Atonement

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good it's quite good I've just come down from Republican heaven and I wanted to spend a minute to talk to you gentlemen about how things are going on the planet Earth since I left I haven't really been able to keep up yeah um uh real bad oh no yeah yeah it's it's it's not great it's not great be fair things things were pretty good but not great when I was there but uh uh so you remember you remember when I left office in 19 what was it 1950 no we've been 1960 it's been a long time it's okay a while it was a while ago yeah I was I was quite Young when you did you were quite young but I made a speech I warned of the of the effects of the military industrial complex remember right yeah yeah yeah so wondering did did we deal with that is that or is that uh still a thing oh yeah no we didn't solve anything oh well I guess I shouldn't be surprised but I mean but I mean uh Mr President um of course uh you know we talked about uh I mean cuz that's obviously the reason you're here uh we did talk about Slum Dog Millionaire last week do you have any any thoughts on that well I tell you when I when when I've watched movies from around the world uh I've often enjoyed Indian films when I was in Europe we used to get them brought in on the boats I was you see I was very high up I I was a commander of the entire uh Force you see so I was able to get whatever I wanted so I used to get Hindi movies in when I saw this movie come out because that's the one thing I'm allowed to really follow up there is movies they don't give me newspapers but I'm allowed to watch movies people up in Republican Heaven can watch new movies well they can they they I'm kind of a prisoner up there of sorts oh they don't like me because I I sometimes say things that are true and you know that Republicans tend to not enjoy the when people say things that are true I agree time was they time was they did and that was when I was a part of it I thought but your party has changed sir I think I think it was my fault though I think it was Nixon I think Nixon was the problem and turned into someone else and someone else and yeah definitely Nixon it's the good old days of Ronnie Reagan anyways main reason I'm here is I just want to say uh to this day [ __ ] Germany uh I understand that they have changed quite a bit and I am proud of the progress that they have made but at the end of the day [ __ ] Germany I lost a lot of friends there this is uh it's very very uh no they're a lot better now and and is great Anga Merkel you should have you seen the dumper on Angela Merkel I tell you yeah she got a she got a dumper that won't quit I saw her in a movie you see because I'm not allowed to read the news but she was in the background on a TV in a movie and I was like look at that dumper yeah it's like you heard that like uh and and if someone's in the movie jumper they got a jumper dumper jumper dumper yes Christ Christ he is my favorite actor did you know that I didn't not know that do you have anything else you want to add about Slum Dog Millionaire before you whisk off back into Republican Heaven well uh Slum Dog millionaire is a lot like uh L de beaver and that it is a pioneering movie of a people's culture and I I respect it okay great God bless you God bless everybody in the world God bless the fact that we murdered all them Nazis and uh God Bless America I'm going back to Republican heaven I'm gonna go get shut in my room again can you give me a newspaper can I give you a newspaper yeah you got a newspaper we don't really do those anymore for the most part well [ __ ] you jetpack oh wow I mean sorry like we don't really do newspapers anymore no I noded out I'm sorry did I how come here uh yeah did you wait did you not see him come in no I I introduced him and then I passed out and then oh yeah no he came in he was he was just ranting about you he was talking about oh I'm gonna take Jason down oh I'm gonna beat him so bad yeah well that's Dwight for you man he you get on his bad side and he'll go to war with you how did you get on his bad side look I don't like to discuss the past okay you're older than I thought um Jason this is a podcast uh in case in case people didn't know it it's not one in which we invite historical figures on to talk about nonsense it is actually a podcast called for screen and Country and on this podcast we talk about British films for the most part yes um we already talked about the BFI top 100 British Realms of all time now we are talking about the Empire list top 100 British FMS of all time and what we're doing is we're watching the movies that aren't weren't considered for the BFI list and we're saying you know maybe this should have a spot on the list instead of something else maybe English patients should step aside for I don't know [ __ ] Borat who knows right and most of this list is a good excuse for us to watch newer British films uh you know made in the last 23 years there are a few exceptions but for the most part these are you know British movies made in the last 20 years or so yeah in the aies and the in the teens exactly yeah so that's what we do here and you Jason and you are Brendan and we have been doing this podcast for you for what like three years four years seven seven months five years I'm not going math to two and a half centuries I don't know it doesn't time has no meaning yes our grand our our our grandfathers started it and we continue on the tradition yeah our our our great-grandfathers used to wear Tri corn hats when they would do this podcast in front of their radio back in 1901 what I need to do is adopt me some kids to keep this podcast going and Jason you got to do the same we got to get on this yeah we should we should can we well I mean adopting is very difficult is there place we could just buy a child can is there like an eBay for children I mean I think Madonna did it so nice nice get get her people to call me would you yeah uh hey Don Donna yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah she'll call you in a minute nice but anyway we um we're talking about a movie this week on that Empire list uh we're we're going to be talking about atonement but before we talk about atonement we should read some comments regarding last week's movie and that was of course Slum Dog Millionaire comments about the Slum Dog Millionaire I'm going to start off with a frequent commenter uh Hall of Famer Sharon horwat friend of the show Sharon says uh I remember really liking it when I first watched it I had a huge crush on dev Patel because of it and I've loved it seeing all his work since then I'm sure there are a lot of things that don't really hold up and that's perfectly fine also I miss uran con uh he plays the uh inspector who's interrogating him does that mean he's de he has since passed unfortunately [ __ ] dummy no he's not an [ __ ] he's just dumb we we Jason no no he's an [ __ ] no Jason no no everybody's everybody's dumb when they die so only some of them can be [ __ ] and he's not an [ __ ] give him some credit they're only [ __ ] if they die in a day ending in uh why yeah [ __ ] damn it all right well you have anything else to say about Sharon and her comments uh Sharon we love you um I agree that some stuff uh I don't know if I had a problem with it not holding up I just I think it just had a problem with the story structure for the most part I again I like the movie I just thought it was kind of overblown I mean ultimately doesn't it come down to the fact that this is a movie about Indian culture made by a British white guy like just to the extent that like he just doesn't have the same insight as maybe a director who is from India might I mean let's not forget that he had collaboration with an actual Indian person it wasn't just Danny Bole tackling it so absolutely and I I know he did he definitely did his research um it's just like it's like if if we went back and watched aarat if atat wasn't made by Inu filmmakers I think it would be well I think it would be the same as if atat was made with an appropriately cultured filmmaker and a white director yeah because there he did have a co-director who who also um by the way was not nominated when Danny Bole was nominated for an Oscar so that's interesting that's pretty [ __ ] up then it's kind of [ __ ] up okay who else oh wait our next comment comes from Andrew Littlefield former commenter and current commenter and I hope future commenter Andrew writes while well made I can't help but feel that it trivialized poverty by having an uplifting ending Salam Bombay told a similar story better in my opinion I'm not familiar with that movie Andrew but uh it might have to go on the old watch list Salam Bombay coming next week um yeah I don't know I I thought the uplifting ending I guess I was fine with it it just it was fine I I feel like the uplifting ending is is if if any if there's anything in this movie that's like truly a commercial decision that's probably it that well yes and no because I wonder how I wonder if the studio really wanted them to end with a musical number I think that's maybe a Danny Bole decision too I think I think it was a a great decision a fun way to walk out of the theater yeah I mean I'm sure they said oh happy ending sounds great and he said well do you want to know what it is like we don't care happy ending happy ending happy ending happy ending um okay it's time to get serious everyone shut up Chad Howard says I confess I patently adore this film from the time I saw it on the big screen I was the perfect Mark for Danny Bole and the movie Just leaves me with a full heart anytime I catch it on TV by the way um you can't say a mark for someone and make me not think of wrestling so what would Danny Bo's gimmick be were he a professional wrestler Jason uh he would be well he'd be the zombie guy he' just he he'd come out wearing like um he basically would be look look like look like nails uh except he'd have like some makeup that made his face look like it had holes so so because Danny Bo has directed one zombie movie his gimmick zombie well that's like his best known that's his best known movie it's like who would what would Stephen Spielberg's gimmick be um he'd probably be like a giant dinosaur he said no he'd be a giant shark Brandon he'd be he'd probably be a Nazi oh oh you dressed up as as aan gu oh I don't know he probably look it's me stepen Spielberg I can cosplay as a Nazi it's me and Mel Brooks and that's it he'd probably look something like uh John balushi flying a fighter plane wait what I don't think he wants to talk about that movie our next comment Brennon comes from another uh regular commenter alen Allen and he writes spoiler alert for the ending below so I guess we haven't seen the movie oh everybody skip ahead everybody skip ahead exactly 25 seconds go Jason oh also by the way we already spoiled that it was an uplifting ending so here we go uh aen says I just absolutely hated the ending and felt on the service the happy ending but really seemed like the nasty one her protagonist's real aim was to find his sweetheart which he did with the appearance on the show he should have lost on the last question as he already won what he wanted also by winning the big money that just means the gangsters and others will be extra Keen to get and harass and seek money off him in a post ending of the show felt like a Production Studio ending so much more than artistic wise otherwise it was okay but not amazing was discussed with myself when I got the cricket question wrong when I first viewed it well there's your argument Jason about the uh the the studio thing yeah no I see what he I see what he's saying and yeah there is definitely a lot of questions posed by how the movie ends by how the actual like situation after the fact is but maybe this is one of those movies it's like well there's never going to be a sequel so just don't worry about it you got your musical number leave the theater happy and enjoy yourself feel good about by the way I'm in D now uh Slum Dog billionaire let's do it he has to go on the biggest game show in the local uh the local star clusters directed by within 50 light years directed by Danny K uh yeah cricket cricket I'm there the old time the old time guy Danny K yep huh um by the way uh alen if you makes you feel any better I didn't know the cricket question either but that's because I don't know Cricut so if you knew Cricket if you knew cricket and you didn't get it you should feel bad Cricket to me is like football where I see it happening and I literally have no [ __ ] idea what's going on it might as well be someone writing on a different language on the screen it's like when I watch cricket on TV it feels like I'm watching one of those uh like a sketch where they're just doing a gibberish Sport and making up terms it just feels like that it just feels like it's not real and they're just having a laugh at my expense they may as well be playing happy funball that's right exactly or basball yeah at least basball has rules basetball is real you could play basball now speaking of basball Mike Conrad has a comment says just ended my school year and this was the last film I showed them in film studies class high production value creatively structured narrative British director Bollywood actors great film for students I I definitely agree with that it seems like it would be a great film for a film class there are a lot of boxes that it checks as far as wanting to show different techniques and and Danny Bole ultimately is a very good filmmaker I was really hoping oping you were going to be like hard no sir don't teach your kids that movie you should be showing them I don't know um what's a great cinematic classic that they should email me your curriculum Mr Conrad Debbie Does Dallas it's like oh I love the cinematography when this girl's getting railed in a locker room yeah that's some some real real uh misison sen going on there look how much hair