WVU Hoops roster concerns, recruiting camp insight and more

on welcome back welcome in this is country roads confidential at ears sports.com a Paramount podcast I am Mike cazza joined by Chris Anderson kind of a getaway day for me Chris I'm leaving you all by yourself not all by yourself you'll have you'll have Andre around as well too to put out the fires that are sure to pop up here and boy do we have one that we want to get into today a couple of topics to discuss before I leave town and before the world continues to spin around here a lot of stuff still happen in football basketball baseball beginning the postseason intimidating exciting I don't know pick your own word but it's going to be eventful too and a couple of pretty obvious topics that have been on that front burner for a while they remain there Chris and we kind of asked some people hey what can we talk about before we don't talk again for quite some time um predictable with some topics however with the predictable topics comes an unpredictable development Chris tell me about Javon small so you'll notice if you go through the the commitment lists you go through them and look at the transfer commitments it's hey you know ccer Harris commits on April 21st announced as signed by the school on April 22nd same with hansbury same with a few other guys you go through and wait wait wait wait wait Javon small committed on May 1 today checking my calendar here May 20th Mike have you seen a press relas release come through that Javon small has signed with WVU but I saw a tweet Chris I saw gifts isn't that official it's not official enough apparently especially with transfers so not in yet not official yet people you know fans on our board have been asking hey what's going on hey what's going on last night I get a message out in Kansas get a message from back in Tennessee actually I think Travis is out on the road right now for some of the big basketball camps but two messages similar stories similar comments that Javon small who is currently verbally committed to West Virginia may or may not be going on a visit to Kansas Kansas may or may not be trying to swoop back in and steal him away from WVU and then posted to our board he may or may not be visiting West Virginia instead seems to be kind of all over the place kind of poked around as much as possible given the topic and the situation you know with the new coaching staff and everything and it's it's a lot to take in it's kind of because in morgant town it's a no no no he's he's going to come visit everything's going to be fine academic calendar this G to show up or sign L Kansas and everywhere else keep an eye on it I'm hearing this keep an eye on it I'm hearing this and whenever everyone else is saying keep an eye on something and WW is trying to downplay it you get a little concerned Mike it if Javon small goes somewhere else how big of a deal does this end up being oh man I mean this is their apart from Tucker debris this is their big get right yeah um I wonder if he goes to Kansas and somebody Whispers in his ear about great Joseph yufu is just you don't want to mess with him guy's nasty you're not gonna play yufu Bad News man you don't want to be there come here it was too easy here for y sufu so it'll fit in for you Javon small I wonder if that happens it's a big deal Chris this is your your combo guard who's actually a point guard size skill in the in the back court I don't mean like combo guard is a point guard but like he has the ability to also play point guard and score and frequently if you're familiar with some of the Bob Huggin teams they've tried to shoehorn that combo guard in and famously it worked Javon Carter it hasn't worked so well other people kind of a frustration at times but this is a guy who's long and big and um maybe not the best defender but certainly his offensive mind and he can engineer an offense a little bit in the past he has at two different levels Oklahoma State and then e Carolina before that and again this was not physically their biggest get and even you know qualitatively not their biggest get because of Tucker but apart from that I mean it it did a lot of things they wanted to do and then if I had the sequence of events right Chris Eduardo Andre committed before and then we were told yeah Javon small is gonna happen and then within like 36 hours Javon small happened um I'm not sure what that does the apple cart there but that's just how certain West Virginia was and people around it felt about this and for that to be kind of upended right now potentially with so much time having passed and what a difficult position to prioritize and then effectively recruit that would be a negative in and I mean obviously the biggest negative the other thing I think about Chris is is it is it the only negative so far in this roster building the turnover I get that that's a negative in general not sure how much um milk was spilled there and that you would you would really offer tears over but apart from that like not a lot of like guys who visited a whip like Aon Wright and Conor enri were here ended up somewhere else I was surprised they got away and didn't commit but then I was not surprised that they ended up committing to like depal and North Texas instead of West Virginia um so yeah that's surprising I wouldn't call that a negative this would be a big negative and I guess my question then would be is it is it so far the only one never mind the biggest one but how many other negatives are in this conversation a really complex involved and lengthy roster rebuild are you stressing so far because and I'm I'm ducking here I'm ducking I if anybody's watching this video because yes suu has also not signed yet and it's been over a week I um this Twitter this Twitter thing and spiking the football with Graphics it it doesn't always go wrong it infrequently goes wrong it does happen though where football teams basketball teams I'm sure soccer teams volleyball teams ice hockey teams have a little bit of premature exuberance about these things and it gets people worked up about it too and I can remember oh I don't know Chris 10 years ago we like he