Jason McCourty 1-On-1| Mr. Titan Show

McNair gives it to George running right up the middle touchdown tight there are no flags on the field it's a miracle safy now you're one-onone shows why he's the man in trouble [Music] ladies and gentlemen Titan Nation how's everyone doing today for the Mr Titan 101 we have a 13y 13 NFL vet Super Bowl champion former host of good morning football and on top of all the most important part the former Tennessee Titan we have Jason mccordi AKA JM how you doing man I'm doing good man appreciate you having me on I've never never turned on a chance to talk some football and have some fun well there you go this is this is the part where you can kind of just wind back talk a little bit about some tin football and most importantly uh the reason behind doing the interviews and stuff like that is that you know we like to know you know how our former players are doing especially one that's that was invested in and the team for so long and stuff and again a fan favorite so uh always like to to hear what's happening with you so again thank you so much for coming on bro no problem man no problem all right let's uh let's kind of dive into it again had some te technical difficulties a little bit earlier but we got this going um talking about you're from New York right you were born and raised in New York yep yep all right what part I grew up in Rockland County so uh grew up in New York and then went to high school in New Jersey and then went over to Ruckers in New Jersey so now I rep both States wherever I'm at so I'm a Northeast guy through and through but uh love my time uh in the South all three of my kids were born in Tennessee uh me and my wife she's from Jersey we met at school but we we got married in Tennessee and all of that so that became a second home for us cool cool uh I'm from I'm was born in C caucus so I okay yes I I know exactly I'm I'm in Texas now totally different it's a different VI and people don't get it though you know I I went from Jersey to Miami and then Miami to Texas and I we were talking about it my uh my supervisor is from New York and we're talking about how different the Chinese food is in the east coast it's it's completely different people don't understand it they really don't they're like what are you talking about it's I I don't I don't know what it is it's the Italian food and it's the Chinese food up north I haven't had good Chinese food since since like no doubt no doubt about it it's Chinese food is pizza and it's breakfast sandwiches breakfast sandwiches only happen in the Northeast where you go and you can get eggs made fresh and get whatever you like bacon sausage any of those things you leave the Northeast and you go somewhere it's to pre-made eggs and it's just a totally different experience so I 100% I'm right you have to be from this area to truly understand that statement oh 100% and and a lot of people like I said Miami I remember having Chinese food in Miami I just couldn't just couldn't get it right Texas they have a couple spots but again it's nothing is compared to to you know East Coast I think it's something in the water I don't know what it is Jason but whatever it is I can't wait I'm going back in September uh my mom's birthday she wants to go to New York and and hang out there okay that's the first thing I'm doing I'm I'm hitting up Chinese spot like you got to it's it's a must man I love that now growing up in New York and stuff and again you have your twin brother Devin and stuff um how was that growing up you know what sports did you guys play I know that you guys lost your dad in an early age and stuff and you know your mom took care of you guys how was all that growing up especially back then man for us a very normal uh and loving childhood as my twin brother Devon and we have an older brother Larry and um we had a ton of fun single mom mom ran the house uh she was a disciplinarian we knew uh whenever she was always going to have the last say me and Dev always used to our our biggest fights came one-on-one basketball in video games and my mom would always say if she gets involved she's going to be the one to end the fight so uh we were a family that we had everything we needed didn't have everything that we wanted or desired um but we didn't know that as kids we it was always a ton of families in our area we were always outside playing sports whether it was kickball whiffle ball basketball football tag capture the flag were always doing something and I think that kind of built the competitive nature up of Dev and myself that eventually got us to where we got to but uh we were big basketball and football guys we started playing football at the age of 10 because our older brother signed us up and he loved football and he was going to get us into it and that's what we played all the way through High School both basketball and football and then obviously when we got to Ruckers focusing on football getting scholarships and all of that but uh just a lot of fun and a lot of love in our household uh growing up a lot of discipline so I'm trying to I'm trying to Echo and follow the ways that my mom set for for me and my brothers growing up and now with three kids I'm trying to do the same thing in my household there you go man there you go were you uh you saying playing basketball were you were you a Knicks fan nope I was a I was an Orlando Magic fan growing up Penny Hardaway was my guy I was through and through Penny Hardaway Butch and uh and blue chips and all of that so I I grew up a magic fan and now just NBA fan like I just watched For the Love of the Game but yeah growing up big big Penny Hardway fan Penny Hardway they had like I said they had a they had a squad back then again I I was a big like I said Jersey the Knicks were were it you know the 90s Patrick Yan Charles Oakley you had that whole Squad that that was the team I would always represent I I loved it um going from from that on you know playing sports when did you start to really really come into being like hey you know football is going to be like once you got into college or was a little bit of high school like hey this this might be something that I'm looking forward to as a career man I think it wasn't until I was getting ready to come out probably my junior year that you realized that it could become a reality now don't get me wrong like I was good in Pop Warner like any other player that got to college football or professional ranks We're all good in Pop Warner and people were telling you how good you were in high school it was the same and I think we all had that dream and as long as you were having some success it was always a possibility but I think for me where it really became real was my junior year when some guys ahead of me uh got opportunities in the league whether it was undrafted or late round draft piics you look up and you're like damn I know I can play right alongside those guys so if they're getting that opportunity I know I'm GNA have my shot as long as I do what I have to do so I would say going into my senior year was just like man just keep your head down keep on uh Trucking along and when you look up you're going to be right where you want to be so for me coming out and knowing that I was going into the draft and I was going to be a late round draft piit but just getting the opportunity to go to Nashville and try to earn my keep uh I would say junior year was when it became like man I actually think I have a chance to do this and you at when the draft happened you didn't receive an invitation to the NFL combine right nah no no no invite to the combine uh um that was at the time it was it was it hurt you don't really understand yeah yeah you don't understand the process really so you're just thinking each step of the way like you got to check those boxes so all right I gotta do well my senor all right the agent start calling I have to figure out who my agent's gonna be all right Next Step where am I going to train all right once you start training The Next Step all right the combine invite and when that didn't happen it was just one of those things for me I was already know I was already going in knowing I was going to have to have a chip on my shoulder I was going to have to outwork people so it was just something else to add to the list of to go out there and prove people wrong and once I started training I always knew I could run so once I started seeing what my times were it was just a focus on prod day and I trained out in Chicago at a place called EFT and I had uh some great trainers uh that poured into me that when I didn't make it to the combine your training typically stopped in February and they made it happen that I stayed a whole extra month and stayed training there until my actual prod day at the end of March and I went out there and killed it and it was the only opport it was the only reason I got a chance to get drafted in the first place that was the Rucker uh probe day right yep yep and you you were alongside which is crazy it Kenny Brit right Kenny Britt was another person and that's that's wild to to see that did you have a relationship with Kenny um at that time or no yeah of course uh Kenny came in uh year after us and um we were the we were the guys on campus between my brother uh taekwon Underwood whenever we had a big time recruit com in we were the guys hosting the recruit so I hosted Kenny on his uh visit and Kenny was the same way as a uh as a bug eyed senior in high school as he was as a rookie in Tennessee and we built our relationship throughout and a lot of it was competition of our relationship of one-on ones in practice going against each other constantly every single day and he was the firstr Draft pick on 09 of the Tennessee Titans and when he got there our debut coach at the