Dr. Colita N. Fairfax Talks Project 2025

[Music] well good evening and welcome to portion of coffee talks Evening Edition show I'm slim Overton and of course por mof talks Evening Edition Show featuring Leah Dr Stith and you know the new format Leah features is featured on the evening show and the colonel is featured on the morning show but any way I'm over and Leah might be a little late but she's coming in here and we have a special guest and uh she's special anyway but she's special also because she's been on our show several times and she's never turned us down unless she's out of state or something comes up with the family which is more important than anything so but uh Dr Kia Fairfax is here with us today of course if you don't know she's professor at Nork State University the Nork State University EVN strong School of Social Work and uh we're glad to have her here and she's GNA give a presentation on project 2025 and if you think you know about it wait until you hear her presentation and and it's going to be very informative and very uh detailed about the things in there that affects us that affects us about that anyway before she does her presentation oh before we go there if you're watching on YouTube please like subscribe comment and share as well as if you're watching on our Facebook pages uh share share your page with someone else so they can get this information and also like us and uh before I do that too uh welcome uh Dr Fairfax to the YouTube world I see you have a channel now that that you can spread and spread that information I know one of your things is uh college should educate not only the students but they should Ed educate the communities that's right and most of those HBCU you know where they are yes I do so we appreciate that good luck with with your channel uh I appreciate that okay before you do your presentation Colonel do you have any comments uh you'd like to to give before the doctor gives her presentation well yes I I'll just make this short and sweet uh first thank you Dr Fairfax for coming on and uh spreading this uh bit of knowledge we are living in some perilous times where this this this experience this experiment in democracy may not survive on one election people and I know you're going to talk about project 2025 but there is an undertoe of of things that are going on that are sub or pre 2025 in actions in in laws or being p across this country and in setting up for what's going to happen when they take if they get the presidency the house and the Senate and they'll be able to just do about do with uh America anything that they want to do one of the things I just want to point out first is we all know that uh several months ago uh this uh unjust Supreme Court highly political uh struck down most of the affirmative action action uh issues or rights in America and one of the byproducts or uh is is that just recently there was a black Venture Capital capitalist fund that was uh funding black women and new startups because of the actions of the Trump and the and the Maga uh L Supreme Court they had to shut it down because they said it was it was uh reverse discrimination and so recently after that just last week Lowe's had to shut down their uh Diversity Program and this is going in is happening spreading across the entire Spectrum across all 50 states and in the territory because the corporate America is Running Scared because they don't want to be end up in law in a lawsuit and they're fearing if uh Trump and the Maga people get back in office and so I just needed to put that out as a food for thought and and uh having graduated from an HBCU school right across the water North State and Hampton who we play each other this week uh and I know you'll talk about that in your presentation but uh could you highlight where they want to take away HBCU funding yeah so program so I'mma turn on you yes yes Colonel and and and it's always a pleasure to be with uh you all and to be with poort Smith coffee talks because I I think our discussions are Community love discussions coming together to talk about uh the interest concerns the beauty the culture of of our people and so I I thank you again for providing me with an opportunity to serve uh to to serve to serve our people uh Colonel your introductory remarks are so appropriate to our discussion about project 25 because uh although uh we see a former president who wishes to become president again and also a whole machine behind him who wishes that he become president again we should not minimize nor ignore the machine that is behind uh Donald Trump so yes you know Donald Trump all of the kinds of things that are problematic morally ethically legally spiritually culturally philosophically ideologically all of those things are problematic about Donald Trump but let us not lose sight that he is supported and backed not only by millions of people who invest in believe in uh and believe that white supremacy should be the the foundational ideological springboard to how American society should work there are also International leaders who believe that once America can be under a certain uh domain then then there then lies the spoil for these International leaders both political and corporate to be able to take advantage of America because America absolutely is the number one superpower in the world and so we see this Ascension of anti-blackness and of white supremacy really uh be Unleashed actually when President Barack Obama uh ascends to the White House because now you you have to deal with black people in Ultimate political and economic positions and so unlike segregation um where uh one could be racist and that was the accepted order of the day uh we went through a a period right uh of of uh racism that that uh morphed into a more stealth undercurrent uh perhaps a very