hello hello am I live on the right channel I honestly have no idea right now Jesus Christ oh here we are okay can somebody link the Twitter space farming but that engagement is functionally worthless it is it is worthless yeah I speak about that pretty often too um sometimes is uh you can make a big stream for 100k people right and nobody cares about it and you can make a stream with 10,000 viewers or whatever that everybody cares about and I feel like the level impact is a lot uh bigger with with the 10K stream than 100K stream right depend on what you do that makes sense I mean look at this for instance right here we have an instance right now where there's a huge space now my spaces are basically hang on how big what is the size right now uh it's at 9k okay yeah so basically my space is on average are like a 90th of whatever this is right now sometimes right so it's like it's it's a very small amount by comparison but that doesn't discourage me in a sense so like for instance you'll have Glory moments where a post gets millions of Impressions right but really what it what what what you should really kind of be focusing on is posting things that are of interest to the audience that you've accumulated right this is also why sometimes when people say we have to do reply guys to get reach sure it kind of works technically but people will follow you for your posts and not for your replies you know what I mean I requested to speak but I don't know how to get how to even have him see that I'm not sure in in terms of like streamers like what I do and what Desy does right I think it's what makes the people um continue to do good and something that the big shers uh all understand is that um yeah you'll have the the big ones and the Heavy Hitters but if the foundation that kind of keeps you going and kind of gives you like a low fan base also I think this could probably him speak right now again I think he's right there yeah by the way your last post was in was on the 2nd of July you know look look at look at what day it is now it's like the 15th so you've had like 13 days of inactivity on the account just be active like every single day and if you were to post like five to 10 things every single day your reach is going to go up because people have to actually interact with your stuff and if they don't interact with your stuff given that there's no stuff to interact with then not then not necessarily going to interact with the next thing you put out you know what I mean it's not like with YouTube over here it's like completely different it's the opposite of that wherein you have to have consistent activity which is kind of almost like YouTube shorts in a sense and then you have big bangers in between which are like your video essays that you put out every two months that makes sense yeah I kind of got cooked here man you kind of you got me on the ropes now um see um in a way I feel like I'm engagement farming if I'm only in uh doing engagement to make sure that my next post has good engagement or that that people actually interact with or whatever right um I've always had a more like kind of like natural or kind of Gras to interaction if I feel like posting something I I do it and I hope that people um click on act with it and even though it'll do not as good in the algorithm it is what it is you know yeah yeah of course I mean like everybody wants their content to be interactive with and of course you then post a certain way that is of course true and I think that that's not even a problem really it's just what are you targeting with priority if you target with prior value to your community then yes you will get interaction from that Community because you yourself understand what they would want to interact with right that's something that you need to consistently post at a relatively high frequency like you can choose whatever high frequency looks like to you in my case my high frequency is anywhere between five to 10 posts a day and that's quite a lot you know that's quite a lot especially for an account that that's small that's this small but for some account like you for instance which is a lot bigger if you were to put out like say even only three posts a day whatever it be that's also enough but you could also dial up those numbers just a little bit to something like five or 10 because then that's an optimal thing to do right you think about it in terms of hours like post one thing every hour or every two hours right and you kind of measure how much content you can fit within that and then everything starts to make sense and then have that in in your mental space it's almost like a grid that you have open and whatever content you think fits through that just falls into it I don't think there's no I don't there's no like lighting I can grab here my [ __ ] is [ __ ] I have no lighting here yeah I mean I will post more often thank you for um also I mean you're doing God's work for real Elon yes yeah yeah I mean I love the platform I love X I really hope it succeeds um and besides you know another thing that's interesting is say for in volume is low right but you know there's monetization and if you don't post anything there's no Compu not set up for streaming this no stuff to kind of like you know there's no interaction right so post more frequently it's good stuff you know and and and don't be offensive try basically look at what Destiny's doing but do the opposite of that like be very nice oh D come on man you're going to call this like that when he's not there I am here let me in I said this to his face I don't say anything behind anyone's back that wouldn't say to their face fair enough what was thisly to that CU I kind of called him out to uh I mean not to his face I mean behind his back of course um about like the violence stuff or whatever I feel like regardless of the politics I feel like it's not because somebody shows up somewhere that he deserves whatever uh cons happens to him right I don't believe that you attending a trump Rally or any rally for that matter um you don't deserve said context that's that's my that's my take oh yeah I highly agree as well yeah yeah because I mean that's just unfair you really shouldn't be wishing harm on people in general I mean perhaps you know everybody has a small because it's just natural war is natural so everybody has this natural tendency to want conflict or to engage with something that's conflict based right but there has to be a limitation you know are you going to attack a dead person CU that's what that effectively is you know that's that's just weird even when I see people engage with that person's account today and I see there's like his posts and his replies and they circulate again it feels odd because you look at that and you say it's almost like that person is still speaking what is essentially a dead body that's wild yeah yeah exactly yeah um the dead body just like uh Destiny's account right now because he can't speak he's the kind of a dead body almost but you can revive him if you want talk I don't see request for some reason how many requests are there actually is this better or I don't know if it's going to be blown the [ __ ] out now so it's up to you guys to say if this is working or not yeah I can't see any requests other than yeah maybe if I we got it's fine okay all right this is about as much as I can up the volume without it going crazy so it's good to have multiple devices in my dark black room one of them with no lighting fails oh yeah because disconnect a frequence with whatever you do especially when you do spaces they're just things just happen because it's it doesn't look well optimized but it doesn't matter just the ways around it okay so I've connected on the other device and it's worse now I I can see even less Jesus Christ yeah it's oh you might have to restart it then whoops let me clear that uh unless I set up on the desktop hold up wakey wakey X and bakey okay oh should the is still on that's not good for my CPU he's so he plays into it either is Elon or's a guy that's trying to be like that memes about not being him and then tries to be him for the meme yeah this is going to take this going to take up so so much processing power like running Chrome with a periscope instance that has this many connections to it that's wild oh maybe he make me Co maybe he can make me co-host if he can still do that and I can just uh uh get him as Speaker and that I'll downgrade myself to listener yeah sure you you don't need to downgrade yourself you can stay on the space you can even comment if you like there you go um oh okay don't ask go host I got you yes and then yeah welcome to Mission Control did I uh I saw a flicker of his existence oh hello hello yeah he's speak now okay M check how's your computer uh goodby it's uh [ __ ] horrible but I just I moved to a different computer different room so Destiny can you hear me hello hello I can't hear him for some reason oh [ __ ] it needs yeah we can uh I'll text him he said he says one second microphone he probably has like a accept microphone on the browser right like the little pop-up thing oh does this work can you hear me hello hello yeah yeah wait yeah did he just say yes to me or no he just said yeah yeah yeah there's so many requests it's like wow man I have no clue what my request you know when you see it at the bottom there see H testing one two test test test one two one two okay let's check here that is wild I'm gonna kill myself yes you ever done spaces before nope you should do it testing one two let's see test test maybe maybe if there's something like going on or whatever otherwise I'm I'm just always live you know I just uh in my not a lot of things happen on the Fly that like like need to I I think it would be a really good way to interact with some of your fans I think at some point you may even get subscriptions enabled on