it's Jim White Simon Jordan and Martin Keon we are live in talk sport we're talking Lee Carley we're talking England before it goes out my mind Simon Graham good morning to you down in climping in West Sussex I was down there the weekend Beno good morning to you big fans of Mr Jordan and they're asking for you kindly Simon asking for you kindly greme and Beno good to meet you guys um what is going on with England and Lee carsley he's got the job on an interim basis should he get it fulltime I know it's early one down they beat the the Republic of Ireland next up Finland should win that then what Mike in Newcastle why do England persist in giving the national team manager job to people who wouldn't even be considered for a premier league job once you strip it back surely that needs to be the question Jim does it not all right m i put it out there anyone who gets England would should they in the same breath be able Simon to manage a top Premier League club that's not a bad question by mate well I think it's a I think it's a slightly myopic question because you've got a completely different skill set required for managing an international side than you do for having a domestic side um and so it's interesting that Carley wants to talk about being a coach rather than a manager I think that traditionally you've seen managers take over International sides when their domestic careers are going slightly to a more sedate level and they're looking for a different Challenge and they don't want to have the cut and thrust of a day-to-day rigor of running a a domestic football club all the pressures that go with it so I think it's probably unwise to just compare unilaterally the situation between what a domestic manager looks like a as a success because Capello Capello was a domestic success and ironically for England he has the best win record of being the England manager but he's universally uh judged as being a you know an ultimate unsuccess as the England manager isn't he yes absolutely the biggest win record yeah yeah um so many calls don't know where to start but it's great this is what this show is about Nick big Chelsea fan good morning to you you down in Devon ni anyway apart from that you sold on Lee Carley Dan Deon just come back from Turkey so freezing to death at the moment good morning mate good morning yeah uh give the guy a chance give him a few games see how he gets on I mean G Southgate for me took us to a certain level um he he was a a proven non-winner um I didn't like the style of football he played it B me to death so I would I'd like us to win things I'd like us to win things well maybe Lee Cary is the guy um I like people like Eddie how but give this guy a chance give him a few games let's see how he progresses and see if things change see if we can actually make the changes at the right time in games in the pressure games let's see if he can make the right substitutions let's see if he's prepared to drop Harry Kane when he's having to you know completely drop him from the game maybe stick him on the bench and put people like Cole Palmer when he's fit and Ole Watkins and and do all the things that most of us agreed should have happened during the last tournament which we should have won so yeah get the but you can't judge him after one game no you're cautiously optimistic though I like that Nick thank you for that Gary's an Arsenal fan Gary good morning here's Aral Invincible Martin Martin Keon is waiting to take your call good morning good morning nice uh talk to Martin morning Legend um really are we going down the same road I mean South Gate took us up to another level than what we was but generally when we go through the fixtures yet again we would champions of the uh qualifiers we were champions of the groups but then we didn't come across anybody half decent we didn't we didn't cut cut it yeah and yeah no disrespect he's not he wasn't a winner uh he's not proed he a winner and now aren't we going there in the same round so even this early you got your doubts Gary to be fair I've got me D because when you look at other people the Fergusons of the world the George Grahams yeah fers they're all winners that's why they get jobs their phones ring the minute they're out of a job yeah here's here's Martin Gary on that what do you think well I mean the thing is he internally if you look at him sort of in the England situation he has won recently the Euros for the under 21s and he's delivered that was the plan that was the what they built towards sure so from the point of view of um Mark Bellingham the you know he's in charge at the fa he'd be looking well okay let's put him into the main job let's see how he can do and I do believe he needs to be given an opportunity at at this Junction you know very quickly obviously he's under pressure but I didn't see anything really wrong with performance against the Republic I showed that there's there's signs that he could take this job on um of course we know we're not playing against Great opposition Gary are we but but we can only judge him on what we're seeing right now on your go Gary exactly but even when we played in this last tournament we will never have a great chance to be load and over these again and we went through a tournament the best draw we could ever had it was the greatest chance but we didn't take that chance and when you look at it I think we're gonna go down the same road with carsley Okay g listen thanks for that what does Phil the Chelsea fan think are you solding carsley this early Phil I think it's too early to make by the way good morning Jim you good morning Phil to make that decision I one criticism it's the same casate yeah substitution when Ireland had their best moment he failed to react to far too late that's one of my might be doing the same got you pH we're losing the line somewhat but Martin did you get what he's saying when heed when he needed to act he didn't act or react yeah I mean for me Jim watching the England team in the summer the the biggest thing for us was about controlling Midfield and how we found solutions to get get players on the ball as complex as that is time will tell when we're playing against a really good opponents you know it's a plus one situation in Midfield and at times we couldn't get G Gare couldn't do that couldn't develop that play well enough to get the ball then into the really good players that we have in the final third I thought a simple solution worked very well against Republic of Ireland create more Pace on the left hand side and give that space then to greish to come into that little pocket of space and play off the front are we getting the best from our captain I'm looking at Ronaldo last night playing for Portugal nearly 40 years of age and he's he's loved and he's put on a pedestal and we already want to get rid of Harry Kane even though he's on 100 games now coming up to and he's got you know copious amounts of goals I think we should be hanging on to those players we shouldn't be dismissing them he's going to need to work with all these players and get the best from them but from a tactical point of view find a way for us to get on the ball in Midfield and develop the play we see it often enough in the Prem league but they didn't play Ronaldo during the Euros he was on the bench a lot of the time and he was on the bench last night now he started he started every game I don't think he did where were you then on your boat no I wasn't actually I don't think he start no no don't comment on that then I don't think he start I don't think he started think he start last night my recollection started their first game of the two I'm going back to the Euros what you're doing is you're saying that Harry Kane should be Beyond reproach and that because Ronaldo who by the way by the way let me finish I listen to you um is not Harry Kane is not in the same zip code AS Ronaldo so doing a comparison between those two is relatively ridiculous and up until recently Ronaldo is an inter National footballer has been impactive in pretty much every game he played in now Harry Kane hasn't been recently so I think it's a fair assessment to say that he shouldn't be Beyond reproach and I'm pretty sure that Ronaldo wasn't in the starting lineup or as regularly featured as he once was before during the Euros so there is a comparison between the two what you're saying is English fans pack it in you've got to hear yeah absolutely right but we do live in the world in the here and now and footballers have to deliver on every occasion and they get a B ccy in the bank and so Ronaldo is's a different animal to compar he has dropped out the automatic selection process it's interesting your recollection of the EUR are different to mine you for me he started every match and he never scored a single goal in the competition CU I'm Scottish we're comparing because we want to write off Harry Kane but Portugal are quite happy hold to their probably you taking it to the extreme what we want to be what we want to judge Harry Kane by is the same standard as every other footballer which is you're in that team on merits you want things in life in merits so Harry Kane must be on Merit we need yes of course but we need does boys I'm just going to jump in with lisis alester fan it doesn't matter what we think if carsley is an easy talking nice guy is going to get the job because that's what the fa want we'll see Jim White and Simon Jordan Monday to Friday mornings from 10: on a.m On Da via the talk sport app and on your smart speaker talk sport