who still need convincing on their own terms in these large rallies in these controlled settings I think she's going to eventually have to do some more interviews you know she's only done the one so far um and you know but there's eight weeks and that's an awful lot of time uh to convince people there's a sliver of people really that need convincing need motivating and that's not uh that's not undo Unthinkable um or undoable for her but this is still a very close race and and despite the fact that Trump clearly lost the room uh on Yeah Tuesday night she still whether the question of whether or not she won in the minds of the people who are not really yet decided is is is an open one so what's actually uh interesting here is that with So Little Time Donnie your expertise is really um it's actually relevant to this conversation because it's going to be about branding really fast and furious and it's going to be about honest branding and I mean if I were the Harris campaign and I'm going to ask you if you agree with this or if you have a better idea I would be focused on the contrast hate retribution anti-democratic values racism and all the facts to back that up literally you could have a subparagraph under each of those that went on for Pages because he served as president and he tried to do a lot of things that were incredibly destructive and he was successful in many ways January 6th and he wants to paron them and then the contrast is okay you don't know me that well lawyer prosecutor Attorney General State of California Senator vice president these are the jobs kamla Harris held so doesn't that right there show a contrast that Brands them very differently yeah I I could couldn't agree with you more I I don't have anything much wiser to say other than I would put a banner on top of that it's all about contrast but start the contrast with yesterday and tomorrow hope versus despair sadness versus Joy um old news versus new news that's to be the main contrast all those other talking points not talking points facts that you put in there go underneath it but it still starts with the candidate that owns change the candidate that owns hope wins I think it's very very hard for him to sell anything about change or anything about Hope because of who he is and what he stands for she on the other hand and what he should have done at the debate Trump is really attach her to Biden because then she can't own hope and change he didn't do that until his closing statement so your point about contrast contrast contrast absolutely but start it with hope versus despair start it with tomorrow versus yesterday Molly your latest opinion piece for msnbc.com is entitled Trump's routine sexism came back to bite him during the debate tell us about it yeah it was really interesting he tried to use her phrase so remember during the Mike Pence debate she said I'm speaking when Pence uh interrupted her which was sort of became a kind of Catchphrase a little bit iconic pretty big thing to come out of a vice presidential debate so Trump tried to do it to her but the problem for Trump was that uh women relate to an again I'm sorry guys but women relate to being interrupted and uh men don't necessarily do that so when he said that powerful guy who's been you know quite famous for many many years it didn't have the same resonance and he did that a bunch of times where he tried to flip the flip the script on her but in fact it helped her and she was able to flip the script on him I don't know how she did it live television as we all know here is very hard and to be able to provide she was able to do a little bit of real-time factchecking too which I thought was really amazing she had to do so many things it was really like a Ginger Rogers back uh dancing you know backwards and heels kind of thing well there was one of course yeah go ahead I was just going to say m something that I don't think has gotten enough attention was the line that she used about Trump being confused remember she when he attacked her for not being black right she she said you know he this he's the same old guy something to that effect using the word old right she's totally flipped the script on this you know uh Trump's being able to paint his opponent as decrepit and you know mentally not all there she said on Tuesday night that he's maybe confused about the facts of the last election and that is starting to become more of the conversation nationally about what the differences are between these two people because when you see them on stage together there's no doubt who is the quicker on her feet and has you know more command of of policy in the issues at the top of her head yeah for sure National reporter for the New York Times Jaren Peters thank you very much for coming on this morning so overnight more than 30,000 Boeing factory workers walked off the job after rejecting a Union contract it's the company's First Strike since 2008 the work stoppage puts the brakes on production of the Boeing's best-selling airliners and Deals another blow to the struggling aircraft manufacturer let's bring in the co-anchor of CNBC squawkbox and New York Times columnist Andrew Ros sorin so Andrew tell us more about the economic Fallout from this strike potentially well this could have a real ripple effect uh the last time there was a strike at Boeing it cost Boeing itself $100 million a day but then you start to think about how that ripples across not just inside Boeing but all the suppliers for Boeing and then if you really start to extrapolate out what It ultimately means for Airlines who are waiting for these planes and ultimately what it means there for passengers uh who you know months from now a year from now depending on how long a strike uh were to take place uh you know you could see higher airfares uh down the line um there is a question mark about why Boeing didn't negotiate harder or not harder but uh and compromise more with these workers 90 plus 95% plus workers rejected this uh offer uh they're seeking 40% raises uh the offer on the table is a 25% raise but uh their bonuses their annual bonuses uh get eliminated so uh there's a real question why Boeing which is struggled as we know when we talked about all of the the different issues that they have faced uh wouldn't be more inclined they say they want to get to the negotiating table again but uh would let this go