Jess catches us up on the Karen Read trial 👀

and put it on the Pod so oh yes lovely Welcome to our open Taps I'm Mara I'm Jess hey hey it's been a while so we officially deserve points because we have attempted to record multiple times many times I promise it's always no it's not you it's AT&T it is SL streamyard we don't know it's starting to be antiblack at this point I don't I mean listen hey there's there's two people on this podcast one is white one is black and you do the math so yeah the um I was gonna say dang it literally I've been lately going to say something and it just like disappears and I'm like do I need to start playing soku like I'm worried I'm concerned about my f my future brain but I what I was going to say I was like you we you did procure an ethernet cord yeah we don't we don't know what's going on so we decided to try to do a a live version yeah because that way if we had audio issues or like lagging stuff people are a little bit more understanding yeah when it's live um but of course today Jess's internet 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comments as we go I'll try to start star ones but I think we'll we'll try to focus on mostly talking with each other and then once we are wrapping up maybe we'll go back and yeah and look at comments but thank you for those who are here because I didn't think anybody really would be here we have like 40 people right now oh my God that's so many I didn't think anyone would come so this is so nice that's Sarah boom that's Sarah Boon and she now has her 10th lawyer my God somebody volunteered it's crazy that's that's another day but yeah no so that is not this Karen re the only thing I about Karen Reed is that they say she hit someone with her car that's and that there's a corrupt detective involved in some way but that's all I know so J I would just like to prefence preface with saying uh the amount of like information and updates is overwhelming so I may not I'm not g to have everything I have like a general I have a Google doc and a whiteboard but even that okay oh God it's not covering everything because there's been so much and every day I swear I get on Tik Tok and it's like new person fired or something with this case so Karen Reed case takes place in Massachusetts um okay and yeah what other what other True Crime things do we know about in Massachusetts I know there was that man who was Googling all the stuff about his wife yes cuz I remember that th Boston accent on that da and he like literally was Googling like how long does it take a b to it was Grim um sir yeah so I know he was there I'm trying to think if there's any other message she it's true crime stuff I know about that's the only one that comes to mind it's not like Utah or Idaho or Arizona where we're like getting to know the laws or Florida because there's so many cases I mean at this point actually I'm like see that no in Utah law the way it works actually in Idaho there is no uh uh Not Guilty by reason of insanity plea thank you very much correct because if Lor Val deell ain't getting it nobody's getting it a time no I have a whiteboard but I don't think it's it's more for me to okay well if if I need to Spotlight the Whiteboard just let me know and I'll I'll pull it up it's kind of too hard to to get in here but Karen Reed now her name is like how Bri put Karen Reed I thought it is R it is re a um so it's the there's a trial there was a trial the common wealth of Massachusetts versus Karen Reed um and so this whole case the victim his name is Jon o'keef a former well he was a Boston police officer oh okay you'll notice the theme here a lot of popo but he was a Boston police officer okay that's a very important context I had not heard that yeah and this happened in Jan anuary 2022 but the trial was just this year yes um and so in Canton massachus I think that's where it happened so Karen Reed was his girlfriend at the time and it is alleged that she they got into an argument like she was dropping him off at a friend's house for a party okay but she backed into him and left him for dead in the cold so like a hit and run kind of a thing okay yes because the charges brought against her was second deegree murder uh vehicular man or was manslaughter while operating a vehicle Under the Influence because they had were at a bar and then uh came she went to drop them off of the house and the third one was leaving the scene of a fatal accident where the charges the Commonwealth brought against her okay and um I don't know what kind of money she I don't know her a lot about her or her family but she has really great attorneys lucky for her really great attorneys okay because had she not had her attorneys I mean they were the ones who did any investigation in this case this is like one like a real corrup it's not just homeboy what's his face Proctor sounds like it's like a whole yes okay yes because in my numerous voice notes I've sent to Mara I feel like it was just a bunch of there were like three trials going on at once with like just corruptness or the judge was shady which also this [Music] judge oh okay she as bad as the YSL oh I don't know she's that okay because that was crazy you know there's questions there so we have Karen she is the defendant accused of Hitting and Running for her boyfriend so where his body is found oh my God so hard okay so sorry stay with me I'm I'm with you I'm locked in where his body is found is at the Alberts there's two family names that will become a thing there's the Alberts and the mades so the Alberts Brian Albert former police former police officer um is his brother I don't know if his brother's also a police officer but there's multiple police involved in this because like John o' he's friend with he's friends with cops that makes sense if he's a cop uh so he was found like outside their house it snowed and uh so they think like I think it was like partially the they're saying partially her hitting him but also like the cold because he like fell in like a snowb and then like they're saying and his body kind of got covered up right like exposure to the elements kind of thing yes however comma um then the next day when she comes back to like I forgot how it happened she comes back but she's like with someone else and they're alleging people alleg that she was like I hit him I hit him I hit him they're like oh she's guilty but some of the First Responders were like I didn't hear that or some people were saying it was just like a kind of a shock thing like I hit him more of a question mark I was gonna say that could just be like a you find someone dead and you're freaking out because you're like did I like yes did I do that yeah did I do that the the same day his body is discovered so like the accident would have happened like at 2 am so it's like technically the same day but later when they Michael Proctor who I think you've heard about the most yes Trooper Trooper Michael Proctor oh he's a trooper okay Super Trooper yeah he gets they get assigned to this case he ends up the the pitiful investigation that he did do he whatever collection of evidence interviewing people he he does not say anything about knowing the family who his body like the family like he knew this family where his body was found the Alberts okay and he also knew another family who was there but he he doesn't mention that he doesn't say that he's still the lead investigator of this case and he does not admit that he didn't he doesn't say anything until her defense is like you know these people and he's trying to be like no I don't I don't know them um but he immediately when they find out that this guy is dead and they they immediately pen it on Karen like there's text messages that I read to the court that they basically he had a group chat with like high school friends like eight other people he also started texting his sister immediately saying what who was the deceased who's who was at the house his sister besties with the family whose house the body was found at like he's just texting all these things they're already like less than 