time Marcus Robertson went up to him and asked him about me and they were thinking about drafting me late and Kenny said go get him I'm the receiver I am because him and his brother whooping on me in practice and going against each other head-to-head every single day so uh yeah KB that's my guy we to play three years together in in college and then get a chance to play five years together in Tennessee then we got back together in Cleveland so we played a ton of our professional and college careers together as teammates that's pretty wild just to just to see how kind of that transition and like I mean it's like you never know what can happen right in life and that's that's pretty cool to to see that I think you're the like the only two guys from Rooker that actually do that I think you're you're also when you did your uh your for your your dash I think you were the fastest one right yeah no doubt about it he's like no doubt 100% right that's awesome man now after the draft then getting picked up by the Tennessee Titans um who was the first person you contact uh what was kind of that that transition from college to football and getting into the Tennessee Titans who was the first person you that you met man there was there was no firsters contact for me when you're when you're drafted at the end of the sixth round there is no like you see when guys get drafted whether it's JC leam this year or scony last year you usually see him come in on the private plane and the head coach is there the meeting and Amy Adam shrunk is there Ran's there when I got drafted like I was on a Southwest flight I remember seeing Gerald McGrath on my layover in Atlanta we got on the plane together there was no it was a totally different experience I just know the draft call you go through that process GM and fiser gets on the phone and all of that but there was no first point of contact you get there for rookie mini camp and stuff and you start trying to make a name for yourself with the Playbook and all of those different things so uh at that point I just remember it being kind of a whirlwind because everything just happens at once you get drafted you're fired up you're excited your family's happy for you oh you're going to be a Tennessee Titan and then reality hits and it's just like damn I gotta go to Nashville and make this team like I could be a Tennessee Titan for all of three months if I don't make the team after training camp so that's the it's such a different experience for different guys and you just you kind of get in where you fit in and you understand something for me one of my mentors when I got to Tennessee was Chris hope and he always used to say to me run your own race and that was something I learned early on because we got different offseason workouts Kenny was my roommate but me and Kenny were in two totally different bols Kenny's a first round draft pick I'm a six round draft pick so understanding there might be some things that he can do and get away with that if I do I'm out I'm out the door so um that's something that doesn't matter what year it was 2009 to the guys that are coming in now and 2024 that still applies you kind of got to know where you are and and what you need to do to be successful and run your own race that that that piece of advice that I got I think it echoes truly even today yeah 100% And you can tell by now nowadays right like you said like they get the plane they get the pictures taken you see the little video the Instagram they're coming out of the plane and back then it it wasn't like that it was it's more of like a like a showcase now right yeah well social media has made it that because even back then guys were still doing that and you'd see the press conferences and I remember even my brother got drafted and 2010 he was out on the field with the uh crafts as the owners and he's holding up the number one Jersey it's just now especially the Titans I give them a ton of credit social media team is Elite they do such a great job of cutting that stuff up because listen like that keeps the fans engage when you get a guy a JC leam this year and you know you need help on an offensive line and you're watching him at practice and he's moving whatever that machine is that they're hitting there driving the power and all of that when you're a Titans fan you see that you get fired up about it so I give them credit and that's to all 32 teams of realizing as times change you have to change and keep fans engaged and and do all of those little things uh to make the organization run 100% yeah I think I think it's I think her it's name is Big Bera right Bera or something some some a funny name but you made your professional uh regular season debut Titans opener against the Steelers um can you kind of do kind of like a quick rundown of basically that that whole day get leading up to the game and maybe your first play if you if you remember just anything about that that day man yeah um I was just on special team so there was the first play was a kickoff only play was a kickoff or a punt or a kickoff return um but I think the reality of when I first stepped out on the field of you look up in the stands and it's the realization of like I'm in the NFL and the probably the most memorable thing from that game was in college you get your four tickets a game and if you need more tickets you're hitting your teammates up some guys are from out of state they don't need any of their tickets so you're finding ways to get more of your family members when you get to the league you can get as many tickets you want you just pay for them so my first ever game is in Pittsburgh that's a drive away from my family so my mom my uncle my older brother I think my aunt different people all came out to the game so I hit up our ticket people I get tickets and give them to my mom and all that leave him at will call and my biggest thing was after the game my mom and my family was just like man we were all the way at the top of the stadium and as a rookie you have no idea where away tickets are and little did I know that the away tickets their families and everybody sit at the top of the stadium so that was probably the most memorable thing and as you go you learn that when you're playing those away games you got to go on the Rolodex go on the phone and find guys that are on that team you know and you buy your tickets from those guys so it was a learning experience in itself but um a really cool experience being there at that game probably my biggest memory was how how good uh Big Ben was Troy palalo had a one-hand interception in that game it was it was Inc just and obviously you're playing for the Titans you want to win but as a young rookie as a young pup like you're seeing some of your idols and Superstars out there on that football field that are making play after play uh which was really cool as a rookie was there anyone after that you really really wanted to meet that you were excited to go against maybe like in especially in your rookie year nah you know what's crazy I I talk to my brother about this all the time like now you see games and you see whether it's the Michael Parsons or whoever out there and they're doing the Jersey exchange and they're signing them and they're that like we didn't do that like that wasn't like a popular thing to do I never I don't think I exchanged jerseys it was probably like my ninth year in the league was the first year I ever did it and I was a little bit old school in the sense of like when I lost the game like yeah you would go shake hands and stuff like I didn't want anybody Jersey I didn't care about any of that uh but it I didn't meet or or think to meet anybody at that time for me it was just cool to be out there on the football field and it was almost bigger to me after spending those months in training camp with all of the guys on our football team of putting on the same Jersey as them and being on the same football field and different guys and veterans in that point having the trust in me to even be out there I think I was on like our prevent package late in the game and late in the first half and courland Finnigan gets an interception he's trying to return it like me being out there on the field on defense with those guys whether it was Nick Harper or courland finnean or Chris hul or Michael Griffin Keith Bullock for me Keith Bullock is from Rockland County so I grew up with the thought of thinking I could make it into the NFL because Keith Bullock did it and we all knew his name we all knew who he was so for me be in the same locker room be on the same field as Keith was insane so I'm looking at him and I'm just like how the hell am I out here on the same field as him so to me that was the the cooler thing at that time than even thinking about trying to meet like Troy palalo or big Ben or any of those guys Hines Ward that was on the other side of the field now did you since you guys were both from New York did you know you gravitate because I I've had a couple of Titan players even like I know I had BCA on and B said that how how Keith commanded that locker room presence that he was such a big key to that defense or just in general a team captain would would you say that about Keith oh Keith was the loudest person in the room no matter what room he walked into so 100% ke worked out in the weight room he was he was New York through and through he had on his Tims and red gloves every time he was in the weight room and 100% he talked the most trash at practice no matter who was a quarterback whether it was y or Carrie Collins he was going to be the loudest guy out there and people followed him and for me so when I first got there he always called me home team so definitely gravitated towards him but for me was like being around the DBS Vinnie Fuller courin