didn't really have transfers period but also commitments I don't know before like the maybe it's our fault maybe it's 247 but people really wantan to people really want to party before the party and sometimes it get you into spots like this so now I mean yeah you you'd have to look at this and say that's odd why hasn't y suu signed then you start going down the list like wait a minute I haven't seen you know this from this person every time it happens and I don't know it's just one of those things as a fan would You' like to have that you know 15 20 minutes of anticipation before a player commits once a coach has that gif out right that's kind of a fun time on Twitter typically late at night probably feel a lot better if you saw the press release in the email with a sign grant and aid not the way works anymore though and and especially with transfers you know with high school recruits yeah theyve verbally commit they stay verbally committed for a long time usually and then there's national Signing Day and they sign actual paperwork that binds them to the school weeks and sometimes months before they ever actually enroll with transfers there's no need for that there is no letter of intent it's simply signing the paperwork as they're enrolling like the actual paperwork that you will actually not even enroll me and and which has has caused some issues with some reports over the years where people say hey so and so has enrolled at this school you know what these transfers especially guys that are hey you know I got to make a decision in the next week and get to a school in the next week they will quote unquote enroll at several schools they will go through the admissions process to make sure all of that paperwork is done but not sign the financial aid paperwork that gives them the scholarship and binds them to the school until sometimes quite literally the day they were about to enroll so the transfer stuff can really take it up right up to the the the deadest of deadlines like you know right at the last second and so some of these transfers you're not going to see do anything until they get in with small these next 72 hours are big and I say that or 48 today is May 20th Monday May 20th it is uh 9:30 in the morning on the East Coast the Dead period for basketball starts May 22nd at that Point even transfers are no longer allowed to go visit schools you can finish your visit on May 22nd so if somebody starts a visit today they can leave on the 22nd and still be talk spoken with and everything like that but once you get to that point it's over that's done that there's no more uh visits until is it a couple more week it's a couple weeks of that Dead period but by that point you're hoping your transfers are enrolled at school because the other transfers and even some of the high school kids uh I think Jonathan Powell also told me that he would be in Morgantown around June 1st yeah so that'll be during the Dead period so if West Virginia can make it the next 48 hours if they can be the one that gets him on campus instead of Campus uh instead of Kansas right before this Dead period I think Mountaineer fans can feel a little bit better about it and and hopes that he just actually ends up signing can give you a little bit more of a brown paper bag for people to use too um Oklahoma State's finals week is May 6 through 10 the grades were due Wednesday last week Chris and then your final grades on transcripts are to be posted on Friday the 17th um postgraduate transfers that doesn't even matter anymore so it's not like you need that however you'd like to know that you actually have the numbers that can translate from one school to another you have the progress toward graduation the GPA you're eligible Lord knows West Virginia does not want a player to come to West Virginia and not be available to play was frustrating before why do that again so there is there are some procedural academic things that actually do sometimes stand in the way of athletic progress that's the break sometimes too so looking at the calendar here it's it's one of those situations where you're saying could this be an academic thing not like he's got bad academics but you just have to cross out check whatever you want to say certain things well what that calender look like it look a lot like this where the grades aren't doe until the 15th they're not posted on the transcript until the 17th and here we are Chris on the 20th um that might make some sense too however it's more concerning that a possible visit to another big 12 school stands as an obstacle as well yeah I I cannot remember for the life of me the actual numbers on this so I'm not going to even start saying them but to your point about the academics like when somebody says in regards to transfers like hey they got to get the academics in order hey they got to get the academics in order it's not that are failing at their previous school or anything like that it is God what I'm trying to remember who it was there was a cornerback a transfer cornerback that West Virginia was recruiting had up on a visit um and I think his last name was Newton he ended up at Kansas State or TCU and I'm I'm blanking right now but Josh Newton there you go and he was supposed to like West Virginia wanted him problem was he came up to West Virginia and the way the the credits were going to transfer and how it's going to work because West Virginia and many other schools require that you take a certain number of credits to finish out in order to get your degree from West Virginia you can't show up and only take you know one three-hour course and get your a West Virginia degree so um he was showing up and say he was again I'm throwing out numbers here just as an example you know you need 120 hours to graduate he was at 115 and then West Virginia was basically going to ask him to go back to 90 and retake extra classes in order to graduate from WBU and that was a big reason why he did not end up at West Virginia um West Virginia is not alone in that that happens a lot of places at all just kind of depends on how things line up with your with your credits and what transfers and what transfers