24 hours from this man dying saying oh she's gonna go down for it the Brad is gonna go down for it like she's cooked d d and they're asking him like how did you he's like how did you know this he's like yeah with well with all the information we already had sir it hasn't even been 24 hours you haven't collected statements you haven't got know what his cause of death is at that point like you probably don't even have the autopsy back at that point to know if he had like a heart attack or something exactly I don't know if the man's body had left the scene yet at that point for him to already be texting and saying like yeah uh this is terrible and uh but not terrible I mean he so I think Karen Reed has a oh what's it called like a chronic illness um maybe maybe Crohn's or something like that because he is literally talking [ __ ] about her in this group chat like saying like yeah she's hot but like she's got a flat ass and also said something basically like disparaging her digestive tract like because whatever her GI is hot yeah she's hot but like who wants to BR the chips or pants or something like that like in his text like he's having to read these text messages to the court and defense attorney was like you never thought these would see the L A day did you and he's like no like it's so terrible basically one he's saying he's looking for nudes like it is ridiculous what what he's saying in these text messages but literally like because I could talk about is a cop this is okay that makes no sense like they I get why you know back to our girl Sarah Boon doesn't realize that like even if you delete this video they have like stuff that they can do to extract this right you you didn't think that your phone you're you're at a murder you're at a possible murder possible homicide scene and you're just like [ __ ] it I'm texting everybody I'm I'm sending text to my sister like him and his sister are besties and so he's texting her about the thingy at some point they allude to like wishing Karen would just off herself like let's you know like they are awful they are awful people in these chats like some I'm looking at some of these comments but so they have so anyway they end up charging her it goes to trial but in this time so it happen January 2022 um I forgot when the trial started was it February it it was earlier this year which is I think that's about average for homicide like couple years yeah so within this almost twoyear span do you would have thought oh man there was so much evidence collection there was so many um there's so there's so there's such a breath a depth of information no there's people that Proctor says he interviewed are there transcripts of these interviews are there notes no are some of these people the Alberts and the Bic families who were there at the time of the murder at the house that he knows but he didn't say he knows of course but no there's no note of the interview but he said he did it and so he didn't during this time some of these people weren't interviewed for like 18 months to like 18 months after the thing do you think that's gonna be that's gonna be the best information Michael do you think that's you're gonna get the best information they collected um there was uh something that happened with because they collected like I don't know if it was like ring camera footage of her going back because like when she dropped him off she went back to his house and they were using the footage trying to prove that she did hit him like look at this light this light is damaged this is where she backed into him and their defense found out that they had inverted the video to make it look like it was like the other side of the vehicle like they're tampering with all this stuff they collected I I believe they said something about collecting some evidence like blood samples like in red Solo cups like they are so unserious they basically were like the broad did it we don't have to do anything because we're cops and that's it and like all the investigation has really been on her defense team and like getting experts even the medical examiner when they did finally get an autopsy she did not rule conclusively that it was a homicide and he was very mad about that he was like of course I forgot what he called her like a [ __ ] see you next Tuesday or something yeah he oh that might have been because he had to read that out loud in court that was one of the he spelled it out and they were like no you have to read it if you type those words you need to read it he's like I just oh my god well I saw I saw a short where somebody was talking about this makes more sense now how when they were originally what was it they said they were looking in the yard I guess for like broken glass from the tail light and they look like I think there was like multiple officers looking nobody could find anything and then I guess they went and seized her car like I forget exactly what the essentially like there was an hour and a half where they had her car but they hadn't actually gotten the warrant and then all of a sudden they found the tail light stuff in the yard which when you put it together with the rest of this you know um yes that comment he called her a whack job that's what he called the medical examiner since you know she didn't say exactly what they wanted because they were really counting on it being ruled a homicide because the the defenses theory is that he got dropped off of the party she left he went inside but like a there was like a altercation that broke out um with him and like maybe one or two of the guys who were there and that he has these bites that look like they could possibly be the dog and they did have a dog who was known to um there was like like she had a history of like attacking people and they conveniently rehome the dog after this so oh I see so the thought is possibly he was attacked by this dog because it was former cops who own the dog they then tried to frame her rather than yeah a complete I mean not acceptable but like that's an accident it's not like anybody meant to do that I'm sure because they because they're saying they alleged the defense or I mean the Commonwealth or they're basically saying he never made it inside she dropped him off they had they were having kind of like an argument but because she wanted them to go home he wanted to go to this party she hit him with the car he never made it inside and that's what all these people the M Alberts the maves the people who were in the house like oh he never came in but the defense is saying he did go in and he got into an Al an altercation with one or two of these dudes and the dog also jumped in um so so that makes more sense I was like why are they trying to frame her but it sounds like it's more just they are trying to avoid the people they like getting in trouble versus like yeah so I'm trying to look at who all the people Brian retired cop okay Nicole her sister is Jennifer Jen oh and then there's this lady Jennifer Jennifer mccab woof she on on her phone at like 2:27 a.m. Googled and they proved this with a FBI somebody somebody from quanico she Googled how long to die in cold she didn't spell it right she it was like H instead of H but how long to die in cold at 22 7 a.m. and they're like so is that because you knew he was they moved his body outside and you were trying to see she's like no of course not you know unhinged um the dog's name was Chloe I hope chlo's doing well after she was rehomed uh people people need to stop Googling incriminating things quickly what cu the Chad deel had an incriminating Google search like get a bone a burner phone if you're gonna be Googling get yourself a burner phone with throwaway whatever and do your Googling there they really do not uh think of these things um other things I wrote down because there's so there's I mean I feel like we need to see this board I'm trying to figure out how to like Spotlight you hold on excuse me my share oh sorry Nel back up boie wait how do I how do I make you the the only one oh look at this no idea oh my God on it too much