finigan Chris hope who I mentioned uh Michael Griffin Rod Hood ended up coming towards the end of my rookie year when Rod Hood got there instantly he saw me and he would coach me up on every single thing I did just because I was a rookie so so it was instrumental for me to have those guys in my locker room but when I say I did everything Chris hope did what C hope used to get in the cold tub after practice so I got the cold tub he watched film with the DB coach so I watched film with the DB coach everything he did and David Thorton was there too well I used to just listen to those guys tell stories and courland finnean was a guy that I just watched and I tried to emulate as much as possible so I was lucky that I had guys RA in my DB room that their work ethic was UN match and they had already done the things that I wanted to accomplish Chris hope had won a Super Bowl already he had got paid by the Tennessee Titans I wanted those things courin finnean was a seventh round draft pick out of Sanford who got there earned his keep and got a second contract so those guys had done things that I got into the NFL and I wanted to accomplish so uh I had some really really good guys to look up to and learn from nice nice man again um solid group of guys that you just mentioned man they just been thinking about that and I mean having that uh DB group is is amazing again good players um is there any any player that you like going against that you kind of like you know for competition wise that you liked always playing or no not really it was just kind of next man up next man up well n playing in that Division I mean going against uh Andre Johnson every year and Andre Johnson whether it was Reggie Wayne Pierre Garson like when you're going against guys like that and I mean I played against Payton man in my rookie year it was the cold blue game I was like I think I remember what Sunday Night Football like Dallas Clark's out there all of those guys when you get a chance for me playing against those guys and then as it as it continue to go on DeAndre Hopkins comes into the division so um you can just go on and on Kevin Walters was on the other side when I was a young guy and courin finnean was following Andre I was on the other side going against Kevin so there was so many guys that uh you went against uh twice a year in that division that was so much fun I tell people all the time Pierre garon he was a guy that ran his routes hard blocked hard you knew when you played against him you had to go 100% every single play so it was a ton of respect to a lot of guys uh that were in that division that I look forward to playing week in and week out who is the best QB that you think you ever faced I mean I I think you're probably gonna go with Tom Brady right P Manning and it yeah and it's no slight to to Tom but um when you got to go against pton twice a year and he's in your division it his difference and I'm saying that with the fact that what's up little man that's what I'm talking about I'm saying that with the uh with the fact what's your name man say hi you're landed yeah go inside I'm telling you man it he always every time this is I'm in the garage and every time I mean he hears it he's he's going in and he'll just love that he's going to be hosting something uh sometime soon after watching what you're doing um but yeah 100% just so many uh different guys that learned from him so much fun to have and going against Payton was I remember when I first got there when it was Colts week and Payton Manning week we get like a packet distic of all the symbols that they had uh signals that they had assembled throughout the years and ways to beat them we had a totally different game plan where we'd wear wristbands and we changed wristbands at halftime and they all had a number on them one through six and our de Coordinator would just hold up a number on the sideline and you have to look at your wristband because if we signal Payton man would pick up on our signal it was like so much fear of just Payton Manning week that it was unbelievable and he got them in the right call every single time and I'm saying that my rookie year we lost to Tom Brady in Foxboro 59 to zero so I'm a ton of respect I had got a chance to be teammates with Tom you talk about greatness he is the greatest of all time but my time with the Titans playing against pton Mane uh was not fun at all you know what you're not the first defensive Titan that said that before jald mcra said the same thing Donnie Nikki same thing he yeah Donnie is a good people uh Bernard PA same thing it was it was always pain Manning it was always pain Manning I'm like damn like that's that's crazy that you know everyone has that you know he just knew the cadences he knew I know Donnie said said that you know you had to switch it up you couldn't show exactly what defense you had cuz he'll pick you apart real quick yeah we played him when he was in Denver and Michael Huff was a safety for Denver and obviously him and Griff were teammates at Texas uh for a while and won a lot of games there and they end up beating us 50 something to whatever in Denver and Griff's talking to Huff after the game he's like yeah after the first quarter like Payton knew every signal that you guys had and it was just a wrap after that he'd get to the line of scrimmage wait for the DB coach to give you guys a signal get them right in the perfect play and they were Off to the Races yeah you know it's funny thing uh mentioned I had Michael Griffin on and he almost said something similar that to the Patriots game and you he Michael Griffin said that you guys we didn't they didn't have the right equipment that game that the or the cleats and you guys were slipping everywhere and he was like yeah it it was it was terrible he was like it was it did it did it didn't matter what the hell we had on they were out there throwing flea flickers we didn't stand we didn't stand a chance in that game we got off the bus it was a wrap so that was a game I remember warming up in pregame where we had our shorts on well hoodies and all of that and it was a downpour just rain constantly we go in we change put our equipment on we come out for pregame and it's just a just snow all over the place so we were not ready for those elements it didn't matter what it was uh they beat the breaks off us that was that was like a real welcome to the NFL playing against we played against uh I played against Brady and Manning backto back as a rookie and courland finnean Nick Harper and Vinnie Fuller all got hurt it was a week or two prior to that so end up starting in those games I didn't think I was gonna make it in the NFL so uh it was a it was a a baptism by fire yeah that was that was rough man but uh talking about your years in Tennessee um you kind of went through nice uh change of command with with with coaches right you went from Jeff fiser Mike Munch Ken wiard Hunt and Mike Malarkey right um can you I guess go just a short summary on each of the coaching and what you liked and what you saw and the the the change of I guess tone in the locker room with each new coach that came in yeah well wild thing is to your point eight years there are four different head coaches three different general managers and when that stuff happens like each coach comes in they take everything off the wall they put the new signs up and it's just like all right like here we go again uh with fish fish was a players Coach man fish was gonna take care of your body uh the guys are going to be able to laugh fish had him and our our weight room coach Steve werson waterbug one of the best to ever do it man the pranks that they would pull on guys in the locker room a Thanksgiving prank that we used to do every year they used to prank a practice squad guy that he was going to the Pro Bowl every year like you were gonna have fun in that locker room with coach fiser and it was very much a player-led football team so my rookie year we start 0 and six and then we rattled off eight out of and that team had um Keith Bullock on it we had Kevin maw on it Kyle Vanos so we had so many veterans there that kind of paved way and set the tone the locker room and then that very next year all of those guys leave and it was completely different and we lacked that leadership and that wasn't kind of how fish got down and that was kind of the downfall of it all because we didn't have those veterans in the locker room that would tell a guy to shut up or would lead in that in that right and I thought when mun took over Munch uh Munch like Munch is my guy I loved Munch because Munch was a old line coach forever and he became a head coach and Munch was trying to do it the right way I think he saw what was going down obviously from Oilers to Titans throughout the years and I think he knew what it took but there was a lot of other circumstances to be able to figure it out and obviously we never throughout my years there we never got the quarterback to take us over the top and when you don't win games there's going to be constant change right there and I remember Munch last year there was with Jake Locker Jake was in his third or fourth year he already had multiple offensive coordinators they wanted much to change a coordinator again so it was a lot of stuff going on and then um wizard hunt comes in and wizard hunt was a guy that was a proven guy was in the Super Bowl in Arizona and he comes in with his system and I felt like the system he was trying to run we never had the guys to run his system and we never adapted to what we had so it just never worked and I think being in that locker room guys felt that way I think there was frustration probably from wizen hunt and his staff and it just never felt right um even as a player I think Bernard was with us that year we were both