WATCH: Biden, Trump 2024 First Presidential Debate, Hosted by CNN

WE ARE JOINING YOU LIVE FROM ATLANTA FOR A HISTORIC NIGHT OF POLITICS. THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF THE 2024 ELECTION. JUST BEHIND ME, THE DEBATE HALL. A CURRENT PRESIDENT SET TO GO HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT, SOMETHING THIS COUNTRY HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE.>>> TONIGHT NBC NEWS SPECIAL COVERAGE, THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. PRESIDENT BIDEN VERSUS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE MOST IMPORTANT NIGHT OF THE ELECTION YET. A PRESIDENT MAKING HIS CASE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS. A FORMER PRESIDENT BATTLING TO GET BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE. >> MENTALLY INCOMPETENT. >> TONIGHT THEY GO FACE-TO-FACE SO VOTERS CAN DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHO CAN BEST HANDLE THE ECONOMY. >> INFLATION IS COMING DOWN. >> INFLATION. -- IMMIGRATION. AND A WORLD AT WAR. THE COUNTDOWN HAS BEGUN TO THE REMATCH FOUR YEARS IN THE MAKING. REPORTING TONIGHT LIVE FROM THE SPIN ZONE AT THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN ATLANTA, TOM LLAMAS. >>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT ON THIS HISTORIC NIGHT. IT COULD CHANGE THE ELECTION. IN JUST TWO HOURS PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL FACE OFF FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE. THE SPIN ROOM IS JUST BEHIND ME RIGHT HERE FILLED WITH INSIDERS FOR BOTH CAMPAIGNS READY TO WATCH THIS REMATCH LIVES. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TOUCHING DOWN IN ATLANTA LATE TODAY. EARLIER TODAY, PRESIDENT BIDEN SHAKING HANDS WITH REPORTERS ON THE STREETS OF DOWNTOWN ATLANTA. TONIGHT BOTH CANDIDATES WILL HAVE A TOTAL OF 90 MINUTES TO GET -- TO MAKE THEIR CASE. FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1988 THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES DO NOT ORGANIZE THIS. THE CANDIDATES CHOSE TO DO IT THEIR WAY. THIS IS HOSTED BY CNN. THERE WILL BE NO AUDIENCE. JUST THE TWO MODERATORS AND TWO CANDIDATES. NO PROPS OR PREWRITTEN NOTES ALLOWED. THERE WILL BE TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS, WHICH IS SOMETHING AMERICA HAS NOT SEEN IN DECADES. AND THE CANDIDATES WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH STAFF DURING THAT TIME. THEY GET TWO MINUTES FOR EACH ANSWER AND A ONE MINUTE REBUTTAL. ONCE THEIR TIME IS UP, THEY WILL BE MUTED. GREED TELLS THE CANDIDATES THE MICROPHONE IS ON. WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT IS OFF, SO IS THE MICROPHONE. HERE'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR EVERYONE ELSE. THE CANDIDATE ON THE LEFT IS SPEAKING AND HIS GREEN LIGHT IS ON. VIEWERS CAN HEAR WHAT HE IS SAYING. HOWEVER, THE CANDIDATE ON THE RIGHT IS ALSO SPEAKING, BUT SINCE THE MIC IS OFF, VIEWERS WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR THEM AT ALL. AT LEAST THAT IS THE PLAN. THE QUESTION IS IF THEY WILL BE CUT OFF MIDSENTENCE. CNN SAYING THEY WILL MOSTLY NOT FACT CHECK IN REAL TIME. HOW WILL THAT WORK? WE WILL BREAK IT ALL DOWN TONIGHT. PRESIDENT BIDEN WON THE QUEEN TOES -- COIN TOSS AND THEY CHOSE THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STAGE. THIS MEANS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL GET THE LAST WORD. SAYS TRUMP DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE PARTY PRIMARY DEBATES, THIS IS THE FIRST MATCHUP FOR BOTH OF THEM SINCE THEY DEBATED EACH OTHER IN 2020. A LOT HAS CHANGED IN FOUR YEARS. THE CANDIDATES COULD GET TOUGH QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW THEY ARE COMING. THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, THE WARS IN GAZA AND UKRAINE, AND ABORTION. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE SINCE THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE. WHO WILL VOTERS THINK IS THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB? IN A ROUNDUP OF NATIONAL OLLS, TWO SHOW TRUMP WITH A SLIGHT LEAD AND ONE SHOWS BIDEN IN THE LEAD. THE STAKES CANNOT BE HIGHER. 60% OF REGISTERED VOTERS SAY THEY'RE OPEN TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE BASED ON TONIGHT PERFORMANCE. ANOTHER TOPIC THAT COULD TAKE CENTER STAGE, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CRIMINAL CONVICTION. THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE POSTING A SNEAK PEEK AROUND ATLANTA REFERRING TO TRUMP AS A CONVICTED FELON. WILL PRESIDENT BIDEN USE THAT PHRASE TONIGHT? WILL MR. TRUMP BRING UP THE CONVICTION OF HUNTER BIDEN? THERE ARE ALSO MANY VOTERS WHO DON'T LIKE EITHER CANDIDATES. WE WILL HEAR FROM THEM TONIGHT. AGE IS A MAJOR FACTOR. PRESIDENT BIDEN 88, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP 77. WE ARE SPEAKING TO VOTERS. WE WILL BE JOINED THROUGH OUT THE HOURS. AND OF COURSE, THE POLITICAL POWERHOUSES. WE WANT TO START WITH HALLIE JACKSON HERE IN THE SPIN SO. HAPPY DEBATE DAY TO YOU. >> YOU TOO. >> YOU OKAY? >> A LITTLE WOBBLY. >> ALMOST BREAKING NEWS. LET'S START WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN. YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN. WHAT IS HIS STRATEGY? >> I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT IN A COUPLE OF BUCKETS. LET ME START WITH POLICY. THE ISSUE OF ABORTION ACCESS TAKING ON NEW RELEVANCE AFTER THE CRITICAL SUPREME COURT RULING THAT CAME OUT THIS MORNING. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN BELIEVES THEY SEE WEAKNESS IN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POSITION . THEY THINK THEY CAN MOBILIZE VOTERS. I'M INTERESTED TO SEE HOW PRESIDENT BIDEN GOES AFTER THE FORMER PRESIDENT ON THIS. THEY HAVE A NEW DEBATE ADD OUT. SECOND THING, THIS IDEA FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING A CONVICTED CRIMINAL. YOU HAVE SEEN THE TONE ON THIS. AND ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT TOLD ME NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT HE BELIEVES IF THE SHOE FITS, THE FORMER PRESIDENT AFTER WORK. PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE AFRAID TO CALL THAT A. IT IS INTERESTING GIVEN THE TIMING, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THE SENTENCING A PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL IN MANHATTAN. THE THIRD THING IS THAT VOTERS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. THAT IS WHAT THE POLLING SHOWS. THOSE CLOSE TO THE IDEA HAD THIS IDEA. THE STATE OF THE UNION, HE WAS WIDELY PRAISED FOR SHOWING STRENGTH AND VIGOR. THAT IS THE KIND OF PERFORMANCE IS ALLIES HOPE TO SEE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TONIGHT. >> TALK TO ME ALSO ABOUT THE TEAM HELPING BIDEN GETTING READY FOR THE BIG. >> HE ACTUALLY CAME HERE EARLIER TODAY. YOU SHOWED HIM SHAKING HANDS WITH FOLKS WHEN HE ARRIVES. HIS FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF OCCUR CHIEF OF STAFF ARE OF ALL. IF WE WERE GETTING READY FOR A TO BE, WHO WOULD YOU WANT WITH US? [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] YOU WANT YOUR PEOPLE. YOU WANT PEOPLE CLOSE TO YOU. THAT IS WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS BEEN FULL LASER MOCK DEBATES. >> AND WITH TRUMP THEY'RE LITERALLY DOING THE WHOLE THING. >> YEAH. THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR DEBATE PREP. WHAT IS UNUSUAL IS WAY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS HANDLED THIS, SUGGESTING IS NOT PREPPING. >> HOW HAS PRESIDENT BIDEN SPENT THE LAST FEW DAYS? >> HE HAS BEEN THERE. THE INTERESTING THING TOO IS WHERE THEY GO FROM HERE. HE HAS BEEN PREPPING IN A MORE TRADITIONAL WAY. GUESS WHERE HE WILL BE TONIGHT AT 2:00 I AM? NORTH CAROLINA. THE IDEA BEING TO CARRY WHATEVER MOMENTUM YOU GET FROM DEBATE NIGHT ON TO -- >> THERE IS MOMENTUM ON THIS CHAIR. [ LAUGHTER ] I WANT TO HOLD ONTO THIS. VAUGHN HILLYARD, I WANT TO BRING YOU IN HERE. WE ACTUALLY ALL MET IN 2016. I REMEMBER BACK THEN MR. TRUMP HAD THE SAME LINE. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] THE BIG LINE ABOUT THE DEBATE. HE SAID HE HAS BEEN PREPARING HIS WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS. WHAT POINTS DOES WANT TO HIT TONIGHT? >> IN 2016 AND 2020 THEY DID IT IN THE MORE TRADITIONAL WAY. THEY SAY THIS VERSION IS MAR-A LAGO. HE HAS JUST KIND OF -- THE BIG ISSUES FOR HIM THAT IS DIFFERENT FOR FOUR YEARS AGO IS A AT TIME JOE BIDEN HAD A REFERENDUM OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THIS TIME IT IS TRUMP'S TO RUN ON THE REFERENDUM ON THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE FOCUS FROM DONALD TRUMP ON INFLATION . AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE SEEN HIGHER PRICES. YOU ALSO HAVE DONALD TRUMP MAKING THE CASE THAT THERE WAS, AND NO., RUSSIAN AGGRESSION AGAINST UKRAINE AND THAT HAMAS DID NOT ATTACK HIS ROMANTIC DONALD TRUMP WOULD MAKE THE POINT THAT THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF YOU WERE PRESENT FOR THE SECOND. AND ILLEGAL CROSSINGS. THERE IS A REALITY A PLAY THAT UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THERE BEEN A RECORD NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN COMING ACROSS THE BORDER. DONALD TRUMP HELPED TORPEDO A BORDER SECURITY PIECE OF LEGISLATION EARLIER THIS YEAR. AT THE SAME TIME, HE IS GOING TO TRY TO MOVE PAST HIS OWN ISSUES. >> AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS A VERY AGGRESSIVE AD RIGHT NOW ON IMMIGRATION. TALK ABOUT THE TRUMP DEBATE TEAM. WHO IS WHISPERING IN HIS EAR AND IS HE LISTENING? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. HAS SEVERAL CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISORS WHO HAVE BEEN WITH HIM. IS ALSO GOT SOME OTHER ALLIES, WHO CAMPAIGN ADVISORS TELL US, HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH HIM ABOUT POLICY DISCUSSIONS. YOU HAVE OHIO SENATOR JB EVEN -- J.D. VANCE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY. SOME THE MARCO RUBIO. HE ALSO HAS THE LIKES OF HIS ONE-TIME DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE TALKING WITH HIM ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY. YOU ALSO HAVE STEPHEN MILLER, LONG-TIME ADVISOR TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION. FOR DONALD TRUMP, THE WAY THEY ARE PRESENTING THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS FORMAL AND MORE OF A CONVERSATION. >> WHAT HAS THE FORMER PRESIDENT BEEN DOING IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS? HE HAVE THIS ROUTINE TO BUILD UP TO THIS EVENT, NOT EXACTLY PREPARING LIKE PRESIDENT BIDEN, BUT DOING HIS OWN THING. >> THE CAMPAIGN SAYS HE IS ALWAYS CAMPAIGNING. HE IS ALWAYS ENGAGED IN CONVERSATIONS. HE WAS IN PHILADELPHIA ON SATURDAY FOR A RALLY. HE WAS IN D.C. THE DAY BEFORE THAT FOR THE FREEDOM COALITION, A GROUP LED BY A LONG-TIME EVANGELICAL LEADER WHO I JUST SAW HERE A FEW MOMENTS AGO. FOR HIM, HE IS BEEN ACTIVE. HE HAS BEEN IN MAR-A-LAGO. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. HALLIE, THANK YOU FOR SURVIVING. A CRAZY MOMENT. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL HEAR FROM YOU A LOT IN THE NEXT TWO HOURS. >>> RIGHT NOW I WANT TO BRING IN MEET THE PRESS MODERATOR KRISTEN WELKER. SO GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK. WELCOME BACK. I DO WANT TO START WITH THAT IMAGE. THE BILLBOARDS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE HAS PURCHASED HERE IN ATLANTA. THE DNC DISPLAYING THEM AROUND ATLANTA SAYING, DONALD, WELCOME TO ATLANTA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE BECOMING A CONVICTED FELON. CONGRATS OR WHATEVER. TALK TO ME ABOUT THE GAME THE DEMOCRATS ARE PLAYING HERE. THEY SEEM TO HAVE STRUCK FIRST TO GET UNDER THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S SKIN. >> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE IS A HUGE SHIFT, NOT JUST FOR DEMOCRATS, BUT FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN. IT BASICALLY SIGNALS WHAT WE WILL SEE TONIGHT ON THE DEBATE STAGE. HALLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE TOP ADVISOR WAS ASKING IF WE WILL HEAR THAT PHRASE, CONVICTED FELON, COME OUT OF THE MOUTH OF PRESIDENT BIDEN. WE KNOW HE HAS SAID THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. HE HAS STARTED TO USE THAT TERM. WHY IS IT A SIGNIFICANT SHIFT? BECAUSE BEFORE THE 34 FELONY CONVICTIONS, PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS VERY CAREFUL NOT TO DELVE INTO DONALD TRUMP AND HIS LEGAL TROUBLES. NOW, CLEARLY, HE AND DEMOCRATS SEE AN OPENING. ARE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON THIS MOMENT. JUST ZOOMING OUT A LITTLE BIT AS WE TALK TO TOP ADVISORS, THEY SAY IT IS BIGGER AND BROADER THAN THIS IDEA OF BEING A CONVICTED FELON. WE WILL BE LISTENING CLOSELY TO HEAR THE WORDS. BUT I CAN BET HE IS GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS BROADER CASE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT FIT TO SERVE. THE FACT THAT HE IS NOW A CONVICTED FELON IS THE NARRATIVE. I BEEN TALKING TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AS WELL. THEY ARE READY FOR THESE ATTACKS. THEY'RE READY TO RETURN FIRE, IF YOU WILL. THOSE CAN BE SOME OF THE MORE DYNAMIC MOMENTS OF THE NIGHT. BUT AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO THE TERMS OF THIS DEBATE. THE FACT THAT THE PERSON WHO IS NOT SPEAKING HAS THEIR MIC MUTED, WE WILL GET THAT SAME FIRE UNDER THOSE TERMS? WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. OF COURSE, THE TO BE I MODERATED DID HAVE THE MIC MUTED TEMPORARILY AFTER THOSE INITIAL TWO MINUTE SEGMENTS, BUT DURING THE OPEN DISCUSSION SEGMENTS, THEY WERE OPEN. IT WAS A FREE-FOR-ALL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE TWO CANDIDATES TO ENGAGE AND TO CLASH. BUT I DO THINK, TOM, GOING BACK TO YOUR INITIAL., IT HAS A PREVIEW OF THE SHIFT WERE SEEING WITH DEMOCRATS IN TERMS OF THEIR RHETORIC AND GOING AFTER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT A PREVIEW OF WHAT THE CANDIDATES SAY TONIGHT. >> YOU MENTIONED YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE ON THE PLANET WHO I MODERATED A DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. YOU LAID OUT WHAT WE WILL SEE TONIGHT. WHAT DO YOU PROTECT? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A ROBUST DEBATE? WILL THIS GET SIDEWAYS FAST? >> I THINK WE WILL HAVE A ROBUST DEBATE. THERE IS SO MUCH AT STAKE HERE. SO MANY ISSUES THAT VOTERS ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS TO. WHETHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THE BORDER, ABORTION, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. OF COURSE, THAT WAS IN THE SPOTLIGHT YET AGAIN TODAY WITH THAT SUPREME COURT RULING ON THE IDAHO LAW. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THE MODERATORS TRY TO TACKLE THOSE TOP ISSUES. I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR A ROBUST DEBATE. AT THE SAME TIME, THE 16% OF VOTERS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU ARE OPEN TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE THEIR MINDS, FOR THEM, THE PERFORMANCE WE SEE FROM THESE TWO CANDIDATES COULD BE JUST AS IMPORTANT, IF NOT MORE SO, THEN THESE POLICY ISSUES THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. I WILL BE WATCHING TO SEE IF DONALD TRUMP IS, IN FACT, IS DISCIPLINED. IF JOE BIDEN TO PROVE HIMSELF TO BE TOUGH. THAT IS A TOP CONCERN AS WELL. 20% OR SO SAY THEY HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT HIS TOUGHNESS, HIS STRENGTH. HE IS UNDER PRESSURE TO CALM THE JITTERS. >> I DO DISAGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE WILL HAVE A ROBUST DEBATE. BUT I THINK THE UNKNOWN FACTOR HERE IS THE FACTOR, IF YOU WILL. HERE IS WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID ABOUT CNN RECENTLY. >> I WILL PROBABLY BE NEGOTIATING WITH THREE PEOPLE, BUT THAT IS OKAY. I HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE BUT I WILL BE DEBATING THREE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF ONE HALF OF A PERSON. >> HE HAS SSENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT THE MODERATORS, SAYING HE HAS TO DEBATE THE MODERATORS AND PRESIDENT BIDEN. IS HE LOWERING THE BAR FOR HIMSELF? >> HE IS. WE HAVE SEEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TRY TO LOWER THE BAR IN RECENT DAYS. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. REMEMBER, TOM, IN MAY HE CALLED JOE BIDEN THE WORST DEBATER HE HAS EVER FACED OFF AGAINST. NOW HE IS DESCRIBING HIM AS A WORTHY DEBATER. TALK ABOUT A TURNABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW HE IS DESCRIBING JOE BIDEN. HE IS TRYING TO LOWER EXPECTATIONS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I WAS TALKING TO A TRUMP ADVISOR WHO SAID, [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] I REMEMBER VERY WELL. IT IS A PARTISAN STRATEGY. IT IS PART OF THE RUN-UP, PART OF THE GAME. THESE MODERATORS TONIGHT ARE VERY EVEN. THERE IS NO DOUBT THERE TUNING THAT OUT AND FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES. >> BEFORE I LET YOU GO, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE YOU LATER BACK, EXPLAIN TO VIEWERS WHY RFK JR., WHO IS RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT, WHY IS HE NOT GOING TO BE ON THE DEBATE STAGE TONIGHT? >> EFFECTIVELY, CNN SETS THE RULES. THEY REQUIRE THAT HE MEET A CERTAIN STANDARD AND TERMS OF HOW MANY STATES HE QUALIFIED TO BE ON THE BALLOT. HE DID NOT MEET THAT BENCHMARK. HE DIDN'T EVEN GET CLOSE. HE DEDICATE CLOSE IN TERMS OF THE POLLING AS WELL. THERE IS BOTH A PULLING COMPONENT AND THEN A COMPONENT ABOUT HOW MANY STATES HE IS ACTUALLY ON THE BALLOT. THAT IS WHY HE WILL BE AT THE DEBATE. BUT AS YOU KNOW, HE IS POLLING IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS ACCORDING TO SOME POLLS. HE IS BARKING JITTERS WITHIN THE BIDEN CAMP AND WITHIN THE TRUMP CAMP AS WELL. YOU SEE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TAKE AIM AT RFK JR. WE HAVE ALSO SEEN THE KENNEDYS COALESCE AROUND PRESIDENT BIDEN, MAKING THE CASE, BUT WE DO NOT SUPPORT HIS CAMPAIGN. HE WON'T BE ON THE DEBATE STAGE TONIGHT. THAT IS ALSO BY DESIGN. THESE CANDIDATES DID NOT WANT HIM ON THE STAGE. BUT HE IS STILL LOOMING LARGE. >> KRISTEN WELKER, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU ON THE BROADCAST. GOOD TALKING TO YOU. JOINING US NOW LIVE IS A RISING STAR IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS TRUMP VERY WELL. SOUTHWEST FLORIDA REPRESENTATIVE BYRON DONALDS FROM THE GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA. SO GREAT TO SEE YOU. POT -- TALK TO ME ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND IT IS STRANGE THE WAY FIRST HE WAS LOWERING THE BAR AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND SAID TO MELISSA, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS PREPARING LIKE CRAZY. THIS WILL BE A TOUGH DEBATE. WHICH IS IT? WILL IT BE HARD TO PAY FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP OR EASY? >> I THINK JOE BIDEN WILL COME IN READY TO GO. LOOK, HE HAS HAD EIGHT DAYS A CAMP DAVID. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. TYPICALLY, THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT IS DOING THE JOB. BUT JOE BIDEN IS DOING IT THE WAY HE WANTS TO DO IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, DOES JOE BIDEN HAVE A RECIPE TO FIX WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA? A LOT OF WHICH HE BROKE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I WOULD TELL YOU DONALD TRUMP HAVE THE PRESCRIPTION FOR OUR COUNTRY. HE WILL BE LAYING THAT OUT TONIGHT THROUGH THIS DEBATE LIKE HE HAS BEEN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. >> THIS IS THE EDITORIAL PAGE OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. OBVIOUSLY, VERY FRIENDLY TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY SAY THIS IS TRUMP'S TO LOSE. LAST NIGHT THEY REPORTED DEMOCRATS ARE IN FREAK OUT MODE OVER BIDEN. THE BAR IS HIGH FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. IF HE DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT NIGHT TONIGHT AND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A MEDIOCRE NIGHT? IS IT A HUGE VICTORY FOR HIM? >> THE REASON EVERYBODY IS SAYING THIS ABOUT JOE BIDEN IS THAT HE HAS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME HE ANSWERED IMPROMPTU QUESTIONS FROM REPORTERS. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> HE DID DO THE D-DAY ANNIVERSARY. >> HE HAS DONE FEWER PRESS CONFERENCES. YOU ARE RIGHT BUT ALSO BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS ACCUSTOMED TO BEING IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA BEING IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND HAVING THE LEADERSHIP. I WILL ADD THIS. POLLING IN THE SWING STATES LEADS DONALD TRUMP. THERE IS PESSIMISM ABOUT JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY AND ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO ACTUALLY DO THIS JOB FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE WOULD SAY IT IS DONALD TRUMP'S DEBATE TO LOSE. BUT HE WON'T DO THAT. HE IS COMING IN THE SAME WAY HE IS GONE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THE MISSION AND AGENDA FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> DID YOU GIVE ANY HELP TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? IF SO, WHAT DID YOU TELL HIM? IF NOT, WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE HIM? >> THERE ARE SOME IDEAS, WAYS APPROACHING ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT. HAS BEEN ASKING A LOT OF A SPORT THAT ADVICE. IT DEMONSTRATES THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP ONCE INPUT. HE WANTS TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO A LEADER. I TALKED WITH HIM ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HE WILL BE READY TONIGHT. HE HAS HAD THIS JOB FOR FOUR YEARS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PROSPERED WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT PROSPERING TODAY. >> I WANT TO ROLL A CLIP FROM YESTERDAY WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT BLACK AMERICANS. >> LIKE THE MUGSHOT. THE MUGSHOT, IT SPEAKS DUTCH BEATS ELVIS PRESLEY AND FRANK SINATRA BY A LOT. THE SUPPORT AMONG THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY HAS SKYROCKETED. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEMING TO SAY THAT HISPANICS AND BLACK AMERICANS LIKE HIM MORE BECAUSE OF THE MUGSHOT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC HERE. WALK ME THROUGH THAT. >> ACTUALLY, WHAT HAPPENED IS, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN TO MY LEFT, HE ASKED THE QUESTION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE TALKED ABOUT HOW IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY HERE IN ATLANTA MORE BLACK PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT HIM BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE, THEY WENT AFTER DONALD TRUMP FOR THIS CRAZY CHARGE? THAT HAPPENS TO BLACK PEOPLE. THAT IS HIS WORDS. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TAPE ON YOUTUBE. DONALD TRUMP WAS RESPONDING TO THAT. THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED AND NO IT IS NOT FAIR. I KNOW IT IS HIGHLY POLITICAL. THEY KNOW IT WAS DONE TO INTERFERE WITH THE SELECTION. THAT CHARGE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IF HE WASN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. >> I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT, BUT THE ARGUMENT ABOUT TAKING PRIDE IN A MUGSHOT FOR MINORITY COMMUNITIES. >> LET ME PUSH BACK. IT IS ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE REALITY THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY WHO SEE GROSS UNFAIRNESS AND THE JUSTICES THE. THEY ARE SITE, MAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THESE LANES TO TAKE ON THE POLITICAL RIVAL, LET ME LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, LET ME SEE WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE ACTUALLY HAS DONE A BETTER JOB AND HAS A BETTER PLAN TO HELP ME IN MY LIFE TO GET PRICES LOWER SO I CAN BUILD GENERATIONAL WEALTH. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. >> YOU THINK TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP, WHEN HE TAKES THE STAGE, IT WILL BE ABOUT SETTLING SCORES, OR ABOUT HIS VISION FOR A SECOND TERM? >> WILL BE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY. IF ANYBODY TRIES TO BRING UP THINGS TO SPICE UP THE DEBATE, YOU WILL BE JOE BIDEN. KRISTEN JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. >> I ACTUALLY SAW MARY TRUMP, A RELATIVE OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO DOESN'T LIKE HIM. THERE'S CLEARLY A STRATEGY TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN. JUST LIKE DONALD TRUMP WITH HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016. >> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY IS TO TRY TO GET UNDER THE SKIN OF DONALD TRUMP, AS OPPOSED TO TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES FACING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT RIGHT THERE SHOWS YOU THE THE ECONOMY. IF JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY WAS GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR INFLATION, IMMIGRATION, FOREIGN POLICY. THEY WANT TO IGNORE ALL THAT. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. FOR TWO YEARS DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TALKING ABOUT THE FORGOTTEN MEN AND WOMEN IN AMERICA. WILL DO THAT TONIGHT HERE IN ATLANTA. >> REPRESENTATIVE, WITH THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE TONIGHT. THIS COVERAGE IS JUST GETTING STARTED. STILL AHEAD, INCUMBENT PRESIDENTS ALSO -- OFTEN HAVE A WEEK SHOWING AT THE FIRST DEBATE, CAPACITY BY THE BREAK THAT TONIGHT. INSIDE HIS PALPITATIONS -- PREPARATIONS FOR TONIGHT. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >> ♪ ME STEM ♪ LESTER HOLT REPORTING FROM GROUND ZERO. THE HAITIAN PEOPLE KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT RESILIENCY. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ WELCOME TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> I THINK WHEN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, YOU ASK YOURSELF, ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO? IS IT EASIER FOR YOU TO GO AND BUY THINGS IN THE STORES THAT IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO? >> THAT WAS A HISTORIC MOMENT FOR PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN AND HIS DEBATE, A CANDIDATE AT THE TIME, AGAINST THE, JIMMY CARTER IN 1980. MANY FELT CARTER LOST THAT DEBATE WITH THE COMMON THEME WHERE THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENT HAS A WERE SHOWING DURING THE FIRST DEBATE. WITH TALK ABOUT THE TREND AND HOW IT CAN PLAY OUT TONIGHT. I WANT TO BRING IN BIDEN'S COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING THE BROADCAST TONIGHT. WANT TO START WITH THAT QUESTION. IS THERE A FEAR THERE COULD BE -- IT COULD BE ROUGH ON THE PRESIDENT? WHAT HAPPENED WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA, CARTER, CLINTON. >> THERE IS NO FEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. NO FEAR ABOUT THAT. THE PRESIDENT IS EXCITED AND READY TO GO. IS READY TO TALK ABOUT WHERE HE WANTS TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY. AND CONTRAST THAT WERE DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO TAKE THE COUNTRY. THAT IS SOMETHING HE WILL BE PREPARING FOR. SAYS THE FIRST CHALLENGE TO DONALD TRUMP, THESE DEBATES WE WILL HAVE, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON DELIVERING. THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO TALK TO DONALD TRUMP ABOUT THE ROLE TRUMP PLAYED IN OVERTURNING ROE V WADE. HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE FAILED ECONOMIC REPROACH -- APPROACH THAT TRUMP WANTS TO RETURN TO. OF COURSE, HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL THREAT THAT TRUMP POSES TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. THE PRESIDENT IS PREPARED AND READY TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. >> PART OF THE THEORY WHY PRESIDENTS HAVE SUCH A BAD FIRST DEBATE BECAUSE THEY SPENT THE LAST FOUR YEARS WITH EVERYONE SAYING YES, MR. PRESIDENT. HAS PRESIDENT BIDEN DRILL DOWN AND BEEN DISCIPLINED? HAVE PEOPLE BEEN HARD ON HIM, BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE HARD ON HIM TONIGHT? >> THE PRESIDENT WILL BE READY TO GO, NOT JUST BECAUSE, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID. HE HAS BEEN THE LAST FOUR YEARS DOING THE PEOPLES BUSINESS. HE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT HE HAS DONE. 50 MILLION JOBS, 800,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS. THE WORK THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE TO LOWER COSTS, LIKE CAPPING THE COST OF INSULIN FOR SENIORS. THE WORK HE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO DO. CONTRAST THAT AGAINST THE MAN WILL BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DEBATE STAGE, A CONVICTED FELON FIGHTING FOR HIMSELF. THAT IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS PREPARE TO PRESENT. >> THE FIRST CONVICTED FELON. I WANT TO ASK YOU, THOUGH, I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST DEBATE IN FOUR YEARS. THE LAST TIME WAS 2020. THE BOTH MAY BE A LITTLE RUSTY. HOW WILL WE HANDLE SOME OF THE ATTACKS ON IMMIGRATION? HOW WILL YOU HANDLE ATTACKS ON HIS SON, HUNTER BIDEN? >> LISTEN, I THINK BOTH CANDIDATES HAVE NOT ABATED AND SOMETIME. OF ITALY, DONALD TRUMP LOST BOTH DEBATES TO THE PRESIDENT IN 2020 AND HAS NOT SHOWED UP TO A DEBATE SINCE. I THINK WE WILL GET -- DONALD TRUMP WILL BE IN FRONT OF A MAINSTREAM AUDIENCE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE. IS NORMALLY IN A ECHO CHAMBER. TALKING ABOUT BEING A DICTATOR FROM DAY ONE. BRAGGING ABOUT OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE. THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY NOT SHOW UP BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE IS TALKING TO THE VOTERS. BUT THE PRESIDENT IS PREPARED TO CALL DONALD TRUMP TO ACCOUNT FOR THE THINGS HE IS SAYING. >> EXPLAIN TO VIEWERS WHY PRESIDENT BIDEN WHO I WOULD SAY IS VERY TRADITIONAL,DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING UNTRADITIONAL AND FORGO THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES? SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PART OF HISTORY FOR DECADES. WHY NOW AND WHY HERE? >> LISTEN, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THE COMMISSION FOR. NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE DEBATES THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE WELL INTO SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER. >> WHAT IS RONG WITH THAT? SHOULDN'T THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HEAR FROM THEM? >> THEY SHOULD HEAR FROM THE CANDIDATES BEFORE THEY GO TO THE BALLOT BOX. BUT AT 2024 WITH EARLY VOTING THAT BEGINS IN SEPTEMBER, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE CANDIDATES. OH MY GOODNESS. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM? >> TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL HAVE ALREADY CAST THEIR BALLOTS. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> THERE IS A THEORY -- PRESIDENT BIDEN WANTED THIS DONE EARLY BECAUSE IF HE HAS A TERRIBLE NIGHT, IT IS OVER, AND WE MOVE ON WITH SEVERAL MONTHS TO GO BEFORE ELECTION. >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE CANDIDATES BEFORE THEY CAST THEIR BALLOTS. THAT WE HAVE DEBATES THAT WERE NOT LIKE WE HAD IN THE PAST WERE DONALD TRUMP SHOWED UP WITH COVID TRIED TO INTERRUPT THE PRESIDENT, TRY TO USE THIS AS A SPECTACLE. THAT WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ISSUES CONFRONTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT IS WHAT WE WILL HAVE TONIGHT. THAT IS WHAT WE WILL HAVE ON THE DEBATE STAGE ON SEPTEMBER 10. THAT IS WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE. THEY WILL SEE A SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR THEM AND DONALD TRUMP FIGHTING FOR HIMSELF IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE CANDIDATES MAKE THE CASE. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS. AND GOOD LUCK TONIGHT. JUST AHEAD, MANY AMERICANS ARE UNHAPPY WITH THEIR CHOICES FOR THIS ELECTION. THOSE VOTERS COULD BE THE KEY FACTOR IN THIS RACE. WILL TALK TO THE DOUBLE HATERS, PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE BOTH TRUMP AND BIDEN. COULD THE DEBATE TODAY CHANGE THEIR MINDS? WE SPEAK TO SOME OF THE. SPECIAL DEBATE COVERAGE COMING UP. STAY WITH US.>>> ♪ ♪>> WHAT IS THE MESSAGE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET OUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE? >> WE HAVE REPORT NEWS THIS HOUR ABOUT YOUR MONEY. >> MENTAL HEALTH, BIG PICTURE, WHY IS IT SO TOUGH RIGHT NOW? >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK TO THE LIVE COVERAGE OF THIS FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. YOU CAN SEE CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM JUST BEHIND THE HERE LIVE IN THE SPIN ROOM AS A SURROGATE FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNOR NEWSOM AS A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE THIS TIME AROUND. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. THE GOVERNOR SAID REPEATEDLY HE SUPPORTS PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HAS NO INTENTION TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. WE MAY TALK TO HIM LATER TONIGHT. A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL BE TUNING IN TO SEE TRUMP AND BIDEN MEET HEAD TO HEAD DISCUSSING CRITICAL ISSUES ON A NATIONAL STAGE. A KEY GROUP OF VOTERS WANT TO TONIGHT, DOUBLE HATERS, VOTERS UNSATISFIED WITH BOTH CANDIDATES AND TORN, CHOOSING BETWEEN WHAT THEY MIGHT CALL A LESSER OF TWO EVILS. SOME DECIDING WHETHER THEY WILL CAST A VOTE AT ALL IN THIS ELECTION. TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS NOW, THE DOUBLE HATERS, WE WANT TO GO TO THE NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT STEVE KORNACKI TO WALK US THROUGH RECENT POLLING. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS HAS BEEN THE HIGH UNFAVORABLE FOR BOTH TRUMP AND BIDEN. WHAT DID THE LATEST NUMBERS TELL US? >>WHAT WE HAVE HERE, THIS IS AN AVERAGE OF ALL F THE MOST RECENT POLLS HERE, BASICALLY, GOING BACK A MONTH THAT ASKS IF YOU HAVE A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF THE CANDIDATE. LOOK AT THIS, MAJORITY, SIZABLE MAJORITY, WITH AN UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF BOTH JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP ARE PROVIDED -- TRUMP IS 10.UNDERWATER. DEPOSITS OF FURTHER PERSPECTIVE, BACK IN 2020 IN THE MATCHUP, AND THE EXIT POLLING, BIDEN'S NUMBERS WERE ACTUALLY ABOVE WATER. HE WAS 52% MAJORITY FAVORABLE. IT WAS TRUMP WHO HAD THE BIGGER PROBLEM FOUR YEARS AGO, 46% FAVORABLE. NOW BOTH DOUBLE DIGITS AND MAYBE SLIGHTLY WORSE FOR BIDEN. >> DOUBLE HATERS ARE PROVING A MAJOR FACTOR IN THIS RACE. HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO PAST ELECTIONS? >> WE ARE KIND OF DIJ@ VU ALL OVER AGAIN. TAKING A LOOK AT THIS GOING BACK EIGHT YEARS AGO. IT WAS TRUMP AND HILLARY CLINTON. YOU HAD WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SKY HIGH UNFAVORABLE NUMBERS FOR BOTH CANDIDATES. IN 2016 ALMOST ONE OUT OF FIVE VOTERS IN THE EXIT POLLING SAID THEY DID NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE. THEY WERE A CRUCIAL BLOCK IN THAT ELECTION BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP ONE BACK THEM BY 17 POINTS, A BIG CHUNK OF THE ELECTORATE. THAT IS A BIG MARGIN. REMEMBER HOW CLOSE TRENTON MARGINS WERE IN 2016. THIS GROUP MADE THE DIFFERENCE. THE 2020, WE JUST SHOWED YOU THAT BIDEN WAS ABOVE WATER, NOT NEARLY AS MANY DOUBLE HATERS PURCHASE 3% BACK IN 2020. THE STORY WAS THAT IT DIDN'T READ -- MATTER TOO MUCH. NOW WE'RE BACK AT 2016 LEVELS. THAT IS WHAT THE POLLING SUGGESTS. A COUPLE DIFFERENT NUMBERS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT A RECENT WHEN FROM SIENA COLLEGE FOUND 90% NATIONALLY -- 19% NATIONALLY. >> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT ANOTHER POLL SHOWING DOUBLE HATERS FAVORING DONALD TRUMP OF >> THAT 19%, DIGGING INSIDE THE NUMBERS, AMONG THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE BOTH, THEY ASKED ABOUT NUDGES UNFAVORABLE, BUT THE WORD VERY UNFAVORABLE. 62% SAID THAT ABOUT TRUMP, 47% SAID THAT ABOUT BIDEN. A BIT OF A GAP. NOW 84% OVERALL DISAPPROVE OF THE JOB BY THE IS DOING AS PRESIDENT. I GUESS THAT IS NO SURPRISE IF THEY DON'T LIKE HIM, BUT OVERALL, THIS GROUP IN THE SIENA COLLEGE POLL, THEY LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT BATTLEGROUND STATES. TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA, WHEN FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BIDEN AND TRUMP, BIDEN LED BY EIGHT POINTS AMONG THIS GROUP. YOU THINK IF YOU'RE BIDEN THAT IS GOOD NEWS. BUT HERE'S THE CATCH, THEY ASKED THE SAME VOTERS WHO THEY VOTED FOR FOUR YEARS AGO, BIDEN AMONG THE SAME GROUP OF VOTERS ONE THEM BY 20 POINTS. NOW JUST EIGHT POINTS FOR HIM. YOU CAN READ THAT ONE OF TWO WAYS. >> STEVE KORNACKI WITH THE DEEP DIVE HERE ON A SPECIAL COVERAGE. ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU ON THE BROADCAST. GADI SCHWARTZ JOINS US LIVE FROM A FOCUS GROUP IN PHOENIX, BATTLEGROUND ARIZONA, WITH SOME OF THE DOUBLE HATERS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. YOU WILL BE THERE THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING AROUND THE ROOM? HOW CRUCIAL IS THIS DEBATE AND SWAYING THEIR DECISION? >> VERY CRUCIAL. HATE IS A WORD WE KEEP SAYING OVER AND OVER. THAT THE N-WORD NOW STARTING TO PLAN OUTSIZE ROLE IN THE POLITICS -- THAT IS THE WORD NOW STARTING TO PLAY OUTSIZED ROLE IN POLITICS. THEY HATE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND CANDIDATE POOL WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW. WE WILL CHAT ITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO WATCH TO SEE IF ANYTHING THEY SEE SWAYS THEIR VOTE. WE HAVE NICOLE, DENISE, JEFF AND JILLIAN ALL HERE STANDING BY. WE ARE NOT ON A DELAY, PLEASE NO PROFANITY. CAN YOU DESCRIBE BOTH CANDIDATES IN A COUPLE OF WORDS BUT >> WEEK LEADERSHIP. REALLY EASY TO DESCRIBE BOTH OF THEM. >> HOW ABOUT YOU? >> OH MY GOSH, MR. BIDEN, YOU'RE JUST TOO OLD FOR THE JOB. THAT'S OKAY. TIME TO RETIRE GRACEFULLY. MR. TRUMP, YOU ARE A BIG BULLY. IT IS TIME TO STEP ASIDE. >> HOW ABOUT YOU? >> I AM IN A PICKLE BECAUSE I AM A JOHN McKAY REPUBLICAN. I DON'T HAVE A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. DISHONESTY AND IMMORALITY IS UNACCEPTABLE. >> FOR BIDEN? >> I AM NOT SURE. >> HOW ABOUT YOU? >> IT IS LIKE A REALITY TV SHOW. >> LIKE LATE AT NIGHT. JUST GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT TALKING ABOUT EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE IN THE WORLD OR OUR COUNTRY. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT HERE, ANYTHING THEY CAN SAY THE MY CHANGE THE WAY YOU VOTE COME NOVEMBER? >> POSSIBLY? IF THEY SAY THINGS LIKE, FIXING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR HOMELESSNESS OR THE COST OF LIVING, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY BRING CHANGE TO THE PEOPLE, THINGS LIKE THAT, YES. >> WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ARE WATCHING FOR IN PARTICULAR? >> SUCH A WILD CARD WITH TRUMP. IT IS NOT HIS TYPICAL AUDIENCES WHEN HE HAS HIS RALLIES. WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF CHARACTER WILL SHOW UP. CLEARLY HAS BACK STORY IS IN A REALLY HORRIBLE PLACE. BIDEN HAS A HARD TIME SOMETIMES JUST GETTING STUFF SQUARED AWAY. >> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT ON THE FENCE. LET'S DO IT SHOW OF HANDS, HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR BIDEN IN THE LAST ELECTION? HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP IN THE LAST ELECTION? OKAY. INTERESTING. THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE? GOT IT. DENISE, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ARE WATCHING FOR OR ANY TYPE OF MISSTEPS YOU MAY BE WATCHING FOR THAT WILL INFLUENCE YOUR DECISION? >> LIKE JEFF SAID, WHENEVER SO WHAT KIND OF CHARACTER WILL SHOW UP IN TRUMP. EVERY TIME HE MAKES A STATEMENT, THE VERY NEXT STATEMENT CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SAY HE SAYS THE SAME ISSUES AS BIDEN BECAUSE HE IS FORGETFUL, BUT HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. >> NICOLE, WHEN IT COMES TO BIDEN, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT ANY MISSTEPS? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR? >> HONESTLY, BOTH OF THEM HAVE SUCH POOR LEADERSHIP. THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. I HAVE SEEN BOTH OF THEM OVER FOUR YEARS, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO SEE THE NEXT FOUR YEARS . IT IS FRUSTRATING THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT. >> WE WILL WATCH THIS DEBATE WITH ALL OF YOU. DENISE TOLD ME WHO SHE VOTED FOR LAST TIME, DO YOU WANT TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYBODY? >> I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. >> OKAY. VERY INTERESTING. TOM, BACK TO YOU. >> GADI, I LOVE HOW YOU PREFACED THAT BY SAYING NO PROFANITY. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING DOWN THAT WAY. I HOPE YOU BROUGHT BEEN DIP. YOU ARE IN ARIZONA, MAN. I HOPE YOU'RE BEING A GOOD HOST OVER THERE. >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TAKE OVER THERE, BIDEN, TRUMP OR NEITHER. I AM SURE EVERYONE WILL TRY TO GET THE NEITHER BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD SO FAR. >> WE HAVE TO SEE THAT CAKE LATER. GREAT TALKING TO YOU. WE LEARNED A LOT. THE COUNTDOWN TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE CONTINUES. STILL AHEAD, WHAT YOU CAN AFFECT FROM A HIGH-STAKES SHOWDOWN. FACE-TO-FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FOUR YEARS. WE'RE GOING TO -- WILL BE GET A REPEAT OF 2020 WITH INSULTS AND YELLING? NEW INSIGHTS ON THIS HISTORIC NIGHT. STAY WITH US. >> >> IF THEY RAN IT THE WAY HE WOULD WANT TO RUN IT, ARE SUBURBS WOULD BE GONE, AND YOU WOULD SEE PROBLEMS. >> YOU WOULD NOT KNOW A SUBURB LSU TOOK A WRONG TURN. >> THAT EXCHANGE YOU JUST ALL RIGHT THERE COULD BE A PREVIEW OF WHAT IS IN STORE FOR US LATER TONIGHT HERE IN ATLANTA. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TRUMP BIDEN WILL SHARE THE STATE SINCE GOING HEAD-TO-HEAD TWICE IN 2020. THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES STIRRING UP HEATED DISCUSSIONS ON TOPICS THAT AMERICANS STILL CARE ABOUT GOING INTO NOVEMBER. VAUGHN HILLYARD WITH A LOOK BACK AT THEIR PAST FIREWORKS AND DEBATES. >> Reporter: TONIGHT JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP MATCHUP. >> CAN I BE HONEST? >> [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> Reporter: AN ECHO BACK TO 2020. >> THE QUESTION IS. >> Reporter: TRUMP INTERRUPTING CONSTANTLY. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> BEAT BERNIE SANDERS, NOT BY MUCH. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> NOTHING HAPPENING THERE. >> Reporter: BIDEN SNAPPY IN RESPONSE. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> LET HIM FINISH. >> HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. IT IS HARD TO GET ANYWHERE WITH THIS CLOWN. >> Reporter: THE DEBATE TAKING PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> BY EASTER, THIS WILL BE GONE AWAY. BY THE WARM WEATHER IT WOULD BE GONE MIRACULOUSLY LIKE A MIRACLE. BY THE WAY, MAYBE INJECT SOME BLEACH IN YOUR ARMS. THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> Reporter: A PLANT SECOND DEBATE CANCELED AFTER THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SENT TO WALTER REED MEDICAL CENTER WITH COVID AND TRUMP REFUSE TO DEBATE VIRTUALLY, WHICH LED TO THE FINAL DEBATE. >> I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. I HAD IT. >> Reporter: JUST UNDER TWO WEEKS BEFORE ELECTION DAY IN A SLIGHTLY MORE CONTROLLED PRESENT FROM BOTH MEN. >> WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO A DARK WINTER. HE HAS NO CLEAR PLAN. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOUR REACTION. >> WE WON'T HAVE A DARK WINTER AT ALL. WE'RE OPENING UP OUR COUNTRY. >> Reporter: THE DEBATES PREVIEWING LARGER ISSUES TO COME. SUCH AS EXTREMISTS AND JANUARY 6th. WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL THEM? GIVE ME A NAME. >> PROUD BOYS. >> PROUD BOYS, STAND BACK AND STAND BY. [ CHANTING ] >> Reporter: IN THE BATTLE OVER ABORTION, BEFORE ROE V. WADE WAS OVERTURNED, IN LARGE PART, DUE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SUPREME COURT PICKS. >> THE PRESIDENT ALSO IS OPPOSED TO ROE V. WADE. THAT IS ON THE BALLOT AS WELL. THAT IS ALSO AT STAKE RIGHT NOW. AND SO, THE ELECTION -- >> YOU DON'T KNOW. WHY IS IT ON THE BALLOT? IT IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. >> WE THANK VAUGHN FOR THAT. LET'S GET AN INSIDE LOOK AT DEBATE PREPARATORY ME IS POLITICAL ANALYST AND FORMER U.S. SENATOR CLAIRE McCASKILL AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR TRUMP'S 2020 CAMPAIGN . YOU HAVE SO MANY TO BE EXPERIENCE. YOU HAVE BEEN A CANDIDATE AND INCUMBENT. WHY WOULD PRESIDENT BIDEN OPT FOR THE RIGHT PODIUM INSTEAD OF GETTING THE LAST WORD TONIGHT? >> I HONESTLY THINK IT IS BECAUSE YOU WANTED TRUMP TO HAVE THE LAST WORD. I THINK HE BELIEVES THAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT CAPABLE OF DISCIPLINE. I BELIEVE THAT HE THINKS HE CAN GET UNDER HIS SKIN AND THAT HE WILL ACT OUT IN A WAY THAT OFFENDS A WHOLE LOT OF AMERICANS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT MAY BE DON'T LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE AND ARE STILL SITTING IN THE SQUISHY UNDECIDED CAMP. FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS REALLY MATTERS. WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS WHETHER OR NOT HE COULD COME OUTWITH THE STRENGTH HE SHOWED FOUR YEARS AGO AND THE SAME KIND OF STRENGTH HE SHOWED AT THE STATE OF THE UNION. >> MORE, SOMETIMES FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS GREAT DEBATES AND SOMETIMES TERRIBLE DEBATES. IT HAS BEEN FOUR YEARS. HE HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF HE IS BEEN PREPARING FOR THIS HIS WHOLE LIFE. HE DIDN'T DO AS MUCH PREP AS PRESIDENT BIDEN DID. IS NOT A DANGER? DOES HE NEED TO BE MORE DISCIPLINED? >> I THINK IT'LL WAY THE FORMAT DEMANDED BY THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WILL BACKFIRE AND HELP TRUMP. THE MICS WILL BE MUTED SO THEY CAN'T INTERRUPT EACH OTHER. IT ALSO IS BAD FOR BY THE CONGRESS HE WILL BE OUT THERE WITHOUT A LIFERAFT, WITHOUT TRUMP BEING ABLE TO INTERRUPT. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE ADVANTAGE GOING INTO THIS. THE POLLS SHOW IT, THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, ALL THE ISSUES. IF DONALD TRUMP TALKED ABOUT GROCERIES AND IMMIGRATION, HE WINS THIS DEBATE HANDS-DOWN. FOR IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THESE TWO MEN HAVE DEBATED, FOR YEARS. AND PRESIDENT BIDEN NOW 81, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP 78. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING THE STAMINA AND MENTAL ACUITY. WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TONIGHT? WHAT DOES PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE TO DO TO DISPEL THE CRITICISM, DISPEL THE DOUBTERS? >> LISTEN, THESE GUYS ARE BOTH OLD. THEY ARE TWO OLD GUYS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WE HAVE SEEN DONALD TRUMP DO BIZARRE THINGS OUT THERE. I MEAN, ELECTRIC BOATS, SHARKS. YOU RATE THE TRANSCRIPT OF HIS RALLIES, AND THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE. >> TO BE FAIR, ALSO, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR NOTED PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE MEMORY ISSUES AS WELL IN HIS REPORT. >> I HAVE WATCHED HIM, HE HAS EVERY DETAIL OF THE G7 MEETING. I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE A PROBLEM WITH JOE BIDEN KNOWING THE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND HOW TO GO AFTER DONALD TRUMP DONALD TRUMP HAS A RECORD. HE NEEDS TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT THAT IS. DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T CREATE 15 MILLION JOBS. JOE BIDEN 10. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS UNHINGED, WILD, CAN'T CONTROL HIMSELF. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT VERSION OF HIMSELF DOESN'T COME OUT LIFE ON TELEVISION? >> [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, THINK ABOUT THE 100 MILLION EXPECTED TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMERA. THAT IS WHO YOU ARE REALLY TALKING TO. IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THEM, HE HAS THE WINNING MESSAGE ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS. PEOPLE REMEMBER THE THINGS WERE MORE AFFORDABLE. WE WERE SAFER AND THE BORDER WAS SECURE WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, NOT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. I THINK IF HE STICKS TO THOSE FACTS, HE IS GOING TO WIN. JOE BIDEN HAS A PROBLEM DEFENDING HIS OWN RECORD. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE PREP AT CAMP DAVID. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN ATTACKING HIM FOR OVER PREPARING. A LOT OF GREAT MINDS PREPPING THE PRESENT FOR THIS. YOU THINK DEMOCRATS ARE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS DEBATE? >> I THINK THEY ARE TENSE ABOUT THIS. WAS IN, THIS IDEA THAT TRUMP ISN'T PREPPING IS TYPICAL TRUMP. SUCH AN EGO. I DON'T NEED ANY PRACTICE. I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I'M SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. IF I LOSE, IT IS RATES. WE ALL KNOW THE PATTERN. THERE IS A REASON SOME OF THIS CAME DOWN THERE AND WENT OVER POLICY. THERE WERE SENATORS, REPUBLICAN SENATORS WOULD TELL ME THAT HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. DONALD TRUMP. NO IDEA. ON THE ISSUES, JOE BIDEN WILL BE JUST FINE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF DONALD TRUMP CAN CONTROL HIMSELF TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. >> MARK, YOU PREPPED VICE PRESIDENT PENCE FOR THE DEBATES. HOW WAS THAT PERCEIVED? >> I THINK THEY KNEW THEN GOVERNOR PENCE WHEN HE WAS PREPARING HAS BEEN A LONG, HAD SERVED AS A POLITICIAN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR DECADES. HE HAS A SYSTEM AND PATTERN IN PLACE. THEY ALWAYS LET US DO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO DO. SOMETIMES WE WOULD ACTUALLY WHISPER AND TRY TO HELP OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. >> DOES HE PREPARE? >> I THINK HE PREPARES IN HIS WAY, WHETHER DOING INTERVIEWS, TOWN HALLS WITH NETWORKS THAT MAY NOT BE OVERLY FRIENDLY. WHETHER IT IS THE RALLIES, MEETING WITH POLICY PEOPLE. HE DOES ALL OF THAT TO GET THOSE FACTS AND FIGURES STRAIGHT. I'M SURE IT WILL BE A GREAT DEBATE. THE CHALLENGE IS, EVEN IF JOE BIDEN DOES PHYSICALLY MAKE IT THROUGH 90 MINUTES STANDING WITH NO FUMBLES, JUST LIKE THE STATE OF THE UNION, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN THREE OR FOUR DAYS LATER AND THE ISSUE WILL COME RIGHT BACK UP. >> IF YOU COULD WHISPER IN HIS EAR, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM TONIGHT? >> GO AFTER HIM. CALL HIM A LOSER. HE IS A LOSER. GET UNDER HIS SKIN SO WE CAN ALL SEE THE DONALD TRUMP WE KNOW. >> IF YOU COULD TALK TO DONALD TRUMP, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HIM? >> IGNORE JOE BIDEN, JAKE AND DANA, AND TALK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU HAVE THE WINNING RECORD. THEY DON'T LIKE JOE BIDEN. REMIND THEM OF THAT. >> WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE TONIGHT AS WE GET READY FOR THIS HISTORIC DEBATE. COMING UP, COVERAGE OF THE DEBATE CONTINUES. WHICH IS ABOUT AN HOUR AWAY NOW. THE STATUS SET HERE IN ATLANTA. HOW MUCH WILL THIS NIGHT SWING VOTERS? WE HAVE INSIDERS FOR BOTH CAMPAIGNS COMING UP. STAY WITH US ALL NIGHT.>>> >>> THE NBC NEWS MOBILE APP. GET CONNECTED TO YOUR FAVORITE NEWS SHOW, TO THE TOP STORIES, BREAKING NEWS, AND LIVE VIDEO, DOWNLOAD THE NBC NEWS MOBILE APP NOW. ♪ >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE AN HOUR OUT FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF THE 2024 RACE. WE ARE LIVE IN ATLANTA. PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE MAKING THEIR FINAL PREPARATIONS. THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH THE DATES ARE POLLING NECK AND NECK READ IT WILL BE A DEBATE LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN FOR. TRUMP AND BIDEN AGREED. NEW GROUND RULES AS BOTH CANDIDATES ARRIVE IN ATLANTA. THERE WILL BE NO LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCE. THERE WILL BE TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS, AND THE CANDIDATES CANNOT INTERACT WITH THEIR STAFF DURING THAT TIME. PHONES WILL BE MUTED WHEN IT IS NOT THEIR TURN TO SPEAK, SOME MICS WILL BE CLIPPED IN SOME CASES. THE TWO WILL BATTLE IT OUT OVER THE ECONOMY, THE CRISIS AT THE BORDER, AND THE WORLD AT WAR, TWO DIFFERENT WARS. TWO POLLS WITH TRUMP TAKING A NARROW LEAD, ONE WITH BIDEN AHEAD, AND ANOTHER WITH THEM TIED. WILL THAT CHANGE AFTER TONIGHT? 60% OF REGISTERED VOTERS SAY THEY ARE OPEN TO SWITCHING CANDIDATES DEPENDING UPON THE DEBATE'S PERFORMANCES. WILL WE SEE A CERTAIN VERSION OF TRUMP TONIGHT? LET'S GET A REPEAT OF THEIR PAST DEBATES OF SPEAKING OVER EACH OTHER AND IF SHE THINKS IT WILL BE A FAIR DEBATE. WE ALSO HAVE TEAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TALKING WITH VOTERS. BUT FIRST, NBC NEWS' HALLIE JACKSON JOINS US. WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE IN THE COMING HOURS? >> I WILL BE A CRITICAL 90 MINUTES. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THE PREP SPIN. YOU ARE SEEING SURROGATES ON BOTH SIDES COMING OUT TRYING TO SET THE EXPECTATIONS. ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL JUNE, WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO BEFORE THE ELECTION, THIS WILL BE THE MOST WATCHED MOMENTS OF THIS ELECTION SEASON. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE A LITTLE PREVIEW. LET'S ROLL IT. >> Reporter: THE STAGE SET FOR AN ELECTION AMERICA HAS NEVER SEEN IN MODERN POLITICAL HISTORY. THE CURRENT RESIDENT VERSUS THE FORMER PRESIDENT WITH MR. TRUMP DOING A FINAL BRUSH UP ON THE AIRPLANE TO ATLANTA. PRESIDENT BIDEN ARRIVING FROM CAMP DAVID WHERE SOURCES TELL NBC NEWS HE HAS HAD FULL MULTIPLE MOCK DEBATES. THE PRESIDENT ALSO LOOKING TO SHOW STRENGTH TO COUNTER VOTER CONCERNS ABOUT HIS AGE AND MR. TRUMP'S LEGAL ISSUES, TAKING OUT A FULL-PAGE AD DEPICTING HIM AS A CRIMINAL. WILL HE CALL HIM DIRECTLY A VILLAIN? >> HE PERHAPS WILL, AND TRUMP IS A CONVICTED FELON. >> Reporter: DEPLOYING A ESTRANGED KNEES TO HELP YOU EXPECT TRUMP SHOULD NEVER BE NEAR LEADERS OF POWER EVER AGAIN. >> Reporter: VOTERS ARE CONSISTENTLY SAYING THE BOATER BORDER AND ECONOMY ARE TOP OF MIND. >> ARE YOU FINANCIALLY BETTER OFF SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT? >> Reporter: MR. TRUMP SAID HIS RUNNING MATE WILL BE IN ATLANTA, BUT HE HAS NOT SAID WHICH OF THE TOP CONTENDERS HE WILL CHOOSE. JD VANCE, MARCO RUBIO, DOUG BURGUM, AND DONALD TRUMP MAY REIN IT IN. >> HE KNOWS WHAT THIS JOB IS. HE KNOWS THE ISSUES AND THE WAYS TO FIX THIS COUNTRY. LOOKING AT A MAN WHOSE DONE A TERRIBLE JOB. >> Reporter: IT IS UNCLEAR IF THEY WILL SHAKE HANDS, IN A STUDIO WITH NO LIVE AUDIENCE. TONIGHT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 16% OF VOTERS SAY THEY ARE OPEN TO CHANGING THEIR PICK BASED ON TONIGHT'S PERFORMANCES. THE MOST CRITICAL IN THIS CAMPAIGN YET. >> SORRY, GUYS. WE HAVE A LITTLE AUDIO DIFFICULTY HERE. HALLIE JACKSON WILL JOIN US NOW LIVE. SO, HALLIE, GIVE US SOME SCOOPS. WHAT NEW REPORTING HAVE YOU GOT FOR US? >> I THINK THE ONE INTERESTING THING, WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THEY DID SOMETHING NOT TOTALLY EXPECTED WITHIN THE LAST HOUR. THEY BROUGHT OUT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ESTRANGED KNEES. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY WANT REPORTERS TO KNOW ABOUT. PART OF THIS IS CASTING DONALD TRUMP AS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE. YOU SEEN IT IN HIS ADVERTISEMENT, THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO THIS FOR A PRE-SPIN FOR DEBATE NIGHT, AND THAT'S ESSENTIAL TO THE CASE THEY WANT TO MAKE. THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, ABORTION ACCESS, DONALD TRUMP'S LEGAL ISSUES, HIS CONVICTION, IF THE SHOE FITS, DONALD TRUMP WILL WEAR IT, BUT HE'S NOT AFRAID TO GO AFTER HIM HERE. SO I SAY THIS IS IT. 60 MINUTES UNTIL WE BEGIN, AND WE ARE COUNTING DOWN EVERY SECOND, TOM. >> ARE THEY TAKING A PAGE FROM - >> RIGHT, THE BILLBOARD, RIGHT. SURE. BUT THE THING IS THIS IS A MOMENT-- >> THEY ARE NOT TAKING ANY CHANCES HERE. HE IS IN FULL DEBATE PREP MODE. >> WITHIN THE LAST 15 MINUTES, TOM, PREPARATION, SOURCES TALKING TO US, AND THIS PERSON WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS MOMENT END OF JUNE, THIS IS ON THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN SOURCE, THEY WANT TO SET THE TABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO PAY ATTENTION AND KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. IN ANOTHER FEW WEEKS WE WILL HAVE A MASSIVE MOMENT FOR THE ELECTION. THIS MOMENT, THINK ABOUT PAST CYCLES THAT YOU'VE COVERED. RIGHT BEFORE THE CONVENTION THEY ARE OOKING TO TUNE IN TO SEE CLEARLY THESE TWO CANDIDATES AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS A CLEAR CONTRAST. >> AND PEOPLE WILL BE MAKING UP THERE MINDS? >> IS ANOTHER CANDIDATE IN THIS, INDEPENDENT ROBERT F. KENNEDY JUNIOR. THEY HAVE HIRED ON INDIVIDUALS TO COME IN AND TARGET RFK JR. . THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ELEMENTS OF JOE BIDEN IN A SECOND TERM, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR JOE BIDEN. THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THEM BRING IN THE KENNEDY FAMILY-- RELATIVES OF KENNEDY, COMING IN- - >> YEAH. >> AND BEING OUTSPOKEN OF BIDEN SUPPORTERS. THAT'S RARE. TONIGHT, FORMER GEORGIA SENATOR IS HOLDING A FUNDRAISER HERE TONIGHT. THEY ARE GOING HOME TONIGHT. AND SHE LOST LARGELY BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP, THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY-- >> THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF TRUMP PEOPLE WERE SAYING, LIKE MY RUNNING MATE WILL BE AT THE DEBATE. THEY ARE USING THOSE THREE GUYS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. >> REALLY QUICK, WHAT DO YOU GUYS SINCE IN TRUMP WORLD? DO THEY THINK THEY HAVE GOT THIS? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WHAT'S YOUR OBSERVATION? >> SEEMS TRUMP HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR 9 1/2 YEARS NOW. 90-MINUTE RISKS AT THESE CAMPAIGN RALLIES, BUT THAT'S HOW LONG THE DEBATE IS. DONALD TRUMP GOES ON RIGHT WING RADIO AND TALKS A LOT ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK HE'S COMING FROM A POSITION HAVING FEELING COMFORTABLE IN HIMSELF. I WOULD TAKE SOMEONE SERIOUSLY WHEN HE SAYS HE DOESN'T NEED TO GO TO A ROOM FOR TWO DAYS. >> TONIGHT, THIS ISSUE, THIS IDEA OF DISCIPLINE, OTHERS TOO, SAYING LISTEN, THEY WILL GO AS FAR AS FAR AS DONALD TRUMP AND HE IS GOING TO BE READY AND ACKNOWLEDGES THAT DISCIPLINE IS GOING TO SERVE HIM WELL. THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE WANT TO SEE. >> YEAH. >> WE'VE BOTH COVERED HIM FOR NEARLY A DECADE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET UNTIL-- >> HALLIE JACKSON, VAUGHN HILLYARD. THANK YOU BOTH. JEN PSAKI JOINS US NOW. I'LL START WITH YOU, JEN. HOW SERIOUSLY DID HE TAKE THE PREP? >> I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN VERY SERIOUS. HE IS OF COURSE VERY CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT, WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAVING WORKED WITH HIM FOR DECADES. I WOULD SUSPECT AS WELL ALSO, TOM, THEIR DEBATE PREP INCLUDES A COUPLE THINGS. THEY PROBABLY HAVE THICK BINDERS OF MATERIALS OF INFORMATION THEY ARE GOING INT , INCLUDING ONES THAT ABIDE AND WANTS TO GO ON THE ATTACK ON, I SUSPECT ABORTION, THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, WILL BE TOP OF THE LIST. AND HOW HE WILL RESPOND TO ATTACKS FROM TRUMP I KNOW JOE BIDEN IS PREPPING, BUT IT ALSO ABOUT BEING SPONTANEOUS IN THE MOMENT. THE OTHER CHALLENGE THE BIDEN TEAM HAS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT LOVES THE DATA. HE LOVES LISTS OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND IF HE'S GOING TO AND EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE DURING THIS DEBATE HOW AN INFRASTRUCTURE YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL, OR INFRASTRUCTURE BILL , IN PENNSYLVANIA, HE'S NOT WINNING THE DEBATE. IT'S ALL ABOUT CONNECTING EMOTIONALLY WITH PEOPLE, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ELLIPTICALS OR MAKING SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ALL YOUR COMPLIMENTS. >> YEAH. >> SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES. >> JEN WHAT ABOUT THE INCUMBENT CURSE, IF YOU WILL. HAPPENED TO OBAMA, CARTER, AND CLINTON. >> YEAH. >> EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SAYING YES TO PRESIDENT BIDEN. WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD FROM YOUR SOURCES, IS HE PAYING ATTENTION THIS TIME AROUND? >> NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, TOM. I WORKED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA WHEN THAT FIRST DEBATE HAPPENED, AND IT WAS BAD, AS EVERYBODY SAID. IN PART, BECAUSE AS YOU NOTED, THE PRESIDENT IS RUSTY. AS YOU WOULD DO IN A DEBATE YOU ARE NOT AS SHARPENED IN TERMS OF HOW YOU ARE COMMUNICATING, THAT'S NOT EPICALLY WHAT THE PRESIDENCY IS, SO THAT'S BEEN PART OF THEIR PREP AND SOMETHING I THINK THEY ARE HAMMERING HOME. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP INTERRUPTED THEN-CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN OVER 140 TIMES. WILL THE MICROPHONES RULE HURT OR HELP TRUMP MARK >> I'M NOT SURE YET. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WILL BE CUT OFF-- >> AFTER TWO MINUTES. >> YEAH, I KNOW THAT, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL GIVE THEM A FEW SECONDS TO FINISH SOMETHING, OR IF YOU'LL HEAR THEM SHOUTING SOMETHING. BUT THESE TWO MEN ARE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE A MOMENT TONIGHT, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE DEBATES GIVE YOU OPPORTUNITY TO SET SOMETHING IN SOMEONE'S MIND. WHENEVER THIS MOMENT, AND TAKE THAT MOMENT, AND BUILD IT INTO MOMENTUM, ULTIMATELY A MOVEMENT, AND WIN AN ELECTION. FOR THE QUESTION AS TO WHO CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS, I WOULD ARGUE RAISING THE BAR A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE STORIES THAT HAVE COME OUT THERE ON PURPOSE BY DESIGN FROM THE CAMPAIGNS, BUT THE 16 PEOPLE HELPING THEM OUT, IT'S A SET LIKE A MOVIE, A MOCK DEBATE SITUATION. THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WILL GO AFTER TRUMP AND TRY TO GOAD HIM INTO LOSING HIS COOL, HOW HE SHOULD REALLY TALK ABOUT HIS OWN RECORD. THEY TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE EXPERTS HE HAS AROUND HIM, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME, JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR HALF A CENTURY. SO, I THINK BY THEMSELVES MAYBE ACCIDENTALLY, MAYBE ON PURPOSE, BUT THEY'VE RAISED THE BAR FOR JOE BIDEN, TONIGHT. >> JEN , THERE WAS A DEEP DIVE INTO THE DEBATES WITH THE INCUMBENT, WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT THE PERSON PLAYING RONALD REAGAN STARTED ATTACKING CARTER, AND CARTER'S WIFE WAS IN THE OFFICE AFTER 11 MINUTES OF DEBATE PREP HE CALLED IT OFF, SAYING IT WAS TOO STRANGE. IN THESE PREP SESSIONS, NOW THAT HE'S PRESIDENT, WILL HE REALLY LAY INTO PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> I THINK THERE'S NO DOUBT HE WILL LAY INTO HIM LIKE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE KNOWS HE HAS TO DO WELL AT THIS DEBATE. I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD KEEP THEIR EXPECTATIONS IN AN OKAY PLACE ON THAT, BUT THEY NEED TO SHAKE THINGS UP IN THIS RACE. THEY NEED TO SHOW HE HAS MOMENTUM. THE POLICY ANSWERS ARE IMPORTANT, AND THE PUBLIC WILL STAY IN TUNE WITH THEM, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE, AND PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SHOWING HE HAS THE ENERGY TO BE PRESIDENT. HE HAS SOMETHING TO PROVE IN THIS DEBATE. >> OKAY, TALK TO ME ABOUT WHY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SORT OF STRINGING ALONG THE THREE MEN WE ALL THINK ONE OF THEM WILL EVENTUALLY BE CHOSEN TO BE HIS RUNNING MATE. SOME ARE HELPING HIM WITH ACTUAL PREP, THEY SAY. >> THE DEBATE MATTERS, NO QUESTION, BUT YOUR PERFORMANCE AS YOU BECOME A POTENTIAL VICE PRESIDENT, THEY CALLED IT LIKE THE APPRENTICE, WHERE HE LIKES TO TEST PEOPLE AND SEE HOW THEY HANDLE THINGS HE WANTS THEM TO DO. THINGS TRUMP WILL WANT OUT OF AVP, CARRYING THE AMERICA AGENDA, THE MAKE AMERICA GREAT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO HE CAN GET DONE HE'S WORKING WITH THE HOUSE AND SENATE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO DOES HE TRUST, WHO KNOWS TRUMP WELL, WHO UNDERSTANDS HIM, WHO CAN NAVIGATE THOSE THINGS? ULTIMATELY I THINK THOSE WILL BE THE ISSUES TRUMP IS LOOKING FOR WHEN HE PICKS A RUNNING MATE, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE DECISION. DONALD TRUMP IS RUNNING ADS THAT SAYS IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR BIDEN YOU ARE GETTING, LET HARRIS. I THINK IT WILL MATTER A WHOLE LOT IN THIS I'M COMING UPCOMING DEBATE. >> 28% VIEWED PRESIDENT BIDEN AS TOUGH. HOW DOES PRESIDENT BIDEN SORT OF CHANGE PEOPLE'S MINES TONIGHT TO SHOW THAT HE IS STRONG AND GETS ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF? >> SHOWING THE ENERGY, PART OF IT IS BEING COMMANDING AND HOW HE IS WEAKNESS ACCORDING TO THE POLL. ENERGY AND STAMINA THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE. >> WE THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE. LIVE, A BIDEN CAMPING REPRESENTATIVE, PRESENTED IF JASMINE CROCKETT, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US IN OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE. I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP, AND IT WILL MAKE SENSE AFTER WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW WHICH CLIP I'M GOING TO RUN. LET'S PLAY IT. >> [ LAUGHTER ] >> I THINK-- [ INAUDIBLE ] >> I'M CURIOUS, THIS BETTER UNDERSTAND YOUR RULING AS SOMEONE ON THIS COMMITTEE THEN STARTS TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE'S BEACH BLONDE BUTCH BODY >> WHAT NOW? >> ALL RIGHT. AND TO BE FAIR HERE, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE FIRST CAME AFTER YOU, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAD YOUR REBUTTAL. I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE THIS COULD HAPPEN RIGHT NOW IN POLITICS, RIGHT? SOMEBODY COULD SAY SOMETHING NASTY OR PERSONAL, AND VIEWERS, CITIZENS, THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT, IT, HOW DOES PRESIDENT BIDEN MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? >> I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, BECAUSE SHE'S MODELING HERSELF AFTER TRUMP. WE WERE IN A SERIOUS COMMITTEE HEARING, IN DEALING WITH THE SERIOUS ISSUES. SHE WANTED TO INSULT ME, BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT DEMOCRATS ARE STRONG. WE ARE STRONG, AND WHEN WE HIT, WE HIT HARDER, AND WE HIT IN A VERY INTELLIGENT WAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW OUT OF ME. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS PRESIDENT. IF TRUMP GETS OUT OF LINE, I THINK HE WILL SHUT HIM DOWN IN A VERY INTERESTING WAY, BUT HE WILL ALSO REDIRECT THE FOCUS BACK TO THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS ELECTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. IT'S NOT TRUMP TRYING TO STAY OUT OF PRISON, IT'S HOW WE CAN BETTER THE LIVES OF AMERICAN CITIZENS. >> I WANT TO PUT SOME PULLING OUT FOR REVIEWERS, RECENT POLLING. HE'S NOT PERFORMING AS WELL AS HE DID WITH MINORITIES. 32% OF LATINOS, 20% OF BLACK VOTERS. WHAT DOES PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT TO WIN BACK VOTERS? >> LISTEN, I WISH I COULD SAY THAT POLLS HAD THE FINAL SAY SO- - [ INAUDIBLE ] I'M NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T, BUT HERE'S THE DEAL. I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING OUT OF THE POLLS IS WHAT WAS AND PEOPLE FOUGHT AGAINST IT AND FOUGHT AGAINST IT, BUT WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT OVERWHELMINGLY THESE TWO PEOPLE BECAME THE NOMINEES. SO, ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE POLLING IS PEOPLE SAYING WE AREN'T EXCITED, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ON THE ISSUES DEMOCRATS WIN. WE'VE BEEN OVER PERFORMING, AND WE ARE SWINGING ELECTIONS BY MORE THAN A FEW POINTS. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST. GRANTED, IT MAY BE TRUE. >> IF IT'S TRUE, IF IF VOTERS WAY WHY IS THAT? >> I HAVE NO IDEA. SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I DON'T BELIEVE IT. >> BUT I HEAR >> SO, NO NO NO. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO ALL PEOPLE INCLUDING BLACK MEN AND NEED TO TELL THEM THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO OPEN THAT BUSINESS, THAT YOU HAVE THE FUNDING YOU NEED FOR THAT BUSINESS. WE SAW WHAT TRUMP SUPREME COURT DID THESE ARE BLACK WOMEN WHO WERE TRYING TO SUPPORT BLACK BUSINESSES, AND THEY SHUT THAT DOWN. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION. BUT WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION MADE IT TO WHERE WE ACTUALLY STARTED MORE SMALL BUSINESSES, BLACK-OWNED SMALL BUSINESSES AN IN HISTORY. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THERE ARE MORE JUDGES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE COURT BY ANYBODY WHEN YOU COMBINE THEM, COMBINED THEM, THIS >> JASMINE CROCKETT, GOOD LUCK TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE WILL SPEAK WITH BLACK VOTERS AFTER THE BREAK, AND MORE ON THE NEW WAS RULES. WILL IT KEEP CANDIDATES ON TOPIC? >>> A REPORT LIVE, FROM TEL AVIV, FROM JUAREZ, MEXICO. TONIGHT, TOP STORY REPORTING FROM BALTIMORE AT THE KEY BRIDGE DISASTER. WHEN YOU LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND SEE THE KEY BRIDGE, WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR HEAD? >> THAT BRIDGE HAS BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. IT STILL DOESN'T FEEL REAL. >> HUNDREDS OF ISRAELIS HAVE GATHERED TO DEMONSTRATE. >> A PLACE WHERE PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS HAVE FOUND COMMON GROUND. >> TOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS, STREAMING WEEKDAYS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE ARE INSIDE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT ONE OF THE OAMING CAMERAS AS IT TWIRLS AROUND THE SPIN ROOM I SHOULD SAY, SPINNING AT TIMES. THERE'S A LOT OF SURROGATES OUT THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT GAVIN NEWSOM IN THE HOUSE. WE WANT TO TALK WITH VOTERS. BLACK VOTERS WERE KEY TUBE ITEM'S VICTORY IN 2020, BUT THIS YEAR AS WE MENTIONED HE MIGHT BE FACING AN UPHILL BATTLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE IDENTIFYING AS UNDECIDED. I WANT TO GO TO MY COLLEAGUE, SHAQUILLE BREWSTER, WHERE RECENT POLLS ARE SHOWING BIDEN SLIPPING AMONG BLACK VOTERS. HE IS PULLING AROUND 56. ARE YOU SEEING THAT? >> IT'S THAT SHIFT YOU ARE DESCRIBING RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DIG INTO HERE IN PHILADELPHIA. PHILADELPHIA IS A PLACE WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PAST MONTH WE HAVE SEEN VISITS FROM FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP LAST WEEKEND. WE SAW PRESIDENT BIDEN HERE. SO BOTH CANDIDATES ARE TARGETING BLACK VOTERS. THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE IN PHILADELPHIA, GOING TO WATCH THE DEBATE WITH SOME FOLKS I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO RIGHT NOW. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN IN 2020. KEEP YOUR HANDS UP IF YOU ARE STILL WITH HIM THIS IME AROUND CURRENTLY. ONLY ONE. WHY DID YOU PUT YOUR HAND DOWN? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM HIM THIS TIME AROUND? >> I AM UNDECIDED. THE THINGS IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS, I WANT TO SEE ABOUT THE NEXT FOUR. I WANT TO SEE AND HEAR ABOUT HIS AGENDA. >> WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING FOR THE MOST? >> THE ECONOMY. SUPPORTING OTHER NATIONS. PEACE IN THE WAR. HOUSING, GAS, ALL THESE THINGS AFFECTING US TODAY. >> YOU WOULD LIKE THOSE THINGS TO BE ADDRESSED? WHY ARE YOU WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> BECAUSE, I THINK THAT-- THERE JUST AREN'T THAT MANY OTHER CHOICES. >> FOR YOU, TRUMP IS NOT AN OPTION? >> NO. I DON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE POLICIES THAT HE HAS ENACTED. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINK GROUPS THAT ARE SUPPORTING HIM. AND WHAT THEY HAVE IN STORE FOR THE FUTURE, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >> YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN IN 2020. YOU ARE WITHHOLDING YOUR SUPPORT. WHAT CAN HE SAY TO GET YOUR SUPPORT? >> I DID VOTE FOR BIDEN IN 2020. I VOTED UNCOMMITTED IN THE PRIMARY. I-- UM-- YOU KNOW, IT'S-- REALLY HARD TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS ACTIVELY SUPPORTING GENOCIDE IN GAZA. UM-- THAT'S-- SO-- YOU KNOW-- YOUNG PEOPLE-- UM-- PEOPLE OF COLOR-- PRO PEACE, HAVE BEEN SENDING A MESSAGE TO BIDEN NOW FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, AND HE-- YOU KNOW-- HE IS SIGNALING, BUT HE HAS NOT SAID "WE ARE NOT SENDING ANY MORE ARMS TO ISRAEL." HE IS NOT USING HIS FULL POWER TO PUSH FOR A CEASE-FIRE AND PEACE. AND, AND-- I REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT. YOU KNOW, I NEED BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE ECONOMY IS NOT GREAT FOR WORKING PEOPLE. AND I NEED THEM TO HAVE A POLICY TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE, HOUSING, INFLATION, FOOD COSTS, EVERYTHING IS THROUGH THE ROOF. PEOPLE ARE REALLY STRUGGLING TO READ AND, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE BEING GHASTLY BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHO WAS TELLING US THE ECONOMY IS GREAT, AND THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS. >> IN THE POLLING YOU HAVE THE ECONOMY IS THE NUMBER-ONE ISSUE FOR VOTERS AND YOU HEAR THAT REFLECT DID IN THESE VOTERS. >> SHAQUILLE BREWSTER, THANK YOU. THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES SHUT OUT COMPLETELY TONIGHT WITH THE CANDIDATES AND CNN MAKING THEIR OWN RULES. GOVERNMENT AND POLITICS REPORTER ATLANTA CONSTITUTIONAL JOURNAL JOINS US, AND SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT AT VANITY FAIR WHO KNOWS EXTENSIVELY ABOUT TELEVISION NEWS. LET'S TAKE A LOOK OVER AT THIS BEAUTIFUL SPIN ROOM HERE. I THINK THIS SPEAKS TO HOW BEAUTIFUL GEORGIA IS AS A BATTLEGROUND STATE. >> IT PROBABLY WILL BE THE PREMIER BATTLEGROUND STATE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. VIVEK RAMASWAMY, GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM AND OTHERS, THEY ARE ALL ALREADY PREPARING FOR 2028. >> WHY IS GEORGIA A GOOD PLACE FOR A DEBATE? >> WE ARE THE PREMIER BATTLEGROUND STATE. 12,000 VOTES DIVIDED DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN. ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPLIT TICKET VOTERS WILLING TO VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, THAT MAKES THE STATE UP FOR GRABS. >> WE ARE IN SORT-OF UNCHARTED TERRITORY, TALKING ABOUT HOW HISTORIC THIS NIGHT IS. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A ROLE THIS TIME AROUND, THEY HAVE CANCELED FUTURE DEBATES, AND THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE MODERATORS. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ALREADY STARTED HIS ATTACKS ON JAKE TAPPER AND DANA BASH. I WANT TO PLAY SOMETHING, AND HOW FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT RECENTLY. TAKE A LOOK. >> IT MUST BE SAID PARAPHRASED PRESIDENT FORD PRETENDS OF FOR TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS THEIR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER. >> YOU KNOW I AGREED TO DO A DEBATE WITH CROOKED JOE BIDEN-- ON CNN-- WITH-- JAKE TAPPER. AND-- I THINK IT WILL BE FAIR. DOES ANYBODY THINK THEY WILL BE FAIR? THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> I PLAYED YOU THAT CLIP, BECAUSE THIS IS SORT OF FAIR GAME. THIS IS SOMETHING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY GO AFTER, CNN, IF THE DEBATE DOES NOT GO HIS WAY. >> HE'S PORTRAYING HIMSELF AS IF HE IS GOING INTO THE LIONS' DEN. I THINK WHAT WE WILL SEE FROM THE MODERATORS IS A DIFFERENT APPROACH. THEY WILL TRY TO BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND AND NOT BE PART OF THE STORY. I INTERVIEWED FORMER MODERATORS, THEY SAID THAT'S THE RIGHT STRATEGY. MAKE A DEBATE HAVE BEEN ON STAGE. WE ARE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE POLITICAL LYING IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. AND IT'S NOT JUST TRUMP. I THINK IT WILL BE THE PERSON WHO PRESSES THE MICROPHONE MUTE BUTTON. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH WHO WINS THIS DEBATE. >> YOU WERE AN ANCHOR AT CNN AND SPENT TIME ON PRIME TIME FACT CHECKING. HOW IS THIS PLAYING OUT FOR CNN? BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE REAL-TIME FACT CHECKING. IS THIS OKAY WITH THE REST OF CNN? >> THIS PUTS TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON CNN. WE'VE NEVER SEEN A DEBATE HELD IN THIS WAY, SO THE PRESSURE IS SKY HIGH. WE HAVE PEOPLE PREPARING FOR WEEKS FOR THIS. IT COMES DOWN TO THE QUESTION OF WHEN TO INTERJECT, WHEN TO INTERRUPT, AND WHEN NOT TO. WHEN IT COMES TO A DEBATE, PRESSURE WILL BE ON BIDEN TO FACT CHECK TRUMP AND TRUMP TO FACT CHECK BIDEN. >> WE APPRECIATE IT. >>> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AND NEWLY- APPOINTED RNC COCHAIR, WILL JOIN US ON IF THIS WILL BE A FAIR DEBATE. MORE COVERAGE JUST AHEAD. ♪ >>> NOW IS RAW. >> HOW HARD IS IT TO SEE IT LIKE THIS? >> OUR HOUSE IS NO LONGER HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE. >> LET'S BREAK DOWN WHAT WE KNOW AND THE QUESTIONS STILL OUTSTANDING. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> THE PAPER TOWEL WILL ABSORB THE ACID. >> THAT'S CRAZY. >> GREEN TEA TO CALM ACNE. >> THIS IS MY FAVORITE TIP OF THE DAY. >> REALLY AND, BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT. >> YOU JUST HELPED ME SAVE 40 BUCKS. ♪ >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN 2024. YOU ARE LOOKING LIVE RIGHT NOW AT THE SPIN ROOM, BEAUTIFUL RED CARPET THERE. A LOT OF POLITICAL JOURNALISTS AND SURROGATES OUT THERE. WE HAVE SEEN GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM, SENATOR WARNOCK, VIVEK RAMASWAMY, AND SOMEONE RELATED TO HIM, SOMEONE WHO MARRIED INTO THE FAMILY, HERE, LARA TRUMP, TAKING ON A HUGE ROLE AS CHAIRMAN OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE. TAKE US INSIDE THE CAMPAIGN. WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW? >> I THINK FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE'S PREPARED FOR THE DEBATE MORE SO BY DOING INTERVIEWS AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY THAN HE NEEDS TO STUDY A LOT OF ISSUES. HE WAS THE PRESIDENT FOR FOUR YEARS. ALL THE ISSUES THAT I THINK WILL COME UP ARE THINGS HE WILL TALK ABOUT, THAT HE WAS PRESENT, THAT'S HIS JOB, IS TO REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT AMERICA WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT. I THINK YOU SEE HIM OUT THERE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL DOING RALLIES, AND HE'S NO DIFFERENT THAN HE WAS FOUR YEARS AGO. >> DID YOU THINK THIS MOMENT WOULD HAPPEN? DID YOU THINK WE WOULD EVER BE HERE? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. HONESTLY, I'M THRILLED WE ARE HERE, BUT NO. I THINK IT WAS A SURPRISE TO ALL OF US WHEN WE HEARD THAT NOT ONLY THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WANTED TO DO THE DEBATE BUT DO IT IN JUNE. >> I HAVE BEEN ASKING BIDEN SURROGATES WHY PRESIDENT BIDEN CHOSE TO HAVE THE PODIUM ON THE RIGHT, HE GOT TO CHOOSE THAT, DONALD TRUMP GETS TO HAVE THE FINAL WORD, WHY DID FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WANT TO HAVE THIS DEBATE STANDING AND NOT SITTING? >> HE, I WOULD ASSUME, THINKS THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO TEST STAMINA AND VITALITY. THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THE COUNTRY WE ARE LIVING IN. >> THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ON ATTACKS ON YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW AND THEY INCLUDE HIS MENTAL STANDING AND HEALTH. >> I THINK IT IS COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED. YOU'VE SEEN BIDEN LOOK NOT COHESIVELY ALL THERE, AND I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THIS IS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. >> TO BE FAIR COME YOUR FATHER IN-LAW ALSO WAS TALKING ABOUT NANCY PELOSI AND KEPT SAYING NIKKI HALEY AND WAS TALKING ABOUT SHARKS AND SOME SHARK ATTACK AND BEING ELECTROCUTED, LIKE WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? >> WELL, MISTAKES HAPPEN, BUT THE COMPARISON BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN IN THIS TERM IS, I MEAN, IT IS NOT COMPARABLE. >> SO, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ON THE OFFENSE. THERE'S ALSO A BILLBOARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT, DNC BOUGHT A BILLBOARD, YEAH, THEY PUT IT UP SAYING DONALD WELCOME TO ATLANTA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE BECOMING A CONVICTED FELON, SO THEY ARE GETTING GGRESSIVE IN TRYING TO GET UNDER HIS SKIN. WILL IT WORK? >> I THINK THE POINT OF THAT IS TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS A CONVICTED FELON, AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR DEMOCRATS I DON'T THINK IT'S WORKED. YOU SAW IT CHANGED NOTHING IN TERMS OF HOLDING POST VERDICT FOR TRUMP IN FACT WE RAISED $70 MILLION AND 48 HOURS, FROM PEOPLE WHO NEVER ONCE DONATED TO DONALD TRUMP IN THE ELECTION CYCLE. PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT, THEY WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK. THEY WANT AFFORDABILITY. THEY DON'T WANT ANOTHER WAR BREAKING OUT AROUND THE WORLD. THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO PEOPLE, SO LOOK. IF YOU THINK ABOUT GETTING UNDER DONALD TRUMP'S SKIN, THEY'VE BEEN COMING ON STRONG AT TRUMP FOR NINE YEARS. I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A PROBLEM. >> DO YOU THINK DONALD TRUMP WILL GET A FAIR DEBATE TONIGHT? >> I THINK IT WILL BE TOUGH, TO BE HONEST, WITH ALL THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT SEEM TO BE THERE FOR JOE BIDEN-- >> LIKE WHAT? >> TURNING OFF THE MICROPHONE SO HE CAN'T GET IN A LITTLE QUIT AFTERWARDS. >> TO BE FAIR, HE INTERRUPT IT HIM 140 TIMES. >> OH, YOU HAVE A NUMBER? WELL, I THINK THAT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE YOU ALWAYS GET YOUR MESSAGE ACROSS, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THEY WANT TO TURN MICROPHONES OFF SO PEOPLE CAN HEAR, BUT YOU WON'T GET THOSE GREAT MOMENTS LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS DEBATES. THERE WAS A ONE BETWEEN TRUMP AND CLINTON WHERE SHE SAID GOOD THING OR YOU WOULD BE IN JAIL. THERE IS NO AUDIENCE IN THERE, I ASSUME THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT A LOT OF NOISE, MAYBE THAT'S DISTRACTING TO BIDEN. I DON'T KNOW. IT HONESTLY DOESN'T BOTHER TRUMP, BECAUSE HE MEETS WITH PEOPLE REGULARLY. THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THIS DEBATE AND PREVIOUS DEBATES ARE INTERESTING, THEN, YOU HAVE THE MODERATORS, WHO I WILL HELP, TOM, HAVE A VERY FAIR LINE OF QUESTIONING, AND HOLD THEM TO ACCOUNT FOR-- >> REPUTATION COVERING POLITICS FOR DECADES, AND THEY BOTH SAID THERE WON'T BE REAL-TIME FACT CHECKING, IT WILL BE AFTERWARDS. IS THAT A GOOD IDEA? >> WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD BE FACT CHECKING. IT TOOK US SEVEN YEARS TO FACT CHECK THE FACT DONALD TRUMP NEO- NAZIS AND MANUFACTURED, THEY LEFT OUT THE PART WHERE HE DID NOT SAY NEO-NAZIS ARE FINE PEOPLE. FACT CHECKING IS >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WHAT THIS BIG BEAUTIFUL CONVENTION IN MILWAUKEE AS TRUMP SAID, HE ALSO SAID HE WILL ANNOUNCE HIS RUNNING MATE THERE. IT FEELS LIKE THE APPRENTICE. >> YEAH, A LITTLE BIT. >> THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THIS GAME, GOVERNOR DOUG BURGUM, SENATOR JD VANCE, AND SENATOR MARCO RUBIO. WHO GETS PICKED? >> [ LAUGHTER ] >> THERE WE GO. >> HERE'S THE THING I WILL SAY. WE HAVE A GREAT SLATE OF CANDIDATES. KEEP IN MIND THE FACT WHEN HE WINS IN NOVEMBER HE WILL ONLY HAVE FOUR YEARS. WE WANT TO TAKE THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA FORWARD, AND HE WANTS A RUNNING MATE WHO ALSO HAS THE SAME VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND ALL THOSE FOLKS YOU JUST MENTIONED ARE GREAT CANDIDATES, GREAT PEOPLE, WHO WILL DO THAT. WHOEVER HE PICKS, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL BE-- EXPECT A YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO HE'S GOING TO PICK? >> HE'S ALREADY TOLD SOME PEOPLE. >> TURNED 16, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >>> WE ARE LESS THAN 30 MINUTES AWAY FROM THE DEBATE GABE GUTIERREZ JOINS US LIVE NOW FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WATCH PARTY. I'M SURE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN LOVED THAT INTERVIEW WE JUST DID. >> HEY THERE, TOM, IT'S HARD TO HEAR. PEOPLE ARE STILL TRICKLING IN. WE ARE A FEW MINUTES AWAY. THIS IS WHAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO DO . THEY ARE TRYING TO DRUM UP ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS DEBATE. THERE ARE WATCH PARTIES HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE JUST MET WHITNEY OVER HERE. YOU ARE A JOE BIDEN SUPPORTER. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN AT THIS DEBATE? >> I'M SUPER EXCITED TO BE HERE, AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT JOE BIDEN, BECAUSE I THINK HIS MORALS AND VALUES ALIGN WITH MINE. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE LOOK OUT FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T THAT CANNOT LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, AND HE'S THE ONLY CANDIDATE ON THAT BALLOT RIGHT NOW. >> YOU WERE TELLING US EARLIER YOUR TOP ISSUE IS REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. HOW IMPORTANT GOING INTO THIS DEBATE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PRESIDENT? >> I DON'T THINK TODAY IS A TIME TO CELEBRATE. I AM GLAD THEY WILL GIVE THAT EXCEPTION FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, BUT I NEED TO HEAR FROM BIDEN THAT HE IS GOING TO TRY AND RESTORE WOMEN'S RIGHTS. >> THE POLLS SHOW MANY VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. HOW DO YOU RESPOND? ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HIS AGE? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HIS AGE. I THINK HIS MIND IS STILL INTACT. I THINK HE IS OUT THERE FIGHTING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE . >> THANK THANK YOU. TOM, THESE ARE WHAT THE CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO DO NOW, WE ARE IN THE MAIN STRETCH OF THIS CAMPAIGN. SO AGAIN, WE ARE JUST A FEW MINUTES AWAY. WE WILL EXPECT THIS ROOM TO GET MORE FULL IN A FEW MINUTES. >> WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, GABE GUTIERREZ, ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. WE HAVE TWO POLITICAL PROFESSIONALS TO HELP US BREAK DOWN ISSUES AND STRATEGIES. DIRECTIVE COMMUNICATIONS, MARK MOTTER JOINS US BACK, AND FORMER SENIOR ADVISER AND SPOKESPERSON FOR HILLARY CLINTON. PHILIPPE, YOU PLAYED DONALD TRUMP FAMOUSLY IN THE DEBATE REP FOR HILLARY CLINTON. HOW DID YOU CREATE THAT TRUMP ROLE, AND WHAT BENEFIT WAS IT TO HILLARY CLINTON? >> I THINK IN THE YEARS SINCE WE'VE ALL HAD A GOOD DOSE OF IT, AND MOST OF AMERICA COULD PROBABLY PUT ON A GOOD IMPERSONATION. YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD TO DEBATE PREP, WHICH I KNOW MY COUNTERPART WILL SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T PARTICIPATE IN, WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE, HE SIMPLY DOES. IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, IT MIGHT BE UNORTHODOX, BUT HE ABSOLUTELY PREPARED. TO GIVE THE CANDIDATES OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE SCENARIOS, IT IS DIFFERENT VERSUS SAY MITT ROMNEY. DONALD TRUMP WAS LEARNING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP IN TERMS OF THE SETTINGS. SO, I THINK DEBATING IS ARGUING AND DISAGREEING, AND DONALD TRUMP HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR 78 YEARS. >> I WANT TO ASK AS HE PREPARED HILLARY CLINTON FOR THE DEBATE, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. AS HE PREPARED HILLARY CLINTON, WHAT SURPRISED YOU ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PERFORMANCE? >> REALLY NOTHING, BECAUSE HE'S AN INCREDIBLY PREDICTABLE UNPREDICTABLE PERSON. WATCHING THAT DEBATES AND RALLIES, HE REALLY DID NOT VARY MUCH. AND HE'S A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE THAN FOUR YEARS AGO. HE HAS A LIST OF GRIEVANCES OF THINGS THAT BOTHER HIM, AND POLICIES LIKE IMMIGRATION AND INFLATION THAT HE REALLY RELISHES GOING AFTER. TO TAKE ISSUE WITH WHAT WE STARTED HE HAS DEBATED ONE ON ONE FIVE TIMES, THREE VERSUS HILLARY, TWO AGAINST JOE BIDEN. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WITH A STRAIGHT FACE CAN SAY HE WON ANY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE. YOU COULD SAY THE OTHERS DIDN'T. HE IS JUST ON TV AND RANTING IS NOT BEING A GOOD DEBATER. THAT'S NOT JUST ME STANDING UP FOR MIGHT CANDIDATE, WHICH I AM, BUT THAT HE COMES IN, AND HE'S SO INTENT ON SHOWING JOE BIDEN AS THIS FEEBLE, SENILE OLD MAN, AND HE THROWS EVERYTHING AT HIM, BOTH PERSONAL, BOTH NEGATIVE, AND FRANKLY, JUST A BLIZZARD OF DATA AND FIGURES THAT MIGHT BE MADE UP. >> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> LOOK, TO BE THE PERSON THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN STICK WITH HIM AFTER HIS CONVICTION. >> YEAH. SO, YOU CAN FIRE BACK IF YOU WANT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT TRUMP, WHO TALKS ABOUT A LIST OF GRIEVANCES. HOW DOES HE TURN THAT INTO DEBATE POINTS THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO VIEWERS? >> I WOULD SUGGEST HE NOT GO INTO WHETHER THE LEGAL SIDE OR RELITIGATING 2020, WHAT THESE ELECTIONS ARE ABOUT IS THE FUTURE. AND I THINK ON THE POLICY FRONTS, WHERE IT IS INFLATION, THE ECONOMY, THE BORDER, THE WARS, ALL THOSE THINGS. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE PLAYING TO DONALD TRUMP OFF HIS STRENGTHS, AND PEOPLE LIKE HIS RESULTS BETTER THAN THEY LIKE JOE BIDEN'S RESULTS. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER TO PEOPLE AT HOME, YOUR WINNING THE DEBATE. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER TO YOU PERSONALLY, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE WINNING STRATEGY. >> AFTER OBSERVING TRUMP IN THOSE DEBATES WITH HILLARY CLINTON, DID YOU FIND THE STRATEGY KNOCKED HIM OFFKILTER? >> YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH WHAT MARC JUST SAID, BECAUSE THE VERY BEGINNING OF A PUBLIC STATEMENT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP SHOULDN'T COME IN AND TALK ABOUT HIS GRIEVANCES, THAT'S EXACTLY THE ADVICE I THINK MOST WOULD GIVE, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE GROUND HIM, BUT IN TERMS OF LEARNING ABOUT HIM, HE'S A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE NOW THAN EIGHT YEARS AGO, BECAUSE THEN, HE REALLY DID HAVE A STRONG MESSAGE OF IMMIGRATION, OBAMA CARE, AND HE HAD A HEALTHY DOSE OF ATTACKS ON HILLARY REED FOR 2020 HE REALLY JUST BECAME VERY MAD OR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ABOUT RUSSIA, THE IMPEACHMENT, AND THAT ADDED TO WHAT HE FEELS. THE CONVICTION, THE GAG ORDER, AND THE REASON I'M GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT, IN A WAY, IT WAS EASY TO TRIGGER HIM. WITHIN SECONDS OF THE END HILLARY BROUGHT UP MELISSA MACHADO, I BELIEVE, A BEAUTY PAGEANT CONTEST CONTESTANT, AND DONALD CALLED HER FAT OR IF YOU WATCH THE RESPONSE IT'S VERY UNNERVED. IT'S HARD TO DO THAT WITH HIM NOW, BECAUSE HE IS IN THAT HEADSPACE TO BEGIN WITH. HE IS ERRATIC IN TERMS OF-- >> YEAH I HEAR YOU. >> LIKE HOW MUCH POWER HE HAS ON ATTACK. HE'S IN THAT BAND WITH-- >> WE GOT TO GO. YEAH. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE-- >> [ INAUDIBLE ] >> LISTENING. >> YEAH YOU I'M GOOD. PHILIPPE , MARC, THANK YOU. I WANT TO BRING IN TRULY THE BEST OF THE BEST HERE. MEET THE PRESS MODERATOR, KRISTIN WELKER, CHUCK TODD, STEVE KORNACKI, AND HALLIE JACKSON. I THINK WE ALMOST HAVE A BASKETBALL TEAM. KRISTEN WELKER, WHAT MAKES TONIGHT'S DEBATE SO IMPORTANT? >> A COUPLE OF THINGS, TOM. TONIGHT IS ONE OF THE FIRST REALLY BIG CHANCES BIDEN IS TRAILING WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR WITH NOT ONLY NATIONALLY BUT BATTLEGROUND STATES, AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THIS RACE FOR BIDEN TO TALK ABOUT HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS, WHAT HE BELIEVES HIS RECORD IS ON THE BOARD. HE'S TRYING TO FLIP THE SCRIPT ON DONALD TRUMP MAKING THAT A CRITICAL ISSUE, AND THE RIGHT, HE WILL TAKE THE GLOVES OFF I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMPS CRIMINAL CONVICTION. BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER, TOM. I THINK THIS WILL BE A DEBATE OF THE PERFORMANCES OF THESE TWO CANDIDATES AS IT UNFOLDS TONIGHT. IF DONALD TRUMP IS UNHINGED, IF BIDEN HAS A BIG MISSTEP, THOSE THINGS COULD WIND UP DOMINATING THE DEBATE. BUT THIS DEBATE IS A CHANCE FOR THINGS TO BE SHAKEN UP. >> CHUCK, I WANT YOU TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE AND GIVE US YOUR INSIDE SCOOP AS WELL. THE MICROPHONES WILL BE CUT OFF. THERE'S ALSO THIS ISSUE OF FACT CHECKING, AND AS A LOYAL LISTENER TO THE CHUCK TODDCAST, >> LOOK, I THINK THE CANDIDATES ARE THERE TO FACT CHECK EACH OTHER. AND THAT IS THE FIRST PLACE IT SHOULD HAPPEN. I THINK MODERATORS NEED TO HAVE A LIGHT TOUCH ON THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS CORRECTING A FACT, AND THERE'S PARTICIPATING IN THE DEBATE LIKE YOU ARE HAVING THE BACK AND FORTH. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT AND DON'T MEAN TO DO IT, TRUST ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU RUN A TALKSHOW AND ARE USED TO JUMPING IN, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE VIEWERS. LET'S SEE HOW THE CANDIDATES FACT-CHECK EACH OTHER. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEBATE YOU REALLY COULD DISRUPT THE FLOW. AND AGAIN, DO A DISSERVICE TO THE VOTERS. IS CANDIDATE X AWARE CANDIDATE Y WAS WRONG ON THIS? >> THE STAKES ARE HIGH FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THEY SAY THEY HAVE LOWERED THE BAR FOR THE BIDEN TEAM. WHAT'S A VICTORY FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN? JUST SURVIVE, OR DELIVER? >> THERE IS THIS TALK OF THE EXPECTATIONS GAME. IT WAS INTERESTING, RIGHT TWO PEOPLE ON DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. ALL BIDEN HAS TO DO IS LIKE NOT PASS OUT, AND HILLARY CLINTON SUGGESTED FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP JUST HAS TO NOT CATCH FIRE. THE IDEA FOR BOTH CANDIDATES HOW THEY ARE TREATING THIS DEBATE I GET THE SENSE BOTH OF THEM ARE TREATING THIS WITH AT LEAST THE RESPECT OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF AUDIENCE COULD HAVE. WHETHER WE WILL SEE A DISCIPLINED TRUMP OR AN ENERGETIC BIDEN, THERE WILL BE EYEBALLS ON THIS DEBATE. AND IN MANY WAYS, IT'S A KEY MOMENT HEADING INTO THE CONVENTION AND MAKING THAT TURN AFTER LABOR DAY FOR DEBATE NUMBER TWO. THAT'S COMING UP IN THE FALL WITH MORE PEOPLE PRESUMABLY IN THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. >> STEVE, I WANT TO ASK, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING, 6% OF VOTERS IN SIX STATES WILL DECIDE THIS ELECTION. WHAT DO VOTERS WANT TO HEAR ABOUT? WHAT DO THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT TO MAKE A DECISION? >> I THINK WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT HERE IS AT A BASIC LEVEL HERE, ABOUT HOW THESE GUYS HANDLE THEMSELVES. AGE LOOMS OVER THIS RACE, BUT THE REALITY OF WHERE THE SELECTION IS HEADED, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE OF THOSE STATES THOSE WERE BIDEN STATES IN 2020. ALL SIX OF THOSE. LOOKING AT THE POLLING AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS YOU SEE THREE OF THOSE THAT TRUMP IS BETTER POSITIONED THAN THAN THE OTHER THREE. THAT WOULD BE GEORGIA, NEVADA AT LEAST IN THE POLLING'S WITH NONWHITE VOTERS THAT STATES WITH LARGER AMOUNTS OF NONWHITE VOTERS. IF HE FLIPPED ALL SIX OF THOSE STATES, HE WOULD GET 268 ELECTORAL VOTES. YOU NEED 270. THEN HE WOULD NEED TO FLIP TWO. IF BIDEN CAN PROTECT HIS HOLDINGS HE CAN PROBABLY HOLD ON AS PRESIDENT. >> I'LL GIVE YOU THE FINAL WOR . FINAL THOUGHTS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE START OF THE DEBATE. >> I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR FIREWORKS TONIGHT. I THINK THESE CANDIDATES, BOTH CAMPAIGNS THINK THEY ARE ON A TRUCK TO WIN NOW. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE COVERAGE OF A SIMULCAST THE DEBATE AS WE GO LIVE FROM ATLANTA. IT WILL BE A HUGE NIGHT FOR POLITICS AND A HUGE NAME FOR THE TWO CANDIDATES ON THE STAGE. WE WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING OUR SPECIAL COVERS LIFE FROM ATLANTA RIGHT HERE ON NBC NEWS NOW. WE WANT YOU TO STAY RIGHT HERE THOUGH BECAUSE FROM HERE WE WILL PICK UP THAT SIMULCAST WITH LESTER HOLT ANCHORING OUR COVERAGE. IT WILL BE A BIG NIGHT IF YOU LOVE POLITICS AND THIS COUNTRY. IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR, STAY RIGHT THERE. THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS GOING TO BEGIN IN JUST MOMENTS. GIVE ME THIS 10 SECOND COUNT. A LIVE LOOK RIGHT NOW. WE WILL TAKE YOU INTO THAT DEBATE IN ABOUT 8 SECONDS. THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TO BEGIN. >> TONIGHT, A SHOWDOWN UNLIKE ANY OTHER IN RECENT HISTORY. >> JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP, FACE TO FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FOUR YEARS. >> BOTH MEN ON STAGE FOR A HISTORIC DEBATE AND A PIVOTAL REMATCH WITH THE WHITE HOUSE. >> FROM NBC NEWS, HERE ARE LESTER HOLT AND SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HOSTED BY CNN. >> THESE TWO MEN HAVE DEBATED IN THE PAST BUT THIS TIME WILL LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT. >> THE DEBATE IS BEING HELD AT A TV STUDIO AFTER THEY BYPASSED THE COMMISSION THAT HOSTED THE DEBATE SINCE THE 1980s. >> SO THERE IS NO AUDIENCE TONIGHT AND THE MIC WILL BE MUTED AFTER THE CANDIDATE'S SPEAKING TIME IS UP. >> THERE WILL BE TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS THIS EVENING. >> IT IS ABOUT TO BEGIN. CNN, ABOUT TO BROADCAST THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. LET'S LISTEN. >> JUST OVER FOUR MONTHS UNTIL ELECTION DAY. GOOD EVENING. I AM DANA BASH, INKERMAN SIDE POLITICS AND KILLING CURVE STATE OF THE YUAN. >> I AM JAKE TAPPER, CO-ANCHOR OF STATE OF THE UNION. WE WILL CO-MODERATE. WE WILL FACILITATE A DEBATE BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES TONIGHT. BEFORE WE INTRODUCE THEM, WE WANT TO SHARE THE ROLES WITH THE AUDIENCE AT HOME. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN AND PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE ON THE RIGHT. A COIN TO DETERMINE THEIR POSITION. EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AND ONE MINUTE EACH FOR RESPONSES AND REBUTTAL. ADDITIONAL FOLLOW-UP IS AT THED MODERATOR'S DISCRETION. >> WHEN IT IS TIME FOR A CANDIDATE TO SPEAK, HIS MICROPHONE WILL BE TURNED ON AND THE OPPONENT'S MICROPHONE WILL BE TURNED OFF SO IF A CANDIDATE INTERRUPTS WHEN HIS MICROPHONE IS MUTED, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR AT HOME. AT THE END OF THE DEBATE, EACH CANDIDATE WILL GET TWO MINUTES FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS. THERE IS NO STUDIO AUDIENCE NIGHT. CONTACT WITH CAMPAIGN STAFF ARE NOT PERMITTED TRYING TO DEBATE. BY ACCEPTING OUR INVITATION TO DEBATE, BOTH CANDIDATES AND THE CAMPAIGNS AGREED TO ACCEPT THESE RULES. >> NOW, PLEASE WELCOME THE 44th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, JOE BIDEN. AN PLEASE WELCOME THE 45th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP DONALD TRUMP. GENTLEMEN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. LET'S BEGIN THE DEBATE GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. LET US BEGIN THE DEBATE WITH VOTERS CONSISTENTLY SAY IS THEIR TOP CONCERN. THE ECONOMY. PRESIDENT BIDEN, INFLATION HAS SLOWED BUT PRICES REMAIN HIGH. SINCE YOU TALK HIGH, OF GROCERIES THAT COST A BASKET OF GROCERIES THE COST $100 THEN NOW COSTS MORE THAN $120. AND TYPICAL HOME PRICES HAVE JUMPED MORE THAN 30%. WHAT YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO FEEL THEY ARE WORSE OFF UNDER YOUR PRESIDENCY THAN THEY WERE UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WHAT MR. TRUMP SAID, WE HAVE AN ECONOMY. THE PANDEMIC WAS SO BAD BUT WE HANDLED IT. PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS NOT THAT SERIOUS AND PEOPLE WERE INJECTING LEACH INTO THEIR ARMS. COLLAPSED. IT WAS TERRIBLE. WHAT WE HAD TO DO WAS TRY TO PUT THINGS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAD TO DO. WE CREATED NEW JOBS AND WENT OUT TO A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE 800,000 NEW MANUFACTURING JOBS AND THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE. THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE. I COME FROM SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA. WHERE THE KITCHEN TABLE WAS NOT ABLE TO KEEP FOOD EVERY MONTH. IT WAS A PROBLEM. THE PRICE OF HOUSING. THAT IS WHY I AM WORKING SO HARD TO DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE TO REDUCE THE PRICE OF HOUSING. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE TO REDUCE THE UNITS. WE DO NOT WANT CORPORATE GREED TO TAKEOVER. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE IF YOU HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT ALL THAT WAS DONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION, HE DID NOT DO MUCH AT ALL. BY THE TIME HE LEFT IT WAS COMPLETE CHAOS. SO I SAID, WE MAKE SURE TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE NOW BROUGHT DOWN THE PRICE OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. $15 FOR AN INSULIN SHOP. IT WAS $400. A SENIOR HAS TO PAY MORE THAN $400 FOR ALL THE DRUGS. NEXT YEAR. ALL AMERICANS. SO WE ARE WORKING TO BRING DOWN THE PRICES FROM THE KITCHEN TABLE AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET DONE. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WE HAD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY AND HAD NEVER DONE SO WELL. EVERYBODY WAS AMAZED BY IT. OTHER COUNTRIES WERE COPPING IT. WE GOT HIT BY COVID AND WHEN WE DID WE SPENT THE MONEY NECESSARY SO WE WOULD NOT END UP IN A GREAT DEPRESSION, LIKE THE LIKES OF 1929. WE GOT A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THE ECONOMY AND THE MILITARY AND NO WARS AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS. EVERYTHING WAS GOING GOOD. BUT I THINK WE NEVER GOT THE CREDIT FOR AND WE SHOULD HAVE WAS GETTING US OUT OF THE COVID MESS. HE CREATED MANDATES THAT WAS A DISASTER FOR OUR COUNTRY BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE HAD GIVEN THEM BACK A COUNTRY WHERE THE STOCK MARKET WAS ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN PRE-COVID AND NOBODY THOUGHT THAT WAS EVEN POSSIBLE. THE ONLY JOBS HE CREATED WERE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND BOUNCE BACK JOBS. THE BOUNCE BACK FROM THE COVID. HE HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB AND INFLATION IS KILLING OUR COUNTRY. IT IS ACTUALLY KILLING US. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> LOOK, THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THAT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE HE HAS REWARDED THE WEALTHY. THE LARGEST TAX BREAKS IN HISTORY. $2.2 TRILLION. HE RAISED A LARGE DEFICIT. THE ONLY PRESIDENT WHO LOST MORE JOBS WAS HOOVER THAN HIM WHEN HE BEGAN. AND THE MILITARY. AND WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, THEY WERE STILL KILLING PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN AND HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. WE HAD THIS NOTION THAT WE WERE A SAFE COUNTRY. THE TRUTH IS I AM THE ONLY PRESIDENT THIS CENTURY -- THIS DECADE -- THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY TROOPS DYING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD LIKE HE DID. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP IF I CAN. >> I AM NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO HIM? >> I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP. YOU WANT TO PROPOSE A 10% TARIFF ON ALL GOODS COMING INTO THE U.S. HOW WILL YOU ENSURE THAT DOES NOT DRIVE PRICES EVEN HIGHER? >> YOU WILL NOT DRIVE THEM HIGHER. IT WOULD JUST COST COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPING US OFF FOR YEARS LIKE CHINA. IT WILL JUST FORCE THEM TO PAY US A LOT OF MONEY, REDUCE OUR DEFICIT TREMENDOUSLY. HE MADE A STATEMENT. THE ONLY THINGS HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT IS I GIVE YOU THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY. I ALSO GIVE YOU THE LARGEST REGULATIONS CUT IN HISTORY. THAT IS WHY WE HAD ALL THE JOBS. HE IS NFTAKING THED IT CREDIT BOUNCE BACK JOBS. HE SAID HE INHERITED 9% INFLATION. NO. HE INHERITED ALMOST NO INFLATION AND THEN IT BLEW UP UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. IT WAS PROBABLY THE WORST ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY. AS FAR AS AFGHANISTAN IS CONCERNED, I WAS GETTING OUT WITH DIGNITY, WITH STRENGTH, WITH POWER. HE GOT OUT AND IT WAS THE MOST EMBARRASSING DAY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY'S LIFE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, UNDER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS UNDER BOTH OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION FEE NATIONAL DEBT SOARED TO RECORD HIGHS. ACCORDING TO A NEW NON PARTISAN, YOU HAVE APPROVED 3.3 TRILLION IN NEW DEBT AND MR. BIDEN, 4.4 TRILLION. LAW ARE SET NEXT YEAR SO MANY OF THE TAX CUTS ARE TO EXPIRE NEXT YEAR. WITH THE U.S. FACING TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS AND RECORD DEBT, WHY SHOULD CORPORATIONS PAY EVEN LESS IN TAXES THAN THEY DO NOW? >> BECAUSE THE TAX CUTS SPURRED THE GREATEST ECONOMY THAT WE EVER SEEN JUST PRIOR TO COVID. IT WAS SO STRONG WE WERE ABLE TO GET MUCH BETTER THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY. WHEN WE GOT THE TAXES, AN EXAMPLE OF THE CORPORATE TAXES CUT DOWN TO 21% FROM 39% PLUS BEYOND THAT WE TALK IN MORE REVENUE WITH MUCH LESS TAX AND COMPANIES WERE BRINGING BACK TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO OUR COUNTRY. THE COUNTRY WAS GOING LIKE NEVER BEFORE AND WE WERE READY TO START PAYING DOWN DEBT AND START USING THE LIQUID GOLD RIGHT UNDER OUR FEET. OIL AND GOLD RIGHT UNDER OUR FEET. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS HAD. WE GOT HIT WITH COVID. WE DID A LOT TO FIX IT. WE GAVE HIM AN UNBELIEVABLE SITUATION WITH ALL OF THE THERAPEUTICS AND THINGS THAT WE CAME UP WITH. WE GAVE HIM SOMETHING GOOD. REMEMBER, MORE PEOPLE DIED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION EVEN THOUGH WE HAD LARGELY FIXED IT. MORE PEOPLE DIED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION THEN OUR ADMINISTRATION AND WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. SOMETHING PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AND YET FAR MORE PEOPLE DYING IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. HE DID THE MANDATE WHICH WAS A DISASTER. A DISASTER MANDATING IT. THE VACCINE WENT OUT AND HE DID A MANDATE WHICH IS THE THING PEOPLE MOST OBJECTED TO ABOUT THE VACCINE AND HE DID A VERY POOR JOB. JUST A VERY POOR JOB. NOT ONLY FOR THEIR BUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WORLD WE ARE NO LONGER RESPECTED AS A COUNTRY. THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR LEADERSHIP. THEY DON'T RESPECT THE UNITED STATES ANYMORE. LIKE A THIRD WORLD BETWEEN THE WEAPONIZATION OF HIS ELECTION TRYING TO GO AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. ALL THE THINGS HE HAS DONE WE HAVE BECOME LIKE A THIRD WORLD NATION AND IT IS A SHAME. THE DAMAGE HE HAS DONE TO OUR COUNTRY AND I WOULD LOVE TO ASK HIM AND WILL WHY HE ALLOWED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE FROM PRISONS, JAILS, AND MENTAL INSTITUTIONS TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY AND DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE WILL GET TO IMMIGRATION LATER IN THIS. PRESIDENT BIDEN, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NATIONAL DEBT. >> LARGEST NATIONAL DEBT OF ANY PRESENT NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, A $2 TRILLION TAX CUT BENEFITED THE VERY WEALTHY. I WILL STICK TO TAXES. EXAMPLE, WE HAD 1000 BILLIONAIRES IN AMERICA. IF THEY JUST PAID 24%,R 25%, EITHER ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, THEY'D E THEY ONLY PAY 2% IN TAXES. THEY JUST PAY 24% OR 25% -- EITHER ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS -- IT WOULD BE $500 BILLION IN A 10 YEAR PERIOD. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT HIS DEBT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. CHILDCARE. MAKING SURE WE CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. MAKING SURE WE CAN MAKE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT -- EXCUSE ME -- COVID -- DEALING WITH. LOOK, IT IS -- WE FINALLY BEAT MEDICARE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> HE HAS RIGHT. HE DID MEE OMING IN MEDICARE. HE BEAT IT TO DEATH. ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN. THEY ARE PUTTING HIM ON MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY. THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY. THIS MAN IS GOING TO SINGLE- HANDEDLY DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT THEM ON SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WILL WIPE OUT SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WILL WIPE OUT MEDICARE. SO HE IS RIGHT THE WAY HE FINISHED THAT SENTENCE. WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR COUNTRY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS NOT TO BE BELIEVED. FOREIGN COUNTRIES -- I AM FRIENDS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEY CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THEY DON'T LIKE US. WE GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID. WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEY DO NOTHING FOR US BUT WHAT THIS MAN HAS DONE IS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SINCE THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE. THIS MORNING, THE COURT RULED ON YET ANOTHER ABORTION CASE TEMPORARILY ALLOWING EMERGENCY ABORTIONS TO CONTINUE IN IDAHO DESPITE THAT STATE'S RESTRICTIVE BAND. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU TAKE CREDIT FOR THE DECISION TO OVERTURN ROE V. WADE WHICH RETURNED THE ISSUE OF ABORTION TO THE STATES, HOWEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STILL PLAYS A ROLE IN WHETHER OR NOT WOMEN HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION PILLS. THEY ARE USED IN ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF ALL ABORTIONS. AS PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU BLOCK ABORTION MEDICATION? >> FIRST OF ALL, THE SUPREME COURT JUST APPROVED THE ABORTION PILL AND I AGREE WITH THAT DECISION TO HAVE DONE THAT AND I WILL NOT LOCK IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS WHOLE QUESTION THAT YOU ARE ASKING, THE COMPLEX BUT NOT REALLY COMPLEX -- 51 YEARS AGO YOU HAD ROE V. WADE AND EVERYONE WANTED TO GET IT BACK TO THE STATES WITHOUT EXCEPTION. DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES. EVERYONE. THE RELIGIOUS. WHAT I DID IS PICKED THREE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ON THE COURT AND THEY HAPPEN TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF KILLING ROE V. WADE AND MOVING IT BACK TO THE STATES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTED. NOW, 10 YEARS OR SO THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY LEAKS GETTING INTO EVERYTHING BUT EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK TO THE STATES. I DID THAT. NOW THE STATES ARE WORKING OUT. IF YOU LOOK AT OHIO, IT WAS AN END RESULT I WAS A LITTLE MORE LIBERAL THAN YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. KANSAS, I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. TEXAS IS DIFFERENT. FLORIDA IS DIFFERENT. BUT THEY ARE ALL MAKING THEIR OWN DECISIONS RIGHT NOW AND RIGHT NOW THE STATES CONTROL IT. IT IS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. LIKE RONALD REAGAN, I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS. I AM A PERSON THAT BELIEVES. AND FRANKLY IT IS IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS. SOME PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR HEART. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THAT. BUT I BELIEVE IN EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER. THAT HAS TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS. YOU HAVE GOT TO GET ELECTED. THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS THEY ARE RADICAL BECAUSE THEY WILL TAKE THE LIFE OF THE CHILD IN THE EIGHTH MONTH AND NINTH MONTH AND EVEN AFTER BIRTH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA, HE WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HE SAID WE WILL PUT THE BABY TO SIDE. WE WILL DETERMINE WHAT TO DO MEANING WE WILL KILL THE BABY. WHAT HAPPENED AS WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE STATES AND THE COUNTRIES NOW COMING TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE. IT HAS BEEN A GREAT THING. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> IT IS A TERRIBLE THING THAT YOU HAVE DONE. THE VAST MAJORITY SUPPORTED ROE. IT IS THAT IDEA THEY WERE ALL AGAINST IT THAT IS RIDICULOUS. THIS IS THE GUY WHO SAYS THE STATES -- DURING SIX WEEKS YOU CANNOT SEE A DOCTOR AND HAVE HIM DECIDE ON WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU NEED HELP. THE IDEA THAT STATES ARE ABLE TO DO THIS. BRINGING CIVIL RIGHTS BACK TO THE STATES AND EACH STATE HAVE A DIFFERENT ROLE. LOOK, THERE ARE SO MANY YOUNG WOMEN INCLUDING THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO JUST WAS MURDERED. THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS MURDERED BY AN IMMIGRANT COMING IN AND TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT HERE IS THE DEAL. A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN ARE RAPED BY THEIR IN-LAWS AND SPOUSES . IT IS JUST RIDICULOUS AND WE CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. WE TRY TO RUSH THEM ACROSS STATE LINES. >> THANK YOU. >> TO HAVE BEEN MANY YOUNG WOMEN MURDERED BY THE SAME PEOPLE HE ALLOWS TO COME ACROSS OUR BORDER. WE HAVE A BORDER THAT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. CONSIDERED THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND HE OPENED IT UP AND THESE KILLERS ARE COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE RAPING AND KILLING WOMEN. IT IS A TERRIBLE THING. AS FAR AS ABORTION IS CONCERNED, IT IS BACK WITH THE STATES. IT WAS FRANKLY A VERY LIBERAL DECISION IN MANY CASES. BUT SOMETIMES IT IS THE OPPOSITE. IT IS BRINGING IT BACK TO THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED INCLUDING THE FOUNDERS THAT THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS ISSUE WHICH FRANKLY THEY DID NOT. EVERYONE WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK. RONALD REAGAN WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GET IT. MANY PRESIDENTS HAD TRIED TO GET IT BACK. I WAS THE ONE TO DO PREITDENT N STATES -- AGAIN, THIS GIVES US THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE WAY THEY WANTED IT. EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR WANTED IT THAT WAY. >> STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF ABORTION PRESIDENT BIDEN, SEVEN STATES -- THIS IS THE SAME TOPIC -- SEVEN STATES HAVE NO LEGAL RESTRICTIONS ON HOW FAR INTO A PREGNANCY A WOMAN CAN OBTAIN A ABORTION. DO SUPPORT ANY LEGAL LIMITS ON HOW LATE A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A PREGNANCY? >> I SUPPORT ROE V. WADE. THREE TRIMESTERS. FIRST TIME IS BETWEEN A WOMAN AND THE DOCTOR. SECOND TIME IS BETWEEN A WOMAN AND AN EXTREME SITUATION. AND THE THIRD TIME IS BETWEEN THE WOMAN AND THE STATE. THE IDEA THAT THE POLITICIANS -- AT THE FOUNDERS -- THE -- THE ONES TO MAKE IT WHEN A WOMAN NEEDS HELP IS RIDICULOUS. THAT IS RIDICULOUS. A DOCTOR SHOULD BE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE RUN. IF I AM ARE ELECTED, I WILL RESTORE ROE V. WADE. >> HE CAN TAKE THE LIFE OF THE BABY IN THE NINTH MONTH AND EVEN AFTER BIRTH BECAUSE SOME STATES, DEMOCRAT-RUN, TAKE IT AFTER BIRTH. AGAIN,AN. NOBODY WANTS IT TO HAPPEN. >> YOU'RE THEING. FORMER GOV VIRGINIA PUT THE BABY DOWN AND THEN DECIDED WHAT TO DO WITH IT. HE IS WILLING TO AS WE SAY RIP THE BABY OUT OF THE WOMB IN THE NINTH MONTH AND KILLED THE BABY. NOBODY WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN. DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, NOBODY WANTS IT TO HAPPEN. >> THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. ROE V. WADE DID NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT. THAT IS NOT THE CIRCUMSTANCE. ONLY WHEN A WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER AND IS GOING TO DIE. BUT WE ARE NOT FOR LATE-TERM PORTION PERIOD. PERIOD. >> IN ROE V. WADE YOU HAVE LATE- TERM ABORTION. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT DEPENDING ON THE STATE. WE DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING. WE THINK THAT IS A RADICAL THING. WE THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS AND NOT THE REPUBLICANS. >> FOR 51 YEARS THAT WAS THE LAW. 51 YEARS AND IT WAS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THIS TYPE WAS VERY CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS ON THE SUPREME COURT AND TAKE CREDIT FOR TAKING IT AWAY. WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO? WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO WITH THE MAGA REPUBLICANS AND THE MAGA REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE CONGRESS AND THEY PASS A UNIVERSAL BAN ON ABORTION, PERIOD, ACROSS-THE-BOARD. AT SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT OR 10 WEEKS. SHE SIGNED THAT BILL I WILL VETO IT. HE WILL SIGN IT. >> ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY, PRESIDENT BIDEN, A RECORD NUMBER OF MIGRANTS HAVE ILLEGALLY CROSSED THE BORDER ON YOUR WATCH. OVERWHELMING BORDER STATES AND CITIES SUCH AS NEW YORK AND CHICAGO AND IN SOME CASES CAUSING REAL SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS. GIVEN THAT, WHY SHOULD VOTERS TRUST YOU TO SOLVE THIS CRISIS? >> WE WORKED VERY HARD TO GET A BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT THAT NOT ONLY CHANGED ALL THAT BUT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD NO CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY COULD COME ACROSS THE BORDER AT THE NUMBERS WE SEE NOW. A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER. PARTICULARLY WHY THE BORDER PATROL ENDORSED ME AND ENDORSED MY POSITION. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE FOUND A SITUATION WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT HE WAS SEPARATING BABIES FROM THEIR MOMS AND PUTTING THEM IN CAGES. MAKING SURE FAMILIES WERE SEPARATED. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. SINCE I HAVE CHANGED THE LAW, WHAT HAPPENED? NOW, YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE 40% FEWER PEOPLE COMING ACROSS THE BORDER LEGALLY. IT WAS BETTER WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE AND I WILL CONTINUE MOVING UNTIL WE GET THE TOTAL BAN -- THE TOTAL INITIATIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH MORE BORDER PATROL. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> I REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE SAYS AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE AND I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAID EITHER. WE HAVE THE SAFEST BORDER IN HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LEAVE IT. ALL HE HAD TO DO IS LEAVE IT. HE DECIDED TO OPEN UP OUR BORDER AND OUR COUNTRY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM PRISONS AND MENTAL INSTITUTIONS AND INSANE ASYLUM'S. TERRORISTS. WE HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER TERRORISTS COMING TO OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. ALL TERRORISTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALL OVER THE COME. THEY AN IS GUY COME FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. AND THIS GUY JUST LEFT IT OPEN. HE DID NOT NEED LEGISLATION. I DID NOT NEED LEGISLATION. I SAID CLOSE THE BORDER. WE HAD THE SAFEST BORDER IN HISTORY. IN THE FINAL FIVE MONTHS OF HISTORY ACCORDING TO BORDER PATROL WHO BY THE WAY ENDORSED ME FOR PRESIDENT BUT THEY ENDORSED ME FOR PRESIDENT -- TO SPEAK TO THEM. WE HAD THE SAFEST BORDER IN HISTORY. NOW WE HAVE THE WORST BORDER IN HISTORY. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. PEOPLE ARE DYING ALL OVER THE PLACE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE ONLY TERRORISTS WHO HAVE DONE ANYTHING ALONG THE BORDER WHO IS THE ONE WHO CAME -- AL QAEDA COMING IN, IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, AND KILLED THREE AMERICAN SOLDIERS. KILLED THREE AMERICAN SOLDIERS. THAT IS THE ONLY TERRORISTS. I AM NOT SAYING THAT ANY TERRORIST HAVE NEVER GOT THROUGH, BUT THE IDEA WE ARE WELCOMING THESE PEOPLE IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE IS NO DATA TO SUPPORT WHAT HE SAYS. ONCE AGAIN HE IS EXAGGERATING AND LYING. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF IMMIGRATION, YOU SAID YOU WILL CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY. DOES THAT MEAN YOU WILL DEPORT EVERY UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT IN AMERICA INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE JOBS AND THOSE WHOSE SPOUSES ARE CITIZENS AND THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR DECADES? AND IF SO HOW WILL YOU DO IT? >> JUST ONE SECOND. HE SAID WE KILLED THREE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE WE KILLED WERE THAT TWO GREATEST BIGGEST TERRORIST THREATS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND IT HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON EVERYTHING. NOT JUST THE BORDER. HE IS THE ONE WHO KILLED PEOPLE WITH A BAD RECORD INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DYING AND ALSO KILLING OUR CITIZENS WHEN THEY COME IN. WE ARE LIVING RIGHT NOW IN A RATS NEST. THEY ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE IN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA AND EVERY STATE IN THE UNION BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE BORDERS EVERY MORE. EVERY STATE IS NOW A BOARDER. AND BECAUSE IT IS RIDICULOUS, INSANE, AND VERY STUPID POLICIES, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND KILLING OUR CITIZENS AT A LEVEL WE HAVE NEVER SEEN. WE CALL IT MIGRANT CRIME. I CALL IT BIDEN MIGRANT CRIME. IT IS AT A LEVEL WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND YOU'RE READING IT LIKE THE THREE INCREDIBLE YOUNG GIRLS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS. ONE OF THEM JUST SPOKE TO THE MOTHER. JUST AT THE FUNERAL FOR THIS GIRL. 12 YEARS OLD. THIS IS HORRIBLE WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN OUR COUNTRY IS LITERALLY AN UNCIVILIZED COUNTRY NOW. HE DOES NOT WANT IT TO BE. HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW. HE OPENED THE BORDERS NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE AND WE HAVE TO GET A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE OUT AND OUT FAST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE LIVING. THEY ARE LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS AND NEW YORK CITY AND OTHER PLACES. OUR VETERANS ARE ON THE STREET. HE DOES NOT CARE. HE DOES NOT LIKE THE MILITARY AT ALL. I HAD THE HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING FOR VETERANS, TAKING CARE OF THE VA. HE HAS THE WORST. HE GOT RID OF ALL THE THINGS I APPROVED. CHOICE. ALL THE THINGS I APPROVED. WE HAD BY FAR THE HIGHEST AND NOW IT IS DOWN TO LESS THAN HALF BECAUSE HE HAS UNDONE ALL THESE GREAT THINGS WE DID AND I THINK HE DID IT JUST BECAUSE I APPROVED IT, WHICH IS CRAZY. IT IS A VERY SAD DAY IN AMERICA. >> MR. BIDEN, YOU HAVE THE MIC. >> EVERYTHING HE SAID IS A LIE. FOR EXAMPLE VETERANS ARE A LOT BETTER OFF. 1 MILLION OF THEM OR THEIR FAMILIES HAVE IT. AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE IT BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED? WHETHER IT WAS AGENT ORANGE, THEY ARE ALL BEING COVERED IT NOW. AND HIS GROUP OPPOSED THAT. WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR VETERANS. MY SON SPENT A YEAR IN IRAQ. CAME BACK WITH STAGE FOUR. IN FRANCE FROM THE DAY AND I SPOKE TO ALL OF OUR HEROES THAT DIED. I WENT TO THE WORLD WAR II CEMETERY AND WORLD WAR I CEMETERY HE REFUSED TO GO TO. HE WAS STANDING WITH A FOUR- STAR GENERAL AND TOLD ME I DO NOT WANT TO GO IN THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS AND SUCKERS. MY SON IS NOT A LOSER AND A SUCKER. YOU ARE THE LOSER. >> FIRST OF ALL, THAT WAS A MADE UP QUOTE. IT WAS IN A THIRD-RATE MAGAZINE THAT IS FEELING LIKE MANY OF THESE MAGAZINES. HE MADE THAT UP ND PUT IT IN COMMERCIALS. WE NOTIFY THEM. WE HAD 19 PEOPLE THAT SAID I DID NOT SAY IT. AND WHO WOULD SAY THAT? I AM AT A CEMETERY AND TALK ABOUT OUR VETERANS? I'M SO GLAD THIS CAME UP AND HE BROUGHT IT UP. THERE IS NO ONE WHO HAS TAKEN BETTER CARE OF OUR SOLDIERS AND I HAVE. TO THINK THAT I WOULD IN FRONT OF GENERALS AND OTHERS SAY SUCKERS AND LOSERS. WE HAVE 19 PEOPLE WHO SAID IT WAS NEVER SAID BY ME. WAS MADE UP BY HIM JUST LIKE RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA WAS MADE UP IN THE 51 INTELLIGENCE AGENTS WAS MADE UP IN THE NEW THING WITH THE 16 ECONOMISTS. IT IS THE SAME THING. 51 INTELLIGENCE AGENTS SAID THAT THE LAPTOP WAS RUSSIA DISINFORMATION. IT WAS NOT. THAT CAME FROM HIS SON, HUNTER. IS NOT RUSSIA DISINFORMATION. HE MADE UP THE SUCKERS AND LOSERS AND SHOULD APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW. >> I FOUR-STAR GENERAL WAS ON YOUR STAFF AND SAID YOU SAID IT. PERIOD. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA THAT I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WE HAVE MORE FOR VETERANS THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE SACRED OBLIGATION WE HAVE AS A COUNTRY TO CARE FOR OUR VETERANS WHEN THEY COME HOME AND SUPPORT THEM WHEN THEY GO TO WAR. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT THE V.A. IS DOING NOW. HE IS DOING MORE FOR VETERANS THAN EVER BEFORE IN OUR HISTORY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> FOREIGN-POLICY. I WANT TO BEGIN WITH RUSSIA'S WAR AGAINST UKRAINE THAT IS NOW IN ITS THIRD YEAR. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID HE WILL ONLY END THIS WAR IF RUSSIA KEEPS UKRAINIAN TERRITORY IT HAS ALREADY CLAIMED AND UKRAINE ABANDONS ITS BID TO JOIN NATO. ARE THESE TERMS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> FIRST OF ALL, OUR VETERANS AND OUR SOLDIERS CANNOT STAND THIS GUY. THEY CANNOT STAND HIM. THEY THINK HE IS THE WORST COMMANDER AND CHIEF IF THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL HIM THAT WE HAVE EVER HAD. THEY CANNOT STAND HIM. AND THEY LIKE ME MORE, JUST ABOUT ANY OF THEM, AND THAT IS BASED ON EVERY SINGLE BIT OF INFORMATION. AS FAR AS RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, IF WE HAD A REAL PRESIDENT AND WAS RESPECTED BY PUTIN, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER -- HE WOULD HAVE NEVER INVADED UKRAINE. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DEAD RIGHT NOW. MUCH MORE THAN PEOPLE KNOW. YOU CAN DOUBLE THOSE NUMBERS. MAYBE TRIPLED THOSE NUMBERS. HE DID NOTHING TO STOP IT. I THINK HE ENCOURAGED RUSSIA TO GO IN. I TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED. HE WAS SO BAD WITH AFGHANISTAN. IT WAS OUCH AN EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY AND PUTIN WATCH THAT AND HE SHOULD'VE FIRED THOSE GENERALS LIKE I FIRED THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED. HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED THOSE GENERALS. NO GENERAL GOT FIRED FOR THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, AFGHANISTAN, WHERE WE LEFT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT BEHIND AND LOST 13 BEAUTIFUL SOLDIERS AND 38 SOLDIERS WERE OBLITERATED, AND BY THE WAY WE LEFT PEOPLE BEHIND, TOO. WE LEFT AMERICAN CITIZENS BEHIND. WHEN PUTIN SAW THAT HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WE WILL GO IN. I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT. THE DIFFERENCE IS HE NEVER WOULD HAVE INVADED UKRAINE -- NEVER -- JUST LIKE ISRAEL NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN INVADED IN A MILLION YEARS BY HAMAS. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE I WOULD NOT LET ANYONE DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS. THEY HAD NO MONEY OR ANYTHING. NO MONEY FOR TARIFFS. THAT IS WHY YOU HAD DONE DURING MY ADMINISTRATION. AT THIS POINT THE WHOLE WORLD IS BLOWING UP UNDER HIM. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> I NEVER HEARD SO MUCH MALARKEY MY WHOLE LIFE. THE SITUATION TAKES A LOSS. IRAN ATTACKED AMERICAN TROOPS. CAUSED BRAIN DAMAGE FOR A NUMBER OF HIS TROOPS AND HE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. HE DID NOTHING AS PRESIDENT. HE SAID JUST HEADACHES. THAT IS ALL IT IS. BUT HE DID NOT DO A THING WHEN THE ATTACK TOOK PLACE. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WE GOT OVER 100,000 AMERICANS AND OTHERS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN DURING THAT ERA LIFT. NUMBER THREE A SITUATION WHERE IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT TRUMP DID IN UKRAINE, THIS GUY TOLD TRUMP DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP DID. PUTIN ENCOURAGED HIM. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT THEN HE WENT IN. YOU WANT ME TO CAKE AND FIVE DAYS? REMEMBER? IT WAS PART OF THE OLD SOVIET UNION. KEEP. AND HE IN FACT DID NOT DO IT AT ALL AND WAS NOT ABLE TO GET IT DONE AND THEY HAVE LOST OVER -- THEY HAVE LOST THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TROOPS. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR ONE MINUTE I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WHICH IS ARE PUTIN'S TERMS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> NO. THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE. BUT, LOOK, THIS IS A WAR THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED. IF WE HAD A LEADER IN THIS WAR HE LET EVERYONE A LONG AND IS GIVING $200 BILLION NOW OR MORE TO UKRAINE. HE HAS GIVEN $200 BILLION. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY. I DO NOT THINK THERE HAS EVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. EVERY TIME THAT ZELINSKI COMES TO THIS COUNTRY, HE WALKS HOME WITH $60 BILLION. I AM JUST SAYING THE MONEY WE ARE SPENDING ON THIS WAR AND WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING, IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. I WILL HAVE THAT WORD SETTLED BETWEEN PUTIN AND ZELINSKI AS PRESIDENT-ELECT BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE ON JANUARY 20th. I WILL HAVE THAT WERE SETTLED. PEOPLE BEING KILLED SO NEEDLESSLY AND SO STUPIDLY. I WILL GET IT SETTLED AND I WILL GET IT SETTLED FAST BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE. >> AND YOU HAVE A MINUTE. >> THE FACT THAT PUTIN IS A WAR CRIMINAL, HE HAS KILLED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND HE HAS MADE ONE THING CLEAR. HE WANTS TO RE-ESTABLISH WHAT WAS PART OF THE SOVIET EMPIRE. THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS. YOU THINK YOU WILL STOP THERE? YOU THINK HE WILL STOP WHEN HE TAKES UKRAINE? WHEN YOU THINK HAPPENS WITH POLAND? BELARUS? WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THOSE NATO COUNTRIES. SO IF YOU WANT A WAR YOU OUGHT TO FIND OUT WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO BECAUSE IF HE ACTUALLY DOES WHAT HE SAYS AND WALKS AWAY -- BY THE WAY, ALL THAT MONEY WE MAKE IN UKRAINE -- WE ARE GIVING THEM WEAPONS FOR MONEY AT THIS POINT. AND THE NATO ALLIES HAVE GIVEN AS MUCH FUNDING FOR UKRAINE AS WE HAVE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE STRONG. >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE MIDDLE EAST. IN OCTOBER, HAMAS ATTACKED ISRAEL CLEAN MORE THAN A THOUSAND PEOPLE AND TAKING HOSTAGES. AMONG THOSE HELD ARE FIVE AMERICANS. ISRAEL'S RESPONSE HAS KILLED THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS AND CREATED A PALESTINIAN CRISIS IN GAZA. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO RESOLVE THIS CONFLICT. BUT, SO FAR, HAMAS HAS NOT RELEASED THE REMAINING HOSTAGES AND ISRAEL IS CONTINUING ITS MILITARY OFFENSIVE IN GAZA. SO WHAT ADDITIONAL LEVERAGE WILL YOU USED TO GET HAMAS AND ISRAEL TO END THE WAR? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> NUMBER ONE, EVERYONE FROM THE SECURITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE G7 AND THAT ISRAELIS AND NETANYAHU HIMSELF HAVE ENDORSED THE PLAN I PUT FORWARD. ENDORSED THE PLAN I PUT FORWARD. RELEASE THE HOSTAGES FOR A CEASE-FIRE. THE SECOND PHASE IS A CEASE- FIRE WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. THE THIRD PHASE IS THE END OF THE WAR. NO ONE WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE AGAINST HAMAS. WE ARE STILL PUSHING HARD TO GET THEM TO ACCEPT. IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT HAS HAPPENED? IN ISRAEL, THE ONLY THING I HAVE DENIED ISRAEL WAS 2000 POUND BOMBS. THEY DO NOT WORK VERY WELL IN POPULATED AREAS. WE HAVE PROVIDED ISRAEL WITH A LOT OF WEAPONS THEY NEED WHEN THEY NEEDED THEM. BY THE WAY, I AM THE GUY WHO ORGANIZED THE ROAD AGAINST IRAN WHEN THEY ORCHESTRATED THAT ATTACK ON ISRAEL. IT STOPPED. WE SAVED ISRAEL. WE ARE THE BIGGEST PRODUCER OF SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD AND THAT CAN MEAN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. HAMAS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUED. WE CONTINUE TO SEND OUR EXPERTS AND OUR INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. WE HAVE GREATLY WE CAN HAMAS. AND THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN USING CERTAIN WEAPONS AMONG POPULATION CENTERS. >> LET'S GO BACK TO UKRAINE FOR ONE SECOND. WE HAVE AN OCEAN SEPARATING US. THE EUROPEAN NATIONS TOGETHER HAVE SPENT $100 BILLION OR MAYBE MORE THAN THAT LESS THAN US. LIGHT DOES NOT HE CALLED THEM AND SAY YOU HAVE GOT TO PUT UP YOUR MONEY LIKE I DO? I GOT THEM TO PUT UP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THE SECRETARY-GENERAL OF NATO SAID TRUMP DID THE MOST AMAZING JOB WE HAVE EVER SEEN. ALMOST 100% OF THE MONEY WAS PAID BY US. HE DID NOT DO THAT. YOU HAVE GOT TO ASK THESE PEOPLE TO PUT UP THE MONEY. OVER $100 BILLION MORE SPENT AND IT HAS A BIGGER IMPACT ON THEM BECAUSE OF LOCATION BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OCEAN AND BETWEEN. YOU HAVE GOT O ASK THEM, AS FAR AS ISRAEL AND HAMAS, ISRAEL IS THE ONE. THE ONLY ONE WHO WANT TO KEEP GOING AS HAMAS. ACTUALLY ISRAEL IS THE ONE AND YOU SHOULD LET THEM GO AND FINISH THEIR JOB. HE DOES NOT WANT TO DO IT. HE HAS BECOME A PALESTINIAN BUT THEY DON'T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE IS A VERY BAD PALESTINIAN. HE IS A WEAK ONE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE A MINUTE. >> I HAVE NEVER HEARD SO MUCH FOOLISHNESS. YOU WANT TO PULL OUT OF NATO? OUR STRENGTH LIES IN OUR ALLIANCES AS WELL. IT MAY BE A BIG OCEAN BUT WILL NATO. ARE WE ABLE TO AVOID A MAJOR WAR IN EUROPE? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE PUTIN GO INTO NATO? WE HAVE AN ARTICLE FIVE AGREEMENT. AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON ALL. YOU WANT TO START A NUCLEAR WAR HE KEEP TALKING ABOUT, GO AHEAD. LET PUTIN CONTROL UKRAINE AND MOVE ON TO OTHER PLACES. JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA, HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. BY THE WAY, I HAVE GOT 15 OTHER NATIONS AROUND THE ROAD TO SUPPORT UKRAINE INCLUDING JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF DISLOCATION IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE WHOLE WORLD PEACE. NO MAJOR WAR IN EUROPE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO BE CONTAINED JUST TO EUROPE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE CREATION OF AN INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN STATE TO SUPPORT PEACE IN THE REGION? >> SO THEY KILL US ON TRADE. DAYBREAK TRADE DEALS WITH THE EUROPEAN NATIONS. BECAUSE IF YOU ADD THEM UP THEY ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE ECONOMICALLY. THEIR ECONOMY IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AT THE UNITED STATES. THEY DO NOT WANT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE BUT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE THEIR CARS, THEIR FOOD, THEIR EVERYTHING. THEIR AGRICULTURE. I CHANGE THAT BUT THE BIG THING IS THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY AND THE ONLY REASON HE CAN PLAY GAMES WITH NATO IS BECAUSE I GOT THEM TO PUT UP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS. I SAID, NO, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT NATO IF YOU DON'T PAY. I ASKED THE QUESTION WOULD YOU GUARD US AGAINST RUSSIA IN A VERY SECRET MEETING WITH THE 28 NATIONS AT THAT TIME AND I SAID NO, THAT YOU DON'T PAY I WON'T DO THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAME FLOWING IN THE NEXT DAY AND THE NEXT MONTH. BUT NOW WE ARE IN THE SAME POSITION. WE ARE PAYING EVERYBODY'S BILLS. >> LET US TURN TO THE ISSUE OF DEMOCRACY. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6, 2021. AFTER YOU RALLIED YOUR SUPPORTERS THAT THEY SOME OF THEM STRUMMED THE CAPITAL TO STOP THE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED COUNTING OF VOTES. AS PRESIDENT YOU HAD AN OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION. WHAT YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO ARE WORRIED YOU WILL DO IT AGAIN? >> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6th. ON JANUARY 6, WE HAD A GREAT BOARDER. NOBODY COMING THROUGH. VERY FEW. ON JANUARY 6 WE WERE ENERGY INDEPENDENT. ON JANUARY 6th WE HAVE THE LOWEST TAXES EVER. WE HAVE THE LOWEST REGULATIONS EVER. ON JANUARY 6th WE WERE RESPECTED ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALL OVER THE WORLD WE WERE RESPECTED AND HE COMES IN AND WE ARE NOW LEFT AT. WE ARE LIKE A BUNCH OF STUPID PEOPLE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES REPUTATION UNDER THIS MANTLE IS LEADERSHIP IS HORRIBLE. INCLUDING WEAPONIZATION, WHICH I AM SURE AT SOME POINT YOU WILL BE TALKING ABOUT. GOES AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE CANNOT BEAT HIM FAIR AND SQUARE. >> YOU HAVE 80 SECONDS LEFT. MY QUESTION WAS WHAT YOU SAY TO THOSE VOTERS WHO BELIEVE YOU VIOLATED YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OATH FOR YOUR ACTIONS ON JANUARY 6, 2021, AND ARE WORRIED YOU WILL DO IT AGAIN. >> I DO NOT SAY THAT TO ANYBODY. I SAID IT PATRIOTICALLY. AND NANCY PELOSI ON TAPE TO HER DAUGHTER , SHE IS SAYINGD OH, THEM DOWN. AND THE M NO, IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY. I OFFERED HER 10,000 SOLDIERS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD AND SHE TURNED THEM DOWN AND THE MAYOR IN WRITING -- BY THE WAY THE MAYOR IN WRITING TURNED IT DOWN. THE MAYOR OF D.C. THEY TURNED IT DOWN. I COULD SEE I HAD VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO DO. THEY ASKED ME TO GO MAKE A SPEECH. EVERYBODY WAS SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO BE THERE ON JANUARY 6. I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING. YOU CAN FILE, TOO. AND YOU COULD FEEL IT. I SAID THEY OUGHT TO HAVE SOME NATIONAL GUARD OR WHATEVER AND I OFFERED IT TO HER AND A SHELL ADMITS THAT SHE TURNED IT DOWN AND IT WAS THE SAME DAY THAT -- I DON'T KNOW. SHE CANNOT BE VERY HAPPY WITH HER DAUGHTER BECAUSE SHE MADE HER INTO A LIAR BUT SAID SHE TAKES FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR JANUARY 6. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> WELL, HE ENCOURAGED FOLKS NUMBER ONE. I SAT IN THE DINING ROOM WHILE HE SAT THERE FOR THREE HOURS -- THREE HOURS -- WATCHING AND BEING BADE BY HIS VICE PRESIDENT AND A NUMBER OF HIS COLLEAGUES AND REPUBLICANS AS WELL TO DO SOMETHING. TO END IT. INSTEAD, HE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING PATRIOTISM AND A GREAT PATRIOTISM IN AMERICA. IN FACT, HE HAS FORGIVE SOME FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THEY HAD BEEN CONVICTED. YOU KNOW? EVERY SINGLE COURT IN THE NATION -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CASES -- SCORES OF CASES INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY SAID NO, NO, THIS GUY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING WHATEVER HE HAD DONE. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE IN JAIL. THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND HE WANTS TO LET THEM ALL OUT. AND NOW HE SAYS HE WILL DO IT AGAIN. A BLOODBATH? >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE SO INNOCENT YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE LIVES OF SO MANY PEOPLE. WHEN THEY RIPPED DOWN MANY OTHER CITIES. YOU KNOW I WAS ALL SET TO BRIN? MINNESOTA, MINNEAPOLIS. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE THERE WITH THE FIRES ALL OVER THE CITY. IF I DO NOT BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL -- THEY TOOK OVER BIG CHUNKS OF SEATTLE. I WAS ALL SET TO BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. THEY LEFT IMMEDIATELY. WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THIS WHOLE SUBJECT IS SO OFF -- PEACEFULLY PROTECT -- ONE OTHER THING. THE COMMITTEE WHICH IS BASICALLY TWO HORRIBLE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE ALL GONE NOW. AND DEMOCRATS. ALL DEMOCRATS. A DESTROYED AND DELETED ALL THE INFORMATION THEY FOUND BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT WE WERE RIGHT. WE WERE RIGHT. AND THEY DELETED AND DESTROYED ALL THE INFORMATION. THEY SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR THAT. IF A REPUBLICAN DID THAT THEY WOULD -- >> PRESIDENT BIDEN I WANT TO GIVE YOU A MINUTE. >> THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STAGE WAS A CONVICTED FELON IS THE MAN I AM LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AND THE FACT IS WHAT HE IS TELLING US SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THE FACT IS THERE WAS NO EFFORT ON HIS PART TO STOP WHAT WAS GOING ON, ON CAPITOL HILL. AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE, EVERYONE BEING CONVICTED, DESERVE TO BE CONVICTED. THE IDEA THEY DID NOT KILL SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY BROKE DOWN DOORS AND BROKE DOWN WINDOWS AND OCCUPIED OFFICES AND TURNED OVER DESKS AND TURNED OVER STATUES. THE IDEA THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE PATRIOTS? COME ON. WHEN I ASKED IN THE FIRST OF THE TWO DEBATES WE HAD THE FIRST TIME AROUND, I SAID WOULD YOU DENOUNCE THE PROUD BOYS? SAID NO, I WOULD TELL THEM TO STAND BY. WHAT YOU DENOUNCE THESE GUYS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW? DO YOU DENOUNCE THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED THE CAPITAL? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? >> I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A MINUTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION I HAVE. AFTER A JURY CONVICTED 34 FELONIES LAST MONTH YOU SAID IF WE ELECTED TO, QUOTE, HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO AFTER, UNQUOTE, YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS. YOU JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE GOING TO JAIL. YOUR MAIN POLITICAL OPPONENT IS ON STAGE WITH YOU TONIGHT. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT THE RIGHT TO GO AFTER YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS? >> I SAID MY RETRIBUTION WILL BE SUCCESS. RIGHT NOW IT IS A FAILING NATION. MY RETRIBUTION IS GOING TO BE SUCCESS. BUT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A CONVICTED FELON, YOUR SON IS A CONVICTED FELON AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. PROBABLY BEEN CONVICTED NUMEROUS OTHER TIMES. SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVICTED BEFORE BUT HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LET THAT STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS LAPSE ON THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS BUT HE COULD BE A CTED FE WITH ALL OF THE THINGS HE'S DONE. CONVICTED FELON AS SOON AS HE GETS OUT OF OFFICE. HIS SON HAS DONE HORRIBLE THINGS. ALL OF THE DEATH AT THE BOARDER. TELLING THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO RUN A BILLION DOLLARS OTHERWISE WE CHANGE THE PROSECUTOR. IF I EVER SAID THAT THAT IS. PRO. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE BILLION DOLLARS. THIS MAN IS A CRIMINAL. YOU ARE LUCKY. YOUR LUCKY. I DID NOTHING WRONG. WE HAD A SYSTEM THAT WAS RIGGED AND DISGUSTING. WE DID NOTHING WRONG. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN -- I'M COMING RIGHT TO YOU, SIR. YOU WANT TO RESPOND? I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO RESPOND. >> THE IDEA I DID ANYTHING WRONG RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OUTRAGEOUS. IT IS SIMPLY A LIGHT, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SECRETIVE VISION AGAINST EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU ARE PRESIDENT IS WRONG. NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER SPOKEN LIKE THAT BEFORE. NO PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY HAS SPOKEN LIKE THAT BEFORE. THEN I'M SURE STILL CHARGED WITH -- HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS YOU OWN? HOW MAY CHARGES? FOR MOLESTING A WOMAN IN PUBLIC. FOR HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH A PORNSTAR ON A NIGHT WHEN YOUR WIFE WAS PREGNANT. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> I DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH A PORNSTAR. NUMBER TWO. THAT WAS A CASE THAT STARTED AND THEY MOVED A HIGH-RANKING OFFICIAL OF THE DOJ INTO THE MANHATTAN D.A.S OFFICE TO START THAT DAY. THAT CASE WILL BE APPEALED AND WON. WE HAD A VERY TERRIBLE JUDGE AND A HORRIBLE JUDGE. A DEMOCRAT. THE PROSECUTORS WERE ALL HIGH- RANKING DEMOCRATS WHO APPOINTED PEOPLE. BOTH THE CIVIL AND A CRIMINAL. HE BASICALLY WENT AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DAMAGE PEOPLE AND WHEN THE PUBLIC FOUND OUT ABOUT THESE CASES BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN HE DOES -- HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT THESE CASES ARE -- BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID? MY PHONE NUMBER ONE WAY UP. YOU KNOW IT BECAUSE YOUR REPORTING AT. AND WE TALK IN MORE MONEY IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS THAN WE HAVE EVER TAKEN IN HISTORY OF ANY CAMPAIGN. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAME POURING IN BECAUSE THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT IS A SCAM AND A GUY AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE CANNOT WIN FAIR AND SQUARE. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE SAID, QUOTE, DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MAGA REPUBLICANS ARE DETERMINED TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. DO YOU BELIEVE THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO INTEND TO VOTE FOR AMERICAN TRUMP WILL BE INTENDING TO VOTE AGAINST DEMOCRACY? >> YES IF THEY KNOW WHAT HE HAS DONE. HE HAS GOT A LOT OF CASES ON THE ROAD COMING UP. HE HAS GOT A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES HE HAS GOT TO FACE. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE JOY WILL DO BUT I DO KNOW IT IS A REAL PROBLEM. AND SO THE FACT THAT -- HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ANY PRESIDENT SAY AND GO TO SEEK RETRIBUTION? EVER SAY HITLER HAD SOME GOOD IDEAS? WHAT GOT ME WAS MY SON AND IRAQ. I SAID I WAS NOT GOING TO RUN AGAIN UNTIL I SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA. PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE WOODS AND CARRYING SWASTIKAS AND TORCHES. IT IS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN GERMANY. I SPOKE TO THE MOTHER AND THEY ASKED AND SAID WHAT YOU THINK OF THOSE PEOPLE, THE ONES WHO GOT KILLED? WANT TO TRY TO STOP THEM? I THINK THEY ARE FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. WHAT AMERICAN PRESIDENT WOULD EVER SAY THAT NAZIS CARRYING TORCHES CARRYING SWASTIKAS ARE FINE PEOPLE? THIS IS A GUY WHO SAYS HEATHER HAS DONE SOME GOOD THINGS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THAT IS WHAT HE HAS SAID. THIS GUY HAS NO SENSE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. >> JAKE, BOTH OF YOU KNOW THAT STORY HAS BEEN TOTALLY WIPED OUT BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THE SENTENCE IT SAID 100% EXONERATION. HE SAYS HE RAN BECAUSE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE. HE DID NOT RUN BECAUSE IT WAS CHARLOTTESVILLE. HE RAN BECAUSE IT WAS HIS LAST CHANCE. HE IS NOT EQUIPPED TO BE PRESIDENT. WE HAVE A DEBATE. WE ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS PRESIDENCY. FOR THAT QUESTION, THE WORST PRESIDENCY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. WE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING A DEBATE ABOUT IT. HE MADE UP THE CHARLOTTESVILLE STORY AND YOU WILL SEE IT IS DEBUNKED ALL OVER THE PLACE. EVERY REASONABLE ANCHOR HAS DEBUNKED IT. AND JUST THE OTHER DAY IT CAME OUT WHERE IT WAS FULLY DEBUNKED. IT IS A NONSENSE STORY. HE KNOWS THAT. HE DID NOT RUN BECAUSE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> DEBUNKED? IT HAPPENED. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN TO WHAT WE SAID AT THE TIME AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I RAN AND I WAS RIGHT BECAUSE A GUY LIKE THIS COULD GET ELECTED. IF YOU THOUGHT THERE WERE GOOD PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THAT FOREST CARRYING THOSE TORCHES AND HE DID NOT DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT. HE DID NOT DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT AT ALL. THE IDEA THAT HE IS ALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS -- WE SAW WITH OUR OWN EYES. WE SAW THE PEOPLE OCCUPYING. HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT. LOOK, THE REASON WHY 40 OF HIS 44 TOP CABINET OFFICERS -- HIS VICE PRESIDENT HAD TO FORCE HIM TO STOP. WHY? WHY ARE THEY NOT ENDORSING HIM? >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE FROM THE CNN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. >> NEWS LIVE IN THE NOW. >> THE FRONT LINES ARE STILL VERY ACTIVE. THIS IS LIKE QUICKSAND. OFFICIALS SAY THE ENTIRE TOWN IS CUT OFF. >> IT IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAD TO JUMP IN THE OCEAN. >> THE USE OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >> AS YOU CAN SEE THE EYE OF THE STORM ROARED TO SHORE. THERE IS SOME LATE BREAKING NEWS. >>> I'M LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >>> I'M LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. YOU ARE WATCHING THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEBATE IN ABOUT 40 MINUTES, JOIN US FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TONIGHT KEY MOMENTS. >> OUR TEAM OF POLITICAL EXTRAS WILL SHAKE UP HOW THIS COULD AFFECT THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS. ALL THAT IS AHEAD RIGHT HERE ON NBC. HERE ON NBC. >> LIVE FROM GEORGIA. LET'S TALK ABOUT PERSISTENT CHALLENGES >> BY FROM GEORGIA. LET'S TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC CHALLENGES YOU BOTH FACED IN YOUR FIRST TERMS AND YOU WOULD CERTAINLY FACE AGAIN IN THE SECOND TERM. PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHILE BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT DROPPED TO A RECORD LOW UNDER YOUR PRESIDENCY, BLACK FAMILIES STILL EARN FAR LESS THAN WHITE FAMILIES. BLACK MOTHERS ARE STILL THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM PREGNANCY-RELATED CAUSES AND BLACK AMERICANS ARE IMPRISONED AT FIVE TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE AMERICANS. WHAT YOU SAY TO BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU HAVE NOT MADE MORE PROGRESS? >> WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS NUMBER ONE. THE FACT THE MATTER IS THERE ARE MORE SMALL BLACK BUSINESSES THAN AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY. NUMBER TWO, THE WAGES -- IT IS THE LOWEST LEVEL IT HAS BEEN IN A LONG TIME. NUMBER THREE, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOUSING FOR BLACK AMERICANS AND DEALING WITH THE ISSUE. WITH THESE CORPORATIONS THAT CONCLUDE TO KEEP BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOUSES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE FIND THAT -- THAT THE CHOICE THAT BLACK FAMILIES HAVE TO MAKE RELATIVE TO CHILDCARE IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. AND WE DID MAKE THE FIRST MAJOR PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT PASSED TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE BLACK CHILDCARE COST AND CUT THEM IN HALF. IN HALF. GOT TO WATCH OUT FOR CHILDCARE COSTS. WHEN PROVIDING THOSE CHILDCARE PROTECTIONS AND LOOKING AT ECONOMIC GROWTH BECAUSE MORE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE JOB MARKET. SO THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE. >> YOU HAVE 49 SECONDS LEFT. YOU FOR BEING DISAPPOINTED. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED SO FAR? >> I SAY I DO NOT BLAME YOU FOR BEING DISAPPOINTED. INFLATION HAS AFFECTED IT BADLY. MANY BLACK FAMILY FIRST TIME HOMEOWNERS SHOULD GET A $10,000 TAX CREDIT TO BE ABLE TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME TO GET STARTED. MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE ALL THOSE BLACK FAMILIES CAN TAKE OUT STUDENT LOANS. THAT WERE BALONEY. FAIR CASES. NURSES. IF THEY PAID FOR STUDENT DEBT, ALL THE REST IS GIVEN AFTER 10 YEARS. AND WE ARE GOING TO DO A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR BLACK FAMILIES. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> HE IS BLAMING INFLATION AND HE IS RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN VERY BAD. HE CAUSED THE INFLATION AND IT IS KILLING BLACK FAMILIES AND HISPANIC FAMILIES AND JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY. IT IS KILLING PEOPLE. THEY CANNOT BUY GROCERIES ANYMORE. YOU LOOK ACROSS THE FOOD WORD IS DOUBLED AND TRIPLED AND QUADRUPLED. THEY CANNOT LIVE. THEY ARE NOT LIVING ANYMORE. HE CAUSED THIS INFLATION. I GAVE A COUNTRY WITH ESSENTIALLY NO INFLATION. IT WAS PERFECT AND SO GOOD AND I HAD TO DO WAS LEAVE IT ALONE. HE DESTROYED IT WITH HIS GREEN NEW SCAM AND ALL THIS OTHER MONEY THAT HAS BEEN THROWN OUT THE WINDOW. HE CAUSED INFLATION AS SURE AS YOU ARE SITTING THERE. THE FACT IS THAT HIS BIG KILL ON THE BLACK PEOPLE IS THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HE HAS ALLOWED TO COME INTO THE BOARDER. THEY ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS NOW AND IT COULD BE 18 AND 19 AND EVEN 20 MILLION PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS AND TAKING HISPANIC JOBS AND YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET BUT YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE THE WORST IN OUR HISTORY. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THERE WAS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW WHY? FLAT ON HIS BACK, 50% UNEMPLOYMENT. HE ABSOLUTELY DECIMATED THE ECONOMY. LOW-INFLATION AT THE TIME. I PROVIDED THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF JOBS FOR INDIVIDUALS OF ALL COMMUNITIES INCLUDING MINORITY COMMUNITIES. WE MADE SURE THEY HAD HEALTH INSURANCE. I MADE SURE THAT THERE IS $8000 PER PERSON PER FAMILY FOR HEALTH CARE. THIS GUY WANTS TO GET RID OF THE ACA AGAIN AND THEY WILL TRY AGAIN. WE FIND OURSELVE MORE THAN THE ADMINISTRATION HAS . WE ARE PROVIDING EQUITY FOR A SHOT TO MAKE IT HE CAUSED INFLATION BY HIS AND THE WAY HE HANDLED THE PANDEMIC. >> THANK YOU. ANOTHER PERSISTENT CHALLENGE IS THE CLIMATE CRISIS. WAY HE HANDL THE PANDEMIC. >> ANOTHER CHALLENGE IS THE CLIMATE CRISIS. 2023 WAS THE HOTTEST YEAR IN RECORDED HISTORY AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE CONFRONTING THE DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF EXTREME HEAT, INTENSIFYING WILDFIRES, STRONGER HURRICANES, AND RISING SEA LEVELS. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU VOWED TO END YOUR OPPONENT'S CLIMATE INITIATIVES, BUT WILL YOU TAKE ANY ACTION AS PRESIDENT TO SLOW THE CLIMATE CRISIS? >> LET ME JUST GO BACK TO WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE POLICE. HOW CLOSE THE POLICE WERE THERE. ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP IN THE NATION FROM EVERY STATE IS SUPPORTING DONALD J. TRUMP. ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP. AND WHAT HE'S DONE TO THE BLACK POPULATION IS HORRIBLE, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT FOR 10 YEARS HE CALLED THEM SUPER PREDATORS. IN THE 1990s, WE CAN'T FORGET THAT. SUPER PREDATORS WITH HIS NAME, AND THEY'VE TAKEN GREAT OFFENSE AT IT, NOW WE SEE IT HAPPENING, BUT WHEN THEY SEE WHAT I DID FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND FOR THE HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES WHERE I FUNDED THEM AND GOT THEM ALL FUNDED, AND THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES WITH TIM SCOTT HE WAS INCREDIBLE, HE DID A GREAT JOB, GREAT SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, ECONOMIC IN THE COUNTRY. OPPORTUNITIES, AND THE BIG BENEFICIARY OF BLACKS, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE NUMBERS, I READ THIS MORNING, WHERE THE BEST NUMBERS, HE HAS LOST MUCH OF THE BLACK POPULATION, BECAUSE HE'S DONE A HORRIBLE JOB FOR BLACK PEOPLE. HE'S ALSO DONE A HORRIBLE JOB FOR HISPANICS. BUT WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THESE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE JOBS. AND IT'S ALREADY STARTED, AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET. IT'S A DISASTER. >> WILL YOU TAKE ANY ACTION AS PRESIDENT TO SLOW THE CLIMATE CRISIS? >> SO, I WANT ABSOLUTELY WANT ABSOLUTELY C IMMACULATELY CLEAN WATER, I WANT ABSOLUTELY CLEAN AIR, AND WE HAD IT. WE HAD H2O, WE HAD THE BEST NUMBERS EVER, AND WE WERE USING ALL FORMS OF ENERGY, EVERYTHING, AND YET, DURING MY FOUR YEARS, I HAD THE BEST ENVIRONMENTAL NUMBERS, EVER. AND MY TOP ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE GAVE ME THAT STATISTIC JUST BEFORE I WALKED ON THE STAGE ACTUALLY. >> THE IDEA WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE . I PASSED THE MOST EXTENSIVE CLIMATE CHANGE IN HISTORY. AND BY THE WAY, FOIVERSIR ES AND HBCU'S, COLLTHEY, BECAU DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF CONTRIBUTORS THEY HAVE FOR BUILD THESE LABORATORIES AND THE LIKE. BUT TO GET THOSE JOBS IN HIGH TECH. THE IDEA THAT HE IS CLAIMING TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO HAVE THE CLEANEST WATER? THE CLEANEST WATER? HE DOES NOT KNOW A THING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. I RETURNED TO THE PARIS ACCORDS 1.5 DEGREES CELSIUS EXTENSIONAL THREAT TO HUMANITY IS CLIMATE CHANGE, AND HE DID NOT DO A THING ABOUT IT. >> THE PARIS ACCORDS WAS GOING TO COST US TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND CHINA AND INDIA NOTHING. I ENDED IT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE THAT MONEY, BECAUSE THEY TREAT US HORRIBLY. NOBODY ELSE WAS PAYING INTO IT, AND IT WAS A DISASTER. EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID JUST NOW, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I TOOK CARE OF THE SENIORS. ON THE ONE THAT GOT THE INSULIN DOWN FOR THE SENIORS, I TOOK CARE OF THE SENIORS. WHAT HE'S DOING IS DESTROYING ALL OF OUR MEDICAL PROGRAMS, BECAUSE THE MIGRANTS COMING IN, THEY WANT EVERYBODY, AND LOOKED. I HAVE THE BIGGEST HEART ON THE STAGE, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT, AND I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE, BUT HE ITHEYESTROYIN ARE TAKING OVER OUR SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS, AND THEY WILL BE TAKING OVER SOCIAL SECURITY. HE IS DESTROYING SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID. >> THE IDEA THAT THE ONLY ONES WITH CONSEQ CONSEQUENCES NOT MEMBERS OF THE PARIS ACCORDS. HOW CAN WE DO ANYTHING IF WE DON'T GET THIS UNDER CONTROL. WE ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST POLLUTERS IN THE WORLD. PROGRESS BY 2035 WE WILL HAVE CUT POLLUTION IN HALF. WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS. FOR THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH PEACE CORPS, AND WE ARE MOVING IN DIRECTIONS CHANGED THAT CAUSE POLLUTION COULD BUT THE IDEA THAT HE CLAIMS THAT HE HAS THE BIGGEST HEART APPEAR AND IS CONCERNED ABOUT, ABOUT POLLUTION, AND ABOUT CLIMATE, I DON'T SEE ANY INDICATION OF THAT. AND BY THE WAY, WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, ONE COMPANY AGREED TO REDUCE THE PRICE TO $35, WHICH I WAS CALLING FOR. I MADE SURE EVERY COMPANY IN THE WORLD, EVERY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY-- >> THANK YOU >> SO, EVERY DAY, MILLION OF AMERICANS STRUGGLED JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET. FOR MANY OLD. >> AND BY THE WAY-- >> EVERY DAY MILLIONS OF AMERICANS STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET. FOR MANY OLDER AMERICANS, SOCIAL SECURITY PROVIDES A CRITICAL LIFELINE. PRESIDENT BIDEN, IF NOTHING IS DONE TO SOCIAL SECURITY SENIORS WILL SEE THEIR BENEFITS CUT IN JUST OVER 10 YEARS. WILL YOU NAME ONE SPECIFIC STEP YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE TO KEEP SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT? >> MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY MAKING UNDER $170,000 6% OF THEIR INCOME OF THEIR PAYCHECK EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GET A PAYCHECK FROM THE FIRST WHEN THEY GET AT 18 YEARS OLD. THE IDEA THEY ARE, I HAVE BEEN PROPOSING IT, MILLIONAIRES PAY 1%. 1%. TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE BY INCREASING THOSE UR $400,000 AND MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR SHARE, INCREASING 1% TO BEYOND TO GUARANTEE THE PROGRAM. >> HE STILL HAVE 82 SECONDS LEFT ARE THERE OTHER MEASURES YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT? >> THE BIGGEST THING I WILL DO WILL BE TO DEFEAT THIS MAN, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET RID OF SOCIAL SECURITY. THEY WANT TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE BOTH TIMES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRAM TRUMP PUT FORWARD BY THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS THAT HE SUPPORTS IS IN FACT WANTING TO CUT IT AS WELL. THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PROTECT OUR SENIORS IS RIDICULOUS. AND BY THE WAY, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS GREATER HEALTHCARE COVERAGE TODAY THAN EVER BEFORE. YOU ARE IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE 40 MILLION PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE INSURANCE, BECAUSE OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS ONLY ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE THAT INSURANCE IS THE FACT THAT THEY IN FACT AND BY THE WAY THE OTHER THING IS, WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT EDUCATION FOR BLACK COMMUNITIES, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM PELL GRANTS THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR AND WHEN MAKING UNDER $70,000 A YEAR TOWARDS TUITION. WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. .>DQ!9- HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESENT TRUMP? >> SO I'VE DEALT WITH POLITICIANS ALL MY LIFE. I'VE BEEN ON THE SIDE OF THE EQUATION FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY LIE LIKE THIS GUY. HE CAN LOOK YOU IN THE FACE AMONG SO MANY OTHER THINGS TOO. WE MENTIONED THE LAPTOP, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, UKRAINE, UKRAINE, AND EVERYTHING HE DOES IS A LIE. IT'S MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION. THE SUCKER STORY HE MADE UP HIS ALLY. SOCIAL SECURITY, HE'S DESTROYING IT, BECAUSE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND PUTTING THEM ONTO MEDICARE, MEDICAID, THEY ARE PUTTING THEM IN OUR HOSPITALS, THEY ARE TAKING THE PLACE OF OUR CITIZENS, WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE VA, TO OUR VETERANS IS UNBELIEVABLE LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS. HE DOESN VETERANS ARE LIVING IN THE STREET AND THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS. HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING. AND IT'S REALLY COMING BACK. I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH ANGER IN OUR COUNTRY BEFORE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE IDEA VETERANS ARE NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF, I TOLD YOU BEFORE, AND BY THE WAY, HE ACKNOWLEDGED HE FIRED THAT GENERAL, THAT GENERAL GOT STANDING WITH TRUMP WHEN HE SAID IT, NUMBER ONE. HE MBER WAS THE ITHE ONE WHO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT'S WHAT HE SAID HE WAS THE ONE STANDING WITH TRUMP WHEN HE SAID IT. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO. THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE ALL OF THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT IT, COMING INTO THE COUNTRY AND TAKING AWAY OUR JOBS, THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE THE FASTEST-GROWING ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY IN THE WORLD, WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN ANY OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD. AND BY THE WAY, ECONOMISTS ALL SAID THAT IF TRUMP IS REELECTED WE WILL HAVE A RECESSION. WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY VOTED HIM THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S TURN TO CHILDCARE WHICH MANY FAMILIES STRUGGLE TO AFFORD. MR. TRUMP, BOTH YOU AND MR. BIDEN HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, BUT THE COST HAS RISEN TO $11,000 PER YEAR PER CHILD FOR MANY FAMILIES. THE COST OF CHILD CARE FOR TWO CHILDREN IS MORE THAN THEIR RENT. IN YOUR SECOND TERM WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE CHILDCARE MORE AFFORDABLE? >> I FEEL LIKE THAT GENERAL GOT FIRED BECAUSE HE WAS NO GOOD. IF HE SAID THAT THAT'S WHY HE MADE IT UP. AND THEY ARE VERY HIGHLY RESPECTED MUCH MORE SO THAN HIM. THE OTHER THING IS HE DOESN'T FIRE PEOPLE. HE NEVER FIRED PEOPLE. BUT I FIRED A LOT OF THE TOP PEOPLE AT THE FBI, DRAINED THE SWAMP THAT WERE NO GOOD. NOT EASY TO FIRE PEOPLE BUT I INHERITED THESE PEOPLE, I DIDN'T PUT CALL ME THERE. HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED EVERY MILITARY MAN INVOLVED WITH THAT HORROR SHOW THE MOST EMBARRASSING IN OUR COUNTRY. DID YOU FIRE ANYBODY ON THE BORDER THAT'S ALLOWED THE WORST BORDER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD? ALLOWING 18 MILLION PEOPLE, MANY FROM PRISONS, MANY FROM, FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, DID YOU FIRE ANYBODY THAT ALLOWED OUR COUNTRY TO BE DESTROYED? JOE, OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DESTROYED AS YOU AND I SIT UP HERE AND WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS DEBATE. THIS SHOULDN'T BE A DEBATE. HE IS THE WORST PRESIDENT.Y OF COUNTRY. HE'S DESTROYED OUR COUN HE JUST SAID IT BECAUSE THEY SAID IT. HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. HE HAS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S TRYING TO GET TOUGH ON THE BORDER, HE CAME OUT WITH A NOTHING, A NOTHING DEAL AND REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT, LIKE THIS MUCH. IT'S INSIGNIFICANT. HE WANTS OPEN BORDERS, HE WANTS OUR COUNTRY TO EASILY BE DESTROYED OR WANTS TO PICK UP THOSE PEOPLE AS VOTERS, AND I DON'T THINK, WE JUST CAN'T LET IT HAPPEN. IF HE WINS THIS LECTION OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE, NOT EVEN A CHANCE, OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT. WE BUBBLY WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT ANYMORE, THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS. HE'S THE WORST IN HISTORY BY FAR. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> WE ARE THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THERE'S NOTHING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN HISTORY OF THE WORLD, THE FINEST IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. NO ONE WANTS TO SCREW AROUND WITH US. THE IDEA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WORST PRESIDENTS. LOOK IT UP ONLINE. NUMBER -- PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS, THEY HAD PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS HAVE MEETINGS, AND THEY VOTED HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY, WENT FROM BEST TO WORST, THEY SAID HE'S THE WORST IN ALL AMERICAN HISTORY. THAT'S A FACT. THAT'S NOT CONJECTURE. THAT'S WHAT THEY VOTED. THE IDEA HE IS DOING ANYTHING TO DEAL WITH CHILDCARE HE DID VIRTUALLY NOTHING FOR CHILDCARE. WE SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT, INCREASE THE ABILITY OF MEN AND WOMEN, SINGLE PARENTS, TO GO BACK TO WORK, AND TO HOPHA -- >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE CHILDCARE MORE AFFORDABLE? >> JUST HERE ON THE STAND, WE HAVE POLLING, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT RATE HIM THE WORST, BECAUSE WHAT HE HAS DONE IS SO BAD. I WILL SHOW YOU, AND THEY RATE ME ONE OF THE BEST, OKAY? AND IF I'M GIVEN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, I WILL BE THE BEST. I THINK I WILL BE THE BEST. NOBODY HAS EVER CREATED AN BY F. HE WANTS TO RAISE ECONOMY LIKE US. NOBODY CUT TAXES LIKE US. HE'S THE ONLY ONE, HE WANTS TO RAISE YOUR TAXES FOUR TIMES. HE WANTS TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES BY FOUR TIMES. HE WANTS THE TRUMP TAX CUTS TO EXPIRE SO EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE TWO OF YOU WILL PAY FOUR TIMES. I'VE NEVER HEARD THIS BEFORE. I SEE POLITICIANS TALKING ABOUT CUTTING TAXES, WELL, WE CUT TAXES AS THEY SAID, WE DID MORE BUSINESS , THE WORST PTHEYDENT I WEREG MONEY BACK INTO OUR COUNTRY. THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY BY FAR, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN TWO >> LOOK ON THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS HE'S DEAD WRONG ABOUT, HE WILL INCREASE THE TAXES ON MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE. I SAID I WOULD NEVER RAISE TAXES FOR ANYONE MAKING LESS THAN $400,000. I DIDN'T. EVERYTHING COMING INTO THE COUNTRY, ECONOMISTS SAY THAT WILL COST THE AVERAGE AMERICAN $2500 PER YEAR MORE, BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE. FOOD AND ALL THE REPORTING. TWO, HE'S IN A SITUATION, WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT HOW HE SOMEHOW HELPED THE MIDDLE CLASS. THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS BEEN DEVASTATED BY YOU. NOW YOU WANT A NEW TAX CUT OF $5 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS THAT WILL FUNDAMENTALLY BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY. NUMBER TWO. YOU HAVE NOT IN FACT MADE ANY CONTACT, MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH CHINA. WE ARE IN A DEFICIT WITH CHINA SINCE 2010. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. LET'S DISCUSS THE EPIDEMIC IMPACTING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, THE BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE A TOP PRIORITY IN YOUR FIRST TERM, THE OPIOID CRISIS. FOR BOTH OF YOU, THE NUMBER OF OVERDOSE DEATHS IN THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE UP UNDER YOUR TERM, IT WENT UP, UNDER YOUR TERM IT HAS GONE UP FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, DESPITE THE EFFORTS PEOPLE HAVE MADE MORE THAN 100,000 AMERICANS ARE DYING FROM OVERDOSES EVERY YEAR, FENTANYL AND OPIOIDS. WHAT WILL YOU DO FOR THOSE IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION TO GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED? >> WE WILL HAVE THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY WITH THIS GUY. WE HAD THE LARGEST DEFICIT WITH CHINA. HE'S A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, HE GETS MONEY FROM CHINA. SO I THINK HE'S AFRAID TO DO SOMETHING. NOTICE HE NEVER TOOK OUT MY TARIFFS, WE DID SO MUCH WITH TARIFFS ON CHINA, HE NEVER TOOK THEM AWAY, HE CAN'T, IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY. IT'S TREMENDOUS. AND THERE'S MORE TO COME, BUT HE HAS NOT DONE THAT, BUT HE HAS NOT CUT THE TARIFFS, BECAUSE HE CAN'T. BUT HE HAS THE LARGEST EFICIT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, AND HE'S GOT THE WORST, THE WORST SITUATION WITH CHINA. CHINA IS GOING TO OWN US IF YOU KEEP ALLOWING THEM TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US AS A COUNTRY. THEY ARE KILLING US AS A COUNTRY, JOE. AND YOU CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN. YOU ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE 67 SECONDS LEFT. THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT WILL YOU DO TO HELP AMERICANS IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION RIGHT NOW, TO GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED? >> JAKE, WE ARE DOING WELL WITH ADDICTION UNTIL COVID CAME ALONG. LIKE NOBODY'S EVER HAD BEFORE ANY COUNTRY IN EVERY WAY, AND THEN WE HAD TO GET TOUGH, AND DRUGS POURING ACROSS THE BORDER WERE, IT-- WE GOT GREAT EQUIPMENT, WE BROUGHT THE CERTAIN DOG THAT'S THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE WAY THEY CAN SPOT IT, WE DID A LOT, AND WE WERE GETTING VERY LOW NUMBERS, VERY VERY LOW NUMBERS READ THEN HE CAME ALONG, HAVE YOU SEEN THE NUMBERS NOW? IT'S NOT ONLY THE 18 PEOPLE THAT I BELIEVE WAS LOW, BECAUSE THE GOT A WAYS, THEY DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THOSE WHO GOT AWAY, BUT THE AMOUNT OF DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN WOMEN COMING ACROSS OUR BORDERS, THE WORST THING I'VE EVER SEEN, NUMBERS THAT NOBODY HAMBER OF DRUGS COMING ACROSS S EVER SEEN UNDER HIM, BECAUSE THE BORDER IS SO BAD. BUT, THE NUMBER OF DRUGS COMING ACROSS OUR BORDER NOW IS THE LARGEST WE'VE EVER HAD BY FAR. >> PRESENT HOME, THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> FENTANYL AND FENTANYL DEATHS WENT DOWN. IN MACHINE TO DETECT FENTANYL COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. BIPARTISAN DEAL. FENTANYL MACHINES, MORE WILL BE ABLE TO DETECT DRUGS, OR NUMBERS OF ALL PEOPLE AT THE BORDER. HE WENT AND CALLED HIS REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND SAID DON'T DO IT, THIS COULD HURT ME. IT'S A REALLY GOOD BILL. WE NEED THOSE MACHINES, WE NEED THOSE MACHINES, WE ARE COMING DOWN HARD IN EVERY COUNTRY IN TERMS OF PRECURSORS FOR FENTANYL AND MEXICO IS WORKING WITH US TO MAKE SURE TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO PUT IT TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED THOSE MACHINES. >> THINK LIKE YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. THE QUESTION IS ABOUT AMERICANS IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION RIGHT NOW STRUGGLING TO GET TREATMENT. >> THIS DOES PERTAIN TO IT. HE ENDED CATCH AND RELEASE. IN MEXICO, NOT HERE. HARD NEGOTIATIONS WITH MEXICO, AND I GOT IT ALL FOR NOTHING, IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A HOSTAGE AT $6 BILLION EVERY TIME THERE'S A HOSTAGE NOW WE HAVE A HOSTAGE THE WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTED, I THINK A GOOD GUY, AND HE IS OVER THERE, BECAUSE PUTIN IS LAUGHING AT THIS GUY PROBABLY ASKING FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE REPORTER. I WILL HAVE HIM OUT VERY QUICKLY AS SOON AS I TAKE OFFICE, BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE I SAID BY LITERALLY AS SOON AS I WIN THE ELECTION I WILL HAVE THAT REPORTER OUT, HE SHOULD HAVE HAD HIM OUT A LONG TIME AGO, BUT PUTIN IS ASKING FOR BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BECAUSE THIS GUY PAYS IT EVERY TIME. WE HAD TWO CASES WE PAID $6 BILLION FOR TWO PEOPLE. I GOT 58 OUT AND PAID ESSENTIALLY NOTHING. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. DANA? >> LET'S TURN TO VOTERS' CONCERNS ABOUT EACH OF YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU WILL BE 86 AT THE END OF YOUR SECOND TERM. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR CAPABILITY TO HANDLE THE TOUGHEST JOB IN THE WORLD WELL INTO YOUR 80s? >> FIRST OF ALL, I SPENT HALF I WAS THE SECOND YOUNGEST PERSON EVER YOUNGESTSTATTO THE UNBEING THE PERSON IN POLITICS. I WAS THE SECOND YOUNGEST PERSON EVER ELECTED TO THE UNITED STATES SENATE. NOW I'M THE OLDEST. LOOK AT THE RECORD, LOOK AT WHAT I'VE DONE, LOOK HOW I TURNED AROUND A HORRIBLE SITUATION HE LEFT ME. I CREATED 15 MILLION NEW JOBS. WE ARE INVESTING IN AMERICA, OVER BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND ENTERPRISES, WE ARE GROWING. BY THE WAY, WE BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMPUTER CHIPS WE INVENTED THOSE CHIPS AND LOST IT, BECAUSE HE WAS SENDING THE CHEAPEST JOBS OVERSEAS. I WENT TO SOUTH KOREA, I CONVINCED TO INVEST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. GUESS WHAT. TO DEVELOP THOSE CHIPS OF DOLLARS. AND THERE'S BILLIONS BEING INVESTED AND BUILT RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED STATES CREATING SIGNIFICANT JOBS FOR AMERICANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN YOU HAVE 40 SECONDS LEFT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? >> YEAH, I WOULD. THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW WE ARE THIS FAILING COUNTRY, I'VE NEVER HEARD A PRESENT TALK LIKE THIS BEFORE. COUNTRY PRESIDENT WHO WOULDN' HE COUNTRY PRESIDENT WOULD TRADE PLACES WITH THE UNITED STATES PRESENT. WE ARE THE STRONGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, WE ARE A COUNTRY WHO KEEPS OUR WORD, AND EVERYBODY TRUSTS US, ALL OF OUR ALLIES, AND THOSE HE SENDS LOVE LETTERS TO, PUTIN, ETC., THEY DON'T WANT TO SCREW AROUND WITH US END OF YOUR SECOND TERM.. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU WOULD BE 82 AT THE END OF YOUR SECOND TERM. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS ABOUT YOUR KID ABILITIES TO SERVE? >> I ACED THE TESTS AS YOU KNOW. HE TOOK NONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM TAKE ONE . I TOOK TWO COGNITIVE TESTS, I TAKE PHYSICAL EXAMS EVERY YEAR, AND WE KNOCK ON WOOD WHEREVER WE HAVE WOOD. TWO REGULAR CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS. BE QUITE SMART AND YOU TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO BE QUITE SMART, AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HIT THE BALL A LONG WAY, AND I DO IT. HE CAN'T HIT A BALL 50 YARDS. HE CAN'T HIT A BALL 50 YARDS. I THINK I'M IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. I FEEL I'M IN AS GOOD AS SHAPE AS I WAS 30 YEARS AGO. I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER, BUT I'M IN AS GOOD OF SHAPE AS I WAS YEARS AGO. I FEEL VERY GOOD. I FEEL THE SAME. BUT, I WAS WILLING TO TAKE A COGNITIVE TEST. I ACED THEM. DR. RUNNING JACKSON, WHO IS A GREAT GUY, THEN I TOOK ANOTHER ONE, AND ONE OF THEM SAID HEY HAD NEVER SEEN ANYBODY ACE ONE. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> HE SAID 6'4". JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE IS. I'LL BE HAPPY CONTEST. DOWN TO A SIX. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU PLAY GOLF YOU CARRY YOUR OWN BAG. >> HANDICAP OF ALL. >> HANDICAP? EIGHT? >> I'VE SEEN YOUR SWING >>-- >> LET'S NOT ACT LIKE CHILDREN. >> YOUR SPECIFIC CONCERN VOTERS HAVE ABOUT YOU. WILL YOU PLEDGE TONIGHT THAT ONCE ALL LEGAL CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED, AND THAT YOU WILL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS? AND, YOU WILL SAY RIGHT NOW THAT POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN ANY FORM IS AN EXCITABLE? >> WELL, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT, BUT OF COURSE I BELIEVE THAT. IT'S TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. AND, IF YOU SEE MY STATEMENTS I MADE ON TWITTER AT THE TIME AND THE ROSE GARDEN IS ONE OF THE SPEECH LARGEST CROWD OF EVER SPOKEN TO AND NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT, THEY TALK ABOUT A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WENT TO THE CAPITOL AND IN MANY CASES WERE USHERED IN BY THE POLICE, AND AS NANCY PELOSI SAID, THEY RESPONSIBILITY, NOT MINE, SHE SAID THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. BUT, THE ANSWER IS IF THE ELECTION IS FAIR, FREE, AND I WANT THAT MORE THAN ANYBODY, AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING-- I WISH HE WAS A GREAT PRESENT, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT NOW. I'D BE AT ONE OF MY MANY PLACES, ENJOYING MYSELF. I WOULDN'T BE UNDER INDICTMENT, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T, HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, BECAUSE HE INDICTED ME, BECAUSE I WAS HIS OPPONENT. I WISH HE WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE. THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE IS HE IS SO BAD AS A PRESIDENT THAT I WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. WE ARE A FAILING NATION, IS SERIOUSLY FAILING NATION, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF HIM. HIS POLICIES ARE SO BAD-- HIS MILITARY POLICIES ARE-- INSANE. THEY ARE INSANE. THESE ARE WARS THAT WILL NEVER END WITH HIM WAR III THAN ANYB CAN IMAGINE. WE ARE VERY, VERY . CLOSE HE WILL DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR III, AND WE ARE CLOSER TO WORLD WAR III THAN ANYBODY CAN IMAGINE. WE ARE VERY VERY CLOSE TO WORLD WAR III. AND HE'S DRIVING US THERE. AND CONJUNCTION AND PRESIDENT XI JINPING, KIM JONG UN OF NORTH KOREA, THEY DON'T RESPECT THEM, THEY DON'T FEAR HIM, THEY HAVE NOTHING GOING WITH THIS GENTLEMAN, AND HE'S GOING TO DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR III. >> JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT. ARTICLE 5. ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON ALL REQUIRED RESPONSE, THE IDEA, THE IDEA. I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE MAJOR IN THE WORLD WHO WOULDN'T TRADE PLACES WITH THE JOB I'VE DONE, BECAUSE WE ARE A POWERFUL NATION. BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE, NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BECAUSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE STEP UP WHEN WE NEED IT, AND RIGHT NOW WE NEED IT. WE NEED IT TO PROTECT THE WORLD, BECAUSE OUR OWN SAFETY IS AT STAKE. YOU WANT PUTIN LIKE WORK, TAKE HE HAVE AN KYIV THEN YOU HAVE A WAR. >>LONG THAT BORDER. THEN YOU HAVE A WAR. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESIDENT R BACK TO YOU FOR FOLLOW-UP, THE QUESTION WAS WILL YOU ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION, REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS? >> TO FINISH WITH WHAT HE SAID IF I MIGHT. RUSSIA-- THEY TOOK A LOT OF LAND FROM BUSH AND OBAMA AND BIDEN. THEY TOOK NOTHING FROM TRUMP. NOTHING. AND I GOT TO PLAY GAMES. I GOT ALONG WITH HIM WELL, BUT HE KNEW NOT TO PLAY GAMES. HE TOOK NOTHING FROM ME. BUT NOW, HE'S GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING FROM THIS MAN RIGHT HERE. THAT'S A WAR THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE STARTED. THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE STARTED EVER WITH ME. AND HE'S GOING TO TAKE UKRAINE. AND THE U.S. QUESTION BEFORE WOULD YOU DO THIS WITH HE GOT THIS IN SUCH A BAD SITUATION WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA, BECAUSE UKRAINE IS NOT WINNING THAT WAR. THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF SOLDIERS, THEY'VE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE IT'S SO SAD THEY'VE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE, AND THEY'VE LOST GORGEOUS CITIES WITH THE GOLDEN DOMES THAT ARE 1000 YEARS OLD ALL BECAUSE OF HIM AND STUPID DECISIONS. RUSSIA WOULD NEVER HAVE ATTACKED -- >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE QUESTION WAS WINS, YES OR NO, PLEASE? >> IF IT'S A FAIR AND : WOULD THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS? YES OR NO, PLEASE. >> IF IT IS A FAIR AND LEGAL ELECTION, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE ACCEPTED ON IT IN A WEEK OR T FRAUD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS RIDICULOUS. AND IF YOU WANT WE'LL HAVE A NEWS CONFERENCE ON IN A WEEK. WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE IN A WEEK. BUT, I WILL ABSOLUTELY, THERE'S NOTHING I WOULD RATHER DO, IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO DO THAT THAN UM-- RU I WOUN BE VERY HAPPY IT AGAIN. TO HE'S DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE SOMEPLACE ELSE IN A NICE HAPPY LOCATION SOMEPLACE ELSE. NO INDICTMENTS, NO CLINICAL OPPONENTS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY HE THINKS HE CAN WIN. IT'S DRIVEN UP NUMBERS TO A VERY HIGH LEVEL. THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT. >> WHEN YOU LOST THE FIRST TIME COURTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I WON ONE SINGLE COURT IN AMERICA SAID ANY OF YOUR CLAIMS HAD MERIT, NONE. YET YOU CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THIS LIE ABOUT SOMEHOW MISREPRL THIS STEALING. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT AT ALL. AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I REPRESENTATION, ALL THIS STEALING, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THAT AT ALL. AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I DOUBT YOU WILL ACCEPT IT, BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A WHINER, AND IF YOU LOSE AGAIN, YOU CAN'T STAND TO LOSE. >>> WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE CNN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, LIVE, FROM GEORGIA. ♪ >>> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. IT'S COMING AT US EVERY SECOND, FROM AROUND THE WORLD. NEWS IS MORE NOW THAN EVER. >> NOW IS RAW. >> THIS TUNNEL JUST GOES ON AND ON. >> NOW IS REAL. >> WE GET TO SEE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE 2024 RACE. >> THE FUTURE IS NOW. NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> I'M LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >>> I AM LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. YOU ARE WATCHING THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> IT'S HOSTED BY CNN. IN LESS THAN 10 MINUTES OR SO WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US FOR ANALYSIS WITH MAN'S KEY MOMENTS. >> OUR ANALYSTS WILL BREAK DOWN THE SHAKEUP BACK TO ATLANTA NOW. >>> CLOSING STATEMENTS AS DETERMINED BY A COIN TOSS. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> WE >> WE ARE A NATION OF PROGRESS WITH THE DEBACLE O I ASK ANYHIS OUT THERTERM. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FAIR TAX SYSTEM. ASK ANYONE IN THE UDIENCE, EVERYONE WATCHING THIS DEBATE, IF TAXES ARE FAIR. THE FACT IS, AS I SAID, NOBODY MAKING UNDER $400,00 -- IF I'M RE-ELECTED, THAT WILL BE THE CASE AGAIN.0 HAD TAXES HIS G INCREASE BY A PENNY. IF ELECTED I WILL MAKE THAT THE CASE AGAIN. BUT, THIS GUY HAS INCREASED YOUR TAXES, BECAUSE OF THE DEFICIT. ONE. HE'S INCREASED DEBACLE HE LEFT WHEN HE HANDLED THE PANDEMIC. AND PUT HIMSELF IN A POSITION WHERE HE NOW WANTS TO TAX YOU MORE BY PUTTING A 10% TARIFF ON EVERYTHING IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WHAT I DID FOR EXAMPLE, HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THE ABILITY OF NEGOTIATE BIG PHARMA COMPANIES. WELL GUESS WHAT. WE GOT IT DOWN TO $35 FOR INSULIN. NO MORE THAN $2000 FOR EVERY SENIOR. NO MATTER HOW MANY PRESCRIPTIONS THEY NEED. THAT REDUCED DEBT BY $160 BILLION, BECAUSE EXORBITANT PRICES. I WILL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO EVERY SENIOR, NOW, AND EVERYBODY IN AMERICA, HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE CHILDCARE. CREDITS PEOPLE HAVE CHILDCARE. WE WILL MAKE SURE WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING ON LEAD PIPES AND EVERYTHING CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO BRING DOWN INFLATION AND GIVE PEOPLE A BREAK. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOUR CLOSING STATEMENTS MARK >> LIKE MANY POLITICIANS, THIS MAN IS A COMPLAINER. WE WANT TO GET RID OF THIS TAX, THAT TAX, BUT HE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. HE ALL HE DOES IS MAKE OUR COUNTRY UNSAFE BY ALLOWING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO POUR IN. OUR MILITARY DOESN'T RESPECT HIM, WE LOOK LIKE FOOLS IN AFGHANISTAN. WE DIDN'T STOP ISRAEL, IT WAS SUCH A HORRIBLE THING THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, IRAN WAS BROKE. INCLUDING CHINA THEY COULDN'T DO BUSINESS WITH THE UNITED STATES. IRAN WAS BROKE, THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HEZBOLLAH OR TERRORISTS. BOUT ALL UKRAINE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. HE TALKS ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF BUT DIDN'T DO IT FOR 3 1/2 YEARS, WE ARE LIVING IN HELL. WE HAVE THE PALESTINIANS WRITING. THIS IS 100 TIMES CHARLOTTESVILLE. IT'S EXPLODING BECAUSE OF YOU, BECAUSE THEY DON'T RESPECT YOU. AND WHAT WE DID WAS INCREDIBLE WE REBUILD THE MILITARY, WE GOT THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY, THE REASON HE HAS JOBS IS BECAUSE I CUT THE REGULATIONS AND GAVE JOBS, BUT HE IS PUTTING REGULATIONS BACK ON. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE, EVEN FROM A MEDICAL WE WECAN DONE, NTRY DY'S S E SPACE-AGE MATERIALS INSTEAD OF GOING TO ASIA OR GOING TO EUROPE AND TRYING TO GET WHEN YOU ARE TERMINALLY ILL, NOW YOU CAN GO AND GET SOMETHING YOU SIGN A DOCUMENT, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET IT FOR 42 YEARS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, FOR THE MILITARY WAS INCREDIBLE CHOICE FOR OUR SOLDIERS WAITING FOR MONTHS TO SEE A DOCTOR CAN GO OUT AND GET THEMSELVES FIXED UP AND CARED AND LIVING, THAT'S WHY I HAD THE HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING, SOWE'RE IN A FAILING NATION, BUT IT'S NOT WE ARE FAILING TO NATION, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FAILING ANYMORE, WE WILL MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN. >> THANK YOU FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN , STAY WITH US, BECAUSE WE HAVE FULL ANALYSIS OF THIS DEBATE ANDERSON COOPER AND CNN. >>> SO WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING AS THEY WRAP UP THE DEBATE, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP MAKING HIS CLOSING STATEMENT, WRAPPING UP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE HOSTED BY CNN WITH MR. TRUMP FACING OFF AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> THE TWO DEBATED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES O THE DAY INCLUDING CHILD CARE, SOCIAL R SESOURITY, AND AND CLASHED ON TOPICS OF THE DAY INCLUDING ECONOMY, ABORTION, CHILDCARE, IMMIGRATION, AND THE KEY ISSUE, THE COMPETENCE OF BOTH MEN, BOTH ONE OF THE OLDEST PRESIDENTS IN HISTORY. >> PERSONAL ATTACKS, WE HEARD ABOUT GOLF SCORES AMONGST OTHER THINGS. IT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS DEBATE. LET'S BRING IN KRISTEN WELKER OF MEET THE PRESS AND SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT HALLIE JACKSON. KRISTEN, WHAT ARE THE HEADLINES RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS DEBATE? >> WELL, LESTER, NO WAY TO SUGARCOAT IT, THIS NIGHT GOT OFF TO A TOUGH START FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN. HE DELIVERED A PERFORMANCE THAT WAS AT TIMES HE SEEMED TO LOSE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT PERFORMAN AT TIMES HALTING. AT TIMES HE SEEMED TO LO AT IS TRAIN TIMES, HE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT ONE TOPIC, THE ECONOMY, AND SHIFTED TO AFGHANISTAN, WHICH, GAVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP END OPENING. THE TOPIC OF ABORTION, HIS STRONGEST TOPIC COMING INTO THE NIGHT, HE RAISED THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION, WHICH GAVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AN OPENING. AS THE NIGHT PROGRESSED, HE DID BEGIN TO PICK UP STEAM. HE HAD SOME REALLY STRONG MOMENTS ON THE ISSUES OF WHETHER THE MINISTRATION FOR EXAMPLE HAS DONE GOOD FOR VETERANS. ZOOMING OUT THIS WAS A DEBATE ABOUT PERFORMANCE, SERVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. ABOUT AND I HAD A NUMBER OF REPORTERS AT NBC NEWS HAVE HEARD FROM A RANGE OF DEMOCRATS WHO HIS ABILITY TO SERVE. A RANGE HAVE SAID THEY ARE CONCERNED. ONE TELLING ME "THIS IS EFFECTIVELY OVER. " THIS PERSON PREDICTING DEMOCRATS WILL STILL STAND BY BIDEN DESPITE THE FACT THAT WILL BE THE CASE MOVING FORWARD. BUT, THERE HAVE BEEN THE PERFORMANCE THAT THEY MOMEN TOUGH LANGUAGE, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO OFFER IN TERMS OF THE PERFORMANCE THEY SAW TONIGHT FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP UNLEASHED A TORRENT AT TIMES OF MISINFORMATION, SOME OF WHICH PRESIDENT BIDEN FACT CHECKED, SOME OF WHICH WENT UNANSWERED. YOU HAVE TO WONDER IF THE FORMAT OF THIS DEBATE, THE FACT THE MICROPHONES WERE MUTED PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS, BUT A SLOW START TO THE DEBATE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN. HE DID PICK UP STEAM. WE'LL SEE HOW PEOPLE READ IT. >> LET'S GET TO ATLANTA. WAS ESSENTIALLY TIED, PERHAPS, DONALD TRUMP IN MOST OF THE NATIONAL POLLS AND THE RACE IN SOME WAYS WAS ESSENTIALLY TIED, PERHAPS, DONALD TRUMP, AND MOST OF THE NATIONAL POLLS AND SWING STATE POLLS HAD A LEAD IN MOST OF THEM. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WANTED AND NEEDED A COMPELLING PERFORMANCE FROM THEIR CANDIDATES. DID THEY GET IT? >> FROM THEIR CANDIDATE. IF A VOTER EY GEWAS T? TUNING I LOOKING TO SEE THAT CONCERNS BEING ALLEVIATED, ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE OR STRENGTH OR CAPABILITY FOR OFFICE, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT'S WHAT THEY GOT FROM THIS PERFORMANCE, BUT PRESIDENT BIDEN TONIGHT, WHICH IT WAS SHAKY, IT WAS A SHAKY START, MEANDERING AT TIMES. I WILL TELL OU, ON THE LATTER HALF I HEARD FROHO HAS BEEN A STRONG SUPPORT OF PRESIDENT BIDEN WHO ARE SUA ESTED THEDEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER, A STRONG SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT BIDEN WHO SUGGESTED THE POSSIBILITY, SAVANNAH, OF PERHAPS AN OPEN CONVENTION OR REPLACING BIDEN ON THE TICKET. IT'S PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT THE FACT THAT IS EVEN A SHADOW HANGING OVER THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN, IS AT MINIMUM, A HEADACHE FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN MOVING INTO THIS NEXT STRETCH. AND AT WORST, POTENTIAL, SOMETHING THAT WILL DOG THEM FOR MONTHS, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM VOTERS IN POLLING CONSISTENTLY, WHICH IS CONCERN ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN. ALL THAT SAID, I AM AND THUS BEEN ROOM, THEY CALL IT THAT FOR A REASON, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SURROGATES FOR BOTH CAMPAIGNS. THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THEIR CANDIDATES DID WELL. FROM TEAM BIDEN SUGGESTING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR EXAMPLE IN JANUARY 6th WAS NOT A GOOD ONE, THAT PEOPLE ARE TURNED OFF BY HIS INSULT, BY HIS ATTACKS HERE. THE SOCIAL ECONOMY WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, SAVANNAH AND LESTER, THAT THESE SHAREABLE MOMENTS, IF THEY ARE NOT WATCHING TONIGHT, PERHAPS THE NEXT DAY AFTER, AND THERE ARE MOMENTS HERE THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WILL FIND TOUGH TO SWALLOW BASED ON THE PRESENT'S PERFORMANCE TONIGHT. >> SPEAKING OF THE SPIN ROOM AND SURROGATES, WE WANT TO GO TO NATIONAL COCHAIR FORMER MAYOR MITCHELL ANDREW. MR. MAYOR, LET'S PUT A FINE POINT ON IT, WAS THIS A COMMANDING PERFORMANCE FROM YOUR CANDIDATE? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A BAREKNUCKLE BRAWL. HE STARTED OUT SLOW BUT THEN CAME BACK, BUT THE MOST COMPELLING THING THAT YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS THAT WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS SPEAKING HE WAS LYING. THE FACT THERE WAS NO FACT CHECKING IS INCREDIBLE. IT'S HARD TO DEBATE SOMEBODY UNTETHERED TO THE TRUTH, HE DOUBLED DOWN THAT JANUARY 6th WAS NOT A BIG DEAL, THAT HE THOUGHT THOSE FOLKS WERE PATRIOTS, HE DOUBLED DOWN ON THE ELECTION RESULTS, HE DOUBLED DOWN ON ROE V. WADE BEING A GOOD DECISION WHEN YOU FACT CHECK WHAT WAS SAID HE WILL FIND ALMOST EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP SAID TONIGHT THAT BE THE CONVERSATION, OR WILL THE CONVER WASON BE A FABRICATED LIE. >> WILL THAT BE THE CONVERSATION-- MR. MAYOR, WILL THAT BE THE CONVERSATION? OR WILL IT BE ABOUT THE PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE? >> I THINK BECAUSE OF THE WAY PEOPLE ANALYZED THE DEBATES IT WILL BE FIRST ABOUT THE PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE, BUT, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WAS SAID, I THINK THE TAKE AWAY WAS THAT JOE BIDEN WAS RIGHT ON THE SUBSTANCE, HE TOLD THE TRUTH. HE HAS A RECORD, AMERICA IS STRONGER, PEOPLE RESPECT US MORE, THE ECONOMY IS BETTER, AND DONALD TRUMP, LITERALLY TO EVERY QUESTION HE WAS ASKED WHAT HE DIDN'T TELL THE TRUTH. IT WAS LIKE HE WAS LIVING IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE. IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION. I THINK YOU SAW THAT IN REAL TIME TONIGHT. LET ME FINISH. WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN ACTUALLY FIGHTING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY BELIEVES IN, AND DONALD TRUMP BECOMING OBSESSED WITH HIMSELF AGAIN, ALMOST BEING UNHINGED IN THOSE MOMENTS. >> MR. MAYOR, YOU TALK ABOUT FACT CHECKS. THE POLLS SHOW IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHETHER OR NOT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS THE COMPETENCE AND ABILITY TO COMPLETE A SECOND TERM. THE FACT CHECKS ABLE TO ASSESS, WAS THE PRESIDENT BIDEN YOU SAW TONIGHT.VISUAL YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS THE PRESIDENT T ANOT FOUR YEARS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW TONIGHT? >> I AM. I SERVED WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR TWO YEARS. I'VE SERVED WITH HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS. I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE SLUGGISH BUT ROSE TO THE OCCASION. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT NIGHT. IT WAS A BAREKNUCKLE BRAWL, BUT I AM GLAD HE STOOD UP TO TRUMP WITH TRUTH. >> COCHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL TURN NOW TO SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT TOM LLAMAS ON THE FLOOR OF THE SPIN ROOM. >> HEY, SAVANNAH, GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. CAMPAIGN ELECTIONS ARE ALL ABOUT STRATEGIES. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY IN THE ROOM IS A LITTLE ODD THEY ARE WAITING FOR ANY DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST, ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS JOE BIDEN TO COME OUT AND DEFEND HIS PERFORMANCE. RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. THEY'VE CHOSEN A DIFFERENT SPACE FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THEY WILL HAVE SURROGATES THERE AS WELL, BUT IF I TURN THE CAMERA AROUND, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS. THESE ARE TRUMP SURROGATES OUT HERE, PEOPLE LIKE VIVEK RAMASWAMY, STEFANO, RUBIO AS WELL. THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THE TRUMP TEAM IS OUT HERE ON THE OFFENSE SAYING BASICALLY THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A VERY BAD DEBATE, THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTING HAD A MUCH BETTER DEBATE, AND THE DECISION IS CLEAR THAT IF THE AMERICAN VIEWERS, THE VOTERS SAW THE PERFORMANCE FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN, THE CHOICE IS CLEAR. AGAIN, I AM SURE IN THE MOMENTS TO COME PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE OUT, SOMEBODY FROM HIS TEAM WILL COME OUT HERE AND DEFEND THE PRESENT'S. PRESIDENT'S PERFORMANCE. THEY ARE WAITING FOR ANYONE TO COME OUT FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN. THIS IS THUS BEEN ROOM. AS FAR AS STRATEGY GOES AND WHERE THE REPORTERS ARE THIS IS WHERE EVERYONE IS RIGHT NOW. ALL THESE PEOPLE YOU SEE HERE, THESE REPORTERS AND CAMERAS, THEY ARE SURROUNDING TRUMP SURROGATES. SENATOR TIM SCOTT. LET'S WALK OVER. VIVEK RAMASWAMY IS OVER HERE. SENATOR RUBIO IS OVER HERE. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET A WORD FROM SENATOR RUBIO. WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU. >> VERY GOOD, TOM. THANK YOU. JOINING US NOW, GOVERNOR DOUG BURGUM. YOU FOR BEING WITH US. >> LESTER, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. >> WE HEARD FROM A BIDEN SURROGATE FOR THE CAMPAIGN, THAT FLOODED THE ZONE WITH UNTRUTHS, HALF-TRUTHS, WHAT'S YOUR REACTION? >> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A WELL THINK MYRY STRONG REACTION IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A VERY STRONG PERFORMANCE, AND I THIN ANSWER ON INFLATION.K THE CHALLENGES JOE BIDEN HAD DELIVERING A MESSAGE AND DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON INFLATION OR THE BORDER, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT AMERICANS, THE AMERICANS I TALKED TO, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE AFFECTING THEM MOST. IT'S ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY WITH THE BORDER. WE DIDN'T HEAR ANSWERS TO THAT. AS A BUSINESS GUY LISTENING TO IT, IT'S CLEAR THAT JOE BIDEN HAS GOT A 50-YEAR-LONG PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ANTIBUSINESS. OF FOR OF COURSE HE WANTS TO RAISE TAXES AND EVERY SOLUTION IS HIGHER TAXES AND MORE SPENDING. SO I THINK PEOPLE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING NEW. THERE WAS NO VISION THERE. PEOPLE I THINK NOW THEY ARE BETTER OFF WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> GOVERNOR, THE FACT THERE WAS NO AUDIENCE, DO YOU THINK IN THE END THAT HELPED THE FORMER PRESIDENT? >> WELL, I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOWED WHAT HE SHOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHETHER HE IS IN SMALL GROUPS, OR WHETHER HE IS AT FUNDRAISERS, HE IS RIGHT NOW, IN A GREAT SPOT. HE IS CALM AND HE'S STRONG, HE'S CONFIDENT, THIS IS NOT THE HIMSELF BY A GREAT CAMPAIGN TEAM. AND GOING FORWARD I THINK THAT SHOWED HIS PERFORMANCE TONIGHT. >> A LOT OF FOLKS ARE TUNING IN THEY ARE NOT POLITICAL FANS LIKE YOU AND ME ARE. ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THEY REMEMBER IS JANUARY SIXTH, CLAIMING PEOPLE WRITING AT THE CAPITOL, HEARING FROM THEM AGAIN TONIGHT, POINT BLANK, IF YOU LOSE THE ELECTION, WILL YOU CONCEDE, AND HE DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY. HE'S ALWAYS HEDGING IT. WHY DOESN'T HE COME OUT AND SAY OF COURSE I WILL ACCEPT THE ELECTION RESULTS? >> I THINK YOU HEARD HIM SAY THAT AT THE END. WE KNOW IN OUR COUNTRY BEING A DEMOCRACY THIS IS A CHALLENGE-- >> THAT'S JUST A RED HERRINGIN AND OUR COURTS AND EVERY OTHER . INSTITUTI EVERY INSTITUTION FOUND IT WAS A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION, YET HE IS STILL ON ABOUT THAT AND WON'T SAY HE WILL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. I DON'T GET THAT. WELL, I THINK FOR ANY OF US THAT WERE AROUND, I WAS ALSO PART OF THAT 2020 ELECTION, WE HAD A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION IN NORTH DAKOTA, WE GOT ELECTION SECURITY THERE, BUT WE HAD SO MANY RULE CHANGES IN 2020 WITH COVERTS. WE HAD A RECORD NUMBER OFLOODIN THEMAILNE W IN BALLOTS TO NON-UPDATED VOTER FILES, UNMONITORED DROP BOXES, YOU CAN VERIFY THIS WAS A NUMBER OF BALLOTS THAT GOT TOUTED, BUT I'M A GUY THAT SPENT MY LIFE IN BUSINESS PROCESSES, AND WHEN YOU HAVE UNMONITORED DOCUMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE PATH OF THAT DOCUMENT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM, THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE PASSED ANY KIND OF AUDIT, A QUARTERLY AUDIT FROM A PUBLIC COMPANY. SO I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, AND AMERICA, WHETHER IT'S THE 2000 ELECTION, CHALLENGED IN ONE TOWN IN FLORIDA, THE '16 ELECTION, THEY CLAIMED RUSSIAN INTERFERENCEEITHER OF THE DIFFERENT P, TIES THE 200 ELECTION, THREE OF OUR LAST FIVE ELECTIONS, PARTIES WERE SAYING THERE WAS CONCERN. >> WE HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT SELECTION PROCESS. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? >> HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO BE VP? THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE'S DECIDED. YOU ARE THERE, JD VANCE IS THERE, MARCO RUBIO IS THERE. >> THERE IS SO MUCH TALENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTYURE THAT'S >> DO YOU EXPECT NO WITH THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK IS THIS WEEK? >> TONIGHT IS ABOU AND HE'LL MAKET THAT PRESIDENT IS TRUMP'S BIG VICTORY. HE WILL MAKE THAT DECISION. >> HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED? HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED? >> THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO KNOWS THAT, AND THAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> GOVERNOR, THANKS. >> I THINK THAT'S A NO. GOVERNOR, THANK YOU. >> AND BC'S GADI SCHWARTZ HAS BEEN TALKING DEBATE WITH VOTES . DOUBLE HATERS. >> AS THAT DEBATE WENT ON DOUBLE HATE IS PROBABLY NOT THE WORD THAT THIS PANEL WOULD USE TO DESCRIBE THEIR FEELINGS, BUT ONE POSSIBLE BOTH CANDIDATES WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? DOUBLE WHAT? DOUBLE FRUSTRATED. HOW ABOUT YOU? >> DOUBLE CRINGE. I WAS WATCHING YOU AS YOU WERE WATCHING THIS DEBATE, I SAW A LOT OF CRINGING, I SAW ANGER AT TIMES. IF THERE WAS ONE MOMENT THAT STUCK OUT TO YOU, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> THE MOMENT WHEN THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH ABOUT GOLFING. BACK TOWARDS THE END? >> YEAH. THEY DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION THE MODERATOR ASKED, THEY KEPT GOING BACK AND FORTH. IS THIS REAL? IT FELT REALLY WEIRD. >> HOW ABOUT YOU? WHAT WAS A MOMENT THAT STUCK OUT TO YOU? >> WELL, WE ARE NOT ON DONALD TRUMP PUFF IS ONE OF MANY PROPERTIES, WE ARE SUFFERING FROM CLIMATE CHANGE. TO SAY THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH OUR CLIMATE IS YET ANOTHER LIKE OUT OF MANY TOLD TODAY. >> A CRINGE MOMENT WAS IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE IN FIRST GRADE, SECOND GRADE. THAT IT IS ALL THE DEMOCRATS, THAT BIDEN PUT INTO OFFICE, NOTHING IS, JOE BIDEN'S FAULT EITHER, BECAUSE I HAD TO CLEAN UP YOUR MESS, SO FIGURE IT OUT, BOYS. TECHNICAL, WHEN IT COMES TO-- I SAW YOU CRINGING A FEW TIMES DURING BIDEN'S SPEECH. WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS WHEN YOU ARE WATCHING THAT? >> I MEAN, HE JUST REALLY STRUGGLED TO GET OUT A COHERENT THOUGHT. HE TRIED TO GET BACK ON TRACK TO THE CONVERSATION. IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO WATCH HIM. >> AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DEBATE WATCH PARTIES WHERE THREE OF YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT PAST THREE OR FOUR QUESTIONS, YOU WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OFF. VERY INSIGHTFUL. >> FOLKS SHARING THEIR FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW TONIGHT. GADI SCHWARTZ, THANK YOU. MORE RIGHT AFTER THIS. >>> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> THE PAPER TOWEL WILL ABSORB THE ACID. >> GREEN TEA TO CALM ACNE. >> BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT. >> YOU JUST SAVED 40 BUCKSO . OUR SPECIAL COVE >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. WITH A SECOND DEBATE IN SEPTEMBER, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT WILL HAPPEN. AND SEARCHING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TONIGHT BASED ON YOUR SOURCES. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT. SOURCES HAVE REACHED OUT TO SAY EXACTLY THAT, THAT THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT . THE POLLING IN THE DEBATE WAS TO SHAKE UP RATES GOING INTO TONIGHT. PRESIDENT BIDEN TRAILING WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR NATIONALLY, AND IN BATTLEGROUND STATES, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, PEOPLE START PAYING ATTENTION TO TURN THIS RACE AROUND, AND HOPE WAS THAT HE WOULD DELIVER A COMMANDING PERFORMANCE. SO HERE THEY ARE NOT GOING INTO THE CONVENTION AT A TIME WHEN IT'S SUMMER, WHEN PEOPLE WILL UNDOUBTEDLY START TO TUNE OUT AGAIN. IT REMAINS AN UNKNOWN, BUT STILL A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE CONVENTION FOR DEMOCRATS. >> THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, WILL THIS MOMENT BE FROZEN IN TIME? YOU HAVE FOLKS ABOUT READY TO ENJOY THE JULY 4th HOLIDAY, YOU HAVE THE OLYMPICS COMING UP, PEOPLE'S ATTENTION IS BEGINNING TO BE DIVIDED IN MANY WAYS. KS >> ABSOLUTELY, IT COULD BE FROZEN IN TIME, AND I THINK THE LAWMAKER WHO I HEARD FROM SAYING THIS IS EFFECTIVELY [ INAUDIBLE ] >> IT IS THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. TOM LLAMAS AS CONTINUING COVERAGE ON HIS STREAMING NETWORK, NBC NEWS NOW. X WE WILL HAVE FALL WRAP UP TOMORROW MORNING ON TODAY SAVANNAH GUTHRIE AND COMPANY. >> AND LESTER WILL BE THERE FOR NIGHTLY NEWS TOMORROW, THANKS FOR WATCHING. >> GOOD NIGHT. >> [ MUSIC ] >> THIS IS NBC NEWS COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, A HISTORIC FACE-OFF. >> WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A CONVICTED FELON, HIS SON IS A CONVICTED FELON AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. >> A PRESIDENT AND FORMER PRESIDENT DEBATING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY. >> THE WHOLE WORLD IS BLOWING UP UNDER HIM. HE IS GOING TO DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR III. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN MAKING HIS CASE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS. >> GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT AND GIVE PEOPLE A BREAK. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP FIGHTING TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE BACK. >> WE ARE A FAILING NATION, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FAILING ANYMORE, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT RIGHT AGAIN. >> AND THE BIGGEST EVENT YET OF THE 20 2408 ELECTION. >> I GAVE HIM A COUNTRY WITH ESSENTIALLY NO INFLATION. >> THERE WAS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW WHY? [ INAUDIBLE ] >> IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION, OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE, NOT EVEN A CHANCE OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT. >> WERE THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THERE IS NOTHING OUT OF OUR CAPACITY. >> REPORTING TONIGHT AT THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN ATLANTA, HERE IS TOM LLAMAS. >> AND GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR STAYING UP WITH US AFTER THAT FIERY FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE ARE IN THE SPIN ROOM RIGHT NOW LIVE IN ATLANTA, POSTDEBATE, SURROUNDED BY SUPPORTERS AND INSIDERS FROM BOTH CAMPAIGNS. I WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE SPIN ROOM FOR RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING INTERESTING HAS HAPPENED. OVER THE LAST 40 MINUTES, THE BIDEN-HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS FINALLY COME OUT TO THE SPIN ROOM, THEY ARE FINALLY ANSWERING QUESTIONS. IT TOOK THEM A WHILE. USUALLY IN THESE SITUATIONS RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE, THE CAMPAIGN TEAM COMES RIGHT OUT AND HAS UNIFIED MESSAGE BUT WHAT WE SAW BUT AFTER THIS DEBATE WAS TEAM TRUMP HAD SURROGATES ALL OVER THE PLACE, COMING OUT TO THE SPIN ROOM FLOOR, ESSENTIALLY ATTACKING PRESIDENT BIDEN, ATTACKING HIS MENTAL FITNESS, TYPING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HE SAID DURING THE DEBATE, AND IT TOOK ABOUT 30 MINUTES FOR THE BIDEN-HARRIS TEAM TO COME OUT HERE BUT NOW WE HAVE SENATOR WARNOCK AND GAVIN NEWSOM AND OTHER BIDEN SPOKESPEOPLE. I DO WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT COMING OUT OF THIS DEBATE. AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BATTLED IT OUT THERE ON THE DEBATE FLOOR, OVER THE 90 MINUTES, THE TWO CANDIDATES WERE [ INAUDIBLE ] , BOTH ACCUSING THE OTHER OF BEING THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY AND TAKING THE U.S. ECONOMY, AN ISSUE AT TOP OF MIND FOR VOTERS, AND TAKING IT, BOTH SLAMMING THE OTHER FOR THAT. TRUMP SLAMMING BIDEN FOR A CRISIS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. HE ALSO CRITICIZED BIDEN'S HANDLING OF THE WORDS IN BOTH GAZA AND UKRAINE. BIDEN LOST TRACK OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ANSWER ABOUT MEDICARE. >> MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH THE -- WITH THE COVID, EXCUSE ME, DEALING WITH EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH YOU KNOW, FINALLY BEAT MEDICARE. >> TRUMP LATER QUESTIONING BIDEN'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS. >> I'M GOING TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE GET A TOTAL BAN. TOTAL INITIATIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH MORE BORDER PATROL AND MORE [ INAUDIBLE ] >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE, I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT YOU SAID EITHER. >> TWO SOURCES TELLING NBC NEWS PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A COLD, YOU COULD CLEARLY HEAR THAT DURING THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE. BIDEN BROUGHT UP TRUMPS CRIMINAL CONVICTION. >> HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS? [ INAUDIBLE ] FOR DOING A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, OF HAVING SEX WITH A PORN STAR WHEN YOUR WIFE WAS PREGNANT. >> I DO HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR. >> WE WANT TO GO TO SOME LIVE PICTURES RIGHT NOW, WE UNDERSTAND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS GONE TO A WATCH PARTY HERE IN ATLANTA POSTDEBATE, LET'S LISTEN IN. >> [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> LET'S KEEP GOING. SEE YOU AT THE NEXT ONE. GOD LOVES YOU ALL. HEADING TO NORTH CAROLINA. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU WANT ME TO GO HOME WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >> [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> ALL RIGHT, WE WERE JUST LISTENING TO PRESIDENT BIDEN RIGHT THERE AT HIS POSTDEBATE WATCH PARTY, TRYING TO FIRE UP THE CROWD THERE. I WANT TO GET RIGHT OVER TO OUR CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST, NBC'S CHUCK TODD. THIS IS QUITE THE DEBATE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, A DEBATE UNLIKE ANY OTHER WE HAVE SEEN. I WANT TO GET YOUR ANALYSIS IMMEDIATELY RIGHT AFTER THIS DEBATE AND WHAT IT MEANS. >> LOOK, WE BEGAN THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE THIS DEBATE, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS WOULD EITHER CANDIDATE LOOK LIKE THE CARICATURE THAT THE OTHER CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN TRYING TO PAINT OF THEM. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, JOE BIDEN LOOK LIKE THE CARICATURE THAT CONSERVATIVE MEDIA PAINTED, AND THERE WERE NO CLIPS TONIGHT. YOU SAW IT BEFORE YOUR EYES. I DON'T WANT TO JUST TELL YOU WHAT I THINK HERE, TOM. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF LEADERS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, ELECTED COALITION LEADERS. THERE IS A FULL ON PANIC ABOUT THIS PERFORMANCE. NOT LIKE, OH, THIS IS RECOVERABLE, IT IS MORE OF A, OKAY, HE HAS GOT TO STEP ASIDE, THERE IS A LOT OF THAT CHATTER. THIS IS ABOUT AS BAD OF A PERFORMANCE IN ORDER TO -- THAT BIDEN COULD HAVE DELIVERED IF HIS GOAL WAS TO TRY TO SORT OF CALM THE WATERS AMONG DEMOCRATS. LOOK, THERE WAS A POLL OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT SHOWS A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, NOT JUST ELECTED DEMOCRATS, RANK AND FILE DEMOCRATS ARE BOTH SUPPORTIVE OF BIDEN, BUT THINK YOU SHOULD NOT BE SEEKING A SECOND TERM. I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE POLLING ON THAT AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE THAT NUMBER EVEN HIGHER. WITH THE PANIC LEVEL PARTICULARLY AMONG ELECTED DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE TO SHARE THE BALLOT WITH HIM. THERE IS A FULL ON PANIC TONIGHT. MAYBE THEY WILL GET CALMED DOWN IN THE MORNING, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE -- THERE IS A LOT OF CHATTER AMONG DONORS TONIGHT, A LOT OF CHATTER AMONG MAJOR ELECTED LEADERS TONIGHT. AGAIN, IF THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN -- THEY HAVE A LOT OF COMBING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START DOING. OR THEY MAY SEE THIS GET MOMENTUM PUBLICLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN STOP THAT. >> CHUCK, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU OPEN UP ANY NEWS WEBSITE RIGHT NOW AND YOU SEE THE HEADLINES, THE HEADLINES ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRATIC VOTER, IF YOU ARE SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PARTY AND NOW YOU'RE CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU HEAR YOUR PARTY LEADERS ARE CONCERNED AS WELL, WALK YOUR VIEWERS WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD OR COULD NOT HAPPEN. IS HE GOING TO RUN NO MATTER WHAT? IS THIS CONVERSATION TOO EARLY TO HAVE? IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE DEMOCRATS CAN GET TOGETHER? IF HE IS NOT THEREBY, IS THERE ENOUGH TIME TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE? >> THIS IS INTRIGUING, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WANTS A DEBATE BEFORE YOU PASS THE LAST -- BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION. IF JOE BIDEN DECIDES HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEEK THIS NOMINATION, HE CAN RELEASE ALL HIS DELEGATES. AND THEN IT BASICALLY BECOMES AN OPEN CONVENTION. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A REAL OPEN CONVENTION SINCE 1952. AND THAT BECOMES A WHOLE -- YOU MIGHT HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT, A COUPLE OF GOVERNORS, THE HOME STATE GOVERNOR IN ILLINOIS WHO IS THE HOST OF THE CONVENTION, WANTING TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF AN ILLINOIS GOVERNOR IN 1952 WHO IS ABLE TO GATHER THAT NOMINATION, ADLAI STEVENSON, WHEN THE CONVENTION DECIDED TO HAND IT TO HIM. BUT IT ALL BEGINS WITH JOE BIDEN WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WALK AWAY FROM THESE THINGS. THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT. I MEAN, YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT OF A FIGHT TONIGHT, THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY HE WAS THROWN OFF A LITTLE BIT AT THE BEGINNING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE THROWN OFF AND YOU'RE SURPRISED THAT INFLATION IS THE FIRST QUESTION, BUT THAT IS THEIR EXCUSE. >> TO CALM THE WATERS, I DON'T BUY IT. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, TOM, I THINK THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC DEMOCRATS TO BE WATCHING FOR AND TO SEE IF THEY SAY ANYTHING, AS I THINK THERE ARE TWO DEMOCRATS WHO IF THEY WENT PUBLIC WITH THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF JOE BIDEN COULD STOP THE FREIGHT TRAIN. ONE WOULD BE NANCY PELOSI AND THE OTHER WOULD BE BARACK OBAMA. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW IN THIS PROCESS, IN THIS PARTY. >> CHUCK, IT IS INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THE TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN SOME OF HIS BIGGEST SUPPORTERS TO DATE, AND YOU ARE RIGHT, HIS STRONGEST VOICES TO DATE. I DO WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING, DO YOU THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICAL MALPRACTICE BY HIS STAFF TO ANNOUNCE MIDWAY THROUGH THE DEBATE THAT HE HAD A COLD, AND NOT HAVE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT EARLY ON, SO THEY COULD BE READY? FROM WHAT WE SAW WITH JOE BIDEN IN THE BEGINNING, IT COULD NOT BE TRUE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN. THANKS PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES, DO YOU SAY IT IN ADVANCE, HE HAS GOT A COLD, AND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO LOWER THE BAR? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GOOD ANSWER THERE, BUT LOOK, AMONG THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO SAID THAT IS HIS PERFORMANCE AFTER FIVE DAYS AT CAMP DAVID? THAT IS AFTER BREAST? SO, I DO THINK, FRANKLY, THE CAMPAIGN HAD TO COME OUT WITH SOME EXPLANATION, BECAUSE I GUESS THE COLD IS WHAT THEY HAVE GOT TO HANG THEIR HAT ON. >> CHUCK, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT ANALYSIS. I WANT TO GO OVER TO STEVE KORNACKI. YOU RUN THE NUMBERS FOR US, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE GREAT POLITICAL INSIGHT. WHERE COULD A PERFORMANCE LIKE THIS FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN HURT HIM THE MOST? WHICH VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIS AGE? >> CONCERNING THE NUMBERS, THERE WAS A POLL THAT CAME OUT JUST 24 HOURS BEFORE THIS DEBATE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, AND THEY ASKED THIS QUESTION WHEN IT CAME TO AGE, THEY ASKED WITH EACH CANDIDATE, IS AGENT SUCH AN ISSUE IN YOUR VIEW THAT THE CANDIDATE IS IN CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE JOB OF BEING PRESIDENT? THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED, AND 45% OF THE VOTERS IN THAT POLL SAID THAT BIDEN'S AGE, THIS IS BEFORE THE DEBATE, WAS SUCH THAT HE COULD NOT HANDLE THE PRESIDENCY. THE NUMBER FOR TRUMP WAS ONLY 16%. COMING INTO THIS DEBATE BY A 3 1 MARGIN, THAT'S WHAT THE CONCERN LEVEL WAS WHEN IT CAME TO JOE BIDEN, HIS AGE, AND THE PRESIDENCY. IT IS GOING TO TAKE PROBABLY ABOUT A WEEK OR SO TO GET SOME REALLY GOOD POLL NUMBERS IN RESPONSE TO THIS, BUT DOES THAT NUMBER RADICALLY INCREASE AS A RESULT OF THIS? BECAUSE ONE OF THE FEATURES OF THIS CAMPAIGN HAVE BEEN THAT BIDEN AND TRUMP ARE ONLY FOUR YEARS APART IN AGE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS GAP WHEN IT COMES TO CONCERN ABOUT THEIR AGE. THE BIDEN OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT WAS TO GET RID OF THOSE FEARS. THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT WAS A POOR PERFORMANCE, WHAT THOSE FEARS BE EXACERBATED? A BIGGER QUESTION COMES WITH THIS DISCUSSION THAT IS NOW SUDDENLY TAKING PLACE IN PUBLIC, ON THE AIRWAVES, ALL OVER THE PLACE, ABOUT BIDEN AND ARE WE SURE HE IS GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE OR WOULD THE PARTY TURNED TO SOMEBODY ELSE? WHEN HE AGREED FOR THE PARTY TO TURN TO SOMEBODY ELSE? LET'S SEE IN A WEEK WHAT THE POLLING SHOWS, BECAUSE THE REACTION RIGHT NOW IS EVERYTHING YOU ARE HEARING. >> ALL RIGHT, STEVE KORNACKI FOR US. I WANT TO GET OVER TO THE MODERATOR OF MEET THE PRESS, KRISTEN WELKER. YOU KIND OF PUT IT IN A WAY, COMING OUT OF THIS DEBATE, OF HOW YOU COULD SORT OF CHARACTERIZE WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE DEBATE. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HEADLINES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT CONCERN AMONG DEMOCRATS. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR SOURCES, AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN CAN'T BOUNCE BACK FROM? OR IS THERE ENOUGH TIME BEFORE ELECTION DAY? THAT'S THERE IS CERTAINLY ENOUGH TIME BEFORE ELECTION DAY, TOM, THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK WHAT CHUCK SAID HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THERE IS WIDESPREAD PANIC AMONG DEMOCRATS. I GOT A NUMBER OF TEXT MESSAGES THIS EVENING, DEMOCRATS REACHING OUT TO SAY THIS IS DIFFICULT TO WATCH, WHERE DOES THIS GO FROM HERE? ONE DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER, TOM BOEING, GOES AS FAR AS TO SAY THIS RACE IS EFFECTIVELY OVER. ON THAT QUESTION, THE BUZZ THAT HAD STARTED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE AN OPEN CONVENTION, LAWMAKERS SAY THE BELIEF IS THAT DEMOCRATS WILL BE LOYAL SOLDIERS. THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BACK BIDEN FOR AS LONG AS HE IS IN THIS RACE, BUT THAT REALLY CAPTURES, TOM, THE LEVEL OF PANIC THAT I THINK YOU ARE SEEING INSIDE DEMOCRATIC CIRCLES. AGAIN, JUST TO STRESS, LOOK, THE PRESIDENT GOT OFF TO A SLOW, HALTING START, HE SEEMED TO LOSE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT AT VARIOUS MOMENTS, HE SEEMED TO GIVE TRUMP OPENINGS WHEN THERE WEREN'T ANY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ABORTION AND PIVOTED TO THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION, WHICH ALLOWED TRUMP TO JUST GET IN THERE. AND OF COURSE, LEVEL HIS NUMBER OF ATTACKS, MANY OF THEM UNSUBSTANTIATED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. I WAS TALKING TO ONE DEMOCRAT WHO SAID WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS SPEAKING FROM HIS HEART, THAT IS WHEN YOU SAW THE MOST FIRE AND FURY, THAT'S WHEN HE WAS ON THE STEADIEST GROUNDS. BUT WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO RECALL FACTS AND FIGURES AND GIVE LISTS OF STATS, THAT IS WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE HE WAS STRUGGLING THE MOST. AND SO, THE DEMOCRATS WHO WERE WATCHING THIS AS IT WENT ON THOUGHT THAT HE DIDST PICK UP SPEED WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT VETERANS AND FOREIGN POLICY, BUT AGAIN, YOU ALSO SAW TRUMP BARREL FORWARD, UNLEASH MISTRESS. YOU AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, THE FORMAT OF THIS DEBATE COMES IN, THE FACT THAT THE MICROPHONES WERE MUTED MEANT THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN COULDN'T JUMP IN AND FACT CHECK IN REAL TIME, HE HAD TO WAIT FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TO FINISH HIS THOUGHT, AND THEN TRY TO GET IN THERE AND FACT CHECK RETROACTIVELY, IT'S A TOUGH THING TO DO. AND IN THIS CASE, IT SEEMS TO HAVE BACKFIRED AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN. HOW WILL DEMOCRATS FEEL TOMORROW, HOW WILL THEY FEEL IN THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS? NEXT UP IS THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION. WE HAVE STILL GOT SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE WE GET TO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION, A LOT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. >> KRISTEN WELKER FOR US, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE BIG QUESTION, HOW DO DEMOCRATS FEEL ABOUT THIS PERFORMANCE? JOINING US RIGHT NOW, SPECIAL GUEST INSIDE THE SPIN ROOM, SENATOR TIM SCOTT FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. YOU HAVE BEEN PART OF A LOT OF DEBATES. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT? >> THE WORST CANDIDATE I EVER SAW BY A CANDIDATE. IT WAS A POWERFUL, UNDENIABLE WIN FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND [ INAUDIBLE ] IT WAS TOUGH TO WATCH AT TIMES, BECAUSE JOE BIDEN FROZE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS ANSWERS. SENDING SHOCKWAVES THROUGHOUT THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT, WITHOUT ANY QUESTION. AND SADLY FOR US, WE SAW DONALD TRUMP TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE CARE ABOUT, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO ISSUES, THE ECONOMY AND THE SOUTHERN BORDER. AND FRANKLY, THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO, FOUR YEARS OF DONALD TRUMP VERSUS FOUR YEARS OF JOE BIDEN COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR. >> I DO HAVE TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT. AS A POWERFUL PERFORMANCE FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP OR JUST A VERY BAD NIGHT FOR BIDEN? >> I THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP STAYED ON THE TOPICS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT. THEY CAREFIRST ABOUT THE SOUTHERN BORDER AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT THAT IS OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. ON THE TWO BIG ISSUES, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS DOMINANT. JOE BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT, REALLY BAD NIGHT. YOU KNOW IT IS A BAD NIGHT WHEN YOUR CAMP STARTS PUTTING OUT HE HAS A COLD BEFORE THE DEBATE IS EVEN OVER, TRYING TO LOWER EXPECTATIONS. HE HAS BEEN AT CAMP DAVID FOR A WEEK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A STRONG PERFORMANCE. THAT WAS A TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE. >> THE DEBATE AT TIMES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BETTER WORD THAN SILLY, WHEN THEY WERE COMPARING GOLF SCORES AND GOLF SWINGS, IS THAT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT? DID THAT HELP ANYBODY OUT? >> I THINK WE SAW AN ABSOLUTELY STRONG DEBATE PERFORMANCE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, HOW DO WE SOLVE THE CRIME THAT IS RAVAGING NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE WHERE I GREW UP? THEY WANT TO KNOW, HOW DO WE SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF INFLATION, MAKING SO MANY THINGS UNAFFORDABLE? WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES, [ INAUDIBLE ], THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET TO SAY DO I WANT THIS GUY TO BE MY PRESIDENT OR THAT ONE? AND THE ANSWER WAS DONALD TRUMP. AND FRANKLY, I HAVE BEEN HEARING IT ALL NIGHT. WHETHER YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC OR INDEPENDENT, YOU JUST KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG ON THE DEBATE STAGE WITH JOE BIDEN'S PERFORMANCE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE SOME BOLD CLAIMS, HE COULD END THE WAR IN UKRAINE AND GET WALL STREET REPORTER EVAN GERSHKOVICH BACK OUT OF RUSSIA BEFORE HE WAS EVEN INAUGURATED. HE IS MAKING THOSE CLAIMS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? >> I HOPE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE. >> BUT HOW IS IT POSSIBLE? >> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN HOW DO WE STOP 70,000 AMERICANS FROM LOSING THEIR LIVES TO FENTANYL? WHY IS IT THAT WITH JOE BIDEN, EVERY SINGLE COUNTY IN AMERICA IS A BORDER COUNTY? WE NEED TO GET BETTER AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET BETTER IS TO FIRE JOE BIDEN AND TIRE DONALD TRUMP. >> MAYBE YOU HAVE HEARD THIS, BUT HE USED A PHRASE SAYING THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, AND THEY ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS AND HISPANIC JOBS. WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THAT PHRASE? WHAT EXACTLY DID HE MEAN? DOES HE MEAN LOW-WAGE JOBS? WHY DOES HE HAVE TO INSERT RACE INTO IT? >> THE THING I THOUGHT WAS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION WAS WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THAT WE SEE OUR VETERANS HOMELESS ON THE STREET AND YOU CAN CONTRAST THAT AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS. THAT IS THE KIND OF MOMENT THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE AND SAY, I WANT THE GUY WHO WANTS TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. >> BUT WHEN HE SAYS A PHRASE LIKE BLACK JOBS AND HISPANIC JOBS, DOES THAT OFFEND SOME AMERICAN VOTERS, DO YOU THINK? >> I DON'T THINK SO. WHETHER YOU ARE A BLACK PERSON OR WHITE PERSON, HISPANIC, ASIAN, NATIVE AMERICAN, THE ONE THING YOU WANT ARE MORE JOBS, YOU WANT YOUR WAGES GOING UP. [ INAUDIBLE ] SAW THEIR WAGES GO UP FASTER THAN THE TOP. THAT TRANSLATES INTO MORE SPENDING POWER. WITH JOE BIDEN, WE HAVE SEEN THE EXACT OPPOSITE. $28,000 OF LOST SPENDING POWER OVER THE LAST 3 1/2 YEARS. SO, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT BLACK JOBS VERSUS WHITE JOBS, I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS DONALD TRUMP PROVIDED MORE AMERICAN JOBS. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO MAKE A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT AT THE CONVENTION, HIS RUNNING MATE, IS THAT GOING TO BE YOU? >> I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHO HE CHOOSES, BUT WHAT WE DO AS A PARTY AND AS A NATION TO COME TOGETHER FOR A UNITED AMERICA. >> HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR ANSWER ON THAT? IT SOUNDED LIKE HE REALLY WANTED IT BEFORE. YOU STILL WANT IT? THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS ANYBODY WOULD BE HONORED TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET, THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE MY STORY IS EVEN POSSIBLE. BUT MORE IMPORTANT, IT IS NOT ABOUT ME. IT IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WHAT THAT PERSON WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH FOR EVERYDAY AMERICANS, WORKING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. >> SENATOR TIM SCOTT, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WHEN WE COME BACK, MUCH MORE ANALYSIS OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HEAR FROM VOTERS, WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THE DEBATE AND THEIR OPINIONS. THAT IS NEXT. >> [ MUSIC ] >> WHEN YOU LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND YOU SEE THE KEY BRIDGE, WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR HEAD? >> THAT RICH HAS BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE BEEN ALIVE. >> HUNDREDS OF ISRAELIS HAVE GATHERED TO DEMONSTRATE. >> WHAT DO THE PEOPLE IN GAZA NEED MOST? >> PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS HAVE FOUND COMMON GROUND. >> EVERY NIGHT, IT IS YOUR NEWS PLAYLIST, TOP STORIES WITH TOM LLAMAS WEEKNIGHTS AT 7:00. >> HE CAUSED THIS INFLATION, I GAVE HIM A COUNTRY WITH ESSENTIALLY NO INFLATION. >> THERE WAS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT. [ INAUDIBLE ] >> WELCOME BACK, AS WE RECAP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE BEST MINDS IN POLITICS SAY ABOUT THIS, WHAT SURROGATES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS DEBATE, BUT ONLY VOICES THAT MATTER ARE THE VOICES OF VOTERS. SHAQ BREWSTER WITH ONE OF OUR FOCUS GROUPS, WALK OUR VIEWERS THROUGH WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THEM AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AFTER THIS DEBATE. >> I WILL TELL YOU, THERE IS A LOT OF SURPRISE IN WHAT FOLKS HEARD HERE. WE CAME HERE TO PHILADELPHIA BECAUSE THIS IS THE PLACE THAT YOU SEE BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES COME TO JUST IN THE PAST MONTH, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING BLACK VOTERS. WHAT YOU HEARD COME UP IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS. LET'S INTRODUCE THE GROUP OF VOTERS BEHIND ME. LET'S JUST START WITH THE QUESTION OF RAISE YOUR HAND FOR ME IF YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN IN 2020, AND KEEP YOUR HAND UP IF YOU'RE STILL WITH HIM THIS TIME AROUND, AFTER THAT DEBATE. SLOWLY GOING DOWN. YOU TOLD ME YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNDECIDED, IT'S A TOSS UP FOR YOU. DID ANYTHING SHIFT FOR YOU AFTER THAT DEBATE? >> [ INAUDIBLE ] UNDERSTANDING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS FAR AS DEMOCRATS. [ INAUDIBLE ] >> A POLICY CONVERSATION? YOU SAID ECONOMY WAS YOUR BIGGEST ISSUE COMING INTO THIS. DID YOU LIKE HOW HE RESPONDED ON THAT ISSUE? >> I AM HOPEFUL. I AM HOPEFUL FOR IT. I AM HOPING HE WILL CONTINUE WHAT IS NECESSARY TO BOOST THE ECONOMY BACK UP TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AT, SO WE CAN ALL CONTINUE [ INAUDIBLE ] X THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE POSITION PERFORMANCE OF THE PRESIDENT. HOW DID YOU THINK HE PERFORMED ON STAGE TONIGHT? >> I GRANT HIM A SEAT. >> WHY'D YOU GIVE HIM THAT GRADE? >> HE WASN'T REALLY INFLUENTIAL, BASICALLY. [ INAUDIBLE ] LISTENING TO HIM AND TRYING TO HEAR WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. >> YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE FOR BIDEN COMING INTO THIS DEBATE. LEAVING THIS DEBATE, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING NOW? >> I'M STILL THINKING THE SAME THING. I'M STILL THINKING THAT AS AMERICANS, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES. AND SO, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE CHOICE, OR AT LEAST I HAVE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE CHOICE THAT WILL BE LESS DETRIMENTAL TO MY COMMUNITY. >> AFTER THAT DEBATE, YOU STILL SEE BIDEN AS THE BEST WORST OPTION? >> YES, YES. AND SO, I WILL BE VOTING FOR BIDEN. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK HERE? BECAUSE YOU SAID BIDEN HASN'T EARNED YOUR VOTE. THAT YOU WOULDN'T SUPPORT TRUMPET AFTER HEARING THAT, YOU MENTIONED HAMAS, YOU MENTIONED A LOT OF ISSUES. AFTER HEARING THAT DEBATE, WHERE IS YOUR MIND AT NOW? >> I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HAMAS. >> THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS. >> SO, I WASN'T SWAYED, I DON'T THINK. CERTAINLY NOT ON THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, BIDEN'S SUPPORT -- UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL. HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT'S LAID ME ON THAT ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT I DID LIKE. HE DID TALK ABOUT RAISING THE CAP ON SOCIAL SECURITY TO MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. HE DID TALK ABOUT RAISING TAXES ON BILLIONAIRES. AS OPPOSED TO TRUMP WHO LOVES ANOTHER $5 TRILLION TAX CUT FOR MILLIONAIRES. THAT IS A BIG ISSUE, THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. >> THANK YOU, THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND AND WATCHING THIS DEBATE WITH US. AND TOM, THAT IS THE FIRST REACTION, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION WE HAVE BEEN HAVING, A LOT OF TOPICS COVERED IN THAT DEBATE AND WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT, WE ALWAYS LEARN SO MUCH FROM THE VOTERS. JOINING ME NOW, HALLIE JACKSON, YOU JUST SPOKE TO GOVERNOR NEWSOM. IT IS A TOUGH NIGHT FOR DEMOCRATS, WHAT DID HE TELL YOU? >> PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR HIS SENSE OF HOW HE THINKS PRESIDENT BIDEN DID. I ASKED HIM THAT, AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE HEARD NOW FROM SEVERAL TRUMP AIDES, THEY THINK IT IS SUBSTANCE OVER STYLE, THEY THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD [ INAUDIBLE ] EVEN IF STYLISTICALLY, WE HAVE REPORTED THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAID HE HAD A COLD. INTERESTINGLY, I ALSO ASKED HIM ABOUT SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT TONIGHT, AS DID MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES, THIS IDEA OF DEMOCRATIC PANIC. HE SAID DO MORE, WORRY LESS. THAT IS HIS MESSAGE TO THOSE DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW, ESSENTIALLY IMPLORING THEM TO GET OUT AND CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN, TO MAKE THE CASE MORE STRONGLY AND MORE EFFECTIVELY THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD BE THE ONE TO TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE.OBABLY A HALF D- >> I WANT TO ASK YOU, THOUGH, YOU HAVE A SENSE FOR THIS, YOU INTERVIEW SO MANY PEOPLE, JUST LIKE I DO. DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU WERE GETTING SPUN BY GOVERNOR NEWSOM? OR DO YOU THINK HE WAS TELLING YOU THE FULL TRUTH OF THE WAY HE FEELS? >> [ INAUDIBLE ] >> DIDN'T FEEL FORCED QUESTION I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ HIS MIND. HE IS OBVIOUSLY VERY AMBITIOUS, PRETTY MUCH AT EVERY INTERVIEW, HE IS A NAME THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING, HE IS THE GOVERNOR OF THE BIGGEST STATE IN THE UNION. DID YOU GET A SENSE THAT YOU BELIEVED WHAT HE WAS TELLING YOU? >> [ INAUDIBLE ] I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN HIS MIND. HERE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY, YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A TIMEFRAME HERE, MAYBE LAST YEAR, WHERE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSTERNATION, THAT MAY BE GAVIN NEWSOM -- [ INAUDIBLE ] TAKE ON PRESIDENT BIDEN, TAKE ON THE MANTLE FROM PRESIDENT -- VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS. I THINK THAT HE IS HERE TONIGHT, GAVIN NEWSOM IS ALL AND BEHIND PRESIDENT BIDEN. I WOULD NOT EXPECT HIM TO COME OUT AND SAY, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE TRULY SHOCKING AND BREAKING NEWS GAVIN NEWSOM CAME ON AIR AND SAID, YES, I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD BE REPLACED. HE IS NOT GOING TO SAY THAT, THAT IS OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. YOU ARE HEARING THAT FROM SOME DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING ONE LAWMAKER I HAVE SPOKEN WITH WHO HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF BIDEN ALL ALONG. >> WE HAVE COVERED A LOT OF THESE, AND I KNOW IT IS MAYBE SOME MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK TEAM, BUT WHEN WE CAME OUT OF THIS DEBATE, THE TRUMP TEAM FLOODED THE SPIN ROOM, THERE ARE STILL HERE. AND WE'RE TALKING MULTIPLE SENATORS. AND WITH THE BIDEN TEAM, WE HAVE SENATOR WARNOCK, GOVERNOR NEWSOM, THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST NAMES THAT ARE OUT HERE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY ARE AGAINST FIVE TO 10 TRUMP SURROGATES THAT ARE WORKING THIS ROOM. I AM ASKING YOU FROM LOGISTICAL STANDPOINT, IT IS A LITTLE ODD, RIGHT? >> [ INAUDIBLE ] THEY HAVE ANOTHER EVENT GOING. PRESIDENT BIDEN SPEAKING THERE. THEY HAVE WORKED TO SORT OF COUNTER PROGRAM THAT. [ INAUDIBLE ] I WILL SAY THAT FOR THE TRUMP TEAM, WHAT IS VERY CLEAR IS THAT THIS IS A VICTORY LAP FOR THEM. DONALD TRUMP AFTER THE DEBATE WAS, I AM QUOTING HERE, JUBILANT. WE SPOKE IN THE MINUTES AFTERWARD ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE AND WHERE HE TAKES THIS NEXT. THE SENSE IS THEY WANT TO COME OUT AND ONE OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT I HEARD IS IT WAS A LOPSIDED -- IT WAS A LOPSIDED VICTORY, AND [ INAUDIBLE ] SEVERAL OF THEM SUGGESTED IT IS THE GREATEST VICTORY EVER IN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY. I BELIEVE THAT TO THE HISTORIANS TO DECIDE. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE BIGGER QUESTION OF IF IT WASN'T SUCH A BAD NIGHT FOR BIDEN, WAS IT REALLY SUCH A GOOD NIGHT FOR DONALD TRUMP? >> DONALD TRUMP DODGED ALL QUESTIONS. HE SPREAD MISINFORMATION, HE LIED ABOUT HIS RECORD ON CERTAIN POSITIONS. BUT THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ALSO HAPPEN TONIGHT AS WELL. THAT SAID, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR VOTERS GOING INTO TONIGHT HAS BEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. >> IT IS ALL THE HEADLINES TONIGHT. >> IF YOU WERE TUNING IN TO LOOK FOR ANY KIND OF REASSURANCE FROM BIDEN, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT YOU GOT IT. >> IF YOU JUST WATCHED THE FIRST 30 MINUTES, THAT IS DEVASTATING FOR THE DEMOCRATS. >> THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS SUGGESTING, OBVIOUSLY, THEY BELIEVE HE GOT STRONGER AS THE NIGHT WENT ON, HE HAD A COLD AND DID BETTER AS THE EVENING WENT ON. [ INAUDIBLE ] DO YOU WATCH 90 MINUTES OF SOMETHING YOU MISSED? YOU WATCH CLIPS ON TIKTOK OR WHATEVER. THERE WILL BE MOMENTS THAT THEY WILL CLICK AND SHARE, LIKE ON JANUARY 6th. >> ALL RIGHT, HALLIE JACKSON, THANK YOU. TAKE A QUICK BREAK, WE ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK. JD VANCE IS GOING TO BE ON OUR SHOW RIGHT AFTER THIS, STAY WITH US. REX [ MUSIC ] >> GROWING FRUSTRATIONS OVER THE MIGRANT CRISIS. >> THE STORM IS CREATING DANGEROUS CONDITIONS ALL ACROSS THE REGION. >> NOW TO SOME FINANCIAL HEADLINES, NEW RULES ARE COMING TO CAP CREDIT CARD LATE FEES. >> TALKING TUITION AS A NEW CLASS OF FRESHMEN GETS READY TO GO TO COLLEGE. >> DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD IMPACT HOW PEOPLE VOTE? >> 100%. >> MORNING NEWS NOW, STREAMING WEEKDAYS AT 7:00. >>> [ INAUDIBLE ] >> I DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR. >> ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS SOME OF THE DEBATE, ONE OF THE LOWER MOMENTS OF THAT FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE HERE IN 2024. WELCOME BACK TO OUR POSTDEBATE COVERAGE. WE ARE JOINED NOW LIVE BY OHIO SENATOR JD VANCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT. WE HAD YOUR COLLEAGUE ON, TIM SCOTT. PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, BUT WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE DEBATE QUESTION >> TWO THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, AN INCREDIBLE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE LOW ENERGY OF JOE BIDEN AND THE HIGH ENERGY OF DONALD TRUMP. I THINK IT CREATED INCREDIBLE CONTRAST TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BETWEEN A GUY WHO HAS HAD A FAILED RESIDENCY, BUT ALSO A VERY BAD DEBATE VERSUS A GUY WHO HAD A VERY GOOD PRESIDENCY AND A VERY GOOD DEBATE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS A REMARKABLE DIFFERENCE IN COMPASSION SHOWN BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES. THE BIDEN BORDER CRISIS, WHICH I THINK IS ALL ON JOE BIDEN, OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH ME, NO REAL COMPASSION SHOWN FOR THE PEOPLE WHOSE CHILDREN HAD BEEN KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS OR PEOPLE KILLED THEMSELVES. [ INAUDIBLE ] I THINK THAT DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO GET LOST BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A DISASTER FOR BIDEN, BUT -- HIGHLIGHTS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN COMPASSION BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES. >> I HEAR YOU, BUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO HAS A LONG HISTORY OF NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE. HE DIDN'T CARE FOR SENATOR McCAIN BEING TORTURED IN A VIETNAMESE PRISON. HE HAS MADE FUN OF GOLD STAR FAMILIES, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED ALL THROUGHOUT THE 2016 CAMPAIGN. HE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF NOT SHOWING COMPASSION. >> ANYBODY CAN POINT TO A PARTICULAR MOMENT. I'M SAYING IN THIS PARTICULAR DEBATE, I THINK IT REVEALED THAT THOSE CRITICISMS ARE VERY OFTEN BASED ON A MISREPRESENTATION OF WHO HE ACTUALLY IS, BECAUSE YOU SEE HIM TALKING ABOUT AMERICA AFFECTED BY THE POLICIES OF JOE BIDEN. WHETHER YOU THINK THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY HAS BEEN A SUCCESS OR A DISASTER, I THINK IT HAS BEEN A DISASTER, YOU HAVE GOT TO RECOGNIZE THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE HURT BY THOSE POLICIES. NOT ONCE DID JOE BIDEN SAY I COULD HAVE DONE BETTER OR I SHOULDN'T HAVE LET THAT PERSON COME IN AND MURDER THESE INNOCENT KIDS. THERE WAS NO REAL SENSE OF COMPASSION AND PRESIDENT BIDEN AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO LEAVE A MARK WITH THE ELECTORATES. >> OHIO USED TO BE A SWING STATE. FOR SWING VOTERS THAT ARE STILL THERE, WHAT YOU THINK THEY GOT OUT OF THIS ELECTION? IF YOU ARE A SWING VOTER, WHAT SUBSTANCE DID YOU GET OUT OF THIS DEBATE? >> THERE WERE MOMENTS OF SUBSTANCE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE WERE PERSONAL JABS BACK AND FORTH, BUT THERE WAS SOME SUBSTANCE. FOR EXAMPLE, BIDEN ACCUSED HIM OF CAUSING HIGH INFLATION. WHEN DONALD TRUMP LEFT OFFICE, INFLATION WAS 1.4%, IT SKYROCKETED ABOUT A YEAR INTO THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY. I THINK VERY CLEARLY, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE OF GROCERIES OR A MORTGAGE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTUAL DIFFERENCE AND SAY DONALD TRUMP WAS RIGHT, INFLATION WAS LOW DURING HIS PRESIDENCY, IT ELEVATED DURING JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY. I THINK THERE WAS A REAL DIFFERENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY. JOE BIDEN KEPT ACCUSING DONALD TRUMP OF BEING FRIENDLY WITH THE RUSSIANS. DROP PUSHED BACK AND SAID VLADIMIR PUTIN ACTUALLY INVADED UKRAINE ON YOUR WATCH. EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE SOME PERSONAL JABS, I ACTUALLY THINK THERE WAS MORE SUBSTANCE. >> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO SEEMED TO ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT DURING THE GEORGE FLOYD PROTEST. YOU LOSE TRACK OF THE TIMELINE OF WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT DURING THOSE PROTESTS AND IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING. >> I THINK THERE WERE TWO POINTS THAT TRUMP WAS MAKING THERE. FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC POLICIES, MAYORAL POLICIES, THE ATTACK ON POLICE THAT HAPPENED DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT BY DEMOCRATIC MAYORS THAT LED TO THE SPIKE IN CRIME AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD DEATH. BUT THE SECOND POINT HE WAS MAKING PRETTY DIRECTLY IS, I THINK, LOOK, YOU GUYS WENT AFTER A LOT OF PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ELECTION OF 2020, BUT YOU LET ALL OF THESE PEOPLE OFF COMPLETELY SCOT-FREE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE BURNING DOWN AMERICAN CITIES. I THINK THAT TRUMP WAS HIGHLIGHTING THE TWO TIER SYSTEM OF JUSTICE THAT JOE BIDEN ALLOWED IN THIS COUNTRY. >> DID YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A SECOND DEBATE, AND YOU THINK FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL AGREE TO QUESTION >> I HOPE THERE WILL BE A SECOND DEBATE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE IT. I THINK WHETHER YOU LIKE DONALD TRUMP OR JOE BIDEN, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT CONTRAST FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SEE. I HEAR A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS SPINNING THIS THING, THEY RECOGNIZE THIS WAS A DISASTER, SO I THINK THERE WILL BE PRESSURE ON JOE BIDEN NOT TO DEBATE AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE. >> YOU THINK VOTERS WILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRUMP'S TEMPERAMENT WERE REASSURED IN THIS DEBATE? I ASK THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD THOSE PERSONAL ATTACKS ABOUT PORN STAR'S, ABOUT CONVICTIONS, IT SEEMED TO REALLY RATTLE HIM AND GET HIM TO LOSE HIS COOL. HE WAS SAYING EARLIER CULTURE WAS COMPASSIONATE, TALKING ABOUT CALLING THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF MORTARS -- BUT YOU KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP SO WELL, DID HE STILL HAVE A TEMPERAMENT ISSUE? >> I DIDN'T SEE HIM LOSING HIS COOL. WHAT I SAW WAS HIM GETTING A LITTLE FIRED UP. WHEN SOMEBODY SLANDERS YOU OF CRITICIZING AMERICAN STRIPS, AND I KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T SAY THAT, OF COURSE HE IS GOING TO GET FIRED UP AND PUSHED BACK, BUT HE DIDN'T LOSE HIS TEMPER. I THINK HE SHOWED A PROPER AMOUNT OF HUMAN EMOTION. RETURNING TO HIS POINTS HE WANTED TO MAKE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I THINK IF YOU WATCH THIS, YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, THIS IS A GUY WHO SOMETIMES FEELS THINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK HE LOST HIS COOL. >> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE VP STAKES. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE A NEW VERSION OF THE APPRENTICE. YOU, SENATOR RUBIO, TIM SCOTT, YOU GUYS ARE ALL FLYING AROUND, FOLLOWING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE AN AUDITION. HOW DOES IT FEEL FOR YOU? YOU ARE A UNITED STATES SENATOR, YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE GREAT PEOPLE OF OHIO AND YOU ARE PART OF TEAM TRUMP, YOU ARE ON THIS CAMPAIGN TRAIL. DO YOU JOIN THIS PROJECT? >> I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME. FIRST OF ALL, THE BEST WAY I THINK FOR ME TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF OHIO IS TO CONTINUE TO BE A GREAT UNITED STATES SENATOR, BUT TO ADVOCATE FOR A PRESIDENT WHO IS GOING TO PUT THEIR INTERESTS FIRST, CLOSE THE BORDER, AND BRING DOWN INFLATION. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BE ADVOCATING FOR DONALD TRUMP. WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE DEEP STAKES, THE BEST THING THAT I CAN DO RIGHT NOW ON THE CITIZENRY SET IS TO MAKE AS AN EFFECTIVE OF AN ARGUMENT AS I CAN THAT WE NEED TO ELECT BETTER PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, BECAUSE I WANT THE PEOPLE IN OHIO TO HAVE BETTER LIVES. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BETTER LIVES IF WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CORRUPT, INEFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT. >> THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAD AN EDITORIAL OUT AND THEY ENDORSED GOVERNOR DOUG BURGUM TO BE THE RUNNING MATE. THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION, I'M SURE YOU READ IT. MR. VANCE AND RUBIO BRING MUCH LESS TO THE TICKET. MR. VANCE IS A YOUNG MAN TRYING TO BE DON JUNIOR, THOUGH THAT ROLE IS ALREADY TAKEN. ON FOREIGN POLICY, MR. VANCE IS A POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST AND OPPOSING MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE. WHAT DO YOU SAY? THAT'S I WOULDN'T SAY THE WALL STREET JOURNAL IS NECESSARILY CONSERVATIVE, I THINK THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH CAUSING A WAR IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD. IT IS OPPORTUNISM FOR ME TO SAY THAT JOE BIDEN'S POLICY IS A DISASTER. WHEN I TOOK THAT POSITION, THAT WAS A POLITICAL MINORITY POSITION. NOW, OF COURSE, THE MARKET PEOPLE HAVE COME AROUND TO MY VIEW THAT WRITING LIMITLESS CHECKS TO A WAR THAT HAS NO END WITH A REAL RISK OF ESCALATION IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WHAT I THINK WE NEED, YOUNG OR OLD, IS LEADERSHIP WHO ARE DE- ESCALATING THE WORST CONFLICTS, WHO ARE BRINGING ABOUT PEACE AND PROSPERITY IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD. THAT IS WHY I AM SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. WHOEVER HE PICKS FOR VICE PRESIDENT, HE IS THE GUY WE NEED. >> HAS HE ASKED YOU TO JOIN THIS TICKET? >> HE HAS NOT. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR HONESTY, I APPRECIATE IT. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK, STAY WITH US. >> [ MUSIC ] >> WHAT IS THE MESSAGE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET OUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE? >> WE HAVE.IMPORTANT NEWS THIS HOUR ABOUT YOUR MONEY. >> WHY IS IT SO TOUGH RIGHT NOW? >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. X ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE ROLE OF THE SUPREME COURT IS PLAYING IN THE 2024 ELECTION? >> IS OR NOT MORE ISRAEL CAN DO TO HELP THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS? X SHOULD ABORTION BE THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN 2024? X IF IT IS SUNDAY, IT IS MEET THE PRESS. >> IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION, OUR TRUMP TEAM DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE OF COMING OUT OF THIS, WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT ANYMORE, THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS. HE IS THE WORST IN HISTORY BY FAR. >> THIS IS THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY. THE FINEST MILITARY HISTORY OF THE WORLD. NO ONE THINKS WE ARE WEAK. >> WELCOME BACK. AS WE RECAP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE HAVE A GREAT PANEL LINED UP RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO TURN TO TWO OF [ INAUDIBLE ], CO-HOST OF THE WEEKEND ON MSNBC, AND FORMER CHIEF SPOKESPERSON FOR VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATION FOR TRUMP'S 2020 CAMPAIGN. I'M GOING TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT WITH OUR VIEWERS, WE ARE LIVE IN THE SPIN ROOM AND IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HARD TO GET DEMOCRATS TO COME OUT HERE AND TALK TO US ON THE AIR. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE INTERVIEWS IN THE SPIN ROOM, BUT YOU NEED TO GET YOUR PEOPLE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT TO GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT THERE. WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT AND WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS DEBATE? >> TOM, I HAVE HAD TO GO INTO A SPIN ROOM AFTER A TOUGH DEBATE PERFORMANCE, NOTABLY IN 2019, THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. LOOK, I HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE TALKING TO DEMOCRATS, CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS, AND THEY SAY THAT IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD A SLOW START TONIGHT. HE SAID HE WAS FIGHTING A COLD, AND BUT HE WARMED UP THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT IS TRUE ON ITS FACE. I ALSO TALKED TO SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH IN THE FIRST DEBATE BREAKER, WHO SAID THEY WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE FUTURE. THIS IS NOT THE JOE BIDEN THEY WANTED TO SHOW UP TO THE DEBATE. JOE BIDEN DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT NIGHT TONIGHT. DID HE WARM-UP MORE OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE? SURE. WAS HE BETTER AT THE DEBATE WATCH PARTY ON STAGE AFTER, PUMPING UP HIS SUPPORTERS, MORE ENERGY? ABSOLUTELY. BUT THAT WAS NOT THE 90 MINUTES ON THE DEBATE STAGE, THAT 90 MINUTES MATTERED. THE QUESTION NOW IS WHAT ARE THE VOTERS GOING TO SAY? I KNOW THROUGHOUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS, WE SPOKE WITH GROUPS OUT THERE, TALKING TO PEOPLE, AND IS THIS GOING TO GREATLY CHANGE LOTS OF PEOPLE'S MINDS? NO, BUT JOE BIDEN DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. [ INAUDIBLE ] >> SIMONE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR REPORTERS THROUGHOUT NBC NEWS HAVE BEEN HEARING THAT THERE IS A REAL PANIC WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. CAN YOU SEE A SCENARIO WHERE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOT THE NOMINEE OR IS THAT JUST CRAZY TALK AND WE ARE JUST NOT THERE YET? >> I HONESTLY CAN'T SEE THAT SCENARIO, TOM. THAT IS JUST A FACT. IF JOE BIDEN WAS GOING TO STEP ASIDE, HE WOULD HAVE DONE SO A LONG TIME AGO. I HAVE NOT HEARD AN APPETITE FROM THE PRESIDENT NOR THE VICE PRESIDENT NOR THEIR AIDES. I HAVE SPOKEN TO ALL OF THE AIDS TONIGHT, I HAVEN'T HEARD AN APPETITE FROM ANY CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS OF THAT MESSAGE. GAVIN NEWSOM WAS ACTUALLY JUST ON IN THE SPIN ROOM, I KNOW YOU TALKED TO ALICE WAGNER AND A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS. [ INAUDIBLE ] AND I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR EVERYONE FROM GAVIN NEWSOM TO VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND OTHER HIGH-LEVEL DEMOCRATS SAY THAT VERY SAME THING. SO, I DON'T THINK IT IS REALITY. I DO THINK A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE WETTING THE BED RIGHT NOW AND QUESTIONING, AND I THINK BEDS MIGHT BE WET TONIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRY UP SOMETIME SOON BECAUSE JOE BIDEN IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. >> THROW THEM IN THE DRYER. WE SAW JOE BIDEN AT HIS WATCH PARTY. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS A HABIT OF SOMETIMES STEPPING ON HIS OWN NEW CYCLE AND SOMETIMES STEPPING ON HIS GOOD NEWS. IF YOU WERE ADVISING HIM TONIGHT, CLEARLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT AND MR. TRUMP CAME OUT ON TOP. WHAT IS THE ADVICE TO CAPITALIZE ON THIS, HOW DOES HE CAPITALIZE ON THIS? >> STAY WITH THE SAME MESSAGE YOU HAD TONIGHT AND TAKE IT TO VIRGINIA, WHICH IS A BLUE STATE, WHICH IS NOW SUDDENLY AND PLAY. I AGREE ALSO WITH SIMONE, I DO NOT THINK JOE BIDEN WILL BE REPLACED AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. I DON'T THINK THE POLITICS WORK FOR THEM, THAT MEANS IT WOULD BE STUCK WITH KAMALA HARRIS, WHO IS EVEN MORE UNPOPULAR THAN JOE BIDEN. I THINK THEY ARE BLEEDING BLACK VOTERS. IF YOU DID NOT GIVE THE NOMINATION TO THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT OF COLOR, THEY MIGHT NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP, THEY MIGHT JUST NOT VOTE AT ALL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE. STAY RIGHT THERE, WE HAVE A VERY BIG INTERVIEW, RFK JUNIOR, HE IS GOING TO JOIN US LIVE, STAY WITH US. >> [ MUSIC ] >>> WHAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET OUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE? >> WE HAVE.IMPORTANT NEWS THIS HOUR ABOUT YOUR MONEY. >> WHY IS IT SO TOUGH RIGHT NOW? >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >> [ MUSIC ] >>> NOTICEABLY ABSENT FROM TONIGHT'S DEBATE, OF COURSE, WAS INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE ROBERT F KENNEDY JR. . HE JOINS US LIVE NOW. THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE ON NBC NEWS NOW BUT YOU DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THIS DEBATE , AT LEAST 15% IN FOUR NATIONAL POLLS, OR GET ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES. YOU HIT THREE POLES, BUT YOU DIDN'T GET ON THE BALLOT. WITHOUT A PRESENCE ON THE DEBATE STAGE, YOUR LONG SHOT HAS JUST GOTTEN LONGER. WILL YOU QUALIFY, DO YOU THINK, FOR THE SEPTEMBER DEBATE? >> I THINK SO, WE ACTUALLY DID QUALIFY FOR THIS DEBATE, WE WERE IN FIVE POLLS, INCLUDING FOUR BY CNN. ONE OF THE COMPANY IS THAT WAS ONE OF THE APPROVED 12 COMPANIES BY CNN -- CNN THROUGH THAT POLL OUT, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD ME AT 17%. CNN DID NOT WANT ME ON THIS STAGE, THE NEED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BIDEN AND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S OR STAFF TO KEEP ME OFF THE STAGE. I WAS ONLY ONE WHO QUALIFIED EVEN SLIGHTLY FOR BEING ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES. 270 VOTES. I HAVE SIGNATURES SUFFICIENT TO GET ME ON THE BALLOT AND ENOUGH TO GET ME 340 ELECTORAL VOTES. SO, I QUALIFIED, AND BY THE WAY, NEITHER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR PRESIDENT BIDEN ARE ON THE BALLOT IN ANY STATES AND THEY ARE NOT THE NOMINEES OF THEIR PARTIES. >> MR. KENNEDY, I'M LOOKING AT SOME STATS HERE THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME, BUT IT SAYS EVEN YOUR OWN CAMPAIGN SAYS YOU ARE OFFICIALLY ON THE BALLOT AND JUST EIGHT STATES, HOW WOULD YOU GET TO 270 WITH JUST EIGHT STATES? >> WE HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES TO GET ON THE BALLOT IN OTHER STATES, BUT THOSE STATES WON'T REGISTER US UNTIL AUGUST. SO, WE HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES, WE ARE COMPLETELY QUALIFIED, WE HAVE THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF SIGNATURES THAT WE NEED. IT SAYS UNDER THEIR OWN PROCEDURES, DO NOT REGISTER YOU UNTIL AUGUST. CNN CHOSE CRITERIA THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE. WE GOT A LOT CLOSER THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP OR PRESIDENT BIDEN, THEY'RE NOT ON THE BALLOT IN ANY STATES. >> MR. KENNEDY, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT, WERE YOU ABLE TO WATCH? >> YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAD A DEBATE , 10 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED. WE HAD A VIRTUAL DEBATE WHERE I WAS ON THE STAGE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRESIDENT TRUMP AND IT WAS AIRED LIVE ON EX. IT WAS LIVESTREAMED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE DEBATE. SO, WHAT I THOUGHT OF IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS DEPRESSING. WE HAVE 341 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IT WAS A DEBATE ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FILLED WITH VITRIOL AND THE ANGER AND THE FINGER-POINTING, AND NONE OF IT -- NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT REALLY CONCERN AMERICANS. THERE IS NOW 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY, WE HAVE HAD A NUCLEAR BOMB GO OFF AND OUR MIDDLE CLASS, AND THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF THESE TWO PRESIDENTS. 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY ARE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR BASIC HUMAN NEEDS. I RUN INTO PEOPLE EVERY DAY, ELDERLY PEOPLE, WHO ARE SPLITTING THEIR PRESCRIPTION PILLS TO MAKE THEM STRETCH OUT FOR THE WEEK, MOTHERS WHO ARE DOWNGRADING THE INGREDIENTS AT THE CHECKOUT LINE AT THE GROCERY STORES. A YOUNG COUPLE I MET IN NEW HAMPSHIRE GOT IN A FIGHT, THEY WERE ARGUING IF THERE CRYING BABY HAS SYMPTOMS THAT WILL TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. AMERICANS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SUFFERING LIKE THAT. >> YEAH, MR. KENNEDY, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. AT SOME POINT, YOUR CAMPAIGN TEAM COMES BACK TO YOU AND SAYS, LISTEN, THIS IS JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ON ALL THE BALLOTS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, WHO WOULD YOU THROW YOUR SUPPORT BEHIND? >> I SAID THIS TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, THAT RIGHT NOW, I AM THE ONLY ONE TO DEFEAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IN APRIL. SO, PRESIDENT BIDEN CAN BE PRESIDENT TRUMP. I CAN BEAT HIM AND THE BIGGEST POLLS ARE SHOWING THE BEATING PRESIDENT TRUMP, I BEAT PRESIDENT BIDEN IN A LANDSLIDE. I AM NOT THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE WITHDRAWING FROM THE RACE AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE. I WILL TAKE A SPOILER PLEDGE -- [ INAUDIBLE ] WHOEVER IS LESS LIKELY TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP WILL WITHDRAW. I WILL TAKE THAT PLEDGE. >> MR. KENNEDY, WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE POLES, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY LOOK OUT FOR THEM. FROM ATLANTA. THANK YOU TO OUR TEAM AND GUESTS WORKING HARD IN ATLANTA, NEW YORK, AND WASHINGTON, D.C. I'M TOM LLAMAS. THANK YOU. >>> TONIGHT, A SHOWDOWN UNLIKE ANY OTHER IN RECENT HISTORY. >> JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP FACE TO FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FOUR YEARS. >> BOTH MEN ON THE STAGE FOR A HISTORIC DEBATE, AND A PIVOTAL REMATCH WITH THE WHITE HOUSE AT STAKE, FROM NBC NEWS . HERE IS LESTER HOLT AND SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, HOSTED BY CNN. >> THESE TWO MEN HAVE DEBATED IN THE PAST, BUT THIS TIME WILL LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT. >> THE DEBATE IS HELD AT A TV STUDIO AFTER CANDIDATES BYPASSED THE COMMISSION TO HOST THE DEBATE SINCE THE 1980s. >> THERE'S NO AUDIENCE TONIGHT, AND THE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED AFTER A CANDIDATE'S SPEAKING TIME IS UP. >> IT'S AXIS ACTED EXPECTED TO RUN 90 MINUTES. >> WE WILL BRING YOU FULL ANALYSIS ONCE THE DEBATE COMPLETES. LET'S LISTEN. >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH OVER FOUR MONTHS UNTIL ELECTION DAY. GOOD EVENING, I AM DANA BASH, ANCHOR OF CNN AND I AM JOINED BY JAKE TAPPER. >> OUR JOBS ARE TO FACILITATE A DEBATE BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES BEFORE WE INTRODUCE TONIGHT. BEFORE WE INTRODUCE THEM WE WANT TO SHARE THE RULES OF THE DEBATE WITH THE AUDIENCE AT HOME. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL APPEAR ON THE RIGHT. EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER A QUESTION AND ONE MINUTE EACH FOR RESPONSES AND REBUTTALS. AN ADDITIONA CLARIFICATION OR RESPONSE IS AT THE MODERATORS' L DISCRETION.MINUTE FOR CLARIFICATION OR RESPONSE IS AT THE MODERATORS' DISCRETION. >> WHEN IT'S TIME FOR CANDIDATES TO SPEAK MICROPHONES WILL BE TURNED ON, AND THE OPPONENT'S MICROPHONE WILL BE TURNED OFF. SHOULD A CANDIDATE INTERRUPT WHEN MUTED IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO BE UNDERSTOOD FOR VIEWERS AT HOME. EACH CANDIDATE WILL GET TWO MINUTES FOR A CLOSING STATEMENT. THERE IS NO STUDIO AUDIENCE TONIGHT. CONTACTS WITH CAMPAIGN STAFF OR NOTES ARE NOT PERMITTED DURING THE DEBATE. BY ACCEPTING OUR INVITATION TO DEBATE BOTH CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS AGREED TO ACCEPT THESE TERMS. >> PLEASE WELCOME THE 46th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, JOE BIDEN. >> HELLO. >> PLEASE WELCOME THE 45th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP. >> GENTLEMEN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. LET'S START WITH AN ISSUES VOTERS CONSISTENTLY SAY IS THEIR TOP CONCERN, THE ECONOMY. PRESIDENT BIDEN, INFLATION HAS SLOWED, BUT PRICES REMAIN HIGH. SINCE YOU TOOK OFFIC E OF GROCERIES THAT COSTHE P OF ESSENTIALS HAS INCREASED, FOR EXAMPLE A BASKET OF GROCERIES COST $100 THEN, COSTING OVER $120 NOW. TYPICAL HOME PRICES HAVE JUMPED MORE THAN 30%. WHAT YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO FEEL THEY ARE WORSE OFF UNDER YOUR PRESIDENCY THAN UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT WE HAD AN ECONOMY IN FREEFALL, THE PANDEMIC WAS AWFUL, PEOPLE WERE DYING. UNEMPLOYMENT RATES ROSE TO 15%. IT WAS TERRIBLE. SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS TRY TO PUT THINGS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BEGIN TO DO. WE BROUGHT 8000 MANUFACTURING JOBS, AND THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE. I COME FROM SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA WEREN'T A WHERE GET WE MET AT DURIN THE KITCHEN TABLE. THAT'S WHY AM WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SURE I DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE REDUCE THE PRICE OF HOUSING. WE WILL MAKE SURE WE CAP RENT. IN ADDITION TO THAT IN THE SITUATION WHERE ADMINISTRATION HE DID NOT DO MUCH AT ALL. WE CREATED JOBS AND MADE A SITUATION WHERE WE NOW HAVE KNOCKED DOWN THE PRICE OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, WHICH IS AN ISSUE FOR MANY PEOPLE. AN INSULIN SHOT AT $35 AS OPPOSED TO $400. TO ALL AMERICANS, SO WE ARE WORKING TO BRING DOWN PRICES FROM THE KITCHEN TABLE. >> THANK YOU. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WE HAVE THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN OUR COUNTRY. OTHER COUNTRIES ARE COPYING US. WE GOT HIT WITH COVID, AND WHEN WE DID WE SPEND THE MONEY NECESSARY SO WE WOULDN'T END UP IN A GREAT DEPRESSION LIKE 192 . WHEN WE FINISHED WE HAD A LOT OF CREDIT TO THE MILITARY, EVERYTHING WAS LOOKING GOOD. BUT WHAT WE NEVER GOT THE CREDIT FOR, AND WE SHOULD HAVE, IS THAT MESS HE CREATED MANDATES THAT WAS A DISASTER FOR OUR COUNTRY. WE HAD A COUNTRY WHERE THE STOCK MARKET WAS HIGHER THAN BEFORE COVID, AND NO ONE THOUGHT THAT WAS POSSIBLE. THE ONLY JOBS HE CREATED FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND BOUNCE BACK FROM COVID. HE HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB, HE HAS DONE A POOR JOB, AND INFLATION IS KILLING US. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE REATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE HIS ECONOMY, HE AWARDED THE WEALTHY, GIVING A LARGE TAX CUT. HE'S THE ONLY PRESIDENT WHO HAS LOST MORE JOBS THAN WHEN HE BEGAN. HE DID SOMETHING THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT. WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENNT, THEY WERE STILL KILLING PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN. HE DIDN'TT O ANYTHING AND ABTHEYTHAT. WERE STILL KILLING PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THE NOTION THAT WE WERE THIS SAFE COUNTRY, TRUTH IS, ON THE ONLY PRESIDENT IN THIS CENTURY, THIS DECADE, NO TRIPS DYING IN THE WORLD LIKE HE DID. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP, IF I CAN, I WANT TO ASK YOU A FOLLOW-UP. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. YOU WANT TO IMPOSE A 10% TARIFF ON GOODS COMING INTO THE U.S., HOW WILL YOU ENSURE THAT DOES NOT DRIVE PRICES HIGHER? >> IS JUST GOING TO CAUSE COUNTRIES RIPPING US OFF LIKE CHINA TO FORCE THEM TO PAY US MONEY AND GIVE US A LOT OF POWER FOR OTHER THINGS. BU YOU THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY.T, HE MADE A STATEMENT, THE GAVE Y ONLY THING HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT IS I GAVE YOU THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY, I ALSO GAVE YOU THE LARGEST REGULATION CUT IN HISTORY, THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE JOBS, AND THE JOBS BOUNCED BACK, AND HE'S TAKING CREDIT FOR BOUNCE BACK JOBS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HE SAID HE INHERITED 9% INFLATION, NO, HE INHERITED ALMOST NO INFLATION, AND IT BLEW UP NDER HIS LEADERSHIP, BECAUSE THEY SPENT MONEY LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. IT WAS PROBABLY THE WORST ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY. AND AS FAR AS AFGHANISTAN IS CONCERNED, I WAS GETTING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN WITH DIGNITY, WITH STRENGTH, WITH POWER. HE GOT OUT, IT WAS THE MOST EMBARRASSING DAY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, UNDER BOTH YOUR ADMINISTRATIONS, THE NATIONAL DEBT SOARED TO RECORD HIGHS, AND ACCORDING TO A NONPARTISAN ANALYSIS, PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU APPROVED $8.4 TRILLION IN NEW DEBT WHILE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS APPROVED $4.3 MILLION IN NEW DEBT. MANY OF THE TAX CUTS YOU PUT INTO ARE SET TO EXPIRE NEXT YEAR. YOU WANT TO EXTEND AND GO FURTHER YOU SAY? WITH THE U.S. FACING TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS AND RECORD DEBT, WHY SHOULD TOP EARNERS AND CORPORATIONS PAY LESS IN TAXES THAN THEY DO NOW? >> THE TAX CUTS SPUR THE GREATEST ECONOMY AND AFTER COVID IT WAS SO STRONG WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH COVID MUCH BETTER THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER COUNTRY. BUT WHEN WE CUT THE TAXES CORPORATE TAX CUT FROM 39% PLUS BEYOND THAT, WE TOOK IN MORE REVENUE WITH MUCH LESS TAX AND COMPANIES ARE BRINGING BACK MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BACK TO THE COUNTRY. THE COUNTRY WAS GOING LIKE NEVER BEFORE, AND WE ARE READY TO START PAYING DOWN DEBT. WE ARE STARTING TO USE THE LIQUID GOLD RIGHT UNDER OUR FEET, OIL AND GAS, WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING NOBODY HAS HAD. WE GOT HIT WITH COVID. WE DID A LOT TO FIX IT. I GAVE HIM AN UNBELIEVABLE SITUATION WITH ALL OF THE THERAPEUTICS AND THINGS WE CAME UP WITH WE GAVE HIM SOMETHING GREAT. MORE PEOPLE DIED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION EVEN THOUGH WE HAS ADMINISTRATION THAN OUR ADMINISTRATION,D AND WE LARGELY RE RIFIXED.N T MORE PEOPLE DIED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION THAN OUR ADMINISTRATION, AND WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, SOMETHING WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT HE HAD FORMER PEOPLE DYING IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. HE DID THE MANDATE, WHICH IS A DISASTER, MANDATING US, WHEN THE VACCINE WENT OUT, THAT'S THE THING MOST PEOPLE OBJECTED TO, AND HE DID A VERY POOR JOB, JUST A VERY POOR JOB. NOT ONLY POOR THERE, BUT TO THE ENTIRE WORLD WE ARE NO LONGER RESPECTED AS A COUNTRY. THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR LEADERSHIP, THEY DON'T RESPECT THE UNITED STATES. WE ARE LIKE A THIRD WORLD NATION BETWEEN WEAPONIZATION OF HIS ELECTION GOING AFTER POLITICAL OPPONENT, AFTER THE THINGS HE'S DONE WE ARE LIKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, AND IT'S A SHAME. AND MENTAL INSTITUTIONS TO COME I WOULD LOVE TO ASK HIM, AND WILL, WHY HE ALLOWED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE FROM PRISONS, JAILS, AND MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY AND DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT WE WILL GET LATER ON TO IMMIGRATION. YOUR RESPONSE? >> HE HAD THE LARGEST NATIONAL DEBT OF ANY PRESIDENT IN A FOUR- YEAR PERIOD, NUMBER ONE. THE TAX CUT BENEFITED THE VERY WEALTHY. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AND WH HAPPENING? THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY PAY 8.2% IN TAXES. IF THEY PAID 24%, 25%, EITHER ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, $500 MILLION, BILLION DOLLARS I SHOULD SAY, IN A 10-YEAR PERIO . WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS WE NEED, CHILD CARE, ELDER CARE, MAKING SURE WE STRENGTHEN OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON ELIGIBLE WITH THE COVID, EXCUSE ME, WITH DEALING WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DO WITH-- LOOK- DO WITH -- LOOK, W- WENALLY BE FINALLYCARE BEAT MEDICARE. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN . PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> HE'S RIGHT, HE BEAT MEDICARE, TO DEATH. THEY ARE PUTTING THEM ON MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COMING IN, THEY'RE SOCIAL G TOSECURITY. M THIS MAN IS GOING TO SINGLE- HANDEDLY DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY. WITH MILLIONS COMING IN, THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT THEM ON SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WILL WIPE OUT SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WILL WIPE OUT MEDICARE. SO HE WAS RIGHT IN THE WAY HE FINISH THAT SENTENCE, AND IT'S A SHAME WHAT'S HAPPENED TO OUR COUNTRY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS NOT TO BE BELIEVED. FOREIGN COUNTRIES, I'M FRIENDS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THEY NO LONGER RESPECTED. THEY DON'T LIKE US. WE'VE GIVEN THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT, AND THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID. THEY THINK WE ARE VERY STUPID PEOPLE. BUT, WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR OTHER COUNTRY'S, AND THEY DO NOTHING FOR US, BUT WHAT THIS MAN HAS DONE IS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. DANA? >> SINCE THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE, THEY RULED ON ANOTHER CASE ALLOWING EMERGENCY ABORTIONS TO CONTINUE IN IDAHO DESPITE THE STATE BAN. DO YOU TAKE CREDIT FOR THE DECISION TO OVERTURN ROE V. WADE WHICH RETURNED ABORTION TO THE STATES, HOWEVER, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STILL PLAYS A ROLE IN WHETHER OR NOT WOMEN HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION PILLS. THEY ARE USED IN ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF ALL ABORTIONS. AS PRESIDENT, WOULD YO APPROVED THE ABORTION U PILL. >> I AGREE WITH THEIR DECISION TO HAVE DONE THAT. I WILL NOT BLOCK IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING, COMPLEX BUT NOT REALLY COMPLEX, 51 YEARS AGO, YOU HAD ROE V. WADE, AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO GET BACK TO THE STATES WITHOUT EXCEPTION, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, RELIGIOUS LEADERS. AND WHAT I DID IS, I PUT THREE GREAENED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF KT LING ROE SUPREME THE SUPREME COURT, AND THEY VOTE IN FAVOR OF KILLING ROE V. WADE AND MOVING IT BACK TO THE STATES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTED. 10 YEARS AGO OR SO THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY WEEKS AND GETTING IT TO OTHER THINGS, BUT EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, MOST RESPECTED, WANTED TO THROW IT BACK TO THE STATES. I DID THAT. NOW THE STATES ARE WORKING IT OUT. LOOK AT OHIO, THERE WAS A TEXAS IS DIFFERENT. RIDA IS A FFERENT.LITTLE MORE LIBERAL THAN YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. KANSAS I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. TEXAS IS DIFFERENT, FLORIDA IS DIFFERENT, BUT THEY ARE MAKING THEIR OWN DECISIONS RIGHT NOW, AND RIGHT NOW, THE STATES CONTROL IT. THAT'S THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. LIKE RONALD REAGAN, I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS, I AM A PERSON THAT BELIEVES, AND FRANKLY I BELIEVE IT'S HIM IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTION. I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER, RAPE, AND INCEST. SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT YOU FOLLOW YOUR HEART. THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS THEY WERE RADICAL, BECAUSE THEY WILL TAKE THE LIFE OF A CHILD IN THE EIGHTH OR NINTH MONTH, EVEN AFTER BIRTH, AFTER BIRTH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA, HE WAS WILLING TO DO THIS, HE SAID PUT THE BABY ASIDE, I WILL DETERMINE WHAT WE DO WITH THE BABY, MEANING WE WILL KILL THE BABY. WHAT HAPPENS, WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE STATES, AND NOW THE COUNTRY IS COMING TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT THING. >> 15. ON 12? >> IT'S A TERRIBLE THING WHAT YOU'VE DONE. THE VAST MAJORITY SUPPORTED ROE V. WADE. THE IDEA THEY ARE ALL AGAINST IT IS RIDICULOUS. THIS IS A GUY WHO SAYS THE STATES IN SIX WEEKS YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE PREGNANT OR NOT, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE A DOCTOR AND HAVE THEM DECIDE WHEN YOU NEED HELP. THE IDEA THAT STATES ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WILL TURN CIVIL RIGHTS BACK TO THE STATES DIFFERENT ROLE. LOOK, THERE ARE SO MANY YOUNG WOMEN INCLUDING THE YOUNG WOMAN JUST MURDERED, THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS MURDERED BY AN IMMIGRANT, THEY TALK ABOUT THAT. HERE'S THE DEAL. A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN ARE GOING TO BE RAPED BY THEIR IN-LAWS, THEIR SPOUSES, BROTHERS AND SISTERS, IT'S RIDICULOUS. >> THANK YOU . >> THERE HAVE BEEN MANY YOUNG WOMEN MURDERED BY THE SAME PEOPLE HE ALLOWS TO COME ACROSS OUR BORDER. WE HAVE ABORTED THAT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE A BORDER THAT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE. THEY ARE COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND RAPING AND KILLING WOMEN, AND IT'S A TERRIBLE THING. AS FAR AS ABORTION IT'S BACK WITH THE STATES. FRANKLY A VERY LIVABLE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED, INCLUDING THE FOUNDERS, IF THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS ISSUE, WHICH FRANKLY THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY WOULD EVERYBODY WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK. RONALD REAGAN WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK. AND MANY PRESIDENTS HAD TRIED TO GET IT BACK. I WAS THE ONE TO DO IT. AND THIS WAS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED IT, EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR WANTED IT THAT WAY. >> STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF ABORTION, PRESIDENT BIDEN , SAME TOPIC, SEVEN STATES HAVE NO LEGAL RESTRICTIONS ON HOW FAR INTO A PREGNANCY A WOMAN CAN OBTAIN AN ABORTION. DO YOU SUPPORT ANY LEGAL LIMITS ON HOW LATE A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY? >> I SUPPORT ROE V. WADE , THREE TRIMESTERS, FIRST TIME BETWEEN A WOMAN AND A DOCTOR, SECOND TIME BETWEEN A DOCTOR AND AN EXTREME SITUATION, A THIRD TIME BETWEEN THE DOCTOR CLIMBING BETWEEN THE WOMAN AND THE STATE. THE IDEA THAT THE POLITICIANS, THAT THE FOUNDERS WANT THE POLITICIANS TO BE THE ONES MAKING DECISIONS ON A WOMAN'S HEALTH IS RIDICULOUS. A DOCTOR SHOULD BE MAKING THE DECISIONS. IF ELECTED I WILL RESTORE ROE V. WADE. >> HE CAN TAKE THE LIFE OF THE BABY IN THE NINTH MONTH AND EVEN AFTER BIRTH, BECAUSE SOME STATES DEMOCRAT-RUN, TAKE ITOR PUT THE BABY DOWN U AFTER BIRTH. FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA PUT THE BABY DOWN, WE'LL DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT. SO HE'S WILLING TO AS WE SAY, RIPPED THE BABY OUT OF THE WOMB IN THE NINTH MONTH AND KILL IT. >> THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE. ROE V. WADE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT. WHEN A WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER THAT'S THE ONLY TIME. >> WITH ROE V. WADE YOU HAVE LATE-TERM ABORTION, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT DEPENDING ON THE STATE. WE DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING, WE THINK IT'S A RADICAL THING, WE THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS, NOT THE REPUBLICANS. >> 51 YEARS, THAT WAS LAW. SCHOLARS SAID THAT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 50 YEARS, AND IT WAS TAKEN AWAY, BECAUSE THIS GUY PUTS CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS ON THE SUPREME COURT AND TAKES CREDIT FOR TAKING IT AWAY. WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO IF THE MAGA REPUBLICANS, HE GETS ELECTED AND MAGA REPUBLICANS CONTROL CONGRESS AND PASS A UNIVERSAL BAN ON ABORTION, PERIOD, ACROSS THE BOARD AT SIX WEEKS OR SOMETHING VERY CONSERVATIVE? IS HE GOING TO SIGN THE BILL? I'LL VETO IT. HE'LL SIGN IT. >> THANK YOU MADE >> IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY. PRESIDENT BIDEN, A RECORD NUMBER OF MIGRANTS HAVE A LEGALLY CROSSED THE SOUTHERN BORDER ON YOUR WATCH, CAUSING REAL SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS. GIVEN THAT, WHY SHOULD VOTERS TRUST YOU TO SOLVE THIS CRISIS? >> BECAUSE, WE WORKED VERY HARD TO GET A BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT THAT NOT ONLY CHANGED ALL THAT, IT MADE SURE THAT WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD NO CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY COULD COME ACROSS THE BORDER. WE SEEK TO INCREASE BY THE WAY BORDER PATROL ENDORSED ME, ENDORSED MY POSITION. IN ADDITION WHERE HE WAS PRESIDENT HE WAS SEPARATING BABIES FROM THEIR MOTHERS, PUTTING THEM IN CAGES, MAKING SURE THE FAMILIES WERE SEPARATED. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. WHAT I'VE DONE SINCE I'VE CHANGED THE LOCK WHAT HAPPENED? NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE COMING ACROSS THE BORDER LEGALLY IT'S BETTER WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE. DETERMINE INITIATIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE WILL DO WITH MORE BORDER PATROL AND MORE OFFICERS. >> 1013? >> I DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE SAID AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE. WE HAVE THE SAFEST BORDER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, ALL WE HAD TO DO IS LEAVE IT. HE DECIDED TO OPEN UP OUR COUNTRY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM PRISONS, PEOPLE FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, INSANE ASYLUM, TERRORISTS. WE HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF TERRORISTS COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, TERRORISTS ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST SOUTH AMERICA, THEY COME FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, EVERYWHERE. ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEY ARE POURING IN. AND THIS GUY JUST LEFT IT OPEN. AND HE DID NOT HAVE LEGISLATION, I SAID CLOSE THE BORDER. IN THAT FINAL COUPLE MONTHS WE HAD ACCORDING TO BORDER PATROL, WAS GREAT, WHO ENDORSED ME FOR PRESIDENT, BUT I WON'T SAY THAT, BUT THEY ENDORSED ME FOR PRESIDENT. BUT, LOOK, WE HAD THE SAFEST BORDER IN HISTORY. NOW WE HAVE THE WORST BORDER IN HISTORY. THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT, AND PEOPLE ARE DYING ALL OVER THE PLACE INCLUDING. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE ONLY TERRORISTS WHO HAVE CROSSED THE BORDER AL QAEDA AND HIS ADMINISTRATION KILLED THREE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, KILLED THREE AMERICAN SOLDIERS. THAT'S THE ONLY TERRORIST. I'M NOT SAYING NO TERRORIST EVER GOT THROUGH, BUT THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE EMPTYING PRISONS AND WE ARE WELCOMING THESE PEOPLE, THERE'S NO DATA TO SUPPORT WHAT HE SAYS. HE'S LYING. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF IMMIGRATION YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO CARRY OUT THE LARGEST AND DEPORTATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY. WILL YOU DEPORT EVERY UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANT IN AMERICA, INCLUDING THOSE WITH JOBS, INCLUDING THOSE WHOSE SPOUSES ARE CITIZENS, AND INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR DECADES MARK HOW WILL YOU DO IT? AND SOLEIMANI, THE TWO BIGGEST TERRORISTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AND IT HAD A HUG HUGE IMPACT ON IMPACT ON EVERYTHING, NOT JUST BORDER, ON EVERYTHING. HE IS THE ONE WHO KILLED PEOPLE WITH A BAD BORDER, INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DYING. AND ALSO KILLING OUR CITIZENS WHEN THEY COME IN. WE ARE LIVING RIGHT NOW IN A RATS NEST. THEY ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, IN CALIFORNIA, AND EVERY STATE IN THE UNION SINCE WE DON'T HAVE BORDERS ANYMORE. EVERY STATE IS NOW A BORDER, AND BECAUSE OF HIS RIDICULOUS, INSANE, AND STUPID POLICIES, THEY ARE COMING IN AND KILLING OUR CITIZENS AT A LEVEL WE CALL IT CITIZENS AT A LEVEL THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. AND YOU'RE READING IT MIGRAI T BIDEN MIGRANT CRIME THEY ARE KILLING OUR CITIZENS AT A LEVER WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE, AND YOU'RE READING IT LIKE THESE THREE INCREDIBLE GIRLS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS JUST AT THE FUNERAL FOR THE CHOOL, 12 YEARS OLD, THIS IS HORRIBLE WHAT'S TAKEN PLACE. WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN OUR COUNTRY, WE ARE LITERALLY AN UNCIVILIZED COUNTRY NOW. HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE OPENED THE BORDERS, NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT, AND WE HAVE TO GET THESE PEOPLE OUT. THEY ARE LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS IN NEW YORK CIT THEY'R HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT Y HEOUR VETERAN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OUR VETERANS, HE DOESN'T LIKE THE MILITARY AT ALL, AND HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OUR VETERANS. I HAD THE HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING FOR VETERANS TAKING CARE OF THE VA. HE IS THE WORST. HE'S GOTTEN RID OF ALL I GOT THROUGH AND APPROVED. WE HAVE BY FAR THE HIGHEST, NOW LESS THAN HALF BECAUSE HE'S DONE I THINK HE DID IT JUST BECAUSE I APPROVED IT, WHICH IS CRAZY. BUT HE HAS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE AT OUR BORDER-- >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? YOU HAVE THE MIC. >> EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID IS A LIE. FOR EXAMPLE I PASSED THE PACKED ACT. 1 MILLION OF THEM NOW HAVE INSURANCE AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE IT. THEY ARE ALL BEING COVERED NOW, AND HE OPPOSES THAT. WE HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR VETERANS. BURN PITS STATES I WAS RECENTLY IN FRANCE FOR D DAY, AND I SPOKE ABOUT THOSE HEROES THAT DIED. I WENT TO THE WORLD WAR II CEMETERY WORLD WAR I CEMETERY FOUR START GENERALS THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO IN THERE. MY SON IS NOT A SOCCER BUT MY SON IS NOT A LOSER, YOU ARE. >> HE MADE THAT UP, HE PUT IT IN COMMERCIALS, WE NOTIFIED THEM, WE HAD 19 PEOPLE THAT SAID I DIDN'T SAY IT. WHO WOULD SAY I'M AT A CEMETERY OR AM TALKING ABOUT OUR VETERANS NOBODY HAS, I'M SO GLAD THIS CAME UP, AND HE BROUGHT IT UP. THERE IS NOBODY TAKEN BETTER CARE OF OUR SOLDIERS THAN I HAVE. TO THINK I WOULD AND GENERALS 19 PEOPLE IT WAS NEVER SET BY ME, IT WAS MADE UP BY HIM, LIKE RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, LIKE THE INTELLIGENCE AGENTS ARE MADE UP, LIKE WITH THE 16 ECONOMISTS SAME THING. INTELLIGENCE AGENTS SAID THE LAPTOP WAS RUSSIA DISINFORMATION, IT WASN'T, THAT CAME FROM HIS SON, HUNTER. HE MADE UP THE SUCKERS AND LOSERS, SO HE SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ME RIGHT NOW. >> THE FOUR STAR GENERAL SAID YOU SAID IT, PERIOD. NUMBER ONE. TWO, THE IDEA I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR YOU FOR ANYTHING, WE'VE DONE MORE FOR VETERANS THAN ANY PRESIDENT HAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND NOT ONLY THEIR FAMILIES, BUT THE SACRED OBLIGATION WE HAVE AS A COUNTRY TO CARE FOR OUR VETERANS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING, THAT IS WHAT THE VA IS DOING NOW, THEY ARE DOING MORE FOR VETERANS THAN EVER BEFORE IN OUR HISTORY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> FOREIGN-POLICY. I WANT TO BEGIN WITH RUSSIA'S WAR AGAINST UKRAINE, WHICH IS NOW IN ITS THIRD YEAR. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS HE WILL ONLY END THIS WA R TERRITORY IT HAS IF RUSSIA KEEPS THE UKRAINIAN TERRITORY IT HAS ALREADY CLAIMED, AND UKRAINE ABANDONS ITS BID TO JOIN NATO. ARE THOSE TERMS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> FIRST OF ALL, VETERANS AND SOLDIERS CAN'T STAND THIS GUY. THEY CAN'T STAND HIM. EY THINK HE IS THE WORST COMMANDER IN CHIEF IT THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL HIM, THAT WE'VE EVER HAD, THEY CAN'T STAND IT. SO LET'S GET THAT STRAIGHT. AND THEY LIKE ME MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OF THEM, AND THAT'S BASED ON EVERY SINGLE BIT AS FAR AS RUSSIA AND UKRAINE IF WE HAD A REAL PRESIDENT THAT WAS RESPECTED BY PUTIN HE WOULD HAVE NEVER INVADED UKRAINE. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DEAD RIGHT NOW. YOU COULD MAYBE TRIPLE THOSE NUMBERS. HE DID NOTHING TO STOP IT. I THINK HE ENCOURAGED IT. HE DID SO BAD WITH AFGHANISTAN, IT WAS SUCH A HORRIBLE EMBARRASSMENT, MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY THAT WHEN PUTIN WATCHED THAT THAT HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED THOSE GENERALS LIKE I FIRED THE NE YOU MENTIONED, SO HE HAS HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED THOSE GENERALS. NO GENERAL GOT FIRED FOR THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY OF AFGHANISTAN. WE LOST 13 BEAUTIFUL SOLDIERS, AND 38 SOLDIERS WERE OBLITERATED , AND WE LEFS BEHIND. WHEN PUTIN SAID THAT, CITIZENS ID, YOU KNOW AMERICAN BEHIND, TOO. WHEN PUTIN SAW THAT HE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GO IN AND TAKE, THIS WAS HIS DREAM. THE DIFFERENCE WAS HE NEVER WOULD HAVE INVADED UKRAINE, NEVER, JUST LIKE ISRAEL NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN INVADED-- IN 1 MILLION YEARS BY HAMAS. YOU KNOW WHY? I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY D THEY HAD NO MONEO FOR BUSINESS WITH THEM. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS OR ANYTHING, THAT'S WHY YOU HAD NO TERRACE AT ALL DURING MY ADMINISTRATION. THE WHOLE WORLD IS BLOWING UP UNDER HIM. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> I'VE NEVER HEARD SO MUCH MALARKEY IN MY LIFE . LET'S TAKE THE LAST POINT FIRST. IRAN ATTACKED AMERICAN TROOPS AND HE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. HE SAID THEY ARE JUST HAVING HEADACHES. YOU DIDN'T DO A THING WHEN THAT ATTACK TOOK PLACE, NUMBER ONE THREE WE HAVE OVER 100,000 AMERICANS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. NUMBER THREE SITUATION WHERE IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT TRUMP DID IN UKRAINE, THIS GUY TOLD UKRAINE DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP DID, IF PUTIN ENCOURAGES IT DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. ESTABLISHED KEY AND HE IN FACT DIDN'T DO IT AT ALL. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GET IT DONE, AND THEY'VE LOST THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TROOPS. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP , I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHICH IS, ARE PUTIN'S TERMS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, KEEPING THE TARIFFS? >> NO, THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE, BUT LOOK. THIS IS A WAR THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED. IF WE HAD A LEADER IN THIS WAR, HE LED EVERYBODY ALONG, HE'S GIVEN $200 BILLION NOW ARE MORE TO UKRAINE. HE HAS GIVEN $200 BILLION, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. EVERY TIME ZELENSKYY COMES OVER TO THIS COUNTRY HE WALKS AWAY WITH 60 MILLION DOLLARS. THE MONEY WE ARE SPENDING ON THIS WAR, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING, IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. I WOULD HAVE LET THE WAR SETTLE BETWEEN PUTIN AND ZELENSKYY AS PRESIDENT-ELECT BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE ON JANUARY 20th I WILL HAVE THAT WERE SETTLED. PEOPLE BEING KILLED SO NEEDLESSLY, SO STUPIDLY, AND I WILL GET IT SETTLED, AND I WILL GET IT SETTLED BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. >> THE FACT IS PUTIN IS A WAR CRIMINAL. HE HAS KILLED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND, HE HAS MADE ONE POINT CLEAR HE WANTS TO REESTABLISH WHAT WAS PART OF THE SOVIET EMPIRE, NOT JUST A PIECE OF UKRAINE, ALL IS WHAT HE WANTS. YOU THINK YOU WILL STOP THERE? WILL HE STOP IF HE TAKES UKRAINE? WHAT HAPPENS TO POLAND? WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE NATO COUNTRIES? IF YOU WANT THE WAR YOU WILL FIND OUT WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO. IF HE DOES WHAT HE SAYS AND WALKS AWAY, BY THE WAY, ALL THAT MONEY WE GIVE UKRAINE FOR WEAPONS WE MAKE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'S THE WEAPONS, NOT THE MONEY AT THIS POINT, AND OUR NATO ALLIES HAVE PRODUCED AS MUCH FUNDING FOR UKRAINE AS WE HAVE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE STRONG. >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE MIDDLE EAST, IN OCTOBER, HAMAS ATTACKED ISRAEL, KILLING MORE THAN 1000 PEOPLE AND TAKING HUNDREDS OF HOSTAGES. AMONG THOSE HELD AND THOUGHT TO STILL BE ALIVE OR FIVE AMERICANS. ISRAEL'S RESPONSE HAS KILLED THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS AND CREATED A MINIATURE IN CRISIS IN GAZA. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO RESOLVE THIS CONFLICT , BUT SO FAR, HAMAS HAS NOT CEASED AND CONTINUES IT THE WAR? YOU HAVES WO MINUTES.OFFENSI. WHAT LEVERAGE WILL YOU USED TO GET HAMAS AND ISRAEL TO END THE WAR? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> NUMBER-ONE, FROM THE UNITED NATIONS TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL, TO THE G-7 FORWARD THREE STAGES TO IT. THE FIRST STAGE IS WE TREAT THE HOSTAGES. CEASE-FIRE. THIRD PHASE IS NOW TO THE END OF THE WAR. WE START PUSHING HARD FOR THEM TO ACCEPT. ISRAEL THE ONLY THING 2000 PALM POUND BOMBS. AND BY THE WAY I AM THE GUY THAT ORGANIZED AGAINST IRAN WHEN THEY HAD A FULL-BLOWN INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILE ATTACK ON ISRAEL. NO ONE WAS HURT, AND IT STOPPED. WE SAVED ISRAEL. WE ARE THE LARGEST SUPPORT OF ISRAEL THAN ANYONE IN THE WORLD. HAMAS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE. AND BY THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN GREATLY WEAKENED, AND THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. IT'S GOT TO BE CAREFUL USING CERTAIN WEAPONS AMONG POPULATION CENTERS. >> WE HAVE AN OCEAN SEPARATING US. THEY HAVE SPENT $100 BILLION OR SO LESS THAN US. I GOT THEM TO PUT UP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THE SECRETARY-GENERAL OF NATO SAID TRUMP DID THE MOST INCREDIBLE JOB I'VE EVER SEEN. THEY WERE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. WE WERE SPENDING ALMOST 100 PERCENT OF THE MONEY PAID BY US. HE DIDN'T DO THAT. YOU HAD TO ASK THESE PEOPLE TO PUT UP THE MONEY. OVER $100 BILLION MORE SPENT. IT'S A BIGGER IMPACT ON THEM WITH LOCATION, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OCEAN IN BETWEEN. AS FAR AS ISRAEL AND HAMAS, HE SAID THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTS TO KEEPD YOU SHOULD LET THEM GO AND LET THEM FINISH THE JOB. GOING IS DOESN'THAMAS.T TO ACTUALLY ISRAEL IS THE ONE. YOU SHOULD LET THEM FINISH THE JOB. HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, HE'S BECOME LIKE A PALESTINIAN, BUT THEY DON'T LIKE HIM, BECAUSE HE IS A VERY BAD, WEAK PALESTINIAN. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE A MINUTE. >> I'VE NEVER HEARD SO MUCH FOOLISHNESS. THIS GUY WANTS TO GET OUT OF NATO. THE IDEA THAT THE STRENGTH IN OUR ALLIANCES AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE PUTIN CONTINUE INTO NATO, WE HAVE AN ARTICLE 5 AGREEMENT, AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON ALL. BUT LET PUTIN GO IN AND CONTROL UKRAINE AND THEN MOVE ON TO POLAND AND OTHER PLACES. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT. I GOT COUNTRIES TO SUPPORT THE WAR, LIKE JAPAN, BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE WHOLE WORLD. NO MAJOR WAR IN EUROPE WILL EVER BE CONTAINED JUST TO EUROPE. >> RESIDENT TRUMP, TO FOLLOW UP, WOULD YOU SUPPORT AN INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN STATE? >> I WOULD HAVE TO SEE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE MONEY. THEY KILL US ON TRADE DEALS WITH EUROPEAN NATIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU ADD THEM UP THEY ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE ECONOMICALLY, THEIR ECONOMIES ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE THEIR CARS, THEIR FOOD, THEIR AGRICULTURE. I CHANGED THAT. BUT, THE BIG THING I CHANGED IS THEY DON'T THE ONLY REASON HU NATO, BECAUSE I GOT THEM TO PUT UP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS. I SAID I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT NATO IF YOU DON'T PAY. THEY ASKED THAT QUESTION WOULD YOU GUARD US AGAINST RUSSIA AT A SECRET MEETING OF THE 28 STATES AT THAT TIME, NATIONS AT THAT TIME, AND THEY SAID NO IF YOU DON'T PAY I WILL DO THAT, AND THEN BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAME FLOWING IN THE NEXT DAY AND THE NEXT MONTH. BUT,BODY'S BILLS. >> THANK YOU. >> LET'S TURN TO THE ISSUE OF DEMOCRACY. FORMER PRESIDENT NOW WE ARE IN TRUMP, THEANT TO SAME POSITION. >> THANK YOU. >> LET'S TURN TO THE ISSUE OF DEMOCRACY. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6th, 2021, AFTER YOU RALLIED YOUR SUPPORTERS THAT THEY, SOME OF THEM STORMED THE CAPITOL TO STOP THE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED COUNTING OF ELECTORAL VOTES. IS PRESENT, YOU SWORE AN OATH TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND, THE CONSTITUTION. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO BELIEVE YOU VIOLATED THAT OATH THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS ND INACTION ON GENERALLY SIXTH AND ARE WORRIED HE WILL DO IT AGAIN? >> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6th. ON JANUARY 6th, WE HAD A GREAT BORDER. NOBODY COMING THROUGH, VERY FEW. ON JANUARY 6th WE WERE ENERGY INDEPENDENT. WE HAD THE LOWEST TAXES EVER, WE HAD THE LOWEST REGULATIONS EVER. ON JANUARY 6th WE WERE RESPECTED ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALL OVER THE WORLD WE WERE RESPECTED, THEN HE COMES IN AND WE ARE NOW LAUGHED AT LIKE A BUNCH OF STUPID PEOPLE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES' REPRESENTATION AND REPUTATION IS HORRIBLE INCLUDING WEAPONIZATION, WHICH I AM SURE YOU WILL BE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE HE GOES AFTER HIS CLINICAL OPPONENT, BECAUSE HE CAN'T BEAT THEM FAIR AND SQUARE. >> 80 SECONDS LEFT. MY QUESTION WAS WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO BELIEVE YOU VIA TO VIOLATED YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OATH ON JANUARY 6th AND ARE WORRIED YOU WOULD DO IT AGAIN? >> I SAID PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY A NANCY PELOSI IF YOU JUST WATCHED THE NEWS FROM TWO DAYS AGO, ON TAPE TO HER DAUGHTER, A DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER, SAYING NO NO, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. I OFFERED 10,000 NATIONAL GUARD AND SHE TURNED THEM DOWN IN WRITING BY THE WAY THE MAYOR IN WRITING, THE MAYOR OF DC, THEY TURNED IT DOWN. I OFFERED 10,000, BECAUSE I COULD SEE I HAD VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO DO. THEY ASKED ME TO MAKE A SPEECH. EVERYBODY WAS SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE ON JANUARY 6th, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE, AND I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING. YOU COULD FEEL IT, TOO, AND YOU COULD FEEL IT. I SAID THEY OUGHT TO HAVE NATIONAL GUARD OR WHATEVER. AND I OFFERED IT TO HER, AND SHE NOW ADMITS THAT SHE TURNED IT DOWN, AND IT WAS THE SAME DAY , CAN'T BE VERY HAPPY WITH HER DAUGHTER, BECAUSE IT MADE HER INTO A LIAR. SHE SAID I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR JANUARY 6th. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> LOOK, HE ENCOURAGED THOSE FOLKS TO GO TO CAPITOL HILL. HE SAT THERE FOR THREE HOURS WATCHING OF HIS COLLEAGUES ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AS , WELL TO DO SOBEING ING, BE VICE PRESIDENT AND A NUMBER OF HIS COLLEAGUES TO DO SOMETHING, TO CALL FOR A STOP, TO END IT. INSTEAD HE CALLED THEM PATRIOTS OF AMERICA. HE SAID HE WILL FORGIVE THEM FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE. HE SAID HE WANTS TO COMMIT THEIR SENTENCES IF CONVICTED. SCORES OF CASES INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT, AND THEY SAID NO, NO, THIS GUY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING WHAT WAS DONE. HE DIDN'T DO A THING, AND THEY SHOULD BE IN JAIL AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE. NOW HE SAYS THERE WILL BE A BLOODBATH, THE WHINER THAT HE IS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> YOURSELF, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE -- HOW YOU THOSEESTR SO D THE INT YOU WANT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOU'VE DESTROYED THE LIVES OF SO MANY PEOPLE WHEN THEY RIPPED DOWN PORTLAND, WHEN THEY RIPPED DOWN-- MANY OTHER CITIES--Y WOU MINNESOTA, MINNEAPOLIS, WHAT THEY'VE DONE THERE, WITH THE FIRES ALL OVER THE CITY, IF I DIDN'T BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD THAT CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT, THEY TOOK OVER CHUNKS OF SEATTLE. I WAS SET TO BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. THEY LEFT IMMEDIATELY. WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THIS WHOLE SUBJECT IS SO OFF. ONE OTHER THING. TWO HORRIBLE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE NOT NOW GOT OUT OF OFFICE IN TWOFOUND BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT WE WERE RIGHT. DEMOCRATS, ALL WE WE. INFORMATION THEY FOUND, BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT WE WERE RIGHT. WE WERE RIGHT, AND THEY DELETED AND DESTROYED ALL OF THE INFORMATION. THEY SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR THAT. IF A REPUBLICAN-- >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN, ONE MINUTE. >> THE ONLY CONVICTED FELON IS THE MAN I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WHAT HE IS TELLING IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THE FACT IS THERE IS NO EFFORT ON HIS PART TO STOP WHAT'S GOING ON UP ON CAPITOL HILL. AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE, EVERY ONE OF THOSE CONVICTED DESERVES TO BE CONVICTED. THE IDEA THAT THEY DIDN'T KILL SOMEBODY, THAT THEY BROKE DOWN DOORS, BROKE WINDOWS, OCCUPIED OFFICES, TURNED OVER DESKS, TURNED OVER STATUES, THE IDEA THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE PATRIOTS., ON. THE FIRST OF TWO DEBATES WE HAD THE FIRST TIME AROUND, I SAID WILL YOU DENOUNCE THE PROUD BOYS? YOU SAID HAVE SOME STANDBY ABOUT NOW, DENOUNCE . THE PEOPLE WH WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? >> I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR A FOLLOW- UP QUESTION I HAVE. AFTER A JURY CONVICTED YOU OF 34 FELONY COUNTS, YOU SAID IF REELECTED HE WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO AFTER YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT MEMBERS OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 6th GOING TO JAIL.S YOUR MAINABOU POLITICAL OPPONENT IS ON THE STAGE WITH YOU TONIGHT. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT IT MEANS ABOUT YOU FEELING YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO AFTER YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS? GOING TO BE SUCCESS. WHEN WE TALKS ABOUT A >> WELL I SAID MY RETRIBUTION IS GOING TO BE SUCCESS. WE WILL MAKE THIS COUNTRY SUCCESSFUL AGAIN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A FAILING NATION. I RETRIBUTION WILL BE SUCCESS. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A CONVICTED FELON, HIS SON IS A CONVICTED FELON AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. HIS SON IS CONVICTED, CONVICTED PROBABLY NUMEROUS OTHER TIMES. SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVICTED BEFORE, BUT HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BUT THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS, BUT HE COULD BE A CONVICTED FELON, JOE COULD BE A CONVICTED FELON WITH ALL OF THE THINGS HE'S DONE AND HE'S DONE HORRIBLE THINGS. ALL OF THE DEATH CAUSED AT THE BORDER, THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLETO BILLI $1 BILLION TO CHANGE THE PROSECUTOR OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT GETTING $1 BILLION, IF I EVER SAID THAT THAT'S QUID PRO QUO. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING, WE AREN'T GOING TO GIVE YOU $1 BILLION UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE PROSECUTOR THIS MAN IS A CRIMINAL. YOU ARE LUCKY. I DID NOTHING WRONG. WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WAS RIGGED AND DISGUSTING. I DID NOTHING WRONG. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU SAID , YOU WANT TO RESPOND? >> THE IDEA THAT I DID ANYTHING WRONG RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS OUTRAGEOUS. IT'S SIMPLY A LIE, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SEEK ATTRIBUTION AGAINST ANY AMERICAN, BECAUSE YOU WERE PRESENT, IS WRONG. IT'S SIMPLY WRONG. NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER SPOKEN LIKE THAT BEFORE. OVER THREE, THE CRIMES YOU ARE STILL CHARGED WITH, HOW MANY FOR MOLESTING A WOMAN IN PUBLI , FOR DOING A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, OF HAVING SEX WITH A PORN STAR WHILE YOUR WIFE WAS PREGNANT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> DID YOU WANT TO ANSWER? >> I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH A PORN START, NUMBER ONE. THEY MOVED A TO START THAT CASE, THAT IT A CASE IS GOING TO BE APPEALED AND WON. THEY HAD A TERRIBLE HORRIBLE JUDGE DEMOCRAT PROSECUTOR WERE ALL HIGH RANKING APPOINTED PEOPLE, AN PEOPLE. AND BOTH THE CIVIL AND THE CRIMINAL. HE BASICALLY WENT AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE AND TO DHT IT WASBOTHNG CIVIL CRIMINAL. HE BASICALLY WENT AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO DAMAGE ME. WHEN THE PUBLIC FOUND OUT ABOUT THESE CASES, BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THEM BETTER THAN HE DOES. WHEN THEY FOUND OUT,OK IN MORE L NUMBERS WENT WAY UP, BECAUSE YOU REPORTING IT, AND WE TOOK IN MORE MONEY IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS THAN WE HAVE EVER TAKEN IN THE HISTORY OF ANY CAMPAIGN I THINK HAS EVER TAKEN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAME POURING IN, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT'S A SCAM, AND IT'S A GUY WHO'S AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, BECAUSE HE CANNOT WIN FAIR AND SQUARE. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP. THE TENS OF MILLIONS PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU SAID DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MAGA REPUBLICANS ARE DETERMINED TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. DO YOU BELIEVE THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE LIKELY TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE VOTING AGAINST AMERICAN DEMOCRACY? >> THE MORE ABOUT THEY KNOW, YES. THE MORE THEY KNOW. YOU HAVE A LOT OF CASES COMING DOWN THE ROAD. HE HAS A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES HE HAS TO FACE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE JURY WILL DO, BUT I KNOW HE HAS A PROBLEM. SO, THE FACT HAVE YOU EVER HEARD A PRESIDENT SAY I'M GOING TO SEEK RETRIBUTION? YOU EVER HEARD A PRESIDENT SAY. BECAUSE OF IRAQ SO CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE WOOD CARRYING SWASTIKAS, CARRYING TORCHES, AND A YOUNG WOMAN GOTG KILLED. I SPOKE TO THE MOTHER. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THOSE PEOPLE I ASKED, THE SAID I THINK THEY ARE FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. WHAT AMERICAN PRESIDENT WOULD SAY NAZIS COMING THAT WITH TORCHES AND SWASTIKAS WERE FINE PEOPLE? THIS IS A GUY. THIS GUY HAS NO SENSE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> JAKE, BOTH OF YOU KNOW THAT STORY HAS BEEN WIPED OUT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THE SENTENCE IT SAID 100% EXONERATION HE SAYS HE RAN BECAUSE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE. HE RAN BECAUSE IT WAS HIS LAST CHANCE, HE IS NOT EQUIPPED. WE' TO AVING A BE PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW IT, I KNOW IT. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. WE ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS PRESIDENCY. HIS PRESIDENCY IS WITHOUT QUESTION HE MADE UP THE CHARLOTTE. ILLE STORY.THERE' TO DEBATE, HE MADE UP THE CHARLOTTESVILLE STORY. IT'S DEBUNKED ALL OVER THE PLACE, EVERY REASONABLE ANCHOR HAS DEBUNKED IT, AND JUST THE OTHER DAY IT CAME OUT WHERE IT WAS FULLY DEBUNKED. IT'S A NONSENSE STORY. HE KNOWS THAT. HE WILL USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO RUN. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> DEBUNKED, IT HAPPENED. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN TO WHAT WAS SAID AT THE TIME. I RAN BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED A GUY LIKE YOU WOULD BE ELECTED. TO THINK GOOD PEOPLE CAME OUT OF THAT FOREST CARRYING THOSE TORCHES THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT. THE IDEA THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS BEING FABRICATED, WE SAW IT WITH OUR OWN EYES. WE SAW JANUARY 6th. HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT, LOOK, 40 OF HIS 44 TOP CABINET OFFICERS HASN'T ENDORSED HIM THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. WE BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. >>> THE FIRE HAS GROWN. HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> PRETTY BAD. >>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE ROLE THE SUPREME COURT IS PLAYING IN THE 2024 ELECTION? IS THERE NOT MORE ISRAEL CAN DO TO HELP THE MENTORING CRISIS? SHOULD ABORTION BE THE NUMBER- ONE ISSUE IN 2024? IF IT'S SUNDAY IT'S MEET THE PRESS. >>> ♪ >>> I'M LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. YOU ARE WATCHING THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> IT IS BEING HOSTED BY CNN. IN ABOUT 40 MINUTES WE WILL BREAK DOWN THE DEBATE IN THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS, ALL RIGHT HERE ON NBC. HERE ON NBC. >>> LIVE FROM GEORGIA, LET'S TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC CHALLENGES YOU BOTH FACED IN YOUR FIRST TERMS AND WOULD CERTAINLY FACE AGAIN IN THE SECOND TERM. PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHILE BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT DROPPED TO A RECORD LOW UNDER YOUR PRESIDENCY, BLACK FAMILIES STILL EARNED FAR LESS THAN WHITE FAMILIES. BLACK MOTHERS ARE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM PREGNANCY RELATED CAUSES, AND LACK AMERICANS ARE IMPRISONED AT FIVE TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE AMERICANS. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO LACK VOTERS WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED YOU HAVEN'T MADE MORE PROGRESS? >> WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS, NUMBER ONE. MORE SMALL BLACK BUSINESSES STARTED THAN ANY TIME IN HISTORY. BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT IS THE LOWEST IT'S BEEN IN A LONG TIME. NUMBER THREE. HOUSING FOR BLACK AMERICANS AND THESE CORPORATE RACISTS COLLUDE TO KEEP THEM OUT. THAT IMPACT ON CHOICE THAT FAMILIES HAVE TO MAKE RELATIVE TO CHILDCARE I WAS ABLE TO REDUCE BLACK CHILDCARE COSTS, I CUT THEM IN HALF. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE COSTS, PROVIDE CHILDCARE PROTECTIONE CAN BE IN THE JOB MABKQ9 SO, THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE, CONSIDERABLY MORE TO BE S NE.MORE PEOPLE IN BUT W THE DONE A G JOB MARKET. SO THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE. BUT WE HAVE DONE A GREAT DEAL SO FAR, AND I'M NOT LETTING UP, AND THEY KNOW IT. >> YOU HAVE 49 SECONDS LEFT. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE PROGRESS SO FAR? >> I WOULD SAY I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR BEING DISAPPOINTED. I PROVIDED FOR THE IDEA THAT ANY BLACK FAMILY FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS SHOULD GET A $10,000 TAX CREDIT TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME SO THEY CAN GET STARTED. I MADE SURE WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE BLACK FAMILIES AND BLACK BUSINESSES CAN TAKE OUT STUDENT LOAN ANYTHING HAVING TO DO S IFITH VOLUNTEE THEY PAID THEIRY PAID THEIR BILLS FOR 10 YEARS ALL THE REST IS FORGIVEN AFTER 10 YEARS, AND WE ARE GOING TO DO A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR BLACK FAMILIES. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> AND HE CAUSED TO THE INFLATION. HE'S BLAMING INFLATION, AND IT IS BAD. HE CAUSED THE INFLATION, AND IT'S KILLING BLACK FAMILIES AND JUST ABOUT EVERYBODYN'T -- YOU K AT THE COST OF FOOD, WHERE IT'S DOUBLED AND TRIPLED AND QUADRUPLED. . THEY CAN'T YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF FOOD WHERE IT'S DOUBLED, TRIPLED, AND QUADRUPLED, THEY CAN'T LIVE. THEY ARE NOT LIVING ANYMORE. HE CAUSED THIS INFLATION. I GAVE HIM THE COUNTRY WITH ESSENTIALLY NO INFLATION. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LEAVE IT ALONE. ALL THIS MONEY BEING THROWN OUT THE WINDOW, HE CAUSED INFLATION. AS SURE AS YOU ARE SITTING THERE, THE FACT IS THAT HIS BIG KILL ON THE BLACK PEOPLE IS THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HE'S ALLOWED TO COME INTO THE BORDER, THEY ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS NOW. AND IT COULD BE 18, EVEN 20 MILLION PEOPLE IT YET, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING THAT THATARE GOING TO BTAKING BLACK JOBS, AND THEY ARE TAKING HISPANIC JOBS. AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE THE WORST IN OUR HISTORY. AS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW WHY? THE ECONOMY WAS FLAT ON ITS BACK. 50% UNEMPLOYMENT. HE DECIMATED THE ECONOMY. THAT'S WHY THERE WAS NO INFLATION AT THE TIME. THERE WERE NO JOBS. I PROVIDED THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF JOBS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN I'ORITY COMMUNITIES. WE MADE SURE THEY HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. WE HAVE COVERED -- THE ACA HAS INCREASED -- I MADE THERE ARE $8,000 PER PERSON IN A FAMILY TO GE THEY TRIED 50 TIMES. HE WANTS TO GET RAID OF THE ACA AGAIN. AND THEY WILL TRY AGAIN IF THEY WIN. WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE THE IDEA THAT WE ARE NOT DOING. I PUT MORE, WE PUT MORE ANPOLICE ON THE STREE BUT IN INFLATION, HE T. HIS MALFEASANCE IN THE WAY HE HANDLED THE PANDEMIC. >> THANK YOU. ANOTHER PERSISTENT CHALLENGE IS THE CLIMATE CRISIS. 2023 WAS THE HOTTEST YEAR IN RECORDED HISTORY. AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE CONFRONTING THEIR DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF EXTREME HEAT, INTENSIFYING WILD FIRES. STRONGER HURRICANES AND RISING SEA LEVELS. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE VOWED TO END YOUR OPPONENT'S CLIMATE INITIATIVES BUT WILL YOU TAKE ANY ACTION TO SLOW THE CLIMATE CRISIS? >> LET ME JUST GO BACK TO WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE POLICE. HOW CLOSE THE POLICE ARE. ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP IN THE NATION FROM EVERY STATE IS UP THE PORTING DONALD J. TRUMP. ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP. WHAT HE HAS DONE TO THE BLACK POPULATION IS HORRIBLE. INCLUDING THE FACT THAT FOR TEN YEARS HE CALLED THEM SUPERPREDATORS. WE CAN'T FORGET THAT. THAT WAS HIS NAME. THEY HAVE TAKEN GREAT OFFENSE TO IT. WHEN THEY SEE WHAT I DID TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND THE HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, I FUNDED THEM, GOT THEM ALL FUNDED. U AND THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES. TIM SCOTT WAS INCREDIBLE. HE CAME TO ME WITH THE IDEA AND IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTS EVER IN THE COUNTRY. OPPORTUNITY ZONES. AND THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARY OF BLACKS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BEST NUMBERS WITH THEM EVER. HE HAS LOST MUCH OF THE BLACK POPULATION BECAUSE HE HAS DONE A HORRIBLE JOB FOR BLACK PEOPLE. WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO THE COUNTRY AND THEY WILL TAKE THE JOBS AND IT ALREADY STARTED AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET. IT'S A DISASTER. >> 38 SECONDS LEFT. WILL YOU TAKE ANY ACTION AS PRESIDENT TO SLOW THE CLIMATE CRISIS? >> I WANT ABSOLUTELY IMMACULATE CLEAN WATER AND I WANT ABSOLUTELY CLEAN AIR AND WE HAD IT. WE HAD H2O. THE BEST NUMBERS AND. AND WE WERE USING ALL FORMS OF ENERGY. ALL FORMS. EVERYTHING. AND YET, DURING MY FOUR YEARS, I HAD THE BEST VIRALLAL NUMBERS EVER. AND MY TOP ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE GAVE ME THE STATISTIC BEFORE I WALKED ON THE STAGE ACTUALLY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HELL HE'S BEEN. THE IDEA THAT ANYTHING HE SAID IS TRUE. I PASSED THE MOST EXPENSIVE CLIMATE CHANGE LEGISLATION IN HISTORY. WE FIND OURSELVES, AND BY THE WAY, I CAME UP WITH THE COLLEGES THEY DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF CONTRIBUTORS THEY HAVE TO BUILD THESE LABORATORIES. ANY BLACK STUDENTS THEY HAVE THE MONEY. NOW TO GET THE JOBS AND HIGH TECH. IN THE SITUATION WHERE THE IDEA HE IS CLAIMING TO HAVE THE CLEANEST WATER? HE DIDN'T DO A THING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. THE PARIS PEACE ACCORD. I IMMEDIATELY JOINED IT. THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO HUMANITY IS CLIMATE CHANGE. HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO A THING ABOUT IT. >> THE PARIS ACCORD WAS GOING TO COST IT A TRILLION DOLLARS AND CHINA NOTHING AND RUSSIA NOTHING AND INDIA NOTHING. IT WAS A RIPOFF OF THE UNITED STATES. AND I ENDED IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE THAT MONEY BECAUSE THEY TREAT US HORRIBLY. IT WAS A DISASTER. BUT EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID JUST NOW, I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I HEARD HIM SAY BEFORE INSULIN. I'M THE ONE THAT GOT THE INSULIN DOWN FOR THE SENIORS. I HAD THE BIGGEST HEART ON THE STAGE, I GUARANTEE YOU HA. I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE. BUT WE ARE DESTROYING OUR PEOPLE. THEY ARE TAKING OVER OUR SCHOOLS, OUR HOSPITALS. AND THEY WILL BE TAKING OVER SOCIAL SECURITY. HE IS DESTROYING SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID. >> WE WERE THE ONLY ONES OF CONSEQUENCE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE PARIS ACCORD. HOW COULD WE DO ANYTHING THE UNITED STATES? WE ARE THE LARGEST POLLUTER INS THE WORLD. NUMBER ONE. WE ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. BY 2035, WE WILL HAVE CUT POLLUTION IN HALF. WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. LEARNING HOW TO DEAL WITH PEACE CORP. WE ARE GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE ELEMENTS THAT CAUSE THE POLLUTION. BUT THE IDEA THAT HE CLAIMS THAT HE HAS THE BIGGEST HEART AND IS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT POLLUTION, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY INDICATION OF THAT. ONE COMPANY AGREED THEY WOULD REDUCE THE PRICE TO $35 WHICH I WAS CALLING FOR. I MADE SURE EVERY COMPANY IN THE WORLD, EVERY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY CANNOT HAVE TO. AND BY THE WAY. >> SO EVERY DAY, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS STRUGGLE JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET. FOR MANY OLDER AMERICANS, SOCIAL SECURITY PROVIDES A CRITICAL LIFELINE. WILL YOU NAME ONE SPECIFIC STEP YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE TO KEEP SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT? >> MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY MAKING UNDER $175, PAYS 6% OF THEIR INCOME. OF THEIR PAYCHECK. EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GET A PAYCHECK EVERYBODY, THEY PAY -- MILLIONAIRES PAY 1%. NOT RAISED THE COST OF SOCIAL SECURITY FOR ANYBODY UNDER $400,000. MAKE THE WEALTHY BEGIN TO SHARE THEIR FAIR SHARE. BY INCREASING FROM 1% BEYOND TO BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THE PROGRAM FOR LIFE. >> YOU HAVE 82 SECONDS LEFT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEASURES YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP KEEP SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT OR IS THAT ONE ENOUGH? >> WELL, THAT ONE ENOUGH WILL KEEP IT SOLID. BUT THE BIGGEST THING IT WILL DO IF WE DEFEAT THIS MAN, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET RID OF SOCIAL SECURITY. HE THINKS THERE'S PLENTY TO CUT FROM SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WANTS TO CUT IT AND MEDICARE. BOTH TIMES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRAM PUTS FORWARD WANTED TO CUT IT AS WELL. IT IS RIDICULOUS. AND BY THE WAY, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS GREATER HEALTH CARE COVERAGE THAN EVER BEFORE. YOU ARE IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE 400,000 PEOPLE, 40 MILLION PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CONDITION. THE ONLY THING ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THE INSURANCE IS THE FACT THEY ARE PART OF THE ACA. AND BY THE WAY, THE OTHER THING IS, WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT EDUCATION FOR BACK COMMUNITIES. I RAISED THE NUMBER, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR PELL GRANTS, ANYBODY MAKING UNDER $70,000 A YEAR WILL BE ABLE TO GET $15,000 TOWARD THE TUITION. HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. >> SO I HAVE DEALT WITH POLITICS ALL MY LIFE. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE EQUATION FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY LIE LIKE THIS GUY. HE LIES, I HAVE NEVER SEEN, HE COULD LOOK YOU IN THE FACE. SO MANY OTHER THINGS TOO. AND WE MENTIONED THE LAPTOP, WE MENTIONED RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA. UKRAINE, UKRAINE, AND EVERYTHING HE DOES IS A LIE. IT IS MISINFORMATION. AND DISINFORMATION. THE LOSERS AND SUCKERS STORY THAT HE MADE UP IS A TOTAL LIE ON THE MILITARY. IT IS A DISGRACE. BUT SOCIAL SECURITY, HE IS DESTROYING IT. BECAUSE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE PUTTING HIM ONTO SOCIAL MEDIA. THEY ARE PUTTING HIM ONTO MEDICARE, MEDICAID. WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE VA, TO OUR VETERANS IS UNBELIEVABLE. HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH ANGER. >> WHEN I SAID SUCKERS AND LOSERS, HE FIRED THAT GENERAL. THAT GENERAL GOT FIRED BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE WHO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. HE WAS THE ONE STANDING WITH TRUMP WHEN HE SAID IT. NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA THERE WILL BE A SITUATION WHERE ALL THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS HE TALKS ABOUT, ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE COMING INTO THE COUNTRY. TAKING AWAY OUR JOBS. THERE IS A REASON WHY WE HAVE THE FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD. THOSE 15 NOBLE LAUREATS HE TALKED ABOUT, IF TRUMP IS REELECTED WE WOULD HAVE A RECESSION. THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. >> YOU AND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. BUT THE AVERAGE COST TO CHILD CARE HAS RAISED TO $11,000 A YEAR. IN YOUR SECOND TERM, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE CHILD CARE MORE AFFORDABLEAT'S WHY HE MADE IT UP. BUT WE HAVE 19 PEOPLE THAT SAID I DIDN'T SAY IT, AND THEY'RE VERY HIGHLY RESPECTED, MUCH MORE SO THAN HIM. THE OTHER THING IS, HE HE DOESN'T FIRE PEOPLE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM FIRE ANYBODY. I HAVE FIRED A LOT OF THE TOP PEOPLE I FIRED HIM. THIS GUY HASN'T FIRED ANYBODY. HE NEVER FIRES -- HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED EVERY MILITARY MAN THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT AFGHANISTAN HORROR SHOW, THE MOST THE HISTORY OF FIRE.IN HE DIT DID HE FIRE ANYBODY? DID YOU FIRE ANYBODY THAT IS ON THE BORDER? DID ANYBODY GET FIRED? FOR ALLOWING 18 MILLION PEOPLE? MANY FROM PRISONS? MANY FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS?S TIME ON THIS DEBATE. THIS SHOULDN'T BE A DEBATE. HE IS THE WORST PRESIDENT. HE JUST SAID ABOUT ME BECAUSE HE HAS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE IS TRYING TO GET A LITTLE TOUGH ON THE BORDER. CAME OUT WITH A NOTHING DEAL. AND REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT. A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS MUCH. IT IS BINSIGNIFICANT. HE WANTS OPEN BORDERS. WE JUST CAN'T LET IT HAPPEN. IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION, OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE, NOT EVEN A CHANCE, OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT. WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A HE IS THE WORST IN HISTORY BY FAR. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN HISTORY OF THE WORLD. KNOWING THINGS. KNOWING NOT TO SCREW AROUND WITH US. NOBODY. NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WORST PRESIDENTS. I WASN'T JOKING. LOOK IT UP. GO ONLINE. 159, DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER. PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS HAD MEETINGS AND VOTED WHO WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THEY SAID HE WAS THE WORST IN ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY. THAT'S A FACT. THAT'S NOT CONJECTURE. HE CAN ARGUE THEY ARE WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY VOTED. THE IDEA THAT HE IS NOT DOING ANYTHING TO DEAL WITH CHILD CARE. HE DID VIRTUALLY NOTHING FOR CHILD CARE. WE SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT. WE SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF WOMEN AND MEN, SINGLE PARENTS TO GO BACK TO WORK. AND WE SHOULD NCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO HOLD, TO HAVE. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE CHILD MARE MORE AFFORDABLE. >> JUST YOU UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT RATE HIM THE WORST. BECAUSE WHAT HE HAS DONE IS SO BAD. AND THEY RATE ME. I'LL SHOW YOU. I WILL SHOW YOU. AND THEY RATE ME ONE OF THE BEST. OKAY? IF I'M GIVEN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, I WOULD BE THE BEST. HE WANTS TO RAISE YOUR TAXES BY FOUR TIMES. HE WANTS TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES BY FOUR TIMES. HE WANTS THE TRUMP TAX CUTS TO EXPIRE. SO EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE TWO OF YOU WILL PAY FOUR TO FIVE TIMES. NOBODY EVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE. I GROW UP AND I SEE POLITICIANS CUTTING TAXES. WE DID MORE BUSINESS. AM APPLE AND TALL THESE COMPANIES, THEY WERE BRINGING MONEY BACK INTO THE COUNTRY. WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY BY FAR AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. >> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS HE IS DEAD WRONG. HE HAS INCREASED, HE WILL INCREASE THE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE. HIS TARIFF, EVERYTHING COMING INTO THE COUNTRY. YOU KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMISTS SAY? THAT WILL COST THE AVERAGE AMERICAN $2,500 A YEAR MORE. NOT RAISED -- HE SOMEHOW HELPED THE DéDNDNSR"DLE CLASS. THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS BEEN DEVASTATED BY YOU. NOW YOU WANT A NEW TAX CUT OF $5 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN A FUNDAMENTALLY BANKRUPTED COUNTRY. YOU HAVE THE LARGEST DEFICI HE HAS THE WORST DEFICIT IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY. YOU HAVE NOT MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH CHINAHAT BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE A TOP PRIORITY IN >> FOR BOTH OF YOU, THE NUMBER OF OVERDOSE DEATHS IN THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE UP UNDER YOUR TERM. IT HAS GONE UP. DESPITE THE EFFORTS BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE, MORE THAN 100,000 AMERICANS ARE DYING FROM OVERDOSES EVERY YEAR. PRIMARILY FROM FENTANYL. WHAT WILL YOU DO TO HELP AMERICANS RIGHT NOW IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED? >> PEOPLE NOW HAVE THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY UNDER THIS GUY. WE HAVE THE LARGEST DEFICIT WITH CHINA. HE GETS PAID BY CHINA. HE IS A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. HE GETS MONEY FROM CHINA. I THINK HE IS AFRAID TO DEAL WITH THEM OR SOMETHING. BUT YOU NOTICE HE NEVER TOOK OUT MY TARIFFS BECAUSE WE BRING HIM SO MUCH MONEY WITH THE TARIFFS I IMPOSED ON CHINA. HE NEVER TOOK THEM AWAY. HE CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH MONEY. IT IS TREMENDOUS. AND WE SAVED OUR STEEL INDUSTRIES AND THERE WAS MORE TO COME. BUT HE HASN'T DONE THAT. BUT HE HASN'T CUT THE TARIFFS BECAUSE HE CAN'T. IT IS TOO MUCH MONEY. BUT HE HAS THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. AND HE HAS THE WORST SITUATION WITH CHINA. CHINA IS GOING TO OWN US IF YOU KEEP ALLOWING THEM TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US AS A COUNTRY. THEY ARE KILLING US AS A COUNTRY, JOE. AND YOU CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN. YOU ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. >> WHAT DO YOU DO TO HELP AMERICAN INS THE THROES OF ADDICTION STRUGGLING TO GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED? >> JAKE, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL WITH ADDICTION UNTIL THE COVID CAME ALONG. TWO-AND-A-HALF, THREE YEARS LIKE NOBODY HAS EVER HAD BEFORE. ANY COUNTRY IN ANY WAY. AND WE HAD TO GET TOUGH. AND THE DRUGS POURING ACROSS THE BORDER, IT STARTED TO INCREASE. WE GOT GREAT EQUIPMENT. IT IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING YOU HAVE EVER SEEN, THE DOGS T WAY THEY SPOT IT. AND WE DID A LOT AND WERE GETTING VERY LOW NUMBERS. VERY, VERY LOW NUMBERS. THEN HI CAME ALONG, THE NUMBERS, HAVE YOU SEEN THE NUMBERS NOW? IT IS NOT ONLY THE 18 MILLION PEOPLE THAT I BELIEVE IS EVEN LOW, BECAUSE THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT GOT AWAYS. BUT THE AMOUNT OF DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN WOMEN COMING ACROSS OUR BORDER. THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN. NUMBERS NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN. THE NUMBER OF DRUGS COMING ACROSS OUR BORDER NOW IS THE LARGEST WE HAVE EVER HAD BY FAR. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> FENTANYL AND BY-PRODUCTS OF FENTANYL WENT DOWN FOR A WHILE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE USE THE MACHINERY THAT CAN DETECT FENTANYL. THESE BIG MACHINES THAT ROLL OVER EVERYTHING THAT COMES ACROSS THE BORDER AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. FENTANYL MACHINES. THEY SAID DON'T DO IT. IT WILL HURT PEOPLE. IT IS A REALLY GOOD BILL. WE NEED THOSE MACHINES. WE NEED THOSE MACHINES. WE ARE COMING DOWN VERY HARD IN EVERY COUNTRY IN ASIA IN TERMS OF PRECURSORS FOR FENTANYL. AND MEXICO IS WORKING WITH US TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO. WE NEED THOSE MACHINES. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN. NOW PRESIDENT TRUMP, AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT AMERICANS IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION NOW STRUGGLEING TO GET THE TREATMENT THEY NEED. >> BECAUSE THIS DOES PERTAIN TO IT. HE ENDED REMAIN IN MEXICO. HE ENDED CATCH AND RELEASE. HARD NEGOTIATIONS WITH MEXICO. I GOT IT ALL FOR NOTHING PUTIN IS LAUGHING AT THIS GUY. HOPING FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE REPORTER. I WILL HAVE HIM OUT VERY QUICKLY. AS SOON AS I TAKE OFFICE, BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE, I SAID, BY LITERALLY, AS SOON AS I WIN THE ELECTION, I WILL HAVE THAT REPORTER OUT. WE HAD TWO CASES >>> LET'S TURN TO CONCERNS THAT VOTERS HAVE ABOUT EACH OF YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU WOULD BE 86 AT THE END OF YOUR SECOND TERM. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS CONCERNS ANT YOUR CAPABILITY TO HANDLE THE TOUGHEST JOB IN THE WORLD WELL INTO YOUR 80s ? >> FIRST OF ALL, I SPENT HALF MY CAREER BEING CRITICIZED BEING THE YOUNGEST PERSON IN POLITICS. I WAS THE SECOND YOUNGEST PERSON EVER ELECTED IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. NOW I'M THE OLDEST. THIS GUY IS THREE YEARS YOUNGER AND A LOT LESS COMPETENT. LOOK AT THE RECORD. LOOK AT I WHAT HAVE DONE. AS I SAID, 50 MILLION NEW JOBS, 800,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS, OVER MILLIONS, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMPUTER CHIPS. WE INVENTED THOSE CHIPS. AND WE LOST IT BECAUSE HE WAS SENDING PEOPLE TO FIND THE CHEAPEST JOBS OVERSEAS DOLLARS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. THEY PAY OVER $100,000. CREATING SIGNIFICANT JOBS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLDI NEVER HEARD A PRESIDENT TALK LIKE THIS BEFORE. WE'RE THE ENVY OF THE WORLD. NAME ME A SINGLE MAJOR. A SIE MAJOR COUNTRY PRESIDENT. WE ARE THE MOST PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD GETTING THINGS DONE. THE STRONGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WE ARE A COUNTRY WHO KEEPS OUR WORD AND TRUSTS US. ALL OF OUR ALLIES. AND THOSE KIM JONG UN. THEY DON'T WANT TOEC SCREW AROU WITH THIS. >> I TOOK TWO COGNITIVE TESTS, I >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM TAKE ONE: WE KNOCK ON WOOD WHERE WE HAVE WOOD. NOT EVEN SENIOR, TWO REGULAR CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS. TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO BE QUITE SMART. AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HIT THE BALL A LONG WAY. AND I DO IT. HE CAN'T HIT A BALL 50 YARDS. I THINK I'M IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. I FEEL THAT I'M IN AS GOOD A SHAPE. I'M AS GOOD A SHAPE AS I WAS YEARS AGO. I FEEL THE SAME. DR. JACKSON WHO IS A GREAT GUY. ONE OF THEM SAID THEY HAD NEVER SEEN ANYBODY ACE THEM. >> THANK YOU WELL, YOU SAID 6'4 200 -- WELL, ANYWAY. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS HE IS AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE IS. LOOK, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A DRIVING CONTEST. I WAS VICE PRESIDENT DOWN TO A 6. BY THE WAY, I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I'M HAPPY TO PLAY GOLF IF YOU CARRY YOUR OWN BAG. YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT? >> A SIX HANDY GAP? >> I WAS EIGHT HANDICAP. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE ARE GOING TO TURN OFF. >> LET'S NOT ACT LIKE CHILDREN. >> THE SPECIFIC CONCERN THAT VOTERS HAVE ABOUT YOU. WILL YOU PLEDGE TONIGHT THAT ONCE ALL LEGAL CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED, THAT YOU WILL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS AND YOU WILL SAY RIGHT NOW THAT POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN ANY FORM IS UNACCEPTABLE. >> WELL I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT. IF YOU SEE THE STATEMENTS I MADE ON TWITTER AT THE TIME. IN ADDITION TO THE SPEECH I MADE IN FRONT OF THE LARGEST CROWD I HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO AND I WILL TELL YOU NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT. THEY TALK ABOUT A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WENT TO THE CAPITOL. AND WERE USHERED IN BY THE POLICE. IT WAS HER RESPONSIBILITY, NANCY PELOSI, SHE SAID THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. I WISH HE WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT. I WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT NOW. I WOULD BE AT ONE OF MY MANY PLACES ENJOYING MYSELF. I WOULDN'T BE UNDER INDICTMENT BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. I WISH HE WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT. I'M GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. WE ARE A FAILING NATION RIGHT NOW. A SERIOUSLY FAILING NATION. AND WE ARE A FAILING NATION BECAUSE OF HIM. HIS POLICIES ARE SO BAD. HIS MILITARY POLICIES ARE INSANE. THESE ARE WORDS THAT WOULD NEVER END WITH HIM. HE WOULD DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR 3. AND WE ARE CLOSER TO WORLD WAR 3 THAN ANYBODY COULD IMAGINE. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO WORLD WAR 3 THEY HAVE NOTHING GOING WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AND HE WILL DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR 3. >> YOU WANT A WORLD WAR 3. JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT. A REQUIRED RESPONSE. THE IDEA. I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE NATION IN THE WORLD LEADER WHO WOULDN'T TRADE PLACES WITH THE JOB I HAVE DONE. BECAUSE WE ARE A POWERFUL NATION. BECAUSE WE HAVE WONDERFUL PEACE. THEY STEP UP WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED MAKE SURE THEY MOVE ON. SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN POLAND. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, AS I COME BACK TO YOU FOR A FOLLOW-UP, THE QUESTION WAS, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION , BIDEN. THEY TOOK NO LAND, THEY TOOK NOTHING OTHIN FROM TRUMP. HE KNEW NOT TO DO IT. HE KNEW NOT TO PLAY GAMES. THAT IS A WAR THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. IT NEVER WOULD HAVE STARTED EVER WITH ME. AND HE IS GOING TO TAKE UKRAINE. HE HAS US IN SUCH A BAD POSITION RIGHT NOW, WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA. UKRAINE IS NOT WINNING THAT WAR. HE SAID I WILL NEVER SETTLE UNTIL SUCH TIME. THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE. THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF SOLDIERS. THEY HAVE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE. IT IS SO SAD. THEY HAVE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE AND THEY LOST THOSE GORGEOUS CITIES WITH THE GOLDEN DOMES THAT ARE A THOUSAND YEARS OLD. ALL BECAUSE OF HIM AND STUPID DECISIONS. RUSSIA WOULD NEVER HAVE ATTACKED. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE QUESTION WAS WILL YOU ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION? REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS? YES OR NO PLEASE? >> IF IT'S A FAIR AND LEGAL AND GOOD ELECTION, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD HAVE MUCH RATHER ACCEPTED THESE. I WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ON OUR WEEK.UN UNTIL I SAE HORRIBLE JOB HE DID. HE'S DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO BE SOMEPLACE ELSE IN A NICE LOCATION! SOMEPLACE. AND AGAIN, NO INDICTMENTS NO, KNOWING NO POLITICAL OPPONENT, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS DRIVEN UP BY NUMBERS. AND DRIVEN UP TO A VERY HIGH LEVEL. AND APPEALED TO COURTS ALL ACROSS THE CO NOT ONE SINGLE COURT IN AMERICA HAD ANY MERIT. STATE OR LOCAL. NONE. BUT YOU CONTINUE TO PROVOKE THIS LIE. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO THAT AT ALL. YOU ARE SUCH A WHINER. YOU CAN'T STAND THE LOSS. SOMETHING SNAPPED IN YOU WHEN YOU LOST LAST TIME. >> WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE FROM THE CNN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. LIVE FROM GEORGIA. >>> THE NEWS NEWS MOBILE APP. GET CONNECTED TO YOUR FAVORITE NEWS SHOW. WITH THE TOP STORIES. BREAKING NEWS, AND LIVE VIDEO. >> KRIS VANTOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS STREAMING WEEKNIGHTS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> I'M LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >> AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS DEBATE. IN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES OR SO, WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US FOR ANALYSIS. >> WE WILL BREAK DOWN HOW THIS NIGHT COULD SHAKE UP THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE. BACK TO ATLANTA NOW.THE NEXT FI MONTHS. LACK TO ATLANTA NOW. >>> CANDIDATES TO DELIVER THEIR CLOSING >> WE WILL BEGIN WITH YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS FROM THE DEBACLE OF WHAT IS LEFT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. IN HIS LAST TERM. WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FAIR TAX SYSTEM. I ASK ANYONE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE, ANYONE OUT THERE WATCHING THIS DEBATE, DO YOU THINK THE TAX SYSTEM IS FAIR? THE FACT IS NOBODY MAKING UNDER $400,000 SAW A SINGLE PENNY INCREASE. THIS GUY HAS INCREASED YOUR TAXES BECAUSE THE DEFICIT. NUMBER ONE, INCREASED BECAUSE OF THE DEBACLE HE LEFT AFTER HE HANDLED THE PANDEMIC. HE NOW WANTS TO TAX YOU MORE BY PUTTING A 10% TARIFF THE ABILITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES WITH THE BIG PHARMA COMPANIES. WE GOT IT DOWN TO $35. $200,000 FOR EVERY SENIOR NO MATTER WHAT. HOW MUCH PRESCRIPTION THEY NEED. THE FACT IS, THAT REDUCED THE DEBT BY $160 BILLION EVERY TEN YEARS. EVERYBODY IN AMERICA, HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THAT. I WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE CHILD CARE. INCREASE THE CREDIT PEOPLE HAVE WITH CHILD CARE. SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING ABOUT LEAD PIPED AND EVERYTHING CAUSING HEALTH PROBLEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO BRING DOWN INFLATION AND GIVE PEOPLE A BREAK. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU NOW HAVE TWO MINUTES FOR YOUR CLOSING STATEMENTS. >> LIKE SO MANY POLITICIANS THIS MAN IS JUST A COMPLAINER. HE SAYS WE WANT TO DO THIS AND THAT AND GET RID OF THIS TAX, THAT TAX. BUT HE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. ALL HE DOES IS MAKE OUR COUNTRY UNSAFE BY ALLOWING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO POUR IN. OUR MILITARY DOESN'T RESPECT HIM. WE LOOK LIKE FOOLS IN AFGHANISTAN. WE DIDN'T STOP ISRAEL. IRAN WAS BROKE. ANYBODY THAT DID BUSINESS WITH IRAN INCLUDING CHINA, THEY COULDN'T DO BUSINESS WITH THE UNITED STATES. THEY ALL PASSED. IRAN WAS BROKE. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS OR HEZBOLLAH. NO MONEY WHATSOEVER. AGAIN, UKRAINE SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. HE TALKS ABOUT ALL THE STUFF BUT HE DIDN'T DO IT FOR THREE- AND-A-HALF YEARS WE ARE LIVING IN HELL. WE HAVE THE PALESTINIANS AND EVERYBODY ELSE RIDING ALL OVER THE PLACE. THIS IS 100 TIMES CHARLOTTESVILLE. THEY HAVE TO RESPECT THEIR PRESIDENT AND THEY DON'T RESPECT YOU THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. WHAT WE DID WAS INCREDIBLE. WE REBUILT THE MILITARY. WE GOT THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY. THE LARGEST REGULATION CUT IN HISTORY. THE REASON HE GOT JOBS IS BECAUSE I CUT THE REGULATIONS THAT GAVE JOBS BUT HE IS PUTTING A LOT OF THE REGULATIONS BACK ON. ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE, NOBODY HAS SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. SPACE AGE MATERIALS, INSTEAD OF GOING TO ASIA AND EUROPE. NOW YOU CAN GO AND YOU CAN GET SOMETHING YOU SIGN A DOCUMENT. THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET IT FOR 42 YEARS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DID FOR THE MILITARY WAS INCREDIBLE CHOICE FOR OUR SOLDIERS. CAN GET THEMSELVES FIXED UP AND READIED UP AND TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. AND THEY ARE LIVING. AND THAT IS WHY I HAD THE HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FAILING ANYMORE. WE WILL MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN. >> STAY WITH US. WE HAVE FULL ANALYSIS OF THIS DEBATE. NOW ON CNN. >>> SO, WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE WRAPUP OF THE DEBATE. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP MAKING HIS CLOSING STATEMENT WRAPPING UP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE HOSTED BY CNN. WITH MR. TRUMP FACING OFF AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN. INCLUDING ECONOMY, ABORTION. IMMIGRATION, CHILD CARE, SOCIAL SECURITY. AND OF COURSE, THE KEY ISSUE, THE COMPETENCE OF BOTH MENIOUS DEBATE. LET'S BRING IN KRISTEN WELKER IN THE DEBATE WHAT ARE THE HEADLINES BEING WRITTEN RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS DEBATE NOW ABOUT THIS DEBATE? >> LESTER AND SAVANNAH, THERE'S NO WA AT TIMES WE TALK ABOUT ONE TOPIC, EXAMPLE INS THE ECONOMY. SHIFTED TO AFGHANISTAN. GAVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AN OPENING.WHICH GAVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AN OPENING. AS THE NIGHT PROGRESSED, HE DID BEGIN TO PICK UP STEAM. HE HAD SOME REALLY STRONG MOMENTS ON THE ISSUES OF WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, FOR EXAMPLE, H ZOOMING OUT, THIS WAS A DEBATE ABOUT PERFORMANCE. THIS WAS A DEBATE ABOUT ALLAYING AMERICANS' CONCERNS ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO SERVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. THEY ARE CONCERNED BY TONIGHT'S DEBATE. ONE TELLING ME OF THIS RACE, QUOTE, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY OVER. DEMOCRATS ARE STILL GOING TO STANDBY BIDEN. DESPITE THE FACT YOU HAVE SOME DEMOCRATS TONIGHT WONDERING IF THAT WILL BE THE CASE. PEOPLE WITH TOUGH LANGUAGE REACHING OUT. THE PERFORMANCE THEY SAW FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP UNLEASHED A TORRENT AT TIMES OF MISINFORMATION. PRESIDENT BIDEN FACT CHECK. YOU HAVE TO WONDER IF THE FORMAT OF THIS DEBATE, THE FACT THAT THE JACKSON, WHO'S IN THE . >> HERE IS THE RACE, THIS IN SOME WAYS WAS ESSENTIALLY TIED PERHAPS AT DONALD TRUMP. HAD A LEAD IN MOST OF THEM. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WANTED AND NEEDED A COMPELLING PERFORMANCE FROM THEIR CANDIDATE. DID THEY GET IT? >> IF A VOTER WAS TUNING IN, LOOKING TO SEE ABOUT CONCERNS BEING ALLEVIATED, ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE OR STRENGTH OR CAPABILITY FOR OFFICE, IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR THAT IWHAT THEY GOT FROM THIS PERFORMANCE BY PRESIDENT BIDEN TONIGHT. IT WAS A SHAKY START. MEANDERING AT TIMES. CONGRESS WHO HAS BEEN A STRONG SUPPORT OF PRESIDENT BIDEN WHO ARE SUGGESTED THE POSSIBILITY, PERHAPS, OF AN OPEN CONVENTION, OR REPLACING PRESIDENT BIDEN ON THE TICKET. I WILL TELL YOU IT IS ALL BUT POTENTIALLY THE FACT THAT IS BEING RAISED. A SHADOW HANGING OVER THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN IS AT MINIMUM A HEADACHE MOVING INTO THE BIDEN CAMPAIGNNTHS, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM VOTERS DNDNR' POLLING CONSISTENTLY, WHICH IS CONCERN FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. THEY CALL IT THE SPINNING ROOM. I WILL TELL YOU THE EARLY SPIN NOW FROM TEAM BIDEN SUGGESTING THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ANSWER FOR JANUARY 6th WAS NOT A GOOD ONE. PEOPLE WERE TURNED OFF BY HIS INSULTS BY ATTACKS. THE SOCIAL ECONOMY THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW. THIS IDEA THAT THESE SHAREABLE MOMENTS ARE WHAT PEOPLE TEND TO SEE, PERHAPS THE NEXT DAY OR THE DAY AFTER, AND THERE ARE SOME MOMENTS HERE THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO FIND TOUGH TO SWALLOW BASED ON THE PRESIDENT'S PERFORMANCE. >> MR. MAYOR, LET'S PUT A FINE POINT ON IT. IS THIS THE COMMANDING PERFORMANCE FROM YOUR CANDIDATE THAT YOU HOPE TO SEE? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A BARE KNUCKLES BRAWL. THE PRESIDENT STARTED SLOW BUT CAME BACK. THE MOST COMPELLING THING IS WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS SPEAKING HE WAS LYING AND THE FACT THERE WAS NO FACT CHECKING IS INCREDIBLE. IT IS REALLY HARD TO DEBATE SOMEBODY WHO WAS UNTETHERED FROM THE TRUTH. HE DOUBLED DOWN ON THE FACT THAT JANUARY 6th REALLY WASN'T A BIG DEAL. HE DOUBLED DOWN ON THE FACT HE THOUGHT THE SOCIAL PATRIOTS. HE DOUBLED DOWN ON THE FACT HE WAS AN ELECTION DENIER THESE DEBATES HAVE A WAY OF COURSING OVER TIME. BUT BEFORE TOMORROW MORNING, YOU WERE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING DONALD TRUMP SAID TONIGHT WAS A FABRICATED LIE. >> WOULD THAT BE THE CONVERSATION OR WOULD THE CONVERSATION BE ABOUT THE PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE? >> I THINK BECAUSE OF THE WAY PEOPLE ANALYZE THE DATES IT WILL BE A FIRST ABOUT THE PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE. I THINK THE TAKE AWAY FROM THIS WAS THAT JOE BIDEN WAS RIGHT ON THE SUBSTANCE. PEOPLE RESPECT US MORE. THE ECONOMY IS BETTER. DONALD TRUMP WAS LITERALLY, TO EVERY ELECTION ASKED OF HIM, HE DID NOT ASK THE TRUTH.AW THAT IN REAL TIME TONIGHT. WHAT YOU ALSO DID SEE WAS PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT BIDEN FIGHTING FOR WHAT HE BELIEVES IN? >>> THE CORE ISSUE FOR VOTER I TONIGHT THE INDIVIDUAL YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE ASSESS BASED ON WHAT THEY SAW TONIGHT, THAT THIS IS THE PRESIDENT S . >> I HAVE SEEN HIM RECENTLY. I THINK HE IS FINE. AS THE NIGHT WENT ON, I THINK HE REALLY ROSE TO THE OCCASIONS TRUMP AND THE MISTRUTHS THAT HE TOLD AND HE TRIED TO LAY HIS PLAN$Uá FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> MITCH LANDRIEU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR >> WE WANT TO TURN TO TOM LLAMAS. >> THEY ARE ALL ABOUT STRATEGIES. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY IN THE SPIN ROOM IS A LITTLE ODD RIGHT NOW. ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR ANY DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST TO COME OUT. THEY HAVE CHOSEN A DIFFERENT SPACE FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND. IF I TURN THE CAMERA AROUND THE SPIN ROOM, WE SEE SENATOR RUBIO ENTER THE ROOM AS WELL. THE TRUMP TEAM IS OUT HERE ON THE OFFENSE. THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A BAD DEBATE. TRUMP, THE CANDIDATE THEY ARE SUPPORTING HAD A GOOD DEBATE. AND THAT IT IS CLEAR. PEOPLE SAW THE PERFORMANCE FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN. THE CHOICE IS CLEAR. I'M SURE IN THE MOMENTS TO COME, PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE OUT, SOMEBODY FROM HIS TEAM WILL COME OUT HERE AND DEFEND THE PRESIDENT'S PERFORMANCE. BUT RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, LISTEN, ALL THESE REPORTERS ARE WAITING FOR ANYONE TO COME OUT RIGHT NOW. AS FAR AS STRATEGY GOES, AS FAR AS WHERE THE REPORTERS ARE, THIS IS WHERE EVERYBODY IS RIGHT NOW. ALL THE REPORTERS. THE SURROUNDING TRUMP SURROGATES. TIM SCOTT, VIVEK RAMASWAMY. SENATOR MARCO RUBIO. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET SENATOR RUBIO. WE WILL SEND IT BACK TO YOU GUYS. >> GOVERNOR BURGHAM, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. >> LESTER, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. >> WE HEARD FROM THE SURROGATE FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP FLOODED THE ZONE WITH UNTRUTHS, HALF TRUTHS, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT? >> MY REACTION IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A VERY STRONG PERFORMANCE. I THINK AMERICA SAW, THEY SAW THE CHALLENGES THAT JOE BIDEN HAD, DELIVERING A MESSAGE. AND HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON INFLATION. HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE BORDER AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT AMERICANS, THE AMERICANS I TALKED TO, REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS, DEMOCRATS, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS AFFECTING THEM THE MOST. THE BORDER IS NOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION, IT'S ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. IT IS CLEAR THAT JOE BIDEN HAS A 50 YEAR PHILOSOPHY, ANTIBUSINESS. RIGHT NOW, AMERICAN ECONOMY BURIED IN REGULATION. HE WANTS TO RAISE TAXES. IN EVERY SOLUTION IS HIGHER TAXES. AND, MORE SPENDING. THERE IS NO VISION. BIG WIN FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> THE FACT THERE WAS NO AUDIENCE, DO YOU THINK THAT IN THE END HELPED THE FORMER PRESIDENT? >> I THINK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOWED WHAT HE SHOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE. HE IS CALM, HE IS STRONG. HE IS CONFIDENT. THIS IS NOT THE GUY THAT WAS RUNNING IN 2016. HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT. HE HAS DONE IT BEFORE. HE HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF BY A GREAT CAMPAIGN TEAM. AND I THINK HE IS VERY CONFIDENT ABOUT HOW HE IS GOING FORWARD. I THINK THAT SHOWED IN HIS PERFORMANCE TONIGHT. >> A LOT OF FOLKS, THEY ARE NOT POLITICAL JUNKIES LIKE YOU AND I MAY BE. AND THEY ARE TUNING IN NOW. ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THEY REMEMBER IS JANUARY 6th, THE PRESIDENT LEAVING THE ELECTION. HERE HE WAS AGAIN TONIGHT. ASKED POINT-BLANK, IF YOU LOSE THE ELECTION, HE DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY.AY, OF COE WHAT ARE THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION? >> YOU THINK YOU HEARD HIM SAY AT THE END, EVERYBODY THOUGHT WE HAD SECURE ELECTIONS BUT WE KNOW IN OUR COUNTRY, BEING A DEMOCRACY. THAT IS JUST A RED HERRING. HE HAD THE ADVANTAGES OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND OUR COURT. EVERY OTHER INSTITUTION WHICH FOUND THAT IT WAS A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION. HE IS STILL ON ABOUT THAT. AND HE WON'T SAY THAT HE WILL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION. I JUST DON'T GET THAT. >> WELL, I THINK FOR ANY OF US THAT WERE AROUND, I WAS ALSO PART OF THAT 2020 ELECTION. WE HAD A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION IN NORTH DAKOTA. WE GOT ELECTION SECURITY THERE. BUT WE HAD SO MANY RULE CHANGES IN 2020 WITH COVID. RECORD NUMBER OF MAIL OUT, NOT MAIL IN BALLOTS. THE FLOODING ZONE WITH ALL THE BALLOTS TO NONUPDATED VOTER FILES. IN TECH AND BUSINESS PROCESSES, AND WHEN YOU GOT UNMONITORED DOCUMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE PATH OF THAT DOCUMENT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT HAS BEEN, THAT WOULD NEVER PASS ANY KIND OF AUDIT FROM THE PUBLIC COMPANY. SO I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. AND WITH AMERICA, WHETHER IT IS THE 2000 ELECTION, CHALLENGED IN COUNTY. THE 16 ELECTION WHICH PEOPLE CLAIMED, THERE IS RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE, THE 2020 ELECTION, THREE OF OUR LAST FIVE ELECTIONS, EITHER THE DIFFERENT PARTIES SAY THERE IS CONCERN. >> WE CAN'T LET YOU GET OUT OF HERE WITHOUT ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT THE VP SELECTION PROCESS. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? >> SURE YOU CAN. >> HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO DO VP? YOU ARE THERE, MARCO RUBIO IS THERE. JD VANCE IS THERE. HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO BE VP? >> THERE IS SO MUCH TALENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HERE TONIGHT. AND I THINK THE REAL VEEP QUESTION HAS TO BE ON THE DEMOCRATS' SIDE. I'M SURE THAT IS THE QUESTION. >> DID WE EXPECT TO KNOW WHO HIS VICE PRESIDENT PICK IS THIS WEEK? >> TONIGHT IS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S BIG VICTORY. HE WILL MAKE THAT DECISION. HE WILL MAKE A GOOD ONE. HE WILL MAKE IT AT THE TIME OF HIS CHOOSING. >> HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED? >> THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO KNOWS THE NEXT VP. AND THAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> I THINK THAT'S A NO. HE HASN'T BEEN ASKED. GOVERNOR, THANK YOU. >> GADI SCHWARTZ HAS BEEN WATCHING THE DEBATE WITH VOTERS KNOWN AS DOUBLE HATERS IN PHOENIX. THOSE ARE VOTERS WHO DON'T LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? >> AS THAT DEBATE WENT ON, DOUBLE HATE IS PROBABLY NOT THE WORD THAT THIS PANEL WOULD USE TO DESCRIBE THEIR FEELINGS ON ONE OR POSSIBLY BOTH CANDIDATES, WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? >> DOUBLE FRUSTRATED. >> DOUBLE FRUSTRATED. HOW ABOUT YOU? >> DOUBLE CRINGE. >> DOUBLE CRINGE. I WAS WATCHING YOU AS YOU WERE WATCHING THIS DEBATE. I SAW A LOT OF CRINGING. I SAW A LOT OF ANGER AT SOMETIMES. IF THERE WAS ONE MOMENT THAT STUCK OUT TO YOU, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> IT WAS THE GOLFING. WHAT DID THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE QUESTION THE MODERATOR ASKED THEY JUST KEPT GOING BACK AND FORTH. AND I WAS LIKE IS THIS REAL? >> WHAT ABOUT YOU? WHAT STUCK OUT TO YOU? >> WELL, FIRST, IF I COULD FINISH. WE ARE NOT IN ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S MANY PROPERTIES. WE ARE SUFFERING FROM CLIMATE CHANGE. I FELT LIKE THEY WERE IN FIRST GRADE, SECOND GRADE. NOTHING IS DONALD TRUMP'S FAULT. IT IS ALL THE DEMOCRATIC JUDGES THAT BIDEN PUT INTO OFFICE. NOTHING IS JOE BIDEN'S FAULT EITHER. IT IS ALL I HAD TO CLEAN UP YOUR MESS, SO FIGURE IT OUT, BOYS. THEY ARE BOTH WRONG. >> AND WHEN IT COMES TO IT, I SAW YOU CRINGING A FEW TIMES DURING BIDEN'S SPEAKING. GET OUT A COHERENT THOUGHT. THEN HE GETS SIDE TRACKED AND HE CAN'T IT IS REALLY CHALLENGING TO WATCH HIM. >> THIS IS ONE OF THE DEBATE WATCH PARTIES WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OFF. VERY INSIGHTFUL COMING FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA. THANKS, WE HAVE MUCH MORE COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE RIGHT AFTER THIS. >>> ERE. >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST DEMOCRATIC PARTY TONIGHT BASED ON YOUR SOURCES. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. THE SOURCES HAVE REACHED OUT TO SAY EXACTLY THAT, THAT E THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THE ABOWISDOMAT HAPPENS NEXT, WISDOM OF HOLDING THIS DEBATE EARLY. WITH THE SHAKEUP OF THIS DEBATE GOING FORWARD. PRESIDENT BIDEN TRAILING WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR. NATIONALLY AND ALSO IN KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES. KEY BATTLEGROUNDS WANT PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO TURN THIS RACE AROUND. HERE THEY ARE NOW.S GOING INTO THE CONVENTION.AINS UNKNO >> THAT LEADS TO THE QUESTION, WILL THIS MOMENT BE FROZEN IN TIME. PART OF THE YEAR WHERE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION IS GETTING DIVIDED. >> IT COULD BE FROZEN IN TIME. A LAWMAKER SAID THIS IS EFFECTIVELY OVER. SOME QUESTIONING WHAT HAPPENS MOVING FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. TO THE LAWMAKER SAYING THIS IS COMING TO SOME COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. WE HAVE TOM LLAMAS CONTINUING COVERAGE ON NBC NEWS NOW. >> LESTER WILL BE THERE FOR NIGHTLY NEWS. THANKS FOR WATCHING. GOOD NIGHT. >>> THIS IS NBC NEWS SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE , A HISTORIC FACE-OFF. >> THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO IS A CONVICTED FELON IS RIGHT HERE. >> HIS SON IS A CONVICTED FELON. >> THE WHOLE WORLD IS >> PRESIDENT BIDEN MAKING HIS CASE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WINNING TWO FIGHTING TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN IN THE BIGGEST EVENT YET OF THE 2024 ELECTION. >> HE CAUSED INFLATION. I GAVE HIM A COUNTRY WITH ESSENTIALLY NO INFLATION. >> THERE WAS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT. >> IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE NOT EVEN A CHANCE OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT. >> WE ARE THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY. >> REPORTING TONIGHT FROM THE SPIN ROOM AT THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN ATLANTA, HERE IS TOM LLAMAS. >> AND GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR STAYING UP WITH US AFTER THAT FIERY FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE ARE IN THE SPIN ROOM RIGHT NOW, LIVE, IN ATLANTA, POSTDEBATE, SURROUNDED BY SUPPORTERS AND INSIDERS FROM BOTH CAMPAIGNS. SOMETHING INTERESTING HAS HAPPENED. OVER THE LAST 30 MINUTES, THE BIDEN-HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS COME OUT TO THE SPIN ROOM, FINALLY ANSWERING QUESTIONS, IT TOOK THE WHILE. USUALLY IN THESE SITUATIONS AFTER THE DEBATE THE AMPAIGN TEAM COMES OUT ND THEY HAVE A UNIFIED MESSAGE. WHAT WE SAW AFTER THIS DEBATE WAS TEAM TRUMP HAD SURROGATES ALL OVER THE PLACE ESSENTIALLY ATTACKING PRESIDENT BIDEN, ATTACKING HIS MENTAL FITNESS, ATTACKING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HE SAID DURING THE DEBATE, AND IT TOOK ABOUT 30 HITS FOR THE BIDEN-HARRIS TEAM TO COME OUT. WE HAVE OTHER BIDEN-HARRIS SPOKESPEOPLE. GOING BACK TO WHAT WE SAW HIM AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BATTLED IT OUT THERE ON THE DEBATE FLOOR, FOR THIS ELECTION CYCLE, OVER THOSE 90 MINUTES, THE TWO CANDIDATES WERE TRADING BLOWS OVER EACH OF THE POLICIES AND PERSONALITIES, BOTH ACCUSING THE OTHER OF BEING THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY AND TAKING THE U.S. ECONOMY AND BLAMING EACH OTHER FOR THAT. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP REPEATEDLY SLAMMING PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR WHAT HE CALLED A CRISIS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. HE ALSO CRITICIZED BIDEN'S HANDLING OF THE WAR OF GAZA AND UKRAINE, BUT ONE OF THE WORST MOMENTS FOR BIDEN, WHEN HE LAST LOST TRACK ABOUT WHAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT MEDICARE. MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE THAT WE MAKE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON ELIGIBLE, AND I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT, WITH COVERAGE, EXCUSE ME, WITH DEALING WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH -- LOOK. FINALLY BEAT MEDICARE. >> TRUMP QUESTIONING BIDEN'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS. >> CONTINUING UNTIL WE GET A TOTAL INITIATIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH MORE BORDER PATROL. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE. >> NOW, TWO SOURCES TELL NBC NEWS PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A COLD, YOU COULD CLEARLY HEAR THAT WHEN HE STARTED. BIDEN DID GET HIS OWN DAGGERS AND INCLUDING TRUMP'S CRIMINAL CONVICTION. >> HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE POINT FOR MOLESTING A WOMAN IN PUBLIC, FOR DOING A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, FOR HAVING SEX WITH A PORN STAR, WHILE YOUR WIFE WAS PREGNANT. >> I DIDN'T HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR. >> WE UNDERSTAND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS GONE TO A WATCH PARTY POSTDEBATE, IN ATLANTA. >> LET'S KEEP GOING. SEE YOU AT THE NEXT ONE. GOD LOVE YOU ALL. AND TO NORTH CAROLINA. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO HOME WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WERE LISTENING TO PRESIDENT BIDEN RIGHT THERE AT HIS POST DEBATE WATCH PARTY. I WANT TO GET TO OUR CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST, NBC' S CHUCK TODD. I WOULD LIKE YOUR ANALYSIS AND WHAT THIS MEANS. >> LOOK, WE BEGAN THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE THE DEBATE. WOULD EITHER CANDIDATE LOOK LIKE THE CARICATURE THAT THE OTHER CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN TRYING TO PAINT OF THEM? AT THE END OF THE DAY, JOE BIDEN LOOKS LIKE THE CARICATURE THAT CONSERVATIVE MEDIA HAS BEEN PAINTING, AND THERE WERE NO CLIPS TONIGHT. YOU SAW IT BEFORE YOUR EYES. LOOK, I DON'T WANT TO JUST TELL YOU WHAT I THINK HERE, TOM. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF LEADERS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, ELECTIVES, COALITION LEADERS, THERE IS A FULL-ON PANIC ABOUT THIS PERFORMANCE. NOT LIKE THIS IS RECOVERABLE, IT'S MORE LIKE OKAY, HE HAS TO STEP ASIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT CHATTER. THIS IS ABOUT AS BAD OF A PERFORMANCE THAT BIDEN COULD HAVE DELIVERED IF HIS GOAL WAS TO TRY TO SORT OF CALM THE WATERS AMONG DEMOCRATS, AND THERE WAS A POLL OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT SHOWS A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, NOT JUST ELECTED DEMOCRATS, RANK AND FILE DEMOCRATS SUPPORT OF OF BIDEN WHO THINK HE SHOULD NOT SEEK A SECOND TERM. I THINK WE WILL SEE MORE POLLING ON THIS AND SEE THAT NUMBER EVEN HIGHER, BUT THE PANIC LEVELS PARTICULARLY AMONG ELECTED DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE TO SHARE THE BALLOT WITH HIM, THERE IS A FULL ON PANIC TONIGHT. MAYBE THEY WILL CALM DOWN IN THE MORNING. BUT, THERE IS, LOOK, THERE IS A LOT OF CHATTER AMONG DONORS TONIGHT, A LOT OF CHATTER AMONG MAJOR ELECTED LEADERS TONIGHT. AGAIN, IF THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN-- THEY HAVE A LOT OF COMBING CALLS THEY WILL HAVE TO START MAKING, OR THEY MAY SEE THIS GET MOMENTUM, PUBLICLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN STOP THAT. >> OKAY, WELL, CHUCK I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. IF YOU OPEN ANY NEWS WEBSITE, THE HEADLINES ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PARTY AND ARE CONFUSED, BECAUSE YOU HEAR YOUR PARTY LEADERS CONCERNED AS WELL WALK THROUGH WHAT COULD HAPPEN OR COULD NOT HAPPEN. IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR DEMOCRATS CAN GET TOGETHER? IS THERE ENOUGH TIME TO FIND A BUDDY ELSE IF HE'S NOT THEIR GUY? >> THIS WAS THE INTERESTING TIMING OF THIS DEBATE THAT THIS WAS INTRIGUING, THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN DEBATE BEFORE YOU PASS THE LAST EXIT FOR GAS, BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION. IF JOE BIDEN DOES NOT WANT TO SEEK THIS NOMINATION HE COULD RELEASE HIS DELEGATES, AND IT BASICALLY BECOMES AN OPEN CONVENTION, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A REAL OPEN CONVENTION REALLY SINCE 1952. SO THAT BECOMES A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE GOVERNORS, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE HOME STATE GOVERNOR IN ILLINOIS, THE HOST OF THE CONVENTION, WANTING TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF AN ILLINOIS GOVERNOR OF 1952, WHO WAS ABLE TO GATHER THAT NOMINATION WHEN THE CONVENTION DECIDED TO HAND IT TO HIM. JOE BIDEN WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO DO THIS. AND YOU DON'T WALK AWAY FROM THESE THINGS. THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT. YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT OF THE FIGHT TONIGHT. THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY LOOK HE WAS THROWN OFF AT THE BEGINNING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE THROWN OFF THAT YOU ARE SUPER PRIZED INFLATION IS THE FIRST QUESTION, BUT THAT'S THEIR EXCUSE. >> CHUCK, LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU-- >> DON'T BUY IT, AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS, TOM. >> YEAH. >> THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC DEMOCRATS TO BE WATCHING FOR TO SEE IF THEY SAY ANYTHING. THERE ARE TWO DEMOCRATS IF THEY WENT PUBLIC WITH IT I DON'T KNOW IF JOE BIDEN COULD STOP THE FREIGHT TRAIN. ONE WOULD BE NANCY PELOSI, THE OTHER WOULD BE BARACK OBAMA. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW IN THIS PROCESS IN THIS PARTY AND WHERE THIS COULD END UP GOING. >> WELL CHUCK, IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE THE TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN SOME OF HIS BIGGEST SUPPORTERS TO DATE. AND HIS STRONGEST VOICES TO DATE. YOU SAID THERE WAS POLITICAL MALPRACTICE BY HIS STAFF TO ANNOUNCE MIDWAY THAT HE HAD A COLD AND NOT LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT EARLY ON SO THEY COULD HAVE LOWERED THE BAR SO PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN READY. WHAT WE SAW OF JOE BIDEN IN THE BEGINNING, AND IT COULD BE NOT SURE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN. >> PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES. DO YOU SAY IT IN ADVANCE AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO LOWER THE BAR? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD LOOK. FEEDBACK I GOT FROM ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO SAID AT HIS PERFORMANCE AFTER FIVE DAYS AT CAMP DAVID? THAT'S AFTER REST? I DO THINK FRANKLY THE CAMPAIGN HAD TO COME OUT WITH SOME EXPLANATION, BECAUSE I GUESS THE COLD IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO HANG THEIR HAT ON ON THIS. >> CHUCK, THANK YOU FOR THAT ANALYSIS. STEVE KORNACKI, YOU RUN THE NUMBERS FOR US AND HAVE GREAT POLITICAL INSIGHT. WHERE COULD A PERFORMANCE LIKE THIS FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN HURT HIM THE MOST? WHICH VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIS AGE? >> LOOK AT IT THIS WAY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS. A POLL CAME IN 24 HOURS BEFORE THIS DEBATE FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES AND CNN. WHEN IT CAME TO AGE, WITH EACH CANDIDATE IS AGE SUCH AN ISSUE IN YOUR VIEW THAT THE CANDIDATE IS INCAPABLE OF HANDLING THE JOB OF BEING PRESIDENT? 45% OF VOTERS IN THAT POLL SAID BIDEN'S AGE BEFORE THE DEBATE WAS SO MUCH THAT HE COULD NOT HANDLE THE PRESIDENCY. SO A 3-1 MARGIN, THAT'S WHAT THE CONCERN LEVEL WAS WHEN IT CAME TO JOE BIDEN, HIS AGE, AND THE PRESIDENCY. IT COULD TAKE A FEW DAYS, MAYBE A WEEK TO GET SOME POLL NUMBER , BUT WILL THAT INCREASE? ONE OF THE FEATURES OF THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN THAT BIDEN AND TRUMP ARE ONLY FOUR YEARS APART IN AGE, AND THERE IS A TREMENDOUS GAP CONCERNING THEIR AGE. BIDEN WANTED TO RELAX THOSE FEARS, BUT WITH A POOR PERFORMANCE, WOULD THAT BE EXACERBATED? WITH THIS DISCUSSION THAT'S NOW SUDDENLY TAKEN PLACE IN PUBLIC ON THE AIRWAVES ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT BIDEN AND ARE WE SURE HE'S GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE OR WITH THE PARTY TURN TO SOMEONE ELSE? WOULD HE AGREE? I THINK AGAIN, LET'S SEE IN A WEEK WITH THE POLLING SHOWS, BECAUSE THE REACTION RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING WE ARE HEARING, DOES THE POLLING MATCH THAT? >> STEVE KORNACKI FOR US. I WANT TO GET TO THE MODERATOR OF MEET THE PRESS, KRISTEN WELKER. YOU KIND OF PUT IT IN A WAY COMING OUT OF THIS DEBATE OF HOW YOU COULD CHARACTERIZE WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE DEBATE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HEADLINES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND CONCERN AMONG DEMOCRATS. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR SOURCES? IS THIS SOMETHING PRESIDENT BIDEN CANNOT BOUNCE BACK FROM? IS THERE TIME BEFORE ELECTION DAY? >> THERE CERTAINLY IS TIME FOR ELECTION DAY, THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT I THINK WHAT CHUCK SAID IT'S THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THERE IS WIDESPREAD PANIC AMONG DEMOCRATS. I GOT A NUMBER OF TEXT MESSAGES THIS EVENING, DEMOCRATS REACHING OUT TO SAY THIS IS DIFFICULT TO WATCH. WHERE DOES THIS GO FROM HERE? ONE DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER, TOM, GOING SO FAR AS TO SAY THIS RACE IS EFFECTIVELY OVER. ON THAT QUESTION, THE BUZZ THAT HAS STARTED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE AN OPEN CONVENTION, LAWMAKERS ARE SAYING LOOK AT THE BELIEF IS DEMOCRATS WILL BE LOYAL SOLDIERS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BACK BIDEN AS LONG AS HE IS IN THIS RACE, BUT THAT REALLY CAPTURES, TOM, THE LEVEL OF PANIC THINK YOU ARE SEEING INSIDE DEMOCRATIC CIRCLES. JUST TO STRESS THE PRESIDENT GOT OFF TO A SLOW TO A HALTING START, HE SEEMED TO LOSE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT AT VARIOUS MOMENTS, HE SEEMED TO GIVE TRUMP OPENINGS WHEN THERE WASN'T, FROM ABORTION, PIVOTING TO IMMIGRATION, WHICH ALLOWED TRUMP TO GET IN THERE AND LEVEL A NUMBER OF ATTACKS, MANY UNSUBSTANTIATED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT, I WAS TALKING WITH ONE DEMOCRAT WHO SAID WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS SPEAKING FROM HIS HEART THAT'S WHEN YOU SAW THE MOST FIRE AND FURY. THAT'S WHEN HE WAS ON THE STEADY GROUND. BUT WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO RECALL FACTS AND FIGURES AND GIVE LISTS OF FACTS, THAT'S WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS STRUGGLING THE MOST. SO DEMOCRATS ARE WATCHING THIS AS IT WENT ON THOUGHT HE PICKED UP STEAM WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT VETERANS, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY. BUT WE ALSO SAW TRUMP BARREL FORWARD, UNLEASHING MISTRUTHS THROUGH THE FORMAT OF THIS DEBATE COMES IN, THE FACT THE MICROPHONES WERE MUTED MEANT PRESIDENT BIDEN COULD NOT JUMP IN AND FACT CHECK IN REAL-TIME. HE HAD TO WAIT FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND TRY TO GET IN THERE AND FACT CHECK. THAT'S A TOUGH THING TO DO. AND IN THIS CASE IT SEEMS TO HAVE BACKFIRED AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN. HOW WILL DEMOCRATS FEEL TOMORROW? HOW WILL THEY FEEL IN THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS? NEXT STOP IS THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION, STOVE WE STILL HAVE A FEW WEEKS BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION. A LOT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. >> KRISTEN WELKER, THANK YOU. HOW DO DEMOCRATS FEEL ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE? SENATOR TIM SCOTT FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, SENATOR SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. YOU HAVE BEEN PART OF A LOT OF DEBATES. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT? >> DONALD TRUMP JUST CLEANED THE NIGHT UP. HE WAS POWERFUL, UNDENIABLE. IT WAS TOUGH TO WATCH AT TIMES, BECAUSE JOE BIDEN FROZE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS ANSWERS, AND THAT HAS TO BE SENDING SHOCKWAVES THROUGHOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. WE SAW DONALD TRUMP TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES WE CARE ABOUT, THE ECONOMY, AND THE BORDER, ANDY ECONOMY, THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO FRANKLY, FOUR YEARS OF TRUMP VERSUS BIDEN COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR OF AN ISSUE. >> I HAVE TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT. AS POWERFUL OF A PERFORMANCE FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, OR JUST A REALLY BAD NIGHT FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> I THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP STAYED ON THE TOPICS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT. THEY CARE ABOUT THE BORDER AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT THAT IS OUR BORDER AND POCKETBOOK ISSUES. ON THOSE ISSUES THERE'S NO QUESTION DONALD TRUMP WAS DOMINANT. JOE BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT, REALLY BAD NIGHT. YOU KNOW IT'S A BAD NIGHT WHEN YOUR CAMP STARTS PUTTING OUT HE HAS A COLD BEFORE THE DEBATE IS EVEN OVER TRYING TO LOWER EXPECTATIONS. HE WAS AT CAMP DAVID FOR A WEEK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A STRONG PERFORMANCE. THAT WAS A TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE. >> IT GOT SILLY WHEN THEY WERE COMPARING GOLF SCORES AND GOLF SWINGS. DID THAT HELP ANYBODY? >> LISTEN, I THINK WE SAW AN ABSOLUTELY STRONG DEBATE PERFORMANCE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW WE WE SOLVE THE PROBLEMS RAVAGING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, INFLATION MAKING SO MANY THINGS UNAFFORDABLE. BOTH CANDIDATES STAY ON THE ISSUES, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET TO SAY THIS PRESIDENT OR THAT ONE? DONALD TRUMP FRANKLY, I'VE BEEN HEARING IT ALL NIGHT, WHETHER REPUBLICAN OR INDEPENDENT, YOU JUST KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG ON THE DEBATE STAGE WITH JOE BIDEN'S PERFORMANCE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE BOLD CLAIMS LIKE HE COULD END THE WAR BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE AND GET EVAN GERSHKOVICH BACK. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU >> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS IT'S VERY INTERESTING HOW DO WE STOP 70,000 AMERICANS FROM LOSING THEIR LIVES TO FENTANYL? EVERY SINGLE COUNTY IN AMERICA IS A BORDER COUNTY? WE DESERVE BETTER, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET BETTER IS FIRE JOE BIDEN AND HIRE DONALD TRUMP. >> HE USED THE PHRASE IMMIGRANTS ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY AND ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS AND HISPANIC JOBS. WHAT DID HE MEAN, BLACK JOBS, AND HISPANIC JOBS? DOES HE MEAN LOW-WAGE JOBS? WHY NOT JUST SAY LOW-WAGE JOBS? WHY PUT ETHNICITY TO IT? >> I THOUGHT THE THING THAT WAS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL ON THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION WAS WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THAT WE SEE OUR ETERANS HOMELESS ON THE STREET, AND YOU CAN CONTRAST THAT AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS, THAT'S THE KIND OF MOMENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE AND SAY I WANT A GUY WANTS TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. >> WHEN HE SAYS LACK JOBS AND HISPANIC JOBS IS THAT A THING? >> I DON'T THINK SO. I CAN TELL YOU WHETHER YOU ARE BLACK OR WHITE OR HISPANIC OR NATIVE AMERICAN, WHAT YOU WANT ARE MORE JOBS, YOU WANT WAGES GOING UP, AND WHAT WE SAW UNDER DONALD TRUMP WAS WAGE EARNERS SAW WAGES GO UP FASTER THAT TRANSLATES INTO MORE SPENDING POWER. UNDER JOE BIDEN WE'VE SEEN THE EXACT OPPOSITE. $28,000 OF LOST SPENDING POWER OVER THE LAST THREE AND HALF YEARS. SO YOU COULD TALK ABOUT LACK JOBS IN WHITE JOBS, I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS DONALD TRUMP DIVIDED MORE AMERICAN JOBS. >> IS DONALD TRUMP'S RUNNING MATE GOING TO BE YOU? >> I DON'T CARE WHO HE CHOOSES. I WANT THE NATION TO COME TOGETHER FOR UNITED AMERICA. >> HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR ANSWER ON THAT? SOUNDED LIKE HE REALLY WANTED IT BEFORE. HAVE YOU SORT OF-- YOU STILL WANT IT? >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS ANYBODY WOULD BE HONORED TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, A COUNTRY WHERE MY STORY AS POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, IT'S ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WHAT THAT PERSON WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH FOR EVERYDAY OR AMERICANS. >> SENATOR TIM SCOTT, THANK YOU. >>> WE WILL HEAR FROM VOTERS ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT ON THE DEBATE AND THEIR OPINIONS. NEXT. ♪ >>> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. >> THE FRONT LINES ARE STILL VERY ACTIVE. THIS IS LIKE QUICKSAND. AND OFFICIALS SAY AN ENTIRE TOWN IS CUT OFF. >> THIS SHOULD HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE HAD TO JUMP IN THE OCEAN. >> NEWS FOR THE ENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> NEWS LIVES IN THE NOW. >> LOOK AT THIS, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. >> LET'S BREAK THAN WHAT WE KNOW. >> YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THIS. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> HE CAUSES INFLATION. I GAVE HIM A COUNTRY WITH NO, ESSENTIALLY NO INFLATION. >> THERE WAS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT, THE ECONOMY WAS FLAT ON ITS BACK. >> WELCOME BACK. AS WE RECAP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE BEST MINDS IN POLITICS, WITH SURROGATES, HAVE TO SAY, BUT THE ONLY VOICE THAT REALLY MATTERS IS THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS. SHAQUILLE BREW GET SHAQUILLE BREWSTER. WHAT ARE THEY SAYING AFTER THIS DEBATE? >> THERE IS A LOT OF SURPRISE IN WHAT FOLKS THOUGHT. WE CAME TO PHILADELPHIA. THIS IS A PLACE YOU'VE SEEN BOTH CANDIDATES COME TO JUST IN THE PAST MONTH, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING BLACK VOTERS, WHICH CAME UP IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS. LET'S INTRODUCE THE GROUP OF VOTERS BEHIND ME. LET'S START WITH RAISE YOUR HAND FOR ME IF YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN IN 2020, KEEP OUR HAND UP IF YOU ARE STILL WITH HIM THIS TIME AROUND AFTER THAT DEBATE. SLOWLY GOING DOWN. YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNDECIDED. DID ANYTHING SHIFT FOR YOU AFTER THAT DEBATE? >> NOT REALLY, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS DEMOCRATS. >> BECAUSE OF THE PARTY. IS IT A POLICY CONVERSATION? HE SAID THE ECONOMY WAS HER BIGGEST ISSUE. DID YOU LIKE HOW HE RESPONDED ON THE ISSUE? >> I'M HOPEFUL FOR IT. I HOPE HE MAKES THE CHANGES NECESSARY TO BOOST THE ECONOMY. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE POSITION AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PRESIDENT. HOW DID YOU THINK HE PERFORMED ON STAGE TONIGHT? >> WHY DID YOU GIVE HIM THAT GRACE? >> OR I CAN GO WITH THAT. IT'S MORE OF JUST LISTEN TO HIM AND TRY TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. >> YOU SAID YOU WOULD HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE FOR BIDEN. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING OF? >> I AM STILL THINKING THE SAME THING. I AM STILL THINKING THAT AS AMERICANS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES, AND SO WE HALF TO GO WITH THE CHOICE, AND I'VE DECIDED TO GO WITH A CHOICE THAT WILL BE LESS DETRIMENTAL TO MY COMMUNITY. >> AFTER THAT DEBATE YOU SEE BIDEN AS THE BEST? >> YES, SO I WILL BE VOTING FOR BIDEN. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK HERE? YOU SAID BIDEN HAS NOT EARNED YOU ARE VOTE BUT YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT TRUMP YOU MENTIONED HAMAS AND OTHER ISSUES. WHERE IS YOUR MIND THAT NOW? >> WITH THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS-- SO-- I WAS NOT SWAYED, I DON'T THINK. CERTAINLY NOT ON THE ISSUE OF BIDEN'S SUPPORT, UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL. HE SAID NOTHING TO SWAY ME ON THAT ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME THINGS HE SAID THAT I DID LIKE, HE DID TALK ABOUT RAISING THE CAP ON SOCIAL SECURITY TO MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. HE TALKED ABOUT RAISING TAXES ON BILLIONAIRES AS OPPOSED TO TRUMP WHO WANTS ANOTHER $5 TRILLION TAX CUT FOR BILLIONAIRES, SO THAT'S A BIG ISSUE, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. >> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THAT IS THE FIRST REACTION, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING, A LOT OF TOPICS COVERED IN THAT DEBATE, AND WE WILL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> SHAQ , THANK YOU. WE ALWAYS LEARN SO MUCH FROM THOSE VOTERS. HALLIE JACKSON JOINS US NOW. IT'S A TOUGH NIGHT FOR DEMOCRATS. >> I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR HOW HE THINKS PRESIDENT BIDEN DID. HE SAID LISTEN, AND I'VE HEARD THIS FROM SEVERAL AIDES, THAT IT IS SUBSTANCE OVER STYLE, THEY THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A GOOD SHOWING IN THEIR VIEW ON THE MERITS, EVEN IF STYLISTICALLY MULTIPLE SAID HE HAD A COLD, THAT THAT WAS A FACTOR. I ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THIS IDEA OF DEMOCRATIC PANIC. HE SAID DO MORE, WORRY LESS, THAT'S HIS MESSAGE TO DEMOCRATS. TO MAKE THE CASE MORE STRONGLY AND MORE EFFECTIVE THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD BE THE ONE TO LEAD THE WHITE HOUSE, PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN FOLKS CLOSE TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HERE >> YOU HAVE A SENSE FOR THIS COMMUTE INTERVIEW SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE IDEA, DID YOU FEEL YOU ARE GETTING SPUN BY GAVIN NEWSOM, OR WAS HE TELLING YOU THE FULL TRUTH OF THE WAY HE FEELS? >> HAVE YOU EVER HAD A POLITICIAN TELL YOU THE FULL TRUTH? >> I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ HIS MIND. PRETTY MUCH EVERY INTERVIEW, HE'S THE GOVERNOR OF THE BIGGEST STATE IN THE UNION. DID YOU GET A SENSE HE BELIEVED WHAT HE WAS TELLING YOU? >> TONGUE-IN-CHEEK EMPHASIS ON THAT FRONT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN HIS MIND. THERE WAS A PERIOD MAYBE LAST YEAR WHERE THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE GAVIN NEWSOM-- >> YEAH. YEAH. >> TAKING ON THE VICE PRESIDENT, ETC. I THINK THE FACT HE'S HERE TONIGHT IS A SIGNAL, AND THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS GLAD TO SEE THAT. I WOULD NOT EXPECT HIM TO COME OUT AND SAY-- I MEAN IT WOULD BE TRULY SHOCKING BREAKING NEWS IF GAVIN NEWSOM CAME ON THE AIR AND SAID YES I THINK RESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD BE REPLACED ON THE TICKET. I THINK THAT'S OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. YOU ARE HEARING THAT ANONYMOUSLY FROM SOME DEMOCRAT , INCLUDING A LAWMAKER WHO WORKS WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> LOOK, WE COVER A LOT OF THESE, AND I KNOW MAYBE IT IS MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK, BUT THE TRUMP TEAM FLOODED DUSTBIN ROOM. >> ALL OF THEM. SENIOR ADVISERS-- >> AND WITH THE BIDEN TEAM WE HAVE SENATOR WARNOCK, GOVERNOR NEWSOM, THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST NAMES OUT HERE, AND THERE ARE TRUMP SURROGATES JUST WORKING THE ROOM. FROM A LOGISTICAL POLITICAL STANDPOINT IT'S A LITTLE ODD ISN'T IT? >> THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN HAS MADE SOME DECISIONS HERE LIKE THEY HAVE OTHER EVENTS AND PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SPEAKING THERE, SO THEY HAVE WORKED TO COUNTER PROGRAM THAT. >> RIGHT. >> I WILL SAY FOR THE TRUMP TEAM WAS VERY CLEAR IS THIS IS A VICTORY LAP FOR THEM. DONALD TRUMP AFTER THE DEBATE ACCORDING TO MATT GAETZ. THEY HAVE A SENSE THEY WANT TO COME OUT, AND TALKING POINTS I HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THESE ADVISERS THAT IT WAS A LOPSIDED VICTORY FOR TRUMP TO USE HYPERBOLE, THEY SAY THIS IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE VICTORY. >> THERE IS A BIGGER QUESTION OF IF IT WAS NOT A GREAT NIGHT FOR >> HE TOLD PLENTY OF LIES, AND I THINK OUR COVERAGE IS SHOWING THAT. THAT SAID, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS HAS BEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. >> IT'S ALL THE HEADLINES. >> LOOKING FOR REASSURANCE ON THAT FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN, IT'S UNSURE IF YOU GOT THAT. >> THE FIRST 30 MINUTES, IF THAT'S ALL YOU ATCHED, THAT'S DEVASTATING. >> THEY BELIEVE HE GOT STRONGER AS THE NIGHT WENT ON. >> RIGHT. EXACTLY. >> I WILL SAY I'M NOT SURE THAT TOMORROW. >> YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. I-- >> SO WHATEVER, RIGHT? SO THERE WILL BE MOMENTS. >> YEAH. >> THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT. >> HALLIE JACKSON I GOT TO RAP NOW. SENATOR JD VANCE WILL BE LIVE ON OUR SHOW RIGHT AFTER THIS. STAY WITH US. ♪ ♪ >>> THE FIRE HAS GROWN AT LEAST IN-- YOU SEE BEHIND ME ATYPICAL- - HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> PRETTY, PRETTY BAD. >>> WE ARE TALKING POSSIBLY A TRILLION GALAXIES? >> YES. >> THAT IS NUMBER THAT IS JUST SO HARD TO COMPUTE. >> WHETHER IT'S THE MOON, WHETHER IT'S MARS, IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF SOMETHING BIG. >>> ♪ >>> FOR DOING A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, OF HAVING SEX WITH A PORN STAR WHILE YOUR WIFE WAS PREGNANT. >> I DIDN'T HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR. >> ONE OF THE LOWER MOMENTS OF THAT FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE HERE IN 2024. WELCOME BACK TO OUR POSTDEBATE COVERAGE. WE ARE JOINED BY OHIO SENATOR JD VANCE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT. WE HAD YOUR COLLEAGUE ON, SENATOR TIM SCOTT. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE DEBATE? >> TWO THINGS. AN INCREDIBLE CONTRAST, FIRST, BETWEEN THE MEANDERING LOW ENERGY APPROACH OF JOE BIDEN, HIGH ENERGY APPROACH OF DONALD TRUMP, I JUST THINK IT CREATED INCREDIBLE CONTRAST BETWEEN A GUY WHO HAD A BAD DEBATE VERSUS A GUY WITH A SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENCY AND A GREAT DEBATE. TALKING IS ERY IMPORTANT. THERE ARE COMPASSION SHOWN BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES. THE BIDEN BORDER CRISIS, WHICH I THINK IS ALL ON JOE BIDEN, OF COURSE PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE WITH ME, NO REAL COMPASSION SHOWN FOR THE PEOPLE KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS. YOU HEAR TRUMP CALLING, IT WAS SUCH A DISASTER FOR BIDEN I THINK THAT MIGHT GET LOST. >> YEAH. I-- II-- I HEAR YOU, BUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO HAS A LONG HISTORY OF NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE. HE DIDN'T CARE FOR SENATOR JOHN McCAIN BEING TORTURED IN A VIETNAMESE PRISON. HE'S HAD PROBLEMS WITH GOLDSTAR FAMILIES ALL THROUGHOUT THE 2016 CAMPAIGN. SO I MEAN, HE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF ALSO NOT SHOWING COMPASSION. EXPECT ANYBODY CAN POINT TO A MOMENT AND SAY DONALD TRUMP HAS NO COMPASSION. I THINK IT REVEALED THOSE CRITICISMS ARE OFTEN MISREPRESENTATION OF WHO HE ACTUALLY IS, BECAUSE YOU SEE HIM TALKING BUT AMERICANS AFFECTED BY THE POLICIES OF JOE BIDEN. I MEAN LOOK, WHETHER YOU THINK THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY HAS BEEN A SUCCESSOR DISASTER, I THINK IT'S A DISASTER, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HURT BY THOSE POLICIES, IT'S WEIRD TO ME THAT NOT ONCE DID JOE BIDEN SAY WELL I COULD HAVE DONE BETTER, OR WELL YEAH, I SHOULDN'T HAVE LET THAT PERSON COME IN AND MURDER THESE INNOCENT KIDS. THERE WAS NO REAL SENSE OF PASSION FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN, AND I THINK THAT WILL LEAVE A MARK. >> OHIO USED TO BE A SWING STATE, MAYBE IT STILL IS, BUT FOR SWING VOTERS STILL THERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY GOT FROM THIS ELECTION, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE DOUBLE HATERS, A SWING VOTER, WHAT DO YOU GET FROM THIS DEBATE? >> THEY WERE MOMENTS OF SUBSTANCE. THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY PERSONAL JABS, BUT THERE WERE MOMENTS OF SUBSTANCE, BIDEN ACCUSED TRUMP OF HIGH INFLATION, WHEN TRUMP LEFT IT WAS 1.4%, IT SKYROCKETED ABOUT A YEAR INTO THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY. IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE OF GROCERIES OR DOUBLING THE PRICE OF MORTGAGE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY INFLATION WAS LOW DURING HIS PRESIDENCY, IT ELEVATED DURING JOE BIDEN'S PRESIDENCY. JOE BIDEN KEPT ON ACCUSING DONALD TRUMP OF BEING WITH THE RUSSIANS AND TRUMP SAID PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE ON YOUR WATCH. HE DID NOT TAKE UKRAINIAN TERRITORY-- >> YEAH, I GET IT. I >> I THINK THERE WAS MORE >> I GET IT, BUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ALSO SEEMED TO ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT DURING THE GEORGE FLOYD PROTEST. HE SEEMED TO LOSE TRACK OF THE TIMELINE OF WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, AND IT WAS CONFUSING, SO THOSE WERE THE TIMES. >> I THINK THERE WERE TWO POINTS TRUMP WAS MAKING. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC POLICIES, MAYORAL POLICIES, THE ATTACK ON POLICE HAPPENED DURING HIS ADMISSION BY DEMOCRATIC MAYORS THAT LED TO THE SPIKE IN CRIME AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD DEATH, BUT THE SECOND ONE HE IS MAKING PRETTY DIRECTLY I THINK IS LOOK, YOU GUYS WENT AFTER A LOT OF PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ELECTION IN 2020, BUT YOU LET ALL THESE PEOPLE OFF SCOTT FREE EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE BURNING DOWN AMERICAN CITIES. I THINK WHAT TRUMP IS HIGHLIGHTING WAS A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM OF JUSTICE JOE BIDEN HAS ALLOWED IN THIS COUNTRY. >> DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A SECOND DEBATE? >> I HOPE THERE WILL BE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE IT. I THINK WHETHER YOU LIKE DONALD TRUMP OR LIKE JOE BIDEN THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT CONTRAST FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SEE. I HEAR A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS IS WINNING THIS, DEMOCRATS REALIZE THIS WAS A DISASTER. I THINK THERE WILL BE PRESSURE ON JOE BIDEN NOT TO DEBATE AGAIN. >> WERE VOTERS REASSURED CONCERNING TRUMP? WITH THOSE PERSONAL ATTACKS ABOUT THE PORN STAR, ABOUT CONVICTIONS, IT SEEMED TO REALLY RATTLE HIM AND HOW HE LOST HIS COOL. HE STILL SEEMED TO LOSE HIS COOL. DOES HE STILL LOSE HIS COOL, DOES HE HAVE A TEMPERAMENT ISSUE? >> I DIDN'T SEE HIM LOSING HIS COOL, I SAW HIM GETTING A LITTLE FIRED UP, WHEN SOMEONE, IN MY OPINION, SLANDERS YOU, I KNOW DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T SAY THAT, OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO GET FIRED UP AND PUSH BACK. I DON'T THINK HE LOST HIS TEMPER, I THOUGHT HE SHOWED A PROPER AMOUNT OF HUMAN EMOTION, AND RETURNING TO THE POINTS HE WANTED TO MAKE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. IF YOU WATCH THIS DONALD TRUMP SAY YEAH, THIS GUY FEELS THINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK HE LOST HIS COOL. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE VP STAKES. FEELS LIKE ANY WEB A NEW VERSION OF THE APPRENTICE. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE AN AUDITION. HOW DOES IT FEEL FOR YOU? YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE GREAT PEOPLE OF OHIO, AND YOU ARE PART OF TEAM TRUMP, ON HIS CAMPAIGN TRAIL. WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT? >> I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME. FIRST OF ALL, THE BEST WAY I THINK FOR ME TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF OHIO IS TO CONTINUE TO BE A GREAT UNITED STATES SENATOR BUT ADVOCATE FOR A PRESIDENT WHO WILL PUT THEIR INTERESTS FIRST, CLOSE DOWN THE BORDER, AND THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP GRADE THE CITIZEN RECESS, AND THE BEST THING I CAN DO RIGHT NOW ON CITIZEN RECESS I THINK IS TO MAKE AS EFFECTIVE AN ARGUMENT AS I CAN THIS CAMPAIGN SEASON THAT WE NEED TO ELECT BETTER PEOPLE TO WASHINGTON, I WANT THE PEOPLE OF OHIO TO HAVE BETTER LIVES. HE WON'T HAVE THAT IF WE HAVE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. >> THE WALL STREET JOURNAL CONSERVATIVE EDITORIAL PAGE ENDORSED GOVERNOR DOUG BURGUM. AND THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION, BUT I'M SURE YOU READ IT, MR. VANCE AND RUBIO BRING LES TO THE TICKET GRADE THOUGH THE ROLE IS TAKEN BY DONALD TRUMP JR., AND VANCE WAS A POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST INTO UKRAINE. >> FIRST OF ALL I WOULDN'T SAY THE WALL STREET JOURNAL IS NECESSARILY CONSERVATIVE, I THINK THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH CAUSING A WAR AT EVERY CORNER. WHEN I TOOK THAT POSITION THAT WAS A POLITICAL MINORITY POSITION. NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE COME AROUND, BECAUSE WRITING LIMITLESS CHECKS TO A WAR THAT HAS NO END WITH A REAL RISK OF ESCALATION IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOUNG OR OLD, WE NEED STATESMEN WHO ARE DE-ESCALATING THE WORLD'S CONFLICTS, THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. HOWEVER HE PICKS FOR VICE PRESIDENT, THAT'S WHO HE PICKS, AND THAT'S WHO WE NEED. >> HAS HE ASKED YOU TO JOIN HIS TICKET? >> HE HAS NOT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HONESTY. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. ♪ ♪ WHEN YOU LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND SEE THE KEY BRIDGE, WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR HEAD? >> THAT BRIDGE HAS BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. IT STILL DOESN'T FEEL REAL. >> HUNDREDS OF ISRAELIS HAVE GATHERED TO DEMONSTRATE. >> WHAT DO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA DO YOU THINK, WHAT DO THEY NEED MOST? >> TOP STORY WITH TOM LLAMAS, STREAMING WEEKDAYS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS NOW. >>> IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE, NOT EVEN A CHANCE, OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT WE WE WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT ANYMORE, THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS, HE'S THE WORST IN HISTORY BY FAR. >> WE ARE THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. >> WELCOME BACK AS WE RECAP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, AND WE HAVE A GREAT PANEL LINED UP. I WANT TO TURN TO TWO OF OUR BEST POLITICAL EXPERTS. DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR TRUMP'S 2020 CAMPAIGN, TRAINING TEAM. WE ARE LIVE IN THE SPIN ROOM, AND IT'S BEEN HARD TO GET DEMOCRATS TO COME OUT AND TALK TO US ON THE AIR. YOU KNOW HOW THIS GAME WORKS, YOU NEED TO GET YOUR PEOPLE OUT THERE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WANT TO GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT THERE. WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT? WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THIS DEBATE? >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOM. NOTABLY IN 2019 AT THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FOR THE DEMOCRATS PRIMARY, IT WAS A TOUGH ONE. CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS SAY IT'S OBVIOUS THE PRESIDENT HAD A SLOW START. THEY SAY HE HAD A COLD BUT WARMED UP THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. I WOULD ARGUE THAT IS TRUE ON ITS FACE. I SPOKE WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO SAID THEY WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE FUTURE. DID HE WARM-UP MORE OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY? SURE. WAS HE BETTER AT THE DEBATE WATCH PARTY AFTERWARD? ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT 90 MINUTES MATTERS. THE QUESTION THAT MATTERS IS WHAT WILL THE VOTERS SAY? I KNOW YOU WILL BE OUT THERE TALKING TO PEOPLE, AND IS THIS GOING TO GREATLY CHANGE PEOPLE'S MINES? >> SYMONE, OUR REPORTERS HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THEIR SOURCES AND OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ARE HEARING THIS REAL PANIC WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. CAN YOU SEE A SCENARIO WHERE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOT THE NOMINEE? OR IS THAT CRAZY TALK AND WE AREN'T THERE YET? >> I CAN'T SEE THAT SCENARIO. IF JOE BIDEN WAS GOING TO STEP ASIDE HE WOULD HAVE DONE SO A LONG TIME AGO. I'VE SPOKEN TO AIDS FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF THAT MESSAGE. GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM WAS DOWN IN THE SPIN ROOM AND FORCEFULLY REBUFFED THAT NOTION, AND I THINK YOU WILL HEAR EVERYONE AND OTHER HIGH LEVEL DEMOCRATS SAY THAT SAME THING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE REALITY. I DO THINK DEMOCRATS ARE CLUTCHING THEIR PEARLS. >> THROW THEM IN THE DRYER. MARK, I WANT TO ASK YOU, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SOMETIMES STEPS ON HIS OWN GOOD NEWS. CLEARLY IT SOUNDS LIKE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT AND MR. TRUMP CAME OUT ON TOP. HOW DOES HE CAPITALIZE ON THIS? >> STAY ON THE SAME MESSAGE YOU HAD TONIGHT AND TAKE IT TO VIRGINIA, WHICH IS A BLUE STATE, WHICH IS NOW IN PLAY AND I AGREE WITH SYMONE, I DON'T THINK JOE BIDEN WILL BE REPLACED AS A CANDIDATE. I DON'T THINK THE POLITICS WORK FOR HIM. KAMALA HARRIS IS EVEN MORE UNPOPULAR THAN JOE BIDEN. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE BLEEDING BLACK VOTERS. IF YOU DID NOT GET A NOMINATION FOR FIRST FEMALE VICE PRESIDEN , YOU JUST MAY NOT GET VOTES AT ALL. >> THANK YOU. RFK JR. WILL JOIN US LIVE NEXT. ♪♪ >>> WHAT'S THE MESSAGE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO YOUNG PEOPLE? >> WE HAVE IMPORTANT NEWS THIS HOUR ABOUT YOUR MONEY. >> MENTAL HEALTH, BIG PICTURE. WHY IS IT SO TOUGH RIGHT NOW? >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> CLOSER TO THE GAZA BORDER. IT'S A STORY OF RESILIENCE AND HOPE. PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES AND EACH OTHER. >>> NOTICEABLY ABSENT TONIGHT WAS INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE, ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. HE JOINS US LIVE NOW. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. YOU DID NOT HIT THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE DEBATE OR GETTING ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES. YOU DIDN'T GET ENOUGH BALLOTS. WITHOUT A PRESENCE ON THE DEBATE STAGE, YOUR LONGSHOT CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN LONGER. WILL YOU QUALIFY IN THE SEPTEMBER DEBATE? >> I THINK SO. WE ACTUALLY DID QUALIFY FOR THIS. WE HAD FIVE POLLS INCLUDI BY CNN THAT MADE OVER 15%. ONE OF THE COMPANIES ONE OF THE APPROVED 12 COMPANIES BY CNN, CNN ARBITRARILY THREW THAT POLL OUT EVEN THOUGH IT HAD ME AT 17%. CNN DID NOT MODEL ME FOR THE STAGE. I QUALIFIED FOR BEING ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES. 270 VOTES, OFFICIAL SIGNATURE TO GET ME ON THE BALLOT IN STATES. NOR PRESIDENT TRUMP OR PRESIDENT BIDEN ARE ON THE BALLOT IN ANY STATE OR ARE THE NOMINEES OF THEIR PARTIES. >> I'M LOOKING AT SOME-- >> HOW DO YOU GET TO 270 SO FEW STATES? >> THOSE STATES WON'T REGISTER US UNTIL, SOME OF THEM UNTIL AUGUST. WE HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES. WE WORK COMPLETELY QUALIFIED THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF SIGNATURES WE NEED. THE STATES UNDER THEIR OWN PROCEDURES DO NOT REGISTER YOU UNTIL AUGUST, SO THAT MADE IT BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. WE GOT CLOSER THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP OR PRESIDENT BIDEN IN ANY CASE. >> MR. KENNEDY, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE DEBATE? >> I ACTUALLY, I THINK 10 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED. WE HAD A VIRTUAL DEBATE WHERE I WAS ON THE STAGE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND IT WAS AIRED LIVE ON X. IT WAS LIVE STREAMS SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE DEBATE. SO, WHAT I THOUGHT OF IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS DEPRESSING. I THOUGHT WE HAVE 341 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT WAS A DEBATE ABOUT, IT WAS FILLED WITH VITRIOL, ANGER, FINGER-POINTING, AND NONE OF IT TALKED ABOUT, NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT REALLY CONCERN AMERICANS. 70% OF OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY, WITH HAD A NUCLEAR BOMB GO OFF IN OUR MIDDLE CLASS, AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF THESE TWO PRESIDENTS, 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR BASIC HUMAN NEEDS. YOU KNOW, I RUN INTO PEOPLE EVERY DAY WHO ARE ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO ARE SPLITTING PRESCRIPTION PILLS TO MAKE THEM STRETCH. OTHERS ARE DOWNGRADING THE INGREDIENTS FOR THE CHECKOUT LINE AT THE GROCERY STORES. A YOUNG COUPLE I RAN INTO WERE IN A FIGHT, ARGUING IF THEIR CRYING BABY WAS 50 OR $100 SIC BEFORE TAKING THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. >> YEAH. YEAH. I, YEAH. I DO WANT TO ASK YOU AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. AT SOME POINT YOUR TEAM SAYS THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE AREN'T GOING TO GET ON THE BALLOTS, YOU AREN'T GOING TO BE THE PRESENT. WHO DO YOU THROW YOUR SUPPORT BEHIND? >> I'M NOT PULLING OUT. WHAT I SAID IS TO-- PRESIDENT BIDEN IS RIGHT NOW I AM THE ONLY ONE OF THE TWO OF US THAT LEADS PRESIDENT TRUMP IN A POLL. SO THE BIGGEST POLLS ARE SHOWING ME BEAT TRUMP. I'M NOT THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE WITHDRAWING FROM THE RACE. IF I WITHDRAW SPOILER PLEDGE AND LESS LIKELY TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP WILL WITHDRAW AND I WILL TAKE THAT PLEDGE. >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE POLLS BUT WILL DEFINITELY LOOK OUT FOR THEM. NOBODY ON THIS PLANET, MAYBE A FEW EXCEPT FOR YOUR RELATIVES KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF A VICE PRESIDENT. YOU'VE CHOSEN NICOLE SHANAHAN TO BE YOUR RUNNING MATE. SHE WAS A LAWYER FROM SILICON VALLEY. WHAT QUALIFIES HER TO BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF? >> NICOLE SHANAHAN IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET. SHE IS AN EXPERT IN A.I., ONE OF THE GREATEST THREATS AND GREATEST CHALLENGES THAT FACE OUR COUNTRY, WE CAN TURN IT INTO SOMETHING VERY PRECIOUS, OR IT WILL BE A TERRIBLE PERIL FOR US. AND THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN OUR GOVERNMENT WHO IS AN >> WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, THAT DOES IT FOR US TONIGHT. FROM ATLANTA. SPECIAL THANKS TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS AND ALL OF OUR TEAM HERE AT NBC NEWS WORKING HARD IN ATLANTA AND NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON DC. ON TOM LLAMAS. >>> JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP FACE TO FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FOUR YEARS. >> BOTH MEN IN STAGE FOR A HISTORIC DEBATE. AND A PIVOTAL REMATCH WITH THE WHITE HOUSE AND STATE. FROM NBC NEWS. HERE ARE LESTER HOLT AND SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HOSTED BY CNN. >> THESE TWO MEN HAVE DEBATED FROM THE PAST. >> THE DEBATE IS BEING HELD AT A TV STUDIO AFTER THE CANDIDATES BYPASS THE COMMISSION THAT HOSTED THE DEBATE SINCE THE 1980s . >> SO THERE IS NO AUDIENCE TONIGHT AND THE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED AFTER A CANDIDATE'S SPEAKING TIME IS UP. >> THE DEBATE EXPECTED TO RUN 90 MINUTES WITH TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS. >> WE WILL BRING YOU FULL ANALYSIS ONCE THE DEBATE IS OVER BUT IT IS ABOUT TO BEGIN. CNN ABOUT TO BROADCAST THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. LET'S LISTEN. >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH JUST OVER FOUR MONTHS UNTIL ELECTION DAY >>> WE WILL COMODERATE THIS EVENING. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE APPEARING ON THE RIGHT. A COIN TOSS DETERMINED THEIR POSITION. EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTION AND ONE MINUTE EACH FOR RESPONSES AND REBUTTALS. AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE FOR FOLLOW- UP CLARIFICATION. >> WHEN IT IS TIME FOR A CANDIDATE TO SPEAK, HIS MICROPHONE WILL BE TURNED ON. AND HIS OPPONENT'S MICROPHONE WILL BE TURNED OFF. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FOR VIEWERS AT HOME. EACH CANDIDATE WILL GET TWO MINUTES FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS. THERE IS NO STUDIO AUDIENCE. I BOTH CANDIDATES AND THEIR CAMPAIGNS AGREED TO ACCEPT THESE RULES. >> PLEASE WELCOME THE 46th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, JOE BIDEN. >> HELLO. >> NICE TO BE HERE. >>> AND WELCOME THE 45th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP. GENTLEMEN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, LET'S BEGIN THE DEBATE AND LET'S START WITH THE ISSUE THAT VOTERS CONSISTENTLY SAY IS THEIR TOP CONCERN, THE ECONOMY. PRICES REMAIN HIGH. SINCE YOU TOOK OFFICE, THE PRICE OF ESSENTIALS HAS INCREASED. FOR EXAMPLE, A BASKET OF GROCERIES THAT COST $100 THEN, NOW COSTS MORE THAN $120. AND TYPICAL HOME PRICES HAVE JUMPED MORE THAN 30%. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO FEEL THEY ARE WORSE OFF UNDER YOUR PRESIDENCY THAN WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT I WAS LEFT WITH WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT. AND WHAT MR. TRUMP LEFT ME. WE HAD AN ECONOMY IN FREE FALL. THE PANDEMIC WAS SO BADLY HANDLED. HE WAS SAYING IT WASN'T SERIOUS, WE SHOULD INJECT BLEACH IN OUR ARM. UNEMPLOYMENT RATE ROSE TO 50%. IT WAS TERRIBLE. SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO WAS TRY TO PUT THINGS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. THAT IS WHAT WE BEGAN TO DO. CREATED 15,000 NEW JOBS AND BROUGHT OUT A NEW POSITION WHERE WE HAVE 800,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS. MORE TO BE DONE. THE PRICE OF A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS. THAT'S WHY I'M WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SURE I DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS. AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE REDUCE THE PRICE OF HOUSING. WE WILL MAKE SURE WE CAP RENTS SO CORPORATE GREED CAN'T TAKE OVER. THE COMBINATION IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN A SITUATION WHERE IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION HE DIDN'T DO MUCH AT ALL. THERE WAS CHAOS. A PRESIDENT OF CHAOS. I SAID THE JOBS, WE MAKE SURE WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE NOW, WE BROUGHT DOWN THE PRICE OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. A MAJOR ISSUE. $15 FOR AN INSULIN SHOT AS OPPOSED TO $400. NO ONE HAS TO PAY MORE THAN $200. WE WILL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO ALL AMERICANS. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL GET DONE. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WE HAVE THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE NEVER DONE SO WELL. EVERYBODY WAS AMAZED BY IT. WE GOT HIT WITH COVID. WHEN WE DID, WE SPENT THE MONEY NECESSARY SO WE WOULDN'T END UP IN A GREAT DEPRESSION THE LIKES OF WHICH WE HAD IN 1929 BY THE TIME WE FINISHED WE DID A GREAT JOB. A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THE ECONOMY AND THE MILITARY AND NO WARS AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS. EVERYTHING WAS ROCKING GOOD. THE THING WE NEVER GOT THE CREDIT FOR, GETTING US OUT OF THAT COVID MESS. THE STOCK MARKET WAS HIGHER THAN PRE-COVID AND NOBODY THOUGHT THAT WAS POSSIBLE. THE ONLY JOBS HE CREATED WERE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN BOUNCE BACK JOBS. HE HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB. HE HAS DONE A POOR JOB AND INFLATION IS KILLING OUR COUNTRY. IT IS ABSOLUTELY KILLING US. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THAT I THINK. WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE HIS ECONOMY, HE REWARDED THE WEALTHY. HE RAISED THE DEFICIT LARGER THAN ANY PRESIDENT HAS IN ANY ONE TERM. HE IS THE ONLY PRESIDENT OTHER THAN HERBERT HOOVER WHO LOST MORE JOBS THAN WHEN HE BEGAN. THE IDEA HE DID SOMETHING THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT. HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, WE WERE STILL FINDING OURSELF IN A POSITION WHERE YOU HAD A NOTION, THAT WE WERE THIS SAFE COUNTRY. THE TRUTH IS, I'M THE ONLY PRESIDENT THIS CENTURY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY THIS DECADE. ANY TROOPS DYING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP. MANY OTHERS IN ALL FAIRNESS TO CHINA. IT WILL FORCE THEM TO PAY US A LOT OF MONEY. REDUCE OUR DEFICIT TREMENDOUSLY. AND GIVER US A LOT OF POWER FOR OTHER THINGS. THE ONLY THING HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT IS THAT GAVE YOU THE ALL RIGHTEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY. THE LARGEST REGULATION CUT IN HISTORY. HE'S TAKING CREDIT FOR BOUNCEBACK JOBS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HE INHERITED ALMOST NO INFLATION AND IT STAYED THAT WAY 14 MONTHS THEN BLEW UP UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP BECAUSE THEY SPENT MONEY LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. IT WAS PROBABLY THE WORST ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN. AS FAR AS AFGHANISTAN IS CONCERNED, WE ARE GETTING OUT WITH DIGNITY, STRENGTH, POWER. HE GOT OUT. THE MOST EMBARRASSING DAY IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY'S LIFE. >> THE KNACK NATIONAL DEBT SOARED TO RECORD HIGHS. HIGHS. AND ACCORDING TO A NEW NON-PARTISAN ANALYSIS, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOUR ADMINISTRATION APPROVED $8.4 TRILLION IN NEW DEBT. SO FAR PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU'VE APPROVED $4.3 TRILLION IN NEW DEBT. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, MANY OF THE TAX CUTS YOU SIGNED INTO LAW ARE SET TO EXPIRE NEXT YEAR. YOU WANT TO EXTEND THEM AND GO EVEN FURTHER, YOU SAY. WITH THE U.S. FACING TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS AND RECORD DEBT, WHY SHOULD TOP EARNERS AND CORPORATIONS PAY EVEN LESS IN TAXES THAN THEY DO NOW? >> BECAUSE THE TAX CUT SPURRED THE GREATEST ECONOMY THAT WE'VE EVER SEEN JUST PRIOR TO COVID. AND EVEN AFTER COVID, IT WAS SO STRONG WE WGr BUT WE SPURRED. THAT TAX SPURRED. WHEN WE CUT THE TAXES, AS AN EXAMPLE, THE CORPORATE TAX WAS CUT DOWN UNDER OUR FEET. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING NOBODY ELSE HAD. WE GOT HIT WITH COVID. WE DID A LOT TO FIX IT. I GAVE HIM AN UNBELIEVABLE SITUATION >>> MORE PEOPLE DIED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD LARGELY FIXED IT. MORE PEOPLE HAD DIED UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION THAN OURS. AND WE WERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THE MANDATE, MANDATING IT. HE DID A MANDATE ON THE VACCINE WHICH IS THE THING PEOPLE MOST OBJECTED TO ABOUT THE VACCINE. AND HE DID A VERY POOR JOB. JUST A VERY POOR JOB. AND I WILL TELL YOU NOT ONLY POOR THERE, BUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WORLD WE ARE NO LONGER RESPECTED AS A COUNTRY. THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR LEADERSHIP OR THE UNITED STATES ANY MOREIKE A THIRD WORLD NATION. AND IT'S A SHAME. THE DAMAGE HE'S DONE I WOULD LOVE TO ASK HIM. TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. AND DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. >> WE WILL GET TO IMMIGRATION LATER IN THIS BLOCK. PRESIDENT BIDEN I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION. >> HE GOT A $2 TRILLION TAX CUT THAT BENEFITED THE VERY WEALTHY. WE HAVE A THOUSAND TRILLION THEIRS IN AMERICA. MILLIONAIRES. IF THEY JUST PAID 24%, 25%, EITHER ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, THEY RAISED $500 MILLION. BILLION DOLLARS. I SHOULD SAY. IN A TEN YEAR PERIOD. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT DEBT. AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. CHILD CARE, ELDER CARE. MAKE SURE WE STRENGTHEN OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. MAKING SURE WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSONNEL. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> HE DID BEAT MEDICAID. HE BEAT IT TO DEATH. DESTROYING MEDICARE. BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN. THIS MAN IS GOING TO SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY. THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT THEM ON SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WILL WIPE OUT SOCIAL SECURITY. HE WILL WAY OUT MEDICARE FOREIGN COUNTRIES -- I'M FRIENDS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEY CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES OF THEY DON'T LIKE US, WE ARE NOT RESPECTED. THEY GIVE US EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND THEY THINK WE ARE VERY STUPID PEOPLE. WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR OTHER COUNTRIES, THEY DO NOTHING FOR US, WHAT THIS MAN HAS DONE IS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP. DANA. >> THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SINCE THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE. ANOTHER ABORTION CASE. ALLOWING EMERGENCY ABORTIONS IN IDAHO. DESPITE THE STATE'S RESTRICTIVE BAN. YOU TAKE CREDIT FOR THE DECISION TO OVERTURN ROE V. WADE WHICH RETURNED THE ISSUE OF ABORTION TO THE STATE THEY ARE USED IN TWO-THIRDS OF ALL ABORTIONS. AS PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU BLOCK ABORTION MEDICATION? >> FIRST OF ALL, THE SUPREME COURT JUST APPROVED THE ABORTION PILL. AND I AGREE WITH THE DECISION TO HAVE DONE THAT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS WHOLE QUESTION THAT YOU ARE ASKING, COMPLEX, BUT NOT REALLY COMPLEX. 51 YEARS AGO, YOU HAD ROE V. WADE AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO GET IT BACK TO THE STATES. EVERYBODY. WITHOUT EXCEPTION. DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES. EVERYBODY WANTED IT BACK. RELIGIOUS LEADERS. AND WHAT I DID, I PUT THREE GREAT SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ON THE COURT. AND THEY HAPPENED TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF KILLING ROE V. WADE. AND MOVING IT BACK TO THE STATES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTED. NOW TEN YEARS AGO OR SO, THEY SAID THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY WEEKS AND HOW MANY THIS. GETTING INTO OTHER THINGS BUT EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK TO THE STATES. I DID THAT. A LITTLE MORE LIBERAL THAN YOU THOUGHT. RONALD REAGAN, I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS. I AM A PERSON THAT BELIEVES. AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS. SOME PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR HEART. SOME EOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. BUT I BELIEVE IN THE EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. SOME PEOPLE DON'T. FOLLOW YOUR HEART. BUT YOU HAVE TO GET ELECTED ALSO. AND, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS. YOU GOT TO GET ELECTED. THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE IS THEY ARE RADICAL. FOLLOW YOUR HEART, BUT THE BABY ASIDE AND WE'LL DETERMINE WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THE BABY, MEANING, WE'LL KILL THE BABY. WHAT HAPPENS? WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE STATES AND THE COUNTRY IS COMING TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE. IT'S BEEN A GREAT THING. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> IT'S BEEN A TERRIB THING WHAT YOU'VE DONE. THE FACT IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS S >> SUPPORT ROE. AND THAT IS THIS IDEA THEY WERE ALL AGAINST IT IS JUST RIDICULOUS. THIS IS THE GUY WHO SAYS THE STATE SHOULD BE ABLE, WE ARE IN A TATE WHERE IN SIX WEEKS YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU ARE PREGNANT OR NOT, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR DOCTOR AND DECIDE WHAT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, WHETHER YOU NEED HELP. THE IDEA THAT STATES ARE ABLE TO DO THIS, WE TURN CIVIL RIGHTS BACK TO THE STATES. EACH STATE HAS A DIFFERENT RULE. THERE ARE SO MANY YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED, YOUNG WOMEN JUST MURDERED. AND, HE WENT TO THE FUNERAL. THE IDEA SHE WAS MURDERED BY AN IMMIGRANT. HERE'S THE DEAL. A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED BY THEIR INLAWS, BY THEIR SPOUSES. BROTHERS AND SISTERS. OR JUST, IT IS JUST RIDICULOUS. AND THEY CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU. >> THERE HAVE BEEN MANY YOUNG WOMEN MURDERED BY THE SAME PEOPLE HE ALLOWS TO COME ACROSS OUR BORDER. WE HAVE A BORDER WITH THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. CONSIDERED THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE IN THE WORLD. THEY ARE RAPING AND KILLING WOMEN. AND IT IS A TERRIBLE THING. AS FAR AS THE ABORTION IS CONCERNED, IT IS NOW BACK WITH THE STATES. THE STATES ARE VOTING. RONALD REAGAN WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK. EVERYONE WANTED IT BROUGHT BACK. MANY PRESIDENTS HAD TRIED TO GET IT BACK. THAT IS WHERE THEY WANTED IT. EVERY LEGAL SCHOLAR WANTED IT THAT WAY. >> STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF ABORTION, SEVEN STATES. I'LL LET YOU DO THAT. SEVEN STATES HAVE NO LEGAL LIMIT ON HOW LATE A WOMAN CAN GET AN ABORTION. DO YOU SUPPORT ANY LEGAL LIMIT? >> I SUPPORT ROE V. WADE, FIRST BETWEEN THE MOTHER AND THE DAUGHTER, THE SECOND BETWEEN THE DAUGHTER AND AN EXTREME SITUATION. THE THIRD TIME IS BETWEEN THE WOMAN AND THE STATE. THE IDEA THAT THE POLITICIANS, THAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED THE POLITICIANS TO BE THE ONES MAKING DECISIONS ON WOMEN'S HEALTH IS RIDICULOUS THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO. >> THAT MEANS HE CAN TAKE THE LIFE OF THE BABY IN THE NINTH MONTH, AND EVEN AFTER BIRTH, BECAUSE SOME STATES, DEMOCRAT RUN, TAKE IT AFTER BIRTH. HE IS ILLING TO AS WE SAID RIP THE BABY OUT OF THE WOMB IN THE NINTH MONTH AND KILL THE BABY. NOBODY WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN. DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN. NOBODY WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN. >> THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. ROE V. WADE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT. THAT IS NOT THE CIRCUMSTANCE. ONLY IF A WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER. THAT IS THE ONLY CIRCUMSTANCE WHEN THAT CAN HAPPEN. BUT WE ARE NOT FOR LATE TERM ABORTION, PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD. >> ROE V. WADE, YOU HAVE LATE TERM ABORTION. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. DEPENDING ON THE STATE. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. WE DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING. WE THINK IT IS A RADICAL THING. WE THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS, NOT THE REPUBLICANS. >> FOR 51 YEARS THAT WAS THE LAW. 51 YEARS, IT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 51 YEARS. RY CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS ON THE SUPREME COURT. HE TAKES CREDIT FOR °à TAKING IT AWAY. WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO IF THE MAGA REPUBLICANS, HE GETS ELECTED, AND THE MAGA REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE CONGRESS AND THEY HAVE SIX WEEKS OR SEVEN OR TEN WEEKS, SOMETHING VERY CONSERVATIVE. >>> LET'S TURN TO THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY. PRESIDENT BIDEN, A RECORD NUMBER OF MIGRANTS HAVE ILLEGALLY CROSSED THE SOUTHERN BORDER ON YOUR WATCH. OVERWHELMING BORDER STATES. GIVEN THAT, WHY SHOULD VOTERS TRUST YOU TO SOLVE THIS CRISIS? >> BECAUSE WE WORK VERY HARD TO GET A BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT. THAT NOT ONLY CHANGED ALL OF THAT. NO CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY COULD COME ACROSS THE BORDER WITH A NUMBER OF POLICE ARE NOW. THE BORDER PATROL ENDORSED ME. WE ARE FINDING OURSELVES IN A SITUATION, WHERE HE WAS SEPARATING BABYING, PUTTING THEM IN CAGES.E SEPARATED. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. WHAT I'VE DONE SINCE I CHANGED THE LAW. WHAT HAPPENED? I CHANGED IT IN A WAY THAT NOW YOU'RE IN A SITUA ON WHERE THERE IT WAS BETTER WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE. THE TOTAL INITIATIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE WILL DO WITH MORE BORDER PATROL AND MORE. >> I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAID EITHER HE DECIDED TO OPEN UP OUR BORDER WE HAVE THE LARGEST ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEY COME FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. EVERYWHERE. ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEY ARE POURING IN. AND THIS GUY JUST LEFT IT OPEN. AND HE DIDN'T READ LEGISLATION. I DIDN'T HAVE LEGISLATION. I SAID CLOSE THE BORDER. WE HAD THE SAFEST BORDER IN THE HISTORY. WE HAD ACCORDING TO BORDER PATROL WHICH IS GREAT. WE HAD THE SAFEST BORDER IN HISTORY. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. PEOPLE ARE DYING ALL OVER THE PLACE INCLUDING PEOPLE COMING UP. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE ONLY TERRORIST WHO HAS DONE ANYTHING ACROSS THE BORDER IS ONE WHO CAME ALONG AND KILLED THREE. KILLED THREE AMERICAN SOLDIERS. KILLED THREE AMERICAN SOLDIERS EMPTYING THEIR PRISONS, WE'RE WELCOMING THESE PEOPLE, THAT'S >> PRESIDENT TRUMP STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF IMMIGRATION, YOU HAVE SAID YOU WILL CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DOMESTIC DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY. DOES THAT MEAN YOU WILL DEPORT EVERY UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT IN AMERICA INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE JOBS INCLUDING THOSE WHOSE SPOUSES ARE CITIZENS, INCLUDING THOSE WHO LIVED HERE DECADES AND IF SO, HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? >> WE KILLED AL-BAGHDADI AND SOLEIMANI. IT HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON BORDER, ON EVERYTHING. HE IS THE ONE WHO KILLED PEOPLE WITH THE BAD ORDER INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DYING. AND ALSO KILLING OUR CITIZENS WHEN THEY COME IN. WE ARE LIVING RIGHT NOW IN A RAT'S NEST. THEY ARE KILLING OUR PEOPLE IN NEW YORK. IN CALIFORNIA. AND EVERY STATE IN THE UNION. WE DON'T HAVE BORDERS ANYMORE. BECAUSE OF HIS RIDICULOUS, INSANE, AND VERY STUPID POLICIES, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND THEY ARE KILLING OUR CITIZENS IN A LEVEL WE HAVE NEVER SEEN. CITIZENS AT A LEVEL THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. AND YOU'RE READING IT >> ONE OF THEM I JUST SPOKE TO THE MOTHER. AND JUST HAD THE FUNERAL FOR THIS GIRL. HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE OPENED THE BORDERS WE HAVE TO GET THEM OUT FAST. THEY WILL HAVE TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.DYING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OUR VETERANS. HE DOESN'T LIKE THE MILITARY AT ALL, AND I HAD THE HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING FOR VETERANS. HE HAD THE WORST. HE HAS GOTTEN RID OF ALL THE THINGS I APPROVED. WE HAD BY FAR THE HIGHEST. NOW IT IS DOWN AND LESS THAN HALF. I THINK HE DID IT JUST BECAUSE I APPROVED IT WHICH IS CRAZY. HE HAS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE AT OUR BORDER. ALLOWING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TO COME IN. IT IS A VERY SAD DAY IN AMERICA. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE THE MIC. >> EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID IS A LIE. EVERY SINGLE THING. VETERANS ARE A HELL OF A LOT BETTER NOW THAT I PASSED THE PACT ACT. NOW ONE MILLION OF THEM HAVE INSURANCE AND THEIR FAMILIES. WHERE THERE WAS AGENT ORANGE AND BURN PITS THEY ARE BEING COVERED NOW. OFTEN SITUATION WHERE GREAT RESPECT. I SPOKE ABOUT THOSE HEROS THAT DIED. I WENT TO THE WORLD WAR II CEMETERY. HE WAS STANDING WITH HIS FOUR STAR GENERAL AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE A BUNCH OF LOSERS AND SUCKERS. MY SON IS NOT A LOSER OR A SUCKER IS. YOU ARE THE SUCKER, YOU ARE THE LOSER. >> FIRST OF ALL, THAT WAS A MADE UP QUOTE. THEY MADE IT UP. IT WAS IN A THIRD RATE MAGAZINE. WE HAD 19 PEOPLE. THINK OF THIS. WHO WOULD SAY. I'M AT A CEMETERY? OR TALKING ABOUT OUR VETERANS. NOBODY IS TAKING BETTER CARE. I AM SO GLAD THIS CAME UP AND HE BROUGHT IT UP. THERE IS NOBODY THAT IS TAKING BETTER CARE OF OUR SOLDIERS. TO THINK I WOULD SAY SUCKERS AND LOSERS? WE HAD 19 PEOPLE WHO SAID IT WAS NEVER SAID BY ME. IT WAS MADE UP BY ME JUST LIKE RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA WAS MADE UP. OR THE 51 INTELLIGENCE AGENTS ARE MADE UP. THE NEW THING WITH THE 16 ECONOMISTS. 51 INTELLIGENCES THAT THE LAPTOP WAS RUSSIA DISINFORMATION. IT WASN'T.RIGHT NOW. >> FOUR STAR GENERAL STANDING ON YOUR STAFF NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA, THE IDEA THAT I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR ANYTHING ALONG THE LINE. WE HAVE DONE MORE FOR VETERANS THAN ANY PRESIDENT HAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND NOW, THE ONLY SACRED OBLIGATION WE HAVE A AS COUNTRY IS CARE FOR OUR VETERANS WHEN THEY COME HOME. >> THANKS SO MUCH. >>> I WANT TO BEGIN WITH RUSSIA'S WAR AGAINST UKRAINE. WHICH IS NOW IN ITS THIRD YEAR. FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS HE WILL ONLY END THIS WAR IF RUSSIA KEEPS THE UKRAINIAN TERRITORY. IT HAS ALREADY CLAIMED. AND UKRAINE ABANDONS ITS BID TO JOIN NATO. ARE PUTIN'S TERMS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? >> FIRST OF ALL, OUR VETERANS AND OUR SOLDIERS CAN'T STAND THIS GUY. THEY CAN'T STAND HIM. THEY THEY HE IS THE WORST COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF WE HAVE EVER HAD. SO LET'S GET THAT STRAIGHT. AND THEY LIKE ME MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OF THEM. AND THAT IS BASED ON EVERY SINGLE BIT OF INFORMATION. AS FAR AS RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, IF WE HAD A REAL PRESIDENT, THE PRESIDENT THAT KNEW THAT WAS RESPECTED BY PUTIN, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER INVADED UKRAINE. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DEAD RIGHT NOW. DOUBLE THE NUMBERS, TRIPLE THE NUMBERS. HE DID NOTHING TO STOP IT. I TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED. HE WAS SO BAD WITH AFGHANISTAN, IT WAS SUCH A HORRIBLE EMBARRASSMENT. THAT WHEN PUTIN WATCHED THAT AND HE SAW THE INCOMPETENCE, HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED THOSE GENERALS LIKE I FIRED THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND SO HE HAS NO LOVE LOST. BUT HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED THOSE GENERALS, NO GENERAL GOT FIRED FOR THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. AFGHANISTAN, WHERE WE LEFT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT BEHIND. WE LOST 13 BEAUTIFUL SOLDIERS AND 38 SOLDIERS WERE OBLITERATED. WE LEFT PEOPLE BEHIND, TOO. WE LEFT AMERICAN CITIZENS BEHIND. WHEN PUTIN SAW THAT, HE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE WILL GO IN AND TAKE MY, THIS IS HIS DREAM. I TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT. HIS DREAM. THE DIFFERENCE IS HE NEVER WOULD HAVE INVADED UKRAINE. ISRAEL NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN INVADED IN A MILLION YEARS BY HAMAS. BECAUSE IRAN WAS BROKE WITH ME. I WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. THEY RAN OUT OF MONEY. THEY WERE BROKE. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR ANYTHING. NO MONEY FOR TERROR. THAT IS WHY YOU HAD NO TERROR AT ALL DURING Y ADMINISTRATION. THIS PLACE, THE WHOLE WORLD IS BLOWING UP UNDER HIM. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> I NEVER HEARD SO MUCH MALARKEY IN MY WHOLE LIFE. LET'S TAKE THE LAST POINT RST. IRAN ATTACKED AMERICAN TROOPS. ANDHE DIDN'T DO A THING WHEN THE ATTACK TOOK PLACE. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT TRUMP DID IN UKRAINE, THIS GUY TOLD UKRAINE -- TOLD TRUMP, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY KYIV. AND HE INFACT DIDN'T DO IT AT ALL. HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET IT DONE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION. WHICH IS ARE PUTIN'S TERMS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? KEEPING THE TERRITORY IN UKRAINE. >> NO, THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE. BUT LOOK. THIS IS A WAR THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED. IF WE HAD A LEADER IN THIS WAR, HE LED EVERYBODY ALONG. HE HAS GIVEN $200 MILLION. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. I DON'T THINK THERE HAS EVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. $200BILLION. EVERY TIME ZELENSKYY COMES TO THIS COUNTRY, HE WALKS AWAY WITH $200 BILLION. I'M ONLY SAYING THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENDING ON THIS WAR, WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING. JANUARY 20th. PEOPLE BEING KILLED, SO NEEDLESSLY. SO STUPIDLY. I WOULD GET IT SETTLED FAST BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE. >> YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. >> THE FACT IS THAT PUTIN IS A WAR CRIMINAL. HE HAS KILLED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND HE HAS MADE ONE THING CLEAR. HE WANTS TO REESTABLISH WHAT WAS PART OF THE SOVIET EMPIRE. THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS. AND YOU THINK HE WILL STOP THERE? DO YOU THINK HE WILL STOP IF HE TAKES UKRAINE? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IN POLAND? BELARUS? IF HE DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL DO AND WALKS AWAY, ALL THAT MONEY WE GIVE UKRAINE FOR WEAPONS WE MAKE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, GIVING WEAPONS AND NOT MONEY AT THIS POINT AND OUR NATO ALLIES PRODUCED AS MUCH FUNDING FOR UKRAINE AS WE HAVE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE STRONG. >> THANK YOU, MOVING ON. >>> IRANHAMAS ATTACKED ISRAEL AND TOOK HOSTAGES. ISRAEL'S RESPONSE HAS KILLED THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS AND CREATED A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN GAZA. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO RESOLVE THIS CONFLICT. BUT SO FAR, HAMAS HAS NOT RELEASED THE REMAINING HOSTAGES AND ISRAEL IS CONTINUING ITS MILITARY OFFENSIVE. WHAT LEVERAGE WILL YOU USE TO GET HAMAS AND ISRAEL TO END THE WAR? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> EVERYBODY IN THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL. NETANYAHU HIMSELF HAVE ENDORSED THE PLAN I PUT FORWARD. WHICH IS THREE STAGES TO IT. THE FIRST STAGE IS, THE HOSTAGES FOR A CEASE FIRE. SECOND PHASE OF THE CEASE FIRE WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. AND THIRD PHASE IS, THE END OF THE WAR. THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTS THE WAR TO CONTINUE IS HAMAS. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE STILL PUSHING HARD. IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT'S HAPPENED? , WE DENIALED ISRAEL 2,000 POUND BOMBS THAT KILL A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. WE PROVIDE ISRAEL WITH ALL THE WEAPONS THEY NEED AND WHEN THEY NEED THEM. BY THE WAY, I'M THE GUY THAT ORGANIZED THE WORLD AGAINST IRAN WHEN THEY HAD A FULL BLOWN INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC ATTACK ON ISRAEL. NO ONE WAS HURT. WE SAVED ISRAEL. WE ARE THE BIGGEST PRODUCER OF SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL OF ANYONE IN THE WORLD. AND SO THAT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. NUE. WE CONTINUE TO SEND OUR EXPERTS AND INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE GREATLY WEAKENED HAMAS. THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. USING CERTAIN WEAPONS. >> LET GET BACK TO UKRAINE FOR ONE SECOND. WE HAVE AN OCEAN SEPARATING US. THE EUROPEAN NATIONS TOGETHER HAVE SPENT 100 BILLION OR MAYBE MORE THAN THAT LESS THAN US. WHY DOESN'T HE CALL THEM AND SAY YOU GOT TO PUT UP YOUR MONEY LIKE I DID WITH NATO. I GOT THEM TO PUT UP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS O DOLLAR. THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF NATO SAID TRUMP DID THE MOST INCREDIBLE JOB I HAVE SEEN. WE WERE SPENDING ALMOST 100% OF THE MONEY WAS PAID BY US. HE DIDN'T DO THAT. YOU GOT TO ASK THESE PEOPLE TO PUT UP THE MONEY. WE ARE OVER $100 BILLION MORE SPENT. A BIGGER IMPACT ON THEM. BECAUSE OF LOCATION. BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OCEAN IN BETWEEN. YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM. AS FAR AS ISRAEL AND HAMAS, ISRAEL SAYS THE ONLY ONE WHO WANT TO KEEP GOING IS HAMAS. HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT. HE HAS BECOME LIKE A PALESTINIAN. BUT THEY DON'T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE IS A VERY BAD PALESTINIAN. HE IS A WEAK ONE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN, DO YOU HAVE A MINUTE? >> I NEVER HEARD SO MUCH FOOLISHNESS. THIS IS THE GUY WHO WANTED TO GET OUT OF NATO. YOU WANT TO PULL OUT OF NATO. THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE OUR STRENGTH LIES IN OUR ALLIANCES. A BIG OCEAN. IF WE ARE ABLE TO AVOID A WAR IN EUROPE, A MAJOR WAR IN EUROPE, WHAT HAPPENS IF IN FACT, YOU HAVE PUTIN CONTINUE TO GO INTO NATO? WE HAVE AN ARTICLE FIVE AGREEMENT. ATTACK ON ONE IS OUR ATTACK ON ALL. LET PUTIN GO IN AND CONTROL UKRAINE. THEN MOVE ONTO POLAND. SEE WHAT HAPPENS THEN. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. AND I GOT 50 OTHER NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD TO SUPPORT UKRAINE INCLUDING JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA. THEY UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF DISLOCATION HAS A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE WHOLE WORLD PEACE. NO MAJOR WAR IN EUROPE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO BE CONTAINED JUST TO EUROPE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, JUST A FOLLOW-UP. WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE CREATION OF AN INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN STATE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE PEACE IN THE REGION? >> I WOULD HAVE TO SEE. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY. SO THEY KILL US IN TRADE. I MADE GREAT TRADE DEALS WITH EUROPEAN NATIONS. IF YOU ADD THEM UP, THEY ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE ECONOMICALLY. WE ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE THEIR CARS, THEIR FOOD, AND EVERYTHING. THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY. I GOT THEM TO PUT UP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I SAID, AND HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT NATO IF YOU DON'T PAY. THE NATIONS AT THAT TIME. THEY SAID NO, IF YOU DON'T PAY, I WON'T DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAME FLOWING IN THE NEXT DAY AND THE NEXT MONTH.TO YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6th, 2021. AFTER YOU RALLIED YOUR SUPPORT ES THAT DAY, SOME OF THEM STORMED PRESERVE, PROTECT, DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO SAY YOU VIOLATED THAT OATH THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS AND INACTIONS AND WORRIED YOU WILL DO IT AGAIN? >> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6th. ON JANUARY 6th, WE HAD A GREAT BORDER. NOBODY COMING THROUGH. VERY FEW. ON JANUARY 6th, WE WERE ENERGY INDEPENDENT. ON JANUARY 6th, WE HAD THE LOWEST TAXES EVER. WE HAD THE LOWEST REGULATIONS EVER. BUT JANUARY 6th, WE WERE RESPECTED ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND HE COMES IN. AND WE ARE A BUNCH OF STUPID PEOPLE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES' REPUTATION UNDER THIS MAN'S LEADERSHIP IS HORRIBLE. INCLUDING WEAPONNIZATION WHICH I'M SURE AT SOME POINT YOU WILL BE TALKING ABOUT. WHERE HE GOES AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE CAN'T BEAT HIM FAIR AND SQUARE. >> Y HAVE 80 SECONDS LEFT. MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE VOTERS WHO BELIEVE YOU VIOLATED YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OATH THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS AND WORRY YOU WILL DO IT AGAIN? >> I SAID PEACEFULLY, PATRIOTICALLY. NANCY PELOSI IF YOU WATCHED THE NEWS FROM TWO DAYS AGO ON TAPE TO HER DOCTOR WHO IS A DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKER THEY SAY, WHAT SHE IS SAYING OH NO, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY. I OFFERED HER $10,000. THE MAYOR OF DC. THEY TURNED IT DOWN. I HAD VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO DO. I WOULD SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WILL BE THERE. YOU CAN FEEL IT. THEY OFFERED IT TO HERIT DOWN. AND IT WAS THE SAME DAY SHE WAS -- I DON'T KNOW. SHE CAN'T BE VERY HAPPY WITH HER DAUGHTER BECAUSE IT MADE HER INTO A LIAR. SHSAU RESPONSIBILITY FOR JANUARY 6th. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> LOOK, HE ENCOURAGED. THOSE FOLKS TO GO UP ON CAPITOL HILL, NUMBER ONE. I SAT IN A DINER WHILE AT THE OVAL OFFICE HE THREE HOURS WATCHING. THE NUMBER OF HIS COLLEAGUES IN THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AS WELL. INSTEAD, TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEING PATRIOTS AND GREAT PATRONS OF AMERICA. HE SAYS HE WILL NOT FORGIVE THEM FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. HE WENT TO EVERY SINGLE COURT IN THE NATION. THEY SAID NO, NO, THIS GUY, THIS GUY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING WHAT WAS DONE. HE DIDN'T DO A THING. AND THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE IN JAIL. NG HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND HE WANTS TO LET THEM ALL OUT. AND NOW HE SAYS IF$Q LOSES AGAIN, THE WINER HE IS, IT'S GOING TO BE A BLOOD BATH. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOU DESTROYED THE LIVES OF SO MANY PEOPLE. WHEN THEY RIP DOWN PORTLAND. WHEN THEY RIP DOWN MANY OTHER CITIES. INDIANAPOLIS. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE THERE. IF I DIDN'T BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD, THAT CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. I WAS ALL SET TO BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD WHEN THEY TOOK OVER BIG CHUNKS OF SEATTLE. THEY SAW THAT AND LEFT IMMEDIATELY. WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THIS WHOLE SUBJECT. PEACEFUL, PATRIOTIC. THE UNSELECT COMMITTEE WHICH IS BASICALLY TWO HORRIBLE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE ALL GONE NOW OUT OF OFFICE. AND DEMOCRATS. ALL DEMOCRATS. THEY DESTROYED AND DELETED ALL OF THE INFORMATION THEY FOUND BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT WE WERE RIGHT. WE WERE RIGHT. AND THEY DELETED AND DESTROYED ALL OF THE INFORMATION. THEY SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A MINUTE. >> THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS STAGE IS A CONVICTED FELON IS THE MAN I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN HE IS TELLING IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE WAS NO EFFORT ON HIS PART TO STOP WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON CAPITOL HILL AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE CONVICTED DESERVE TO BE CONVICTED. THE IDEA THEY DIDN'T KILL SOMEBODY, JUST WENT IN AND BROKE DOWN DOORS, OCCUPIED OFFICES, TURNED OVER DESKS AND STATUES. THE IDEA THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE PATRIOTS? COME ON. WHEN I ASKED AT THE FIRST OF TWO DEBATES WE HAD THE FIRST TIME AROUND, I SAID WILL YOU DENOUNCE THE PROUD BOYS? HE SAID NO. I WILL TELL THEM TO STANDBY. THE IDEA HE IS REFUSING WHEN WE DENOUNCE THESE GUYS? DENOUNCE THE PEOPLE WE ARE TALK ABOUT NOW? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? >> I WILL GIVE YOU A MINUTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR FOLLOW-UP QUESTION I HAVE. AFTER A JURY CONVICTED YOU OF 34 FELONIES LAST MONTH. YOU SAID IF REELECTED, YOU WOULD QUOTE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO AFTER UNQUOTE YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS. YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT MEMBERS OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 6th GOING TO JAIL. YOUR MAIN POLITICAL OPPONENT IS STANDING ON STAGE WITH YOU TONIGHT. CAN YOU CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS ABOUT YOU FEELING YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO AFTER YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENT S? >> I SAID MY RETRIBUTION WILL BE SUCCESS. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A CONVICTED FELON, HIS SON IS A CONVICTED FELON. PROBABLY NUMEROUS OTHER TIMES, SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVICTED BEFORE. BUT HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LET THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS LAPSE ON THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS. BUT HE COULD BE A CONVICTED FELON AS SOON AS HE GETS OUT OF OFFICE. JOE COULD BE A CONVICTED FELON WITH ALL OF THE THINGS HE'S DONE. HE'S DONE HORRIB THE BORDER TELLING THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WE WILL WANT A BILLION DOLLARS OR CHANGE THE PROSECUTOR. OTHERWISE YOU ARE NOT GETTING A BILLION DOLLARS. IF I EVER SAID THAT, THAT WAS QUID PRO QUO. THIS MAN IS A CRIMINAL. YOU ARE LUCKY. I DID NOTHING WRONG. WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WAS RIGGED. I DID NOTHING WRONG. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE SAID, I'M COMING RIGHT TO YOU, SIR. >> THE IDEA I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. RELATIVE WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT IS OUTRAGEOUS. IT IS SIMPLY A LIE. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE IDEA YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEEK RETRIBUTION TO ANY AMERICAN. NUMBER THREE. THE CRIMES THEY ARE CHARGED WITH. HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DO YOU OWE FOR MOLESTING A WOMAN IN PUBLIC? FOR DOING A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS. HAVING SEX WITH A PORN STAR WHILE YOUR WIFE WAS PREGNANT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> I DIDN'T HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THAT WAS A CASE THAT WAS STARTED AND MOVED. THEY MOVED A HIGH RANKING OFFICIAL, A DOJ INTO THE MANHATTAN DA'S OFFICE TO START THAT CASE. THAT CASE IS GOING TO BE APPEALED AND WON. WE HAD A VERY TERRIBLE JUDGE, HORRIBLE JUDGE, DEMOCRAT. THE PROSECUTOR, ALL HIGH RANKING DEMOCRATS. APPOINTED PEOPLE. AND, BOTH THE CIVIL AND THE CRIMINAL, HE BASICALLY WENT AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO DAMAGE ME. WHEN THE PUBLIC FOUND OUT ABOUT THESE CASES. THEY UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN HE DOES. BUT WHEN THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THESE CASES, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID? MY NUMBERS WENT WAY UP. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAME POURING IN. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT IS A SCAM. AND IT IS A GUY THAT IS AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT BECAUSE HE CAN'T WIN FAIR AND SQUARE. >> THANK YOU TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU ARE SAYING DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MAGA AMERICANS ARE POISED TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. DO YOU THINK THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE VOTING FOR HIM WILL VOTE AGAINST AMERICAN DEMOCRACY? >> THE MORE THEY KNOW ABOUT WHAT HE HAS DONE. YES. HE HAS A LOT OF CASES COMING AROUND. HE HAS A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES HE HAS TO FACE. THE FACT. WHAT GOT ME INVOLVED AROUND THE FIRST PLACE AFTER MY SON HAD DECIDED BECAUSE OF IRAQ, I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO RUN AGAIN. UNTIL I SAW IT HAPPEN IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA. PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE WOODS CARRYING SWASTIKAS ON TORCHES. THE BILE THEY SANG BACK IN GERMANY. AND THE YOUNG WOMEN GOT KILLED. I SPOKE TO THE MER . WHAT AMERICAN PRESIDENT, WOULD EVER SAY NAZIS COMING OUT CARRYING TORCHES, CARRYING SWASTIKAS. THIS IS A GUY WHO SAYS HITLER HAS DONE SOME GOOD THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THIS GUY HAS NO SENSE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> JAKE, BOTH OF YOU KNOW THAT STORY HAS BEEN TOTALLY WIPED OUT. WHEN YOU SEE THE SENTENCE, IT SAID, 100% EXONERATION. HE JUST KEEPS IT GOING. HE RAN BECAUSE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE. HE DIDN'T RUN BECAUSE OF CHARLOTTESTVILLE. HE RAN BECAUSE IT WAS HIS LAST CHANCE. HE IS NOT EQUIPPED TO BE PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT. IT IS RIDICULOUS, WE HAVE A DEBATE. WE ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS PRESIDENCY. HIS PRESIDENCY WITHOUT QUESTION, THE WORST PRESIDENT. WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING A DEBATE ABOUT IT. THERE IS SOMETHING TO DEBATE. HE MADE UP THE CHARLOTTESVILLE STORY. AND YOU WILL SEE, IT IS DEBUNKED ALL OVER THE PLACE. EVERY ANCHOR. EVERY REASONABLE ANCHOR HAS DEBUNKED IT. AND JUST THE OTHER DAY, IT CAME OUT, WHERE IT WAS FULLY DEBUNKED. IT IS A NONSENSE STORY. HE KNOWS THAT. AND HE DIDN'T RUN BECAUSE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE. HE USED THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO RUN. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> AND DEBUNK. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN TO WHAT WAS SAID AT THE TIME. AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I RAN. I RAN BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED THAT A GUY LIKE THIS GOT ELECTED. IF HE THOUGHT THOSE WERE GOOD PEOPLE CARRYING THOSE TORCHES THEN HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT. DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT AT ALL. THE IDEA HE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL. LOOK, THERE IS A REASON WHY 40 OF HIS 44 TOP CABINET OFFICERS REFUSE IN PERSON THIS TIME. SO WHY? WHY, THEY KNOW HIM WELL. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE FROM THE CNN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. THEY KNOW HIM WELL. WHY ARE THEY NOT ENDORSING HIM? >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BIDEN. >>> NOW IS RAW. >> HOW HARD IS IT TO FEEL? >> OUR HOUSE IS NO LONGER HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE. >> NOW IS REAL. >> LET'S BREAK DOWN WHAT WE KNOW. AND THE BIG QUESTION STILL OUTSTANDING. >> NEWS FOR THE GENERATION OF NOW IS NBC NEWS NOW. >>> I'M LESTER HOLT WITH SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. YOU ARE WATCHING THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. >> BEING HOSTED BY CNN AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS DEBATE IN ABOUT 40 MINUTE, I HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US FOR ANALYSIS OF TONIGHT'S KEY MOMENTS. >> OUR TEAM OF POLITICAL EXPERTS WILL BREAK DOWN HOW THE NIGHT COULD SHAKE UP TO PRESIDENTIAL RACE OVER THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS. THAT'S ALL AHEAD RIGHT HERE ON NBC. HE >>> LIVE FROM GEORGIA. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES YOU BOTH FACED IN YOUR FIRST TERMS.DEN, WHILE BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT DROPPED TO A RECORD LOW UNDER YOUR PRESIDENCY, BLACK FAMILIES STILL EARN FAR LESS THAN WHITE FAMILIES. BLACK MOTHERS ARE STILL THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FOR >>> BLACK AMERICANS ARE IMPRISONED AT FIVE TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE AMERICANS. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO BLACK VOTER WHO'S ARE DISAPPOINTED YOU HAVEN'T MADE NOR PROGRESS? >> I ACKNOWLEDGE THEY MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. IN SMALL BLACK BUSINESSES, MORE STARTED THAN ANY TIME IN MYSTERY. NUMBER TWO, THE WAGES OF BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT IS THE LOWEST LEVEL IT HAS BEEN IN A LONG,ST, LONG TIME. CORPORATIONS THAT COLLUDE TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOUSES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE IMPACT ON THE CHOICE THAT BLACK FAMILIES HAVE TO MAKE, RELATIVE TO CHILD CARE IS A CRIMINAL DIFFICULT. WE DID THE FIRST MAJOR PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I WAS ABLE TO REDUCE BLACK CHILD CARE COSTS BY PUT THEM IN HALF. IN HALF. MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE FOR CHILD CARE COSTS. IF WE PROVIDE CHILD CARE PROTECTIONS, MORE PEOPLE COULD BE IN THE JOB MARKET. SO, THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE. CONTINUALLY MORE TO BE DONE. WE HAVE DONE A GREAT DEAL SO FAR. AND I'M NOT LETTING UP AND THEY KNOW IT. >> YOU HAVE 49 SECONDS LEFT. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE PROGRESS SO FAR? >> I SAY I DON'T PLAN TO BE DISAPPOINTED. INFLATION IS STILL HURTING BADLY. TO BE ABLE TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME. SO THEY CAN GET STARTED. MADE SURE WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE ALL OF THOSE BLACK FAMILIES AND BLACK INDIVIDUALS HAVE PROVIDED AND HAD TO TAKE OUT STUDENT LOANS THAT WERE BOLONEY. ANYTHING TO DO WITH VOLUNTEERISM. IF THEY PAID THEIR TEN YEARS, ALL THE DEBTS WERE FORGIVEN AFTER TEN YEARS. WE WILL DO A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR BLACK FAMILIES. >> THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> AND HE CAUSED THE INFLATION. HE IS BLAMING INFLATION AND HE IS RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN VERY BAD. HE CAUSED THE INFLATION. AND IT IS KILLING BLACK FAMILIES AND HISPANIC FAMILIES AND JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY. THEY CAN'T LIVE. THEY ARE NOT LIVING ANYMORE. NO INFLATION. IT WAS PERFECT. IT WAS SO GOOD. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LEAVE IT ALONE. HE DESTROYED IT WITH HIS GREEN NEW SCAM. ALL OF THE MONEY THROWN OUT THE WINDOW. AS SURE AS YOU ARE SITTING THERE, THE FACT IS THAT HIS BIG KILL ON THE BLACK PEOPLE IS THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HE HAS ALLOWED TO COME IN THROUGH THE BORDER. THEY ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS NOW. COULD BE 18, 19, 20 MILLION PEOPLE. THEY ARE TAKING BLACK JOBS AND THEY ARE TAKING HISPANIC JOBS. AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE THE WORST IN OUR HISTORY. >> THANK YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> THE ECONOMY WAS FLAT ON ITS BACK. 15% UNEMPLOYMENT. HE DECIMATED THE ECONOMY. ABSOLUTELY DECIMATED THE ECONOMY. THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO INFLATION. AT THE TIME. THERE WERE NO JOBS. WE PROVIDED THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS OF JOBS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INVOLVED. INCLUDING MINORITY COMMUNITIES. WE MADE SURE THEY HAD HEALTH INSURANCE. WE HAD COVERED WITH THE ACA HAS THE INCREASED, MADE SURE THAT THE $8,000 PER PERSON FOR A FAMILY ACA HAS INCREASED -- I MADE THERE ARE $8,000 PER PERSON IN A FAMILY BUT THIS GUY WANTS TO ELIMINATE THAT. HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THE ACA AGAIN AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AGAIN, IF THEY WIN. WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION, THE IDEA THAT -- I PUT -- WE PUT MORE POLICE ON THE STREET THAN ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION HAS. HE WANTS TO CUT THE COPS. WE FIGHT FOR EQUITY. HE CALLED FOR TREMENDOUS MALFEASANCE IN THE WAY HE HANDLED THE PANDEMIC. >>> 2023 WAS THE HOTTEST COMMUNITY. AND PEOPLE ARE CONFRONTING THE DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF HEAT, INFENCETENSE INTENSIFYING WILDFIRES. WILL YOU TAKE ANY ACTION, AS PRESIDENT, TO SLOW THE CLIMATE CRISIS? >> LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE POLICE, HOW CLOSE -- ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP IN THE NATION FROM EVERY STATE IS SUPPORTING DONALD, J. TRUMP. WHAT HE HAS DONE TO THE BLACK POPULATION. AND FOR TEN YEARS, HE CALLED THEM SUPER PREDATORS. THEY TOOK GREAT OFFENSE AT IT. WHEN HE THEY SEE WHAT I DID FOR THE COLLEGE REFORM AND THE HISTORICALLY COLLEGE BLACK UNIVERSITIES AND I GOT THEM ALL FUNDED AND OPPORTUNITY ZONES, WITH TIM SCOTT, HE WAS INCREDIBLE HE DID A GREAT JOB. A GREAT SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. HE CAME TO ME WITH A GREAT IDEA. IT IS ONE OF THE SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC ACTS IN THE COUNTRY. AND THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARY ARE BLACKS. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE BEST NUMBERS EVER. HE LOST MUCH OF THE BLACK POPULATION BECAUSE HE DID A HORRIBLE JOB FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND HIS PANICS. BUT WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE MILLIONS OF OUR PEOPLE POURING INTO THE COUNTRY AND THEY TOOK THE JOBS. YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET. IT IS A DISASTER. >> 38 SECOND LEFT. WILL YOU TAKE ANY ACTION, AS PRESIDENT TO, SLOW THE CLIMATE CRISIS? >> I WANT I AM IMMACULATE CLEAN WATER AND AIR. WE HAD THE BEST NUMBERS EVER. AND WE WERE USING ALL FORMS OF ENERGY, ALL FORMS. AND YET, DURING MY FOUR YEARS, I HAD THE BEST ENVIRONMENTAL NUMBERS EVER. MY TOP ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE GAVE ME THAT STATISTICS BEFORE I WALKED ON THE TAGE, ACTUALLY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE GETS THE IDEA. I PASSED THE MOST EXTENSIVE CLIMATE CHANGE LEGISLATION IN HISTORY, IN HISTORY. WE FIND OUR -- BY THE WAY, I CAME UP WITH $15,000 FOR COLLEGE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONTRIBUTORS TO BUILD THE LABORATORIES. AND NOW TO GET THE JOBS AND HIGH TECH. WHEN THE SITUATION WHERE THE IDEA HE IS CLAIMING THAT TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING THE CLEANEST WATER? HE HAS NOT DONE A THING IN THE ENVIRONMENT. I IMMEDIATELY JOINED IT BECAUSE. 1.5-DEGREE CELSIUS AND THERE WAS NO WAY BACK. >> THE PARIS ACCORD COULD COST US A TRILLION DOLLARS AND RUSSIA NOTHING, CHINA NOTHING AND A RIPOFF OF THE UNITED STATES. I ENDED IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE THAT MONEY BECAUSE THEY TREAT US HORRIBLY. NO ONE ELSE WAS PAYING INTO IT IT WAS A DISASTER. I HEARD HIM SAY INSULIN. I'M THE ONE THAT GOT THE INSULIN DOWN. HE IS DESTROYING THE PROGRAMS BECAUSE OF THE MIGRANTS COMING IN. I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE. BUT WE'RE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. THEY'RE TAKING OVER OUR SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS AND THEY WILL BE TAKING OVER SOCIAL SECURITY. HE IS DESTROYING SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. >> THE IDEA IS THAT WE, IN FACT, THE ONLY ONES WITH THE CONSEQUENCE WERE NOT MEMBERS OF THE PARIS ACCORD. HOW CAN WE DO ANYTHING IF THE UNITED STATES GET NOT GETS ITSELF UNDER CONTROL OF ONE OF THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTORS IN THE WORLD. WE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS. WE SET UP A CLIMB CORE WHERE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE WILL DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE PEACE CORE AND WE'RE MOVING IN DIRECTIONS THAT IT WILL CHANGE THE ELEMENTS THAT CAUSE THE POLLUTION. THE IDEA THAT HE CLAIMS THAT HE HAS THE BIGGEST HEART UP AND CONCERNED ABOUT POLLUTION AND CLIMATE, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY INDICATION OF THAT. BY THE WAY, WITH REGARD TO THE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, ONE COMPANY AGREED TO THAT THEY WOULD REDUCE THE PRICE TO $35, ONE, VOLUNTARILY. I MADE SURE THAT EVERY PHARMACEUTICAL CANNOT CHARGE MORE. BY THE WAY. >> SO EVERY DAY, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS STRUGGLE IT MAKE ENDS MEET. AND FOR MANY AMERICANS SOCIAL SECURITY IS A CRITICAL LIFELINE. WILL SENIORS SEE THEIR BENEFITS CUT IN TEN YEARS. WILL BE THERE BE MORE ONE THING THAT KEEP SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT? >> YES, PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GET A PAYCHECK FROM THE FIRST TIME THEY GET TO 18 YEARS OLD. I'VE BEEN PROPOSING THAT. THE MILLIONAIRES PAY 1%. SO KNOW -- I WOULD NOT RAISE THE COST OF SOCIAL SECURITY FOR $400,000. I WOULD BEGIN TO MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE TO INCREASE IT FROM IS AND BEYOND TO GUARANTEE THE PROGRAM FOR LEFT. >> YOU HAVE 82 SECONDS LEFT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEASURES TO KEEP SOCIAL SECURITY SOCIAL SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT OR IS THERE MORE? >> THERE IS MORE. HE WANTS TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRAM PUT FORWARD BY THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS THAT HE SUPPORTS, THEY WANT TO CUT IT AS WELL. THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PROTECT OUR SENIORS IS RIDICULOUS. BY THE WAY, AMERIC PUBLIC HAS GREATER HEALTH CARE COVERAGE THAN EVER BEFORE. YOU'RE IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE 400,000 PEOPLE -- 40 MILLION PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PREVIOUS CONDITION. THE ONLY THING THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE THE INSURANCE IS THEY ARE PART OF THE ACA. BY THE WAY THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN THE SITUATION WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT EDUCATION FOR BLACK COMMUNITIES, I'VE RAISED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR PELL GRANTS FOR $8,000 FOR ANYBODY THAT MAKES UNDER $70,000. HE JUST ACCIDENT KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. >> SO I DEALT WITH POLITICIANS ALL MY LIFE. I'VE BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE EQUATION FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIE LIKE THIS GUY. HE CAN LOOK YOU IN THE FACE. WE MENTIONED THE LAPTOP AND RUSSIA, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, UKRAINE. IT IS A TOTAL LIE ON THE MILITARY AND IT IS A DISGRACE. SOCIAL SECURITY, HE'S DESTROYING IT BECAUSE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE POURING INTO THE COUNTRY AND THEY ARE PUTTING THEM ON SOCIAL SECURITY. THEY'RE PUTTING THEM ON MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. THEY'RE PUTTING THEM IN OUR HOSPITALS AND TAKING THE PLACE OF OUR CITIZENS, WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE VA, OUR VETERANS IS UNBELIEVABLE. OUR VETERANS ARE IN THE STREETS. I NEVER SAW SUCH ANGER IN OUR COUNTRY BEFORE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> IDEA THAT VETERANS ARE NOT BEING TAKER CARE OF -- BY THE WAY, HE FIRED THE GENERAL. THAT GENERAL GOT FIRED BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IS HE SAID. HE WAS STANDING WITH TRUMP WHEN HE SAID IT. NUMBER 2. IDEA THE SITUATION WHERE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS COMING IN THE COUNTRY AND TAKING AWAY OUR JOBS. THERE IS A REASON THAT WE HAVE THE FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY IF THE WORLD. WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN ANY OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD. BY THE WAY, THE LARGE BEING PHONY. THE ECONOMIST SAID THAT IF TRUMP IS REELECTED WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE A RECESSION. AND THE WONDERFUL PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. 159 PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLARS, THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. >> LET'S TALK CHILD CARE. YOU HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. BUT THE AVERAGE COST OF CHILD CARE HAS RISEN TO $11,000 A YEAR PER CHILD. THE COST FOR TWO CHILDREN IS MORE THAN THE RENT. IN YOUR SECOND TERM, WHAT WILL YOU DO TO MAKE CHILD CARE MORE AFFORDABLE? >> CAN I GO BACK. THE GENERAL GO FIRED BECAUSE HE WAS NO GOOD. IF HE SAID THAT, THAT IS WHY HE MADE IT UP. WE HAVE 19 PEOPLE THAT SAID I DIDN'T SAY THAT HE DIDN'T FIRE PEOPLE. HE NEVER FIRED PEOPLE. I NEVER SAW -- I DID FIRE SOME THAT DRAIN THE THE SWAMP. I FIRED HIM. THIS GUY HAS NOT FIRED ANYBODY. HE NEVER FIRE -- HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED EVERY MILITARY MAN THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT AFGHAN HORROR SHOW, THE MOST EMBARRASSING MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. DID YOU FIRE ANYBODY ON THE BORDER. DID YOU FIRE ANYBODY ON THE BORDER. DID ANYBODY GET FIRED TO AND MENTAL INSTITUTIONS. JOE, OUR COUNTRY IS BEING DESTROYED. THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE DEBATE. HE IS THE WORST PRESIDENT. HE SAID DID ABOUT ME BECAUSE I SAID IT. BUT HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. AND NOW HE'S TRYING TO GET A LITTLE TOUGH ON THE BORDER. HE CAME OUT WITH A NOTHING DEAL. IT REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS MUCH. IT IS INSIGNIFICANT. HE WANTS OPEN BORDERS. HE WANTS OUR COUNTRY TO EITHER BE DESTROYED OR PICK UP THE PEOPLE AS VOTERS. WE JUST CAN'T LET IT HAPPEN. IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION, OUR COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE A CHANCE, NOT EVEN A CHANCE OF COMING OUT OF THAT RUT. WE PROBABLY WILL NOT HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT ANYMORE. HE'S THE WORST IN HISTORY BY FAR. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> WE'RE THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THERE IS NOTHING BEYOND OUR CAPACITY. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. NO ONE THINKS WE'RE WEAK. NO ONE WANTS TO SCREW AROUND WITH US, NOBODY. THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TALKING. THE PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS THEY HAD THE WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY, ONE FROM BEST TO WORST. HE WAS THE WORST OF ALL- AMERICAN HISTORY. THE IDEA THAT HE COULD HELP WITH CHILD CARE. HE DID NOTHING WITH CHILD CARE. WE SHOULD INCREASE THE CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT AND THE ABILITY OF SINGLE PARENTS TO GO BACK TO WORK AND ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO HOLD -- >> FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT CHILD CARE? >> WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THE WORST. WHAT HE'S DONE IS SO BEST. AND THEY RATE ME ONE OF THE BEST. OKAY. IF I'M GIVEN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, I THINK I'LL BE THE BEST. NOBODY CREATED AN ECONOMY LIKE US OR CUT TAXES LIKE US. HE WANT TO RAISE YOUR TAXES BY FOUR TIMES. HE WANT TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES BY FOUR TIMES. HE WANTS THE TAX CUTS TO EXPIRE. NOBODY EVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE. YOU ALL MY LIFE I GROW UP AND HEAR POLITICIANS CUT TAXES. WHEN WE CUT TAXES, WE DID MORE BUSINESS. APPLE AND ALL OF THESE COMPANIES WERE BRINGING MONEY BACK INTO OUR COUNTRY. THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY BY FAR. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. >> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS HE'S DEAD WRONG -- HE WILL INCREASE THE TAX. IT IS 10% TARIFFS. EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTRY. YOU KNOW WHAT ECONOMISTS IS GOING TO SAY? THAT IS GOING TO COST THE AVERAGE MORNING $2,500 MORE A YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE IN FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE IMPORT. HE TALKS ABOUT HOW HE HAS NOT -- HE SOME HOW HELPED THE MIDDLE CLASS. THE MIDDLE CLASS HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY YOU. NUMBER 2, YOU HAVE NOT, IN FACT, MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH CHINA. WE'RE THE LOWEST TRADE DEFICIT IN CHINA SINCE 2010. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> LET'S DISCUSS AN EMPHASIS IMPACTING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. THE BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE A TOP PRIORITY IN YOUR TERM, THE OPIOID CRISIS. THE NUMBER OF OVERDOSE DEATHS IN THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE UP. DESPITE THEST THAT'S BOTH OF HAVE YOU MADE, MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN HAS ARE DYING FROM OVERDOSES EVERY YEAR, PRIMARILY FENTANYL AND OPIOID. WHAT ABOUT WILL DO YOU TO HELP PEOPLE FINISHING UP IN ADDICTION. >> WEST LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY UNDER THIS GUY. THE LARGEST DEFICIT BY CHINA. HE GETS PAID BY CHINA. HE GETS MONEY FROM CHINA. BUT HE NEVER TOOK OUT MY TARIFFS. HE NEVER TOO MANY THEM AWAY. HE CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH MONEY. WE SAVED OR STEEL INDUSTRIES. BUT HE HAS NOT DONE THAT. BUT HE HAS NOT CUT THE TARIFFS BECAUSE HE CAN BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH MONEY. AND THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE HISTORY OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORST SITUATION WITH CHINA. CHINA IS GOING TO OWN US IF YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US. YOU'RE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN YOU HAVE 67 SECONDS LEFT. THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HELP AMERICANS DUE IN THE THROWS OF ADDICTION? >> WE'RE DOING VERY WELL ADDICTION TILL COVID CAME ALONG. WE HAD TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS. AND THEN WE HAD TO GET TOUGH. THE DRUGS POURING ACROSS THE BORDER -- IT START TO THE INCREASE. WE GOT GREAT EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE THE CERTAIN DOG THAT IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING. THEY COULD SPOT IT. THEN HE CAME ALONG. HAVE YOU SEEN THE NUMBERS NOW? IS NOT ONLY WILL 18 MILLION PEOPLE, THAT I BELIEVE IS LOW. THE NUMBERS OF -- THE AMOUNT OF DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFIC IN WOMEN COMING ACROSS OUR BORDER. THE WORST THING I'VE EVER SEEN. THE NUMBERS THAT NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN UNDER HIM BECAUSE THE BORDER IS SO BAD. BUT THE NUMBER OF DRUGS COMING ACROSS OUR BORDER NOW IS THE LARGEST THAT WE'VE EVER HAD BY FAR. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> FENTANYL WENT DOWN FOR A WHILE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A MACHINE THAT CAN DETECT FENTANYL. THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. IT WAS THE BIPARTISAN DEAL. MORE FENTANYL MACHINES. MORE NUMBERS -- WHEN WE HAD THE DEAL DONE. HE WENT AND CALLED HIS REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AND SAID DON'T DO IT. HE NEVER ARGUED IT WAS NOT A GOOD DEAL. WE NEED THE MACHINES. WE'RE COMING DOWN IN EVERY COUNTRY IN ASIA AS FAR AS PRECURSORS OF FENTANYL. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY CAN PUT IT TOGETHER. WE NEED THOSE MACHINES. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE QUESTION IS AMERICANS IN THE THROWS OF ADDICTION STRUGGLING TO GET THE TREATMENT THAT THEY NEED. >> HE HAD CATCH AND RELEASE MANY MEXICO HARD NEGOTIATIONS IN MEXICO ALL FOR SOMETHING. AND NOW WE HAVE A HOSTAGE, A WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTER, A GOOD GUY, HE'S OVER THERE BECAUSE PUTIN IS LAUGHING AT THIS GUY, PROBABLY ASKING FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THE REPORTER. I WILL HAVE HIM OUT VERY QUICKLY, AS SOON AS I TAKE OFFICE, BEFORE I TAKE OFFICE I SAID BY LITERALLY -- AS SOON AS I WIN THE ELECTION, I WILL HAVE THAT REPORTER OUT. HE SHOULD HAVE HAD HIM OUT A LONG TIME AGO. PUTIN IS PROBABLY ASKED FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I GOT 58 PEOPLE OUT AND I PAID ESSENTIALLY NOTHING. >> LET'S TURN TO CONCERNS THAT VOTERS HAVE ABOUT EACH OF YOU. PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU'LL BE 86 AT THE END OF YOUR SECOND TIME. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE CAPABILITY OF THE TOUGHEST JOB IN THE WORLD IN YOUR LATE 80s? >> I USED TO BE CRITICIZED FOR BEING THE YOUNGEST. AND NOW I'M OLDEST. THIS GUY YOUNGER AND FAR LESS COMPETENT. LOOK AT THE THIS MESS THIS GUY LEFT ME. WE BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE HOME. THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMPUTER CHIPS. WE INVENTED THE CHIPS AND WE LOST IT BECAUSE HE WAS SENDING PEOPLE TO FIND THE CHEAPEST JOBS OVERSEAS AND BRING HOME A PROFIT. I WENT TO SOUTH KOREA AND CONVINCED THEM TO INVEST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE UNITED STATES. GUESS WHAT? THE FABS THEY USE TO DEVELOP THE CHIPS, THEY PAY OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. YOU DON'T NEED A COLLEGE DEGREE FOR THEM. THERE HAVE BEEN $40 BILLION INVESTED AND BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW CREATING SIGNIFICANT JOBS FOR AMERICANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN YOU HAVE 40 SECONDS LEFT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD SIGNAL. >> THE IDEA THAT WE SOMEHOW ARE A FAILING COUNTRY., I NEVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE. I WOULD NOT TRAY PLACES WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS AND OPPORTUNITIES. WE'RE THE MOST PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND THE STRONGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE KEEP OUR WORD AND EVERYBODY TRUSTS US, ALL OF OUR ALLIES. THOSE THAT HE CODDLES UP TO, KIM JONG UN AND PUTIN, THEY DON'T WANT TO SCREW AROUND WITH US. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU'LL BE 82 AT THE END OF YOUR CONCERNS WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED? >> I TOOK TWO TESTS AND ACED THEM. HE TOOK NONE. I WOULD LIKE HIM TO TAKE ONE AND GO THROUGH THE FIRST FIVE QUESTIONS, HE COULDN'T DO. YOU KNOW, WE, KNOCK ON WOOD, I'M IN VERY GOOD HEALTH. I JUST WON TWO CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS. TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO BE QUITE SMART AND HIT THE BALL A LONG WAY. I DO IT. HE DOESN'T DO IT. HE CANNOT HIT A BALL 50 YARDS. I THINK I'M IN GOOD SHAPE. I FEEL I'M IN AS GOOD OF SHAPE THAN I WAS 25, 30 YEARS AGO. I MAY BE A LITTLE LIGHTER. I FEEL THE SAME. I WAS WILLING TO TAKE A COGNITIVE TEST. I ACED THEM. DR. RONNIE JACKSON, A GREAT GUY, WHEN HE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE DOCTOR. ONE OF THEM SAID THEY NEVER SAW ANYBODY ACE THEM. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> HE IS 6'5" AND ONLY 235 POUNDS. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE SAID AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT HE SAID. I'D BE HAVING TO HAVE A DRIVING CONTEST. I KNOW MY HANDICAP. I WAS DOWN TO A 6. I'M HAPPY TO PLAY GOLF, IF YOU CARRY YOUR OWN BAG. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT? >> I WAS AN 8 HANDICAP -- >> I'VE SEEN YOUR SWING. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP - WILL YOU PLEDGE TONIGHT THAT ONCE ALL LEGAL CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED, THAT YOU WILL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION, REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS, AND YOU WILL SAY THAT POLITICAL VIOLENCE OF ANY FORM IS UNACCEPTABLE? >> I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT. BUT, OF COURSE,, I BELIEVE THAT. IT IS TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE. IF SAW MY STATEMENTS ON TWITTER IN THE ROSE GARDEN, YOU WOULD SAY IT IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST STATEMENTS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN AND THE SPEECH IN FRONT LARGEST CROWD THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO. NO ONE SPEAKS ABOUT THAT. THEY TALK ABOUT THE SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WERE USHERED IN BY THE POLICE. AND NANCY PILOSI EVEN SAID AT THE WAS HER RESPONSIBILITY, NOT MINE. I WISH HE WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT, I WOULD NOT BE HERE RIGHT NOW. I'D BE AT ONE OF MY PLACES ENJOYING MYSELF. I WOULD NOT HAVE THESE INDICTMENTS. I WISH HE WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT, I WOULD NOT BE HERE. I DON'T MIND BE HERE. THE ONLY REASON HERE IS THAT HE'S SO BADS AS PRESIDENT, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. WE'RE A SERIOUSLY FAILING NATION. AND WE'RE A FAILING NATION BECAUSE OF HIM. HIS POLICIES ARE SO BAD, HIS MILITARY POLICIES ARE INSANE. THEY'RE INSANE. THESE WARS WILL NEVER END WITH HIM. HE'LL DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR III. WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO WORLD WAR II. AND HE'S DRIVING US THERE. AND KIM JONG UN AND, ALL OF THESE -- PUTIN, THEY DON'T RESPECT HIM. THEY HAVE NOTHING GOING WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AND HE'S GOING DRIVE US INTO WORLD WAR III. >> HE WINS, NT.HE WILL TELL T ATTACK ON ONE IS ATTACK ON ALL, A REQUIRED RESPONSE. THE IDEA -- THE IDEA - PUTIN, 'T THINK DO WHAT YOU WANT. I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD THAT WOULD TRADE THE JOB WITH ME. WE NEED TO PROTECT THE WORLD. AGAIN, YOU WANT TO HAVE WAR, JUST LET PUTIN AND MOVE ON AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN POLAND, HUNGRY AND OTHER PLACES ALONG THE BORDER. THEN YOU HAVE A WAR. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE QUESTION WAS, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS? >> JUST TO FINISH WHAT HE SAID LAND FROM OBAMA AND BIDEN. THEY TOOK NO LAND, , NOTHING, FROM TRUMP. NOTHING. HE KNEW NOT RUSSIA,, HE KNEW ABOUT THAT HE KNEW NOT TO PLAY GAMES. HE TOOK NOTHING FROM ME. AND NOW HE'S GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING FROM THIS MAN, RIGHT HERE. THAT IS A WAR THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED. IT WOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED WITH ME. AND HE'S GOING TO TAKE UKRAINE. HE'S GOT US IN SUCH A BAD PASSION WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA. UKRAINE IS NOT WINNING THAT WAR. HE SAID I WILL NEVER SETTLE -- THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE, SOLDIERS. THEY'VE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE. IT IS SO SAD. THEY'VE LOST SO MANY PEOPLE AND LOST THOSE GORGEOUS CITIES WITH THE GOLDEN DOMES THAT WERE A THOUSAND YEARS OLD BECAUSE OF HIM AND STUPID DECISIONS. RUSSIA WOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED. >> WILL YOU ACCEPT THE ELECTION NO MATTER WHO WINS? >> IF IS A FAIR ELECTION, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE FRAUD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS RIDICULOUS. WE'LL WILL HAVE A NEWS CONFERENCE ON IN A WEEK. WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE IN A WEEK. I WILL ABSOLUTELY -- THERE IS NOTHING I WOULD RATHER DO. IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO DO THAT THAN RUNNING AGAIN. I REALLY WASN'T GOING TO RUN TILL I SAW THE HORRIBLE JOB THAT HE DID. HE'S DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY SOMEPLACE OUT IN A NICE LOCATION SOMEPLACE. NO INDICTMENTS NO POLITICAL OPPONENT STUFF. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT HE THINKS THAT HE CAN WIN. BUT IT DRIVEN UP ANY NUMBERS AND DRIVEN THEM UP TO A HIGH LEVEL. >> LET'S SEE WHERE YOUR NUMBERS ARE WHEN THIS ELECTION IS OVER. YOU'RE A WHINER. WHEN YOU LOST THE FIRST TIME, YOU CONTINUED THE APPEALS TO THE COURTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. NOT ONE SINGLE COURT IN AMERICA SAID ANY OF YOUR CLAIMS HAD ANY MERIT, STATE OR LOCAL. NONE. BUT YOU CONTINUE TO PROVOKE THIS LIE ABOUT WILL THERE IS THIS MISREPRESENTATION ALL OF THIS STEALING. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT AT ALL. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I DOUBT THAT YOU'LL ACCEPT IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SUCH A WHINER, THE IDEA THAT YOU LOSE AGAIN, YOU CANNOT STAND A LOSS. >> WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE FROM THE CNN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE LIVE FROM GEORGIA. >>> STILL TO COME, THE WATER IT'S ARE RECEDING NOW. GROUND ZERO, AS IT IS BEING REFERRED TO. THE HAITIAN PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RESILIENCY. >>> I'M LESTER HOLT AND SAVANNAH GUTHRIE. YOU'RE WATCHING THE FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS DEBATE IN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES OR SO WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL JOIN US FOR ANALYSIS OF TONIGHT'S KEY MOMENTS. >> WE BREAK DOWN HOW THIS NIGHT COULD SHAPE UP THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS. BACK TO ATLANTA NOW. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS FROM THE DEBACLE THAT >> WE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS FROM THE DEBACLE THAT TRUMP LEFT IN HIS LAST TERM. WE NEED A FAIR TAX SYSTEM. I ASK ANYONE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE OR WATCHING THIS DEBATE, DO YOU THINK THE TAX SYSTEM IS FAIR? THE FACT IS, NO ONE MAKING $400,000 HAD THEIR TAXES INCREASED. HE INCREASED IT BECAUSE OF THEE DEFICIT. WE FIND OURSELVES WHERE HE WANTS TO TAX YOU MORE. WHAT I DID, HE WANT TO GET AWAY WITH THE ABILITY OF MEDICARE -- THE ABILITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES WITH THE BIG PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES. WE GOT IT DOWN TO $35 FOR INSULIN AND NO MORE THAN $2,000 FOR WILL AVERAGE SENIOR, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE PRESCRIPTION WE NEED. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY THE EX PRICES. HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THAT. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CHILD CARE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE CREDIT THAT PEOPLE HAVE FOR CHILD CARE. WE'LL LOOK AT THINGS WITH LED PIPES AND CAUSING HEALTH PROBLEMS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO BRING DOWN INFLATION AND GIVE PEOPLE A BREAK. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> THIS MAN IS A COMPLAINER. HE SAID WE WANT TO DO THIS OR DO THAT AND GET RID OF THIS TAX OR THAT TAX. HE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. ALL HE DOES IT MAKE OUR COUNTRIES UNSAFE BY ALLOWING MILLIONS OF MILLIONS PEOPLE TO POUR IN WE LOOK LIKE FOOLS IN AFGHANISTAN. THE HORRIBLE THING IN ISRAEL. THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. THEY COULD NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THE UNITED STATES. THEY ALL PASSED. IRAN WAS BROKE. THEY HAD NO MONEY FOR HAMAS OR HEZBOLLAH. AGAIN, UKRAINE SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. HE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THIS STUFF AND FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS, WE'RE LIVING IN HELL WE HAVE THE PALESTINIANS ALL OVER THE PLACE. THIS IS A HUNDRED TIMES CHARLESVILLE. THE WHOLE COUNTRY EXPLODING BECAUSE OF YOU. THEY DON'T RESPECT YOU. THEY DON'T RESPECT YOU THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. WHAT HE WE DID IS WE REBUILT THE MILITARY AND GOT THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY. THE LARGEST REGULATION CUT IN HISTORY. THE REASON HE GOT THE JOBS IS BECAUSE I PUT THE REGULATIONS THAT GOT JOBS. HE'S PUTTING ALL THE REGULATIONS BACK ON. FROM THE MEDICAL STANDPOINT, RIGHT TO TRY. WE CAN TRY SPACE AGE MATERIALS INSTEAD OF GOING TO ASIA AND EUROPE TO GET THINGS WHEN YOU'RE TERMINALLY ILL. YOU SIGN A DOCUMENT. THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET IT FOR 42 YEARS. WHAT WE DOES FOR THE MILITARY, A CHOICE, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THREE MONTHS TO SEE A DOCTOR, THEY CAN GO OUT AND GET THEMSELVES FIXED UP AND TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND THEY ARE LIVING. THAT IS WHY I HAVE THE HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING IN THE HISTORY OF THE VA. WE'RE A FAILING NATION. BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FAILING ANYMORE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN. >> THANK YOU FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT BIDEN, STAY WITH US. BECAUSE WE HAVE FULL ANALYSIS OF THIS DEBATE. ANDERSON COOPER AND -- UP NEXT ON CNN. >> WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE DEBATE. FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WRAPPING UP HIS STATEMENT. MR. TRUMP FACING OFF AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> THE DEBATE WENT ABOUT AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES AND SO. THEY TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES OF THE DAY. THE KEY ISSUE, THE COMPETENCE OF THE MEN. >> WE HEARD ABOUT GOLF SCORES AND/OR THINGS. IT WAS A CONTENTIOUS DEBATE. LET'S GO TO HALLIE JACKSON WHAT ARE THE HEADLINES BEING WRITTEN RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS DEBATE? >> THERE IS NO WAY TO SUGAR COAT THIS. THIS NIGHT GOT OFF TO A TOUGH START FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN. HE DELIVERED A PERFORMANCE THAT WAS HALTING AND AT TIMES LOSE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT. HE WOULD TALK TO ECONOMY AND THEN SHIFTED TO AFGHANISTAN WHICH GAVE FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AN OPENING. THE TOPIC OF THE AGOOD ABORTION, HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT WAR. HE LOOK IF LOOKED AT WHAT THEY THEY HAVE DONE. IT IS ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE AND ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. WE HAVE HEARD FROM A RANGE OF DEMOCRATS THAT SAID THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED BY TONIGHT'S DEBATE. ONE TELLING ME THIS RACE, QUOTE, THIS AFFECTIVELY OVER. THIS PERSON PREDICTING WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO STAND BY BIDEN, DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SOME DEMOCRATS WONDERING IF THAT WILL BE THE CASE MOVING FORWARD. BUT THERE HAS BEEN TOUGH LANGUAGE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO OFFER IN TERMS OF THE PERFORMANCE THAT THEY SAW TONIGHT FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP UNLEASHED A -- THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS NOT FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND BIDEN DID NOT REFUTE. PRESIDENT BIDEN DID PICK UP SPEED AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW PEOPLE PLAY IT. >> LET'S GO TO HALLIE JACKSON. HERE IS A RACE, IN SOME WAYS TIDE AT PERHAPS WITH DONALD TRUMP IN MOST OF THE NATIONAL POLLS HAD A LET IN MOST OF THEM. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WANTED AND NEEDED A COMPELLING PERFORMANCE FROM THE CANDIDATE. DID THEY GET IT? >> Reporter: IF A VOTER WAS TUNING IN, LOOKING TO SEE ABOUT CONCERNS BEING ALLEVIATED ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE OR STRENGTH OR CAPABILITY, THAT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR THAT IS WHAT THEY GOT FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN TONIGHT WHICH WAS SHAKY. IT WAS A SHAKY START. IN THE BACK HALF OF THE DEBATE, THE LATTER THIRD OF THE DEBATE I HEARD FROM A DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER WHO HAS BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN THAT SUGGESTED THE POSSIBILITY OF OPEN CONVENTION OR REPLACING PRESIDENT BIDEN ON THE TICKET. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IS VIRTUE LITTLE IMPOSSIBLE TO HAPPEN. BUT THE FACT THAT BEING RAISED IS, AT A MINIMUM, A HEADACHE FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, MOVING TO THE NEXT STRETCH AND THE CONVENTION IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND SOMETHING THAT WILL DOG THEM NOW FOR MONTHS, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE POLLING. ALL OF THAT SAID, I'M IN THE SPIN ROOM. THEY CALL IT A SPIN ROOM FOR A REASON. YOU HAVE SURROGATES FOR THE CAMPAIGN. I WILL TELL YOU THE EARLY SPIN IS FROM FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP JANUARY 6 WAS NOT A GOOD ONE. BUT REMEMBER THE SOCIAL ECONOMY WITH WHY -- THERE ARE MOMENTS IN THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WILL HAVE TOUGH TO SWALLOW. >> SPEAKING OF THE SPIN ROOM AND SURROGATES. LET'S GO TO THE BIDEN MAYOR. WAS THIS THE COMMANDING PERFORMANCE FROM YOUR CANDIDATE THAT YOU HOPED TO SEE? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A BARE KNUCKLES BRAWL. THE PRESIDENT STARTED OFF SLOW BUT HE CAME BACK. WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS SPEAKING, HE WAS LYING. THE IN FACT THERE WAS NO FACT CHECKING IS INCREDIBLE. STOP HARD TO DEBATE SOMEBODY WHO IS UNTETHERED FROM THE TRUTH. HE DOUBLED DOWN THAT JANUARY 6th WAS NOT A BIG DEAL AND HE THOUGHT THAT THOSE PEOPLES WERE PATRIOTS. HE DOUBLED DOWN ON THE FACT THAT ROE V. WADE WAS NOT A VERY GOOD IDEA. THE DEBATES HAVE A COURSING OVER TIME. BUT BEFORE TOMORROW MORNING, WHEN FACT CHECK, ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT DONALD TRUMP SAID TONIGHT WAS A FABRICATED LIE. >> WILL THAT BE THE QUESTION OR THE PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE? >> Reporter: I THINK THE WAY PEOPLE ANALYZE DEBATES IT WILL FIRST BE THE PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE. PRESIDENT BIDENS TOLD THE TRUTH. AMERICA IS STRONGER. PEOPLE RESPECT US MORE. HE DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH. IT WAS LIKE HE WAS LIVING IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE. BUT IF YOU CANNOT FACT CHECK SOMEBODY AND SOMEBODY IS NOT ASHAMED OF TELLING THE TRUTH, A DIFFICULT SITUATION. YOU SAW THAT IN REALTIME TONIGHT. WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS FIGHTING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HE BELIEVED IN. DONALD TRUMP BECOMING OBSESSED WITH HIMSELF AND UNHINGED IN SOME MOMENTS. >> YOU TALK ABOUT FACT CHECKS. ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES IN THIS CAMPAIGN, AND THE POLLS SHOW IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE CORE ISSUE IS PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS THE COMPETENCE AND ABILITY FOR A SECOND TERM. WITH THE PRESIDENT BIDEN THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, BASED WHEN THAT THEY THOUGHT TONIGHT, IS THIS THE PRETTY THAT WILL SERVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT? >> Reporter: I AM. I SERVED WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR TWO YEARS. I WAS WITH HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS. I'VE SEEN THAT. I THOUGHT HE WAS A LITTLE SLUGGISH. I THINK HE ROSE TO THE NIGHT. I'M GLAD THAT HE STOOD UP TO THE MISS TRUTHS THAT DONALD TRUMP TOLD AND TRIED TO LAY OUT HIS PLAN FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> WE WANT TO TURN TO OUR SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT WHO IS ON THE FLOOR OF THE SPIN ROOM WHAT ARE YOU HEARING TONIGHT? >> Reporter: CAMPAIGNS, ELECTIONS, THEY ARE ABOUT STRATEGIES. THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN STRATEGY IN THE SPIN ROOM IS BAD RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE WAITING FOR ANY FROM THE STRATEGY GIFT TO COME OUT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT BIDEN AND DEFEND HIS PERFORMANCE. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. IF I TURN THE CAMERA AROUND, THE PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS. THESE ARE TRUMP SURROGATES. THE TRUMP TEAM IS OUT HERE ON THE OFFENSE MUCH THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT BIDEN, HAD A BAD DEBATE. AND DONALD TRUMP, THE PRESIDENT THEY'RE SUPPORTING HAD A MUCH BETTER PERFORMANCE. THE CHOICE IS CLEAR. I'M SURE IN THE MOMENTS TO COME, PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL BE -- SOMEBODY FROM HIS TEAM WILL BE OUT HERE AND DEFEND THE PRESIDENT'S PERFORMANCE. ALL THE REPORTERS -- AND THERE ARE DOZENS OF PEOPLE, ARE WAITING FOR ANYONE TO COME OUT FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN. THIS IS THE SPIN ROOM. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ROOM TO PUT THEIR PEOPLE IN, AS FAR AS THE STRATEGY IS, THIS IS WHERE EVERYONE IS RIGHT NOW. ALL THE PILES OF PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE HERE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE SURROUNDING TRUMP SURROGATES. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN SENATOR RUBIO TO WHAT HE SAID. WE'LL STAY ON THE SPIN ROOM FLOOR. >> JOINING US FROM THE DEBATE SPIN ROOM IS NORTH DAKOTA'S GOVERNOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. >> LESTER, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU. >> WE HEARD FROM THE SURROGATE FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN THAT TRUMP IN THE VIEW FLOODED THE ZONE WITH HALF-TRUTHS, UNTRUTHS WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT? >> I THOUGHT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD A STRONG PERFORMANCE AND THEY SAW THE CHALLENGES THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD JUST DIFFERENT DELIVER -- DELIVERING A MESSAGE ON THE BORDER AND ABORTION. THAT IS AFFECTING THEM ABOUT BORDER AND ABORTION, HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY. IT IS CLEAR THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A 50-YEAR PHILOSOPHY WHEN IS ESSENTIALLY ANTI BUSINESS. THE REGULATION, HE WANTS TO RAISE TAXES. EVERY SOLUTION IS HIGHER TAXES AND MORE SPENDING. PEOPLE DID NOT SEE ANYTHING NEW. THERE WAS NO VISION THERE. AND PEOPLE KNOW THEY WERE BETTER OFF UNDER FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. I THINK TONIGHT ACE BIG WIN WAS FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> BECAUSE THERE WAS NO AUDIENCE, DO YOU THINK IT HELPED THE FORMER PRESIDENT? >> Reporter: I THINK HE SHOWED A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF HE'S IN A SMALL GROUP OR FUNDRAISERS, RIGHT NOW HE'S IN A GREAT SPOT. HE'S CALM, STRONG AND CONFIDENT. THIS IS NOT THE BY IN 2016. HE KNOWS WHEN IT IS LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT. HE DID IT BEFORE. HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF BY I GREAT CAMPAIGN TEAM. HE'S CONFIDENT ABOUT HOW HE'S GOING FORWARD. THING THAT SHOWED IN HIS PERFORMANCE TONIGHT. >> A LOT OF FOLKS ARE JUST TUNING IN AND NOT POLITICAL JUNKY LIKE YOU AND I MAY BE, ONE THING REMEMBER IS JANUARY 6th AND HIM LOSING THE ELECTION. HERE HE WAS AGAIN TONIGHT ASKED POINT BLANK, IF YOU LOSE THE ELECTION, WILL YOU CONCEDE? HE DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY. HE ALWAYS HEDGES IF IT IS FREE OR FAIR. WHY DOES HE NOT JUST SAY, OF COURSE I'LL ACCEPT THE ELECTION. >> Reporter: WE KNOW IN OUR COUNTRY, DEMOCRACY, THIS IS A CHALLENGE. >> THAT IS A RED SHARING. HE GOT TO LITIGATE IT. HE HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND COURT. EVERY OTHER INSTITUTION THAT FOUND IT WAS A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION AND HE'S STILL ON ABOUT THAT. HE WILL NOT SAY THAT HE'LL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION. I JUST DON'T GET THAT. >> Reporter: I THINK FOR ANY OF US THAT WERE AROUND -- I WAS PART OF THAT 2020 ELECTION. WE HAD FREE AND FAIR ELECTION INNEDDED IN NORTH DAKOTA. WE HAD MAILING OUT WITH ALL THE BALLOTS TO NONUPDATED VOTER FILES AND UNMONITORED DROP BOXES. YOU CAN VERIFY THIS IS THE NUMBER OF BALLOTS THAT GOT COUNTED. I SPENT MY LIVE IN TECH AND BUSINESS PROCESSES. WHEN YOU GOT UNMONITORED DOCUMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROLS OVER THE PATH OF THAT DOCUMENT, YOU DON'T WHERE THIS CAME FROM THAT WOULD NOT PASS A QUARTERLY AUDIT FROM A PUBLIC COMPANY. WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, IF AMERICA, IF IT WAS THE 2000 AMERICA OR THE 2016 ELECTION, WHICH PEOPLE CLAIMED THAT THERE WAS RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE. THREE OF OUR LAST FIVE ELECTIONS, EITHER OF THE DIFFERENT PARTIES WILL SAY GET CONCERNED. >> WE CANNOT LET YOU OUT OF HERE ABOUT THE VP SELECTION. >> HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO BE VP? THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAID THAT THE VP IS THERE. HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE VP? >> THERE IS SO MUCH TALENT. THE REAL QUESTION IS ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE. THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION RIGHT NOW. THE CHOICE THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN DID FOUR YEARS AGO AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO GOING FORWARD. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT HIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WILL BE? >> THAT WILL BE -- HE'LL MAKE IT AT HIS TIME OF CHOOSING. >> THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO KNOWS WHAT THE VP IS AND THAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> I THINK THAT IS A NO. HE HAS NOT BEEN ASKED. >>> DOUBLE HATERS IN PHOENIX, THEY DON'T LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE. WHAT ARE YOU HEAR SOMETHING. >> Reporter: WE STARTED OFF THE NIGHT TALKING ABOUT DOUBLE HATERS. AS THAT DEBATE WENT ON, DOUBLE HATE IS PROBABLY NOT THE WORD THAT THIS PANEL WOULD USE TO DESCRIBE THEIR FEELINGS ONE OR BOTH CANDIDATE. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? DOUBLE WHAT? >> DOUBLE FRUSTRATED? >> Reporter: YOU? >> DOUBLE CRINGE. >> Reporter: I WAS WATCHING YOU. I SAW A LOT OF CRINGING AND A LOT OF ANGER SOMETIMES. IF THERE WAS ONE MOMENT THAT STUCK OUT TO YOU, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> THE MOMENT WHEN HE STARTED TO GO BACK AND FORTH ABOUT GOLFING. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO THE QUESTION THAT THE MODERATOR SAID. THEY JUST KEPT GOING BACK AND FORTH. I WAS LIKE, IS THIS REAL? IT FELT REALLY WEIRD TO SEE THEM GOING BACK AND FORTH LIKE THAT. >> WE'RE NOT IN ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S MANY PROPERTIES. WE'RE IN HEAT-FILLED ARIZONA WHERE WE'RE SUFFERING FROM CLIMATE. TO SAY WE'RE NOT SUFFERING FROM CLIMATE CHANGE IS ANOTHER LIE. I FELT LIKE THEY WERE IN FIRST GRADE, SECOND GRADE. IT IS NOT DONALD TRUMP'S FAULT. IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE HE PUT IN OFFICES. IT IS NOT PRESIDENT BIDEN, I HAD CLEAN UP YOUR MESS. FIGURE IT OUT, BOYS BECAUSE YOU'RE BOTH WRONG. >> Reporter: NICOLE, I SAW YOU CRINGING A FEW TIMES DURING THE BIDEN SPEAKING, WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS WHEN YOU WERE WATCHING THAT? >> IT WAS -- HE STRUGGLED TO GET OUT A COHERENT THOUGHT AND HE GOT SIDETRACKED AND HE COULD NOT GET ON THE CONVERSATION. IT IS CHALLENGING TO WATCH HIM. >> Reporter: THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DEBATE WATCH PARTIES WHERE THREE OF YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THREE OR FOUR QUESTIONS, THAT YOU MAY HAVE TURNED IT OFF, VERY INSIGHTFUL COMING FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA. >> WE HAVE MUCH MORE ABOUT THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE RIGHT AFTER THIS. >>> THE FIRES HAVE GROWN BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS. ARE YOU DOING? >> PRETTY, PRETTY BAD. >> WE REPORT LIVE FROM TEL AVIV, MEXICO TOP STORY REPORTING FROM BALTIMORE. >> EVERY WEEK NIGHT, DOES YOUR NEWS PLAY LIST. TOP STORIES, STREAM BEING WE CAN NIGHTS AT 7:00 ON NBC NEWS >>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP. WE WANT TO TURN IN OUR FINAL MOMENTS TO KRISTEN WELKER. THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE NOW. SEARCHING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TONIGH >>> I SAW A LOT OF SOUL SEARCHES ON YOUR SOURCES. >> EXACTLY THAT. THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, THE WISDOM OF HOLDING THIS DEBATE EARLY WAS TO SHAKE UP THIS RACE. PRESIDENT BIDEN TRAILING WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR. THEY WANTED PEOPLE TO WATCH THE RACE AND TURN THIS AROUND. HERE THEY ARE GOING INTO THE CONVENTION THE SUMMER WHEN PEOPLE WILL UNDOUBTEDLY TUNE OUT AGAIN. SO THE IMPACT OF THIS REMAINS UNKNOWN. BUT STILL, A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE CONVENTION FOR DEMOCRATS. >> AND THAT LEADS THE QUESTION, WILL THIS BE FROZEN IN TIME? á6 YOU DO HAVE FOLKS LEAVING ON JULY 4th HOLIDAY NOW. YOU'VE GOT OLYMPICS COMING UP. WE'RE IN THAT PART OF THE YEAR WHERE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION IS BEGINNING TO BE DIVIDED IN MANY WAYS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DEMOCRATS AND BIDEN FOLKS ARE HOLDING NOW FOR HOPE? >> ABSOLUTELY. THE LAWMAKERS I HEARD FROM SAY SOME ARE STARTING TO QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS. >> THAT CONCLUDES SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL DEBATE. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. CONTINUING COVERAGE ON NBC NEWS NOW. >> WE WILL HAVE A FULL WRAP UP TOMORROW ON TODAY. >> THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, GOOD NIGHT. >> THIS IS NBC NEWS SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, A HISTORIC FACE-OFF. >> A PRESIDENT AND FORMER PRESIDENT, DEBATING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN MAKING HIS CASE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS. FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP FIGHTING TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE BACK. IN THE BIGGEST EVENT YET OF THE 2024 ELECTION. >> IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION, OUR COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE A CHANCE OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT. >> WHERE THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. >> REPORTING TONIGHT FROM THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN ATLANTA. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR STAYING UP WITH US. WE ARE IN THE SPIN ROOM POST DEBATE SURROUNDED BY SUPPORTER . I WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE SPIN ROOM FLOOR. OVER THE LAST 30 MINUTES, THE BIDEN/HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS FINALLY COME OUT, FINALLY ANSWERING QUESTIONS. IT TOOK THEM A WHILE. USUALLY RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE THE CAMPAIGN TEAM COMES OUT WITH A UNIFIED MESSAGE. MY CANDIDATE WON. WHAT WE SAW AFTER THE DEBATE, TEAM TRUMP HAD SURROGATES ALL OVER THE PLACE COMING OUT ATTACKING PRESIDENT BIDEN, ATTACKING HIS MENTAL FITNESS, EVERYTHING HE SAID AND IT TOOK 30 MINUTES FOR THE BIDEN/HARRIS TEAM TO COME OUT HERE. NOW WE HAVE THOSE SPOKESPEOPLE. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT COMING OUT OF THE DEBATE. GOING BACK TO WHAT WE SAW AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP BATTLED IT OUT ON THE DEBATE FLOOR, OVER THOSE 90 MINUTES THE CANDIDATES WERE TRADING BLOWS OVER POLICIES AND PERSONALITIES, BOTH ACCUSING THE OTHER OF BEING THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY AND TAKING THE ECONOMY AND TAKING IT. FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP SLAMMING PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR WHAT HE CALLS A CRISIS AT THE BORDER AND HE CRITICIZED HANDLING OF THE WARS IN GAZA AND UKRAINE. ONE OF THE WORST MOMENTS OR BIDEN WHEN HE LOST TRACK OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ANSWER ABOUT MEDICARE. >> CONTINUING TO STRENGTHEN OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON ELIGIBLE FOR WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH COVID, EXCUSE ME, DEALING WITH EVERYTHING WE HAD TO DO WITH. LOOK, MEDICARE. >> TRUMP LATER QUESTIONING BIDEN'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS. >> WE WILL MOVE UNTIL WE GET A TOTAL BAN. THE TOTAL INITIATIVE, RELATIVE TO WHAT WE DO WITH MORE BORDER PATROL. >> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE. I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAID EITHER. >> TWO SOURCES SAY PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A COLD, YOU COULD CLEARLY HEAR THAT AND BIDEN DID GET IN HIS OWN DAGGERS, INCLUDING THE MOMENT HE BROUGHT UP DONALD TRUMP'S CRIMINAL CONVICTION. >> I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH A STAR. >> WE UNDERSTAND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS GONE TO A WATCH PARTY IN ATLANTA POST DEBATE. LET'S LISTEN IN. >> LET'S KEEP GOING. SEE YOU AT THE NEXT ONE. GOD LOVE YOU ALL. HEADED TO NORTH CAROLINA. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> WE WERE LISTENING TO PRESIDENT BIDEN AT HIS POST DEBATE WATCH PARTY TRYING TO FIRE UP THE CROWD. I WANT TO GET OVER TO CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST CHUCK TODD. QUITE THE DEBATE, UNLIKE ANY OTHER WE HAVE SEEN. I WANT TO GET YOUR ANALYSIS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE DEBATE. >> LOOK, WE BEGAN THE CONVERSATION BEFORE THE DEBATE, WOULD EITHER CANDIDATE LOOK LIKE THE OTHER CARICATURE THE CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO PAINT OF THEM AND AT THE END OF THE DAY JOE BIDEN LOOKS LIKE THE CHARACTER OCCUR THAT CONSERVATIVE MEDIA HAS BEEN PAINTING. YOU SAW BEFORE YOUR EYES. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU JUST WHAT I THINK HERE, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF LEADERS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. ELECTED COALITION LEADERS, THERE IS A FULL ON PANIC ABOUT THIS PERFORMANCE. NOT LIKE WE CAN RECOVER, IT IS MORE OF A, OKAY, HE HAS GOT TO STEP ASIDE. THERE IS A LOT OF THAT CHATTER. AS BAD OF A PERFORMANCE THAT BIDEN COULD HAVE DELIVERED, IF HIS GOAL WAS TO TRY TO SORT OF CALM THE WATERS AMONG DEMOCRATS. A POLL WAS OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT SHOWS A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, RANK AND FILE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTIVE OF BIDEN WHO THINK HE SHOULD NOT BE SEEKING A SECOND TERM. I HAVE A FEELING WE WILL SEE MORE PULLING AND THE NUMBER WILL BE HIGHER. THE PANIC LEVEL AMONG DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE TO SHARE THE BALLOT WITH HIM, THERE IS A FULL ON PANIC. MAYBE THAT WILL CALM DOWN IN THE MORNING, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE, THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER AMONG DONORS, A LOT OF CHATTER AMONG MAJOR ELECTED LEADERS. IF THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, THEY HAVE A LOT OF CALLS THEY WILL HAVE TO START MAKING OR THEY MAY SEE THIS GET MOMENTUM PUBLICLY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN STOP THAT. >> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT. IF YOU OPEN OF ANY NEWS WEBSITE THE HEADLINES ARE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU'RE DEMOCRATIC VOTER, SOMEBODY WHO WILL VOTE FOR THE PARTY AND NOW YOU ARE CONFUSED BECAUSE YOUR PARTY LEADERS ARE CONCERNED. WALK US THROUGH WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT HAPPEN. IS HE GOING TO RUN NO MATTER WHAT? IS THE CONVERSATION TOO EARLY TO HAVE AND IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE DEMOCRATS GET TOGETHER AND IS THERE TIME TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE? >> THAT WAS THE INTERESTING TIMING OF THIS DEBATE. THIS IS INTRIGUING, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WANTS TO DELAY BEFORE YOU PASS THE LAST EXIT, BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION. IF JOE BIDEN DECIDES HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEEK NOMINATION HE CAN RELEASE DELEGATES AND THEN IT BECOMES A OPEN CONVENTION. WE HAVE NOT HAD A REAL OPEN CONVENTION SINCE 1952. THAT BECOMES, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT, A COUPLE OF GOVERNORS. THE HOME STATE GOVERNOR OF ILLINOIS WANTING TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF AN ILLINOIS GOVERNOR FROM 1952 WHO WAS ABLE TO GATHER THAT NOMINATION WHEN THE CONVENTION HANDED IT OVER TO HIM. IT ALL BEGINS WITH JOE BIDEN, HE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO DO THIS. YOU DON'T WALK AWAY FROM THESE THINGS. THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT. YOU FEEL THE FIGHT TONIGHT, THEY TRY TO SAY HE WAS THROWN OFF A LITTLE BIT AT THE BEGINNING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE THROWN OFF WITH INFLATION THE FIRST QUESTION. MAYBE THAT WILL BE ENOUGH TO CALM THE WATER. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. TWO PUBLIC DEMOCRATS TO BE WATCHING TO SEE IF THEY SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO DEMOCRATS, IF THEY WENT PUBLIC I DON'T KNOW JOE BIDEN COULD STOP THE FREIGHT TRAIN. ONE WOULD BE NANCY PELOSI AND THE OTHER WOULD BE BARACK OBAMA. THE MOST INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW IN THIS PARTY AND WHERE THIS COULD END UP GOING. >> INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THE TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN SOME OF HIS BIGGEST SUPPORTERS TO DATE. STRONGEST VOICES TO DATE. DO YOU THINK IT WAS POLITICAL MALPRACTICE TO ANNOUNCE MIDWAY INTO THE DEBATE HE HAD A COLD AND NOT BY PEOPLE KNOW THAT EARLY ON SO THEY COULD OF LOWERED THE BAR SO PEOPLE WERE READY? AGAIN, IT COULD BE SPINNING AND NOT TRUE BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN. >> PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES, DO YOU SEE IT IN ADVANCE LIKE TRYING TO LOWER THE BAR BEFORE? I DON'T HINK THERE IS A GOOD ANSWER. AMONG THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO SAID THAT IS HIS PERFORMANCE AFTER FIVE DAYS AT CAMP DAVID? AFTER RESTING? I THINK THE CAMPAIGN HAD TO COME OUT WITH SOME EXPLANATION BECAUSE I GUESS A COLD IS WHAT THEY HAD TO HANG THEIR HAT ON. >> THANK YOU FOR THE ANALYSIS. YOU RUN THE NUMBERS FOR US AND YOU HAVE GREAT POLITICAL INSIGHT. WHERE COULD A PERFORMANCE LIKE THIS HURT PRESIDENT BIDEN THE MOST? WHICH VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIS AGE? >> IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS THERE WAS A POLL 24 HOURS BEFORE THE DEBATE FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THEY ASKED THE QUESTION THIS WAY, WITH EACH CANDIDATE IS AGE SUCH AN ISSUE THAT THE CANDIDATE IS INCAPABLE OF HANDLING THE JOB OF BEING PRESIDENT? THAT WAS ASKED AND 45% OF THE VOTERS SAY THAT BIDEN'S AGE BEFORE THE DEBATE WAS SUCH THAT HE CANNOT HANDLE THE PRESIDENCY. THE NUMBER FOR TRUMP WITH 16%. 3-1 MARGIN, THAT WAS THE CONCERN LEVEL WHEN IT CAME TO JOE BIDEN, HIS AGE AND THE PRESIDENCY. IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE A WEEK OR SO TO GET SOME GOOD POLL NUMBERS, BUT DOES THAT NUMBER RADICALLY INCREASE AS A RESULT OF THIS? THAT HAS BEEN ONE FEATURE OF THE CAMPAIGN, BIDEN AND TRUMP ARE FOUR YEARS APART IN AGE BUT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS GAP WHEN IT COMES TO CONCERN. THE OPPORTUNITY WAS TO ALLAY THOSE FEARS, 90 MINUTES VIRTUALLY UNINTERRUPTED, BUT THE FLIPSIDE WAS A POOR PERFORMANCE, WITH THE FEARS BE EXACERBATED AND THEN NEXT WITH THE DISCUSSION, NOW IT'S TAKING PLACE IN PUBLIC ON THE AIRWAYS, ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT BIDEN AND ARE WE SURE HE WILL BE THE NOMINEE OR WITH THE PARTY TURN TO SOMEBODY ELSE? I THINK, AGAIN, LET'S SEE IN A WEEK WHAT THE POLLING SHOWS BECAUSE THE REACTION, DOES IT MATCH THAT? >> OKAY, I WANT TO GET OVER TO MODERATOR OF MEET THE PRESS, KRISTEN WELKER. YOU PUT THIS IN A WAY, COMING OUT OF THE DEBATE OF HOW YOU CAN CHARACTERIZE WHAT HAPPENED. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HEADLINES AND CONCERN AMONG DEMOCRATS. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR SOURCES AND IS THIS SOMETHING PRESIDENT BIDEN CANNOT BOUNCE BACK FROM OR IS THERE ENOUGH TIME? >> CERTAINLY THERE IS TIME BEFORE ELECTION DAY, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, BUT WHAT CHUCK SAID IS NO ON THE HEAD, THERE IS WIDESPREAD PANIC FROM DEMOCRATS. I GOT A NUMBER OF TEXT MESSAGES AND DEMOCRATS REACHING OUT TO SAY THIS IS DIFFICULT TO WATCH. WHERE DOES THIS GO FROM HERE? ONE DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER GOING SO FAR TO SEE THIS RACE IS EFFECTIVELY OVER. ON THE BUZZ THAT HAS STARTED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE AN OPEN CONVENTION, THE BELIEF IS DEMOCRATS WILL BE LOYAL SOLDIERS AND CONTINUE TO BACK BIDEN AS LONG AS HE IS IN THE RACE. THAT REALLY CAPTURES THE LEVEL OF PANIC THAT YOU WILL SEE INSIDE DEMOCRATIC CIRCLES. JUST TO STRESS, THE PRESIDENT GOT OFF TO A SLOW START, LOSING HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT AT VARIOUS MOMENTS. GIVING TRUMP OPENINGS WHEN THERE WERE NOT ANY. TALKING ABOUT ABORTION AND PIVOTING TO IMMIGRATION WHICH ALLOWED TRUMP TO GET IN THERE AND LEVEL A NUMBER OF ATTACKS. MANY UNSUBSTANTIATED. I WAS TALKING TO ONE DEMOCRAT WHO SAID WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS SPEAKING FROM HIS HEART, THAT'S WHEN YOU SAW FIRE AND FURY AND HE WAS ON STEADY GROUND, BUT WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO RECALL FACTS AND FIGURES AND GIVE LISTS OF STATS, THAT'S WHEN HE WAS STRUGGLING THE MOST. DEMOCRATS WHO ARE WATCHING THIS AS IT WENT ON THOUGHT HE DID PICK UP STEAM WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT VETERANS, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY. AGAIN YOU ALSO SAW TRUMP BARREL FORWARD. THIS IS WHERE YOU AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE FORMAT OF THE DEBATE COMES IN, THE FACT THAT THE MICROPHONES WERE MUTED MEANT PRESIDENT BIDEN COULD NOT FACT CHECK IN REAL-TIME, HE HAD TO WAIT FOR FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP TO FINISH AND THEN GET IN AND FACT CHECK WHICH IS TOUGH TO DO. IN THIS CASE IT SEEMS TO HAVE BACKFIRED AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN. HOW WILL DEMOCRATS FEEL TOMORROW AND IN THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS, NEXT IS THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION. WE HAVE GOT SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE WE GET TO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION AND A LOT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. >> KRISTEN WELKER THOUGHT -- THANK YOU. JOINING US, SPECIAL GUEST INSIDE THE SPIN ROOM SENATOR TIM SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN A PART OF A LOT OF DEBATES HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT TONIGHT? >> THE MOST PART DOMINANT PERFORMANCE I HAVE SEEN. A POWERFUL AND UNDENIABLE WIN FOR DONALD TRUMP. IT LOOKED LIKE WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S FOR JOE BIDEN. TOUGH TO WATCH AT TIMES BECAUSE JOE BIDEN FROZE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS ANSWERS. IT HAS TO BE SENDING SHOCKWAVES THROUGHOUT THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT. FOR US, WE SAW DONALD TRUMP TALK ABOUT ISSUES WE CARE ABOUT. NUMBER ONE AND TWO ISSUES ARE THE ECONOMY AND THE SOUTHERN BORDER, FRANKLY THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE 24 YEARS OF JOE BIDEN OR TRUMP, IT CANNOT BE MORE CLEAR. >> AS A POWERFUL PERFORMANCE FOR PREISDENT TRUMP OR JUST A VERY BAD NIGHT FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> DONALD TRUMP STAYED ON THE TOPICS THAT AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE ABOUT, FIRST THE SOUTHERN BORDER AND THE SECURITY THREAT AND THEY CARE ABOUT ISSUES, THERE IS NO QUESTION DONALD TRUMP WAS DOMINANT. JOE BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT A REALLY BAD NIGHT, YOU KNOW IT'S BAD WHEN YOUR CAMP STARTS PUTTING OUT HE HAS A COLD BEFORE THE DEBATE IS OVER, TRYING TO LOWER EXPECTATIONS. HE WAS AT CAMP DAVID FOR A WEEK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A STRONG PERFORMANCE. THAT WAS TERRIBLE. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BETTER WORD THAN SILLY WHEN THEY WERE PERFORMING TALKING ABOUT GOLF SCORES AND GOLF SWINGS. >> WE SAW A STRONG DEBATE PERFORMANCE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW DO WE SOLVE THE CRIME RAVAGING NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE ONES I GREW UP IN. HOW DO WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF INFLATION, MAKING SO MANY THINGS UNAFFORDABLE. TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES, BOTH CANDIDATES, AMERICANS GET TO SAY DON'T WANT THIS GUY TO BE PRESIDENT OR THAT ONE? THE ANSWER IS DONALD TRUMP AND I HAVE BEEN HEARING IT ALL NIGHT, DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT, YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG ON THE STAGE WITH JOE BIDEN'S PERFORMANCE. >> PREISDENT TRUMP MAKING BOLD CLAIMS OF ENDING THE WAR IN UKRAINE AND GETTING THE WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTER OUT OF RUSSIA BEFORE HE WAS INAUGURATED. MAKING THOSE CLAIMS, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? >> I HOPE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN HOW DO WE STOP 70,000 AMERICANS FROM LOSING THEIR LIVES TO FENTANYL. WHY IS IT THAT UNDER JOE BIDEN EVERY COUNTY IN AMERICA IS A BORDER COUNTY? WE DESERVE BETTER AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET BETTER IS TO FIRE JOE BIDEN AND HIRE DONALD TRUMP. >> THE PRESENT USE A PHRASE I HAD NOT HEARD BEFORE SAYING IMMIGRANTS ARE COMING INTO THE COUNTRY UNDOCUMENTED AND TAKING BLACK JOBS AND HISPANIC JOBS, WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THAT PHRASE? WHAT EXACTLY DOES HE MEAN AND ASSUMING LOW-WAGE JOBS? WHAT IS YOU HAVE TO INSERT RACE AND ETHNICITY INTO IT? >> THE THING I THOUGHT WAS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL ON IMMIGRATION IS WHEN PREISDENT TRUMP SAID THAT WE SEE VETERANS HOMELESS ON THE STREETS AND YOU CAN CONTRAST THAT AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN LUXURY HOTELS. THAT'S THE MOMENT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE AND SAY I WANT THE GUY WHO WANTS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. >> THE PHRASE BLACK AND HISPANIC JOBS DOES THAT OFFEND SOME VOTERS? >> I DON'T THINK SO. WHETHER YOU ARE A BLACK PERSON OR WHITE PERSON OR HISPANIC OR NATIVE AMERICAN, YOU WANT MORE JOBS, YOU WANT WAGES GOING UP. UNDER DONALD TRUMP WE SO THE BOTTOM WAGE EARNERS SAW WAGES GO UP FASTER THAN THE TOP. THAT TRANSLATES INTO MORE SPENDING POWER. UNDER JOE BIDEN WE HAVE SEEN THE OPPOSITE. $28,000 OF LOST SPENDING POWER OVER 3 1/2 YEARS. TALK ABOUT BLACK OR WHITE JOBS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS DONALD TRUMP PROVIDED MORE AMERICAN JOBS. >> FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP WITH A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT HIS RUNNING MATE, IS THAT GOING TO BE YOU? >> I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHO HE CHOOSES, BUT WHAT WE DO TO COME TOGETHER TO UNITE AMERICA. >> HAVE YOU CHANGE YOUR ANSWER ON THAT? IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WANTED IT BEFORE. >> THE BOTTOM LINE, ANYBODY WOULD BE HONORED TO BE T VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET. THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE MY STORY IS EVEN POSSIBLE. MORE IMPORTANT, IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, IT'S ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND WHAT THAT PERSON WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH FOR EVERYDAY AMERICANS WORKING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. >> SENATOR TIM SCOTT, THINKING. WHEN WE COME BACK, MORE ANALYSIS OF THE DEBATE AND WE WILL HEAR FROM VOTERS, WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THE DEBATE AND THEIR OPINIONS. THAT'S NEXT. >>> HE CAUSED THE INFLATION. I GAVE HIM A COUNTRY WITH NO INFLATION. >> THERE WAS NO INFLATION WHEN I BECAME PRESIDENT BECAUSE THE ECONOMY WAS FLAT ON ITS BACK. >> WELCOME BACK AS WE RECAP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IT IS IMPORTANT TO HERE WITH THE BEST MINDS IN POLITICS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS DEBATE. THE ONLY VOICE THAT REALLY MATTERS IS THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS. IN PENNSYLVANIA WITH ONE OF OUR FOCUS GROUPS, WALK US THROUGH WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THEM AFTER THIS DEBATE. >> A LOT OF SURPRISE FOR WHAT FOLKS HEARD. WE CAME HERE TO PHILADELPHIA, A PLACE WHERE YOU SEE BOTH THE CANDIDATES COME TO IN THE PAST MONTH, TARGETING BLACK VOTERS WHICH CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION. LET'S INTRODUCE THE GROUP BEHIND ME STARTING WITH THE QUESTION OF RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN IN 2020 AND KEEP YOUR HAND UP IF YOU'RE STILL WITH HIM THIS TIME AROUND AFTER THAT DEBATE? SLOWLY GOING DOWN. YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNDECIDED, DID ANYTHING SHIFT AFTER THE DEBATE? >> NOT REALLY SHIFT. UNDERSTANDING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND PROVIDED AND BECAUSE THE PARTY. >> A POLICY CONVERSATION? YOU SAY THE ECONOMY IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, DID YOU LIKE HOW HE RESPONDED? >> I AM HOPEFUL. HOPING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY TO BOOST THE ECONOMY SO WE CAN ALL CONTINUE. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE POSITION AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PRESIDENT, HOW DO YOU THINK HE PERFORMED ON STAGE? >> I WOULD GIVE THEM A C. >> WHY DO YOU FROM THAT GREAT? >> HE WAS NOT INFLUENTIAL. BREAKING DOWN SOME THINGS, I LIKED WHAT YOU SAID, BUT IT WAS MORE OF ME JUST LISTENING TO HIM AND TRYING TO HEAR WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. >> YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE FOR BIDEN COMING INTO THE DEBATE, LEAVING, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING NOW? >> STILL THINKING THE SAME THING. STILL THINKING AS AMERICANS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES. AND SO, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE CHOICE, AT LEAST I HAVE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE CHOICE THAT WILL BE LESS DETRIMENTAL TO MY COMMUNITY. >> AFTER THAT DEBATE YOU CAN SEE BIDEN AS THE BEST OF THE WORST OPTIONS? >> YES, SO I WILL BE VOTING FOR BIDEN. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU SAY BIDEN HAS NOT EARNED YOUR VOTE, BUT YOU WOULD NOT SUPPORT TRUMP. YOU MENTIONED HAMAS AND A LOT OF ISSUES, AFTER THAT DEBATE WHERE IS YOUR MIND AT NOW? >> I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HAMAS. >> THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS. >> I WAS NOT SWAYED, CERTAINLY NOT ON THE ISSUE OF BIDEN WITH UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL. NOTHING HAS SWAYED ME ON THAT ISSUE. THERE WERE SOME THINGS HE SAID THAT I DID LIKE. HE TALKED ABOUT RAISING THE CAP ON SOCIAL SECURITY TO MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. RAISING TAXES ON BILLIONAIRES AS OPPOSED TO TRUMP WANT ANOTHER $5 TRILLION TAX CUT FOR BILLIONAIRES. THAT IS A BIG ISSUE, A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. >> THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND AND WATCHING THE DEBATE. THAT IS THE FIRST REACTION, THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH A LOT OF TOPICS COVERED WE WILL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT. JOINING ME NOW IS HALLIE JACKSON, YOU JUST SPOKE WITH GOVERNOR NEWSOM NOW IT IS A TOUGH NIGHT FOR DEMOCRATS, WHAT DID HE TELL YOU? >> PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR HOW HE THINKS PRESIDENT BIDEN DID AND HE SAID THIS IS A SPIN I HAVE HEARD, THE IDEA THAT IT IS SUBSTANCE OVER STYLE, PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A DECENT GOOD SHOWING WITH A VIEW ON THE MERITS EVEN IF STYLISTICALLY MODEL PEOPLE SAY HE HAD A COLD AND IF THAT IS AFFECTED. I ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN HEARING TONIGHT, THIS IDEA OF PANICKING STARTING TO BUBBLE UP. HE SAID DO MORE AND WORRY LESS, THAT'S THE MESSAGE TO THE DEMOCRATS. EMPLOYING THEM TO GET OUT TO CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO MAKE THE CASE THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE. I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK WITH HALF A DOZEN FOLKS. >> NOT TO WRAP YOU UP, YOU HAVE A SENSE FOR THIS, YOU INTERVIEW SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE I DO, DID YOU FEEL YOU'RE GETTING SPUN OR DO YOU THINK HE WAS TELLING OF THE FULL TRUTH OF THE WAY HE FEELS? >> I MEAN EVERYBODY. >> I KNOW YOU CANNOT READ HIS MIND, HE IS SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY AMBITIOUS, EVERY INTERVIEW, THAT HAS BEEN FLOATED, GOVERNOR OF THE BIG ESTATE, DID YOU GET A SENSE HE BELIEVED WHAT HE WAS TELLING YOU? >> I SHOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN HIS MIND. REMEMBER THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD MAYBE LAST YEAR WHERE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF CONSTERNATION THAT GAVIN NEWSOM WOULD COME OUT TO TAKE ON PRESIDENT BIDEN. TO TAKE THE MENTAL, THE FACT THAT HE IS HERE TONIGHT IS A SIGNAL THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS GLAD TO SEE THAT GAVIN NEWSOM IS ALL IN BEHIND PRESIDENT BIDEN. I WOULD NOT EXPECT HIM TO COME AND SAY, I MEAN IT WOULD BE TRULY SHOCKING BREAKING NEWS IF GAVIN NEWSOM SAID I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD BE REPLACED. HE WILL NOT SAY THAT. NOW YOU ARE HEARING THAT ANONYMOUSLY FROM SOME DEMOCRATS INCLUDING ONE LAWMAKER WHO HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT BIDEN ALL ALONG. >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, WE COVER A LOT OF THESE AND MAYBE IT'S MONDAY MONDAY MORNING WRECKING. THE TRUMP TEAM FLOODED THE SPIN ROOM. WE TALK ABOUT MULTIPLE SENATORS. WITH THE BIDEN TEAM WE HAVE SENATOR WARNOCK, GOVERNOR NEWSOM. THERE ARE FIVE OR 10 TRUMPET SURROGATES IN THE ROOM. FROM A LOGISTICAL AND POLITICAL STANDPOINT IT IS A LITTLE ODD. >> THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN HAS MADE DECISIONS, THEY HAVE ANOTHER EVENT GOING WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN SPEAKING. THEY HAVE WORKED TO COUNTER PROGRAM THAT. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO READ THAT SPACE BUT I WILL SAY FOR THE TRUMP TEAM IT IS VERY CLEAR THIS VICTORY FOR THEM. ACCORDING TO MATT GATES HE WAS JUBILANT ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE. YOU ARE NOT SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT, BUT THEY WANT TO COME OUT AND ONE OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL ADVISORS, IT WAS A LOPSIDED VICTORY AND THE PROCLIVITY FOR DONALD TRUMP TO USE HYPERBOLE SEVERAL SUGGEST THE GREATEST VICTORY EVER IN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY. I BELIEVE THAT TO THE HISTORIANS TO DECIDE. >> IF IT WAS NOT SUCH A BAD NIGHT FOR BIDEN WASN'T A GOOD NIGHT FOR TRUMP? >> NO QUESTION. HE MEANDERED AND LIED ABOUT HIS RECORD ON CERTAIN POSITIONS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ALSO HAPPENED AND OUR COVERAGE REFLECTS THAT. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS GOING INTO TONIGHT'S PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AGE. SO IF YOU ARE TUNING IN TO LOOK FOR ANY REASSURANCE FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN, IT'S NOT CLEAR YOU GOT THAT. >> TUNING IN FOR THE FIRST 30 MINUTES, THAT IS DEVASTATING FOR THE DEMOCRATS. >> THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS SUGGESTING THEY BELIEVE HE GOT STRONGER. HE HAD A COLD AND HE GOT BETTER TO THE EVENING. HOW DO YOU WATCH THE STUFF YOU MISSED? DID YOU WATCH 90 MINUTES? YOU WILL WATCH CLIPS SO THERE WILL BE MOMENTS THEY WILL CLICK AND SHARE LIKE JANUARY 6. >> OKAY, WE DO HAVE TO WRAP UP NOW. A QUICK BREAK, WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH SENATOR JD EVENTS. STAY WITH US. >>> THAT WAS SOME OF THE DEBATE MOMENTS OF THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN 2024. WE ARE JOINED LIVE BY OHIO SENATOR JD EVENTS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT, WE HAD GOVERNOR TIM SCOTT, BUT HE SURE I KNOW WANT TO GO -- GOING TO SAY. >> QUITE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE MEANDERING APPROACH OF JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP, IT CREATED AN INCREDIBLE CONTRAST FOR A GUY WHO I FAILED PRESIDENCY AND A BAD DEBATE VERSUS A SUCCESSFUL RESIDENCY AND SUCCESSFUL DEBATE. SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, THERE IS A REMARKABLE DIFFERENCE IN COMPASSION SHOWN BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES. THE BIDEN BORDER CRISIS WHICH IS ON JOE BIDEN, OF COURSE PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE, NO REAL COMPASSION SHOWN FOR PEOPLE'S CHILDREN KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS, DONALD TRUMP CALLING THE MOTHER OF SOMEBODY KILLED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. THAT DIFFERENCE WILL BE LOST BUT I THINK REALLY IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. COMPASSION. >> I HEAR YOU, BUT FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP HAS A LONG HISTORY OF NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE. HE DID NOT CARE FOR JOHN McCAIN BEING TORTURED IN A VIETNAMESE PRISON, HE DID NOT CALL GOLDSTAR FAMILIES. HE ALSO HAS A LONG RECORD OF NOT SHOWING COMPASSION. >> ANYBODY CAN POINT TO A MOMENT AND SAY DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT, I'M SAYING IN THIS DEBATE IT REVEALED THOSE CRITICISMS ARE A MISREPRESENTATION OF WHO HE IS BECAUSE YOU SEE HIM TALKING ABOUT AMERICANS AFFECTED BY POLICIES OF JOE BIDEN. WHETHER YOU THINK BIDEN HAS BEEN A SUCCESS OR DISASTER, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE HURT BY THE POLICIES. IT'S WEIRD TO ME NOT ONCE DID JOE BIDEN SAY I COULD HAVE DONE BETTER OR I SHOULDN'T HAVE LET THAT PERSON COME IN AND MURDER THESE INNOCENT KIDS. THERE WAS NO REAL SENSE OF COMPASSION AND THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE A MARK. >> OHIO USED TO BE A SWING STATE, MAYBE IT STILL IS, BUT FOR SWING VOTERS WHO ARE THERE WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY GOT OUT OF THE ELECTION? IF YOU ARE DOUBLE HATER IF YOU'RE A SWING VOTER WHAT DID YOU GET OUT OF THIS? >> THERE WERE SOME MOMENTS OF SUBSTANCE, THERE WERE PERSONAL JABS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE BIDEN ACCUSED TRUMP OF CAUSING HIGH INFLATION WHEN DONALD TRUMP LEFT OFFICE INFLATION WAS 1.4%, IT SKYROCKETED. CLEARLY IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE OF GROCERIES OR DOUBLING PRICES OF MORTGAGE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE AND SAY DONALD TRUMP WAS RIGHT. INFLATION WAS LOW AND ELEVATED. I THINK THERE WAS A REAL DIFFERENCE ON FOREIGN POLICY, JOE BIDEN KEPT ACCUSING DONALD TRUMP OF BEING FRIENDLY WITH RUSSIANS AND TRUMP SAID VLADIMIR PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE ON YOUR WATCH, NOT WHEN I WAS PRESIDENT. EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE SOME JOBS I THINK THERE WAS MORE SUBSTANCE. >> FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT DURING THE GEORGE FLOYD PROTEST. IT WAS CONFUSING, HE SEEMED TO LOSE TRACK OF THE TIMELINE. AND IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING. I AM ASKING, I THINK THERE WERE TWO POINT. >> FIRST OF ALL, A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC POLICIES, THE ATTACK ON POLICE, DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT BY DEMOCRATIC MAYORS THAT LED TO A SPIKE IN CRIME AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD DEATH. THE SECOND POINT HE WAS MAKING WAS LOOK, YOU GUYS WENT AFTER A LOT OF PEACEFUL PROTESTERS IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ELECTION IN 2020. YOU LET ALL THESE PEOPLE OFF SCOT-FREE EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE BURNING DOWN AMERICAN CITIES. TRUMP WAS HIGHLIGHTING THE TWO TIERED SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. >> DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A SECONDARY AND THEY WILL AGREE TO IT? >> I HOPE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE. WHETHER YOU LIKE TRUMP OR BIDEN THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT CONTRAST. I HEAR A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS SPINNING THIS. DEMOCRATS RECOGNIZE THIS IS A DISASTER SO THERE WILL BE PRESSURE ON JOE BIDEN NOT TO DEBATE AGAIN. >> DO YOU THINK VOTERS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRUMP TEMPERAMENT AND WERE REASSURED? IT SEEMS WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ABOUT CONVICTIONS, IT SEEMED TO REALLY RATTLE HIM AND GET HIM TO LOSE HIS COOL. WE WERE SAYING TRUMP WAS COMPASSIONATE, CALLING THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF THE MURDERS, BUT HE SEEMED TO LOSE HIS COOL. DID HE STILL LOSE HIS COOL WITH A TEMPERAMENT ISSUE? >> I DID NOT SEE THEM LOSING HIS COOL, I SAW HIM GETTING FIRED UP. WHEN SOMEBODY ACCUSES YOU OR SLANDERED YOU OF CRITICIZING THE TROOPS, OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO PUSH BACK. I THINK HE SHOWED PROPER AMOUNTS OF HUMAN EMOTION AND PUSHING BACK, RETURNING TO THE POINT AND IF YOU WATCH DONALD TRUMP YOU SAY THIS IS A GUY WHO SOMETIMES WILL DO THINGS ANY HUMAN BEING WILL DO, BUT I DON'T THINK HE LOST HIS COOL. >> THIS FEELS LIKE A NEW VERSION OF THE APPRENTICE, YOU SENATOR RUBIO,, TIM SCOTT, YOU ARE FLYING AROUND FOLLOWING FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP, ALMOST FEELS LIKE AN AUDITION. HOW DOES IT FILL FOR YOU? YOU ARE A SENATOR REPRESENTING OHIO AND YOU ARE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT? ARE YOUR DURING THE PROCESS? >> LET ME SAY TWO THINGS. THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF OHIO AND CONTINUE TO BE A GREAT SENATOR AND TO ADVOCATE FOR A PRESIDENT PUTTING THEIR INTEREST FIRST. CAUSING THE BORDER AND BRINGING DOWN INFLATION. WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE VICE PRESIDENT, THE BEST THING I CAN DO NOW WHEN THE SENATE IS IN RECESS IS TO MAKE AN EFFECTIVE ARGUMENT DURING THE HEAT OF THE CAMPAIGN SEASON THAT WE NEED TO WE LIKE BETTER PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON. I WANT THE PEOPLE OF OHIO TO HAVE BETTER LIVES AND THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT IF WE HAVE CORRUPT AND INEFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT. >> THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAD AN EDITORIAL ENDORSING GOVERNOR DOUG BERG TO BE THE RUNNING MATE. MR. VANCE AND RUBIO BRINGS US TO THE TICKET, THAT ROLE IS ALREADY TAKEN, HE WILL NOT DRAW INDEPENDENT AND ON FOREIGN POLICY MR. VANCE WAS A POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL? >> I WOULD NOT SAY THEY ARE NECESSARILY CONSERVATIVE. THEY ARE OBSESSED WITH CAUSING A WAR IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD. THERE WAS POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY TO SAY JOE BIDEN'S UKRAINE POLICY WAS A DISASTER. THAT WAS A POLITICAL MINORITY POSITION, NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE COME AROUND BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE WRITING LIMITLESS CHECKS TO A WAR WITH NO END IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WHAT WE NEED YOUNG OR OLD IS POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP WHO ARE DE-ESCALATING CONFLICT, BRINGING PEACE AND PROSPERITY IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD. THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP AND WHOEVER HE TAKES FOR VICE PRESIDENT, THAT'S WHO WE NEED. >> HAS HE ASKED YOU TO JOIN? >> HE HAS NOT. >> SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HONESTY. WE APPRECIATE IT. STAY WITH US WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >>> IF HE WINS THIS ELECTION OUR COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE A CHANCE OF COMING OUT OF THIS RUT. WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT ANYMORE. >> THE MOST ADMIRED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. >> WELCOME BACK AS WE RECAP THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. WE HAVE A GREAT PANEL LINED UP, TWO OF OUR POLITICAL EXPERTS. FROM THE WEEKEND ON MSNBC AND FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND DIRECTOR FOR THE TRUMP 2020 CAMPAIGN. NOW I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE VIEWERS, WHERE LIVE IN THE SPIN ROOM. INCREDIBLY HARD TO GET DEMOCRATS TO COME OUT HERE. WE HAVE DONE THOSE INTERVIEWS, BUT YOU KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, YOU NEED TO GET THE PEOPLE OUT. WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT AND WHAT'S YOUR TAKE? >> I HAVE HAD TO GO INTO THE SPIN ROOM AFTER A TOUGH PERFORMANCE NOTABLY IN 2019, THE FIRST DEBATE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. I HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE TALKING TO DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS AND THEY SAY IT'S OBVIOUS THE PRESIDENT HAD A COLD TONIGHT, HE WAS FIGHTING A COLD, BUT HE WARMED UP, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IS TRUE AND I TALKED WITH SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO CALLED AND TALKED DURING THE BREAK WHO SAID THEY WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE FUTURE. I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY JOE BIDEN DID NOT HAVE A GREAT NIGHT, DID HE WARM-UP OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEBATE, SURE. WAS HE BETTER ON STAGE AFTER AT THE WATCH PARTY WITH MORE ENERGY? ABSOLUTELY. SO, THAT 90 MINUTES MATTERS. THE QUESTION NOW IS WHAT WILL THE VOTERS SAY? OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS AND DAYS WE WILL HEAR FROM FOCUS GROUPS TALKING TO PEOPLE AND WILL THIS CHANGE LARGE SWATHS OF PEOPLE'S MIND? NO, BUT DID JOE BIDEN HAVE A GOOD NIGHT? >> A LOT OF OUR REPORTERS HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THEIR SOURCES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE HEARING THERE IS A REAL PANIC IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. CAN YOU SEE A SCENARIO WHERE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOT THE NOMINEE OR IS THAT CRAZY TALK AND WE ARE NOT THERE YET? >> I CANNOT SEE THAT SCENARIO. THAT IS A FACT. IF JOE BIDEN WAS GOING TO STEP ASIDE HE WOULD HAVE DONE SO A LONG TIME AGO. I HAVE NOT HEARD AN APPETITE FROM THE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT. I'VE SPOKEN TO ALL OF THE AIDS FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT AND I'VE NOT HEARD ANY CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS WITH THAT MESSAGE. GAVIN NEWSOM WAS A GUEST IN THE SPIN ROOM. HE FORCEFULLY REBUFFED THAT NOTION AND I THINK YOU WILL HELP EVERYONE FROM GAVIN NEWSOM TO KAMALA HARRIS AND OTHERS IN THE HIGH LEVEL OF DEMOCRATS SAYING THE SAME THING. I DON'T THINK THAT IS REALITY. A LOT OF DEMOCRATS WENT TO BED WITH QUESTIONS AND I THINK THEY WILL HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT SOON BECAUSE JOE BIDEN IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN AFTER THE DEBATE AT HIS WATCH PARTY. FORMER PREISDENT TRUMP HAS A HABIT OF STEPPING ON HIS OWN NEWS CYCLE SO IF YOU WERE ADVISING HIM, CLEARLY IT SOUNDS LIKE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT WHAT'S THE ADVICE TO GET HIM TO CAPITALIZE ON THIS? >> STAY ON THE SAME MESSAGE AND TAKE IT TO VIRGINIA WHICH IS A BLUE STATE IN PLAY. I AGREE, I DO NOT THINK JOE BIDEN WILL BE REPLACED AS A CANDIDATE. I DON'T THINK THE POLITICS WORK FOR THEM BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD BE STUCK WITH KAMALA HARRIS WHO IS EVEN MORE UNPOPULAR. >> OR ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT THEY COME TOGETHER AROUND THE CONVENTION. >> THE PROBLEM IS YOU ARE BLEEDING BLACK VOTERS,. >> A GREAT POINT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAY RIGHT THERE WE HAVE RFK JUNIOR, HE WANTS TO BE ON THE DEBATE STAGE, HE WILL JOIN US LIVE. STAY FOR THAT. >>> ABSENT FROM TONIGHT'S DEBATE WAS THE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE ROBERT KENNEDY JUNIOR JOINING US LIVE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR COVERAGE. YOU DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE DEBATE WITHOUT GETTING 15% IN FOUR NATIONAL POLLS OR GETTING ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES, YOU HAVE THREE POLLS, WITHOUT A PRESENCE ON THE STAGE YOUR LONGSHOT CAMPAIGN GETTING LONGER, WILL YOU QUALIFY FOR THE SEPTEMBER DEBATE? >> I THINK SO. WE DID QUALIFY FOR THE DEBATE WE WERE IN FIVE POLLS INCLUDING FOUR, ONE BY CNN. ONE OF THE COMPANIES, THE APPROVED COMPANIES BY CNN, CNN ARBITRARILY HAD THROWN OUT THE POLL EVEN THOUGH I WAS AT 17%. CNN DID NOT WANT ME ON THE STAGE, THEY MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE ADMINISTRATIONS TO KEEP ME OFF THE STAGE. I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO QUALIFIED EVEN SLIGHTLY TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES WITH 270 VOTES, SIGNATURES TO GET ME ON THE BALLOT IN THOSE STATES, ENOUGH TO GET 340 ELECTORAL VOTES SO I QUALIFIED AND BY THE WAY NEITHER TRUMP OR BIDEN ARE ON THE BALLOT IN ANY STATE AND THEY ARE NOT THE NOMINEES OF THEIR PARTIES. >> I AM LOOKING, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT SOME STATS GIVEN TO ME BUT IT SAYS EVEN YOUR OWN CAMPAIGN SAYS YOU ARE OFFICIALLY ON THE BALLOT IN EIGHT STATES, HOW WOULD YOU GET TO 270? >> WE HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES TO GET ON THE BALLOT IN OTHER STATES BUT THOSE STATES WILL NOT REGISTER US UNTIL AUGUST. SO YOU KNOW WE HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES. WE ARE COMPLETELY QUALIFIED. THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF SIGNATURES WE NEED. THESE STATES UNDER THEIR OWN PROCEDURES DO NOT REGISTER YOU UNTIL AUGUST SO BASICALLY CNN CHOSE CRITERIA THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE. WE GOT A LOT CLOSER THAN TRUMP OR BIDEN, THEY ARE NOT ON THE BALLOT IN ANY STATES. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT? WERE YOU ABLE TO WATCH? >> I THINK 10 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED MY DEBATE, WE HAD A VIRTUAL DEBATE WHERE I WAS ON THE STAGE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PREISDENT TRUMP AND IT WAS ON LIVE ON X. LIVE STREAMED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE DEBATE. SO WHAT I THOUGHT OF IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS DEPRESSING. WE HAVE 341 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT WAS A DEBATE THAT WAS FILLED WITH VITRIOL AND ANGER AND FINGER-POINTING. NONE OF IT TALKED ABOUT, NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT REALLY CONCERN AMERICANS. 70% OF THE PEOPLE THE COUNTRY, WE HAD A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF THESE TWO, 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ARE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR BASIC HUMAN NEEDS. I RUN INTO PEOPLE EVERY DAY, ELDERLY PEOPLE SPLITTING PRESCRIPTION PILLS TO MAKE THEM STRETCH OUT FOR THE WEEK. OTHERS WHO ARE DOWNGRADING THE INGREDIENTS AT THE CHECKOUT LINE AT THE GROCERY STORE. YOUNG COUPLE I RAN INTO A NEW HAMPSHIRE WHO WERE ARGUING IF THE CRYING BABY IS $50 SICK OR $100 SICK BEFORE THEY TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. AMERICANS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SUFFERING LIKE THAT. >> MR. KENNEDY, I DO WANT TO ASK AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. AT SOME POINT THE CAMPAIGN TEAM SAYS THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ON THE BALLOT, WHO WOULD YOU THROW YOUR SUPPORT BEHIND? >> WHAT I SAID TO PRESIDENT BIDEN IS THAT RIGHT NOW, I AM THE ONLY ONE OF THE TWO OF US THAT BEATS DONALD TRUMP. PRESIDENT BIDEN CANNOT BEAT PREISDENT TRUMP. IN THE BIGGEST POLLS I AM BEATING PREISDENT TRUMP, I BEAT PRESIDENT BIDEN 39 STATES TO 11 IN A LANDSLIDE. I'M NOT THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE WITHDRAWING FROM THE RACE. WHAT I SAID, IN OCTOBER WHOEVER OF US IS LESS LIKELY TO BE DONALD TRUMP WILL WITHDRAW. I WILL TAKE THAT PLEDGE. >> WILL HAVE ONE MINUTE. I WILL LOOK OUT FOR THOSE POLLS. NOBODY ON THIS PLANET MAY BE A FEW PEOPLE EXCEPT FOR YOUR RELATIVES KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF A VICE PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE CHOSEN NICOLE SHANAHAN, A LAWYER FROM SILICON VALLEY WHAT QUALIFIES HER TO BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF? PARTICULARLY WANTED PEOPLE, A.I. WHICH IS ONE OF THE GREATEST CHALLENGES THAT FACE OUR COUNTRY. WE COULD TURN IT INTO SOMETHING VERY PRECIOUS OR WE COULD TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE PERIL FOR US. THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERT ON THAT RIGHT NOW IN THE CABINET I THINK IS CATASTROPHI . >> MR. KENNEDY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT DOES IT FOR US. A SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR GUESTS AND ALL OF OUR TEAM ON NBC NEWS WORKING HARD IN INDIANA, WASHINGTON DC. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>> THE GLOVES COME OFF IN THE FIRST DEBATE OF 2024. CANDIDATES CRASHING OVER THE ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION AND ABORTION ACCESS BUT DOES IT CHANGE THE MIND OF VOTERS? >>> THE SUPREME COURT BACK IN THE FIGHT OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ALLOWING REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IN IDAHO BUT THE BATTLE ISN'T OVER YET. >>> THE MIDWEST BRACING FOR ANOTHER DAY OF RAIN AFTER DEVASTATING FLOODING. WE ARE TRACKING THE NEW THREAT. >>> AMAZON PRIME TO TAKE ON THE COMPETITION FROM DISCOUNT GIANTS . >>> AN HISTORIC LAYUP FOR THE LAKERS. LeBRON JAMES CLEARING THE WAY FOR THE FIRST FATHER-SON DUO. IT IS FRIDAY, JUNE 28th. EARLY TODAY STARTS RIGHT NOW. >>> GOOD MORNING. WE ARE GLAD YOU ARE UP WITH US. I AM FRANCIS RIVERA. >>> THE FIRST PRETTY -- PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF 2024. BIDEN GOT OFF TO A SLOW START, LAST MONTH WHILE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP REPEATEDLY MADE FALSE CLAIMS. A BIDEN AIDE TELLS NBC NEWS THE PRESIDENT HAS A COLD. HE DID GET AN ATTACK IN ABOUT HIS OPPONENTS LEGAL BATTLE. >> FOR DOMESTIC A WOMAN IN PUBLIC, FOR HAVING SEX WITH A PORN STAR WHILE YOUR WIFE IS PREGNANT AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU ARE AN ALLEY CAT. >> I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR. >> WHAT DID THE CANDIDATES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT VOTERS ARE WORRIED ABOUT? PUT BACK THE DEBATE KICKED OFF A QUESTION THAT IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT MOST VOTERS SAY TOPS THE LIST, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ECONOMY. THE SITTING PRESIDENT AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT SPARRED OVER WHO IS TO BLAME ABOUT THE RISING INFLATION. PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYING THE ECONOMY WAS A FREEFALL WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE. >> IF YOU HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS DONE DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION, HE DID NOT DO MUCH AT ALL. BY THE TIME HE LEFT, THERE WAS CHAOS AND SO WE PUT THIS BACK TOGETHER AND CREATED JOBS. >> THE ONLY JOBS HE CREATED WERE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. HE HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB. HE HAS DONE A POOR JOB AND INFLATION IS ABSOLUTELY