>>> DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE GOODS THAT WE CAN HAVE SERIOUS PROSECUTIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY? AND I WANT THE "MORNING JOE" PRODUCERS THAT WATCH US, ALL THE PRODUCERS THAT WATCH US, THIS IS JUST NOT RHETORIC. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY DEAD SERIOUS. YOU CANNOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC AND ALLOW WHAT THESE DEEP-STATERS HAVE DONE TO THE COUNTRY. THE DEEP STATE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE, THE FOURTH BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, NEVER MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION, IS GOING TO BE TAKEN APART BRICK BY BRICK. AND THE PEOPLE THAT DID THESE EVIL DEEDS WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND PROSECUTED. CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS. KASH, I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE HEAD OF THE CIA, BUT DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN DELIVER THE GOODS ON THIS IN A PRETTY SHORT ORDER IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS SO WE CAN GET ROLLING ON PROSECUTIONS? >> YES, WE GOT THE BENCH FOR IT, BANNON. YOU KNOW THE GUYS. HE WILL GO OUT AND FIND THE CONSPIRATORS NOT JUST IN THE GOVERNMENT, BUT IN THE MEDIA. YES. WE'RE GOING COME AFTER THE PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA WHO LIED TO AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT ALLOWED JOE BIDEN TO BREAK ELECTION. STEVE IS WHY THEY HATE US. THIS IS WHY WE'RE TYRANNICAL. TO PROSECUTE FOR CRIMES THEY SAY WE HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF. >> TWO PROMISING TO PROSECUTE JOURNALISTS IF HE WINS A SECOND TERM. STEVE BANNON, AND THEN KASH PATEL, WHO SERVED ON TRUMP'S NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. HE MADE THOSE THREATS LATE LAST YEAR, ON BANNON'S PODCAST, BEFORE BANNON'S INCARCERATION. JOINING US, STAFF WRITER AT THE "THE ATLANTIC," ELAINA PLOTT CALABRO. TITLED "THE MAN WHO WILL DO ANYTHING FOR TRUMP. "ELAINA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. KASH PATEL, A NAME THAT NOT MANY AMERICANS KNOW. HE DOESN'T QUITE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, STEVE BANNON IS CERTAINLY SOMEONE PEOPLE ARE MORE FAMILIAR WITH. BUT KASH PATEL IS SOMEONE WHO SERVED TRUMP BEFORE. SEEMS LIKELY TO DO SO AGAIN, IN A VERY PROMINENT POSITION. TELL US MORE ABOUT HIM. >> SO, EXACTLY AS YOU POINTED OUT, AMERICANS DON'T REALLY KNOW WRIT LARGE WHO KASH PATEL IS. FOR THAT REASON, I SAW HIM IN SOME WAYS EMBLEMATIC OF THE SORT OF PERSON THAT TRUMP IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HIRE TO STAFF HIS ADMINISTRATION. BUT THE NOTES ARE THAT KASH PATEL IS SOMEBODY WHO CAME INTO THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WITH VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE. STARTING ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. BUT WITHIN A YEAR AND EIGHT MONTHS, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, WAS ESSENTIALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE TRUMP WAS HOPING TO PROMOTE HIM TO DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE FBI. AND YOU HAVE OFFICIALS LIKE CIA DIRECTOR GINA HASPEL. ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR, OBJECTING VOCIFEROUSLY TO HIS PROMOTION. I NOTED IN THE PIECE, IN THE SECOND TERM, IT'S NOT LIKELY AT ALL THAT YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE LIKE GINA HASPEL IN THE ADMINISTRATION TO SORT OF RESTRAIN TRUMP IN THE PROMOTION OF PEOPLE LIKE KASH PATEL WHO ARE HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO HIS AGENDA OF PERSONAL REVENGE. >> WE'VE HEARD NOW, BANNON, PATEL, OTHER TRUMP ALLIES TALK AT LENGTH ABOUT GOING AFTER JOURNALISTS WHO THEY THINK OPPOSE THEM. WE JUST PLAYED A CLIP FRANKLY, THIS SHOW WAS MENTIONED. HOW REAL, ELAINA, DO YOU THINK THE THREATS ARE? >> I THINK THEY'RE QUITE REAL. I THINK IN A SECOND TRUMP TERM WE HAVE TO TAKE VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY AND LITERALLY, AS THE OLD SAYING WOULD GO, THE THREATS TO NOT JUST GO AFTER JOURNALISTS BUT ANY PERCEIVED ENEMY OF TRUMP IN HIS FIRST TERM. SO THIS IS NOT JUST MEDIA, BUT, YOU KNOW, CAREER OFFICIALS IN THE GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE LIKE KASH PATEL FEEL QUITE STRONGLY ABOUT THE EARLY DAYS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE DEVOTED EXPLICITLY TO GOING AFTER NAMES LIKE THIS. I THINK THE WIDESPREAD NATION, DEFINITION OF ENEMIES IS WHAT SHOULD TROUBLE MANY AMERICANS ABOUT THIS AGENDA. BUT, YES, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT QUITE SERIOUSLY. >> EUGENE, TAKE YOUR QUESTION TO ELAINA, BUT WE SHOULD NOTE THAT TRUMP HAS SAID IT, HIS MISSION, RETRIBUTION. >> YEAH, HE'S SAID IT. A GREAT PIECE AS ALWAYS. I THOUGHT THE MOST FASCINATING PART OF IT WAS THE FACT THAT YOU FOUND, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH KASH PATEL SAID THAT HE LACKED IN IDEOLOGY. AND THAT MADE HIM EVEN MORE DANGEROUS, UNLIKE SOMEONE LIKE STEPHEN MILLER DOESN'T HAVE THIS THING MOVING HIM. THIS POLICY THAT HE'S REALLY OBSESSED WITH. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK FOLKS WILL FIND THAT REALLY INTERESTING. >> IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU, EUGENE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THAT WAS SOMETHING I STARTED THINKING A GREAT DEAL ABOUT AS I INTERVIEWED PEOPLE, FORMER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS. I WOULD SAY WHAT IS IT THAT THIS PERSON ACTUALLY BELIEVES. AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, STEPHEN MILLER IS SOMEONE, WHO BEYOND DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF IS QUITE COMMITTED TO FAR-RIGHT POLICIES ON IMMIGRATION. KASH PATEL, HOWEVER, HIS IDEOLOGY, IN ESSENCE, IS LOYALTY TO DONALD TRUMP. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT GINA HASPEL OBJECTING ADAMANTLY TO HIS PROMOTION TO THE TOP OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT, WHAT IS MOTIVATING THOSE OBJECTIONS IS THE FACT THAT WHATEVER IT IS THAT KASH PATEL WANTS TO DO HINGES ALMOST ENTIRELY ON WHAT IT IS THAT TRUMP WANTS TO DO. THERE'S NO INDEPENDENT WORLD VIEW IN HIS DECISIONS. SO, HE IS THE TYPE OF PERSON, AS I NOTED IN THE PIECE, A FORMER TRUMP FOUNDATION SAID TO ME HE'S THE PERSONA TRUMP KNOWS CAN TURN TO AND SAY, HEY, I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO BREAK INTO THE DNC. BUT -- TO KNOW THAT, TRUMP SEES HIM AS THIS QUOTE-UNQUOTE USEFUL TOOL AS THIS OFFICIAL PUT IT TO ME, MEANS THAT IT'S QUITE UNPREDICTABLE WHAT IT IS HE CAN DO IN A SECOND TERM. >> MOLLY, PLEASE TAKE THE NEXT QUESTION. >> HOW CAPABLE DO YOU THINK HE IS? HE'S SORT OF VERY MUCH A TRUMP PERSON, DOES NOT LIKE IDEOLOGICAL. BUT I'M CURIOUS IN YOUR MIND, HOW CAPABLE DO YOU THINK HE ACTUALLY IS BY ACTUALLY ENACTING THESE THINGS? >> WELL, IF HE'S POWERED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, HE IS QUITE. AND I NOTE HE DOESN'T HAVE A DEEP BACKGROUND IN NATIONAL SECURITY MATTERS. THE FACT THAT HE WAS IN THESE POSITIONS OF POWER, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF HIS LAST POSITIONS WAS CHIEF OF STAFF, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ACTING SECRETARY CHRIS MILLER. IN THAT POSITION, KASH PATEL DECIDED THAT HE REALLY WANTED TO INVESTIGATE, AN INSANE CONSPIRACY THEORY RELATED TO DONALD TRUMP ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS OF TWO PEOPLE IMPRISONED IN ITALY AT THE TIME. THE FACT THAT HE WAS IN THAT POSITION OF POWER, IT DIDN'T MATTER, REALLY, WHAT HIS BACKGROUND WAS OR HIS PRECISE KNOWLEDGE OF LEVERS OF GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE OF HIS PROXIMITY TO PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE FACT THAT HE WANTS TO PURSUE THIS ONE CONSPIRACY THEORY MEANT THAT YOU GOT TO A POINT WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF HIMSELF WAS DISCUSSING THIS SERIOUSLY. >> THE NEW PIECE, AN IMPORTANT ONE IS ONLINE NOW F