small period of time when uh certain things were not uh tolerated or accepted but when you have uh President Obama Ascend to the White House right that changed then the dynamic because uh there are uh persons companies systems people in power people in controlling interests who simply are not ever going to accept black people having equal Authority and or power equal access to controlling resources and be able to imp policy in a way uh that really reflects what a quote unquote you know multi- racial country is supposed to be about so what does this mean then for black people you know I'm all about black people I I mean that's where I am and this really means we've got to think very honestly and differently about uh certain policy documents uh and policy mandates certain uh policy statements that uh are in president Trump's orbit and so project uh 2025 is an example it is a policy mandate uh developed by the Heritage Foundation and the Heritage Foundation is a very wealthy influential uh conservative think tank and they've done this before when uh Ronald Reagan became president they created a mandate for leadership in 1981 which President Reagan used so this notion that uh if uh Trump becomes president again that he is not going to use this document is fing there there is no reason why we should assume that he would not and in fact it is so dangerous I shared with my students that curn James claburn uh who is the congressman from South Carolina HBC UT train South Carolina State University uh he was the majority whip and uh uh first black majority whip and he said that project 2025 is gim cot 2.0 well you know we ought to listen to the elders shouldn't we we ought to listen to him and he explains I remember in listening to him talk about project uh uh 2025 and I I wrote wrote down uh uh this uh for our discussion it's a structural change document which means that it is intent to change institutions and the way in which institutions function the way in which systems function it mandates reshaping how government functions and how the marketplace functions how the socioeconomic political system uh functions it supports authoritarianism so we have a president we don't have a king but guess what under project 2025 will have a king and it also seeks to minimize freedoms gained in movement so this is not a document right that people should should assume it's just you know a little itty bitty document it's a 922 page Manifesto and here's the thing you don't write that in a day you know this is a planned coordinated uh uh well uh financed document with hundreds of of organizations involved hundreds of organizations and with authors who spent uh months and months working on the chapters so so this this is a Playbook that is intent and meant to be used and we all play sports right we we all play sports your coach puts together A playbook to do what to win to win and so they intend to use it should I keep going keep going so keep so listen so again as I shared with my students at NSU this Playbook is meant uh to impact every field of study I told my students from from the School of Business to the Natural Sciences to those in education to those of us who are in the cultural and Behavioral Sciences those who are in history and Humanities regardless of what your profession is those who are military folks regardless of what discipline profession you choose you will be impacted by this document if it is enforced uh most of the authors of the chapters in Project 2025 worked in Donald Trump's previous presidential candidate so this whole notion that oh I'm not connected to them does not makes sense and we simply should not accept it and then here's the thing people know how dangerous it it is and I shared with my students uh Don Scott first black Speaker of the House sent Governor yunan a letter when he learned that Lindsey Burke had been assigned to the board of visitors at George Mason University lindsy Burke wrote the chapter on education the chapter on education where it is articulated that the Department of Education should probably be eliminated and so Don Scott wrote a letter about this concern how would someone who believes that the Department of Education should be eliminated and wrote other really really bizarre things in this chapter have the privilege to sit on a board of visitors of one of the Commonwealth's public institution and the largest public institution in the Commonwealth of Virginia and that she should be removed and Governor yunan wrote him back and told him he he had no intent to remove this woman from the board of visitors and the board of visitors as we know is a policym board for the institution that it it governs well you know what and I I'll comment on that is because Glenn I'll call him Glenn because I even hate to say he's our governor it tries to do things in the darkness of night and now he has been caught and he knows that uh uh Scott cannot do anything because it is a Governor's right to appoint but we don't have to have it like going through the senate for confirmation once he says you're on there uh you uh she could go on to that uh he could put anybody on these boards that he wants any the clan members that he knows that he frequents with uh he can put them in and for those who not that says that okay uh so she's on the board but look at what happens and policies that she would do to change that University and that's only the first step because if you look at uh like in the first time that Trump was in office and Betsy DeVos was our secretary of education what did she do to uh to uh public education and the gutting of and and gutting of Education why she was in there yeah I know our students talk about uh some of them graduated and all and talk about well uh Joe Biden didn't didn't do anything for my school loans but if you