the men had kids like it was a different time all right what is what was our last comment Jason our last comment comes from one Robert James Cole who I've been assured is not a killer or an assassin and uh he says I saw it in the theater when it finally had a wide release it was kind of a big deal I believe the showing I was at was sold out that said I almost walked out within the first 10 minutes because it uh but it wasn't because it was bad for some reason I just wasn't in the mood for it even though I'd paid for the ticket already I think it was around the point where the kids find the marble in the out house that I decided to stay because I realized that maybe the movie was more comedic that I expected as a result the energy of the crowd really turned things around I was glad I stayed because I was fully with this movie by the end that's a journey Robert that's a that's a I love a person that goes to a movie that has a journey in the process it does sound like a journey yeah and yeah I I get it I guess if you go in not knowing what to expect and you get kind of this like Chase is the chase scenes like the very first thing right yeah I think so which I think is a I don't know how you didn't enjoy that fantastic chase scene sir but I I thought it was great and well made and everything yeah yeah um and I want to say that unfortunately uh the film unaccompanied Miners did not have a uh marble in the ouse moment for me I was out of there in 20 minutes W how many movies have you actually walked out on in your life that's the only one I think wow dude that should tell you something about how bad that movie is no that's no you know what that's not that's not true Jason I take that back I walked out of two movies so I also walked out of the the classic comedy Caper uh Johnson Family Vacation uh because that's this is when I worked at the movie theater it was so bad that I I was on my 2hour break because they had us do these weird shifts where they had some people had an hour some people had two hours whatever I had a 2-hour break and I could have watched the whole thing from start to finish I left about 15 minutes in went upstairs and just sat in the break room is that is that the one with Jason sudas no this is the one with um said the Entertainer oh okay all right you're thinking of Weir the Millers that's the one I like that movie yeah that was good I don't recommend Johnson Family Vacation though you heard it here first folks everyone's like the [ __ ] is that movie anywh who um there you go that's the comments that's Slum Dog Millionaire in the bag and now we're going to move on we're going to talk about this week's movie a very darktale atonement [Music] atonement atonement atonement atonement I told man I told man now the rip a guitars we must atone for our sins atonement atement and that theme can only mean one thing Jason we are talking about atonement the 2008 film directed by Joe Wright and starring a Cavalcade of stars um starring Kira nightly James macavoy cersa Ronin in her earliest role uh one of her earliest roles Vanessa Redgrave Brenda bin Juno Temple sneaking into another movie Benedict Cumberbatch of course Benny C's always there in the background and very very briefly Alfie Allen Alfie what's it all about Alfie but of course we know Alfie Allen is the brother of Lily Allen and the actor who plays the on Grey Joy on Game of Thrones nobody's watched that show Jason they don't know what you're talking about that's true I don't care anymore HB brother let me do my t let me do my tight five on Game of Thrones it's topical still right you're gonna be playing conventions all over the country Jason this movie is I feel like something it's like a genre that I feel like came up a lot on the BFI top 100 is is that of a like you know it's a period piece it's kind of a costume period piece in the sense that it takes place you know quite a long time ago but I don't feel like this takes place as long ago as something like uh well I mean we talked about like uh Sense and Sensibility we talked about the goet I feel like it might be some closer to like the goet but like yeah well this actually the goet is even before this this is like this is like the 30s because they make reference to the war being imminent and we see him four late years later in like 1941 in France during or 1940 during the dunker of uation so I would have guessed about 1936 would have been yeah when the when the initial part of the movie took place or like um like that Julie Christie movie we watched why can't I think of the name far from the Madden crowd yeah far from the Madden crowd again that was like I think in the either early 20th or late 19th century yeah so this is like I'd say like the newest costume period piece that we've it's it's it's funny Brandon because if you think about it like we are watching movies now that are considered costume pieces that are from eras that they made movies in like they're not those aren those are contemporary movies made in that era and now we do that movies from that era as costume dramas that actually blew my mind a little bit because I thought about I thought about like I'm watching this and I'm like if they were if they didn't have the references to the war or like Hitler uh kind of Spun spun that's my word spune just get go with it okay just kind of like thrown throughout this movie if they didn't have that I would have been like oh yeah this is like in the 1800s yeah or like you know mid to late 1800s well was I think it's reflective of the type of Life the aristocratic Class LED is that for them it wasn't that different even as the Styles changed like very detached very detached and living in big residences and having big lands and going on vacation and stuff and pretending that you're above everybody else it's it's a British tradition re oh yes of course yes tell me about tradition Reginal I tell you I tell you Stephen tradition is a sort of thing where you do what you're expected simply because you've always been expected to do it and if you didn't do it then people would look at you strangely but what if I didn't want to do it this afternoon I'd rather do it tomorrow you have to do it it's tradition but but but I want to go in the swimming pool you can't it's tradition you couldn't break tradition okay fair enough but anyway atone um this is a movie about an accusation a very serious accusation um so you do want to I guess just break down just briefly what this movie is about just to kind of get us on the starting block we're initially introduced to uh uh briany Talis who is briany briany Talis who is a young girl probably about 12 years old and she's an aristocrat part of an aristocratic family and she's got a sister named Cecilia played by the great Kieran nightly and you know she's living her life she just writes a play which I thought was going to be more significant in the course of this movie she wrote a play and was gonna try to get it performed that day I thought that was ambitious but that's also a 12-y old um but yeah so she great type A personality yeah absolutely absolutely she but anyway so she sees something happen through her window which is a an encounter between uh Robbie who is a I guess a garden hand he worked in the gardens yeah he's also like a student right like he's he's kind of a garden head but he's also clearly doing this so that he'll get like a sponsorship for school also this he's the son of a of a cook who works in the house I believe also played by James McAvoy played by James back his mother of course played by Brenda bin so happy to see again yeah I heard that voice and I'm like oh it's her oh you can't be doing that yeah so um she sees his incident happened at the fountain and from her perspective it looks aggressive from our perspective because we because this movie does this a couple times where we see something happen from uh bren's perspective and then the very next scene is showing the actual thing that happened and we see how she misreads what's happening like kind of like um it's kind of like rashan esque a little bit yeah where way they of view yeah it looks like an aggressive confrontation between the two uh her sister uh Cecilia and Robbie uh at this Fountain and when we see the scene we learn that no I mean it's it's more annoyance than aggression uh it's clear that Robbie has feelings for Cecilia and he he was just basically teasing her and he grabbed her vase from her and he ended up breaking the handle off it and dropping it into the fountain by mistake and so she took off her like dress and jumped into get it which I thought wow that's a deep ass fountain that she had to like actually go down into it but uh and then she gets out and uh she you know angrily takes off and so I guess Bry saw that is something more aggressive maybe than it was and she starts building this narrative in her head of what's going on with her her sister and Robbie and it and it kind of The Next Step happens when Robbie intends to write um Cecilia a love note to kind of profess his love to her so uh though he'd been [ __ ] around on the typewriter and he wrote something really dirty for his own amusement and put it to the side Di and then wrote an actual note but grabbed the wrong paper going out and gave the the note to uh Bry and hey your sister yeah she's a goet by the way exactly that that's that's another thing of course yeah like oh goet reminded me of the goet right away but like and and actually it makes more sense later because we learned that uh that Bion has a sort of a crushy you like four different interpretations has it's not a real name ranie has a CR at some point it it's revealed that she has a crush on Robbie so yeah it's very goet at that point but she takes the letter and opens it up again go between [ __ ] and reads the letter and the letter is again very explicit uh saying things like I want to kiss your [ __ ] my apologies for having to drop the seab bomb but your sweet wet [ __ ] is what it says also I love I love how you casually was like I I love how you casually just said you know go between [ __ ] go between [ __ ] folks you know what I'm talking about you know it's it's that go between [ __ ] you guys seen you guys listen ladies and gentlemen listen Madison Square Garden listen up we've all watched the goet okay we all know what we're talking about here go between [ __ ] the cheers are deafening go between go go between [Laughter] [Music] Christy so yeah sorry so go between [ __ ] and she gives that she gives that dirty letter to uh her sister to Cecilia sister who who reads it and is like oh hey wait did you read this and then she doesn't respond to her because she's like so no did you read it and then she doesn't and that's at least to a moment later they made me laugh really hard where um they come in and and they say something and and Kier nly's like there's a letter and like stands up really like aggressively because yeah she's a little gun about letters at this moment obviously uh Robbie is horrified that he when he realizes he send the wrong thing he goes to talk to her uh about it and it turns out she's really into him too though and they end up [ __ ] and then Bry walks in on that and thinks that he is straight up assaulting or raping her yeah that's all she sees is her sister up against the wall and uh yeah Robbie just plowing her and then through a series of events here um she catches another girl her her Young cousin Lola she catches a quick glimpse of someone assaulting her yes and then running off and she puts it all together in her head this must be the sex maniac Robbie and gets him arrested and ultimately shipped off to war and and that that came about during a situation where her her cousins the twins had taken off and so they formed a search party and While She Was Out on the search party she ran into uh Lola being raped and she didn't see who it was and but she in in her head she's like it must be Robbie it must be Robbie although interestingly I went when I was watching that scene I was like wait because I I had an inkling of who it was because it was pretty [ __ ] obvious but um I went back and I paused that to see if you could actually see a face and no the face was obscured by her hair so you can't actually even see in that scene no they did a good job of really hiding that um actually funny Side Story this is back when I was um I used to see when I started out when I started out in the business way back in the day when I started out doing stuff like this I used to interview some like people for this PR Company I won't name the company but they used to send me like you know watch this movie This is the guy's movie and then we can interview we can set up an interview with the writer the director whatever how you got to talk to Richard Hatch uh almost talked to Richard Hatch but then he cancelled on me because he was sick and I was mad and then he died and I didn't wasn't as mad anymore um but I was sad and it felt bad but anyway um I I watched this one movie and it was like you know it's like an lgbtq themed movie whatever and there was like a it was like a murder mystery but I guess they didn't want to fake they didn't want to like fake out on um having like the killer so in the scene where you're not supposed to be able it's like dark and stuff there's a light for like a brief second that comes on but if you pause it which I did because I had to go to the bathroom I came back and I was like oh wait did they mean for for me to see that that's the killer clearly see the Killer's face I can clearly see the Killer's face so watch the rest of the movie and they're like trying to figure out who it is and I was like wait I know it's that guy it's that guy right there it ended up and it ended up being that guy I felt crazy I was like wait did they accid was that an accident You could argue that it was an accident or you could argue that they did it intentionally so that the sharpy viewer might recognize who it was but uh Jason