>>> FIVE DAYS FROM TODAY, TONIGHT, VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND EX-PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WILL COME FACE TO FACE WITH THE FIRST TIME, PERHAPS THE ONLY TIME ON A DEBATE STAGE IN PHILADELPHIA. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AGREED TO THE RULES SET OUT BY ABC NEWS. ABC NEWS IS HOSTING THIS DEBATE. IT WILL MIRROR THE JUNE DEBATE BETWEEN TRUMP AND PRESIDENT BIDEN. THE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED. SO WITH EVERYTHING LOCKED IN NOW, ALL THAT'S LEFT IS FOR DONALD TRUMP, AS HE HAS DONE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE EVERY DEBATE TORKS SPEND THE NEXT FIVE TAS MOVING THE GOALPOST, LOWERING EXPECTATIONS FOR HIMSELF, ATTACKING THE MEDIA. HE DID IT LAST NIGHT IN A SEAN HANNITY SAFE SPACE ATTACKING THE NETWORK OVER THE DEBATE HE AGREED TO. DAVID JOLLY, I THINK IT'S A SHRINKING AUDIENCE THAT'S FOLLOWING THE THREAD ON ALL OF TRUMP'S ZIGGING AND ZAGGING ON THE DEBATE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS TRUMP KNOWS HE BENEFITS FROM HIS RANTING AND RAVING, OR IF HE DOESN'T, HIS CAMPAIGN KNOWS HE BENEFITS. BUT I DON'T THINK IT HURTS HAIRS EITHER WAY. I THINK THIS IS SUCH -- I DON'T WANT TO SET EXPECTATIONS IN A FALSE PLACE FOR HER EITHER, BUT SUCH AN ADVANTAGE TO HER IN THIS SETTING IN PARTICULAR. >> SURE. I'M NOT SURE THIS DEBATE MATTER S TO DONALD TRUMP -- HOW DONALD TRUMP PERFORMS IN THIS DEBATE REALLY MATTERS. WE KIND OF KNOW WHO HE IS. THE COUNTRY KNOWS WHO HE IS. WE'LL SEE HIM ANGRY AND INSULTING AND, IN MANY WAYS, THAT'S BAKED INTO THE AMERICAN PEOPLES' MINDS. AMERICANS WILL LOOK TO TAKE A MEASURE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT. IT MAY ACTUALLY BE LESS ABOUT HER EXCHANGES WITH DONALD TRUMP. WE REMEMBER THE HILLARY CLINTON EXCHANGES AND THE JOE BIDEN EXCHANGES WITH DONALD TRUMP. AGAIN, THE ANGRY, BORISH DONALD TRUMP. BUT IT MAY COME IN EXCHANGE WITH THE MODERATORS. TO SEE SERIOUS PUSHING LIKE WE'LL SEE IN INTERVIEWS WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT. DID YOU HAVE A ROLE IN THE PLANNING FROM THE WITHDRAWAL OF AFGHANISTAN. WHAT WAS YOUR ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY OR CERTAIN DECISIONS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. LESS WHAT SHE ANSWER, THAN HOW SHE ENGAGES. AND CERTAINLY HER STRENGTH AND CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH DONALD TRUMP. WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR, SHE'S GOING TO HOLD A COMMAND ON THAT STAGE AND PUT DONALD TRUMP IN HIS PLACE. AND I THINK THAT CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES WILL PLAY FAVORABLY. AND HARRIS, WHO SHOWS STRENGTH AND COMMAND AND THE ABILITY TO ROOT FOR THE COUNTRY INSTEAD OF ROOTING AGAINST IT, THOSE EXCHANGES WITH THE MODERATORS, I DO THINK MATTER. AND THAT'S WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL GET TO SEE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IN A WAY THAT THEY HAVE SEEN DONALD TRUMP BEFORE. THEY PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY MADE A JUDGMENT OF TRUMP, BUT MAYBE NOT YET ON HARRIS. >> DAVID, I HAVE TO GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ABOUT THIS DEATH OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HOW THE DEMOCRATIC COALITION ABSORBS AS MANY VOTERS AS THEY CAN AHEAD OF NOVEMBER. >> I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET RIGHT. I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION BOTH HEILEMANN AND MATT ALLUDED TO IT WITH YOUR CONVERSATION. I THINK THAT CHENEY ENDORSEMENT, WHAT WE SAW IN THE DEMOCRATIC STAGE IS AN INFLECTION POINT FOR THE VOTING BEHAVIOR OF NEVER TRUMP REPUBLICANS. CHENEY AND KINZINGER AND OTHERS WEREN'T THERE YET TO PULLING THE LEVER FOR A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. THEY ARE NOW. BUT THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE COALITION ACTUALLY FOR TODAY'S DEMOCRATS. THEY SUGGEST THEY WANT TO BUILD FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. YOU COULD SEE A CHENEY AND HARRIS BACK ON AN RNC STAGE SUPPORTING A NIKKI HALEY OR A CANDIDATE LIKE THAT SHOULD SOMEONE EMERGE. BUT I THINK WHAT IS SO QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT IN 2024, WE JUST GOT WHISPERS OF IN 2020, THE NEW DEMOCRATIC COALITION IS KIND OF AMERICA'S COALITION. A LOT OF THE EARLY NEVER-TRUMP REPUBLICANS ARE ACTUALLY BECOMING SOFT DEMOCRATS. THAT IS WHERE THE POWER OF THIS HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND TODAY'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS HARNESSED. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY DURING A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION TO GROW A COALITION AND MOVE REPUBLICANS TO DEMOCRATIC REGISTRANTS. THE VOTES OF EVERYBODY AGAINST DONALD TRUMP MATTER. BUT THE CHENEY AND KINZINGER VOTES MAY NOT BE THERE, BUT A LOT OF THESE OTHER REPUBLICAN VOITS