where so maybe that's coming into play with small again this is when people say academics that's what they're talking about not that he's failing his courses you know miserably something Chris my phone right now is very interesting um this is starting to get out a little bit people are starting to talk about it and suddenly after days of Silence phones are working so yeah F good to know um a lot of like we should talk things so should continue all right well should we talk about something else then and we'll Circle back on that later well let's let's let's stick to our brand here Chris Panic meter okay it's a setback it's hard to back fill this one if if this does go somewhere else however man you pull Javon small right now man the momentum is that meter is broken you got great things going in your direction so everything you said about this being a really important period of time I think you said 72 hours um there's a lot in the line for for Myriad reasons and by no means would this derail the de debut first season the get in to know you phase honeymoon period whatever you want to say if it doesn't go well like if you don't get jaon small you don't pop a balloon and say bad idea if you do get it right now in spite of despite whatever is happening right now I I think you can you can kind of plant a flag and say okay things are going to be good again not broken and not fixed based on what happens here but it does feel like that it's it's right there no it could go either way but you'd feel really good if through whatever real or or fabricated angst exists right now exaggerated or realistic if they if they can pull this off and get him sign or visit and then sign man what a what a what a feet on the desk kind of a moment where he'd say yeah this is this is good this feels good Los small is a known quantity a known commodity I think is we're we're getting at here so if you if you have him that helps in a big way if you lose him may not be the end of the world you have other options there are other guys in the portal there are other guards that West Virginia has contacted um there's just not a known commodity quite like small out there at least not available anymore um you know and then you look at a guy like yufu again who has not signed I'm not trying to jinx it just pointing out also has not signed um but hey the big thing when he committed it was like Hey this guy has been a career backup and we said right from the beginning you can't sign 13 starters 13 transfers tell them they're all going to start you need guys who can fill the different roles and when yufu committed it was hey this is great this is a guy who knows how to come off the bench who knows how to be productive Off the Bench if Small's gone now you got to talk yourself into hey you know Kansas wanted yes sufu for a reason now it's time for him to shine he could be a starter and that's not wildly unreasonable to start trying to talk yourself into that or think that that is a potential move or a potential answer there it's just not as comfortable as as sure of a thing as adding a Javon small then you just get on Google and you Google like did aen right sign with North Texas and you just try to figure out like maybe guys who you were with before if this happened to you could have happened somewhere else hasn't happened somewhere else and I wonder how how deep they go in the recruiting process here and do you make sure they cross the finish line but also then like you know actually sign everything and submit everything or is somebody available that maybe you thought wasn't layers to this Chris aan Wright has simor Texas by the way I'm not throwing that out there but he actually has signed okay um all right so then the next the next thing that was thrown our direction to discuss during this podcast it it almost turned into a Q&A with the way people kind of flooded that thread but I think it's better to do it this way because there were several questions about filling out the rest of the roster obviously if Javon small is out I think you're adding an extra you know point guard type combo guard type that you're trying to then get but other than that three more spots big man I I think is a no doubter trying to find another serviceable big man that's something we've been talking about that length finding somebody a shooter again somebody that maybe comes off the bench somebody who can shoot from distance with regularity then a high schooler I guess you know again this past weekend was a big weekend to go out and evaluate it was the last full weekend to get out and evaluate high school recruits um Mike where where are you leaning here anything specific other than that for the last couple spots so last time we we answered this question it was I was not so much looking at like um positions whatever but like skill and strengths as opposed to you know a one or two or four or anything like that so someone who could let's say small is out and you get a a small comp let's just go with the three positions you need because if they lose small they're they're GNA have to get a point guard so that's that's a non-starter for me so with the three spots then I I would still like some size whether it's a 610 guy or a guy who's like 69 260 something like that I just want someone who's big and can hang around of the basket and I still want that shooter who can get me some points off the bench and who can deal with a lot of attention going to Tucker de and and who can catch the ball off reversal just a shooter that's all I think about this last one though Chris and I was think look going into last year's roster and how a guy like Josiah Harris was in between because you know he wasn't a three but not neither was rayquan battle but wasn't like a note fornote backup and he wasn't like a backup for Quin Quin cinski you didn't have that positional repeat when you had a bench guy come in so if he came in for one of those two it wasn't the same and he wasn't quite fast enough to be a three he wasn't quite that big enough to be a four do they have that balance right now Chris do they have somebody who can come in and and fill in for debris or fill