captains and we would sometimes leave and just like this ain't it like this isn't working like whiz is a good coach but for our team and what we had it just never clicked and I think when Malarkey took over Malarkey had success because I think he got a year and a half of watching everything that was transpiring with whiz I think Malarkey was a guy taking notes and it was just like all right like off the Span in that last year and a half I know exactly what we need to get better instantly and sucked for me of we got better in 2016 nine and seven missed the playoffs I end up getting released that very next year they end up making a playoffs and the team started to go in the right direction and then obviously when Vel came in he took it to another level but yeah you learned something um from from each coach and you figure it out as you go but going to New England and seeing just having the same thing for so many years and seeing how it can kind of come into place and make sense similar with Vel came in and that consistency and hopefully that continues to happen with Callahan of when you have that and you get the year after year to build you can really improve on those eight years of all the coaches and GM changes it's hard to really set a foundation and grow it yeah basically building a structure and going from there and continuing and continuing right I mean look at look look at the the Steelers you know T been there for how long so I mean it shows um 2017 right they released you after eight seasons um you rejected a pay cut how how did that go what they wanted you to stay for a certain amount or what if you want to talk if you don't want to you don't have to talk about it I'm oh no no I'm no I'm open but the league is a business was happened to me it happens to players every single day um yeah it was um that was that was that was tough um to the point I think every every player that plays any sport um your dream is to do what my brother did England 13 years 13 years with the Patriots if you can play with one organization and and finish your entire career there you feel like it's a story book ending and I remember in year seven um uh I was going into my last year after we finished that year and was trying to figure out right what are they going to do I have no more guaranteed money on my contract and you go into it and they're like oh I remember we I remember I knew the writing was on the wall when we were trying to get Logan Ryan to come in free agency and L's a Rucker guy I missed playing with him but we had trained together in offseason so I knew log well and the whole time we were trying to get him he ends up calling me towards the end of the process just to pick my brain on what it was like in in Tennessee and at that point like he was on the verge of coming so he was talking to me about like what it could be like and I said to him I'm like I remember I remember getting off the phone and telling my wife like yo was just talking to L and she was like so they're recruiting L to come here you know well and you're not a part of the process she was just like that's not looking too good for our time in Tennessee and I remember saying that to L like I'm probably not gonna be here just the way all of this thing shakes out um but that happened that was March a free agency and what pissed me off at the time the most about it was I wasn't released until about 10 days until the draft and that was the part that was the part that really suck because for any guy I think being released is gonna hurt but it is what it is it's a business you're not a hope and courland used to tell me all the time at some point this game's going to Humble you no matter who you are and that was my time I just wish it could have happened in March going into free agency so it would have at least given me a chance to maximize whatever my market was going to be because that was the toughest thing when I got released we had teams reach out and everybody was all right we'll wait we want to wait and see we're so close to the draft how everything shakes out and then once the draft happens you're waiting to see what each team has and end up signing with uh Cleveland that was probably towards the end of May they had some injuries to a draft pick um that they had a fourth rounder there and I end up signing there and obviously playing the season there before going to New England but yeah that was tough eight years and then it's the reality of it of you're there one day and the next day you got a big garbage bag and you're cleaning out your locker and you're moving on and for me Griff had got released or didn't sign back the year before Vern had left and free so like you understood Courtland I remember when he left and hope left so when you see it happening to guys around you you know you're not you're not you're not any different than him and it's prone to happen to you too so it was just my time I enjoyed the hell out of my eight years there and still have a lot of friends and and different people on the staff in that building uh that I love and talk to often when I'm in town yeah I think the organization handled things a lot differently back then compared to now where it's a little bit even though like you said it's a business side I understand it but I think um having it where there there's too many like ending bad relationships you know Griff I mean he talked to me about his story and now he kind of how they ended his contract and his career and stuff like that and it wasn't it just it's I guess a bad taste in in players mouths you know that they do instead of now I feel like it's a little bit more I guess professional I guess I I don't know I don't know how to and it's all part of it I think for all of us there's so much emotion involved so when you're in the thick of it like you're pissed and then as time goes on you just you you can take a step back and and take it for what it's worth even in my situation for them it was just all right well we're not going to release him until we probably feel like all right once Logan signed all right well now we feel like all right now our draft board is done right now we feel like we're goingon to draft they drafted to Dory Jackson in the first round that year so even when they came to me to ask me to take a pay cut it was a pay cut that they knew I wasn't going to take it it made no sense for me to take the pay cut and them telling me I'm going to be the fifth quarterback on the depth chart just like all right well you're not g to keep an eight-year vet Who's fifth on the dep TR You're Gonna Keep a young guy to play special team so it was one of those situations where like we want you to take a p but in reality like you're not going to take this we're going to release you and it's just time to move on so I think in the in the moment like you're pissed and you feel really bad and then as you step away you're just like yo it is what it is and you go I think you muted yourself I don't hear you I think you muted yourself there you go you you uh you muted yourself for a second so the last at the last maybe like 10 second Splurge I didn't hear anything oh no here we go to no I don't hear you still there you go hello why it keeps muting me yeah it was it was strange the last 10 seconds I didn't hear you let me see let me unplug this microphone no I didn't hear you again for I think I hear you now you hear me yes perfect you got me now yeah yeah perfect perfect perfect okay I'll just do it with this I don't know what the hell is going on no that's all right man uh going back to um after you know you went to Tennessee Browns and then you you know 2018 right you went to the New England Patriots everybody wants to know right the whole I guess Dynamic from like head to from the b top GM all the way down the structure the difference between that organization and how they handled things compared to Tennesse you always get that question especially for me leaving Cleveland where you don't win a single game then you win the Super Bowl and like well what's the big difference and every organization even you can compare the Kansas City Chiefs now to the New England when they were there winning for the past 20 years and two winning organizations are going to be completely different because a lot of it is ran by the head coach and Andy Reid and Bill bich both magnificent coaches do it in different ways and the biggest thing when I got to New England I saw was belich was the guy at the time that was running things and everybody moved in the same direction and it seemed really simple of just like yeah of course like any company that you have you have a CEO and everybody but I think when you get away from that and you have a head coach who's moving in One Direction but your defensive coordinator has ideas of what he thinks the team should look like so when he gets in front of the defense he's telling his guys one thing and then well the DB coach doesn't always agree with the defensive coordinator because he thinks when we run this coverage it should be ran that way when you have those little cracks within whether it's top or it's the bottom that's where you start to see things going in a different direction and that was probably the main thing I saw in New England where you had Bill who was had a huge hand in building the roster and then obviously coaching the team and things just seem to intertwine and go well together and I I tell people all the time what I give him a ton of credit for was he was good at building teams in regards to chemistry and personality fits of knowing exactly where they did a good job of keeping their nucleus on in that organization as times moved on they kept it Dante High Towers the Devon McCord's the Matthew Slaters the Edelman the groon those guys were signing the second