your account and then perhaps you could have like subscribers only content they could subscribe to that and then you could like have those people request and do a subscribers only space those are quite cool as well interesting yeah you that sometimes um sub only I I I I try to do like no pay Walling ever wait they should be working okay without that it just depends you want I think space is a really good way to interact with your audience like say for instance me I can't just like reply guide it's a huge waste of time and cognitive energy for me personally but uh to do it via spaces just like let people up occasionally is very nice and it's and and there's also a lot of control with it hello hello test test you just have to be careful who you let up there are a lot of trolls out there an account size itself does not determine whether or not there a troll it just has to have it just has to be people that you know mute hello hello if you do sp or don't do that at all so my philosophy on all that is that um there is no there's no like extra value in a uh subscribe okay I'm going to try rejoining maybe this will work I went to a microphone test website and my mic is working on on the browser so how they're going to interact compar to someone who is who is not a subscriber the only thing difference is if you're on stream and you have subscribers right if you have like a subscriber only a chat that you can moderate it uh easier and there's a kind of a risk for them are not to get banned because their account subscribed for like a lot of months and they don't want to lose that do that Mak sense so you kind of quality like that the invitation yes okay does this work hello holy [ __ ] Jesus I love you thank you X okay my bad all right just happened to you what happened there uh I updated two vital pieces of software this morning my operating system and my OBS and something is causing Windows to blue screen I don't know why so now I mov downstairs to my studio but my studio is not set up to do audio like this so I had to reconfigure all my audio devices and here we are but I believe everything should be working this computer won't blue screen okay well welcome back welcome back all right where were we uh yeah I kind of just want to get again you know I kind of want to keep away from the Politics as much as possible um I don't want to do anything with that specifically what I want to talk about again because I'm Haring back to that is the um nature of the way that you speak right that's that's it right okay so your so your explanation for why you speak and say violent manner I think we can describe this as a violent thing you say you're doing this because you don't think you have much of an impact and the other side is doing this as well well to be clear I never said I don't have much of an impact I said that I don't think we can have much of an impact on lowering the temperature I think that for the temperature to come down both sides have to be invested in lowering the temperature and conservatives have shown for the past eight years that they have absolutely no desire to lower the temperature that's what I said or mat at least uh which which conservatives specifically Donald Trump the leader of the Republican party and so that guy and whoever you think supports them or like all in the same bucket want to drive the temperature up is that correct yes okay but then don't you think that engaging so of course you know you want us like say being or or having good decorum on a platform actually has a positive effect but you think that there's so much of a negative effect being caused at the moment that you yourself could not possibly make it any worse is that correct because that's kind of what that logic sounds like uh a little bit I think you can probably always make things a little worse I just don't think you can make things that much better um when you say good decorum one of the issues we run into I think I was talking about this before my fourth or fifth computer crash um the issue that I have with good decorum or good conversation is right now it seems like the marker for a Centrist or for a neutral Observer to say that a good conversation has happened here is just for nobody to shout at each other but I think the issue that I'm running into is there are two things to look at when somebody speaks there's the manner in which they speak and there's the content that they speak and I feel like we have completely disregarded all content and we're just looking for people to speak calmly at each other even if they're saying horrifying things I think that conservatives have been in the business of saying horrifying things for the past eight years often times with inflammatory rhetoric but not always but when they don't speak with inflammatory rhetoric and their tone is nice they're still saying horrifying things so I don't appreciate it when conservatives are saying well we need to bring down the rhetoric I don't like that joke that you made when they have been in the business of amplifying and causing the temperature of the conversations to increase so much over the past 8 years and specifically you mean anyone who supports Trump because there are different conservatives across the board the people even who don't support him right yeah I'm sorry it's a shorthand when I say um when I say conservative right now in this context I just mean Conservative Republican are Trump supporter understanding there are some conservatives that don't support Trump although the vast majority do but not all there are never trumpers there are conservatives that don't support Donald Trump that is the case but the majority of the party you would ree right now is absolutely lock step behind Donald Trump right uh I think so Perhaps Perhaps when you say I think so and perhaps how how could it be any other way when every single lawmaker is lock step behind Trump when people that don't like Trump get excised from the political party and when he enjoys broader support than almost any politician has historically in the Republican party what do you mean you think so it's absolutely the case has JD I mean has JD Vance been excis he has a very he has very interesting opinions of trump because he fell in line are you sure considering that he just got chosen as the vice presidential pick and considering JD Vance is on record saying that he would have helped Donald Trump coup the government in 2020 yes I am sure who that did he say those words specifically or did he say something that like what he said he said that he would have where Pence failed he said that he would have succeeded in listening to Donald Trump and rejecting the elector vote in favor of the one that would make Trump the president cuz he felt like that was an appropriate political process if they didn't feel like the results were legitimate okay yeah but that doesn't seem like advocating for a coup that is a coup that's just that's an if then else yeah like if you do this then you have CED the government correct okay cool well I don't think it's cool I don't like the nice I'm sorry I cut you off go do your thing sorry all right it's uh no it's like we we talk about a specific thing that is Rules of Engagement and then we immediately go back to politics it's kind of fine don't blame me for this so I understand that but I don't want to talk about politics I want to talk about Rules of Engagement again specifically I see there is reasoning that you want to be violent but why not choose to be an example and not be violent right because of course you know you'd say here you're having a conversation on X for instance and you're talking to a guy who's effectively dead you're like basically playing with this guy's dead body because that's what you're doing right you're just like quote posting his thing and you're saying terrible things about him now I'm not defending this guy what he does or where he was at I'm just saying that that's just have some respect for the dead right and you don't have any respect for the dead in this regard because you're basically interacting with with what is essentially a dead person right this is really really really weird whatever you want to do with that that's up to you but that's what that is you think the content of what you could say about this guy like dude if you if you have if you have bad content with and what you have to say about this guy doesn't that kind of go against what it is that you want I mean what what exactly do you want do you want to actually have a discussion in which good content is within that discussion even though it'd be peaceful or are you just going to basically use harmful content and still have the discussion so this is my view uh inflammatory rhetoric accomplishes some good things and some bad things and calm rhetoric accomplishes some good things and some bad things right so the reason why people are inflammatory is because it rils up your side uh it makes people more emotionally invested um it just it produces a stronger feeling about a given thing but typically we don't like inflammatory rdit because it usually involves um dehumanizing demonizing attacking some particular person uh it it increases the likelihood for everybody to engage in inflammatory acts and inflam acts can put you on an escalatory pathway towards bad actions right which is even more scary but the issue is is as Democrats have been as milk toast and calm relatively speaking when you look at Biden as possible none of the positives that are supposed to come from calm rhetoric have been realized and instead it's only been the negatives Biden has spoken over and over again about how he's not just a president for the US or he's not just a president for one party he's a president for the entire United States he's brought together people to support bipartisan legis legis legislation and at almost every opportunity like