but it's it's a mess because it's my chicken scratch but we've gone over most of this with it's beautiful you know with with all of the things um so wait so didn't you tell me so I know that the jury it was a hung jury but they convicted her of oh oh they were they like acquitted her on two things and then were hung on a third right yes they unanimously 12 to zero said not guilty on the second degree murder and the leaving the scene of an accident I tried to find I know they were split on the manslaughter charge which I think is weird but whatever um and I'm trying to find my notes of how many it was because when we got when she declared a mistrial the judge like live we didn't get to see her pull the jury like they went I asked you about that because I was like oh that's strange that they didn't do that because I'm so used to from all these other trials they do that yep nope they hadn't and I'm surprised that the defense didn't ask because usually the defense specifically will ask for it I think that was in whoopsy on his part I didn't know because I was like waiting I'm like okay are we going to find out because it's been now that jurors afterwards have come out and said no we did vote you know on these and so her team then filed like a motion because they already decided they're going to retry her in January 2025 which is crazy to me they're GNA waste all this taxpayer money to retry her with this terrible case and also how like how do they do that because what I have seen is the headlines of how Proctor has been put like on suspense like yeah he's your main investigator there's no way like fired without like completely because it's a union like it's really hard but he's not actively working as a you know detective or whatever anymore and you know the defense is gonna call whoever his supervisor is and be like why was he put on leave and I didn't have a good again I haven't kept up with all the things because every week there's something else and there's been like more police connected to this who've been like let go so I don't even know his supervisor really da is also really shady his name is um Michael morresy he's he's Shady judge Bev there's an alleged connection between the be the judge I think her name's like Beverly koni or something Tik Tok could calling her auntie Bev because there is this like uh connection apparently between her and the mccab family who were another people who were there that somebody in that family referenced referenced to her as like Auntie Bev so like the defense was trying to kind of get her her boo saying like oh like you kind of connections she's like no which I think is crazy I'm like should else over the judge who decides that the judge stays or not well also to me it's Shady like I feel like if somebody if it's at all reasonable why wouldn't you just recuse yourself like if you actually didn't care just be like yeah okay seems so simp give me another case that's great yeah she was so when I would watch the trial live she was so she just seems so exasperated ated when the defense was up there she was like okay and like what's next and she just always was like seems like she was she just really seemed to be going for the prosecution like sustaining more of their objections and stuff when're like that seems like a valid question obviously I'm not an attorney but it just she seemed preferential to the prosecution as most of the law to reactions I have seen have been very like what the [ __ ] is going on with this so I think you're not alone and I mean like I'm just imagining like so so the prose the prosecutor prosecution star witness is this Proctor guy he's gonna get up on the stand because they have to to sub like I don't see how they get around not using him and then if they don't use him then the defense will just call him yeah and be like show I mean how I just don't see how they think they can win I don't get it at all I'm and obviously I watched a lot of it but I was not there I'm not a juror but I just don't understand how you see all of this I went I went back to my notes and it was within um 16 hours of him being found that he was already texting people and he hadn't been to the crime scene only talked to two witnesses and he made the determination that Karen Reed was guilty and like how do you hear all of that that he didn't interview people for 18 months he kept his connections like literally he was like the defense attorney is like asking him so do you not have a relationship with the Alberts and The Capes he's like no they have photos of one of the families at his wedding another one he was like there's like text messages of him contacting the wife of one of them to babysit his child he's like well I mean you know anyone for a b he's like but you chose them you wanted them babysit your child you're still trying to say you have no personal connection to them that's your sister who's your BFF she be riding with them so you don't know them either I love that they had the photos I was like you know I bet because the defense doesn't have the same burden to turn over their evidence prior to trial I bet they surprised them with some of that stuff like I bet they did not know how because he surely was like no I yeah I have no I have no I've never talked to these people before in my life he's like you mean the people who are at your wedding well but that that all the more so it's like then why the [ __ ] is the prosecution going to retry because now they do know that they have that evidence and now it's going to be even worse because he's been put on leave or whatever yes it's it's so ridiculous yeah Brian the ex cop and that's whose house they were found at um let me see I'm looking at this so he was talking to his high school friends about the thing okay I saw that he said okay Proctor some of the things he said there will be some serious charges brought on the girl talking about Karen um he sounds like by the way yeah uh he seems I'm like o how's your wife oh there was also this point where okay he's texting his sister about the case and one text was about the wife of the homeowner um they were being interviewed that day and she was saying that they were going to get him a gift once this is all over and he was like oh just get something like for his wife why would you be accepting a gift why H and oh he texted his wife about this case apparently we're gonna lock this whack job up referring to Karen Reed um it's I mean I have to take training every year for my boring corporate job saying that I'm not going to accept gifts from clients like what I had to do that in insurance it was like somebody to get take you up to a steakhouse I'm like yeah I'm having to like select like am I allowed to bribe an official at an airport no am I allowed to accept sponsor tickets from a client no exactly I just does not it's um it's just crazy and they're also okay one of the guys I think I wrote on here Brian Higgins who was at the party at the house he's a friend of these people there also were texts between Caren and that guy and so they were they seemed flirtatious and so they're also like that could be a person who had beef with John at the party um they're they're just putting this like as like these are different scenarios of who it could have been because all these dudes were in the house there that there's a ton of different people motives yeah okay there's also allegations that there was like um an investigation that John the deceased was trying to get going and they were like about like I think drugs or something and they were like and so like they have they have many like there's many people other people motive too like there's not just like no way no one would have you know gotten into a tussle especially if they've been drinking yeah I mean yeah for real what what motive are they asserting for her yeah what is what what are they saying her motive is like was drunk they got into a fight and she hit him with the car but that she knew about it and left knowingly it's and I'm like yeah that seems again going back to sarbon like it's one thing