I don't know based on some of those some of the movies I'd watched I don't think it was an acci I don't think it was uh intentional but yeah no I just wanted to mention that so yes it's a good idea that they obscured the face and then um well I mean Robbie is accused so I mean no one's going to take his word over anyone else's so of course he's arrested she she's very emphatic about it and she she very clearly like they question her and she's like no it was him yeah Bry is like there's it has to be him has be him and Lola is saying that it's him I want to get into that a little bit later but um she's also like yeah it was him it was him and then we kind of just the rest of the movie is just kind of like I guess them trying to connect again Bry is trying to get her life and in check as she gets older and she goes down a different path and it just kind of one kind of false accusation causes a whole Rip Tide of of stuff to happen whether some of it was destined to happen either way or not it's still you know some it's it still causes it's it's a sad it's a very depressed yeah it's sad movie this this is like this is one of those like pivotal moments in somebody's life and it changes everybody else's Direction and Robbie goes to prison obviously and he spends a few years there before getting the option to be released on the understanding that he joins the Army I I had to look this up Jason because I've seen this come up in a few movies before and mo most famously of course we all know everyone here in MSG we all know uh most famously it appears in the movie uh American Ninja um where Michael dudov is told to prison or the Army yeah and of course he chooses the Army because he's a man man or you might have heard of that obscure little war movie called The Dirty Dozen no can't say it have now back to American Ninja but like no but I but even when and if you want to hear about American Ninja you can you can listen to um an episode on my other podcast although I don't know if I recommend it because it's a very early one so I apologize if there's some stuff but um look look listen we were all dumb at one point but I I I wondered then I was like is this really a thing that happens as often as the movies tell us and I found out that it can happen but like a judge can't just decide it and the military has to go with it like the judge can decide it but then the military has to be like has to okay it yeah and and in this situation when this happens it's because they are at War so makes more sense here in in civilian like like in regular peace time this would be very unusual to be able to be released from prison just to join the military they need a Few Good Men yeah well they need a few men they don't need them good that's for sure you ever hear the deweer Brigade dirt Wier I forget the exact pronunciation of it was a prison Battalion in the um in the Nazi armed forces in the Vermont actually it might even been SS I'm not sure but the guy was a [ __ ] monster and they committed many many war crimes this prisoner Battalion because they were it was full of the worst of the worst of German prison sound they sound great and and the guy the guy the commander was a [ __ ] monster a monster ladies and gentlemen wait was were these German soldiers they were criminals who were then allowed to become German soldiers in the present okay gotcha well I mean yeah they besched the name of the of the good German soldier from you you wouldn't want you wouldn't want to impune the good reputation of the Vermont anyway this movie Atonement um now that we kind of got the basic plot out of the way um I think Jason and I we talked about this just before we got started here that we had very different expectations for what this was going to be because I had assumed from all from all evidence um that I could see that it was just it was it was a costume piece it was a period piece it would be you know I knew that there was a something sinister in the plot but I didn't know it was this kind of thing I don't know about you Jason I don't know what you expected going into I think I had some thought that it was a holocaust movie oh wow okay I might be confusing it with the reader was that a movie that was related to Holocaust yeah I think that was around around the same time perhaps yes best picture nominee that no one remembers um so yeah I didn't I didn't know at all what to get into it and then I saw that it was like a costume period romance and of course I thought okay here we go it's G to be another far from the Madden crowd it's going to be three hours long and it's going to be long and drawn out that's not what we got we got a two-hour movie that's actually pretty good paced and and uh uh kind of keeps you there um it's a powerful movie Powerful movie where did we go in the story did we finish the I mean we we we don't have to go through the whole thing we we'll break it down as we go through but but was so should we just to basically say where it goes sure that we we eventually have a a time Jump you know uh Robbie's in the Army in France and they are retreating because it's 1940 and the Battle of France is going poorly and the English are retreating the British expeditionary force and its allies including the Canadians is retreating to Dunkirk to get the [ __ ] back to England and by the way I want to say right off the bat like I like the movie Dunkirk that Christopher Nolan made it's a really good movie but it is this was a much more realistic interpretation in my mind of what the evacuation at Dunkirk would have looked like because they had far more people in these scenes than in the Dunkirk scenes like it felt like it was more like chaos because yeah 300,000 guys on the beach and obviously we don't see that many in this scene but it felt more packed in this in this depiction of it say than the Nolan version I think but I also think Dunkirk is like a more personal like intimate portrayal rather than this one I think is more sprawling because you're not necessarily the movie's not about that really like it's a scene it's a ma major part of this movie I think it's part of the aesthetic that Christopher Nolan is going for in that movie and I don't begrudge of it but what I'm saying is is that though aesthetically that looks cool in that movie this movie seems like a more representative version of what it might have actually looked like during the evacuation as soldiers were like crammed onto beaches and just waiting around and causing trouble well Jason there's like a six minute tracking shot this yes my wife was watching a little bit of the movie with me and she noticed that and I was like oh yeah that's right the camera hasn't cut and it just keeps going it was really cool it's it's whenever I see things like that and that there's no cheats like you can tell there's no cheats it's just shot like that like listen 19 was it 1928 1917 nope 1928 wouldn't have been taking place during World War I it would have been far less that's in the alternate version of World War I that kept going but 1917 was like you know was like a one shot and obviously there were a few cheats in there but um and it's still very impressive and I really like that movie but this one like that six- minute scene is is it that's it like that's the whole thing it doesn't cut one single time and you got to think like man you [ __ ] up five minutes and 42 seconds into that scene you got to do that [ __ ] all over again the thing you think about this movie that's obviously must have been where the Lion Share the budget went scene wise into this movie was pulling that off yeah yeah and I wasn't expecting something like that either like I never expected us to even go outside of this location really no absolutely I thought we were going to have just a straight kind of classic costume drama like like Mr Turner type thing where Mr Turner didn't really go all that far and if he did it was cuz they just redressed a room or something uh but this really feels yeah and I think what threw me is this really feels like you said you mentioned the goet you know goet [ __ ] this feels like act one of this movie feels like act three of the goet yeah yeah exactly because this this this even this starts this would be like if Allan Bates didn't kill himself at the end of the go between got accused of raping someone well and instead well I mean instead got CED off cuz he would have been and sent to prison probably um and then you know maybe he would have been sent to war we don't know right possibly I don't remember exactly when that movie took place but I feel like he might have been sent to war yeah but I'm I'm just saying it's interesting the comparisons between those two movies but ultimately I think this movie is about the dangers of assuming yeah the dangers of assumption and presumption right based on like I don't know like very fragmented ideas or images or something and maybe even like with Bry um maybe even unconscious bias because you mentioned briefly that we eventually get a sense that Bry had a bit of a a school girl crush on Robbie now thankfully not reciprocated Robbie is an adult and he's like nope this is uh you're a child that's not okay um but she clearly is into him a little bit and you got to think like I don't know like I'm not saying it's it's malicious or it's intentional but that has to enter her mind right when she's forming this opinion of what she thought might have happened between him and her [Music] sister he's a sex maniac that's right what's theia going to do I don't know you want to call the police do you think so he said he thought about it all day long all you have to do is show them the L you won't tell anyone will you promise I promise good if he found out there's no knowing what he might do you're right you better tide your face I've still got to change thanks briy well I I think it I think it ties into her being a writer she has a mind that is very good at creating narratives and and we as humans all do this this is one of the great things about humanity and one of our great failings too at the same time is that we we need to structure things into narratives and she's very good at that at a young age but she but as you say she's doing it with fragmented incomplete information and thus drawing the wrong conclusions uh from that information and of course she's 13 or 12 or whatever at the time and she doesn't realize the full implications of of what she's doing which is in the moment sort of a childish revenge against Robbie right but but and I'm also like but is she but she's not but that's the thing too it's not like it's not like she's consciously or subconsciously sorry how what's the word I'm looking for it's not like she's aware that she's getting revenge you know what I mean it's it's like I don't know if it's Forefront of her mind but it's definitely there it's definitely influencing her decision and it influenced maybe how and that is influenced by The Narrative that she's created that he's some sort of sexual creep as opposed to a guy who's actually into her sister but he but and and the fact is she doesn't she holds off for a while in telling someone until the moment where she swears she sees him assaulting Lola her young cousin um because before that moment she's kind of like she's uneasy she doesn't know quite what to do but like when that moment hits that's when she you know she goes Full Tilt and says oh it was Robbie it was 100% Robbie um and and what I think is really interesting about that scene is two is you talk about Lola for a second because she's like I don't know she's supposed to be like 15 years old and Benedict Cumberbatch spoiler alert is the one that assaulted her um and he comes in like the biggest creeper that ever creeped he's a real scumbag in this movie he's definitely well in that he is definitely trying to flirt with this 15-year-old girl uh when he's hanging out with the kids because and and the the moment that really really drives it home is when he gives her that chocolate bar he he owns a chocolate factory factory with you want to what what better way to make him a creep well what better way to to find children to get into a relationship with by owning a chocolate factory he gives her the piece of CH how do you think wi how do you think Willie Wonka got all his girlfriends so he gives her the piece of chocolate and she takes it out and looks at it and he goes you have to bite it yeah it's it's something but so actually that's and that's an interesting question I have for how that turns out so we know by the end of the movie that yes it was this character Paul or whatever his name was PA Marsh Paul Marshall not Paul Walker Paul Marshall no not Paul Walker although Paul Walker did have a very young girlfriend good for him uh uh nope nope I wouldn't say that it was kind of weird so Paul Marshall we learn later in the movie then as time has gone on and uh uh uh brany has gotten uh older um that Lola and Paul are to be married which leads to a really interesting question one does it happen like we think it did that that Lola got raped by Paul Walker sorry Paul Marshall I a joke it was a joke the first time now I'm going to do it I am not cutting that out oh goddamn so we look at it yeah is is it as it seems now is it that Lola got raped by Paul Marshall and then she was somehow forced to marry him or or like got into relationship with him and I wrote down in my notes like oh back then so many relationships began with a rape but now I'm thinking like was Lola maybe I mean in I don't want to say consensual but but was Lola actually consenting at least as far as a 15-year-old could consent she was into it she wanted to do it he knew it was wrong and that's why he took off and then they get married then that ultimate it's like the the crime is certainly uh uh Brian's but or Brian what was it Bry Bry you have a that's like the seventh different way you pronounce whatever so not in that situation though not only is it her burden it is Lola's