Kamala Harris Clearly Won Debate vs Donald Trump

little bit different than the June debate right Ju Just just a hair it is funny I was talking with my wife we were just thinking back it was just about two and a half months three months ago whatever it was that Joe Biden was up there and I thought about it when one of the candidates said something about Medicare and it made me immediately think of when when Joe Biden had the moment where he just froze up and said you know we we beat Medicare so yeah a little bit different uh tonight so we got Ryan Claus saying yo we got Ryan CL also saying betting markets say comma one debate it was a three onone talking about the the moderators at ABC let me start here though I'm gonna throw it to you I want you to have the floor first but I did want to I did want to show you this live is this so I I just want to be clear I have not looked at anything I have not looked at V markets I have not looked at X other than I saw a few a few uh tweets or X um right before I came on but I'm GNA guess Paris is now the favorite she was the underdog when I looked earlier today yep so I'm with you I did not look at X but I did look at the election betting odds throughout the debate I thought it was kind of interesting to see the es in the flows while let's say Trump was doing well and then K was doing well and vice versa and watching so I'll show you live here so look this is this is let me just refresh so everybody knows it's up to date 10:52 p.m. Eastern so 2 minutes ago so kamla Harris is now the favorite 51% to 47.4% so we're basically looking at three and a half points I know it's hard to see that but Eric basically today Harris jumped 4.1 percentage points Trump dropped 3.6 so we're talking about dang near close to an 8 point sng basically based on this debate to me that tells the story look partisans are goingon to spin this how they spin it but if you're looking at this even remotely objectively KLA Harris won that debate I think the only question is was it a judge's scorecard like when or did she she knock him down several times to you know to the point where it was a a unanimous decision Maybe even a a TKO early in the debate I thought that was Trump's best moment she looked to me a little nervous when she came out a little stiff a little rehearsed didn't answer well at all what is a pretty layup question to begin the debate is are you better off than you were four years ago she could have easily said do you remember what what four years ago was September of 2020 do you remember that time unemployment was 10 12% millions of people were out of work work thousands of people were dying every day from a a virus we had no cure for and the president at that time was about to be fired because of his handling of that pandemic like that was a layup and she blew that and I I'll be honest at that point I thought Trump may win this debate like I thought I don't know like she was okay I mean obviously it was nowhere near a Biden situation but I thought Trump early on had the better of some of the exchanges but it was close but then it turned and in last hour of the debate I thought Harris dominated I mean when you especially when you got into foreign policy and to me Charlie we can break down some of the answers and that the thing that really swung it this is what what what I wrote down at the time when I thought it really turned can I guess yes go ahead can I guess well first of all I think I think it's clear Trump trump was winning for about the first 20 minutes I agreed K's first answer was kind of that word salad that the right always says the KLA comes out with it absolutely turned on abortion 20 minutes in she she took all the momentum with a great answer on abortion and it it seemed like that momentum carried for the next hour or so and although Trump had some good moments and good lines basically from from the 20 minute mark on KLA Harris clearly won the debate it's interesting you say that because I have a different moment I agree with you on the abortion thing but the the moment I I noted was when Harris talked about his rallies which at the time I thought what is she doing like at the at the time I thought why is she just randomly bringing up his rallies and how bored people are and people are leaving like I thought what what what's going on here but clearly what she was doing is she was laying a trap and Trump took it because from that moment I think for the rest of the debate his mood changed and he became angry like you could see he was pissed and that stayed with him pretty much the rest of the debate and I don't think it benefited him I think he came off as rambling like at times kind of detached from reality his J January 6 stuff the the election denying and she re and on foreign policy when they got into the the Ukraine war I mean she really had some great lines Putin would have you for lunch they manipulate you with flattery and favor she crushed him on the election denial stuff uh January 6th talking about that day I was in the capital we need to turn the page you're right I thought the abortion stuff was was good for her uh but I also thought that it was it was getting under Trump's skin I think clearly laying a trap for him I mean why else would she bring up his his rallies I mean that doesn't really matter in terms of who the next president's going to be I think they planned that out think they thought let's get under his skin and try to get him angry and agitated and I think it worked so and look I actually look at these notes baby we got almost oh yeah almost two pages I think you might have more than I do there so was was see that a light was the rally was that after abortion was that right after that was right after abortion okay yeah so I I think look early on because Trump is good at these little onliners so again if we're just starting from the from the jump first of all I thought the handshake was nice it was awkward and and KLA Harris literally introduces herself which is funny I mean the fact that she was in the Senate the whole time that he was president and they'd never met that's also odd I would think that every Senator should have met the president for a second um but then like let make can I make a point on handshake real quick if you watch that that was Harris going to Trump I don't think Trump was going to shake her hand she walked basically across the stage and and the thing I liked about that a I just think even if they hate each other I think it's nice when they shake hands like I don't know maybe I'm oldfashioned just shake hands let's try to restore some sense of our normaly and our institutions even in these crazy times but that showed you what I think played out through the debate she was the aggressor in this debate and sometimes who wins a debate comes down to who is perceived to be as the aggressor who throwing the punches and I think especially after as we talked about the first 15 20 minutes when she when she her footing was a little wobbly I think once she got that footing down I think she was clearly the aggressor of this debate and you're right about the abortion answer I thought Trump did okay on that at the beginning but the but the mistake he made was he says was was when he said that's what people wanted and credit her for picking up on that line and rather than going into a canned rehearsed okay here's my abortion talking point like she did earlier on the economy she took that line Trump said and said this is what women want women want to be in the car with their husband when they're miscarrying because they can't get an abortion they want to have to take a pregnancy to term because they're a victim of incest like that was really effective in that moment so I totally agree with you on that yeah I wrote that line down she basically said she said bleeding out in a car in a parking lot that was a good line if we go back early so again I did think kamla's first answer was word salad she seemed like she was she was nervous she came back with a better second response Trump had some good lines run Spot Run if you remember that was good like your plan is basically just uh the the most basic kindergarten plan um he also said you know I'm going to send you a Maga hat basically saying you're stealing my my policies right um and then like I said I I think and we're we're talking about the same time frame about 20 25 minutes in abortion then the rallies everything turned right there I thought Trump had a couple good lines about about Biden though basically saying uh you know he spends all his time on the beach and uh you know you have to you have to wake up your president at uh four at 4 pm to have him go sign a bill and all that so look I can go line by line I think we both agree look if if you think Donald Trump won this debate you're insane and and you're just being partisan you really he just he lost here's the deal you you know and I haven't looked at X either but the narrative is going to be and I think there's a bit of fairness to this argument but the the narrative on the right is going to be that ABC News moderators were super biased and I do think now look Trump got fact checked about two or three times he got fact checked on the the postbirth abortion he got fact checked on the eating dogs with if that was on your bigo card by the way to bring up the Haitian dog eaters which he said M multiple times he went back to the eating of the dogs so and you know what I I think I think there is a bit of an argument there to some of the questioning also I feel like the questions did favor KLA Harris a bit like there could have been a question that was about kamla why why have you flip-flopped on a lot of positions and I'm just trying to be fair here I'm sitting I'm watching it with my wife they fact check Trump more but to be fair Trump lied more I think that's fair to say but I do think the line of questioning did benefit well Charlie they they did ask her on the they did ask her the flipflop question yeah they did ask her the flip to be fair to them they did ask her the flipflop question they asked well they asked it first it went twice it no it that was the funny thing is it wasn't actually about fracking but she answered it with fracking which I thought was interesting they asked her about her position on um I think it was it was the Border I think it was border crossings being criminalized because in her earlier campaign she had said it shouldn't be criminalized and then they asked her in the same question it was Lindsey Davis one other thing thing and she took the question and turned it right away to fracking which they didn't even ask her about and um and then they asked her later about her flip-flopping on Medicare for all during the health care section which was near the end of the debate look I said this for the Biden debate back when we thought the Biden debate was maybe GNA be normal we I remember you and I did a preview show and I said that I said this is how you can tell if Trump won or lost the debate if right-wing X and and the right-wing media complex is talking more about at that time the CNN moderators than they are about the debate that means Trump lost if they're not talking about the moderators that means Trump won well of course what happened nobody talked about the moderators in fact Trump said the CNN now moderators were great right but here I think you're right I think the narrative on the right I haven't really gone in the check yet but I could it's going to be David mirer and Lindsey Davis and the ABC uh people were over the top now what I would say to that is it's tough because as the C Trump is a unique political animal in many many ways one of the ways is he all politicians lie or exaggerate or misconstrue their opponent's arguments right that happens all the time and in every debate but Trump takes it to such an extreme on sometimes such blatantly obvious things that I feel like there are times if you don't fact check it you look bad but then if you do fact check it you also look bad because people point out well it was fact checked and the other candidate wasn't fact check so I think that is something that the Trump people are GNA point to I think that shows that they're losing um do I think and I thought the ABC moderators did a pretty good job I thought they asked some tough questions on both sides did it no will I say that if I had to like gun to my head I think they were a little bit harder on Trump I think that's fair I think they were I think it is fair to say they were a little bit harder on Trump I do not think that is why he lost that debate uh by any means and I do think it's worth pointing out Trump here's the thing the Trump people do is they say you have to treat us like we're normal right you have to treat us