in the Saron a documented history of DV between the parties but like I don't know I feel like I'd have to be pretty drunk to get mad enough at my partner to purposely hit them with a car like P maybe push you in the snow maybe I'm like oh you jerk and walk off or something sure like back in I don't you know I don't know um I'm just trying to look through my notes I was looking at someone's comment sounds like a Mark Walberg it does this sound like especially the fact that like there might be drugs in Massachusetts they would totally make this I the [Laughter] depotted I I love that they're gonna retry her because they're crazy I guess I don't know I just don't see how I just don't see how you ever get to a full conviction like I get that you could probably get jurors to some jurors to believe it but I just don't ever see how you don't have at least a few hold outs being like this isn't this doesn't make sense yeah which that's seen because I forgot how many days it was that they kept come coming back and they weren't um in agreement and I just am like with the because I saw Tik toks from people all around the world I'm also like how do you get an impartial how do you get an impartial jury now with like with the coverage the first trial got yeah it would hard I think I don't understand I'm just going back through my notes make sure I miss anything oh the prosecution all I had was saying she was drunk and hit him with her vehicle left him to die they say she told French in the emergency dispatch that she hit him the I hit him I hit him SUV has scratches on rear bumper and a broken tail light and then piece of the tail light where John was killed was found in the snow and they said they were arguing he had tried to break up with with him before there's also this thing like they there's pictures of like the house it's like a twostory house or whatever and I forgot where their bedroom is but there's all these like sirens and everything once he's found and stuff outside and they're they're like oh yeah we had no idea what was going out going on outside the house and people are like I don't I mean I know people can sleep hard but this seem kind of kind of weird you didn't hear all that yeah the motive doesn't seem to make a lot of sense no I'm like yeah do they did they do um a blood test on her that night to find out what her blood alcohol level was I don't because I think you would have to be very drunk for that to make sense so she went back to his house to sleep and then came back in the morning so it wasn't even like he wasn't found till the next it wasn't until the next morning or that later that morning spent the night there yeah because she dropped him off he's going in the house I'll see you tomorrow I don't feel pick you up in the morning I don't feel like with you yeah I'm like how do you even how do you know that she I don't I don't have that written down so I'm not sure but I'm like how if you don't do that how do you know that even for the charge of manslaughter while operating a vehicle Under the Influence how do you know I don't think you could prove that definitely not like I think I've seen a couple of people of Defense lawers reacting to people who are getting um taken in for DUIs where they uh killed people and they were talking about like how you get the evidence to prove that part of that element of the crime and like you have to get the actual official blood test to be able to Pro so like I don't maybe it's different in different states but I don't see how you could prove that if they don't have that yeah and it's I it just doesn't make any sense I was looking over here yeah none of thises so and I also saw a headline or some like videos pop up in my feed recently about something about a lawsuit is somebody is she suing someone no his the deceased brother I think is now suing her I guess in a suit I like wrongful death lawsuit maybe or something but how could you even I mean I guess that's what they did with OJ um he didn't get convicted on the criminal but they like took him for all he was worth basically in in the civil suit yeah this says Karen Reed okay sued by family of boyfriend She's accused of killing so this says a civil law suit alleged that his girlfriend Reed struck him with her car while intoxicated left him for dead so they're just suing it says they're suing Reed and two bars for unspecified damages alleging wrongful death and negligent infliction of emotional distress sorry brother I don't I just I that yeah that doesn't seem like that's going to go anywhere because in a civil case they can the her defense could introduce even more evidence that they couldn't get in for the criminal so yeah oh Kayla they took her blood to the hospital the next day and then reverse calculation gets get her blood alcohol level and the number they came up with her meant she was blind drunk is that a thing you can reverse would would they be like oh well if your blood alcohol level is this then this that doesn't seem I'm quite surprised that that would be admissible but again maybe it varies in different states yeah it's it's all it's crazy the um there was something else with the so the dog was rehomed there was something else with the family like one of them people are saying that that method is not that makes more sense of like I was like X Plus X Plus Y is not equaling Z here this is crazy especially yeah I mean like I don't doubt that they probably have witnesses saying that she was intoxicated to some degree but again if I'm on the jury and I'm like gonna believe the prosecution I would have to believe that she was so drunk that she probably couldn't even drive home safely yeah because that doesn't make any sense like a lot of them were all out like at a bar and then the party like moved back because it was somebody birthday and she you know didn't want to stay out or whatever so they were all drinking yeah um but I don't have or yeah know what the alcohol level was um but I think I went over all the main points I had but there her defense team did file a motion to acquit her of those two charges so that when they do the retrial she's not retried on those and of course Auntie Bev dismissed that was like no so she'll retried on all three in January which that seems like a if she is convicted on anything which I I don't think she could I don't see a world where she's convicted based on what you've told me um then that would be an appeal issue I would imagine yeah I'm just like I don't I don't I don't I don't understand what did I say believes he got beaten inside the home and attacked by the dog cuz there okay it was a German Shepherd previously owned by the homeowner so they think he they moved his body the dogs been rehomed um they didn't question any of the party attendees yeah it's just that's crazy there's just so much of it that's a mess that I didn't even talk to or get into because like there's other investigators or other police involved with it that's a mess they had they have like conflicting statements from F some First Responders are saying something some are saying something else there was a guy I think his name was lucky laughrin who was like the dude who was uh moving snow I can't he's like driving the snow thing to clear snow I believe he said he didn't see a body or anything at the certain time that um he was driving by it there's so many people involved this was just a very this seems like a [ __ ] mess it was just a brief overview but it just seems like every week there's some new layer of corruption um involved like someone mentioned Sandra birchmore which I did hear about and I I dug into that one yet either there's something with they investigated her death and said that it was I think not a homicide but then I think somebody involved in this case has been connected back to it I don't know too much about that one yeah I was goingon to say I the only headline I've heard is something about how like maybe a cop did it or something but um and I think it's one who's in somehow tied to this yeah P um it's interesting because it's so have did you