really look at it you haven't looked at the news or any re any uh research to say who has been fighting for to get you those stool loans uh forgiven and who has been against it from day one and if you look at project 2025 they saying they want to eliminate any uh any notion of for loone forgiveness for anybody absolutely ABS anybody they've gone to the courts and uh President Biden has stepped up and has gone and around them each time try to and he's given out billions of dollars of stone student loan repayment against these Republicans and the Maga people uh if you were uh active duty or you were on so went on Social Security Disability you know what uh you got your loan student loans repaid they disappeared people don't know that he went behind them and did that that for cases and cases you know for uh you know if you were say you're a teacher and working in a underserved uh population right and after 10 years of paying on your school loan government in in the body of your loan when you signed it 10 years ago the government was going to pay this back for you it but when Betsy was there only 3% of those 3% of those loans were paid off they always found some excuse uh you didn't dot one of your eyes and your name so you know Dr fairf you forgot to D dot the eye so send it back to you but we're gonna wait six months before we let you know you forgot the ink didn't Dot and so only 3% of those loans got processed yeah and it goes on and on and on and uh so in the gutting of our public education system K through2 they want to put that in a block grant back to the States so we go back so if you have a governor like Glenn it goes back but separate but unequal right right and those charter schools out there get which is financed by suppos to be financed by P private money they're getting a piece of your taxpayer dollar yeah it shouldn't be should not be should not be should not be this is the intent the so you you've laid out the reality of of what would happen even if just a smidget right of the articulation in the chapter on education might occur the gutting of all federal school loans and and transmitting them or turning them to Private Industry what know even if you do that many people are not going to be granted uh loans and they will come with exorbitant interest rates so so I we you know we just need to understand what this means then for the yet un unborn the other really really bizarre aspect about project 2025 is the preoccupation with removing language which really uh in terms of woke you don't find woke in any policy articulation and of course you know woke for us which is our term has a different connotation having to do with our struggle and our our vigilance to stay active in the struggle to keep yourself in a mindset of struggle but they they they've just interpreted that to mean you know anti-establishment well perhaps it is you know but it's not anti-patriotic because to protest is patriotic you know to to stand up for your your your rights is p iotic right so but they decided where anything that that includes the word woke should be stricken and then they included such language such as anything related to gender uh gender equality gender Equity diversity Equity inclusion gender awareness gender gender sensitive abortion reproductive Health Reproductive Rights any of those terms are to be stricken from all policy articulation agency articulation contract grants regulations any so so this is an intellectual and ideological framework where uh institutions of American society should not then embody any uh articulation recognition of race racial differences or recognition of female empower ow the ability for a woman to work with her health professionals if if an abortion is required if an abortion is necessary uh and or it is to minimize then those persons who may be of the lgbtq uh community and so in in Project 2025 they they they have written that and this is just on page five uh that critical race Theory and gender ideology is to be uh uh excised from curricula in every Public School one of the things I as my students at NSU and you know and they're young enough to tell me they they've been out of high school what two or three years and that is well did y'all learn about critical rights theory in school no they did not did you learn about gender ideology in school no no you have these State the state controls unfortunately the curricula so as I told my students it's a nothing Burger all of it is a nothing burger and it is meant to as a rouse as a reason as an excuse right for them to do what uh they wish to do I I talked to my students about the military now you know people who serve the military and my my grandfather and all his um Brothers cousins the first cousins served I had great uncles to serve in World War I I had uncles to serve my father's Brothers served in in Vietnam I I my father-in-law retired Air Force I I I understand the military in a very personal and private way this document really wishes to politicize the military it wishes to use public school as what I call a feeding ground for a draft in their public schools that receive funding and these would be Title One lowincome schools that every student should take the armed services vocational aptitude battery which is you know the military entrance exam this this is you are coercion this is coercion and it means oh let's go to the poor people and and have them be the fighting class while we're terminating All rights for their community and then there's this other foolishness on page 122 and that is to uh to eliminate the rainbow flag and the black lives matter flag uh uh from being hosted on any embassies where the American flag is posted it is it is written to privatize TSA it is uh written uh that the and listen Ken Cinelli h who was the former attorney general for