that famous speech where he's in front of that red background uh you know he said listen not all Republicans are Mega Republicans these aren't this isn't the entire Republican party despite all of these qualifiers despite his bipartisan support um at least in Congress and despite him trying to be a president for all Americans everybody on the conservative side still gives him all the negatives of the inflammatory rhetoric so if you don't have anything to gain by engaging in a particular style of discourse and instead you're just acre negatives and if you believe that the other side that is engaging an inflammatory rhetoric is allowed to recoup all the positives of that inflammatory rhetoric why would you continue to engage in a way that's only hurting your cause that you're not gaining any benefit from socially or or otherwise so if I were to like kind of look at this and take that as an argument does that does that mean that you want say Biden for instance to be a bit more inflammatory to kind of reap the rewards of being inflammatory against someone like Trump is that what you're kind of like correct getting towards so like to be more precise um on the last violence no I didn't say violent there's plenty of steps before violence when it comes to inflammatory rhetoric so for instance in the last debate I think that Biden should be making fun of Donald Trump more for being a convicted felon for the fact that his uh you know it looks like his wife is going to leave him um for the fact that you know he had sex with a born star like these are things that are personal attacks that Donald Trump does all the time that rile your base up and people like them even if it's kind of a shitty thing to do I would say like as a whole it's shitty Donald Trump shouldn't get to enjoy all of the advantages of that while being immune from those types of attacks for instance I think a lot of Democrats were pulling ads because of the recent assassination attempt Republicans wouldn't have done that for Biden I don't think democrats should be pulling ads for it um but yeah I believe that he should be engaging more in the rhetoric that Donald Trump is because he's not getting any credit for not doing that so why not do you think he's like actually um capable of that yeah it's much easier to stand up on stage and lie and do slogans than it is to try to Rattle off 400 different stats and numbers that nobody cares about I mean he kind of has done that if you want to take that position no not really he generally sticks up and he tries to be like a pretty nice dude he tries to yeah generally do I need to define the word yeah true no there there in no there in lies a problem what do you mean the problem no no well if you're going to make the argument that every now and then he slips up or every now and then he says something problematic again I reject that Donald Trump does it as a matter of habit and Biden might do it as an exception uh it's it's not comparable okay yeah so oh H but then what do you say all right this is really it's kind of hang on what's what's this I'm trying to I'm trying to check some other the responses as well just to make sure everything is nice and balanced H this is funny po about day 30 no I am not Elon mask Al account no absolutely not no so one of the oent guys was like saying hey guess who's on with the no absolutely not I don't want that distinction I mean look everyone's going to make that distinction but I don't want that to be a thing that guides your judgment I'm not Elon Musk anyways uh we're going to continue um okay so how exactly okay so so you're looking at Biden as the de facto good guy here let's just establish that um how exactly like what kind of jokes specifically do you want want to use against Donald Trump like if you could speak to Donald Trump right now what jokes would those be I think he should be I think he should be making a lot more personal attacks relating to his character and relating to the record of his character yeah but but how is that of any benefit I mean uh how exactly okay so cool we have now personal attacks don't you think that makes you look weaker if it made you look weaker then Donald Trump would be irrelevant on the political scale yeah but that's not the only thing that he does right he kind of like throws that in occasionally I would disagree I think that's about the only thing that Donald Trump does I don't think that there's any substance on any of his policy platform that people like him for I don't think people can adequately describe his position on foreign or domestic affairs uh he's been an epic failure in every domestic project he's tried to uh you know Herald and so no I think that people literally just like him because he's funny and because he insults other people okay inter saying and how exactly do you picture that going how do you how exactly do you picture that working out for someone say like Biden who in this case has very many difficulties of course you know for instance that he canot distinguish whether or not his vice president is Kamal Harris or Donald J Trump uh I'd rather have somebody that has uh occasional slip UPS in speech where they confuse one vice president for another rather than somebody who has to choose an entirely new vice president because his last one wouldn't go along with his coup attempt no no no that's not what I was saying that's not what I was saying what I was saying is how exactly would he be capable of those things say for instance inflammatory rhetoric if that is one of the things that happens wouldn't it basically open up Pandora's Box to a bunch of say more harmful slip UPS if in case those slip ups are within the context of something that's supposed to be inflammatory no I think that that rhetoric is much more simple to deploy I think it's if if you can rattle off stats and do whatever else and read a teleprompter you can say simple slogans and insults Trump has built his entire uh you know election campaign around just simple slogans I think if Biden can do so anybody can do simple slogans including Biden then why was he then why was Trump so effective in the debates as spe especially in cultivating approval within that last debate as opposed to Biden who arguably made also a few maybe a few inflammatory statements or even mischaracterizations towards Trump I think that in the last debate I think that Biden had a bad debate strategy I think Biden's strategy was to Rattle off a ton of numbers and try to Haren back to his record and Donald Trump was just kind of sloganeering Donald Trump was affected because he just says things that that sound good and he doesn't really speak with much substance but that's what conservatives have come to expect and Biden did poor because he flubbed a ton of his speech and he looked like an incompetent bubbling idiot um bumbling idiot because he was trying to Rattle off like tons of numbers and stats and figures from his administration which he should have been he should have done more comments like the uh the morals of a of an alleycat or whatever he should have been more comments like that calling him a convicted felon and stuff like that that's what Donald Trump ran on lock her up you know if you if you're under investigation by the FBI you shouldn't even be able to run for president right these were the things that Donald Trump focused on well I mean the problem is when you if you are referring to him as using alakat tactics don't you think that's just going to make him look cooler um for Donald Trump yes no I think they because you're basically taking this guy who is somewhat of an underdog already in a sense right he's very relatable I think to such people if you took that and you now made this comparison you basically made him more of a villain does you think that would make him more relatable as well no I one Donald Trump shouldn't be relatable I think it's only because uh Democrats haven't engaged with him on that level there's nothing relatable about Donald Trump this is a billionaire Real Estate Mogul from New York City who has a you know foreign wife what is this his third marriage like nothing is relatable about Donald Trump but Democrats never hit him on any of those points they just try to stick to policy but I don't think that a lot of people care about policy right now as evidenced by the fact that Donald Trump really never even talks about his policy platform I think they just recently published one and nobody even cares about it so no I think that they should yeah it makes them less relatable I think to focus on those things interesting well I mean look here's here's the thing when you are seeing a villain in a movie that is cast in a very specific way don't you think that that villain sometimes performs better in terms of audience reception than the actual hero of the story um I think sometimes they can be but right now trying to be evenhanded with Trump and trying to criticize you know the Democrat side from the Democrats themselves is it hasn't worked this doesn't seem to be working in any way side shape or form uh we just recently had an insane I not to get too but there was recently a a pretty wild immunity uh Grant to the president that just came out from the Supreme Court and liberals have spent far more time probably 10 times as much time talking about Biden's senility than they did about that Supreme Court decision uh that's wild to me and I think it shows a a misfocus on the media of trying to hold themselves accountable too much when the right doesn't desire to hold themselves accountable at all so you're basically saying they should make up more nonsense I didn't say anything about making anything up I'm just saying that you have to understand the rules by those rules yeah sure but you're talking about accountability right so there's a rule there's a shift in the game where dirty tactics are being deployed