burden for not speaking up and saying that she you know that she was trying to hide the fact that she was having this contentual relationship by claiming she was raped by Robbie after they had the discussion like I I don't know yeah I know it's and and the movie doesn't give you the easy answer either we don't know for sure but I do think there's a scene that comes up that's interesting to me in that when before that scene even happens Jason my question is has it happened already because there's a scene where Lola mentions uh she's she kind of in tears a a little bit and she tells uh she tells Bry that it's because of the twins we didn't mention the twins but there's twins there and they're kind of a little bit obnoxious or whatever but she mentions that the twins gave her uh quote Chinese burns on her arm and I wondered in that scene just looking back at that did they or was that an earlier assault attempt that's a good question I hadn't thought of that because she's very much in tears yeah and that seemed like an over reaction to just like the twins bothering her a little bit yes I suppose I suppose yeah you're right Bron that is an interesting question that that maybe wasn't the first time because before that was when we saw him flirting with her kind of for the first time so it is possible that something had already happened Perhaps Perhaps that first time she was raped and that second time maybe it was less rape I I I don't mean that in a terrible way I just mean maybe maybe you know maybe she decided that this was worth pursuing ultimately as greasy as says to say that well ultimately at end of the day no matter what it's statutory rape yeah no no question because she's a child and he's not I don't know what the lots of consent were in the 40s but now I don't think you could uh I don't think it's got to be highered than 15 in Britain but then again who knows the British are weird people they like to drink a lot so who knows there you go Britain what's your what's your age of consent Jason wants to know he's coming down for a visit yeah Boris Johnson specifically get in touch with me and let me know I know you're busy I know you just avoid voided a Calamity with your cabinet voting against you so good for you keep going but um get in contact with us we're on Twitter by the way absolutely we can put out the invitation right now Bor Johnson if you want to come on the podcast and talk about British film please we we'll have you I mean let's not talk about your politics because it'll just make us really mad make us really really mad but you're but he's he's a fun he's a fun charismatic guy and he would be good on this podcast anything else he should probably go burn in a pit of fire but being this podcast that's the one thing he should be allowed to do all right there you go there the open invite is there Mr Johnson um but yeah okay so yeah I don't know about this about this whole thing with Lola and the other thing is um when the moment happens where you know uh Bry asks her she asks Lola she's like well or she tells her she's like well it must have been Robbie it had to have been Robbie and Lola is just like yes no definitely it was Robbie 100% so I'm wondering if it's like okay well Lola's been caught yeah or they've been caught like it's obvious that somebody was either trying to rape her or she was having sex yes and and either way she doesn't want it known that it was happening if it was consensual or if it was rape she doesn't want anybody to know about it well here's the thing if she says if she if it's rape and she did you know well I mean it is rape it is statutory rape but I mean if it was not something that she wanted yeah um and it was you know Paul Marshall if she says something who is going to believe her that's it because he's like a big-time industrialist right it's it's far easier to exactly it's far easier dependent on like the working guy and especially because Alfie Allen's character comes up as a possible suspect obviously because he's the dumb farmand like yeah you know they yeah well clearly a poor person like that would rape an aristocratic girl clearly and well and there there's even a a very quick moment where Alfie Allen kind of gives her the eye a little bit but he's much younger yeah and closer to her age I believe much more uh uh what's the word like he's he's clearly not very assertive this guy like he's very passive he's passive kind of you know kind of simple he's a nice guy yeah real nice guy but the but the better version of a nice guy yeah I hope so an actual nice guy um yeah so I think that's part of the motivation too is that she's like you know I I I better say I yeah no oh it's great yeah it's Robbie 100% cuz I mean she's also seeing this opening where like oh you already thought think he's like a sex criminal so if I just go with it I don't really have to prove anything because you that's already in your head but then but then when we have this time Jump Then we have a we have a a briane that is uh a person who is struggling with this she in her older age she's been tortured by it she understand she starting to understand that she did something so horrible for no real reason Beyond her own selfish desires isn't isn't it interesting too how she is a nurse and I'm not saying that a lot of people had very much of an option at that time during war but it's interesting that she's a nurse during wartime and and her thing is that she's you know caring for people caring for soldiers for men giving them like reassurance and everything like is that part of her uh way of healing 100% because it specifically this wasn't like she took this job because she needed a job she gave up uh a placement yeah she was going to go to Cambridge University and she gave up that placing to go become a nurse so that maybe this being a nurse is something of a uh Penance on her part for the for the terrible things she did and maybe trying to live up to her sister in some way because her sister is also a nurse well that's the thing too they both leave the life of privilege they both leave Cambridge because uh and for different reasons right like Cecilia is obviously you know devastated that Robbie's been taken away and she knows he didn't do it or at least yeah I mean you I think as an audience we we're convinced he didn't do it because we we see who he is we see who the bet the thing is I think this is so smart what this movie does Jason is they have him in scenes by himself yeah so we see him when there's no one else around so we know he's like at worst you know he makes that note and kind of laughs about it and thinks he gets rid of it but obviously he doesn't and that just [ __ ] the whole thing goes off from that but he's he's he's good like he's nice he's a he's a good he's a good guy he's a decent man he's a decent man I hate saying nice guy that's always what I want to say but I'm like that has such a negative connotation now it also has a negative connotation because um I famously I learned that when comedians call somebody a nice guy that means he's not funny he's like oh yeah what do you think of what do you think Dan Cook nice guy great guy love Dan Cook great guy what do they they turn into Donald Trump yeah great guy wonderful man Dan Cook I invited him to my last rally but he didn't want to do it because I guess he still got some sense to him but I love the Dan Cook I like when he does that joke about the cashew the cashew is a very interesting peanut it's not quite a peanut but it's a cashew I love that your Trump has gone from you doing Alec Baldwin to you doing James Austin Johnson well he's the he's he's the current he's now the best Trump absolutely there's no question Chang my impression course Melrose Place also the movie I feel like doesn't take a side but does Bry make a reasonable call based on what she sees is my question to you I uh no because she clearly didn't see who it was but to no I'm talking about I'm talking about no sorry I should re maybe rephrase that I'm talking about the stuff before that to make her think that um there's some aggression going on like it's building right because she sees the scene with the vase I think it's reasonable to see that as a possibility she sees the scene with the vase she gets the letter she sees what she thinks might have been assault and there's even like when she catches that they both walk out clearly they're walk we know they're walking out like embarrassed and horrified they've caught but it could be interpreted I think just watching that as you know he stops because you know [ __ ] she's in the room and Kier knly gets the [ __ ] out of there yeah it's it's like a comedy of errors that isn't very funny at all no no it's very sad sad and very dark a comedy of sadness if you will yeah a sadness of Errors yeah oh a tragedy of Errors OB oh that's a good name for a band it is a there you go it's a punk band or or an album maybe someone call the ghost of Ian Curtis Joy Division the tragedy of Errors yeah that's that's what the the the the U brothel during Nazi era Germany was was commonly referred to as tragedy of erors it was very mismanaged oh it's just a comedy of errors so much VD I would love to see a brave director by the way take on the subject matter of Like A Nazi brothel the manager doesn't know what he's doing get Rob Zombie on the phone oh no I want it to be just like like a goofy comedy but like every 10 minutes they just remind you oh right this is a brothel for Nazis may maybe this is Steven Spielberg's late life project maybe it's like I still got all the sets from Schindler's List they're in my backyard turn you have a concentration camp in your backyard he's just got [ __ ] concentration SC and like SWAT stick he's got an entire replica of a schwitz in his back property with the whole The arbite Mach fry and everything on it yeah and like I live next to Steven Spielberg and you're never going to believe what he has in backyard swastikas I could just see the interview well look I know it's controversial and I understand I get it but at the same time there's a lot of white supremacists in this country and a lot of them want to Airbnb at aitz and they can't but they can here oh my God Stephen Spielberg's a Airbnb the most controversial thing he's ever done look it's okay I'm Jewish too oh boy that's horrifying uh so atonement um I like that this movie also doesn't shy away from how horny people are all the time people are very horny all the time and and yes that is a that is kind of a refreshing look at this era of really like driving home how horny everybody is all the time and it's because they're not allowed to do anything about it that's why those two have sex in a [ __ ] Library rather than go find a room somewhere because they might get caught in the room yeah we always get like you know the we get we've gone through like these prim and proper you know costume dramas I mean I mean outside of the UL the last scene in the goet where we actually see them briefly having sex um most of these movies are you know costume dramas that are like you know hello and of course that scene Elizabeth where we briefly saw Kate's Blanchett yes ma'am yes ma'am because I'm gross um and I was like I watching these movies I'm like I think there are people who watch these movies and they just truly believe that people didn't have sex before like the 60s yeah I mean that's the impression you get especially when you watch old movies where you're not allowed to really do anything beyond like a a sexy look and maybe a raise of the skirt yeah know what I mean know what I'm saying well you you you have that uh that code where like at the the foot had to stay on the floor while you're on the bed you know what I mean absolutely yes um because scientifically if your foot's on the floor your dick can't be out that's just not that's that's how the Body Works physically impossible for that to happen uh what I thought was interesting in that scene in the library it when we eventually see the full context of it because of course again we see up front her basically walking in on them and catching them and then we see the full context of the scene and what happens I thought it was an interesting choice to have uh at least in my mind and correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like he enters her and then kind of sits there for a minute and then is like I love you not [ __ ] her just kind of being in there and I thought that was an interesting choice it was sweet I just want to yeah exactly it's really cute did you just want to hang out here for a sec it's not that I want to come in you I just want to be there you know we're we're one person right now yeah we're one person exactly and it's a good time to say I love you when I'm inside you and I mean you know I gotta we talked about Bry and I gotta say cersa Ronin [ __ ] kills it movie Young she's so good such a great like like obviously still a great young actor she's only like you know she's not even 30 at at this point but in this movie you know she's 13 she comes in the thickest Irish accent like the director Joe wri said he hired her and because she did this like she did a great like accent of this time period so accurately that he had no idea like when she showed up and he heard her like Irish bro hello hello there director love you I'm Saron he he was just like excuse me what he was so blown away by how did this urchin get on my set how talented she was at such a young age and I mean not not to knock anybody else in this movie I mean Kira knly and James makoy wonderful also Brenan got to point it out I have to mention it uh it's not quite quite in Tarantino but there's a lot of feet in this movie was there a lot of feet I noticed yeah well I would notice that but uh I would notice that yeah Kieran nightly got a lot of lot of barefoot scenes there was a lot of different Barefoot scenes in this movie and I'm like Joe right what are we doing here you trying to you trying to pay a little