and third contracts and yes some guys were leaving and they'd bring in just the right amount of veterans to come in and patch and piece it together and then have it kind of fulfilled with some of the draft picks and all of that for so long and it worked out and I felt like whether I was in Cleveland whether I was in Tennessee at the time you were trying to put that together where downstairs you may have a coach who's moving in this direction and say all right I think this guy's good at that position or here's a need we need we need a free safety and then you end up drafting a strong safety so now you're trying to Plug and Play and figure it out and sometimes it didn't always go together gotcha gotcha and you said that would probably be the main the main thing yeah because people look at it and I remember when I got to New England it was just like I remember seeing Chad Johnson Chad ooo at the Super Bowl in Atlanta and he was like man it was just too militant for me I couldn't get with it and for me it was the opposite like I came from Cleveland where Hugh Jackson had us showing up to every meeting where we had to have brown shorts on a gray shirt you had to be five minutes early to every meeting and we didn't win a single game because none of that translated on the field to X's and O's and outperforming and out executing your opponent where in New England you weren't late to if a meeting started at 8 no one was late until it was 8:01 you wore whatever the heck you wanted to meetings build didn't care what you had on at practice as long as you had on the proper equipment it was like when we get between the white lines do you know what you're supposed to do and can you get your job done like was it like it didn't care about any of the other things so you think it's going to be a certain way and for me and I don't know I was I was in my 10th Year by the time I got there I just wanted to win so it was just like all you want me to do is work hard and practice I can figure that out so everybody's experiences are different in different places and I say all I to say like my time in Tennessee we didn't win nearly as much as I would have liked to especially for the fans that were there in Tennessee but like I wouldn't give those eight years up for anything if I if I would have had it my way I would have played all 13 years as a Tennessee Titan 100% And like I said you're you're still to us you I mean you wear the two-tone blue you're going to wear it forever regardless I mean yes we're happy it's almost like a Derrick Henry S uh situ like the player did so well like you as a player were so good in Tennessee yeah the teams some had their moments right you know they weren't the greatest Tennessee Titans teams but we wanted to see you succeed so bad that hey if this means you going to another team hey go get your chip you deserve it same thing with Derrick Henry Derrick Henry leaving the Ravens hey if he can win a chip man he's still a Titans in my heart I mean this is you know personally speaking I have no ill will I Get It Go Get that's you know what you I appreciate it I appreciate I tell the biggest difference between me and derck Henry people loved me because I was decent on really bad teams derck Henry was Elite on elite team so there's a difference with it but a lot of love either way but talking about you know Le let's talk about playing you know with your brother you know several players have done that where they've been you know Brothers uh play on the team but you know you winning a Super Bowl ring all that let's let's talk about that two 2018 because I I've seen an interview with your mom and I remember her talking about how she had to divide right she had the Titans and then she had Patriots so now what' she do when you guys were both Patriots you guys just mccordi and just that's it we just she had the 30 and the 32 one on the front one on the back she had two jerseys she had a bedazzled and all of that um that was a dream come true I think you look at it and I remember what year was that whatever year Dev I think won the Super Bowl in 2015 so that off season Rustin Webster was our GM at the time and devb was a free agent and I remember dur it was during that legal tampering period and this was probably day two of it or whatever it was like towards the last hour I remember Rustin calls me about Dev and getting him to Tennessee and I'm like Dam he already narrowed it down the two teams and the offer that they they talking about to my agent I'm like we're way out of the ballpark but like that was like a glimpse of POS the possibility of playing together there was another year where um I guess that was 2015 where I was dealing with a little bit of a groin injury I miss games or whatever and during the trade deadline I think shefer had tweeted out that there was a possibility that the Patriots were looking to trade for me to go to New England and it was just like me and deor texting each other he's like no like people in the building are saying this is real it could possibly happen and I remember at that time it was just like Dam we might get a chance to play together and when all of those times failed then when I got released in 2017 to 2016 by the Titans that 2017 season the Patriots had reached out and we had talked to them but they had at that time they had already signed Stefon Gilmore to a big deal they had Eric Ro they had Jonathan Jones they had Malcolm Butler like they had plenty of corners and they were willing to they wanted to bring me in but it was just like for me personally at that time it made no sense to sign they just were too deep so after that 2017 Seas off season me and Deb were just like it's probably not GNA happen I was going into year nine he was in year eight like at that point it was just like and then for it to happen the off season after 2017 organically without us really doing anything and it happening in a trade uh it was really cool and just the way it went down I remember when in Cleveland at the time and Sashi Brown was the general manager who brought me in Andrew Barry was there at the time and we end up firing uh Sashi Brown Sashi Brown throughout the season and then John dorsy takes over I remember uh dorsy calls me and they had signed TJ Carry that went out and got some corners and he was like they were going to release me to give me a chance to you know get it a head start on free agency and all of those different things and it probably didn't help at the end of the season a year before I said how I felt in the media I was trying to get the heck up out of there and Dev calls me and he says to me um Welcome to the New England Patriots I'm like what the hell are you talking about and he had he had called text Bill and text Bill two McCord's are better than one and Bill calls him like 30 45 minutes later I was like we just traded for your brother we don't want to go through the free agency stuff we're just going to get him over here and doubt for us I mean you dream about doing that as a kid and it was a little bit of a roller coaster early on of making the team and all of those different things but in that first year to for me to make the playoffs for the first time and then get to a Super Bowl and actually win it and have family and my wife uh for her to be there with our three kids and my wife had been through it all the winless season the two and4 in Tennessee 3 and so to go through all of that and then finally get to the mountain top was really cool yeah that's again again I don't like the Patriots but I get it and I'm I'm happy for you like I said I'm happy for you it's like you know seeing someone you're like damn man unfortunately he he was just like the teams that he was with hopefully he can go get one when he you finally got it man it was it was nice it it was good because I felt like we won as fans of you were like damn like he got his ring there you go that's good but he's still he's still a Tennessee Titan I appreciate it he's still going to go in the of Fame The Ring of Honor for Tennessee Titans I'm just saying so but yeah man uh how how was it that game just did you you know being in the Super Bowl did was it like was it quick was it you know slow motion how was just that feeling just that of being actually playing the Super Bowl man it was every adjective you can think of awesome amazing Adrenaline Rush all of those things that you describe some of the best moments in your life the Super Bowl fit to Bild and it wasn't only Super Bowl Sunday it was the whole two weeks leadup um for me to never get to that point in the season like winning the AFC Championship game was unbelievable in Kansas City and I remember being in the locker room yelling to the guys like I finally got I finally earned my own way to the Super Bowl I've gone there that was going to be my fifth time and the four times prior I was a family member of Dev so all of that lead up to practices to still be playing football at that time of the year where everybody else is in Cancun on vacation watching the playoff games from the couch which I had done my entire career man it was truly truly a blessing and to go out there in that game and especially you get out there game day and there's every celebrity you can think of it's down there in pregame and you're seeing everybody throughout the course of the week and Atlanta and all of that and to playing that game and for me to play one of my best games in my career and make a big play in the game and have an impact man it was unbelievable and I remember my coach at the time there Josh Boer has said to us throughout That season was you want to be remembered the only reunions they have for teams is when you win a Super Bowl so if you guys want to do something special put everything else to the side and go out there and Achieve