and you're saying that some dirty tactics ought to be used if it helps your cause well then one of those dirty tactics would in this case also be lying in order to confuse your enemy would you actually say that that's okay I don't I consider lying I think would be immoral I don't think making fun of somebody for things that are true is necessarily immoral it's just maybe like not the best thing to do sometimes but if those are the rules of the game that are being played then those are the rules that you have to adhere to you know you might think it honorable to fight with only sword and shield but if you step into an arena where everybody has an AK-47 you know you can fight as honorably as you want you're probably going to get killed pretty quickly so I think that you have to I think you have to take up you know whatever the tools are being used in a particular environment you're in and you've got to function in that environment with those tools rather than trying to hold yourself to some standard that nobody cares about that you're not getting any credit for that's hurting your campaign ability to be to I would never I would never say somebody should lie that's a tool I think that should still be reserved for the conservatives and for Trump okay cool yeah um about the lies yeah cool cool so more personal insults less decorum yeah until I see uh maybe at some point maybe if maybe maybe if the Democrats do it maybe the Republicans at some point were like wait a second hold on maybe this isn't good maybe this isn't a good direction to go in but if you have an environment set up where one side is allowed to act you know aggressively the entire time and the other side isn't then why would anybody on the side that's acting aggressive l call for decorum there's no reason to right you're getting away with all of it nobody's holding you accountable for anything and the other side's not even responding right in evolutionary biology you've got these tit fortat systems that show species that when you engage in a certain type of antisocial Behavior there's often a punishment for it a tat for your tit and if there is no tat then those types of uh uh organisms will will run run rampant and they will take over whatever social system they're in um because they can attack with impunity so I think conservatives need to understand that well hold on if we're going to set the bar at this level and we're going to engage in this type of rhetoric o maybe it is going to come back and and hurt us a little bit too which tragically uh you know if one would say is I think what happened at that event when that guy got shot that the Republicans have been in charge of turning the rhetoric up over and over again denying the election result saying that Democrats are trying to steal the country saying they're trying to you know steal we've heard all these talking points well they're not just talking points they're not just talking points they're they're true and when you engage talking points that's fine but that happens not surprising get violent yeah I often platform and Comm communicate with many people who are on the Left Right say for instance when the uh border crisis started ramping up and there were spaces about that border crisis everybody else was like basically grabbing their Republican best friend I just basically brought the most leftwing guys I could find because that was in short supply and I said hey let's have a conversation with these guys to actually understand what their takes are so I kind of feel those feel somewhat like talking points because I've heard them so much so they are kind of like talking points in a sense but um something I wanted to ask you so given that you are um saying you want to go a bit more you know I mean I I I would term this violent because this kind of is because fear being inflammatory that is by definition I think violent I think there's also a certain degree of being inflammatory where it turns into hate speech which I think is absolutely deplorable um there is a person whose name is uh Chase geyser who you recently blocked uh who challenged you to a lawful duel under the Texas Penal Code 2206 and uh what's your response to that uh I don't have any desire to duel anybody to the death right now so I think I didn't respond to him well I mean I guess you know you want to take up a certain type of you know stance that equals the other side this deal doesn't have to be to the death well I I don't understand what accepting or rejecting a duel has anything to do with any of the things that I'm saying right now well you are saying that we ought to basically emulate the tactics of the other side thereby being def flammatory in order to win right to win more ground I don't think that the other side is winning more ground by challenging people to duels I don't I don't think that's a issue that we're having right now well those are essentially duels right because if you are going to be inflammatory you're essentially engaging with a type of duel an open duel that can be taken by another side or not could be taken by anyone you know if I were to say for instance attack you or any personal element about you then is that not necessarily a dual in a sense because you will have an incent to kind of defend yourself react to it in some way and so you've basically therefore engaged in a duel so I see it as basically the same thing well if it's basically the same thing then I already have accepted and I'm dueling right now I continue to speak that's the manner in which I fight with people and I do with my voice and I will continue to do it my voice cool cool but why did you block the other side then because he was challenging me to a pistol shoot off doesn't have to be you can also set different rules of gagement but still you know if he wants to communicate with you you can give a reason that you don't want to do this but why is your response a block because I given that you want to hear out the other side yeah because he wasn't challenging me to any type if he wanted to challenge me to a debate then I would accept but I'm not going to accept a a boxing match or a shoot off or a pistol D or anything else because that's not what I'm in the business of doing yeah but still why block you could just say that to him why block because I have thousands of people that are tweeting at me constantly and if somebody says something of no value I would rather just block them it's quicker I don't have the time to respond to every single deranged thing that shows up in my replies you could also mute certain words doesn't mean that you have to block the person if you're sat dissatisfied with certain things that you're saying say for instance if I were to call you very specific word that's con constantly used or say I'm using a particular talking point it's almost like a copy paste you can choose to mute that exact talking point and you would basically still see everything else so why aren't you doing that you m somebody do they show up underneath your replies not muting the person I mean muting the words SL talking points if I m the or talking point do they show up under my replies I don't think they do I'm not entirely sure I don't think you see those I mean for other people for other people I think so yes but if other people engage with those com if they talk about it in the same way they would see it no I'd rather just block them I have no desire to engage with that I don't think they offer anything of value underneath my own tweet so I'd rather just block those people and move on everybody has the ability to block on this platform if you want to then simply block and move on well I mean it's not a deal to the death though is not deal to death okay does he if he want I mean if you want to talk to him I could get him up right now if you want to if he wants to come and have a debate or uh yeah sure bring him up if you want cool I guess let me ask him that's what we're going to take a while um yeah no problem he takes a while to respond it probably means that he's communicating saying hey can we get the set up could be because it could be funny yeah well um yeah that's going to chill on itself for a little bit sure yeah just asked him so we'll keep this we'll keep this on the download if you could debate anyone else who would it be cuz I kind of feel like we could also open open up the space a little bit CU I kind of feel like we've kind of reached a stalemate in a sense I still kind of think that I have an answer entirely for why exactly you would engage in you know what could be defined as H speech like why do that I mean the reason is is it's like it would be like it would be like us debating or me debating you over do you think that solid or liquid Rocket Fuel is a better propellant but saying I don't want to talk about physics I can't really talk to you about the nature of inflammatory rhetoric if we're not able to dive into the political issues that are underlying all of the rhetoric itself so it's hard definitely we can definitely talk about rocket fuel in the sense right your kind of Rocket Fuel is solid here but it also is the wrong type of rocket fuel for the rocket that you want to run It's actually an inferior version of that same rocket fuel that I'm using right now which is actually also liquid yeah but I disagree that it's inferior I think it's cheaper hold up well Che doesn't of equal results that are beneficial no being able to do more test being able to do more tests because I have cheaper Rocket Fuel that allows me to test something more and more is superior to using liquid field rocket uh that I might have more controller efficiency over but I have less ability to test it so not really because if you're continually re running the same experiment as to like there is a reason why there's better Rocket Field because you need better Rocket Field in order for the