like every other politician but but he's not he's just not like he's objectively not like any other Pol because let's start with the basic thing no other politician has ever tried to overturn the results of an election and continue to lie about it year after year after year to undermine our democracy so he's not a normal politician so you the media not treating him like one how do you do that you know when you're in the media I think it's a great media debate how do you deal with Trump how do you debate him if you're as the opposing candidate because he again he is not a normal politician like when the fact checks come out Harris said some things and I wrote them down that are that are not true or misleading she had several that that and I think it's fair to point those out she said that Trump want has a wants to get do away with IVF that's not true Trump has been supportive of IVF she said that uh the the Charlottesville thing which Biden always brought up as well if you read the full quote of what Trump said on Charlottesville it is much less Dam in than the quote they always go to of good people on both sides he provided more context of what he was talking about and if so so Trump is mostly right on that so so Harris said some things that weren't true but when the fact checks come out it's GNA be three to one four to one five to one in terms of the the lies and and mischaracterizations Trump versus Harris so let's say you have two candidates and one of them is lying or manipulating or distorting the record five times as much as the other one are you as a moderator supposed to treat that equally is that your job I mean I'm not I'm asking like I'm not saying I'm I'm honestly asking that's not a I'm not trying to be you know I'm I'm really asking the question what do you do in that scenario like when you have a candidate for president who tried to overturn an election and is on stage talking about H three years later how he Lo how he really won that election how January 6 was not a big deal how he Bears no responsibility for that like as a moderator what are you supposed to do with that do you just treat that like two candidates sparring over Healthcare I I mean I'm seriously for the Trump people I'm asking you what do you do with that we've never been in that position before yeah no that's a great point and uh it's funny because so so the factchecking and and the the flip-flopping on KLA Harris she must have handled it dang well because I I watched that whole freaking thing with my notebook and she was able to to spin that one pretty well where I feel like Trump could have pressed her on that and so I I agree with you Trump's lies Miss truth whatever you want to call them they're much more egregious but the two that I wrote down you brought up one of them where I do think so the whole thing about fine people on both sides that that has been totally debunked a a long time ago right that they they totally took that quote out of context the other one is the bloodbath quote where yes Trump was talking about um what energy was he talk or the he was talking about the the Auto industry yes bloodbath for the a he meant for the Auto industry Trump Harris let's be real at this point because that has been such a big storyline especially on the right and and folks debunking that kamla Harris knows what he actually said so by the way I'm only bringing this up because look to me KLA Harris clearly won and she didn't win just because of the moderators she she won it wasn't a split decision again I agree with you I think I think the moderators were slightly biased towards KLA Harris I'm just trying to bring up a couple points I think they could have fact checked her on the bloodbath and on the fine people on both sides I think that was fair because I just don't remember a lot of fact checks to her but then again the things Trump says are so crazy you know the the dogs and the cats being eaten you know the here's another good one the postbirth abortion thing which I've heard so many times I finally had to look it up I'm watching that debate I'm like well what is this and it's that Governor what Ralph Northam yeah the one who dressed in who wore black face Fai so if you can look this up folks don't take my word for it because I'm just like you I heard this so many times that people are allowing postbirth abortions I'm like I have to look this up it was like a hypothetical question he was asked yes if if a woman was in labor and had a fetus with a bunch of abnormalities right and and deformities it was the craziest question it was a hypothetical so yeah also that's been taken totally out of context to act like Democrats want babies after their birth to be murdered which is AB it's crazy the fact check that they that they said is it's it's illegal to kill a baby after their boorn anywhere in the country which is true what what noram I think was talking about and what does happen sometimes is a baby is born who has very little time to live and in that situation the parents and the doctor decide because they have a genetic defect they have a terrible disease in that horrible situation the parents and the doctor decide okay do we try to do everything we can to keep this baby alive or do we just let the baby pass nobody's killing the baby right that so so when Trump says that is completely crazy and ridiculous but he says it all the time like it's just totally true he said he had nothing to do with January 6 he he summoned the people there they were there because of him they went to the capital because of him they tried to overturn the you know stop the peaceful transfer of power because of him he says that the the election was fraudulent I mean we we all know that there's no need to get into that he says crime is is up in America crime is down and then he says the numbers are a lie they're not a lie it's the FBI statistics from last year it's the biggest one-year drop in homicides we've ever seen he's the numbers are preliminary they can change over time but the numbers as of now that we have on record that's what they say and by the way if you look at most big cities in the first eight months of this year most big cities the murder rate is down even from the lower numbers of last year down even further he talks about immigrants sending their emptying their asane asylums in prisons there's there's no like CNN reached out to the campaign and they said Trump says this over and over again send us proof of where are these asane asylums being emptied the Trump campaign didn't respond of course they didn't because it's not happening there's just so many things the trade deficit with China that's another thing it was actually higher under Trump than it was under Biden the jobs that returned from uh after the pandemic were all jobs that were lost by the pandemic that's not true a lot of them were like N9 million of them were that part is right but then there were another like 10 or 12 million that by the Biden Administration added on top of that so it's the volume of the lies with Trump it's how overthe toop they are eating the dogs so again I'm honestly asking the question if put yourself in the shoes of the moderators because essentially what you're saying if you don't fact check some of this stuff is a moderator of a debate should never fact check anything that's that's essentially would be your argument right because if you can't fact check that the last election was was not stolen then I don't know what you can fact check right and so I just think that a moderator does have some responsibility to to keep the train somewhat on the RS oh I'm getting breaking news here Charlie for my lovely wife this is big this is huge what do we have Taylor Swift has endorsed KLA Harris Taylor S I'm being told this is official let me let me see so you want to say something that will moove the betting odds this is from the Instagram account of Taylor Swift like many of you I watch the debate tonight if you haven't already now is a great time to do your research on the issues at hand and the stances these candidates take on the topics that matter to you the most as a voter I make sure to watch and read everything I can about their proposed policies I'll be casting my vote for KLA Harris and Tim Wales I've done my research I've made my choice there you go how about that'll move the betting odds let me check right now I'm I'm only slightly joking okay okay but that's you were being serious right that was a real Instagram post correct oh and at the end but oh my wife just pointed this out she ends it with love and hope Taylor Swift childless cat lady wow wow she's holding a cat she's holding a cat in the Instagram photo I love it this is not that relevant but I just want to say because you brought it up now I laugh when Trump says you know they're emptying their prisons and their insane asylums but like let's be real if you were one of these third world countries that's what you would do and I only bring this up because you probably know about the the Mariel boatlift right are you familiar with that back in the day in Miami from no Cuba Haiti so basically that's pretty much what happened and I'm I'm reading it here there was a lot of hardened criminals that came over to the Miami area I think it's something like 2700 you know 1300 so again Trump trump lies he exaggerates but I also wouldn't put it past some of these countries to kind of say Hey you know our prisons are filling up and uh maybe let's kind of let them go near the border I only bring that up as a half joke but for people look up the the Mariel Boat Lift by the way that's basically if I'm not mistaken somebody fact checked me I think that's in the movie Scarface I think that's how Scarface came to the United States in the movie somebody please fact check me on that I think I'm I'm right and look to be clear a lot of people have come across the border it's been way too wide open and some of those people are criminals and some of them have committed crime like that is a totally fair point and I actually thought Trump's strongest parts of the night were often his immigration attacks which are probably his best issue and and one of the reasons it works so well for him is because the Biden and Harris really have a good answer for it because there isn't a good answer for three years the Border was way too open and too many people came across but like um Venezuela is a good example there are a lot of Venezuelans in America right some of them are criminals I don't know if people Venezuela's been going through a lot right in their country they they have a terrible brutal government they have they just had an election where Maduro lost but he refuses to leave they've lost 7 million people from their country in the last 10 years a country that only had 28 million people they've lost a quarter of their population that has left that country because of how terrible it is now most of those people didn't come to America most of them went to Colombia or other countries in the region but a large number of them did come to America and it's totally fair to say some of those people are criminals right we know there are Venezuelans right now was just on the news the other day Venezuelan gangs that are in some you know areas but it is also worth pointing out that again even with that crime in America down and now at lower levels at least in murder rates than they were when Donald Trump was President which is again another reason why K Harris whiffs so bad on that opening question like are you better off than you are four years ago you could have nailed that question if you're Harris and then P she went right to the pivot of here's what I would do here are some of my economic policies that's fine but she missed an easy layup before that ER by the way my guy daddy Padre what is Chuck drinking this is just water infused with some some mango caffeine drink it's very good I'll I'll explain later Chuck do we have any good uh com I can't see I only see the comments when they pop up if you want to throw any in or there's any questions uh feel you know feel free to do so I will a lot of people are just saying you know whether they think Trump won or or Harris won no you said this perfectly it is funny how so we're sitting on the couch there's no pressure but the first question that kamla slipped up on it was the easiest layup and this is what when everybody goes when everybody goes were you better off four years ago that's a stupid question because it was freaking covid why don't you say were you better off five years ago like it's the most obvious question when when you've asked this in 2020 no no one was better off when everybody was not everybody a lot of people were dying uh nobody could go to a sporting event people's businesses