H to your buddy Quenton I assume they're best buds yeah well obviously I mean they both make very similar movies yes so clearly what else is Joe right directed I'm not familiar oh we'll find out next week Joe Joe Versus the mountain is that a movie well Joe Versus the Volcano is a movie well Joe Versus the mountain is the prequel when he just it was a trial run he didn't want to get he didn't want to get covered in lava he wanted to try to fight Mountain first this Mountain's not angry yet that's right that's right that's my that's my Tom Hanks he provoked he it was a cliffhanger he provoked the mountain so hard that it became a volcano and that's where the next movie picked off hey hold on a second that's not a cliffhanger I was in Cliffhanger that's true you were sir uh you're not dead how are you here no I just I just stopped by for a visit talking my old friend Jimmy here oh it's always good to see us I love your work hey I don't know why we never did a picture together I know I I went to Leon uh Leon uh it wasn't Leon It Was Daryl zelck I went to Daryl zelnick and I said let's do a movie and and he wouldn't give me the money he said no Jimmy he saidou got to do a movie with someone popular and it's going to be you and Andrew Dice Clay and I said [ __ ] you Daryl zelnick I I wanted you to be Apollo Creed well I remember that and they said well we can't have you wearing blackace cuz it's not acceptable even in 1983 well that the movie came out in the 76 well they figured by 1983 it wouldn't be acceptable so they wanted to be ahead of the game oh okay yeah no I remember 1976 because it was just before they made that remake of The Jazz Singer yeah I wanted to be in that movie I I I caign for that movie Sly I remember seeing you at the audition J Jimmy I got a goal because I just realized I thought I was sitting on this uh I thought I was sitting on a leather couch but I just realized I've just been laying down on the floor it's just my skin so I got to go figure out what's going on with that whole thing well good to see a slide I'm going to go back and guard the door cuz I don't want Mark Wahlberg coming in here goodbye hey I stuck in here oh you get out of here Mark Wahlberg you're not allowed here no I hold on I want to talk about this movie you can't talk about this movie I get Mark wallberg out of here Jimmy you got it Mr McLoud oh did I ever tell you about that time I beat up a Vietnamese man well I heard about that and that's why you got to leave we like the Vietnamese and this you can't make me oh sorry fellas continue yeah let's continue talking about atonement so anyway this chick right she Mr Mr Stallone if you would I mean we appreciate you coming by but we really got to finish this podcast episode J back just kidding guys I'm still alive and smart just just this way Mr I'm just gonna walk out this way here I go adri slam you guys you guys remember that movie uh yeah I was I was lucky yeah you were you were great Adrian wow um that was unhinged you go ahead follow thanks Jimmy Jesus I don't even know I don't even know how we recover from that I don't know it's just just the weirdness that happens on this podcast we tried to do this a serious show about British film and we keep getting interrupted by dead people and celebrities we really dead people and celebrities not dead celebrities though no well well once you're dead in addition to being stupid you're no longer famous oh you're just dead okay yeah so the 27 Club not as impressive anym no not really it's just a bunch of dead 27 year olds just a bunch of dumb 20-y old a bunch of dumb [ __ ] 27 year olds who died so anyway yeah um weal okay we talked a lot about the the beginning part of this movie uh of course when Bry is 18 she's played by ramala Gary who I think also does a very good job yes um and uh like you said she goes she is a nurse and Kier nightly is a nurse and James makoy is in the midst of the war and this movie takes on a whole other like tone I guess so the tone is similar but it it it gets it just it goes from costume drama to kind of War movie not exactly war movie but like ITC it's not enough of a war movie because if you had described to me this as a war movie I would have been sorely disappointed but having it described the way it was as like a romance a costume drama romance and then scene kind of the how much of it is about the war like was really really kind of surprising for me yeah I mean I would I think ultimately you could still say it's a romance yeah no ultimately at at its core that's what it is end of the day it's about the relationship between Kiera knly and James makoy and how it all goes south from this very powerful accusation false accusation like this is this movie is hitting the notes that I think English Patient hits for other people yeah but it does it so much better oh yeah question I I watch this and I just feel like that this has so much more forward momentum than a lot of those costume dramas did and and and that English Patient did because I feel like those movies the problem I have with those movies and I don't hate them outside of The English Patient which I don't really like I don't hate the costume dramas we've watched I think they're fine but it's it's just it's hard for me to get super into it because I feel like there's not enough forward momentum propelling it and it doesn't need to be fast it doesn't need to be a [ __ ] MTV music video style editing for me to for keep my attention I've want like you said earlier I've watch lots of long movies no problem with a slow pace yeah fine but I feel I I have to feel like we're getting somewhere I think that was a hard a hard thing I had a little bit with when we talked about Mr Turner as well yeah is a lot of times I was like okay but like what are we doing like where are we going with this um it just kind of like movies just kind of some of those movies just kind of linger too much but I feel like this like we were going from point A to point B to point C Point D and we were always going somewhere yeah there there was a pretty steady Pace to this movie and and and the movie the movie looks beautiful um throughout but I also love how the the style of film making changes a little bit like you said we get the very you know standard that we get when when it's like the costume drama stuff and then when it turns into this like sort of War movie we get this long unbroken shots we get that that that shot that really stuck out for me is where we first see Bry when she's 18 and a nurse and it's like the shot of all the nurses standing there and they slowly leave the room leaving her right in the middle and it's like an overhead shot yeah um it's beautiful it's just it's just wonderful that shot and also let's point out too uh through the course of this movie we have three separate actresses playing briany and briany and all three of them have the same haircut and by the end of the movie I was like wow she really rode that haircut to the end and I get it I get it it's a it's a technique so that we know that like the haircut and the mole on her face or technique so that we know this is the same character even though it's played by a different actress but also it seems funny the idea of having the as as a person who's been shaving their head since they were a teenager it seems ridiculous to have the same haircut for a long period of your life I do uh I do miss by the way I know it still happens sometimes but I do miss just every movie just having a different actor for when people are different age like I don't I don't need to see someone [ __ ] like what do you call it deep faked as like a young person like I don't I don't need that to buy into it you know what I mean like I buy that uh I buy that cersa Ronan ramary and Vanessa Redgrave are all playing the same character I don't I don't need I don't need [ __ ] Vanessa red grave to be deaged look like a 13year old girl the Deep fake stuff's getting good I showed you that clip of uh the the Rambo uh which or roombo which had uh Sylvester Salone deep faked into Terminator 2 it's fine but like not bad it's good but like I don't need it like it just doesn't it it's not necessary I don't think you don't want Jim Carrey and [ __ ] uh that other guy in Terminator 2 in the first Terminator yeah the the punks they turned them into Carri Brad Pit and Arnold Schwarzenegger was Arnold Schwarzenegger one of them yeah he he was the guy that the because he says give me your boots and your clothes that's the guy that w i not know that yeah no I don't need that if it's like a funny comedy video sure but like I think it's I I just missed that I guess I miss when that happened more often yeah um but it's interesting too because you you could tell like they're all they all worked very closely together and in fact it's it was revealed that they they did all kind of come together and were like okay this is our Cadence this is the way way we talk this is the way we move this is the way we walk and they all the all three actors like really collaborated heavy heavy on this and I think it really shows there's a little bit of a deer in the headlights kind of feeling to that character and it is consistent across all three of them yeah yeah I don't know if that's just her being widey and to the world or something but it does come across as a little little stunned but also it's clear that she's a creative person and a a talented writer she writes 21 novels in her life mhm mhm yeah that's pretty cool that's the thing too that's the thing I wondered about too like not only does this happen because you know of uh not only this this spiral because of her accusation but then she then she becomes like a famous writer that's got to I mean that's great and that's your job and that's you making your money but that's got to eat away at you a little bit too yes so late in the movie Brandon we'll talk about this now late in the movie we have a situation where older breny is um Bry is this is a bit now she wants to get back in contact with her sister so she sends her a letter and she doesn't get a response and so she just kind of shows up to her house one day yeah and of course she goes in and Robbie is there and you know she's basically trying to try to reconnect with them and and say like hey look I I did this I'm sorry I did this I know who did it we can do something about it and obviously they're pretty pissed both of them about this point but basically tell her like you're going to go you're going to go you're going to sign an a DAV it with a lawyer and you're going to go to a judge and you're going to say this and you're going to you know whatever well this is because this is the point where she she finds out like she sees Lola getting married to Paul Marshall and realizes that it was Paul Marshall that did it that raped again interesting scene because when they walk by Lola and Paul they walk by uh uh Bion Bry Bry and Lola kind of looks at her as they go by and Paul kind of glances at her and then like turns around and looks back at her like really like he like oh [ __ ] is that her and that makes me wonder too it's like is he like oh that was the girl that saw us back in the day and like oh uh oh I don't know what does that mean and is is he like oh that's the girl that saw us making love or oh that's the girl that saw me raping you well I mean again either way it's rape yeah either way well again I know what you're saying I know what you're saying he may not have thought of it as rape or he may have yeah or he may have yeah yeah but yeah and then like said then she's she's going off to talk to her sister and and tell her this yeah you'll go to your parents as soon as you can you'll tell them everything they need to know to be convinced that the evidence you gave was false you'll meet with a solicitor make a statement have it signed witness send copy St house is that clear yes you'll write a detailed letter to me explaining everything that happened leading up to you saying you saw me by the lake try to include whatever you can remember of what Danny Hardman was doing that night Hardman wasn't Danny Hardman it was Leon's friend Marshall I don't believe you he's married Lola I've just come from their wedding Lula won't be able to testify against him now he's immune I'm very very sorry for the terrible distress that I've caused I'm very very sorry just do as we've asked of you write it all down just the truth no Rhymes no embellishments no adjectives and then leave us be I will I promise and after this is all kind of wrapped up and they kind of like come to the agreement this this is what's going to happen we have this scene we kind of see her face for a minute and then it cuts and it's in the future and we're like looking at like a bank of monitors and we see in Old Branny sitting there uh interviewing with a direct which actually is it was it was another director who was playing the interviewer or what was his name I think it's Anthony mangela the director of The English Patient yes the [ __ ] director of the English P I knew I recogniz that name yeah he oh man he's dead don't be I know he's dead he he actually did that shortly before he died yeah he died shortly but he do he he almost shows up in this movie just be like hey Brandon and Jason hey remember me yeah I didn't think of it he specifically was tating us from Beyond the Grave God damn it you Tony oh Tony I got firsthand accounts of all the events I didn't personally witnessed the conditions in prison the evacuation to Dunkirk everything but the effect of all this honesty was rather pitiless you see I couldn't any longer imagine what purpose would be served by it by what sorry served by honesty by honesty or [Music] reality because in fact I was too much of a courage to go into see my sister in June 1940 I never made that journey to bance any idea what it's like in here so the scene in which I confess to them is imaginable sleep so deep invented how old do you have to be to know the difference