follow the um Robert Taos trial in Las Vegas I don't think so I didn't follow it until he took the stand because um he oh sorry we've got someone clarifying they called it a su but a cop was just arrested okay um was this the recent one in Las Vegas or that's the Sandra yeah yeah the or sorry the Sandra birchmore is the one that they allegedly staged to look like a self unal living um but the Las Vegas one with Robert taus it was he oh I don't have to say allegedly because he was convicted he murdered a journalist who had published an expose about him because he was this elected official and he like it is they had him dead to rights but he got up on the stand for like three days and was talking about how they had just like framed him and they were like and basically like yeah they took my DNA and put under his fingernails and then they did this and then they did that and they literally have like footage of him getting in his car in like this distinctive outfit like driving away like it's it was like but he was so I don't know convincing or I I think I heard one of the jur jurors afterwards say somebody was like he couldn't be this stupid so there must be something to it wow so like he didn't actually convince them but he like definitely had them thinking about could it be a corrupt police case and I'm like this seems like these seem like opposite cases I guess hers seems like a very clear-cut case of police corruption yeah verus here it seems like the classic like you can prove all of this so I just have to say that you're pinning it like that you're just framing me because I'm some justice of whatever wow the literally every time I would hear this evidence and stuff I was like I mean everyone's going to go not guilty like the the question the question is always Reasonable Doubt there is so much doubt here so when they kept going I was like what do you mean they're deliberating another day what are they thinking about well but the longer they deliberate the better it tends to be for the defendant yeah I can't tell you how many hours of ceiling fan I had spinning on my TV waiting for that goddamn bir to come back from watching I forgot is it law and crime that I was watching on YouTube but um I the Sandra birchmore real quick this goes back to 2010 wait no something or that's something involved with her okay um the comments I start Police Department glad people are enjoying people are enjoying the live um the live version of this so I'm glad I'm sorry my condensed version I know there's a lot that I'm I'm missing but that's the this is just like the for people like me who didn't know what was going on this is the overview cuz know that there must be a ton I mean yeah people have like part 47 playlists on Tik Tok so like if you want a deep dive into there's so much content and people have photos and and and webs of how people connect in timelines oh than you my chicken scratch people loved your board um let's see here how did she pay oh this was for Sarah Boon so most of her lawyers were state funded and then the judge said we're not paying for any more state funded attorneys what are the cats playing with sorry um they're both like investigating something and that is usually suspicious um he's like we're not paying for anymore if you can find someone privately that's fine but we're not paying for any more lawyers so she found someone to who take on like a young naive I want to save the world kind of person no he's like an experienced yeah just a second let me the cats are eating something not the kitties um I'm gonna go wait no I can't click on it have the thing please go live for wood toot more often stop it oh my gosh sorry I the nice thing about having a cat is if you lose anything small and dangerous to them they will find it for you eventually so wonderful I was looking for that give it to me yeah um okay oh we were asking so people were saying Sandra birchmore and then what the police explor who was oh maybe maybe that maybe that's also Sandra birchmore I don't know yeah it seems like she was very young like a teenager and this man took advantage of her and they were in this relationship quote unquote if you can call it that and she was killed yeah um okay and then Katie Dora says my brother-in-law is a cop in the Boston area and he said that during the trial they were calling at the Canton cover up look I've seen a lot of Tik toks for some from some locals and they are not happy they recently had like a on Labor Day like a free Karen Reed in different like towns around Massachusetts stop wasting my money oh we yeah everyone seems seems shady all of them from the police force to the to the DA to the judge let's see they never I can't believe they never went inside what so is this that they I don't think they investigating they didn't go inside the house like they stayed I'm pretty sure again because they didn't do an investigation really they like talked to some people who they all knew they all knew each other pretty crazy okay and yeah that's where again all of these things where I'm like how do how what do you mean here's the doubt here's the doubt how did people not people leaving not see his body there was something about oh I'm so sorry I watched these Tik toks about the vehicles that would have been there and them saying like they didn't see a body but that how like the vehicle may have been blocked depending on where he they're saying he fell um I can't remember exactly but that's that's the whole thing there's like people who are like how was he out there and nobody noticed him and saying oh the snow had already covered him but they're like it hadn't snowed that hard yet like at the time people would have been leaving you should have seen a body if it was there yeah um and then people were confirming my half-remembered thing but yes basically they didn't they found the taillight pieces conveniently after they had access to the car um yay I'm glad you guys are I'm so glad people like this live version well I guess this is what we'll just have to start doing and then your internet will just start working perfect ly if we keep doing it of course of course I imagine them using incognito mode Googling incriminating [ __ ] feeling like they're criminal Mas oh they're definitely like they're like oh no one's ever gonna see this click that little mask button it's hiding everything you know one they'll ever see it just I'm like you just texting an iMessage not even in like a a better app I not to give people ideas I'm just yeah um the fact that their own me said the injuries were not consistent with getting hit by a car I don't know how the jury was conflicted at all I'm flabbergast I don't get it like because he had oh I forgot I wrote down what his injuries were they were so he had several abrasions on the right arm cut on his nose two black eyes 2inch laceration to the back of his head and multiple skull fractures and then hypothermia contributed to his death I'm like two black eyes because I'm just like what height I can't remember I know they had like diagrams and stuff I'm like if she hit him with the car because it was anv I think Nigel please I'm like two black eyes I well I guess you could get that from a car accident people can get black eyes from car accidents yeah but yeah I don't I don't I don't know okay kidy saying they don't even need your phone they can just search for IP addresses so uh um oh okay and then on the blood alcohol issue three comments one is that um Hava is saying that they got hit by a drunk driver and was found 30 minutes later AMD uh 30 minutes later the police told me they couldn't prove she didn't get blasted in that 30 minutes after she parked and so they couldn't proceed but that's what I mean like I feel like it's hard to prove that but Bri is pointing out that the crime may not NE necess itate them prove the number exactly depending um and then Kayla also clarified that all the witnesses said that she was not blackout drunk um the whole case disaster is a great word to summarize it all yeah so and then let's see here the prosecutors um this