the Commonwealth of Virginia wrote the chapter on the Department of Homeland Security in his chapter he writes that either the Department of Homeland Security be closed or replaced with a standalone border an immigration agency at the cabinet level which means which means this would be the conduit for the 11 or 12 million mass deportations that the president has discussed and then how how does this document really go after Black Folk well it is written chapter 5 to eliminate up to 1 million federal jobs declare public unions illegal take away union rights gut federal workers pay and benefits and privatize several agency several government a I I I don't understand why people haven't uh awakened from the Slumber that they are in because this will unleash a whole level of Terror in this document page 246 and I read most of this document I read I I I can't tell you how swelled my heart was in reading and studying this document in this document it is written to strip funding from the Corporation of public broadcasting now this is public education National Public Radio public broadcasting services to strip funding and that the president because remember all of the power is in this document is to uh uh be within the arms rength of the president and it is to instruct the Federal Communications Commission to exclude stations affiliated with PBS affiliated with NPR to exclude them I I I don't understand why people are not running to ensure that they can vote o the chapter on agriculture absurd absurd limit spending directly to Farmers and ranchers when there's been an unforeseen event so an unforeseen event it could be what we would call an act of God hurricane tornado flooding so so the very people who provide produce provide meat provide other ingredients for other things why why why would you limit spending it it it it is to suppress business growth and it is also to suppress the availability of food the same chapter uh the chapter on agriculture it is to eliminate it's written to eliminate or Implement work requirements for SNAP which is the food nutritional program Wick women's infant and children this is to punish poor people to diminish the quality of life of poor people and to and to minimize the availability of assistance and assistance is already really small it's not like it's it makes a dent in your world it doesn't move people from One socioeconomic class to another it is only a syst but you want to take that away you and listen it's also written same chapter that the uh USDA this is the Department of Agriculture should not provide meals to students doing the summer unless they're in summer school these are impoverished students so it's just it's mean it's mean-spirited politics it is and it is meant you all to undermine a certain quality of life that is supposed to be a part of America same chapter they wish to repeal the federal labeling mandate on genetically engineered Foods so they wish to repeal dietary guidelines so we're talking about the labels on products that we buy and you know many of us have to watch certain things calories sugar it's just it's just absurd it's just it's it's just absurd and and going back to uh the the department of of Education listen they it is written this is this is this is the chapter written by a woman who now sits on the board of visitors George Mason it is written in this chapter that the National Education Association and the American Federation of teachers are special interest groups when do teachers make a lot of money again a nothing Burger they wish to she has written in this chapter minimize application of Civil Rights Act in education eliminate terms such as sexual orientation gender identity prohibit compel speech of teachers meaning teachers better not speak out on anything better not do it eliminate long forgiveness which you spoke about reject gender ideology and critical race Theory we send non nonbinary Cate so people who choose pronouns who who want to associate with pronouns they will not be able to have that right that that the uh your sexual identity is that which is assigned to you at Birth uh they want to she has written in this chapter that this is a woman again sits on the board of visitors of a public institution but guess what she has written in this chapter that funding to HBCU and tribal colleges should be block rant and narrowed with that alone ought to make us as Mom and gab would say make us want a holler and throw both our hand you know she wants she's wrote in this chapter the office of civil rights should be removed to the Department of Justice well in the Department of Justice chapter that author wrote listen that uh uh Department of Justice should be moved under the president and not function as a standalone Department very bad news you are very very you know uh before you go can I ask can I ask a question right quick colon uh Dr Fair fact you mentioned how long it took to put this together and um it's probably going to be around for a long time but I think it's important for people to know with these presentations like you were giving especially those undecided out there the ones say I'm not going to vote how important it is for us not to let them get back in office where they can implement this because if they don't get in office they can't implement it because the president has to sign off on all this stuff so it's important at least for the next four years we put a stop to this so uh and I want to ask you also how how are the students receiving this because it's going to affect their Futures are they really receptive to this or are they paying attention are is their interest sparked as far far as what's in this document yes so I I have received excellent feedback and reactions uh about the uh presentation on Project 2025 and in fact day before yesterday the spotting