were shut down schools were closed people were losing their jobs everybody was depressed it's the easiest answer in the world to just say of course not we were in the middle of covid and the fact that she slipped up on that one was very bad but then was able to I think she was nervous honestly I think she was too because I even you I guess I missed a couple things but I wrote down after Run Spot Run which was a good line from Trump I wrote down just kamla isn't a smooth speaker and I know look not everybody can be Barack Obama but her first two three exchanges were not good I'm telling you man as you said between abortion and maybe goting him to get into the rallies which is it's hilarious that you can still get Trump with the rallies that he's like an 80-year-old dude it's it's such a dick measuring contest the fact that you can get to him on that but she found her groove after that man and again she's not Barack Obama but like you mentioned the boxing standpoint ring ganship like she controlled the debate from the 20 minute mark on Trump had a couple good um lines here and there but she basically controlled it for the last hour and 15 however long it was she did and and look early on I think she looked it looked like she was falling back on her rehears lines like when that question came up it was clear to me she was going to talk about her economic proposals in that first question no matter what it was and she just kind of blew right by it and so but then when she kind of got comfortable and got away from some of those prean lines she really came alive and like I said I mean in the foreign policy stuff and the January 6 election denial stuff she and it's not just because I tend to agree with her on that stuff although I do but she just nailed him like with great lines talking about I was time to turn the page Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people when he talked about you know getting more votes than than uh than Joe Biden did the the flattery in favor line she like looked right at him they know you she talking about Putin they know they can manipulate you with flavory flavor favory and flatter and I thought Trump look I've said this before about Trump he has a lot of skill as a politician and clearly with understanding and tapping into his base the white working class mainly I'm not saying that's his entire base that's that's the main part of it he understands that at a gut level and he has a feel and an instinct and so I want to give him credit for his political abilities he he instinctively understands the abortion isn't good for him and so he's pivoted and he's changed the Republican party and pulled them to the center on that but the one thing that if you were saying to me what's what what could Donald Trump have done over the last I don't know nine years since he came down that escalator that would have put him in a better position to win this election is what it be too much to ask him to learn some policy like this man I don't know if you saw the economic Forum of New York when he was there last week he gave an economic speech and they asked him a question about child care and he and and what policies the government could enact which they I don't think that was brought up in the debate tonight by the way which is kind of a sleeper issue in the country and he rambled on for three minutes incoherently about it and I just think that how does he not have answers for some of those things like can you tell me one other than other than talking about imposing tariffs although he didn't say by the way what the Tariff level would be he's never specific about that did you ever not like he's I want tariffs it'll bring in a lot of Revenue because he knows high if the tariffs are high enough it's going to be a major increase in prices to the average American but what specific policy did Donald Trump lay out tonight like for Harris I can rattle off several the child tax credit the uh money for firsttime home buyers the small business incentives that she wants to add the building of the you grants to help build new homes like there's a there's a list it's not a huge list she didn't do a ton of policy either but what policies did Trump lay out and articulate clearly well I'll say this first of all I think comma at least two times I remember she she made a point to say you're running against me not Joe Biden When Donald Trump went after some of the Biden policies which I think is smart if you're Comm Harris you try to attach yourself obviously to Biden on anything good you try to separate yourself on anything that's poor now here's what I'll say in terms of trump policy here's here's where look I think most people when I say most I'm talking about across partisan lines I think a lot of people would say Republicans and Trump are better on immigration for example I think a lot of people would say Republicans and Trump are better on foreign policy at least things were quieter when Trump was president and so I bring that up because here are here are two points where Donald Trump should be able to control that narrative and should be able to take it to K Harris I can't remember any good lines tonight from Trump in regards to immigration and then the foreign policy thing I actually think kamla Harris spun that in a way where to me it looked like KLA Harris won the foreign policy debate which she and Biden probably shouldn't win that you know what I'm saying like again if you want to get into the details of of why there's a war going on in Ukraine and what's going on in Israel again I think if we're talking big picture it's fair to say that the the world was quieter under Trump he should be able to win that that section of the debate and I feel like KLA Harris actually won the foreign policy portion so oh yeah she won it by I don't think it was close no it wasn't close and and a lot of that is because again Trump's lack of specifics like he he couldn't give anything about he couldn't and here's it's not just slck of specific it's a lack of like moral Clarity at a basic level like you can we can agree or disagree about tactics about funding certain things for Ukraine but when they asked him do you want and I'm paraphrasing here but something the effective do you want Ukraine to win the war and he wouldn't answer and he wouldn't answer that like this is a democracy an ally of the United States a country that wants to be in NATO that was invaded by a brutal dictator who's trying to do a land grab in Europe one of the first times since World War II and obviously he doesn't necessarily just want to stop at Ukraine and and he wouldn't even answer that and that undermines his position because you could imagine Trump being like of course I want Ukraine to win of course I I think this war was unjust however I also think that we're spending a lot of money that that we have to try to draw this war to a close here is my plan to end the war that would have been a good answer instead he wouldn't answer if he thought he wanted Ukraine to win and then he had he wouldn't give us any plan it's just well I'll I'll magically solve it before I'm sworn in same thing with the Middle East and it gets back to my my point about his lack of specificity for being at this game so long I mean he's either been the president or has been running for president for nine years for a decade basically and he really it's all surface level there isn't any meat on the bone in the vast majority of policy areas even on immigration which should be his bread and butter which is you know probably his best issue he didn't have a good answer for how he would do this Mass deportation I mean if you want to deport 11 million people or whatever the number is Trump says it's 20 plus how is that GNA work I mean how are are you gonna be pulling grandmothers out of their homes he says he's gonna use local police but but he doesn't really talk about the details and he didn't really have a good on immigration Harrison Biden don't have a particularly strong hand as we discussed but the one thing they do have and Harris very smartly went to this is we supported a bipartisan Bill earlier this year that would have directly dealt with not all but many of these issues and they don't even bring this up a lot but what they should Hammer is it would have reformed the Asylum process and limited it to six months right now people wait years for their Asylum hearings in the United States this bill would have would have added more judges and limited Asylum claims to six months it would have been a radical transformation The Border Union who does not like Biden or Harris they supported it the border patrol Union and Donald Trump killed it and Trump did not have a great answer for that either even though I'm sure he knew that was gonna come up and I think the reason is he just doesn't he's not intellectually curious he doesn't care about the details and a lot of times you can get away with that you know at rallies you can get away with that but when you go through a debate and you don't really give any substantive policy proposals for the most part other than I'm gonna cut taxes and I'm gonna impose tariffs at an unspecified level and I'm going to deport a lot of people like that that to me is just a missed opportunity for somebody like Donald Trump I went to their website like the Trump people have been hammering Harris for not having policy on their website up until I guess yesterday or two days ago they put someone I went to the Trump website the other day just for shits and giggles and I started reading the policy they have on the website and it is um it's thin thin to say the least it's basically like a couple of bullet points and then a sentence or two with vague assertions like end inflation make America affordable again okay I'm for that large large tax cuts for workers but you know if you look at a tax plan the vast majority of the money goes to wealthier people to be fair the wealthier people pay the vast majority of taxes so if you're going to cut taxes they're going to get most of the benefit carry out the largest deportation operation in American history but again not a detail about how you're going to do it defend our constitution our Bill of Rights and our fundamental freedoms so yeah that I just I would like a little more policy oh look at this a question about the uh St Louis Cardinal also somebody said that I think they said that maybe Trump or Harris was going to increase tickets to St Louis Cardinals games which right now people are giving away for for literally zero dollars because the Cardinals are so bad but let's get back to to politics because I do think this is interesting again you and I are an agreement I'm sorry it just is what it is Harris won I mean if you're not partisan you know that's true look when Biden crap the bed everybody said it everybody said it um Donald Trump did not have a good debate tonight it's not just coming from me it's not just coming from Eric look at the betting odds I'll show them to you one more time this was updated literally one minute ago KLA Harris now 51.5% Donald Trump 47% so just so everybody knows look that's still a that's still a coin flip but I bring that up because earlier in the day it was basically flipped KLA Harris is up 4.6 points today Donald Trump is down four points we're talking about an 8.6 percentage Point jump in the betting odds so I think that that wraps into a good question because again we both think that that Harris won and it's clear from the betting odds that that Harris performed better tonight um let's see here both siding I don't know what that means get your questions in with no typos but here's here's my question yeah get your questions in well any questions we got a bunch get your questions and comments not just like Trump socks and Harris sock let's get an actual question Eric you and I M by the way we have 676 people watching live Eric right now 676 and there's already been over 4,000 people that have watched this in the last 40 minutes so thank you so much you guys if you're watching please subscribe to the channel we're doing a ton of content we've had a good month we've had a good couple weeks we're going to keep on rolling we both said this debate tonight was much more important to kamla Harris she had much more to lose Donald Trump is more of a known commodity even though KLA Harris is the vice president right she didn't have a good um run for president back in 2019 2020 okay she didn't even make it to to Iowa and all that she had a couple bad debate moments everybody brings up the tulsey gabard thing she was kind of anointed VP and then basically there's no primary Biden drops out within 48 Hours nobody challenged KLA Harris and let's be be real she was not a very visible vice president I