Rockets to actually perform it the way that they should perform right so you actually want to test these rockets in a way that it it it makes sense I'm pretty sure you can put the rest together I'm sure I'm sure that I'm sure that it would make sense to be clear obviously liquid would be superior but in order to really dive into that I think we would probably have to have some knowledge some a little bit of prerequisite knowledge of some kind of physic involved otherwise it be really hard to have that conversation same thing with when we talk about rhetoric um rhetoric is not something that comes after politics or before politics it runs parallel to it it's it's part of it the way that we express our political beliefs is done through the the the rhetoric that we deploy to to convey our political beliefs and to try to divorce the rhetoric from the underlying beliefs themselves is incredibly challenged it's hard to make an argument for anything or you could make an argument for anything if you're not talking about the underlying political issues yeah but still it is not like hate speech is not not a means by which one can de right hate spech is uned them very nice oh I uned them a while ago yeah hate speech is not a what did you say sweet hate speech is not a good way of communicating anything right I I know that you're saying oh we want to discuss a political issue of sorts it is like it's basically like saying hey we have a launch vehicle to launch a certain thing in space it could be literally anything right like because we're using the metaphor for Rockets I think as everyone understands this you know you can have a rocket you can launch anything you can launch bombs or you can launch a satellite right this is your choice you've chosen to launch bombs which I don't think is actually very conducive to any progress whatsoever it just basically progresses things towards more of a violent path right something that one should also prevent now if you could look at say for instance certain treaties about how to operate in space you could look at those as Rules of Engagement on the platform because there are Rules of Engagement which is Al also kind of the enforcement of which has led to your demonetization right because you basically engageed with something that could be identified as hate speech well to be clear I I was demonetized because I was um because engaged in a speech that uh Elon mus didn't like because it betrayed his political not to it is not up to elent rules was like I think he's the one that highlighted I've engaged with much much much worse commentary towards say Palestinians but it seems like nobody cared about that and I wasn't demonetized for that and I've seen other people engage in incredibly important retoric dude it's just much more it's I think it's just much more public now that's why it's been brought to massive attention it causes a lot of damage right I think my Palestinian anti Palestinian tweets were pretty public but regardless I'm just saying that gu when say that hate speech is not a way to communicate anything I mean some people would disagree it depends on it's not a good way to communicate anyways yeah you can communicate whatever you want via hate speech you can launch bombs into space but it's not a thing that you should be doing you keep saying this but it really depends even what you say there you shouldn't launch bombs into space to continue the analogy should you not you know one of the big issues that people are having in space right now for low earth orbit stuff is the amount of space debris there so maybe launching bombs at debris is a superior way of dealing with it than just deorbiting stuff absolutely not actually makes it worse sure maybe deorbiting stuff is actually sending up another then somehow deorbiting it manually right if you were actually blow stuff up then you'd have small little fragments that travel around at the speeds which are like basically faster than a bullet where even a very small small object can have a very large impact depends on how the explosion is done depends on the size of the thing you're trying to deorbit it depends on how you're exping okay potentially uh but when you talk about hate spe worse because fragment okay I'm sure okay when you talk about hate speech as a way to not communicate anything there are lots of people that would disagree with you because they would disagree based on how you would Define hate speech itself that thing is highly contentious for a lot of people and so some people would take an issue with the statement itself because somebody like Jordan Peterson would say well I should be able to call somebody the pronouns that identify them as and other people say well that's hate speech so in that case like who's right and who's wrong the person telling Jordan Peterson don't communicate this because you're using hate speech or Jordan Peterson saying well even if this is hate speech I think it communicates an important idea well but then perhaps maybe you should use a different vehicle to communicate the same idea essentially right because if now okay so cool yeah we're going to have that conversation but who defines hates speech and how is hate speech defined I think if you're basically going to hate on a person who's dead and you're doing this in a very specific way which I think we can basically kind of look at I'm not going to voice it because I think the way like I'm not going to voice it because that itself just is going to make me feel dirty I don't like that that's it's a it's a it's a moral it's a moral problem I have no idea how exactly you can actually bring yourself to type these things out and hit send it's just wild I think that I sometimes think that I post Psychopathic stuff sometimes because it kind of challenges reality but nothing comes close to this because it doesn't really challenge real it just kind of makes things worse in every way it's like a BL almost right you don't have to do this you did it anyway you don't have to do anything nobody has to post anything at all there's no obligation to do anything whatsoever so yeah exactly you not to um sure I mean you could argue you simply ought not to engage with social media at all it probably makes everybody's lives a little bit worse off depending upon uh what particular metrics we no no no there's Rules of Engagement rules engagement am I bring am I going to bring an SMG to a chess game probably not sure but would you bring brought to no there is no chess game being played right now there is an SMG game being played right now I find it hard to believe that the side that encouraged and giggled along with Donald Trump making fun of captured prisoners of war and saying I prefer the guys who weren't captured that that side has all of a sudden discovered morality and doesn't like it when people are inflammatory towards other people uh you know be them dead or not I I don't I just don't believe that I think that if conservatives truly didn't like that type of inflammatory rhetoric I think they would have police the rhetoric on their side a little bit better rather than encouraging it non-stop well then you can also make that same exact argument and say that they're engaging with a very specific type of inflammatory speech even though it' be rhetoric in the sense because the other side has always historically done that that could also be an argument okay then that then we'll continue to do it over and over and over again I guess until we race to the bottom and destroy ourselves but right now the conservatives have shown absolutely no inclination towards pumping the brakes on any of it and liberals pumping the brakes on it in the past doesn't seem to have helped at all you have the most again milk toast speaker in the universe is Joe Biden who we both agree can barely string together a sentence and we're matching his rhetoric with one of the most inflammatory presidents in recent history so it seems like liberals trying to turn the temperature down isn't really helping much okay we could we could uh we could kind of agree on some aspects of that okay now of course we're still aren really truly addressing the platform thing or kind of just edging towards that and like this little thing you know you ever played this you ever played this weird game where you'd like basically spin this little thing in like a bowl and we're just kind of getting towards the center of the ball which is a subject and then we just bounce back off of it that's kind of what it feels like but it's still interesting game and it's still entertaining children are still going to sit there for I was doing it and that's exactly what we're doing right now what do you okay what is the thing that you think we're not making progress towards or what is the like if you could express the singular idea that you're just saying really terrible things about a dead person for instance yeah I think it's funny why why would that be funny why would horrifying stuff be funny and why do you think that's good why well why do I think it's good why would horrifying stuff be funny I mean people joke about horrifying things all the time do they not it depends depends on the context if it's like a horror movie and you're doing something that uh you have a simulated horror which is not a real thing we can can all agree that that's not a real thing then that's just basically making fun of a dumbass movie right but if you you're actually talking about something that's very real you know do I think that we should be making fun of people who are prisoners of War absolutely not I don't think it's a good thing at all it's very bad form war is not good war is very ugly and I think that people who are in war can largely agree that this kind of practice is very very bad given that they're actually there fighting right this is also why think that basically rhetoric like