is an interesting Theory from Carol Marie can they say they're going to retry her and then not do it maybe they're just trying to scare her because they were angry with the outcome so maybe they're trying to like pressure her into taking a plea yeah I don't I don't know because I know they um when did that the verdict was like the end of June or July and they were back in court in August um and they set that date so I don't know I don't I don't know how that works I guess we'll just have to watch as it gets closer but for right now the last thing I saw is they still are planning because they had to obviously her attorneys are like I don't think they both prati I like I think they also practice out of state and so they I remember one of them being like I can't be here on this date can we redo it this date so I don't know I hope they give up but because every week I swear it's another this person is fired this person's like go this person's being something I'm like by the time we get to January will any of these people even be employed by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts like obviously they could still call them but that just seems wild to call this case when all the people who are in charge of investigating it are now not employed by you I know and I yeah I keep saying it but I just don't see how you don't get at least a hung jury with that so like why even bother like that just seems like such a waste of resources yeah and and wonder this when you said everyone from Karen to Da the da is a mess when I was watching different lawyer tubes now I think this is because she is a woman and I don't know the split of men and women on the jury and I wonder if this affected it because she would H and I don't want to say this because but this is what people are saying that she would have these smug looks like because I mean she had really great attorneys they would make great points or call people out probably satisfying people's thoughts on her like you're on trial for murder you shouldn't be because she'd be looking like I know that's right and I I mean I would probably do the same thing and like she should probably keep her face more neutral right now I'm like that probably is good trial strategy but yeah I mean I would get it if you've been wrongfully accused of something and finally somebody's saying like look at all these crazy people trying to pin this on me this is so infurious I'm like yeah but I'm like I bet you wouldn't say that that was a man and so I just as much as people are gonna say I'm gonna do my duty and I'm only gonna go by the facts people in Jes are human beings and I'm like yeah is she out on bond she's out okay that's good at least because this would be even more injust if she was sitting in jail the whole time yeah no she's out cuz uh I saw a Tik Tok I think she was at one of those like free Karen thing and she was saying expressing her thanks and stuff so luckily she's out that's so nice um oh yeah there you go yeah you can't there's no winning the lady from the dingo case Australia kept a very calm and together demeanor and everyone called her cold and calculating you can't win you can't win women cannot win that nope to emo not enough emotion I mean now did Sarah Boon just have a hearing where where everybody was dissecting her face yes they did but it's because she just got this new lawyer and she looked so pleased with herself and she was like like she was like waving at people and it was like oh my God she's so absurd she's so absurd cannot deal with her I know she's my but seeing it all like but again with this case the one the YSL one Speaking of the YSL to get off topic have you seen any of the testimony of that one guy who has I haven't seen it but I've seen things in the algorithm but like he's the one who told the judge in the chambers that he did it that he I don't I'm like this is not funny Jessica but the way he just they ask him questions like what do you mean they ask him a question about something he's like I mean yeah I did it I did this because and I'm like no the one clip I saw he was like you mean what I say here will not be held against me right and they're like that is correct that's mean he's like yeah so I rode by his Homie house and I did it so wild that case so that case is wild too because it's been going since like it is still currently happening and I think it started in like January or February like these poor jurors it seems like never ending like I'm like where I saw something about it and I forgot exactly what it said because they but they were talking about jurors and like people being like I need to I need to go because jobs yes I don't think they have to pay they don't have to pay you and they get paid what 25 $50 a day maybe to to be Duty I know they surely did not sign up for a year-long trial and they just I'm like y'all are y'all just keep I'm sorry the second they played one of the songs in the courtroom I was like oh y'all are so unserious this is are out of pocket yes like I have no idea I have no I have no idea about the guilt or innocence of any of the people involved honestly like I I haven't followed close enough but like the prosecutors are just like really out of pocket in terms of like just purely based on that exp parte meeting and what they were saying to L Lil Woody I'm like you guys should be disciplined like this is literally because they were talking about meeting with him without his attorneys like that's that's enough to get you like an Ethics violation how are you still on this case and I don't understand how the judge was just like yeah yeah let's do that the I think I watch Natalie talk about some of that and she was saying why um changed or why she doesn't think the Rico laws are as applicable now since they were really created for mobs and stuff and she was like I don't think Rico laws are like the best you know we have conspiracy and all of those other things that would be better suited to this and I just yeah I don't know a lot about the YSL thing but what I've seen ridiculous I'm glad what I've seen is he should if he's convicted if any of them are convicted of anything they it needs to get overturned because this trial is just like an absolute I'm like I know you did not put the lawyer in weekend Jail [Music] LA room so we can keep working on the case please what you make it bunk buddy like what and he could be criminal contempt and yet like that whole thing was so absolutely wild there is a new judge somebody was asking there is a new judge in that case and i' I know going into it people seem to think that her credentials were pretty good so but technically the guy who was on it was the head judge in that area so I think it's just like yeah just these judges because unfortunately judge Bev will be the one think on the the new trial which I feel like that shouldn't be it gives me like yeah watching becoming somebody who watches trials um and like is weirdly excited to listen to people read through Motions stff like comes now I always get excited at that part um but like it does give you an appreciation of just like there are some really good judges like I think the judge and darl Brooks darl yeah she had the patience of a saint this new judge on Sarah Boon is really good I think the dbel case had a really good judge yes very fair the differences are are vast and it's just unfortunate it's really a luck of the draw it really is if you get in the if you're in the criminal system that's terrifying and some of the prosecutors too it's like yeah just there's a lot of variability cuz some of the prosecutors I'm like okay you're like making your case you're being fair you're going above and Beyond to make sure you're like doing full disclosure and like everything that you should be doing and it's like if you are confident in your case there's nothing wrong with like you don't have to worry about being above board like what Natalie says like everyone deserves a robust defense but also like prosecution you should have a ro you know you should have all of your if all this evidence is