bring this all up because people always say oh isn't everybody's mind already made and I'm saying to me it's not because look you had a bunch of people like an RFK you had a bunch of people who are maybe not motivated to vote you got a bunch of moderates in the middle some people who are conservatives but they don't like Donald Trump but they couldn't stomach Joe Biden because he looked like he was dead and they're like oh my God I don't like these things that Donald Trump did but I can't vote for Joe Biden Here Comes k Harris she wasn't doing interviews right she did one interview I guess she did another couple but she did one big interview it was okay but like there was a lot on the line for KLA Harris tonight if she would have [ __ ] the bed and early on first answer I thought she might [ __ ] the bed so I thought it was much more important for her because another thing is Donald Trump has had the momentum for the last couple weeks if you go back to the RFK announcement whatever it was right after the convention but like Donald Trump has been leading the betting odds for the last couple weeks and KLA Harris with a strong performance tonight with an obvious win and if you want to say whatever was it 5545 was it 60 40 I mean it wasn't it wasn't a mercy rule but it was a clear Victory this this wasn't a Biden the Biden Trump debate right but it was again if you want to say 6040 5545 I think we both agree that ABC was pretty fair but slightly biased toward WS KLA Harris I think that's also fair but what I'm trying to say is a long-winded way of of basically saying that KLA Harris had a lot to lose tonight and she stepped up and she took back control of this election she did she did so first of all the momentum point the betting odds were slipping for her because the polling was slipping for her yes there was no convention bounce and in fact Trump was gaining ground over the last few weeks not a lot but enough in the polling averages uh some of that I think may have had to do with RFK Jr RFK Jr dropping out the day after Harris ends her convention eliminated probably any convention balce that she got because we know the RFK voters RFK Jr voters said they like Trump more than Harris now we don't know exactly how many went each way or will go each way but it would stand to reason that that's a that was a net gain for Trump that was a net gain for Trump RFK Jr getting out of the race and endorse again but here's the point you were making earlier this is why this this was so critical for Harris the New York Times Sienna poll which is kind of one of the gold standards of polling like that P the the New York Times Sienna College is rated as as one of the highest uh most accurate pollsters and it had a huge sample 1695 people it had Trump up by one 4847 it a big deal when it came out a few days ago it actually move the betting odds because I checked in the morning and then the poll came out and and Trump bumped up like a point because of this poll in the poll they ask people are your views of the candidate largely fixed or do you want to know more only nine% said they need to know more about Donald Trump nine that be because of course as I said he's either been president or been running for president for nine years we know everything there is to know about him with KLA Harris that number was 28% almost one in three voters in this gold standard Poll for the New York Times SI College said they need to know more about KLA Harris that's why this was so vital for her and if you broke it down even further in that poll among people who were undecided the people are going to decide this election almost half said that they needed more information about KLA Harris that's a massive number way bigger than Trump's number that is why this was so important for her a to stop the momentum in the polling that was slowly going in Trump's Direction and B to to introduce herself in a positive way to this fairly large number of people who say they need more information about her I think that there's no question you would have to say she came off very well tonight to those people now the caveats of course are who knows what's going to happen the election there's a long way to go the new cycle moves incredibly fast so I expect this will give her a bump I expect she will be and she already is reestablished as the betting favorite I I think she'll get a bump in the polls I think she'll probably be the favorite of most of the election forecasting models but how long that will last probably until the next big news event happens and we've seen a lot of them in the last few months Gucci says kamla lost badly she has no plans to improve the lives of Americans now your second part Gucci I think it's fair to question her policies and Biden policies and will they actually improve America 100% but we're talking about the election and and who can win and look it's clear tonight that Comm Harris won the debate we have 909 people watching live 6600 people Eric have been watching or at one time or another so I mean I was gonna say like we should stop but the people want more Eric I you know what I have nothing left to say but I'm sure you do oh I've got a few more things let me check the notebook uh okay one of the you know look I want to be fair here one of the moments I think Harris could have handled better and I think this was a missed opportunity for Trump is is on the flip-flopping issue because that is a legitimate point of vulnerability for her because when she ran for president in 2019 and then she dropped out right before Iowa in 2020 in the Democratic primary she was very liberal I mean took some very they brought up some of these positions in the debate tonight you know she was against fracking she wanted to abolish ice she flirted with defunding the police she talked about confiscating um AR-15s so there was some extreme policy positions and and by the way I don't mean to interrupt but the one and I don't know if you saw this clip going viral on CNN the one that's insane by the way like fracking okay nobody nobody bases their vote on fracking and apparently she some people in Pennsylvania might okay apparently she changed her position five years ago whatever like some of these things are normal politics Eric apparently and I and I I looked this up apparently she was for the gender affirming care of the prisoners and the undocumented immigrants which is insane like it's even insane to even discuss that but like I don't know if you saw that clip uh from CNN where even the CNN host was like really no I didn't see the clip but yes that's pretty that's pretty insane it is pretty insane but anyway the so in politics there's always what's the real answer and what's the best answer you can give the real answer for KLA Harris like if if if you gave her like truth serum is I was running in a Democratic primary at a time when the party was going way left and I had advisers and Consultants telling me hey you need to stake out a to land to the left of Joe Biden and you need to fight Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren for that territory that's the real answer the answer she should give which is also true to I'm sure is hey that was a different time in America I've been the vice president for three and a half years I've seen up close policies and the effect of policies and for instance on fracking I believe we can get to a carbon neutral uh future while allowing for fracking in the in the meantime as we build up renewable technology I've had time to think about it like there's good answers you can give I just think she missed an opportunity to talk about growth because it's there's nothing wrong with changing your mind or evolving your position hell Donald Trump has done it on numerous things right I mean this you have a man who appointed the justices that overturn roie Wade talking now like he's you know some pro-choice guy like people evolve and they change their positions all the time sometimes it's for politically expedient reasons sometimes it's a change of heart sometimes it's a combination of both there's no crime in that right in fact as someone who likes moderate policies I think it's a good thing I am glad that KLA Harris has changed her positions on those things one of the few things I like about Donald Trump is on a few issues he has moved the Republican Party more toward the center not on everything but on some issues and I like that's one of the only things I like about Donald Trump so I like that she's done that explain it defend it I think she missed an opportunity but Trump kind of let her off the hook and I think that has something to do with the muted mics if you noticed there were there were times they wanted to have more but like they Donald Trump when she was talking mostly was acting respectful as he did with Joe Biden and kind of letting her talk I think if you would have not had muted mics Trump would have had the opportunity to say hey wait a minute what why did you change your mind you you X you had XYZ position four or five years ago and now you have this other position what H he could have hit and he didn't do that now again some of the muted mics may have had something to do with that but he could have done it when it was his time it's not like the moderators make you answer the questions you can say whatever the hell you want when it's your time so he could have gone back to it and he really didn't and I think that and you know why he didn't do it Charlie and I again I go back to that moment of the crowd size he was mad he was on he was like on tilt a little bit that that got him going and his demeanor changed and he became kind of angry and abrasive and I think he it got him off track a little bit and and at the time I'm thinking why is she talking about his crowd size what are people leaving during his speeches like why is she bringing this up and when she only has a limited time to answer but man it was clearly part of a strategy and I think it definitely worked okay just because I think it might be a fun argument so you tell me because you're from Pennsylvania but you live in California and because I'm making these trips to California for the food allergy Institute I've never seen more oil wells in my life than in California which you would never think like you have this idea that California's a bunch of hippies I go to Long Beach there's freaking oil wells in the grocery store parking lots I go to the beach can't even see the beach the beach is tankers I bring this up somebody was chirping me which is fine I really don't care we're delusional we're one-sided sure okay Trump won the debate then folks I guess he won I guess the betting odds swung eight points and and we're stupid okay we're done but my point is like you're from Pennsylvania I get it and and big picture energy is a big deal and gas prices and oil and all that but like I have never in my life I'm 42 years old I've never heard one person tell me I'm gonna change my vote because of fracking I've just never heard anyone say that in my entire life yeah look I haven't I want to be full transparency I have not lived in Pennsylvania since 200 2008 but I grew up there and spent the first basically 30 years of my life there almost you turned your back on your hometown I did I I abandoned my hometown fracking so here's what happened with Frack fracking used to be kind of a niche thing like most oil came from what you're talking about oil wells in the ground or you know in the in the ocean right but what happened was they discovered re that it got kind of harder and harder to get that oil and they needed this fracking technology and the price of oil obviously as we know started to go up so it became cost effective so from and I'm no expert in this field but from what I've understand a huge portion of oil now particularly the in the in Pennsylvania and other states is from Frack that did not used to be the case so that is why fracking is so important is because it is not just a niche thing anymore it is how a you get a lot of the oil and by the way a lot of land owners are getting rich off of frack because the the companies are leasing their land and they're like hey sign this lease you don't have to do anything we're going to Frack underneath your land and you're going to get money and so that's why it has become so important because it's helping a lot of land owners who have signed these contracts it's become a huge part of the oil industry the revenues for these companies are off the charts and a lot of people are employed there particularly as I said in my home state of Pennsylvania and and as you and I have discussed we really haven't talked too much about the the polling in the States but it the case that Pennsylvania is most if it's close most likely the