here on X for instance certain people are doing spaces and they're constantly drumming stuff up it doesn't even matter what site it's on it's just terrible it's bad it [ __ ] things up it makes the war worse because it actually brings then the same the same sense of War into people's lives that have actually nothing to do with the war then has responses from them and then basically you have an entirely new war that's waged in kind of like a cyber space I don't think that's a good thing I think that's terrible okay if we agree that these are bad things then all sides have to play by those rules you're in a very simple Game Theory environment where if one side is allowed to act with impunity and the other side isn't then one side is going to continue to act with impunity and right now for some reason Liberals are held to an insane speech standard where you're not allowed to make fun of conservatives even if they're you know saying stupid [ __ ] and reaping the consequences for said stupid [ __ ] that they're saying whereas on the other side it liberals have to suffer an infinite amount of uh you know cultural push back or self-censorship or whatever um it's I think there some liberals who I think there are some liberals who are not too extreme I'm I'm going to talk about people who are extreme extremely far left you know of course there are a lot of people on the left who I agree with many many of them are my friends many of them I would even trust with my life if it came down to it right just to kind of put that into perspective right the very far left engage with exactly what you've just described and actually I think are causing the most the most noise uh okay I mean none of them are drowning out the voice of Donald Trump who how do you deal with that you have to see the other side policing itself there is no virtue right now there is nothing to be gained by policing your own side speech when the other side won't do it and inflammat RoR Center going to say something to the farle and say stop this [ __ ] the far left yes the center left has rejected the farle over and over and over and over again what are you talking about give me an example uh give you an example I mean how about when Bernie Sanders was wholly rejected by the Democrat Party and a moderate one how about when Bernie Sanders or any far far-left people didn't really get uh prominent places in bom in Biden's Administration but rather they went to more moderate Democrats how about when the um when the uh four Justice stems have had to moderate their position so much so that they've been disowned by the entire radical left on Twitter in order to be effective members of Congress now can you you give me can you give me a single example of any prominent Republican pushing back against any of Donald Trump's extreme rhetoric just one somebody that has primarily focus on politics which is why I'm asking you for examples on the left okay because I just don't know I simply do not know well that was my example I mean if you look at Congress right now there are no far-left people there are no socialists or Communists like there and the four again the four justi stems of which AOC is the most popular has moderated a ton so much so that if you go online these people have now been disavowed by the farli even Bernie Sanders has been disavowed by the far left for calling out anti-Semitism interesting wait that's a weird parallel to draw that I kind of don't want to put any attention on because of what you just said about anti-Semitism I think that's a very risky thing to make a parallel of well I can't get demonetized anymore on Twitter so I'm sorry on X Jesus Christ man yeah not not necessarily a good Pursuit now is it what's not okay so what is your position exactly where are you positioned at in the oron window uh I mean it depends on the particular policies that we're talking I would be anywhere from Center left to far left it depends on if we're talking social issues or if we're talking economics okay I'm gonna okay so where exactly would you then place the interaction with a dead person where exactly would you place that in which category because you just named certain C categories and these categories are then also positions on an alignment chart so which category does that fall under to I don't know if I don't know social issu Ed humor goes into a political binary from left to right that's not humor that's disturbing well I mean jokes about the Holocaust can be disturbing but they can also still be funny I mean I don't know what you're going to say like you like humor can be disturbing like that's no no you don't think any of are funny really oh okay I think a lot of them are funny I think they maybe you just don't appreciate any kind of dark humor I do appreciate dark humor but I don't like to joke about war crimes okay I think those are some of the funniest jokes but all right oh my God that's kind of a I know I kind of feel like it's potentially the issue here and I think we're getting very close to that now um so you think there are some things that should never be joked about I think there's some things that one should look at historically and say like for instance if I were to take uh in Germany for instance the the schwas is you're not supposed to use that for anything think about it that way if you now make a joke about it and you put it everywhere that's a problem right I'm not so just to be clear um and I'm not trying to attack any example no I understand but as an example I would disagree with that I'm an American I enjoy our first amember protections for free speech I would disagree with any law that tries to make drawing a swasa or making a hill s illegal I think that in the United States we should enjoy the freedom to express those things so if if I were to put this more directly if there was a KK group and they were expressing themselves you'd be fine with that when you say be fine exing specifically say let's let's imagine hold on wait wait you got to Define when you say be fine with that what do you mean like I wouldn't be fine with that I think there would be abhorent beliefs but do I think that like the police should crack down on it no do I think they should be banned from social media platforms generally no depends on the type of behavior you engagement if it's like Target harassment or doxing or something else and maybe not or maybe you should be but I mean yeah depends on what you mean when you say be fine with it okay yeah something something something along those lines so you'd basically tolerate it to a certain extent is that what I'm hearing well yeah and for the way that the United States works there's some level of discourse there's some groups of beliefs that you would find abhorent that you would necessarily have to be able to function with because that's kind of how the United States works we have a diversity of opinion here okay so within that so but by basically within that same within within that same sphere you think it's then also okay to joke about a person who's dead yeah of course what if I were to make okay so what if I were to make fun of you after you've passed it make a lot of jokes about you turn into a massive Trend how would you feel about that well I'd be dead so you don't think that when I travel you don't think I I joke about that myself constantly uh I just took a trip to Israel and I know that there are a ton of people that were rooting for me to be killed by either side if I got killed by an ID Soldier yeah every Lefty on the internet would be blowing up and making fun of me if I got killed by a Palestinian every right leaning person would make fun of me yeah I mean this is what happens of course okay what do you think that is because like well what what exactly is your position like okay let's take it let's take a little further what is sorry what is your actual goal like with all of this of what you're doing you're like streaming every single day I think you're causing lots of drama what's what's your actual goal like where do you see this going in say 10 years what's the impact that you want I mean who knows 10 years is a long time by then maybe AI will have destroyed us all uh in terms of what my goal is my goal is to just communicate a political message that I think is um is is true and righteous uh to as many people as possible in as convincing a manner as possible that's my goal and you somehow think that making fun of a that person AIDS in that or is part of that well more people are watching me right now as a result to have said rhetoric than they were 3 days ago when I wasn't so I mean to some extent I can argue right now that well it actually seems like it demonstrably is paid off in numbers um in other ways I would look at my performance over the past six or seven months where I think I've had more penetration into mainstream is Media than I ever had before but I'm not happy with those conversations I don't think those were that good so when I look at the lukewarm conversations or the milk toast conversations that I had with Jordan Peterson with Ben Shapiro um you know with these types of figures and then I look at the arguments that I made I would say well you know actually I don't know if I represented my side too well because it's just a bunch of Centrist coming together going like wow what a nice conversation but not actually seriously considering any of the ideas being presented just being happy that both sides were calmly speaking to each other okay you could you could think of it this way but generally I think with a lot of political rhetoric the reason why a lot of people engage with you is actually for the drama itself it's not actually that you're that you're fostering a positive message I don't believe that that is actually occurring you may think that is occurring I'm not sure if that if that is what you think you're doing but I