so Tamara decided to exit from the trace Amigas and as we're almost a year of that happening it's better it's better Vicki and I are actually doing a show together a live show I'm excited about just you and me it be like eth and Louise and th Louise and Ethel and Lucy and lever and Shirley there was only two all the time anyway I think as Vicki and I get older and we have less tolerance for a lot of the noise we're realizing that maybe the Friendship wasn't as authentic as we thought it was with Tamara I'm not surprised by Shannon and Tamara's issues it kind of seems like a pattern to me honestly it feels like you get really close with Tamara and then something happens and it's like a big hard Fallout you want to want me to watch it wait you want I got watch it stop stop I think Shannon has done it longer than I have don't even blame it on me shador I'm what you said I understand that Tamara struggled with that relationship with Shannon for a long time and I understand that there were pain points there so the need for her to say either you're not drinking anymore or I can't do this anymore I think is valid and I get that where I don't get it is you're not just stepping away You're Now like caling down on Shannon on a regular basis you drink you can have a drink you're not driving I I'm aware I am oh yeah an alcoholic should drink yeah and that's a very different thing so it's and maybe it's misdirected anger or stuff coming out from the past but you know there's a way that we have to communicate with each other and I don't think that was it she can have alcohol she just can't get up behind a wheel ever ever ever do you truly believe she doesn't have a drinking problem You' you've been on this path for 10 years with me everybody [Music] has who made you the judge and jury of what my senses is because let me tell you something every freaking day that I wake up I think about what happened is it after you have a drink camera left for Scotland to film The Traders the day after my DUI so she wasn't in town and she did come home sick yet I I expected Tam to say how are you doing what did what have you done because I completed 30-day wellness program with um an alcohol component to it and I just thought that she she she proclaims publicly that she was there for me and tamber doesn't know anything about what I've been doing in the last year well I'm approaching the year mark of my DUI and she has no idea but yet she seems to act like an authority Li lie lie lie lie that's all you can do okay you need to stop because I need to stop what uncovering your bullsh I think ever since she came back to the show um she claims that I ghosted her for 2 years we had conversations yeah we did and I was there for they stopped then they stopped I have 153 screenshots to show that I didn't and in a two-month period so I I I think her coming back to the show we never got back to the way things truly were Tamara had her has her side and just busy and scheduling and then said that from what I understood was really disappointed cuz she was under the impression the ladies were talking about her she caught them talking about her when did I talk behind your back that I'm a horrible friend that I have a giant ego that my ego needs to be shut down that I think that I'm better than everybody now if you sit down with Shannon and Vicki they have a very different side tamaron didn't have the balls to call me or Shannon to tell us that she didn't want to be part of the show anymore she has vinegar running through her veins and a black heart good riddens I don't really know the true story I just just know that they're not together anymore and Shannon and Vicki are killing it it's just not a healthy friendship there was also a new face in Orange County this season Katie talk a little bit about your issues with her and the whole situation with the paparazzi rumors to be honest with you I'm sad because I really wanted to get to know Katie can you have a feud when only one person's involved one a few that a few it I wanted to talk because I feel like there's like this weird looming thing between you and I we didn't have a weird looming thing except all I know is that you're talking to all my friends about me and saying that I'm calling the paparazzi I mean I don't I don't know her five months before Katie joins our friend group or meets me she reaches out to some Rando person named Mark and says answer this for me does Heather de bro call it papazzi this person writes yes and she writes I knew it exclamation point there's so much unpack I think the biggest question is why why do you care how does this affect your life I found out that Gina not only knew about this ridiculous story when did she tell you all this a couple months ago like before Sutton's Christmas party before s yeah she didn't ask for proof she didn't vet the information and she laughed about it it was so upsetting to me why didn't you tell me in December [Music] the first one she told me I was like uh okay and she apologized she really did throw herself on her sword I thought it was in the best interest of everybody to let that go and to never bring that up and that was the decision that I made I wish you had said something yeah no I know I up I up I up and I'm sorry okay yeah happened which I really respected but after I marinated on it for a night I got pissed because I couldn't believe that my good friend would do that to me this one is the worst one for me it's the worst one and because I really did not have anything to do with their Rift and actually very I'm very clear and will always be very clear about the truth here that I told Katie not to do the things that she was doing I don't even know what to do with it now like honestly I just wish we could rewind time on that because from the beginning I kept telling Katie and I kept telling Heather and you see it I was championing Katie and I'm always championing Heather cuz I really thought that they had a lot in common they were going to get along to finally me we almost made something yeah for half a brief second it's nice to meet you they're like oil and water now it's just no no coming back from it by the way you didn't even ask me about the hot dog thing don't you think it's so bizarre that so Katie is like trying to do this big takedown of me and all of that and right before she does it at her golf event she says Heather I know you love hot dogs so I got you a hot dog bar I heard that you love hot dogs I do so we have a hot dog bar oh I love a hot dog it means you saw in season 16 that Jean and I were sharing a hot dog from a saet stand you know what I'm saying Super Fan Behavior so we bought a house in Beverly Hills a year ago and we threw stage Furniture in there we moved in we've been been living there for a year and now construction is ready to begin I'm happy to say and by doing a remodel you're going to come in at half of that so we can do this probably for 10 million yeah you recently posted that you're looking at slabs what vibe are you going for oh well I have to say this house I'm doing is unlike any other home that I've done it's really a departure and I'm loving it so we just moved out and here we go speaking of real estate how is Nikki he got his real estate license he made his first sale he interned with uh Josh Alman last year Nick du bro he's coming in as a boy he's leaving a man like his bar mitvah and this year he's working in production a little bit um you know he's really just trying to get a flavor of all different careers and see what he loves he's so good with people I really could see him in Hollywood I could see him in Hospitality in real estate you know lots that he can do Max is also doing great they're both going abroad this year for a semester Max uh is studying psychology she doesn't know what she wants to do yet and maybe law school she also sings this a talent show what did you sing the Megan chainer song we'll see where are they studying abroad uh Nikki's going to Florence and Max is going to Paris nice which I'm very excited about both yeah right you're going to visit oh of course can you share cat's College plans yeah so cat is is going to be a senior in high school and she is a filmmaker so the the academy that does the Oscars the academy does a teen film series and her film got accepted into that and which is so exciting she wants to go to school for film so she's applying now have you seen the film oh yeah yeah oh yeah it's amazing