state that will decide it or at least one of the two or three that will decide it okay just because we're having fun here so Sharon Barry says the moderators gave him nine extra minutes get real so this is again something look look folks okay I'm not the smartest person in the world but I I watched I made two pages of notes I did I did notice it seemed like because again we're going to wake up tomorrow morning and the whole narrative if you watch any right-wing news it's going to be ABC news with super biased I promise you I haven't even looked yet because we've been doing this but that's going to be the whole narrative it did seem like now maybe it's because Trump was talking too long and he only got a minute and he was going too long but it did seem like many times they kind of had to interrupt him at the end and say wrap it up and maybe that's because he was going on too long I don't know it didn't seem like he was way longer than Harris but I did just as I'm watching again I'm try I'm trying to be fair here it did seem like the moderators tried to kind of cut him off before he finished his sentences but but then again maybe he was going way too long I don't know somebody who's somebody look it up and see how many people who talk the most so I'm a little surprised by Sharon's statistic there um but you know what here's I had a I had a sense he talked more not because here's the thing in a what was the debate 90 minutes total no it was N More than 90 minutes well there was there was two commercial breaks I bet you it went a 100 minutes 100 minutes so a 9 Minute Gap in a 100 minute debate where there's two people is a pretty big gap like if Trump did get nine extra minutes to talk that's a big Advantage when you only have two people and you only have a hundred minutes and and that's the sense I got that he was talking more and also here's something else to counteract kind of the the fact check which definitely did hurt Trump if you want to call that more than Harris there were several instances where the moderators wanted to move on and Trump basically wouldn't let them and they gave in him and that happened at least two or three times and then I remember specifically one time Harris wanted to say something and they wouldn't let her they were like no we gotta go we're moving on and so I think that if we're going to point out the factchecking which is fair we should point that out too that I got the S Trump talk long Sharon is saying it was nine minutes I would buy that and also so they let Trump go and I'll tell you there was one point Charlie where it this was after the that um I think Trump was on on tilt because of the the insinuation har Harris made where she said people leaving your rallies there was one time they did the split screen and Trump was just going on and on and on and rambling about the something I don't remember what it was and getting angry and Harris was just kind of looking at him and she kind of had a Ry smile she kind of had yeah she had like a it was a little it wasn't a full on smile but but it was like a yep I got you exactly where I want you just keep going and so I think she was okay to let him talk a little bit more that is a good point so again as I'm watching this and look I shouldn't but I'm watching this like a sporting event right I'm just trying to see who's winning who's losing who had a good round like we're watching boxing and look so much of this this is about TV and the presentation and I I made this remark to my wife at first I didn't like so look at if anybody's watching us right now we have these tight boxes for you and I and for a while there it was really tight you couldn't see anything past The Head and Shoulder shot like I want to see some body language I liked when they went to the two shot and you could see people if you're looking you can see them using their hands and all that but I do think that KLA Harris did a really good job of her reaction shots and and look this is not how our media should be it's not how our politics should be but you know it's true unfortunately a big thing is like the memes and the gifts that are going to come out of this and I don't even know what the big ones are going to be because look the Biden debate was such a nightmare for him I mean he had so many just terrible moments but like there's going to be a lot of means you know what it's gonna be my prediction they're eating the dogs they're eating the dogs eating the dogs is going to be there for sure but you're going to see a lot of this of of KLA going like this like she had she had some good reaction shots where she kind of was able if you're watching on TV even if Donald Trump was talking you could tell that she was kind of she was getting her verbal Jabs in with facial expressions when she wasn't allowed to talk I did notice that yeah absolutely I did see a comment about um while the co I can only see them kind of as they pop up and then they disappear but I did see a few back somebody made a comment about Trump and his economic policies and saying essentially that Harris doesn't have economic policies that will help everyday Americans and and I just want to mention this because Harris brought this up and I think she could have hit this more did you do you remember when she brought up the Goldman Sachs plan comparison yes so Goldman Sachs huge financial company not a partisan outfit right they're they're in the business to make money they did a detailed an analysis okay and and she could have explained this I think even better but I actually saved this because I thought it was interesting so they did a detailed analysis of the proposals Trump has made again to the extent that he's made them because there's some you know vagueness in them and Harris's policies right and they compared the following how would they affect inflation economic growth and the budget deficit and again this is Goldman Sachs this isn't me this isn't the Harris campaign this this isn't a bunch of liberals right I don't think the people in Colman Sachs are probably are marxists right I don't think they're going to like the local communist chapter meeting I'm pretty sure they they love capitalism probably more than more than anyone so all Democrats all Democrats are marxists by the way just so you know right here's what they said about what I'll just I'll in simple terms economic growth under Trump's plan it would be lower than the basine lower than if we did nothing under Harris's plan higher inflation Trump's policies would cause higher inflation than the current Baseline under Harris's lower and finally the budget deficit then this one's obvious because he wants to extend those tax cuts for 2017 that are going to expire at the end of next year and they will blow a whole in the deficit they predict if Trump gets his way the budget deficits would balloon Harris's budget deficits would be smaller than the current Baseline based on her economic policies so I just think for people who said to the extent policy matters matters in this campaign and look I'm I'm a nerd for this kind of stuff I like policy I didn't hear a lot of policy tonight from either candidate heard almost none from Trump but to the extent policy is discussed I think it's interesting and fair to say okay people say a lot of things politicians say a lot of things what does do independent Financial people say about the effect these policies would have and there it is and it makes sense look if if you want a a massive tax that would mainly benefit the wealthy and businesses which is what trumps would do there are upsides to that the upside is you would have probably some more economic growth but the downside is a massive loss of Revenue if you want to deport 10 or 15 million people that's going to cause economic issues I mean what do you know the percentage of people that are in the Immigrant community that work in the hospitality sector in the food sector what is it going to do to those Industries if all of a sudden they lose 10 or 15 or 20% of their Workforce I mean how's that going to play out so I think what about tariffs Trump always says well the Tariff isn't ATT taxs well not directly but but these companies what what are they going to do when their product when the price of their products go up they're going to pass that cost on to the consumers of course they are that's how it works now there are Arguments for tariffs but but you can't say they won't increase prices they will that's the history of tariffs so I just think it's if you're going to make these claims like let's have some look at it who you know actually knows these kinds of things and run the numbers and give an opinion okay we have so many comments every time I go to click on one oh yeah let's let's do the comments it goes up well here's here's what I want to say okay let's see oh here here's Dustin I just saw Dustin he said uh how about we do our own resource depend on Independent sources look I mean I don't know man I don't tell you if you think Goldman Sachs is in the tank for KLA Harris and the Democrats I mean I don't know what that's that's another thing too it's kind of like when I used to argue with the RFK people Junior people it's like fact they don't care they didn't like fact checks I do it again by the way and then we'll make another video do it again yeah I mean here's the thing it's like I don't know what to tell you so so what do we do then we can't believe anything we only believe what Donald Trump tells us and we can't look anything up like Trump says we can't believe the FBI crime statistics we can't believe the numbers on inflation we can't believe any economic forecasts like so what what I'm I'm honestly curious like what can we believe what numbers can we trust okay here here's here's what I want to bring up and I would love if we could actually get somebody on here because I just I just want to hear and and so when I ask this question somebody in the comments give me your honest opinion make the case to me and Eric how Trump won this debate I just don't see in any way shape or form how anyone can say that Trump won the debate again I think the moderators were slightly biased towards K Harris I agree with you but in what in what world in reality and if you guys have never seen us before that's fine but we both obviously we didn't want Biden right we both said immediately Biden clearly [ __ ] the bed at the debate right when KLA Harris doesn't do interviews we call her out when KLA Harris had a an okay interview on CNN which I think we called a single you know it wasn't great it wasn't bad we just say it like I want some in the comments if you're a Trumper which is fine but like explain to me how Trump won tonight like explain to me make the case how Donald Trump I just like Eric you know part part of me pushing back for the last hour is like I just like to kind of make it you know interesting like there's just no way you can you can actually credibly make make the case that Donald Trump won this debate you just can't and again like I'll be the first one to tell you like Eric and I we talk about the betting odds every week and we talk about this for seven eight months we quote the betting odds every single week and the betting odds shifted as of now they shifted almost eight and a half points eight and a half percentage points towards KLA Harris just tonight that shows you who won the debate like it's clear that doesn't mean that KLA Harris is going to win the election that doesn't mean that Donald Trump has no chance by the way even if these numbers are right that's 524 that's still an absolute coin flip but it's ridiculous to try to act like Donald Trump won this debate tonight he just didn't there's just no way you can say you w the debate no I getting back to I I said it wow we've been on for like an hour now thanks thank you everybody for being with us tonight but B when hour ago when we first started I I'm didn't do a great job of my boxing analogy what I what I tried to say is this was not like a first round knockout th this this was not the Trump Biden debate that was a knockout and mainly not even a knockout that was just kind of like Biden fell down in the ring no it was a murder it's if it's if the boxer dies like the the last time a boxer died in the ring literally I'm talking died that's what that was but died without even hardly being hit like just kind of dropped dead correct but this fight this fight if if it were a boxing match I think the way that you could you the argument here is was this a unanimous decision that went the full 12 rounds but on the judge's scorecard Harris clearly won or was this like a TKO where she just knocked him down what is it three times and by like the ninth round they stopped the fight th that is kind of the argument