in for I don't know let's say okani or whomever and and just keep things going where it doesn't miss a beat whereas if do make a change and you're not only changing your roster and your personnel but you're changing how you play or how you guard because you don't have the same size strength skill ability in that sub H is that like how you're Reinventing the wheel on the Fly and I'm not sure that's great so I I get into that last maybe two spots and I'm trying to make sure all I actually just need depth so get a big guy but if I have somebody who's coming off the bench can he do an impersonation of the starter or of the backup right and and keep keep this thing on track where we don't have to sub and for it's four to six minutes let's say it's a it's a immediate timeout but who knows what happens there it comes off the rails and you're you're you're down six points when you were up two before the change I think about that sometimes now too because you you can be a little bit more creative when you get this deep into the process you got 10 11 guys yeah you can get a high school guy with 12 but like this this not carbon copy but someone who does an impression that's reason acceptable for you too so maybe now you're just back fing with depth there and yeah for me how many high school guys Chris two right now you figure uh ofre neev hansbury Harris are sophomores that's Five Guys in two years that's pretty good so even then do you do you have to have a freshman Chris what are the chances those three freshman are going to be here in four years what are the chances two freshman are going to be here in four years what are the chances one freshman is going to be here for so I'm not even sure how important that is right now too I think it's a good point of concern that you can certainly vet and try to figure out if you want to do but just the the hit rate on transfer for four years totally a different game now I like it if you can do it not a priority for me though I like the idea of essentially getting of course it'd be better if you got better versions of what you already got at the certain spots but more realistically you're going to be getting slightly lesser versions of what you already have and I like that idea of kind of trying to stay consistent instead of something wildly different than what you have and having to oh wait no now this person's coming in and we have to completely change the way we play because of it so I I'm with you on that I hadn't really thought about that but I'm with you on that I like that idea no um moving on to the next topic let's talk hey uh Mike reach into that CBS shirt you got there and get your uh recruiting card out please get it ready um we're going to talk about the summer camp schedule yeah don't mess up your microphone uh we're going to talk about the summer camp schedule got several questions about that um I'm going to go more in depth like position by position leading up to the first camps up on the site but I think it is cool for us to talk about it we don't usually talk about the summer recruiting camps that's usually like more of a a very specific um audience that's looking for that there and we go VIP with that but let's talk Camp schedule Mike you're a you're a veteran of the recruiting camp scene um what kind of thing what what's most important to you when you are getting out there and seeing some of these guys I think I want to look at I don't know how you would qualify this Chris or how you'd even do this but who are people who might have said whether it's schools or coaches or even players who you reached out to them this time last year and you said hey what do you think about coming in nah can't get a bus doesn't work in our schedule then you go eight and four and you beat UNC in a bowl game you weren't supposed to be in but you got into because your offense was so cool now you call him now you say hey remember that Tom we called you last year and you said nah what do you think about this year like I wonder how many how many NOS turn to yeses or how many turn to yeah I'm in I wonder what type of boost they got based on having a good season and having you know the Good Vibes and a lot of potential all that stuff that I think people agree is present right now and ideally would be useful and is this one of those ways you could qualify B say yeah this has been good for us because blank we got we got this bus from Baltimore to come in or we got this people this group of people from Georgia who were on their way to Ohio State but they're going to stop here for a day too or on their way back or whatever I I think that'd be an interesting analysis to do and that would require somebody smarter than me to do going to have to have some cooperation there but I think that'd be a promising thing too and then I don't know Chris just like their skill Talent is is sneaky like they've had some good running backs to have some good receivers the quarterback thing all of a sudden I think is a lot more appealing for that next gen because Garrick green kind of stuck with there for a couple years but that looks like a pretty fun way to play and a pretty fun position to play and it's not just like a stand back in the pocket slinging around you know athletes at quarterback in high school Not Unusual sometimes they're Corners sometimes they're receivers in college but sometimes athletes want to be athletes too and and can they Spike their recruiting at the skill positions or perhaps um I know just a quarterback I think those are two things I try to keep an eye on yeah and couple things that have changed over the years I've been sitting I was about to say I've been sitting sitting there on the field watching these for the last 13 years but um for those that those that have been around that long over here at 247 Sports and year Sports in the early years there were some very strict rules about where we were allowed to stand and uh so there's a lot of photos and videos from about halfway up the uh bleachers for some of those early camps because we were not allowed right anywhere near what was going on um don't know why but there personal preference of of the time