CRYSTAL MANGUM STORY , AUTOPSY REPORT EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW PART 2

[Music] [Music] one to accept this call i thank you for using global tail link hello hey how you doing hello how you doing today how you doing good how's your day going pretty good um a little bit uh later in the afternoon so um if some things that kind of kind of slow down a little bit so that's that's a good thing all right crystal um i had to call back so we could do a second interview to touch on some things that you didn't touch on on the first interview you know of course of course yeah and i i felt that it was important to talk about the retaliation that i received from the duke lacrosse case which is to me more important than the actual case itself because that's what uh split me up from my family and that's what actually led me to prison um for now 11 years so um yeah i just i just kind of wanted to talk about um how how it all began and how they were able to get away with uh framing me for murder uh my part in it as well so to begin with i like to say that the reason why um they charged me with first degree murder to begin with was for retaliation in my role for my role in the this lacrosse case they wanted me to look bad uh they wanted to send a message to me and to society uh that the duke name and the duke structure was there was nothing to be um fought against or um to to to try to come up against all the power and privilege is is not something that you can um argue with or fight against and which to me i really had no choice because i was fighting for my life um the night of april the third when i got into the altercation with my my living boyfriend reginald dave perfect all began when his cousin found out that i was the crystal mangum from the dusseldorf case and once the lead investigator found out who i was they sent out the police cars and that's when everything all began i found out that investigator bond the lead investigator who took the lead to charge me was upset because her friend um investigator clayton and investigator hyman were the ones that were in charge of the duke cross case and they ended up getting fired because they were at the center of it and so she had a vendetta against me to begin with and she should not have been involved in in the murder case at all because she had um she was biased in the beginning so um that pretty much pretty much set the stage for everything else um when i uh about a year into um being charged for murder my attorney uh chris shella had given me the prosecution discovery and my friend at the time who's my fiance now uh was able to go through the discovery and he realized that the autopsy and the medical records weren't adding up and that that set the stage for a whole different investigation so then we started investigating the medical issues uh and then we realized that the autopsy was wrong and that the autopsy was saying that he had injuries that the medical records that were unsubstantiated in the medical record so that that set up red flags so i filed uh several motions after firing my attorney representing myself in in jail i found several motions trying to get those charges dismissed but investigator bond who had the vendetta against me um and used the the uh duke lacrosse case as leverage she uh used the robbery charge to um to um making a first degree murder charge so um they wouldn't they wouldn't drop either one of the of the charges the larceny or the murder charge so um later on during my trial i realized that the medical examiner said that he made a mistake on the autopsy he says that my boyfriend died from an infection and then he didn't die from the actual stab wound initially in an autopsy he said that he died from six different injuries which is what the autopsy says so he refuted his own autopsy and i um asked my attorney to question him on the stand and he told me to be quiet and i almost got thrown out of court on that day because i wanted to ask a question and they wouldn't allow me to i had to go through my attorney and my attorney refused to allow me to speak so he basically got away with purging himself um and like to this day we i don't understand like where there are six different organs injured the medical record says that there was only one organ injured there are no pictures in the autopsy none of this was answered during the trial um dr nichols who wrote the authorized report says that there was only one injury there weren't six injuries as he stated in the autopsy so um he admitted that what he what he'd written in the autopsy was incorrect and he signed off on it and no one called that into question the judge my attorney the prosecution no one um the jury didn't even have questions so it just kind of went without notice so at the end of the trial that was one of the things that i wanted to bring up so fast forward uh years later a well-renowned physician in 2019 wrote a report stating that my boyfriend died in a recovery course from um alcohol withdrawal and not from the staff and he says that because there were no pictures in the autopsy report and because the authorized report um doesn't coincide with the medical records that it can't be um and it can't be used it shouldn't it should never have been used in court law and basically he says that the manner of death was because what should have been considered an accident and not homicide and the cause of that was an incorrect introduction from duke hospital so basically duke hospital was responsible for my boyfriend's death um so i try to get uh dr mandy cole and i wrote her a letter to secretary of state in may um of 2000 of last year i wrote her a letter asking her to um ask the medical examiner's office to reopen my case and she refused but the doc another lady daddy auntie had her case um opened in 2013 and she was exonerated after her husband died while she choked him because they determined that he had a heart attack while she was choking him so she wasn't responsible for his death so my question was how was that different from what happened with my boyfriend where he died from alcohol withdrawal and not from the sad one no one argued that because she because um she showed him that and he died that he was responsible but they would argue that because i stabbed reginald and he died that i was responsible the only difference between me and her is that i'm black and she's white um she did a year and i've done eleven and i have to do four more so i wrote her a letter and basically she ignored me until i had a representative my fiance had a representative to write to her and she basically told him that she would not look into my case so i'm still trying to bring awareness to my case and it feels to me to this day it's shocking that it's going this far like for our fraudulent autopsy that's the basis for my conviction to for for my conviction to have gone this long based on the quality of an autopsy to me is just overwhelming i just can't believe that i'm still here um and then on top of that i was defending myself so you have not only was i defending myself but i'm in here for a crime that wasn't even committed based on of um retaliation because of my role in the duke lacrosse case and before the um me2 movement you know i'm a black woman and i went up against some powerful white men but a lot of times black women are forgotten in this you know because you have black men and i love black men and i stand behind black men and i'm angry that black men are dying and getting shot and then you have white women who are being taken advantage of by rich and powerful men but let's not forget our sisters out here too i mean we all got to come together and stand against the privilege you know i mean with one segment of society forgotten that one piece of the program we um we're just not going to be as strong if we don't come together i mean let's not let society forget that one piece of the population this would abuse women and minority women out here so i mean i was done wrong and i'm still being done wrong and