what this team is capable of and we were able to do that so it's just you have those bonds and those friendships no matter what team you're on hell I played with Griff for seven years it's one of my best friends uh from the National Football League Vern when you're able to do something with like that in the locker room with some of your best friends and get to that level man there's nothing like it definitely and that play was again that was a hell of a play if no one remers that uh it was a good a good uh good block man good block it how' you you feel in that game in that that moment that that moment because I think even Bill bich said it like that was the that was like the game defining moment right man when you're playing like you're not even thinking even in that play like I just get up and Jog back to the Huddle and you don't think about the moments and you stood that game was more of a defensive battle so you know it was a big play and obviously we blew the coverage on the front side so being able to get back there and make that play like you knew it was it was a big play in the game but um the biggest play for me was they miss a field goal late in the game and I'm jumping up and down and giving Dev a big hug was it was the moment we realized we won the game and it was just like you know you're in the game but it's just so different when the clocks hit zero and it's just like damn I just won the Super Bowl and the confettis fought falling and um just a surreal feeling I tell people all the time as amazing as it is that next week I remember going to a Celtics Lakers game Courtside we went to a Bruins game went down on the ice a Red Sox game where somebody threw out the first pitch and it was the game where grank uses the trophy to bunt the ball and all of that and that was all in the course of the next week after the Super Bowl and the week after that I'm doing school drop off and pickup and it goes right back to our normal life and Patriots fans are like all right when are we going to win number seven so it's such it's it's such a fleeting feeling because it's so cool and it's so awesome but just like that like you get back to reality you're just a husband you're just a dad so I tell people as amazing as it is you realize once you've done it like it's just your profession it's just a sport and it's it's something to being able to say I reached the highest level and I was The Ultimate Team game and I was able to achieve that but it's just like there's bigger things in life but it was still something really cool from a professional standpoint definitely man that's that's awesome again uh we're proud of you you know I can speak for fans how was uh Tom Brady how H how how was his his presence and just talking to him seeing him every day practicing and going against him Tom is the man um I first met him that was the Super Bowl my brother so my second year in the league my brother goes no my third year Deb went to the Super Bowl his second year and his different in family day and Tom comes up to me he's like hey what's up man I'm Tom Brady man uh congrats man really like watching you play I'm like Tom you ain't watching me play but it was so cool because it was Tom Brady and then you get in the locker room and the ultimate competitor like we're cursing everybody's the defense is cursing Tom out on the sideline he's cursing you out on the sideline and he was literally great he embodied greatness just every single day with how he worked and how he competed in practice and it was just so cool to be around because the way you watched him and you thought of him it was opposite when you got in the locker room like he was just one of the guys like jwes would be cracking on him because of his old man shoes or old man jeans he'd be playing cornhole in there with Brian horer if you needed you having a charity event you need something sign you ask him he do it in a heartbeat so he was just a really good dude and I think that was really cool and it helped that organization in that team because when people got there and for one you see Tom Brady the best player in the National Football League out working the guys in his locker room but then he's also just one of the guys you can go up to him and bust his chops and just be just be normal around him I think it made it really cool so I tell people all the time man awesome dude love playing uh with them love playing against them because it brings out the best in you as well um so he he deserves everything he gets uh these past two days was out there as he got inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame and it was even cooler to see because throughout the years of going to the Super Bowl as a family member I would see his mom and dad and sisters and everybody and to be there and talking to his family about all the years and the games and all of that man it was really cool just to see him in that light and to see everybody there celebrating them nice man nice um then after after the Patriots right you went to the I think you Dolphins right yeah my last year in Miami last year it was in Miami and then after that when did you did you know when it was time did you like was there times where you're like no I still want to continue playing you still had love for the game or did you kind of you kind of knew and had uh had other thoughts on the SEC your your second career yeah it's it's never I won't it's not an easy decision for anybody I think it was a countdown for me like once I left Tennessee I I thought about retiring when I left Tennessee when I got to Cleveland just because and that's anybody in life like change is difficult when you're in it when you're in the thick of it and I had only played for the Titans at the time so you know you you know the system but bigger than that like I could walk in the building in Tennessee and I knew the people that clean the locker room I knew all the uh people in the kitchen that was cooking the food the training room the equipment staff like you had deep relationships with everybody in the building and then you walk into a new building you don't know anybody so it takes time so for me it was almost a countdown and then had a good year in Cleveland all right I can still do this and then obviously kind of reignited when I played with my brother but that last year in Miami I ended up tearing my list from rank in my foot and I knew when I limped off the field that day that that was probably going to be my last play in the National Football League because I knew mentally physically I didn't have it to do another major rehab I think I convinced myself that it was still up in the air because I was trying to get the most out of my rehab just for the longevity of my foot to be able to continue to beat my kids in races and all of that stuff but I knew at that point like when I got injured that last year like that was it because when I got to Miami that last year I had already DEC decided that the Dolphins was going to be the last organization I played for just because I wasn't going to move my family again my daughter had already done second grade in Massachusetts third grade in Miami and I knew if I moved again it was going to be the last move and we eventually moved back to Jersey but for her that was three schools in three different states uh three consecutive years so that's the aspect of the game that and I'm not complaining because I got the chance to chase a dream and a a great job and you're paid well and all of those things but those are the Dynamics that they're like all right like I've done this long enough yeah definitely uh then we move on after after your career is over did did you ever think about doing broadcast because a lot of people like to go especially you know players they like to go to you know coaching you know high school and they go back to college and do that what how how did you land the BR broadcasting thing yeah well um I guess it was always something I was somewhat interested in and I won't say broadcasting itself but uh I liked talking the game I liked being around it I didn't mind being interviewed Devon and myself hosted like an offseason of uh first take one episode back in like 2015 then we got together in New England we started on podcast there was a point in Tennessee where I hosted my own radio show so I've always kind of dabbled in it but when we did our podcast the last four years of our career at that time we were like all right let's just do this and see if anything comes of it and then my last year playing NFL puts on a broadcast boot camp and I did that in April after my last year and at that point I hadn't fully decided I was done with football and coming out of the boot camp ended up with three different job offers and it was just like yep it's probably time to retire like I have something to step into and that's how it started I'm talk to NFL Network at the boot camp ended up auditioning for good morning football uh after that and once they selected me for it um went on and took that job and then was calling games on the radio uh for Westwood One my first year being retired so so I retired one week and accepted a job the next week and was fully in and over the course of the last two years I've fallen in love with it so obviously good morning football has moved out to the West that's taking care of itself and looking forward to doing more probably games with possibly games with CBS and doing all of that but yeah the broadcasting stuff has been a lot of fun it gives me a chance to still be around the games and not let wins and losses Define me but just continue to work on my craft and try to get better and be entertaining and informative to fans yeah that that was one thing that was cool because I feel like good good morning um football was like the only