between right and R and in that could never have happened but you did nothing about it because Robbie Turner died of septic Senor at Bray Dunes on June the 1st 1940 the last day of the evacuation cheer pal [Music] and I was never able to put things right with my sister cilia because she was killed on the 15th of October 1940 by the bomb that destroyed the gas and water mains above balum Tube Station she basically says that she wanted to atone by by writing this scene and and giving them their happiness like it's the last thing that she could do at this point like she could write the way that it worked out so that they could finally have the time together and and and deal with that I guess where Unfortunately they never did get to in fact the only time they got to see each other after everything went down was for that one half hour and we see that scene in the movie where they meet on her lunch break on on Cecilia's lunch break and have a brief moment together before he has to ship back out and she's going to go to work yeah that's it that's the the only time and yeah and then they have their their kiss and then that's pretty much it that's it but in her mind they they they deal with this and then they get to go to this Cottage that they were going to go to that a friend of hers was going to let them use and it was like on the White Cliffs of do you can see them in the background was beautiful so like the last scene of the movie is them going into this Cottage and having that happiness that even though it didn't get to exist she kind of manifested it into existence as part of her atonement for what she did so do you think though I she says like like you know Bry as an older woman as Vanessa Redgrave who by the way Vanessa Redgrave I believe also plays the older version of Julie Christie in the goet remake from what I remember oh oh okay I'm gonna look that up right now we did we did watch that remake yeah yeah sorry I should reward that so obviously it's not Julie Christie in the remake but or in the 2015 version but Vanessa Redgrave does play the older version of that same character which I thought was interesting that she's also in this because it kind of reminded me of the go between at times although absolutely I like this better than the goet but agree with that but it's interesting that and and I got to wonder though like she talks about how she's doing this to give them their happiness she's manifesting it like you said but is it that and is it also to give herself something because I feel like obviously like this didn't happen so is it is it also like a way of like is like a little bit of closure for her because she never got that closure she even says when she's talking about the book um I didn't even reach out to her at all to my sister like I didn't have the guts to go to go see her and to go like um uh talk to her try to make amends even after she found out about who really assaulted Lola like she didn't reach out at all and then at that point and then and then it was too late and then like you said they both died it's it's kind of a double whammy she's she's atoning not only for her original sin there she's atoning for her cowardice later on and and and she gives and and that's the thing the cynical person I suppose could argue that no it's all very selfish because she's giving herself the closure that she didn't have the courage to to actually give in real life well that's my qu that's that's what I'm wondering like is it does and I I think you could again you I think you could see that from a cynical perspective for sure I I choose to take from a more positive perspective that yes it is part of her own therapy to feel better about herself but but it's still I think a genuine desire on her part to give them the happiness because it's literally the only thing she can do at that point well I mean yeah and I mean in that scene that she writes for the book that doesn't actually happen she does have you know Cecilia her sister you know Kier nightly is telling her like your problem is you can't just accept that you made a mistake and admit that you made a mistake and and you know take hold of your guilt like accept your guilt you you you you come in here and you want to say like oh I found out who really did it I can solve it this is a quick fix no worries so if that's what she if that's what Cilia is saying in that scene then Bry has written that line for her yeah and that means that you know she believes in that she's either she's considered the possibility that she would be thought of that way or she had that same thought herself exactly and but I think yeah in any situation it's like you think of somebody going to apologize it is partially for them because they want to feel better about themselves and true you know accept their apology give them forgiveness and they can go on with their lives and feel great and you NE you don't necessarily owe them that yeah it's [ __ ] up human emotions are weird and humans are [ __ ] full of [ __ ] that's if you pull anything from this episode yeah please somebody put that on a on a motivational poster for me say it again for the folks so they can type it up uh what did I say human emotions are [ __ ] weird humans emotions ladies and gentlemen human emotions are [ __ ] weird and humans are also full of [ __ ] there you go put it on a mug that'd be sweet by the way folks Brendon sent me a uh a sweater with this podcast logo on it and I want to publicly thank him for it because uh if there's one thing I needed it was more hoodies so thank you Brandon no problem you can also thank Mar but it's sweet and maybe one day you people can buy it I don't know there there you go what do I mean by you people I mean the audience just just to clarify that Jason to clarify that Jason's not a bigot no I try not to be anyways yeah um yeah and I okay and Jason I'm really glad that they they went this route by by her saying that that scene was not really what happened because at first I was like this feels too clean like are they really going to solve this all right now it felt too clean and then when she said that I was like okay it it's very devastating but it feels more real it's an interesting thing for her too because in the in the fictional version of this this is a complicated amount of stuff that she's got to deal with and go through but ultimately it's all going to work out to some extent at least in the sense that she's going to feel better but because in reality it it's much more realistic in the sense she doesn't get any closure because they both die and it's not technically a problem for her like on a practical level it's not it doesn't make an issue in her life from then on because they're both dead so how is that going to affect her life but emotionally obviously it is it is something that weighs over her for the rest of her life and is a trauma that she's trying to deal with and this book which she started even I think even maybe when her sister was still alive is something that comes out of that and it's part of her own therapy to you know kind of atone for what she did and I mean you got to ask I mean sure these people lived in a life of privilege I mean Robbie certainly didn't but like how inevitable was it that Robbie would have just went to war anyway I'm not I'm not I'm not if he wasn't in prison there's a good chance I he's the kind of guy if you look at him he's got enough education he would have been an officer and they make reference to that because he can speak French and one of the other gu guys in his unit is like how did you get guy could speak French and he's a private and he's like yeah they wouldn't let me be an officer because he's a convicted sex offender or at least whatever the equivalent was back in 1940 or just like a prisoner in general yeah a prisoner in general exactly he wouldn't be given officer status yeah and and like James makoy has the like he's so good in this movie and Kier knly is so good in this movie too they just have like an effortlessness about their performances I don't know they just feel so natural yes they have good chemistry with each other they have great chemistry with each other like to the point where I'm watching this I'm like I think they're a real couple um but he does this I and I love how his thing is when like he the way they set up his character that he's like obviously he's very sick or like you know like obviously dying you never even really see the The Gunshot we just see the moment where he's like looking at his chest and clearly there's a wound there yeah I kind of like that I kind of like that they don't have the big dramatic like oh no I shot well and when we see the wound it's like it's clearly it's a shitty wound but it doesn't necessarily look like a fatal one like it looks like a pretty like surface level type wound but as you see him getting sicker and sicker it's in a pretty bad spot though it's in a pretty bad spot it's right on his chest yeah and and as we see him getting sicker and sicker you know the implication is that something bad is going to happen happen and of course we don't think about that because we see this all happen and then when she reveals that oh no he died of septicemia on the Dunkirk Beach it's like a that makes total sense yeah he looked like he was gonna die yeah I just think I just like how it's handled with I guess it's not handled with like melodrama it's like he doesn't have a scene where he's like again I'm talking about other movies as if I don't like them no slight on Saving Private Ryan but this is not a scene where you know Tom Hanks is like tell me I was a good man you yeah no he doesn't get anything like that he just he just dies in his sleep essentially yeah yeah and there's again no dramatic moment you know when Tom Hanks gets like shot and saving priv Ryan there's nothing like that it just happens and then it just [ __ ] happen same with Kier nightly Cecilia like she just it it's the horrifying shot of just the water coming down and then cutting to her just looking at it and just helpless like and then that and then that shot of her in the water just dead just yeah just floting in the water almost it's almost a beautiful shot though right because it's just so she's just kind of floating you know yeah no I know what you mean but um but yeah so then then that's that's how that's where the movie ends up going eventually so uh Jason did you uh we talked a lot about atonement so far but do you have any other um big things you want to mention you know what we did talk a lot about it but uh I think I might have a few things in bits and Bobs to uh reveal to you so we'll go to that after the break I imagine all right well on that note then we will take a break and we will be right back edge of [Music] radio for pillar Sports a podcast for sports fans made by sports fans join Chris and Randy every week as they dive deep into football basketball baseball and professional wrestling catch for pillar Sports on all major platform and remember keep on talking Sports the great Visionary leader of India mahat mandhi said it is Health that is real wealth and not pieces of gold and silver listen to The Healthy Grocer radio show on your favorite podcast platform we know that health is our greatest wealth and we will be discussing all aspects of natural healing explore everything from supplements Super Foods and healthy lifestyle choices to help conquer stress and boost productivity top industry experts and natural health professionals join us for a deep dive into our healing Journey you can find the Healthy Grocer radio show on demand every day wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts and remember health is your greatest wealth [Music] atone for your sins boy atone for your sins and how do you atone for your sins you read some bits and Bobs some bits and Bobs some bits and Bobs bits and Bobs you read some bits and Bobs to atone for your [ __ ] SS you [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] yeah bits and bobs with Jason down I like that you're on the same metal page with me today got uh right at the beginning we see a nice dollhouse diarama I thought that was cool no wonder she obviously she's a rich kid if she's got that kind of [ __ ] uh dollhouse to play with a lot of beautiful sun soaked lighting what I wanted to mention brenon that made me so excited I haven't mentioned it yet um the music in this movie is really interesting yes uh and and primary among it is the use of a typewriter as a percussion instrument I love that [Music] [Music] we have a scene where it fades in from her typing to then that becomes the percussion of the music track that's playing and it happens a couple times in the movie and it specifically happens in another good part where somebody is banging on the hood of a car in this case I believe it's um it's uh uh Robbie's mother as he's getting taken away by the police like Fang like fona banging on the hood of a car no well fonie would bang on a jack on a jukebox oh right well he know I mean sometimes he [ __ ] with cars well I suppose he probably did but no she she like grabs like a uh uh pipe and she's like banging on the front of this car screaming liar and the banging on the car like feeds into the soundtrack of the movie it's so cool it's really neat it's just a wonderful little thing they use it for a lot of scenes where Bry shows up too I think they use it also with the when the nurses show up and we see her that she and we see that she's there I'm pretty sure they use that again and I agree I love that because the typewriter that's ultimately what starts this whole thing yeah typewriter uh at one point she's she's walking outside barefoot and she's smoking a cigarette and I thought what a hippie what a hippie yeah what a hippie Jason how many movies is Benny [ __ ] gonna sneak into on this podcast I know I I feel like there's a lot more coming he's well I mean that's the thing is ultimately the guy is a great character actor