my kids are suffering my health is declining and i'm i'm i'm being punished for something that i had nothing to do with in both in both cases um i wasn't trying to home reginald he was trying to harm me i wasn't trying to harm the duke lacrosse team they were trying to harm me and yet i'm the one that's suffering they're doing fine i mean you know reginald's not doing fine but i didn't come after him i was defending myself and i know his family was upset with me and i know that you have 60 seconds remaining um can you um call me back so you can finish saying what you're saying one more time yeah i come right back remember where you left go okay okay for complaint procedures or to block future calls dial one eight thank you for using global tail link all right christian welcome back yeah um thanks for having me thanks for letting me continue to tell my story um yeah so i know that his family was upset with me and i know that they've lost their uncle their son their nephew and the prosecution was using their loss and their pain to get a conviction and what they did to the day family was wrong because the prosecution and the d.a they knew that i was innocent from day one they had all the evidence they had the autopsy report they knew that i was innocent of the largely chosen action they knew that there was no way that i stole money orders written out for the apartment complex where i lived and and staffed my boyfriend in order to steal money orders written out to the apartment complex where i lived and that caused an argument they knew that but they they played on the day's pain and their grief in order to make them angry so that they could come after me you know and for retaliation for the duke cross case and i'm upset over that too because even though reginald and i had a disagreement that night i'm i'm upset and i'm sorry about his death he should not have passed away at such an early age and for the prosecution to use use his death because he said to the prosecution he was just another black man and if i had been any other woman his his his um death would not have been an issue and to be honest i mean i would not probably have done a day in jail and and that that was the part that was really upsetting me and how they played today family and i wanted to reach out to them and i wanted them to know that duke hospital was responsible for their loved ones death and not me not because only because i wanted to prove my innocence but because i was upset that they were trying to cover up for duke hospital and the real purse the real people responsible for his death um so i just i want the truth to come out um for them to get closure for society to know the truth about who duke really is and the extent that they will go to um the people that they will harm to protect their name the money that they will spend the people that they will destroy their names um in order to even um to protect their name and to protect their their riches their fame um dr wett's report should should be public knowledge and i i want to find a way to get it out there and to have an investigation done into dr nichols autopsy report and the real cause of reginald's death which is duke hospital and uh medical malpractice and and not a homicide my kids have had to suffer the most they are trying to make it on their own without their mom's guidance and leadership and love and support and it's really hard for them right now when i left they were seven nine and three and spend eleven years taken away from them that they'll never get back but it's not too late to make it right like i said this is retaliation um before the me too error but now during the metoo era let's let's not leave a segment of our population out there's other women in here that have similar stories just like mine and we all need to be heard not judged not pre-judged or labeled but really heard and for people to just understand that things are not always just black and white so [Music] i just i think our nation is tired of seeing one system of justice for the privileged and another system for less privilege and it's a time you know for us to see everybody being treated equally um based on truth you know mercy and truth and not look at the differences that divide us with the things that bring us together now i think that's why we you know i don't want to get into politics or anything but i think that's why we had a change in presidency because we want to see something different so but yeah um dr webb argued that um you know a lot of people said that because i stabbed reggie reggie that and put him in the hospital that and he died that i was responsible for his death but dr wet wrote in his report that um there was an intervening cause that broke the chain of events and and that was the uh his episode with the delirium tremens related to alcohol withdrawal just like in the donnie after case where uh sherrod empty was suffered a heart attack while he's being choked so i'm just asking people to look at things from from an honest point of view and from a fair point of view and and to just be fair and not not to have preconceived notions and biases based on what they've heard and and i want to thank you for your time and for allowing me to speak and and i hope that people get a better understanding of my innocence and why i feel like i'm innocent and why i feel like my case should be re-evaluated and more um should be done to to look into my case and the dr white's report should be taken into account you have any now questions don't have any questions you pretty much uh explain a great deal of information very important information that um people in general don't know and should know and i want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to present this part of your story to the community um like you said shape like this goes on a lot in the criminal justice system especially for african american people and this is what's important about this second part of the interview to bring awareness to what really happened in your case how your freedom was sold from you because of something that they wrongly accuse you for to cover up another case that happens in christ and like i said yeah basically thank you for having us thank you and i i hope i was able to explain things in a um accurate way in a coherent way and able to help people to understand better and hopefully in the future i have more time and and in my books i'll be able to explain more can you tell the uh the people that have to listen to the interview the name of the book that you have written so far where they can go find it yes yes um well the first book that i wrote was in 2007 and it's already out it's called last dance for grace and it's basically um an autobiography from the time that i was a little girl up until the duke lacrosse case and it can be found on amazon and um yeah it can be found on amazon and basically any other major book book website and the second book that i wrote is called his story her past and it's basically a compilation of basically relationships that i've been in and how they've failed both mistakes that i've made and mistakes that other people have made and how we can learn to learn to grow from each other men and women and the third book is called last plea for grace and it's basically about the time from the duke lacrosse case up until now and it it talks about um of course a little bit about the duke lacrosse case but mostly about my time in prison and people that i met and um how i spent my time in prison and those two books haven't come out yet but they should be out before this year is over all right crystal protect you from participating in this second interview which is very important and i want you to keep your head up and keep praying things will work out for you i know it and um you know keep in trouble and we'll talk very soon okay thanks vernon it's always good talking to you all right so you know give me a call this week and uh so we can talk some more okay okay well okay just to enjoy your day i'll talk to you soon okay