Echo at NSU the student newspaper uh interviewed me about about the presentation it was wonderful speaking with uh the young lady named Destiny who is a fabulous reporter fabulous student at at NSU and so this is this is really good and I think we just need to really continue to build uh Mo momentum about this topic you know what uh one thing slim you talked about uh voting just not for the president but you have to vote and you have to put these Republicans up and down the uh ballot because is uh you know you look at for instance you know we have a lot of Governor races across this country that can put a stop to some of the lunacy that is going out there you got the house representative you got school boards you got Mayors I mean all the way up and down the ballot we have to step out and stamp stamp it out and and as they say uh let's destroy it while they're still in the bed before they get out of the crib because we cannot let it fester and we were talking about the education the destruction of or or the downsizing of our Ed or the destruction of our education system really started in my opinion back in the George Bush era when they pass they leave all the children's Left Behind Act where they started teaching the sols and teaching for a test and so we left out where we can uh talk about critical thinking and so that started the whole ball game back then and now it is morph into now we just want to in I think was one of the presidential uh rep I think it was like Ben Carson during the time no or was it I think it was Ben Carson during the debate says he wanted to get uh rid of the uh Department of Education was one of the Ben Ben Carson yes uh wrote wrote a chapter in Project 2025 he wrote the chapter on housing yes so so Ben Carson is has decided to cast his lock yes with with these people you know education uh and this is a whole another another topic but you know public education has been a problem for the status quo since the 1954 Brown versus the Board of Education passage which desegregated schools to a degree to a degree uh and it really I think uh began to undermine uh community control and the community wishes for how we uh preferred our students to be uh educated and so ever since really Brown and and and after the passage of brown we see a growth really of the private school industry because you have people who refuse to have their their children attend schools with black children but here's the thing No Child Left Behind uh you if you if you use an African Senate analysis with No Child Left Behind it it was really meant to intellectually our children was me it was meant to arrest teachers creativity in school arrest the way in which they teach and what they might teach it was meant to regiment learning to the point where you are creating robots you're not you you you are suppressing genuine intellectual and artistic uh growth and capabilities you are then deciding that the only information you need to know the only information that is relevant is uh information that really is centered in you know white culture White History white white philosophical Concepts you know white ideas about the world and unless that child had other educational influences in their lives parents who lean in and are engaged churches who still teach black history and black culture in Sunday School uh and in other activities uh and or community Outlets then uh what happens is what I have been seeing for the past few years and that is students beautiful students come to college not even really understanding themselves not understanding themselves culturally not understanding themselves in relationships not only to one another but to the world and the realities then of what it means to be black you know what what are those models from the past and how am I going to apply them today to solve real issues in the community so so No Child Left Behind was was although it was couched as we're providing the policy is providing uh uh uh uh possibilities and opportunities for students to choose schools and choose this and choose that it also though you all came with a price and and it it has shaped it has now you talk about a policy that has really reshaped Public School No No Child Left Behind every child has been left behind yes yeah col used to talk about that all the time yeah that's why I always call it by its real name is H leave all the children behind at leave all the children behind yeah leave all the children and so what happens is it becomes then challenging honestly uh by the time the student gets into the sophomore junior year where then they are expected right to show competency with certain writing skills certain conceptualization certain critical thinking skills you know certain integrative applications it becomes challenging because that's a whole foreign way for them to think and to uh conceptualize and now what we're battling is AI so so so AI now is a tool and and chat GPT so students unfortunately not all but many are using chat GPT and AI to generate papers and all you and I I learned this all you have to do is is is write in you know what you need and a whole springboard will come up and you cut and paste it it is it is uh it is it is troubling yeah you know my my my daughter is a college professor and she talks about that all the time and how you know uh some of the students totally use it and and then uh one student I think she uh gave a bad grade for it because you know it it's you can pick it up they have system that picks it up right away that it's a Ai and they they uh tried to stare her down and tell her that they actually wrote that but that's amazing yeah you can there AI detectors online so you can cut and paste and put it put that information in the detector and then it'll provide you with a percentage and which I unfortunately had