oh he's wonderful in addition in addition to being great for leads too like he can do both yeah but he spent a lot of time doing character work so I think we're gonna see him a lot more times I I mean I love him I'm I'm just surprised that he showed up in this movie I wasn't expecting him and along with Benny I have to point out those bathing costumes that they're wearing are so old timey uh we have Benny sitting there with uh Leon the brother and and they're like and then of course kir nly's got like the big like the thing over hair the the swimming hat and just going back to Benedict cerbat just for a second um there's nothing more British than you know just calmly basically saying like oh that Hitler is a bit of a bload yeah yeah exactly under selling how terrible Hitler is and I also love there's a character moment because he's such a like a a a he's a gross character but I love number one his army ammo strategy uh is the name of his candy bar that he's going to sell uh for for soldiers for the ration packs a problem when a new brand comes about the remarketing the repackaging reshaping even reflavoring in some cases a whole new technology got main challenge is whether or not to launch the new ammo bar the Army ammo do you see pass the ammo my source of the ministry is very reliable used to clean his shoes to Harrow informs me we have a good chance of including into the standard issu ration pack means I'd have to open at least three more factories more if they bring in conscription which I say is B to happen if her Hitler doesn't pipe down he's about as likely to do that as by shares in Marks and Spencers wouldn't you agree this isn't very good I make a cocktail with crushed ice rum and melted dark chocolate it's absolutely scrumptious and I also love cuz something about that just read to me as like gross like just yeah because it's it were profiteering to some extent yeah but I mean also like soldiers want chocolate and also the the moment where um Lola talks about mentions that she went to see Hamlet and he confidently is like oh yes to be or not to be as if like yes I'm familiar with that nobody else would know that quote from H he just quotes the most well-known part of that play he like oh yeah I'm familiar oh you're so smart and arod Mr [Laughter] Marshall uh let's see here what else we got uh I said oh no Benny's going to [ __ ] that girl I mean that was what I wrote down and that was what happened um oh I I wrote that Robbie is writing Penthouse Letters is what it came across as yes is that the lady from secrets and lies it was was it was um oh when when she's crying there and Lola Lola's crying and Brien is talking to her and she says uh um do you want to hear something terrible and she kind of stops and goes yes please I do and that's that scene I was talking about where she said she was getting quote Chinese burns from the Twins and I said I don't know though I know I don't know yeah I don't know what a Chinese burd is I know what a what a what a quote idiot bird is yeah it sounds like it's it's a it's a term we probably shouldn't refer to it as anymore but probably not probably the same thing I'm that's why every time I said it I said quote Chinese Birds I wrote Don't Cry child when she was uh uh getting red railed by um Robbie because it's like no it's it's a beautiful thing you shouldn't cry all right um I was very disturbed by the horse executions can you explain that scene to me Jason well that was a okay so in a time of War when you are evacuating from a place like that number one you're not going to want to bring the horses with you because they're being evacuated on boats so there's not a lot of room for the horses so they can't take them with them but also they want to actively deny any resources to Germans so you see them shooting the horses and that's pretty horrifying but then later you also see them uh banging on and then eventually burning various like armored cars and stuff like they don't want to leave anything that the Germans could use in the war effort and that's kind of a standard standard thing like there was there was talk of like uh sinking the French Fleet at the end of world war or not at the end of World War II but during World War II before the Germans could seize it kind of thing like so sad though little hores I know it's sad but you can't you can't leave an alive horse for the Germans cuz then they'll use them for their Nazi purposes Brandon listen I'll just say this I I would have I I would have made the mistake of just letting them have the horses I wouldn't be able to do it I know it's yeah it's pretty [ __ ] up to think about like having to be that guy going along with his webble pistol and just plugging each one of these horses had to be done so at some point we find out Cecilia has moved out of the h family home and is living in a flat near where she's working and it's clear that she's kind of cut off contact with her family yeah and it makes sense because she doesn't think that Robbie's a rapist and they all do and that's kind of hard to reconcile I suppose um but there's a scene too that really sticks out to me where where Robbie is kind of they him and a couple other guys from his unit had gotten separated from the rest of the unit they're trying to make it back to the coast and Robbie's walking through the woods and he comes Upon A A A just like a spread of dead school girls they look like French school girls and they're all just laid out they're dead and he just has a breakdown moment cuz that what a horrifying thing to see I mean it's bad enough to see dead soldiers but to see dead Innocents well yeah exactly to see people that have are are not any part of this whole thing and not just like accidentally killed like clearly deliberately killed and laid out in a systematic way I mean that's that's [ __ ] up see I wasn't sure if that was real in that scene CU that I think that's after we see that he's got his wound right yeah thought he was hallucinating that stuff it it's absolutely possible uh because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense I mean I I don't yeah it just seemed like committing those sorts of war crimes in France but maybe they were that's what I mean it just seemed like a really like Stark image I don't know like I could see I could see the Germans doing that to the Soviets it feels like it would be less likely they would do it to the French but then again they had a lot of animosity from World War I so who knows Shana oh what we did talk about br's scene with that uh French soldier yeah that was a weird scene I I I was the intention of that scene in my mind that this guy thought he knew her yeah no she this is when she's playing along for his benefit yeah and this is when she's a nurse and uh we learned that she's being scolded for developing personal connections to these soldiers like she's telling them her first name which is a big no no yeah yeah the head nurse is like somebody called the name branie who's branie and she's like well it's me and and she's like no you're Talis there is no BR you're nurse Talis exactly and and that and we even see in that scene where she's and then you know he asks her to loosen loosen his bandages we see this terrible wound on his head yeah she opens up his bandages and something falls out of his head like yeah and we and we see it and we know right away oh he's going to die like he's on he's on death's door but um yeah no he's just going through he's just going through it man he's he's having his like death rattle cuz he's he's telling you know like oh you know we're going to get married and everything it's going to be great don't you want to marry me and she's like oh yes yes of course like she's just going with it uh going through it with him and and then eventually he dies and that's just such a moment for her of like that's an adult moment you know what I mean like yeah she's only 18 and to have to see something like that in front of her well that's the thing and you think about like the war itself like you think about all the 16 17 18 year olds that were joining up as 18 and saw all that [ __ ] and that's one thing I really liked about the hospital scenes is that there was an appropriate level of Gore it didn't feel over the top but it felt like the kind of horrible [ __ ] that these nurses would have seen and nobody nobody looked like burnt Rines no no no it but it was clear they were messed up and we have that scene too where the the the other nurse is like just crying her eyes out because it's her first time seeing this stuff because they basically this is after the evacuation and they're just getting people brought in and they're just in the worst you know the worst possible shape they were the ones that actually made it too you think about the ones that got left there right well I I got to imagine that the demand for this job is so high that there has to be people here who should who have no like should not be doing this that's one of the unfortunate things when you're in a total war situation that everybody's got to pitch in yeah whether they're adjust it or not you know I think the movie showcases that very well yeah regular people being thrown into an extraordinary situation exactly yeah okay yeah no that's pretty much all I have really we've talked about everything else she gave them happiness is the wrot last thing I wrote down okay uh anything else you need to say Brandon um well got a little bit of uh behind the scenes I think I talked a little bit about it already but um the longest part of this movie was the casting process wow so uh Joe Wright previously worked with kir knly on the 2005 uh Pride and Prejudice and he said about her and I think this is a really nice kind of of complimentary thing he said he said first of all he think he said she's an extraordinary actress which I think is true and he said she's the kind of person that's like she's like this sexy beautiful movie star who has been working steadily since she was seven but she's always been like widely underestimated as an actor like she's always been seen as like you know I think more of like a movie star than an actor and and it's really not the case if you watch her you're like oh wait no this girl's like incredibly talented yeah she she's good at what she does um and with James McAvoy this is someone that wasn't as well known at the time well when was last king of Scotland was that around this time it was the year year after this okay yeah so he wasn't super well known but um he he was uh he's just someone that he knew was talented and he wanted to put him in it and he wasn't sure that he would be able to kind of play this role but because he didn't really have a lot of you know a lot of point of reference but with Kier NY he obviously he wanted to work with her again and he said also like with with her um this is a character he says that's not always likable because there are moments with her and Bry where you're like okay like or or even earlier scenes where she's kind of playing up the upper class thing a little bit right um but he says that uh um Kier nightly is not someone who's worried about her being disliked as a character um because there's a lot of actors he said that will show up to be in his movie and they'll be saying like oh no I don't want to be disliked because the audience is not going to come and pay their box office money to see me after this they're just goingon to associate me with this character but I got to say though that's a I think that's a real fear I think that's a genuine genuine thing yeah yeah yeah but I mean to be fair I I don't know that atonement is the movie that you would expect to come out of it as like like Mark Hamill in Star Wars or something no I don't I'm not saying specifically atonement but I'm saying like you know the guy who um can't his name is escaping me but he played Freddy Krueger in The Nightmare on Elm Street remake Robert England yeah no no no no the Remake Jackie ear Haley oh Jackie ear Haley yeah Jackie ear Haley played a pedopile in a movie called uh little children I think right yeah yeah he also played BR Shack in the Watchman movies but like I don't think he's done a ton since that like like anything anything huge I feel like really gave him the the cast him as like kind of the creepy character and then he got that you know the little children and and various other of things Freddy Krueger and me Freddy Krueger's also like a horrible child murderer so yeah I think it's a real I think it's a real fear and in some roles that you can nobody remembers Brendan that he was in the bat News Bears as a child what yeah he's one of the kids in the Bad News Bears oh yeah okay for a second for a second when you said he was a child in the Bad News Bears I was like wait how old is he the 2005 remake yeah yeah yeah Jackie ear haly is only like 20 years old we lived a rough life um what I thought was really interesting Jason is that Kier knly uh has said that when she was doing this movie she watched uh two particular movies to get ready for this and that was brief encounter and in which we serve to kind of study like the naturalistic the naturalistic performance that Joe Wright said he wanted for atonement wow yeah wow I did kind of get that vibe from her a little bit though like she doesn't feel like she's you know you know when you watch a movie and someone's like acting you know like what's that movie we watched with um Albert finny and Tom Courtney oh uh wasn't oh yeah we were yeah yeah we're where Albert finny is the old actor and Tom Courtney is his uh kind of assistant I'm terrible why can't I remember things yeah I don't know what that yeah I like that movie but I you're saying the dresser absolutely yeah there's a lot of acting in that movie which is great well I think some of it's ccal with yeah you know but I mean which is great and then it totally fits that kind of movie but like um she's just underplaying it at the right tone and I think James makoy as