don't see that that's happening right I actually see the only reason why anyone would Eng engage with you is the same reason that people have engaged with various other people have attempted to do the same thing for the purpos of just basically seeing drama right because essentially what you've Define for me what he said hey I've made a negative joke about somebody and that has positively reflected um on my reach then basically that's just the textbook definition of cloud chasing um You can call it Cloud chasing if you want but I mean the well I mean in a way every single thing you do as somebody that survives off of the attention of other people is cloud chasing every single thing Donald Trump does every single thing every single influencer does is clout chasing to some extent we're all trying to Market ourselves and get more eyes on us yeah sure let me finish real quick that's great yeah so like you can argue that I uh that I engage with drama toate some viewers in and yeah for sure I absolutely do I do a wide a wide type of content on my stream and some of it is drama related but once I have people here uh I'm more well read in almost any of the issues that I talk about than basically any other pundit right now in media that's talking about these things so when I have conversations about vaccines or when I have conversations about Palestine and Israel or when I have conversations about the Supreme Court cases I'd rather catch some people with drama and keep them around while we read the entire opinion uh rather than have people go watch somebody else for drama and then survive off of Twitter headlines so you catch more uh flies with honey I believe is what they say right yeah but I think your main your main goal here should not be to catch flies so to speak in a sense right like there's a problem that I have with that specific aim right you can gain you can gain an audience through drama like this and it's amazing right it's it's a huge growth trajectory but it's just not something that is sustainable and it's also not something that is positive in any in any ma in any manner right so basically your argument here is is that you engage with this that is actually negative in order to gain the attention that is needed to spread what you think at the end of the day is a positive message is that correct yeah and I appreciate your feedback well no I don't um and that I don't respect it or regard it I would consider that if anything I would say I'm probably a subject matter expert on internet relevancy at this point probably more so than almost anyone else on the planet given that I've done this for 15 years I think I know what works I think I know what doesn't work I think I've seen a lot of things that work I've seen a lot of things that don't work um yeah and random comments about how well this is going to be the thing that destroys you and blah blah blah like generally come from people that don't have a good understanding of the space I'm not going to say that this is the thing that's going to destroy you I'm not actually saying anything about your destruction I'm just basically trying to ascertain exactly where your position is at for myself personally and in doing so also giving other people that understand that is my perspective that is my also that is also kind of my purpose on this platform right this also why I talk to certain people like initially it's not a good idea to actually talk to you right but I still make this conversation happen because I want to have this conversation because I have a specific thing I want to push right an understanding of this specific instance because a lot of that's the only reason I actually heard about you up until about I think a month ago I have not heard about you somebody randomly brought you up I I watched a 30second clip about you and then I forgot you again and then this thing came up again so perhaps you know of course there's a method to your Madness in the sense in that you have attained an additional audience but in a sense I don't think that's really good because what you're pushing here is not actually a positive message I would say it's just about as bad as all the other weird memes like the plane freak out and the Hua meme where basically you're just saying hey if you do these kind of weird things as a human being then you'll be successful because you get the max amount of cloud well in order to have that conversation we would have to engage on substance but you said you've wanted to avoid political conversation so there's not really much Headway that no that is substance rhetoric is not substance rhetoric is is not substance to me these are things that I engage in and it draws eyes to my content and then once you have their eyes on my content then I engage in substantive conversation or research or analysis um but I mean the way that you've just worded that is substantive in a man in in a way no that's Pro that's like procedural that's not that's not substantive procedure right these are the things that I do uh now what we do with those things that we do how do we like how we take apart things using these procedures is is the substance in my opinion and basically saying here is a box with the potential for some it's like Shing his cat but imagine it's a box for a concept right it's like a it's like a zero you know nobody can actually grasp the concept of what a zero is because it's truly nothing the very existence of nothing is not possible thereby it's nothing so you have to actually put a box around of nothing for nothing to truly exist within our brain space so it's actually a thing now so we're going to talk about reic as if it was a box right there is no rhetoric within within this box but it's a box that is always used to deliver rhetoric now where exactly you are going to send this box depends upon you I just don't think that that type of box needs to be sent to someone who has passed away that's fine but to to divorce the rhetoric from what's being said is is incredibly difficult the way that I would speak to uh you know like a partner's parent or the way that is going to be different than the way that I would speak to a child which is going to be different than the way that I would speak to a police officer who's pulled me over is going to be different than the way that I would speak to somebody on a social like all of these things are going to be different it's it's impossible really to divorce rhetoric from what's actually being said when rhetoric is just the expression of a of a thing being said it's like trying to analyze uh you know phenotype without genotype or or trying to analyze um I don't know like any two things that are that are required for each thing to exist and express the other thing I don't know how you can analyze rhetoric and to find out if rhetoric is good or not or particular rhetoric is good or bad or not without getting into the substance of what's being said more like where it is applied okay so let's say for instance we have to again these are different types of boxes so there's something really toxic there's the box that we don't actually ever want to pull out because it contains something really [ __ ] up right let's say for instance the types of rhetoric that you've engaged in when referring to say that that person right you chosen a very specific type of ver you've chosen to deliver a very particular box you've not just like taken the generalized concept of veric itself as a whole box you've just taken a very specific quality of that box and you've decided to send it there even though this thing should not even be sent in the first place much like a nuke you basically chose to Nuke a dead guy well can you give me well I mean I feel like a nuke is a bad example because have there not been times historic decided that we do need to Nuke somebody or do you think that like the nukes it's a decimation well it's a conceptual nuke so you can keep using it well yeah but I'm saying do you think that in the non-conceptual sense in the very real sense was like nuking Japan what are we talking about grown man prot his family needed to die and anybody who supports Trump deserves to die hold up hold up a second we're gonna we're gonna get into this I hold you cool for a second hold you cool for a second just a second when you when you say a box that should never be pulled out genociding a bunch of people is probably not the best thing like say for instance the case of Japan do you think it was good to kill all these innocent people that had nothing to do with any of the conflict and just happened to exist in the wrong place at the wrong time because I think by all intents and purposes that was a case and also even the fact that uh M major a lot of their major cities were burnt down with Napal before any of the nukes even mattered first do you think that was a good thing uh I don't think that there were a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the conflict I think that all of Japan's population was poised to engage in Total War I think that the entirety of the population was literally to ready to fight uh you know hand and and tooth uh over the potential of the American Army I don't think you had anti population of people who are ready to surrender that's how you justify that I think the majority of people tend to want to avoid war because when it actually comes down to it people are forced to go to war as opposed to doing it willingly and of unless of course you brainwash them into that then how did the emperor maintain his legitimacy despite the fact that Japan had been engaged in war for some 10 years what do you mean the people were all there for war they were ready to fight they believed in the superior of their Emperor and their people and they wanted to follow the war through to the end or they didn't want to somehow Dethrone the empire her because that is not a