to do and when you get 99% AI generated you're like oh my gracious that's what she said 99% you know she there's no leadway there for her to you know compromise on that no you have to ask yourself and America has to ask itself why are we having an onsa assault on education why and so if you look at it and look at the and the effects of the undertone you know uh uh Mr Glenn uh had a executive order that he said that instead government jobs state government jobs uh you didn't require a Balor anymore so uh Bubba who's uh got a friend in can get his son in who barely sneaked through with a high school uh diploma and put him in such and such job high-paying job in the state and by time Glenn gets out and in Harley and it's hard once you're in the state to actually get rid of you so you're being you'll be grandfathered in by the laws and and that agency will be forever where their Bubba's son or grandson is in will be able to be crippled forever but they'll be on the payroll yeah but if you go back and look at it in its totality it's saying we don't want a lot of college graduates anymore right well well what one more point I'm sorry I'm sorry you you you speak in my language go go go ahead I don't I don't want to college graduate because look at the uh HS now is saying who's voting Maga and who's voting for Trump yeah and there's a big dis uh uh disparity of non college educated white males vote we Republican party and they have set this up from way back when to keep this higher education prora and we know all the good stuff that happens if you have that college degree we have a better chance of an economic future you know and so on and so forth and to make it work and if you don't have that education and and spe or Balor and if you don't have a trade school to put you in the middle class if I'm just in that poor situation I can fool you with anything I can tell you the others have taking your job that the others are taking especially when we talk about us the others are taking those black jobs what the black jobs I haven't discussed that you know haven't figured that out if there's a black job out there for us but the others have taken it so you believe that stuff yeah if you don't have the if you don't have the uh the uh critical thinking skills to figure out that you've been built you you've been as a malol says been Hoodwink Boozled Bamboozled Boozled Hoodwinked yeah way back yes go ahead no no no but let let's just and and this is really a a part of why we need to pay attention to such uh propaganda documents like U and and plan like project 2025 because the fact that that that Donald Trump keeps saying black jobs yes because you know the whole intent of creating this because remember the public school system now or has been now since in this new century you know uh has more black students than ever before what do you do with these students you don't want them to be educated to go against the status quo you don't want them to be educated to question certain things you don't want them to be educated for them to stay in love with their own people their own culture their own history their own tradition you know their own ways of healing their own ways of worship you know you and so and so it benefits the status quo and so the fact that Trump keeps saying you know uh black jobs he keeps using that term it is absolutely meant to maintain a worker underclass uh minimally skilled group of people that benefits those empow now what he does is you know he he also xenophobic right so he doesn't want immigrants here but I think too we should be mindful uh that uh immigrants and and I'm not opposed to immigration but what what I think we though should be mindful in terms of our own communities is that immigrants often come here you all they are indifferent to our history here they're indifferent to the unique ways that we are forced to interface with systems and they are insensitive and indifferent and so you know that's a whole another conversation but I think these are you know socioeconomic uh issues from our perspective that we need to unpack more Dr faf we certainly want to have that conversation at some time and and I'd like to get you in the Colonel's take on on the debate but before we go there um what would you tell people you know it's a 920 page document and how what how would you tell some people to approach it I think with students you know if you really want to get get something out of it with students they can come to groups and assign certain pages and then get together and discuss it I guess uh adults could do that too but what would be your way telling someone how to approach it because they might be scared away with that 900 page you know B now I'm not even tackling that but it's ways you can go in there and and find some things that might be beneficial yes that's an excellent question sir and Mr over tenant I I would approach it with choose a chapter you're interested in and study that chapter because each of the chapters are so absurd each each of them are so obsurd you're G you're going to find observed articulations in uh in the chapter just some other examples because I know our time is is is getting close but uh it's written uh in the house and Urban Development chapter to overhaul it to place statutory restrictions uh on firsttime home buyers so it means really to restrict the eligibility of firsttime home buyers uh to abandon the affirmative action obligation that authorities have with regards to single family housing programs across federal agencies and government sponsored Enterprises this is the chapter written m by Ben Carson by Ben Carson and in the chapter uh uh written about the Department of Justice listen uh in this chapter one of the things that that jumped out at me is that uh if local and uh State Attorneys use their