to me of how far the Harris win stretches it was a clear win a convincing win a win I think to the again so many people are locked in we have to be clear about this even Biden on that debate in June was only only lost like three points in the polls after that debate I mean that was as bad as it could be and he lost three or four points so there is a limit to what you can gain or lose in this you know era and according to alen lickman Biden might still have won he may still have won just Brendon shaer saying it or my pets okay Brandon as long as you do not live near the Haitian population in Youngstown Ohio your pet should be fine but according to Donald Trump if you do live there You better lock your pets up because they might be murdered and eat okay you mentioned you know I was going to do baseball you mentioned boxing so if we're doing boxing I think it's not a split decision I think I think Harris won and if you want to go rounds if it's a 12 round bout I think she won seven or eight rounds right if it was a baseball game she won the baseball game but Charlie did she win on the judges 42 did she win on the judge's scorecard or did she do get like a TKO did she judg Russian were they Russian judges like in the Olympics back in the day I don't know like again look at man I Eric you know I try to be fair I try to play Devil's Advocate I mean there's just no way you can be a sane person and pretend that Donald Trump won the debate now again by the way this is all strategy and politics if I'm on the right I would do exactly what probably right right-wing partisan Talking Heads and pundits are doing I haven't looked but I guarante you it's all about ABC and it was three onone and it was all the moderators going against Trump that's how I would play it too if you lose a debate I get it it's not true but that's how I would play it let me uh let me give you a taste my buddy sent me these uh my buddy Brian sent me these Ben Shapiro this was earli in the fairly early in the debate the moderators are the story of the evening and it isn't a good story okay Matt Walsh another right winger on X ironically the moderators are winning this debate for Trump by being so insanely lopsided and biased against him they are now the story of the night which is a win for Trump so that gives you just a little flavor of what people were saying on X by the way I uh Sharon earlier had pointed out that uh she saw that Trump talked more than Harris CNN is saying their count Trump spoke for approximately 42 minutes 52 seconds Harris spoke for approximately 37 minutes 36 seconds so they added a difference of a little more than five five minutes that Trump spoke more than Harris so maybe that explains why just from me watching it's seemed like the moderators were having to kind of cut off Trump at the end because maybe he was going too long I I think that yeah so if Trump talked five more minutes look I don't I don't want to say I care like you can't you can't 100% get it so that each person talks 50 minutes right like that's never going to happen I think if it's if it's 5247 that's pretty fair to me like I don't think either side can really complain about that like okay if one side talks for you know 60 minutes and the other side talks for 35 that's a different story but from from who got to speak I feel like it was pretty fair I also feel like early on it seemed like is it David Mir is it Mir Mir Mir David Mir Mir Mir it seemed like he was letting them early on like he probably wanted to move on but he was letting them have back and forth like there was even a couple topics where I feel like there was three exchanges like they let them keep talking which is look I I think the best debates you almost don't even need moderators after the questions um which is why I think the factchecking thing is is fair um you know you fact checked me about the about the flip-flopping they did they did go after K Harris on that so she she handled it well I I think and I'm repeating myself now but we have a lot of people watching like Eric I don't even know if we should go all night we have almost 2,000 people watching I'm in St Louis Missouri it's 11 o' you're in California it's only 9 just so everybody knows okay so you can feel sorry for me I woke up at 4:00 a because my son basically pissed the bed right he's crying so I go up there I got to change the sheets I got to change the uh the jammies and then I'm like all right I'm already up so I started working because I'm like I might as well just get a bunch of work done so hey I don't have a lot of sleep but I don't think we can stop Eric when we have 1900 people watching working 4 am I'm a hero meanwhile I got up at noon and just no I Mark says by the way Trump just won the election so Mark Mark weighing that no Eric by the way Trump trump might still win the election I don't think because K Harris right just because K Harris won this debate I'm not saying it's over this is a freaking coin flip and there's still what 55 56 days till the election let's see let's try to get some more can I just say something to that that really kind of stood out to me even though it shouldn't I talked earlier and for those just just joining us or haven't been on for very long I talked earlier a lot about how Trump is a such a unique candidate and I don't mean that mostly in a good way that it's hard to a debate him and it's also hard for the moderators and people asking him questions and I think that there was no Starker example of that than when he talked about the election being stolen because you could IMA like you could imagine a scenario where Trump in his mind thinks he really won the election but realizes that he's in a campaign and he's got to try to win and so if it if it comes up in a debate he could say something like you know there were some irregularities that that were that I felt strongly about but that was then let's move on and I want to talk about this election right but the fact that he will refuses to do that and not only does he refuse to do that I was just amazed at how in this perhaps the biggest moment of this election who knows I there's a lot that could happen but this may go down as the turning point this may go down as one of the deciding factors of the election and the fact that during that opportunity with tens of millions of people watching he decided to go on and on and on about something that is just so blatantly false that the election was stolen I think anyone who isn't in the tank on the magga side had to look at that and think this man is is delusional like he is living in a in an alternate reality because clearly he believes it like it's one thing to say well he's just saying that and he doesn't really believe it which is what David mir's question with David Mir was like you said you really lost but but if you listen to him unless he's a great actor it sounds like he really still to this day believes it and the fact that he is that I mean I'm just gonna say it delusional that he would go on and on talking about how Ashley babbit the the woman who was killed that day W was unjustly killed I mean if you watch the video they warned her don't go through the door don't go through the door she breaks through the door many other people would have followed her they were right on outside the house Lobby lawmakers in the house God only knows what if that mob had run into Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence or AOC what what would have happened would they have just been like hey how you doing you know high five when they were chanting hang Mike Pence outside it's just and he takes no responsibility for it tries to deflect BL blame on Nancy Pelosi and everybody else I I just I shouldn't be surprised but it was one of the defining moments of the debate for me was how he was just unable or unwilling to Pivot away from that and go on and on and on and Harris is just kind of looking at him like again with that rise smile like are you really doing this you in again when you are trying to convince people who aren't already with you and your pitch to them is a two minute answer about how you really lost the election and all the court cases against you were biased and how January 6 wasn't really that big of a deal and you didn't have responsibility for it it was it was on other people I I just it was stunning to me it really was it was really stunning to me that he went there and didn't try to just pivot away from it that he just doubled down okay and maybe I'm wrong on this maybe I'm wrong but that and I've said this a thousand times and people always rip on me in the comments when I say for the most part I thought Trump was a pretty good president until covid hit did he handle it perfectly no but no one handled it well and so when I say I think Trump was a was an okay pretty good F whatever word fine president people always go after me and and then I say look here's the deal he lost me 100% with trying to overturn the election in January 6th like I'm done 100% And I've said that I haven't changed my mind for three three and a half years however long it's been here's here's what Trump should say okay you can make the argument that it wasn't fair okay Democrats weaponized covid even though covid was a real thing and people were dying but but Democrats wanted covid to last as long as possible because everybody's depressed they're going to vote out the incumbent president but also they used covid to allow unbelievable rule changes state byst state for mail and balloting and it was by far the easiest election to ever vote in now I don't think it was fraudulent like if you now I'm I'm switching my my narrative here to a tangent but like if you really think illegal immigrants who for the most part are coming here to work yes some of them are bad omra but if you think they're going to risk if they're going to risk their job in making money by voting like come on now but what I'm saying is you can make the legitimate argument to someone like me people in the middle people who are reasonable even if they don't agree with you that yeah Democrats Chang the rules in 2020 to make it super easy to vote and maybe that's the reason Joe Biden w like that's a fair argument to make but when people are storming in the capital when you have fake electors in seven states by the way JD Vance just said that he would have done the same with the with the fake electors he said he'd have let Americans have the debate which is insane when you call Georgia and say find me 11,000 votes when you call up the canvases in Wayne County Michigan and you say don't certify that's where you lose me that's where you lose and I I honestly think that's a big reason Republicans didn't have the Red Wave in 2022 was not just Ro v Wade but also the fact that Trump was still on the ballot basically and everybody was kind of uh pissed about January 6th and subverting the election and I think that's where Trump lost a lot of people in the middle that will never come back in my opinion nothing that Trump says he could have a great debate he could have great policy he could change nothing is going to change the mind of a lot of people who think Trump 100% overturned the election January 6 and they're out and they're never coming back but if he was going to do it it wouldn't be with what he did tonight it would be something like hey I want to move on I I I feel like there were some irregularities I I didn't like some of the changes as you said with covid but but let's move on let's focus on 2024 but he didn't do that he went the opposite way by the way CNN poll um through SRS of debate Watchers one of these insta take these with a little bit of a grain of salt you know these are small sample sizes usually but I'm listening I'm getting I'm listening 6337 Harris one 6337 now you may say that doesn't sound like too big of a gap but remember like we talked about earlier with our partisan climate it's so hard to get a big majority and just to prove that the poll for the first debate Biden Trump okay which we know should be who won the Biden Trump debate Charlie what should the percentage be a thousand to negative a thousand that's right that's right it should be 100 to zero right if you're being any objective even if you're not objective it was clear's day that b one poll right that right to Biden one Trump won the poll 6733 so 33% of people told a poster that Joe Biden won the debate so that just shows you the range like it's impossible to get more than 70% of people to say you won a debate and KLA Harris got 63% to say that she won by the way another sign that she won sign one is the right-wingers to the extent we've seen them so far saying it was the moderator's fault sign number two the Harris campaign is calling for a second debate because that