kind of uh media outlet for like that would actually somewhat talk about the Titan sometimes and it wasn't usually negative you know so it was nice and then you hear that you know you're going to join the show you're like all right we got one in there like we're definitely going to hear about Titan stuff and don't get me wrong I mean you had people talk about the titans this and that but again you know being in Tennessee we we the media overlooks us and stuff like that but just to have one of our own in in the spot we're like damn that's what's up that's what we we're gonna get some Titans talk and again you backed up the Titans and everything and you did a fantastic job man like I said I loved you on on the show man no I appreciate it yeah I'm I mean I always keep close watch I I prided myself on that as a former player on the team of trying to tap in and playing in a small market for a majority of my career so I understood it is different for the Titans you got to win when you're in a smaller Market to get everybody to talk about you and Jacksonville is the same there's multiple teams like that that are a smaller Market team don't have the same impact of a Dallas Cowboys or New England Patriots and it just is what it is but our show obviously being NFL Network you tried to hit on all 32 franchises as much as possible but you also understand like it's TV and you need viewership and all of those different things but uh yeah I loved I loved being on the show a ton of fun some great people to work with so you did something uh the 2023 draft you uh first of all that was amazing if every no one's seen it I you pick we picked Taj Spears I think you were announcing that you went on a nice little tangent and kind of cooked did a little roast of your own of the AFC South and man what possess you to do that it was again it was excellent it was like probably the non it was like probably the nonathletic thing I've gotten hyped over it was almost like watching like like a speech I was like let's go I was just like so hyped when you were just going in on Jacksonville and Houston what yeah I would blame Kyle Brandt for that um I I got the chance and found out I was going to be doing that I was talking to him and Jamie and Peter and our breaks and stuff on the show and the day I was leaving to go out there Kyle says me it's just like like so what are you going to do for for the pick and I'm like just gonna call the name and he just like you you can't just call the name he was just like that's why they select us to do it like Kyle had did it the year before for the bills and he killed it like the chicken went he absolutely killed it it was awesome and it was just like listen like it's going to be it's a later round draft pick like it's the time of the draft where it gets a little dull like Roger Goodell is going to be in there he wants you to go out there and say something and entertain everybody so literally when I got on the plane I put took out my laptop and started thinking about what are some things I can come up with and that's how it came the two hours flight from New York to Kansas City is where I came up with what I wanted to say and thought about it and came up with it and then went out there and just did my best to land the plane so it was a lot of fun and um I think everybody understands like it's all fun like I have no beef with any team in AFC South I threw shots at uh momes and Kelsey and the Chiefs and they're barbecue in Kansas City so yeah it was all fun and uh if I ever get an opportunity to do it again I'd probably do the same so blast my kids now watch the video on YouTube and they think it was entertaining as well so I got I got cool points as a dad so it was all worth it definitely man again with the Houston Oilers drip you had the the oil yeah telling the H the fans of I got Eddie George and the coolest thing about it is when I got off the stage Rand carthon and Amy Adam shun facetimed me and they were through the roof and and thrilled and so happy so that was really cool for me uh just to get that love from them and the fact that they appreciated it that's what's up man that's what's up all right before I let you go because I I've been taking too much of your time and I know you're a busy man uh we like to do something it's uh fan entertainment okay I like to try to get the fans they ask questions through Twitter I do a little poll and they have some questions for you after the questions then you're good to go man like I said to hold you on more okay and they have some good questions all right we have now if there's a question that we kind of went over we talked about it we can just kind of skip or just be like you know I said this and that just yeah yeah beat it like a dead horse all right um well he said what was it like to finally get to play with your brother already talked about that um Kelly Bean wants to know what was the process like to learn how to do uh on camera broadcasting and I think we we kind of covered that a little bit about yeah more thrown into the fire like there's no like training my audition was my training and it's like you sink or swim so you get out there and you figure it out you watch the people I watch the other people on the desk Jamie Peter and Kyle you learn from them as you go and I would say the main ingredient is be yourself and have fun definitely definitely Colton uh wants to know what is his all-time favorite moment as a Titan oh wow alltime favorite moment man I would probably say my first career interception um against the New York Giants at home I mean not at home at home for me at MetLife Stadium ton of family in the stands um that was really cool just to to get that moment and it was just like the realization of just like damn I'm in the NFL uh that was awesome to be a part of because we didn't have the type of team success that I would have hoped and I would probably say um other than that there's a picture of sitting on the bench it was my third year and I'm sitting with like courland finnean SE hope and uh and uh and Michael Griffin and those were the guys that taught me the game and just that moment of we all kind of realized that that was the last time we were all going to get a chance to play together and that was that was really cool too okay Michael H Michael wants to know which one of the position coaches while with the Tennessee Titans was a guy you could lean on but also learn from position coaches man there was a lot of a lot of really good ones I'll start out and say my rookie year having uh Marcus Robertson who was a Oiler free safety himself one of the greats uh having him to learn from and it was something special because he drafted me so he was a guy that went in the film room and and liked what he saw and took a chance uh to get me to Tennessee and it's crazy CU I called games last year for CBS gu in the first ever NFL game I did was Titans versus Saints and Mark R was the DB coach for the Saints uh so it was it was dope being out there in pregame talking to him just the way my career went and the success I had and he was a guy sixmile draft pick and then the special teams coach for the Saints was a guy Darren Rizzy who drafted who recruited me two Ruckers as a young kid coming out of high school so that was kind of a full circle moment yeah and one room to have both of those guys so I would say Mark Rob um just the fact that he took a chance on me and brought me in but a lot of really good uh especially DB coaches Brett Maxie Steve Brown and different guys uh while I was with the Tennessee Titans nice man all right so we have three more questions that's it we have tit Titans F fanatic wants to know what were some of the difference between coach Fischer And bichi in regards to how they do things as far as daytoday such as practices daily routines uh night before games as well as game game game time routines well I mean fish and and and Bill a to to like there there are no similarities between those two like people literally describe fish as a players players coach like that is not how you're ever going to describe Bill bich like fish is a guy that you may be down there on a Friday night and you grab a beer with with fish because he's out chilling just as well that's not bill so there's no similarities when it comes to stuff like that with fish my first two years I think we wore our pants in practice like full pads two times that's including training camp in the entire season like fish just took care of your body you never wore full pads with Bill anytime you could wear full pads the team was going to be decked out in full pads that's just the way he did his thing um as far as like routines and stuff the crazy thing is the NFL is the NFL every team I was on Wednesday was first and second down Thursday was third down Friday was Red Zone uh and two minute stuff so a lot of those things remain the same when I was with wizen hunt he changed it up and Hugh Jackson changed it up where they had Saturday Friday was more of a walkthr and Saturday you kind of put your helmet and cleats on which I hated hated that full uh full disclosure but um that stuff was the same and then uh ingame stuff is just there are like each coach is different and each game situation is so different every coach goes over it and and focuses on it and goes situations and all of that I will say there was nobody better than and Bill bich and the Patriots of just how they hammered it home of you knew exactly when you got in situations you knew what the call was going to be you know what the coaches were thinking because we just went over it Time After Time After Time so he was Elite when it came to that um but just to throw another guy in there dick Lao was one of my favorite coaches that guy was just unbelievable didn't yell straight teacher um