own discretion which they often do to either pursue or not pursue prosecutions and certain cases well it's written that the justice department May initially eventually or may have the authority to intervene to force those attorneys to prosecute now you know depending upon the jurisdiction depending upon the district you know those those um decisions are are made but the justice department should not have that kind of of uh intervention unless there's been Mal s or a process a prosecutorial process hasn't been followed through but this is saying no if if you don't do something we think you should do just because we think it not because there's been you know a process broken a a procedure broken no we can step in and we and we can take care this is very very dangerous every chapter is dangerous the chapter on energy these people do not believe in climate change they don't believe that there should be any assistance if something happens to to district and we saw what happened in ' 05 with our brothers and sisters in New Orleans in the Gulf of uh Mississippi and so they are they are legislating you all our very demise they are and and I think it's important that what you did too is uh focus on the authors of those different sections and and their backgrounds and I think if you know who is writing this that might help you too as far as U yeah who is writing these things so absolutely anyway uh get to the uh debate before we run out of time and uh I'll just let you um you and the colonel talk about how' you feel about it colonel well I can summarize it and I'll use the example of a sports analogy or sports event that happened decades ago with uh Roberta Duran and uh Sugar Ray Lim and that fight when basically Sugar Ray just whipped him to death and that dab and and then blooded him up and what Roberto says no M no more no more that exactly what uh Trump is saying today uh noas he says I won't debate her anymore because he says he won but that means is that no just say noas noas she beat the he also said he won the election yeah she beat that H out of him yeah and then so uh if I was her I wouldn't debate you know even though she says she wants to ba debate him again and he's running scared and uh he'd had to come out on his knees to debate me again because you don't give him a second chance to to to try to morph into somebody he's not going to be yeah I was conflicted with her even debating this man the man has you know is a convicted felon yeah you know and he's he's just so profane he's so profane in every way um but we all know the political Stratosphere if she didn't debate him then it would be it would it would turn into oh well she either was afraid or she wasn't uh capable I agree with you I I I think that uh Madame vice president uh performed admirably she she she she she did what she came there to do and and not not only to expose him for the person that he is uh but also uh she talked about her uh Economic Opportunity uh policy platform and I I think that all of what she did was important I I think that uh she reacted appropriately to the most insane and irrational things that he said um I I I wish I would like to have heard from her and I hope to hear from her more policy articulation uh that's going to uniquely benefit the black community I I I was disappointed that the subject of police brutality did not come up and in fact this there was really no segment on race and politics at all I was a little small yeah yeah I I I yeah exactly so I I I was irritated um that that didn't come up you know the George Floyd uh justice and policing act which has yet to see the light of day the John Lewis Voting Rights Act which is an important policy articulation uh and and and you know just just as an aside you know uh Liz Cheney you know comes out Republican to support KLA Harris well Li sheney voted against those policies I just met so I don't really care about an endorsement from L chain and I think we need to you know not get so happy uh with with certain endorsements and and and stick to the history that we know I would like to heard from her uh a policy mandate that supports uh black men exiting prison who struggle to find their economic footing who who struggle right to be connected uh with their families as as contributors as supporters as protectors uh I would like to have heard more of a a policy articulation about you know uh providing more funding for persons in recovery for persons who are dual diagnosis for persons who are have mental health issues out these mental health community centers are so lowbudget are underfunded you only have a a skeleton staff and they're supposed to serve thousands and thousands of people and because we live in this anti black a profane white supremist civilization yes we should expect some of our people to lose their minds and we and we need extra funding so that they can uh get the kind of intervention and the help uh that that they need I would like to have heard more articulation about how we gonna teach a better history the real honest truth history in our country I would like to have heard articulation about you know how to provide funding for more of the economies in our community you know the cultural economies museums and Community Theaters and you know economic co-ops how we can you know fund you know some of the archives in our community and these are all job creation and institution you know building so so I I think no doubt you you know she is the preferred candidate in terms of pushing our black Freedom struggle forward but but we're going to have to stay in her face with our expectations I think that's going to have to come with the interviews you know because they had to you know if if they had to prepare for a normal person it would have been different but they had to prare prepare prepare