I suppose um that's changed but the other thing that's really changed is you're really not going to see you know last year we got to see khil Wilkins the quarterback that ended up signing with West Virginia that was a special circumstance where West Virginia kind of went into the summer without a quarterback commit which is not going to happen this year Scotty Fox who camped last year multiple times is already committed um but it is pretty rare to see the current class recruits or legitimate Targets in action um and the big reason is a lot of those guys you've already identified you already identified most of those guys and the guys that you really want they already have five six seven 10 12 offers and they will For Better or Worse look at schools and say hey I already got offers why do I need to work out and and that's changed so you know for this being this it's the summer 2024 so the current class is 2025 most of the guys that are going to be the big focused in the camps going to be 2026 and 2027 recruits that's changed over the years I mean it used to be I still remember when deil Schwarz and Wendell Smallwood walked up and ready to work out I still remember Shelton Gibson coming in with his seven on seven team and ready to play now again that's a little bit different because it's your seven on seven you're playing with your high school team so you will see a few more Marquee recruits at that depending on if their High School comes and uh West Virginia has done a nice job of it used to be one really long two-day event that was honestly miserable but now it's two separate one day events which makes it a little more palatable um especially if the weather cooperates so you you can see more guys more teams can come in and and that's really I those are my favorite days those seven on sevens not like one I like to see the competitive nature of those seven on seven games and then the tournaments but also because that's when you can really pay attention to who the coaches are focused on because at the one day recruiting camps a lot of time the coaches are working you know graduate assistants and student assistants and recruiting guys they're all helping out throughout the one-day camps but the coaches are also very much involved in the drills um they're working with all the Campers at these seven on seven tournaments most of the assistant coaches they're just kind of hanging out kind of watching talking to guys so you'll be sitting here with four six different games going on of high school seven on seven games and you just look over and there's you know three WVU assistant coaches talking to three separate recruits on the sideline and with these high school teams you know they might play at 9:00 am and then not play again till 11: am so then they have that time in between and all of a sudden you see them sneaking off with one of the coaches going to get a tour of the facilities in between their games and and those are the kind of things like yep noted take note of that that guy's a a Target and um that's what makes a lot of these fun I think something else to watch too is there are not not four new assistant coaches but two from last year two from this year who are new blae Stewart bow Marshall Vic Cabra Tyler Allen what what is their Hall look like who are they bringing in like what does that addition do um like I think it's really interesting what Marshall is doing at at receivers like a lot of people are pretty excited about playing for him and all of a sudden you know players are great ambassadors for recruiting too and and frequently sometimes you'll see players on campus during these events too there's there's rules for that but I wonder what Marshall gets into and I wonder cabal about Edge rushers or people from Georgia that he knows that could be two sources of talent someone he knows from that area or someone that you know he he has an idea on a prospect of what it's look like in his defense what do that look like and Allen Allen's been around Brown for a while knows what he likes and quarterback recruiting is very specific What will what will his touch um do for this position and recruiting to that's something else probably just ATT track and it might be a year before you actually see for a guy like Allen or cabal but maybe the time is right now for Marshall or steart because they're they're their honeymoon period they're getting to know you phase it's kind of over and now it's time for them from when they got the job last year to being there now developing relationships convincing people to consider West Virginia they can actually follow through in that right now so you know you'll see like the infancy of someone like cabal or Allen you'll see a little bit more advanced from someone like Marshall all right Mike last topic that several people brought up we got about six or seven minutes here Revenue sharing how does it work how would you allocate I mean we probably could have dedicated an entire podcast to this because this is going to get weird I don't know if we have all the answers yet because it's such in its infancy but can you give us a quick breakdown of what's Happening Here what's being discussed cannot listen I mean the stuff you're reading online is is from the inside and that's being leaked for specific purposes to people because known sources of the stories and information people who are you know very capable of reporting it and digestable understandable way so continue to read that stuff because um it's good reporting it's it's good reporting it's coming out from the people who have it and who want it to get out in the right bites and sizes so stick with that what does it mean how does it look those are two very different things right now and Chris like I guess my big question is what exactly is revenue because Revenue at Ohio State's going to be different than Revenue at West Virginia and if you're sharing a percentage of that Revenue that is not Equitable that's not going to help anything either so is a revenue TV contracts is it revenue from gate is it revenue from third party sponsorships is it just Revenue in general I don't know if they'll Define