one of the best coaches I ever had and then Greg William was a guy who was completely opposite of he was yelling and cursing you out constantly and then on game day he was the most he was the quietest coach on the football field because he believed in chaos all week and then on Sunday you just let the guys go play so lucky for me you play 13 years you get a lot of different coaches with a lot of different personalities interesting interesting I like that um Ryan wants to know what's a funny story what's a funny story from locker room or behind the scenes I guess I mean I think it could be I think we're trying to shoot for the Titans any uh Locker or anything any Shenanigans behind the scenes I'll say I started was there any what's it called like hazing back in the day no of course uh and what was different when I was a rookie like like you were allowed to do it it wasn't like anything crazy but I remember uh our rookie year at the end of training camp the Vets give you a list of stuff that you got to by we had to get milk eggs Gatorade bird seed flour sugar all types of mustard random stuff like what the having a barbecue and you come in that day and like all the media is there it's recorded like Fisher's leading it and all the rookie and first year employees trainers interns everybody you line up on the goal line you had to like run spin on a bat run some more spin on the bat and all the way at to like 50 yard line we all the veterans and they're throwing Gatorade at you all the stuff you bought bird seed flour all type of stuff thrown pegging you with it and then you got to spin around get all dizzy and run back so it was it was crazy but everybody's recording this like it wasn't like hidden or anything it was a part of being rookies and a part of your initiation in Tennessee uh God Rest his soul Rob Bonas every year in training camp would take all the rookie stuff all your clothes your sneakers now he would take your car keys your phone and stuff out your pockets but in our cold tub obviously he's freezing but there was like a ledge around of it for guys to sit on while you're in it just like a hot tub or anything you sit and rest and he would stuff all of our clothes underneath that and you'd have to dive into the cold tub to get all of your stuff out so that was the rookie stuff but I would probably say beyond that was every year Thanksgiving they were when fish was there they would prank and then Munch carried it on they would pranked the rookies where they would say Kroger was giving everybody a free turkey to say thank you for the sponsorship and all of that and the rookies had to go pick the turkeys up and you had to deliver them somewhere or bring them back to the facility and every year the rookies would go you get your turkey and you're carrying it around and you'd get back to the facility and every Everybody in the facility was in on it trainers everybody and you'd get there and they tell you to open up the box and it was literally a bag of ice with foil wrapped around and everybody was going out and you're think you're getting people had giving their turkeys away their families that they saw in the grocery store and everything and what the coolest thing about it wasn't like the craziest prank the coolest thing about it was the Prank Went back for years and there would be a video at the end when they would record all of us opening it up with the dumb music playing in the background of you all looking like idiots and they would have it all recorded all the way from my rookie year to Keith Bullock's rookie year and they had different people that they would interview and ask him about it at the time people that still thought it was real and everybody was ratting each other out so it was fiser did a really good job of stuff like that of bringing the team together and laugh having a good time nice all right and our final question comes from David wonder he wants to know how do you feel about the projection of this new Titans team what do you like the most about our new pieces and the new era of Titans football and how do you feel well that's another question but go ahead I'm excited um I'm a DB so you you you getting an off season and you go out there and you get one of the best DBS one of the best corners last year on leg jerus sne to go and then you get Cheeto Bay aier from Cincinnati like you're getting Corners that played manto man uh and aier was coming off he had the ACL then he played last year and he was healthy so this next year I expect him to get back to form where he was where he was almost playing at an all pro level the year before like I started like lerne was one of my favorite DBS to watch last year not because not only because he was good but because of the way he competed like we watched them match up with the best receiver week after week and then Roger mcquery in the slot and as fun as those three guys are on the defensive side of the ball when you flip over who they're going to be defending every day in practice and you get a guy like Calvin Ridley and you got DeAndre Hopkins on the outside and they got Boyd from Cincinnati as well and then hoping that tayum Burks continues to come along and continues to get better with some veterans in front of you um it's a lot to be excited for and then obviously you draft a guy like will Levis and you go out and you get Callahan a guy that worked with Joe burrow and got Jake Browning right last year when burrow went down with an injury you're hoping he's able to have some of that same magic showing up aside of the offensive line with draft piit since Ki and L so there's a lot to be excited for when you have a young nucleus in the right mix of veterans and now it's about putting it on paper and there's going to be a ton of pressure you obviously on will Levis because he's the guy that has to go out there and prove himself but I think when you draft these guys and you surround them with the right support staff and all of those different things uh there's a lot to be excited for so I'm hoping this team can continue to put it together um I can't wait for Titans to get their Super Bowl and when they're having a lot of success I'll be their biggest fan in their corner so uh definitely a lot to be excited for this is just my personal question I I just do you think it was a mistake of firing Ravel do you think it was a good decision what do you think of uh I look at it and I'm not gonna say whether it's good or bad because whether it was good or bad whether it was good or bad it'll be determined of what the team looks like in the next in the next few years if Callahan goes out there and the team has a ton of success then I'll tell you it was a good decision if he doesn't then it was a bad decision you can't take away from the success that Mike Rabel had as a head coach so we'd all be kidding ourselves if we say oh 100% it was a great just like Vel got to the Tennessee Titans and he won football games it was an AFC Championship game so you have to give him Credit in the way he took over and ran that team so um time will tell of whether it was or wasn't I'll say it was a surprise and I think that's the thing that you look at bill bich then Moving On hiring Mayo like it goes so far beyond just winning games as an next and those there's a lot of Personality fits and chemistry that has to go on upstairs between GM between team president between head coach between ownership that we don't always we're not always privy to I was in Miami when um Brian Flores had back-to-back winning seasons for the first time in like 20 years in in Miami and then he's fired and Mike McDaniel comes in everybody when Flo gets fired like what the hell like this guy's actually had success in the last two years but there's the relationships that we don't see when those aren't flourishing it's not going to continue to get better it's only going to go downhill so teams move in different ways and you know Flo was a hell of a coach because he goes to Minnesota the next year and takes one of the worst defenses in the league and makes him one of the best defenses in the league with the Vikings but you also know for the Dolphins they feel like well we got our guy because Mike McDaniel comes in there and takes the Dolphins over and he does really well with two and the crew so that's all a part of it in this business like when you don't have all the information you can from the outside looking in I say no it's a bad decision Freo was successful you give him a year you figure it out and you go but I look at what Rand carthon's been able to do and he's had some success early on and the players he's been able to get and the team he's in subl and so Callahan gets in there you hire a guy like Callan and from a fans perspective because that's all I am at this point you're like well this makes a lot of sense this is an offensive coach it's a guy that coach a good quarterback and Joe burrow and when Joe burrow gets hurt this team still has success on offense I know Zack Taylor called a play but he's a guy that was in the room with the quarterbacks a ton so it makes sense and now it's just a matter of time if it had it's a production league and the NFL you gotta win football game so that's what it comes down to all right well Jason I want to say first of all thank you so much it's been a pleasure to have you on it's been a pleasure to watch you uh your throughout your whole career like I said uh people in Nashville you're still a TI fan you're still a Titans player a legend in our eyes and we appreciate everything that you've done all the sacrifices that you've done too so uh just wish you nothing but happiness man and keep doing what you're doing man we're we're like I said we're proud of you hey man appreciate you saying that thanks for having me on man God bless