saying that this person is guilty then you should not be hiding don't worry about it yeah able to give that to them like good luck yeah it's my way that because I hate saying like I'm interested in True Crime like I know a lot of us are but it's my way to feel less icky about it because I'm it's I'm following more of the criminal like the lawyer part um Daryl books pregnant child I hope she had a good vacation after that trial yes oh she had a baby she was wasn't she she was pregnant the uh was she really I'm pretty sure she was that could not have been good for that that's not good that's Str that cannot be of good for that baby but yeah I'm with you I I like watching the the trial part because like I don't even think of myself as a true crime fan though I guess technically I am it's more that I'm it's the legal proceedings that I interested in I'm not interested in this speculation and the like I will admit I was a former girly I was watching Bailey s and whatever and then it just started to feel wrong of watching people just talk about a crime because and also he's usually focused on on the person committing the crime versus the victims yeah yeah and this is just especially like oh when they get to the victim impact statements I be like but that yes it's like it's I mean first of all it's it feels like taking my medicine of like okay this is how I honor the victim and like I watch this I need to I need to hear about how this impacted but also it's just like I don't know it's a it's just a good reminder of like the whole reason why they even went through the whole thing was yeah you know like there were people that were really affected this is not just like for entertainment this is a real proceeding but someone said um where is it or did they did it oh um I'm 50 minutes behind but how are they retrying someone who was acquitted so I guess she wasn't it wasn't acquitted because it was a m trial right yeah and I guess what the defense is arguing is that hey you pulled the jury in private and found out that they actually did reach a verdict on two of the charges but the judge is like no we're GNA try on all three anyway yeah I don't know um but I'm trying to think well I'm trying to think of what other cases so sarbon is gonna be going to court in October it's actually happen oh my God this October yes on the 7th the judge the new attorney came on and and asked for a wait what you think she's gonna like you think the the attorney gonna make it yeah I think so the judge will let him off at this point okay he he he gave him the business in that hearing of like you are not getting a continuance it literally says in my order this will not be continued by including if there's a new attorney who comes on that will not be considered a good enough reason to continue yeah um and he also was like you knew all these challenges when you accepted this case so this is your problem now basically so I think it's gonna Happ so there's that one um the meline SoDo case have you heard about that one is that the young girl and her stepdaddy or her mom boyfriend it's so sad I was watching something with that last night um that yeah I've watched some videos on that one and I'm just I'm only watching hidden True Crime on that one because I really like the tone they have for that kind of a case um and he's a forensic psychologist so he kind of like is explaining it from that perspective versus like the he said hidden have I watched hidden True Crime I found them during the Lori debel trial stuff I think that's how they blew up because they were really they were one of the first people covering that one um watch that yeah because I I for something like that it's like you need somebody with some sensitivity about it um Soto she it's a little girl she was being uh hurt let's say by her mom's boyfriend for years and then he offed her and it came to light like he had a bunch of C Sam stuff on his accounts yeah she was 13 it's really sad and it's a lot of like how to like the mom literally would like send them up to bed together so there's a lot of questions about like is she going to get charged like what's yeah when I was cuz it wasn't it reported first like oh she didn't come back from school what happened and yes she's missing and then they yeah very it's very sad so that one's on my radar I've seen the stuff about Sandra Birch more but I haven't dug in so maybe I will now yeah I wanted to look I was seeing that today because I know it was mentioned weeks ago when like stuff with Karen Reed and I and now this is more recent and so I was like oh I need to go look at what that is yeah I was like why are why are you why why that's my question why why why everyone knows and yet to everything and you know not to bring down the mood I mean not like the mood I don't know but then the school she oh yeah this is true mura I think is getting a new trial who Alec mura the guy who offed his yeah what I'mma miss that hold on well I could I'm not sure if he's actually I know that there's been a lot of back and forth because I guess like the county the the clerk the uh Clerk of Court did had some mispro priety or impropriety um I know of that one and I started like the Netflix thing and I never got through it so I don't know a lot but I had meant to like go back and watch it yeah I don't know I don't know if he's actually got one yet I know he was trying but I've seen a couple of headlines so I'm not clear if he's actually getting a new trial but he's definitely he's attempting Mercy they got him dead to rights for Life anyway with all his financial Crim so but um who else what else is on the on the dock think of I felt like at one point there was just like non I was like oh my God I'm watching I'm watching this I'm watching there was like too many I haven't I haven't had manyi on a radar yeah recently well for our next episode it's not a legal issue but um I do have a someone who's uh been doing some wrongdoing that I want to tell you about on YouTube oh please yes when oh not to pressure you but just a question of are we are we gonna get that Elon part too oh that's right I never did that because things just kept happening yeah yeah I need to dig out my notes and then like refresh them but yes let's put that on let's let's put that on the docket by the end of the year we'll get an Elon part two yes um cops covering for cops cops cover for cops shocking let me tell you oh yeah I'm just like what police they would never yeah my god oh do you know who else got sentenced for the other charges today whom Daryl Brooks oh wait were these I didn't see what it was but I'm like I'm glad Erica's getting Erica is getting some help I hope Erica's Ive yeah I hope she is in therapy I hope she's you know got a good foot massage yes it's a safe place to live taking care of because my Lord yeah yeah that man I still like I'll sometimes stuff will pop up with like what are they called Sovereign citizen Clips on yes on TI to on YouTube but I'm like I don't know I think darl Brooks might have took the cake he was just yeah the most one of the most ludicrous people I've Had The Misfortune to see God that was so much and I was thinking that's what the Sarah Boon case was going to end up being like because she was going to have to represent herself yeah so I was like this is going to she's just going to be like not intentional no malicious malicious content um we were having fun we were playing we were playing it was a good day dress um I laugh but she's so ridiculous she's so ridiculous she's so insane I do is that one going to be covered like um oh yeah all the hearings are oh she's in Florida she's in Florida baby we got it all oh yeah yes a Florida woman yeah she's a Florida woman so we're gonna we got it all though they have redacted I think some of the like past DV stuff that they had so I don't know but um yeah oh Corey richens that's the other one I've seen some head some things my algorithm for she's a Utah mom who poisoned her husband what's her name is she Cory Rich yeah I think she is that's part of why I'm like maybe I need to get