was one of the stories tonight will there be another debate the Harris campaign's like yeah we want another one that's a sign they thinking went although I don't know if that's smart strategy or not because do you want if the PO if you get a bump do you want to give him another chance by the way look I want I want two more debates I don't want any of these candidates hiding that's why I've I've given Trump credit for doing all the podcasts and interviews and I wish K Harris would do more interviews I'm actually surprised by that because if I'm them it's not good by the way it's not good for America it's not good for our political discourse but if I'm the Harris campaign I don't want any more debates I want the last one to be this one where I smoke Donald Trump but I'm glad and I hope there actually are more debates But Eric so you brought up 6733 it just goes to show you the partisanship in this country country that either side if you just have a deer and our next your name you're going to basically you're going to wake up in the morning with 35% or 33% in this case and if I'm not mistaken if we go back to the boxing analogy 6733 would be like Harris won eight rounds and Trump won four rounds and I think that's pretty fair whatever you want to say if you want to say it's seven rounds to five but to me it was a clear Victory it's it's not a tie it wasn't a home run it wasn't like she knocked out Donald Trump and he can't win the election but it was it was a clear victory for k Harris and by the way we have 2342 people watching live Eric 25,000 views wow in the last hour people people were in this debate the audience is going to be huge for this debate when the numbers come out it's and by the way Jamie saying who cares who a freaking Hollywood singer actor endorses she's talking about the other big news of the night that Taylor Swift announced she's endorsing uh KLA Harrison signed off a childless cat lady in her Instagram post well look I don't care Jamie I want to be clear I don't think most people care look I want to be clear I love Taylor Smith probably more than a 45y old man shoulding sing one of her songs right now it's a love story baby just say okay you can stop you can stop yeah okay that's all I got um so I yeah I'm I'm a big Swifty but that said I don't care but you know who does care young people people who may not vote that much people who are kind of casual right now is it a lot no but if this race is really close everything matters everything matters on the margins and it looks like if the polling's accurate it's going to be close and it's going to come down to tens of thousands of votes in a few States um Eric all these people are watching we have picked up so many subscribers just tonight so everybody watching I think we picked up like 200 subscribers if you're watching right now you haven't yes and you haven't subscribed please press subscribe we love as subscription is free look we're pretty reasonable if you're a Trumper right now and you think oh we're being unfair I mean again tell me how Trump won the debate he just didn't but if he if he wins the next one we'll say it we're Fair go back in our last seven months of podcast we're pretty damn Fair neither of us wanted Biden we said we got to get this dude out of there and look I keep thinking about this Nikki Haley when she said which probably now if you ask her she'll say oh she'll change her mind remember when she said the first party to drop their 80-year-old wins I always thought that was true I thought that was true back then and I thought that for both candidates whether it was Trump or Biden and I just I just look and I just see like I still don't think KLA Harris is this uh generational Talent although she's she's doing better than I expected I think that's fair but like if Nikki Haley was up there she's going to do way better or if it was Ronda santis right like Trump trump has been around for a long time and he's old and a lot of people want change and I know people look at KLA Harris and they think she's not changed because she's part of the incumbent uh presidential ticket with Joe Biden but she's not Joe Biden and she's 20s something years younger and that's she she's generational change that she has and and I mean that's that's clear as day I think by the way the the statement from the Harris campaign under the bright lights the American people got to see the choice they will face this fall at The Ballot Box between moving forward with KLA Harris are going backwards with Trump that's what they saw tonight and what they should see at a second debate in October vice president Harris is ready for a second debate is Donald Trump that's from Jen Ali Dylan the head of the Harris campaign Trump has said he earlier Trump had said he would do a second debate um on on NBC so we'll see if that actually comes to fruition or not like if I'm Trump right now you know it's weird cuz we don't know what's gonna happen I'm guessing on the effect I think Harris is going to pick up a couple points and pull into a little bit more of a lead secure lead not a big lead so you're still going to be well within Striking Distance I think if you're Trump this was not a fatal blow at his campaign by any means do you look at how tonight went evaluate it honestly and say it didn't go very well I think we should not risk it again because we're still in Striking Distance or do you say we're probably slightly behind right now we're probably gonna lose if the election's held today we we might need a little jol I think we can do better let's try again I think that's a very interesting strategic decision for the Trump campaign I would lean if I were in the Trump campaign I would lean toward not doing another debate I I would get out of it yeah and the reason I say that is because I don't think Trump is capable of changing again I get back to my point earlier it's been nine years and the man still has no depth of policy I I get I just can't believe that he doubled down on his election denialism tonight and January 6 I I just was stunned by that like it showing that he hasn't shown any growth in areas makes me think he's not going to all of a sudden at 78 years old being president or running president for a decade going to change that I just don't think it's possible try to grind it out on the Electoral College which he still may be able to do as we've talked about before we we you and I do a lot of breakdown of polling and the Electoral College it's pretty clear that Harris is going to have to win by at least two points to feel good about the Electoral College and maybe three or four I mean remember Joe Biden won by four and a half points in 2020 7 million votes and if you switch less than a 100,000 votes in three states Donald Trump would have won the presidency so even if com klair is up by around two points now depending on which polling average you look at let's say she gets another two-point Bounce from this which I think is probably fair so a week from now two weeks from now she's up four well that means Don Donald Trump's only a point or two away from the Electoral College you from from yeah winning Electoral College Trump uh Harris 5247 I mean look dude that's five percentage points tonight so that's a swing of dang near eight and a half eight and was that 8.6 points tonight so by the way Joe Biden has wait in Joe Biden says in a post on X that VP Harris proof she's the best choice to lead our nation forward we're not going back saying she won the debate and quote it wasn't even close it wasn't no he's right hey how about this our guy La says go ahead what I was say what do you think Biden like was thinking watching that tonight he doesn't care dude he's on the beach like that is funny let's be real it is pretty funny it is pretty funny that just Joe Biden's like screw it now he's on the beach over there by Dewey Beach which is a great Beach he goes to rith I think it's next door but he's on the beach all the time like he is the president but he kind of isn't because look it's smart to to act like Kel is the president for these last several months so she appears presidential it is kind of funny but then also like this narrative that oh if if Joe Biden can't run again then he should quit like like just think about this folks that would never happen like if you have a CEO of a company and he has a contract let's say he has a contract and he has one year left and they offer him a four-year extension and he goes ah I think I'm just going to be done after the year like that's what this is right like Joe Biden can run the country or whoever helps him out or the people around him can run the country for the next five months or so but he's chilling and again it makes sense for the Democrats to act like KLA Harris is the president right now because it it helps her electorally to be out there and to look presidential La says about Trump he's already done CNN and now ABC and I think that's fair look Trump remember we kind of forget the debate with Biden even though we bring it up like Trump did that debate with CNN he did it debate with ABC I think it I think it would be fair if if he got a fox debate I do think that would be fair at this point you think that's fair what do you think well full disclosure oh that's right I on you know I I appear occasionally on Fox News and my wife works for Fox I would say that isn't that fair I would like to see more okay so I think all the major networks should be in the running for debate and that includes NBC which hasn't had one yet either uh that includes CBS which is gonna have the vice presidential debate I think that does also include Fox so yeah I look I like more I would like to see three presidential debates and I would like to see them spread out on a variety of different networks and platforms I would also like to see joint um debates where you have a primary sponsor that's maybe a network but then you have some New Media have a a you know podcaster have like again you would I'm not saying you're right you're right I'm not saying like Joe Rogan necessarily although I like Joe Rogan but I'm saying someone who's maybe perceived to be more kind of in the middle right and let let different voices out so yeah I'm I'm I'm for more um generally than than less so yes is the answer your question but I brought it up because you know if if the narrative around this debate is going to be it was three-on-one because ABC was biased which I think they were slightly but not to the degree that the people on the right are saying and that's going to be the whole story tomorrow but if he's done CNN and ABC I do think it's fair if if he got a debate where it was a little more of a home game I I think that's fair I I also think that would help the Harris campaign if she did well in a debate like that right like hey everything is not stacked in your favor like hey go to enemy territory I'll tell you what yeah this is your governor no matter what you think about Gavin Nome and that dude's slick but he went into the that debate against Ronda santis in enemy territory with Shan Hannity as the moderator and he held his own and here's a dude who like he came after Ronda Sanz and was like you're the lockdown governor and I was like wow this dude will say anything but from a political standpoint like people respect that people respect to go into a hostile atmosphere even if you hold your own it's okay you know I'm kind of thinking I agree with you I but I'm think from a strategic standpoint there there's always a question of what would I prefer like as you know just a guy sitting here who does this thing with you and is really interested in this stuff what do I think is like best for democracy right but then there's a question of what would I do if I were the campaign you know and those are often different answers so like if I was the Harris campaign would I do it no I think I'd on my Laurels on this one and maybe do one more on a network that I could mutually agree on you know what I'm saying that's probably what I would do where the Harris campaign I think the first debate people forget Trump did not perform well in that debate right it was overshadowed because of the disastrous performance by Joe bod but I watched the whole thing and and I remember that was one of my takeaways was if Biden would have been okay I think we'd have been talking about Trump more in that first debate and I think to some extent that was what we saw tonight like I want to be clear I thought Harris was strong second half actually after the first like 15 20 minutes I thought she was good and had some nice lines and some good moments but if I had to pick if you said to me because you know for those just joining I think Harris clearly won the debate so if you were to say to me what was