for him to take his manhood away from him or he would have just been crazy and hopefully all those things you mentioned that they will they will uh have a strategy of where they go with their interviews who they talk to and make sure the message gets to the right people but that and not interview not debate him again that's not going to happen because you you have to approach someone like him differently and all those subjects can't come up because you have to be on top of him I think oh I I agree Mr Overton but as we move forward these and other issues they have to come up have come I agree with you and we've gota we have got to keep those issues in the Forefront we can't I don't believe we should assume anything and I think we Community made that mistake a bit during the second term of Barack Obama we do not need to to make the same mistake yeah but you know I will say is that she still has to get elected yeah too much out there it turns off that that white America that will say oh she's only if it's too black you're saying yes and then so uh some of that will have to take with a gra grain of salt that she won't be a a Barack Obama who is sort of scared of his own sha Shadow when it came to Black issues and I don't think she's going to be that but she still has to get elected in this 5050 uh world that we're in and so she has to get that message out to our community though yes Som her surrogates and then so she can have plause deniability unless she's called on called on it we have to Whispering campaign I got the here's a paper you know I have uh uh representative uh uh U from you know one of the advisor the her Representatives can come out and spokesman come out and talk about that and uh on different platforms but she has to run that risk of that segment because it's going to be a a thin you know election period you know for I no I think you're you're right Colonel I list all those things for the benefit of the listeners for them to to to have policy understanding and ideas of impactful and and meaningful policy so you're right we we you know we the goal is is to put the best opponent in in the White House and she is it and when she gets in the white house we we should never assume yes yes yes right you know the other piece is whatever policies he puts out there you have to also ask is where is his just like his health care plan of seven years ago was always we're going to announce it in two weeks and now when he has it on national TV he has that outline or or or concept of a plan yeah that he has nothing but everything she has you just say what is his oh and yeah his his his final words his final summation was an attack he offered nothing that he would do and and the fact that that he said oh I have a concept it's like you know a seasoned politician would never have have said that that was so sophomoric of of him the dude is unserious yeah but it's close yes explain that you know and that's why I I go back on depending on you know you have to be careful what you tell America now and yeah we're just gonna like we trust and verify because it's just so close and I hear and then I hear you know as they say in the barber shop oh what she's gonna I need to hear these policies but you if I told you some policies you wouldn't you know you really don't understand them you but what is the other guy's policy well precisely why why are we playing this game yeah why are we playing this game and so she she is the best candidate for uh the community she is the best candidate this is a woman who uh has a background that that we can identify with this is a woman who's been connected to black institutions and organizations you know she she she has you know disavowed who she is no and I'm glad she's not uh caving to having to discuss uh uh her her Blackness it's just absurd it's absurd America has never had an issue with uh identifying black people who were black people everybody who wasn't white if you had a drop of black in you whether the black was from the south whether the black was from the Caribbean whether the black was from the motherland you were you you were black so now all of a sudden folks and and the white establishment believe she needs to defend and and it is demeaning it is demeaning and people are forgetting I'm speaking now about people in our own Community are forgetting Blackness Blackness it's it's just absurd yes really and you know I have to give her props because she is not following for the uh the Barack Obama mistake or trying to have to defend himself or Hillary Clinton saying I'm the first woman right has broughten that up I'm her her her claim is I'm just the best qualified yeah bam done yeah you said we're forgetting black Blackness but they're not yeah exactly in other words they know she's not white right so that's why exactly discuss it like you said is exactly but that's that's precisely why the uh the establish believes that they go after her race because well she's not black so well they want to treat her like a mut it it is really insulting but but also it shows you then how America and American institutions will take race and and use it in a way that benefits the status quo yeah yes indeed well we come to the end I want to thank you Dr Fairfax again for coming on you've been on here many times and you know we're going to be calling you again we have to get on that immigration thing we have to talk about that but I'm still looking for an opportunity to have students up here to have a conversation with some students so as they get more into their semester maybe we can work something out like that absolutely all right absolutely thank you for the opportunity thank you thank you again and remember we're here for our voice our community and our future see you next time see you next time bye bye bye bye e [Music] oh [Music]