>>> >>> JAMES CARVILLE HAS A NEW PIECE OFFERING VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ADVICE ON HOW TO DEFEAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE SAYS, 2024 WILL BE ONE BY WHO IS FRESH INTO HIS ROTTEN. THE SHEPHERD UP TOMORROW WINS THE SHEEP. HE SUGGESTING THAT HARRIS FOCUSES ON HER NEW WAY OR, REPUBLICANS, LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS STAY AWAY FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS AND FOCUS ON HIS RECORD. I GUESS TRUMP NEVER SPEAKS TO HIM. JOINING US TO DISCUSS IS THE FORMER LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND MARK McKINNON IS HERE. FORMER ADVISOR TO GEORGE W. BUSH AND JOHN McCAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF JAMES CARVILLE'S ADVICE? AND WHAT HE THINK ABOUT WHAT INSTAGRAM IS SAYING? >> I DID MY FIRST CAMPAIGN WITH JAMES CARVILLE FOUR YEARS AGO AND I'VE LEARNED MORE FROM HIM THAN ANYONE ELSE I'VE WORKED WITH IN POLITICS. AT 80 YEARS OLD HE'S REALLY GOOD. YOU CAN STILL BE A GOOD CONSULTANT. WHAT IS REALLY SMART IS AND HAS BEEN A MISTAKE FOR DEMOCRATS TO CONSTANTLY TALK ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS TRUMP IS. IT MAKES HIM BIGGER. WOULD JAMES IS SAYING IS LAUGH AT HIM AND IT DIMINISHES HIM. MAKE HIM WEIRD. THAT THING IS REALLY WORKING. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT IDEA. AND HE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE CHALLENGE FOR HARRIS IS SHE'S IN THE POSITION OF SAYING, IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE, STAY THE COURSE. BUT I THINK SHE'S DONE AN ARTFUL JOB SEPARATING HERSELF FROM JOE BIDEN RESPECTFULLY AND COMING OUT WITH NEW POLICIES AND TORCHING HER OWN WAY AND IT'S THE FREEDOM AGENDA AND IT SEPARATES HER AND THAT'S REALLY SMART. >> WHAT YOU THINK? >> I THINK HE'S ABSOLUTE RIGHT. TRUMP HAS BEEN GETTING EMBARRASSED OVER AND OVER AGAIN SINCE KAMALA HARRIS BECAME THE NOMINEE BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THEM AND HIS JABS AT JOE BIDEN DO NOT WORK WITH KAMALA HARRIS, AND HE'S HAVING A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LINES HE CAN AND CANNOT CROSS. IT SEEMS THAT PEOPLE LIKE LINDSEY GRAHAM ARE CAUTIONING HIM TO STAY AWAY FROM THEM. A LOT OF FOLKS ARE WAITING TO SEE THE DEBATE AND SEE HOW FAR HE WILL TAKE IT. BUT AS HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED, THE FARTHER HE GOES, THE FARTHER PEOPLE GO AWAY FROM HIM AND EMBRACE KAMALA HARRIS BECAUSE OF THE FRESHNESS THAT JAMES CARVILLE TALKED ABOUT WHO IS FRESH INTO HIS STALE AND WHO PEOPLE WANT TO GO WITH HER NEW DIRECTION FOR THIS COUNTRY AND WHO THEY KNOW WILL TAKE THEM BACKWARDS. >> WE GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID THAT SHE'S COMING OUT WITH NEW POLICIES AND PRESENTING THEM ALMOST EVERY DAY. IS IT A GOOD IDEA? DONALD TRUMP HASN'T SHOWN ANY POLICIES.>> SHE NEEDS TO SO TO SHOW SEPARATION AND BIDEN AND SHE HAS TO BE THE CHANGE CANDIDATE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BLAME HER FOR BIDEN POLICIES THAT SHE WAS PART OF AS VICE PRESIDENT, SO SHE NEEDS TO FORTUNE PATH AND SAY, I WORKED FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN AND I'M PROUD OF THE POLICIES WE PUT IN PLACE, THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW SHE HAS HER OWN IDEAS AND SHE WASN'T JUST SECOND TO HIM AND SHE HAS HER OWN IDEAS. NUTS WITH THE REPUBLICANS WILL TRY TO DO.>> TRUMP HAS NOT HAD ANY SINCE HE BEGAN THIS WHOLE THING. TO HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND THE DNC ARE ABOUT TO SPEND AN UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF MONEY ON DOWN-BALLOT RACES. LIKE $25 MILLION. AND YOU ARE HEARING REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE STARTING TO PANIC ABOUT THE SPENDING GAP. DO DEMOCRATS REALLY HAVE A SHOT?>> THE GUY WHO SPENT ABOUT $100 MILLION IN 2004, I SAID I THINK WE ARE WASTING MONEY. I THINK IT IS SMART TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT DOWN-BALLOT RACES AND THAT'S WHAT THE REAL DIFFERENCE WILL BE IS VOTER REGISTRATION AND NEW VOTERS. AND THE DIFFERENCE BEING REPORTED IS THE DEMOCRATS ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO DO IT AND TRUMP HAS VOLUNTEERS, AND I THINK THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE END. >> WHAT YOU HEAR FROM PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN? DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE A SHOT AT TAKING THE HOUSE IN THE SENATE? I CERTAINLY DO, BUT THERE IS THIS THING ABOUT REVERSE COATTAILS. MONEY GOING TO DOWN-BALLOT RACES AND THINK ABOUT HOW MANY FOLKS NOT JUST IN CONGRESSIONAL RACES BUT STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES WHO ARE SO AMAZING AT MESSAGING BUT DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET THEIR MESSAGES OUT THERE. SO IF WE CAN PROP THEM UP AND ACTIVATE THOSE VOLUNTEER BASES AND THE STAFF THAT THEY HAVE BUT ALSO ABLE TO CARRY WATER FOR THE ENTIRE PARTY, IT WILL DO IS A GREAT DEAL AND HELP KAMALA HARRIS. I JUST LEFT A GROUP OF YOUNG FOLKS IN MADISON , WISCONSIN, EARLIER TODAY, AND IT WAS A CROWD OF ABOUT 60 YOUNG PEOPLE. AND THESE WERE FOLKS JUST COMING TO CAMPUS. THIS IS THEIR FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS ON CAMPUS, AND THEY ARE SHOWING UP TO GET ACTIVATED. THESE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE KEEN ON KEEPING THAT TITLE IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL RACE. >> THERE REGISTERING TO VOTE. THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT KIND OF COLLEGE STUDENTS THEN I WENT TO.>> WE DID A SENATE RACE IN 1984 AND