well and I appreciate the brief encounter was a movie that she looked to to be inspired by because you can clearly tell the kind of longing is very similar to what she's going through like like that they she wants wants to be with this guy but for whatever reason socially or culturally or legally she can't and she he he also um part of the casting on James Mcavoy was that James McAvoy has these like workingclass roots in real life yeah and he kind of scotman yeah when he kind of incorporates that into his into his performance it's very easy to draw on that yeah um I'll tell you that Abby Cornish almost played the role of 18-year-old Bry but had to back out because she was filming another movie we talked about before Elizabeth the Golden Age feel like she might have might have wanted to go with this one yeah I think she made a poor choice in that situation unfortunately um but I mean I think that's pretty much all I have for that but I will tell you that this movie goes to the Oscars Jason it does it does it it is nominated for seven Oscars but it wins one he try to tell me the one Oscar it wins best adapted screenplay no sir it wins best actually I 100% agree with this cuz we talked about this it wins best original score oh yes yes absolutely good good call that sc% it is nominated for best costume design which goes to funny enough Elizabeth the Golden Age um best cinematography which goes to There Will Be Blood that's tough year best but that that six minute shot though uh best art Direction which goes to Sweeney Todd um best a good looking movie best adapted screenplay which goes to No Country for Old Men mhm sha Ronin is nominated for best supporting actress and it goes to Tilda Swinton for Michael Clayton okay and best picture but of course No Country for Old Men won that year yeah but at the baftas brace yourself a lot of nominations is nominated for best director which goes to the cohens for No Country Role men James McAvoy best lead actor Daniel de Lewis for There Will Be Blood wins yeah Kiera knly is nominated for lead actress uh but the winner is Marian coard for Lev Al of course you're our favorite um C shonin again loses to Tilla Swinton from Michael Clayton adapted screenplay goes to the diving bell on the butterfly cinematography and uh cinematography goes again to No Country for all men best costume design for Levon Rose best editing goes to the born ultimatum best makeup and hair goes to Levan Rose best original music leevan Rose best sound the B born ultimatum best best British film it's nominated for but it goes to a movie We're eventually going to talk called This Is England and it wins two Awards but a big one it wins best production design and best overall film so wi's best film yeah wow that's amazing uh this movie has an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes uh it says atonement features strong performances brilliant cinematography and a unique score featuring de performances by Deft not deaf um de performances from James makoy and Kier nightly it's a successful adaptation of I Ian mcan's novel and that's and that's another [ __ ] up thing this novel was written by a dude it was like it's like a meta novel that where it's about this woman that writes a novel crazy right but it's crazy how it worked out because a lot of times I'd be like H what do you know kind of thing that's proof that only men uh should be in Creative Arts right brenon only dudes should write ladies stories I said it once and I said it a million times we could say what they need to say um again I love how this is worded where I found it but the americ Amer critic Roger eert gave it a fourstar review um and Richard roer gave it a thumbs up said is Kier knly one of her best performances atonement has but but Richard roer kind of went went back a little bit and said atonement has hints of greatness but it falls just short of Oscar contention um but the movie did receive near unanimous praise when it was released uh critics who have seen atonement have reacted with breathless superlatives and its showing at Venice and its subsequent subsequent release will almost certainly catapult Joe Wright into the ranks of world-class film directors that's from The Daily Telegraph now Bron what what has Joe Wright done since 20 07 uh look it up and get ready and then let me know uh there were some dissenting reviews though um the Atlantic said that cure nly's performance was Strong James makoy was likable and magnetic but said atonement is a film out of balance Nimble enough in its first half but oddly scattered and ungainly once it leaves leaves the grounds of the Talis estate uh and remains a workmanlike yet vaguely disappointing adaptation of a masterful novel and our favorite your yours yours and my favorite critic Rex Reed said it's his favorite film of the Year everything a true lover of literature and movies could possibly hope for and saying James makoy is the film star in an honest heartrender heart-rending performance of strength and integrity that overcomes the Romantic slush it might have been damn you know right directed Sereno oh the new one yeah Peter Dinklage yeah yeah cool so he does a lot of movies like that then I guess yeah well interesting interesting thing we'll see this movie cost $30 million to make which when I first saw the budget I was like that seems pretty high and then when I saw the war scenes I was like okay that makes sense I mean for a movie of this type 30 million seems pretty pretty reasonable now what do you think it made Jason uh costume drama I'm gonna I'm going to be generous and say it made $65 million $131 million wow wow over double what I estimated that's crazy yeah so there you go um so a big big big hit but we have talked about this movie at length we had a lot to say there was a lot to talk about with atonement but I want you to tell me Jason what I mean I mean I think we know what we both thought of it but tell us what you thought of it anyway and let us know listwise where it stands well I'm tell you br we've had a good run and I'm sure we sound like broken records because we've watched a lot of good [ __ ] movies but this is another good [ __ ] movie I really enjoyed this and and I've said before that a lot of these costume dramas that we watch are so long and slow and there's stuff that you really liking them but ultimately it's like ah is this a movie that I'd really recommend I don't know but but this one is great and if you were going to watch kind of an era movie like this I would recommend it it's it's good a good Pace it's got great performances uh it's got a cool story uh it's really interesting I mean it's it's it's a great movie all around and I was really surprised how much I liked it um because I like I say we've had a you know spotted track record with these types of movies and yeah it's it's it's a great film and and K nightly is wonderful and I'm so happy to see her what about you Brennon what do you think oh I still waiting for your verdict oh verdict if you want a verdict could this be on the list should this be on the list I'd say yes I think that this could sub out for another costume drama on the list and and um I mean honestly like I I I know every movie we've talked about so far I've said this but you could knock the English paent off and put this in and you wouldn't have an issue this this one would actually be more thematically similar and you would want to put that in that slot or even something and it would be funny to do it because the director's in this movie yeah yeah you could I mean you could almost say the same thing for the goet right I think yeah exactly like there's another one you could probably if you wanted to slot that in and feel thematically like it was similar you could do that I mean let's just make sure Julie Christie is on the this BFI list somewhere oh yeah no no there's I mean I think there's something that's staying yeah yeah yeah yeah but no um well me I agree I also really like this movie and I think as soon as I watched it I I messaged you and I said Jason I think you're really GNA like this movie yeah you were right yeah because I it's it's it's not like like you said it's different from the costume dramas we watched so far it has more of a forward momentum it has I mean I mean they all have good performances but it has good performances and it has uh just a really strong story and a great hook like I was just into it the whole time like I was I was waiting to see what happened um and then of course was devastated but that them them's the ropes it's it's like again I have less notes than this than some other movies and that's usually a good sign that I'm really into the movie yeah yeah no I AG I agree I really like this movie too uh and yes I would say yes 100% I would put it on the list because there are so many in my head right now that I could put could possibly replace it with um even like far from the Madden crowd like I could put this on there instead you know again that's another Julie Christie movie I am not taking her completely off the list folks don't worry we don't want Julie chrisy to be left out in the cold listen don't look now is still on there yeah jaago is hanging in there for the time being for the time being jaago might be all right but I I yeah but I think don't look now is safe so don't worry she's on there as far as I'm concerned anyway yeah um but there you go that's atonement so at this point Jason I'm going to announce right now that we are not spinning the wheel because no we are going to take a bit of a break we're going to do a Brit pick next week and then the week after that we are going to do a kanuck puck yes you folks can't wait I know I can I can see it in your eyes right now because I can see you through your iPod or iPhone or Android I is right in the title Windows phone yeah exactly I can I'm looking at you right now and I know you're excited Jason has access to Elon musk's Twitter account so he can see you all that's right absolutely Elon and me we're big friends we uh we grew up in the apartheid era together oh Jesus yeah you hung out talking about how how great of a time it was oh it was wonderful it was wonderful for for if you were a certain color so next week this by the way I'm gonna say right now this was not planned it's crazy how this happened because we got this movie randomly on the wheel but next week we are talk about another Joe Wright movie Jason who have th it it's so crazy how this happened I swear to you it was not planned but we are going to talk about um Joe Wright's movie prior to this which we referenced a couple times we're going to talk about the 2005 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice yes um directed by Joe Wright starring Kier nightly and uh a couple others I think from this movie that also show up in that one so now of course we already watched Sense and Sensibility from the Jane Austin Cannon so now we got to definitely do Pride and Prejudice oh and now you know what I mean I really like Sense and Sensibility I think that was one of my f favorite was a good movie period pieces from the list but you know we got another one coming up here so we'll see there might be a little bit of a battle here we'll find out so that's what we're going to do and uh you know might be might be a surprise uh showing up there might be a special guest of sorts that might actually be alive instead of dead ladies and gentlemen Kira nightly no I wish I wish I tried to get her but she wasn't down with it she said I couldn't afford her and I was really sad she said I'm too alive I'm too alive I can't be on your podcast guys because that would mean I was dead and I'm not stupid exact she's not she's not stupid not yet she's not she's very smart yeah so so far so next week uh we're GNA talk about Pride and Prejudice 2005 so check that out and then next week we'll reveal what Jason's Canadian movie is for the Following episode I bet you can't wait I know I can't I'm ex I'm I know what it is and I'm excited for it yes um so until then Jason they can find us on social media they can find us on Facebook by searching for for screen and they can find us on all podcast apps uh our home base of course is uh you go to age of radio.org forre and Country but you can find us on any other podcast app by just searching for for screen and G and you can find us on Twitter at f fsac pod that's for screen and Country podcast Jason where can they find you Jason D McLoud that is m e o d come on over because Twitter is the only Social Network I actively used do I have Facebook yes do I use it for anything no not really other than keeping track of extended family and people I went to high school with oh was that the end of your sentence thought that's all I got you were still going you ended on a bit of a a dangling Cliff there that's for you Brandon that's for you to fill in the Gap it sounds like a cliff here oh well I told you you can't be in here wrapping up the podcast okay well I'll just wait outside Jimmy you want to go beat up that's right you want to go beat up some Germans and some Russians no no no no no we going to do that sort of stuff slot you just go away outside we'll get someone to work the balls okay be right back jimm don't worry we won't neglect your shaft either wow oh okay um on that horrifying note and that image that will haunt my dreams forever yes that is all for this week join us for Pride and Prejudice 2005 next week but until then I just got to say to you Jason God saved the queen God saved the screen and for screen and Country I'm Brendan and I'm Jason atone Cent $200,000 next week [Music] [Applause] there'll be blue but over the White Cliffs of do [Music] tomorrow just you wait and [Music] see there'll be love and laughter and peace Ever After [Music] Tomorrow When The World Is free the shepherd will tend his sheep the valley will bloom again and Jimmy will go to sleep in his own little room again there'll be blue bir [Music] over the one White Cliffs of do