you worked on some great Ensemble casts obviously the one we just mentioned obviously Shogun which you again congratulations on the nomination which is just so amazing I'm so happy for you but the other things that we as we were talking about the first thing when I asked you that question earlier about it were there roles that you thought maybe the first show that you actually brought up it just in that conversation was lost obviously and the the from the things that you had been um how it changed your career and how that now what you heard on Michael rosenbom show for what you had said inside of that interview was that the first it was a guest it was a guest rooll so you do you do the role you go okay this is cool I got a good spot I love the show my wife and I love the show we had a kind of a who's going to get the who's going to get it first whoever gets it first we'll go out to dinner or whatever it might be and you do and you get get it but then it turns into this major role um so if you can talk about that a little bit where that phone call of no no no the guest it's not it's not a guest role because that show always like I love that show one of my favorite shows of all time but it always confused me into like they didn't have that mapped out already they didn't have like Richard comes in they didn't did they know Richard was coming back or they just didn't know or you did such a great job they like yeah let's bring him back um thank you I I it's a great question and and um but to answer that they they did not have everything mapped out and they're they're pretty open about that D Carlton or uh Damon lindoff Carl hus or you know the the the showrunners and writers creators they they're very open about the fact that uh they knew where it was going to start when they knew there it was going to end on on Jack's eye open on his eye close on his eye uh and everything else was sort of movable Parts which was sort of freeing to them you know in a sense you know and but they did map out every every season thematically so there there was definitely a theme to each season and that was cohesive but I think there were definitely moving Parts all along and I think what they what they did is they they went to what what what uh what they felt was you know responding I mean they responded to what whatever they felt was working on on their dailies you know whatever you know they came over and I think the they were intrigued I I imagine they were intrigued by the notion of of of uh Richard uh having some kind of a history with you know the dharm initiative and after the episode with Juliet Lewis jul sorry with with Juliet uh after after uh he was introduced there it was like well who is this kind of weird guy who's just killed her husband to recruit her to come on the island what is what is you know what's that about and do we and how do we bring him back you know if that was in the past how does he sort of materialize and I think it was just sort of a i benefited from the fact that it was a very eerie and mysterious storyline and and I was there's no no question about that that part of that was was was certainly not me it was just the fact that my characters shrouded in mystery and it only became more of a mystery as we discovered that he didn't seem to age yeah and then it was like that at that point I thought I think you know maybe I might be here a little bit longer because at some point they'll have to explain that you know uh and so so the the more mystery he was shrouded in the more I thought I think I have a chance of living a little longer than I thought um and and lo and behold you know that that's kind of what happened