good thing to do within the time of war or perhaps you don't want to do that in the first place because none of the civilians were actually wanting Conflict at all because I don't think anyone truly desires conflict within a stable life I don't I'm pretty sure that the average family that was just trying to get by who's like an office worker at the time who then got subsequently nuked had a desire for conflict I think you should read into the ideas and desires of the people that existed in Japan during World War II and prior to thata that was brought forth even by the country itself in order kind of affirm a certain idea to the enemy which was the United States at the time this doesn't mean that it represents the opinions or the feelings of the entire populace that just means that the war propaganda was very effective at signaling exactly this concept to the enemies which was then of course used as a justification to then eventually nuked them I believe within your context of what you're saying okay I never heard argument ever in my entire life I mean if that was the case then I would agree with you but I don't believe anybody's ever you want to go to war put for do I want to go to war I mean it would depend on the war no no no just in general if any War if there was any war and you would just be there anything doesn't matter what the war is even if it's a losing War would you would you still engage with it you can't answer that question without context do I yes you can no you can't yeah the context is a war exists it doesn't matter what that war is it does matter if you for toight will you because the answer that I would give would greatly depend upon the war itself of course no because that is still the thing if you're like say I'm trying to basically speak from the perspective of a person say in Japan who's just living their life and let's imagine that you are that person as well if you were made to go to war would you do it if I believed at the time that my people were Superior and that we needed to you know dominate the continent next to us and that we needed to fight to secure our position in the world and be the leaders of the world maybe yeah I would want to go to war I guess okay yeah well there there in actually kind of highlights your existing position because you are that type of person who already ready for conflict kind of wants to engage with that to a certain extent but only if you say that there is a winning position to make which is kind of interesting because I think that kind of reflects the arguments chosen which is also the reflection of politics um I I don't understand what any of that mean it's like asking somebody like would you ever want to kill a dog if dog was attacking me trying to kill me then I probably would kill the dog I mean it depends on the circumstances of course yeah yeah cool cool no basically what I'm discovering no sorry what what I'm discussing here is basically there is a box we're talking about boxes in a certain extent because we are looking at Concepts not just with substance within them and you're basically saying I don't want to argue with boxes I want to argue with the contents right no because that's the only way that you can win so basically that is like the distillation that is like the distillation of how you would go to war if you'd said hey for instance if I have to dominate a neighboring content continent and I was convinced that we could actually win this war then I would go to war but what if that was not the case would you then also still go to war when you ask if ask me if I you do that it depends on the war it depends on what you're fighting for uh you're fighting for a country and you probably want to get more territory let's let's set that as a president I think that was exactly also what happened so if you were to take that that Contex specifically you knew it was a losing War would you still fight if I was in the United States and it was an aggressive war and it was a war no no no no no no no I'm talking about Japan specifically because you're basically making an excuse for why these people are being nuked because that was that's what I wasn't I was saying I wasn't saying that the people I was challenging your idea the people were just innocent civilians that were idly wandering by and they happen to be bombs they they weren't just idly W wandering by people in the Army were the ones who were actually fighting and the people who are living inside of the city were the ones who are living inside theity have and uniforms for the people that wanted to volunteer to fight most of the Japanese citizens were poison ready to fight the incoming planned American you need somebody to actually make stuff but sure that's that's fine you're ever looking for toal war if you want to apply that to a country Japan was like the best example of a total war country where everying member of that Society was essentially ready to fight to the death against the incoming American Invaders they were they were poison ready to fight conceptu conceptu you cannot guarantee that though these are still innocent civilians they were not they didn't want to fight you can't guarantee but then do you run that gamble with a million of your own citizens with a million of your own soldiers do you run that gamble that Lottery and hope that well maybe once we invade maybe they'll all back off and just kind of chill no you're still going to use government propaganda of course doesn't mean that that reflects reality I'm asking then your enemies are going to use that as an excuse to basically D the [ __ ] out of you Happ so then should have America should America have done a ground Invasion then no of course not I don't think there should have been any Invasion at all there should have probably been a defense of certain territories but I think that perhaps the new king of innocent civilians which is exactly what that was was a bad thing to do wasn't it it set a lot of fear into everyone and also I think led to a lot of Damages where for instance nuclear technology would probably be a lot would probably still be here in many different ways we say for instance we're still using like fossil fuels to power our cities in some areas that's complet that's terrible right we we'd actually want to have more nuclear power as opposed to less of it and then something like this this impact us using you know the the the understanding of nuclear power as a weapon actually made this specific way of generating power a negative thing that is bad is actually con kind kind of contributed to a very bad impact I mean that that is a hypothetical argument that you could make unfortunately we can never study the basically was used as an argument to basically shut can you can also make the argument that one of the biggest reasons why nuclear proliferation is something to be avoided around the world is because people saw how destructive nuclear weapons were in World War II that seeing two cities nuked is so immediately and so entirely by singular bombs which we're still very primitive in making is one of the things that led the entire world to come around and say wow we probably really need to stop countries from Gathering nuclear weapons maybe we should make NATO maybe nuclear umbrella but this but this wouldn't have happened if people would seen the destructive power of those nuclear weapons Japan didn't even really believe the first one would go off the Soviets didn't know how strong they would be and once they saw the first one and they saw the Soviet like well Sho okay maybe Soviets use the Zar bomber which is like but nobody seen SE sure nobody had seen these bombs tested on cities before nobody knew if these would be as effective in combat as they could have been right even though the Soviets did have their own nuclear the Germans were pursuing those I'm just saying that without seeing them in action without seeing cities destroyed without seeing 40 60 50 whatever 80,000 people vaporized the world they didn't did you think they tested them on civilians and cities they actually I mean one of the things that one of the things that were actually tested on model cities was in fact Napal which was then also subsequently used as well and the nukes were just a way to finish it but besides that what was the highest the highest amount of civilians killed in a nuclear bombing besides Hiroshima and Nagasaki and they do clear bombing those two exactly so the world seeing these two cities everybody know everybody in the world you didn't have to have a massive loss of life in order to understand how dangerous it was if you didn't have an understanding of how dangerous it was then maybe it wouldn't have been dropped in the first place you have no idea if that's trueing that you have no idea if that's true no it's not if you see the Zar bomber basically leveling all kinds of [ __ ] and you basically say here for instance my Pilots over here have a 50% chance of survival because that's how strong the [ __ ] bomb is I think that's an understanding even the same thing with all the tests in Nevada at the time you think everybody understood how powerful these things were how many people do you think know what the SAR bomb is a lot of people people I think almost everyone okay I can't we're just factually very far apart should I put a vat out how many people know what it it doesn't matter anyways um prob less than like five or 10% of people I've ever even heard that term before that'd be my guess Zar bomb are you sure because everybody's like talking about nuclear this or nuclear that yep everybody knows what Terminator is and everybody knows what Terminator is everybody knows what nukes are and if everybody knows what nukes are then everybody knows what the Zar bombas because that's the biggest batt of all the nukes okay I would guess 5 to 10% of the population okay perhaps anyways