on this um get back to our Joseph Roots I know we've we've strayed so far from our Joseph Ro from the light every I see Cory Rich my friend sent me she sent it to me multiple times but it's like I want to go on a reverse what is it called a reverse mission trip and I'm like I always want to go on a reverse mission trip to Utah I need to go see the people and tell them to be free have caffeine yes Corey richens uh prosecutors have accused Cory richin of drugging her husband's Valentine's Day sandwich in February 2022 in an alleged murder attempt that he survived he died 17 days later after prosecutors said she spiked his cocktail with a fatal dose of fentanyl oh my God yeah so that was a two time oh and she was a Utah children's book author yeah yeah yeah I gotta get caught up on this one oh my God I forgot about that o yeah she wrote the book about grief sister yeah sister I gotta get caught up on it because that one looks like it's gonna be pretty wild so these people I you know not like mental illness does not affect people and people do things but like a lot of these people that's not the driving case here and I'm just always like I always remember Jessica we we need a certain MTH we have a sensitive tummy we like all of the but you know beside the moral thing of you should not do it I understand getting mad and sometimes you're like [ __ ] that but then I'm like no no no no no Jessica we can't make it in prison okay we can't get our little sweet treat they're not giving me Crystal Light what am I supposed to do yeah I mean I I really just come back to the phrase over and over again in these cases of crazy not insane of like these people are crazy they're not insane like they're responsible for what they did but they they're crazy like exactly Tiffany I can't do the time so I sh do no crime no oh no I can these ly white hands this sensitive tummy I can't I can't use a restroom in front of you I can't I'm like do you have do you have an exfoliating scrub wash just the bar soap I I yeah oh my goodness well does everyone not know hello we all joke about hello FBI man a freaking burner phone like what is wrong with you people get your ass down to T-Mobile or or whoever get yourself a freaking burner phone like I don't it is wild all of the things and like every time I always feel bad like saying it because I'm like I'm glad you were dumb because you got caught for sure I'm glad are you so dumb you're yeah this is another thing I another reason I sh do the crime is because I I I'm smart enough to know that I'm not smart enough to get away with it exactly and some people are not smart enough to know that they're not gonna get away with it no oh yes okay this is the other one that I've seen a lot about Donna adelen is accused of plotting with her son Charlie to arrange the murder of her former son-in-law who is a for an FSU professor and this case has been pending for like 10 years what yeah it's crazy so oh I didn't know about this one okay I got I got new tabs open she looks like an Ang she looks like um did you ever this very specific reference did you ever see the movie Dante's Peak the Volcano movie no I know what you're talking about though okay there's there's this little Gran granny in it who's just like got this mean little pucker face and that's what she looks like in all the thumbnails I see her years yeah hello it's like hey Siri how do I get away how get she said huh how can I help you yeah uh yeah oh it's over trial Cate that is really sad in this economy a few months in jails On's L BR you're vegan I don't know if they would be serving you vegan food up in there oh I don't think they would take your dietary preferences into consideration well I know um they are not taking Sarah's uh preferences into consideration because she declines breakfast every day and they also will not get her an extra small uh size shirt oh my God what is she what are her preferences is it just like an item is she a vegetarian or something I don't know she just won't won't eat their breakfast they should there it's not to her tastes has she written any other letters like L um yeah she has but uh not since her new lawyer just got on uh ridiculous hopefully hopefully her new lawyer was like listen to me oh her new lawyer did some oh damn it my battery is gonna die here in just a second because this ring light is draining it um but we I'm good I I've got I probably got like 10 minutes we're good um her new lawyer came on I think part of what she asked him to do is like get her side out in the media more so he's been like doing interviews and he like went off on this this very in my opinion both uh misogynistic and racially coded rant about how the Torres brothers are violent to their women because I guess George's brother recently is in jail for unal living his girlfriend um which is horrible very sad but like the whole their women feels very loaded to me of like well first of all that's misogynistic just that phrasing is not my favorite but then like it seems like it's this insinuation of like these non-white men and their women I don't know I just I was like this is not this is not how you win friends and influence people that's not I don't think what you're messaging is getting over what you you think it would for her I think it's just not work for her I don't if there's anything that would work for her but I hope he's like listen sister sh yeah okay shut up be Qui yeah but I think yeah I think he was basically like be quiet let me do the talking um apparently somebody from January 6 was able to transfer prisons were they good preferences yeah oh yes it's the shaman were they yeah sh that Shaman dude no I've seen enough Ali c stand Special by presly couldn't be near that many people oh my gosh so many all the time anytime because look I've watched a lot of 60 days in okay it's always noisy like they're I don't know how they sleep I don't I mean you're already sleeping on steel or whatever that thing is concrete and then people are just always noisy because they're losing their Marbles and you know the whole thing has to smell like piss oh Lord from those open toilets literally SC peer's back in court I knew there was a new documentary but I didn't know that they need to calm down cuz there's no way that I want to see the receipts La Innocence Project because no that's crazy how that's been a long time that's been yeah she had early 2000s hair yes so that it's probably been 20 years what did he get sentenced I'm like what does he I think it got through life I think he got life because they o convicted him of um unal living the baby do you like how sometimes I remember to say unal living for the algorithm yeah the Innocence R yeah I don't so I have so many I have like four tabs open now I gotta get to get on my I'm aspirationally an abolitionist but there but but he's one of the ones that like tests it for me you know same that's where I'm like yes in theory but I'm like what do we do them [ __ ] oh he's in Scott Peterson yeah God dang let's see um oh this says life without parole two 2002 was when she she passed D so um like I want to know what's what's what's the evidence yeah I yeah they I'm hard a hard press to be convinced of that one that'd be like I think Chris Watts is now trying to say that he oh God that it was his girlfriend or something and I'm like you can just shut all the way up there buddy disgusting yeah foul okay well I love that this worked hope to aim to do it again or I know two weeks I was GNA say I feel like we're you know this worked I don't have a bunch of people coming in and out of town so maybe we're going to be more regular if you guys are it seems like everybody was down with this format yeah um you know I should I'll put a poll on YouTube and that's probably G to be skewed but my question is do people want the audio only version of these oh like to put up on on the feed because if people are okay with just the YouTube version then I can un I can stop paying for that service if people are cool with just this but if 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