any that stuff I don't know so you know everybody in the Big 12 gets equal revenue from television actually that's not true because I think they still tear in the partners when they arrive from different conferences so even that's going to be slanted I don't know how they're going to define revenue and then just the big thing for me Chris that I just I don't know how they do this is is well two things I suppose one is the Title Nine issue don't know I mean there are people who are going to interpret Title 9 as equal opportunities which is very different from equal compensation like if you have an opportunity to play sports in Title 9 that's all that matters and what you do with that opportunity is individual and not institutional and if a gymnast is making a lot of money because of her nil and a backup safety isn't well why should the backup safety be able to make the same money that the gymnast is now see what I did I turned that on you a little bit right because at the star quarterback makes so much but the backup small forward on the Women's Basketball team doesn't well whose fault is that right so I don't know how they're going to term equity and opportunity and equity and compensation with title n there's different debates on that and then just the cap how does the cap work because if you have a cap you're going to run into antitrust and I think that's why the NCAA is looking for some sort of protection against antitrust in the future and I honestly don't know why why people would provide the NCAA with that because unless they do something where they can like revisit this regularly like they do a TV contracts um that cap is going to be a contentious part of things unless you come to a collective bargaining thing which I'm just not sure how enthusiastic or even interested or invested or informed people are about that particular topic it's a lot to it Chris can't imagine how big a fight there's going to be about all of this because just think back to this you you know us say today database where they report on revenues expenses profits and what was it four or five years ago we we we referenced that report or that database and said West Virginia made a profit I'm pretty sure someone tried to knock down my door and like Shock Me and arrest me the moment the story went up like schools push back on those all the time all the time and there's always I mean anybody that gets into any kind of accounting knows there's a million different ways you can make things look a million different ways so I don't even know how you would like you said what's Revenue how are we going to figure this out are you going to force every single school to buide by the same accounting rules what about universities who are private and don't have to report those numbers are you going to force them to report those numbers uh like you said are you just going to make it hey just the TV Revenue all the other Revenue we don't care about we're just going to split the TV Revenue it's it's going to be I mean I just you know everybody's kind of talking about this hey look at this and this you know it's getting leaked out and some of the people on our board are thinking this might be something that gets fixed or not fixed but implemented within a couple years I think this is going to be a long drawn out fighting process between the schools and whatever governing bodies involved what's kind of funny Chris is like how we it's funny when you think about where we are now and and how crazy this future looks I think back to 2011 I just started at the Daily Mail a couple years earlier but the conference expansion was happening things are realigning and everybody was starting to realize wow there's a lot of money on the table that is not going to players or programs and there was a group of I don't know maybe like players from football and basketball players from four or five or six School schools maybe like 200 300 people and they had a petition to the NCAA just to share some of the media Revenue with the players and here we are Chris talking about like 17 to 22 million in a cap and back then the NCAA said no to this petition that was asking for like $2500 $3,000 on a scholarship like a cost of living Sten and that's that maybe how we end up getting to the cost of living stiens that came a few days few years later which people forget about now but how different could things have been at the NCAA hadn't been so stubborn and just refusing to yield any power income and just said yeah 2500 bucks that's great like and then just in the corner like oh my God I can't believe they actually fell for that right because now look at this you know back damages in excess of2 billion if they settle which we'll see like there's some there's some Whispers that there's not a lot of Harmony about you know which schools pay how much or why schools are paying so much or how they're going to do it for back damages um you know who know I think it'll happen fast but it's it's it's gonna be very different and very I I just don't know people realize how significant this is like the stuff you read is just like it's another language Chris it's not what you're used to at all so yeah hopefully that happens when I'm gone because I don't really want to spend a lot of ink and keystrokes on that there's a lot to cover there which you're right um eight nine minutes in here not enough probably could do a whole episode I'm not sure how much people want to pay attention to that because could be kind of boring but man it's it's certainly different is it not it is and it's funny you said could have been out if the NCAA hadn't been so stubborn well always seems to come back to that huh the NCAA wasn't so stupid if they weren't so stubborn if they weren't so whatever yeah could have been different in the meantime Chris hold it down I'm sure that nothing will happen and everything will be peaceful and you don't to worry about players flip-flopping commitments or division one sports Falling Apart Nothing in the middle either nice easy row until I get back uh good luck to you good luck to Andrew until then I'm Mike cazza and I'm Chris Anderson we will talk to you then