more true that Harris was really good or Trump was bad I think what was more true is Trump was bad Harris was good I want to be clear but to me the bigger story wasn't Harris being good it was Trump not performing and and and in a way that again look at it through the lens of a person who's undecided yeah the magga people are already with him we get it in fact someone just said Will trump win hell yes like yeah Trump has his supporters but if you're looking at if you were tuning into that debate and you watched this man ramble and rage and bring up things that are in many cases obviously and clearly debunked and talk about how the election was stolen and people eating dogs and it just was I don't know I don't know how you could as an undecided voter be like yeah that's my guy after tonight you know what I'm saying like as a person who didn't have a dog in the fight and and really didn't feel strongly about either candidate yet I don't know did you did you not have a dog because it was eaten by a Haitian migrant is that what you're saying I did have a dog in the fight but then the Nations got a hold of it and no now no no sir you know how I like to make fake debates like first take I don't know I I actually think that KL Harris did pretty well I'm not saying it was a home run I you know we said this about so you think so you think it was more if you had to pick one or the other Harris did well or Trump did badly you would side more if the Harris did well slightly y okay slightly because I would go slightly the other way but I think both are true when you when you made the analogy of extra base hit after the Democrat convention I agreed with that of her speech I thought it was a double probably a double so I I think we love to do the sports analogies as people can see here yeah I think I think she was good but a lot of that to me is because she's unproved on this stage you know like I still feel like when I watch her that she could just be bad right like she could just kind of go away and then you go well how the hell did did they have this woman who probably wouldn't have I still don't think she would have won the Primary if there was an actual primary I still don't think KLA Harris would have won but if you go back to her performance in 2020 and you go back to the fact that she wasn't very visible throughout her three and a half years of being VP she's had some opportunities to fall on her face and she hasn't I thought her speech was good I thought the CNN interview was okay it wasn't bad it wasn't great it was a single I I think today's performance was better than the CNN um interview I think it was equal to the the speech at the convention like yeah I I thought she won tonight more than Trump lost not by a ton but I was I was impressed especially if you're just watching now overcoming her first answer was bad her first answer was a word salad she looked like she wasn't ready for the big stage and I'm like oh is she going to [ __ ] the bed and then 20 minutes in abortion plus the the rally thing and then she never lost momentum for the next whatever however many you know hour or so it's interesting if Harris wins I think one of the things we'll look back on is that she was a political talent because remember this was a woman who was thought to be a rising star in the party yeah and that is why she was in the position she was in in 2019 where people put her among the first tier of candidates in that primary when it first started and I think what what happened was she got in she just wasn't ready she wasn't ready for that moment it was a weird moment in time where the party was moving super left can I so I I'm with you I've heard a lot of people say this that basically she she made a strategy point to try to go left of Bernie to win where and you can make the argument did she really want to do that is that really who she is now by the way sometimes that's worse right if you're saying I'm going to change my value structure to win but it seems like she felt like the way to win back then was go super left now obviously she's on a general election ticket she doesn't have to run in a primary you can move right to the center Center which is not only smart politically but maybe that's really where she is and the 2020 comma was her playing to some strategist that said you got to be left of Bernie to win I think so and she for whatever reason she wasn't comfortable and it and it was it showed and it didn't work and then she was picked as vice president and had a rough couple of interviews and looked timid and and yeah didn't get back out there but then and I I remember if you go back and you know watch some of our podcast I remember saying even before Biden got out hey I've been SE I've seen Harris a few times lately she looked she's much better and I really thought that and then you saw when she got into the race some of the rallies you saw it certainly at the convention speech which I thought was really good and then you saw it tonight this is the woman this is the talent I'm not saying she's Barack Obama I want to be clear I'm not saying she's a generational political talent but this is the ability that people saw back when when she was in Star and it's it flashes You' seen other flashes of it the Brett Kavanagh hearings she came off really well so but but I think this is the Arc of KLA Harris's career again who knows if she goes on um to win there's a lot of time left certainly that could happen and then the other thing and I um my my son's starting to act up and doesn't want to go to bed so I think I have to go soon but the other point I wanted to make is you and I have talked about this we spent a lot of time on this a few podcasts ago where we talked about the Republican re Republican re Reckoning that's coming if Trump loses you said earlier imagine what Nikki Haley would have done imagine Nikki Haley what she's thinking tonight watching this and again that doesn't mean the Republican party was ever going to nominate Nikki Haley because I think the party's changed so fundamentally that I don't know if she could get the nomination even if Donald Trump didn't exist I don't know the party's changed but but the part's going to have a hell of an internal fight when they reckon with what happened to them I mean you and I haven't done a show since the Dick Cheney endorsement but but that's like that's a stunning thing like I know people like you know Dick Cheney he's old he's obviously you know had had like a 12% approval rating when he left the vice presidency and he'll forever be tied to the Iraq War I get it but this man was the consumate Republic like the chief of staff to Gerald Ford was a was a soldier in Reagan's Republican party in the house in leadership the vice president of the United States in a very consequential time in American history for the last Republican president prior to Donald Trump and he's endorsing a Democrat over Donald Trump I that's a stunning thing whatever you feel about Dick Cheney or Donald Trump that is a stunning thing you know George W bush he I mean I'm not saying he's he's not going to announce an endorsement the fact that that he will not endorse the last Republican president I mean it's just the party this man what he has done to the party and again there are a few areas I think it's helped the Republican party and I agree with but in general I think it's been really really bad for the Republican party what he has done to the party and that Reckoning is g to be bad if he loses and also for the people who who bent the knee I get it man I get it it's politics you want to have a future but I this gets to the outlier status of trump that we talked about earlier he's not it's not a normal political thing like you a normal political thing would be I don't really love the candidate at the top of the ticket but you know what I got to get on board for my political future like that's typically how it happens right but Trump's such a unique figure that I think it really is Choice like a hard choice that a lot of these people have had to make and I don't know if he loses I think a lot of the people who bent the knee history's not going to remember them kindly is what I'm trying to say and it will remember kindly people like Dick Cheney who put party ahead of or put country you know ahead of party for sure 1728 people watching if you haven't subscribed yet please hit that subscribe button we are going toh wrap it up Eric's got to go here um and and look this is not the first time we brought this up and you can't change it now but you talk about the party the other thing they did which which may be the death blow is they literally nominated someone where all the polling and all the betting odds said they had a worse chance of winning than Nikki Haley which is really insane if you think about it now it doesn't make sense to talk about it now because that was a story five months ago it's over but like say what you want about Democrats but in the end and maybe it's not always the most democratic process I agree there's a lot of criticism that needs to be pointed at the Democrats but they rally around who they think has the best chance of winning that's what they did in 2020 with Joe bide what happened here was a little different I still wanted to Open primary I think maybe it was actually smarter strategically for everybody to get behind Harris and clearly if they win right I mean that that was the right move but we look back if Donald Trump loses a close election and say how in the hell did you nominate the candidate that clearly by all the polling and all the betting odds had a worse chance of winning than Nikki Haley that's really stupid it is yeah it is but the answer is because the answer is and I guess in a weird way there's credit here for voters is they wanted Trump more than they wanted to win that the in other words winning yes is important but it was more about the cult of this man right that is what was important that was the overriding thing is this is our guy and and so we don't care what the polling says and also I don't think they believed it I don't think they believed the polling I think they felt like Trump was going to be the person who was going who was going to win and and the the party of Haley that was the party of Dick Cheney that was the party of Ronald Reagan that's not this Republican party and that will be the interesting thing in the months after the election if Trump loses is Will and to what extent does the Republican Party revert back to what it was before or is it now permanently the Maga party even without Donald Trump is it a populist party that's proar and anti-immigrant and and non-intervention non-interventionist and foreign policy is it did he change it forever well said you want to end on that note buddy so you can go parent oh yeah do we have any any uh last questions or comments you want to get in thank you everybody for for listening and for leaving your comments and subscribing and liking we we really appreciate it Charlie and I do this at least once a week we'll probably do it multiple times a week leading into the election this is I'll tell you what man I expected a nice bump but like this has been amazing seriously you guys thank you please subscribe if you haven't I mean even right now we're we're 10 what we're 105 minutes in we got, 1500 people watching I think we had 2500 watching live at one point we've had like 50,000 people Eric wow 50,000 people or so have watched in the last like two hours so that's oh by the way I do have an update here Donald Trump in the spin room tonight said quote I think it was the best debate I've ever personally had he also said that har quote wants to do another one because she got beaten tonight but I don't know if we're going to do another one why should I do another debate she immediately said we won another one that's you know what happens when you're a prize fighter and you lose you immediately want a new fight I think I'll have to think about it okay but if I think if I won the debate maybe I shouldn't do it that was Trump in in the spin room tonight let's let's end on this because we like to go to the betting odds this is up to the minute there you go Tom Harris about 52 Trump 47 so Harris up about five percentage points in the betting odds and it's important to note that she jumped about 88.6% today so I'm sorry trumpers I'm not saying he can't win the election but he certainly did not win the debate it just is what it is Eric well done sir go ahead and parent you too buddy thank you everybody comment like subscribe hey the 1500 people of you if you haven't hit subscribed yet just hit that subscribe and then we're going to be doing content we got 50 days 55 days till election it's going to be great Eric see you buddy