Jabari Vs. Tommy: Who Won This Debate

e e St all right um I want to thank Captain Tarak as usual great moderation job brother you have always been a non-biased standup brother when it comes to this debate I want to thank Tommy so go ahead go ahead brother never that's that's why he's the May man the captain bro what's wrong with you man yeah and I wantan S let me finish Captain you could go I want to thank Tommy soday for taking the time out to come over here and bless us with um a powerful presentation and of course I want to thank my brother Jabari as well for coming over blessing us and I want to let y'all know we are live on the Afterparty so come on in the people are in here waiting to ask y'all questions the link is in the chat um I pass you the mic captain and then Nepal Nepal might want to come in and say something go ahead um Captain yes we good we good um Nepal you want to close out Nepal yeah I got I got a few things to say to Tommy over there and Jabari over there man I gotta I gotta say something let's go exit out y'all we it could be it could be like um maybe a half hour for you just hour that's all yeah just half hour Tommy we out no just come on over yeah go to the page H you'll see we live it's the same page we've been on over there all right oh man powerful powerful debate damn all right I got a posle in the building already boy Apostle don't be playing Apostle do not be playing man [Music] in the H we pulling up on trying to get your mind TR to your soul all my CH by smoke blow when you see [Music] yeah yeah yeah yeah all right powerful powerful after debate party we in the building we got um damn who was the challenge y who was the Challenger I got it mixed up I don't know it would have had to have been me wouldn't it because I'm that's he shouts y'all out you would yeah you would have to be the Challenger so I want to First bring the first question I don't know Captain might have some questions now Nepal might have some questions um I want to first ask Jabari why was you a little you was not the Jabari of the Floyd Mayweather and what I mean by that is you razzled Dazzle no I'm not saying information I'm talking about as far as you turning up you know what I'm saying you usually turn up and make Tommy you know get up out of here I didn't see any of that today what happened man Tommy was too comfortable up in there that that that sounds like you're making an assessment about the debate but let me say to you no I'm not I'm just saying I'm used to seeing you go in but you was like laidback calm and you just delivered your message yeah I think that you're gonna recognize I don't always need to turn up I mean the reality is okay do what you have to do is you show your sources and and you prosecute your case and when the other I didn't I didn't see Tommy showing many sources and he made a lot of comments that I could actually prove wrong by just showing you some sources so there was no need for me or for me to turn up both of us were having a respectful conversation so there was no need for us to to like get hyped it wasn't like judge Joe Brown who was saying some stuff that was really noxious Tommy Tommy shared his ideas and I appreciate that he did um but I I you know once you show the sources I don't think that you need to do more than that so all right um Nepal you have any questions before we bring in the people uh you know what this is what's awesome it really was and I had I don't know if Jabari knows I don't want to overshadow the actual debate afterparty but I had uh I did an a heartfelt apology to you Jabari um I don't want to do go in with that you know to take away from the stream but I I did acknowledge that I was being very rude and you know I'd say disrespectful to you and I and I do not ever want to be that way with you anymore because you are such a very decent person you you come with information it gets gets really it's a toughest environment but I don't ever want to get personal so that's what I just want to let you know I already said that before but since you're present and in front of everyone I wanted to say that to you out of respect now the debate I'll let you say whatever you we already talked but I I I really was ashamed of my you know the way I was trating you I let my head go with all the um you know the heated passionate going in uh you know they say don't talk about politics and religion but that's what we exactly do over here and some other things that I'm glad I worked out with you but um yeah you and Tommy I loved how you guys did this debate s said he didn't see you turn up I just loved how smoothly it went but there was a lot of pressure from both sides but I love how it it was very very respectful on both sides so I'm just G to follow that I follow that example from now on so that's that that's what I want to say okay a pel is in the building pel let's bring the question brother you got any questions for Tommy and what's up yeah man I got questions s but bring the heat bring the heat Apostle uh Jabari good job man uh good job let me uh first shout out uh the most high uh for allowing this to take place cu the most high is most good he's he's gracious uh uh Tommy sitting down so uh you know um I think what Jabari did was just Rose to the occasion uh Tommy kept it cordial there was no reason for Jabari to raise up his Temple and uh he he he fact checked them and slapped them backwards forward up and down and you know me and Jabari don't get along but uh I I I I got to say it's it's it's masterful because more and more it seems to me that on communist behalf there's always seems to be substance on Donald Trump's side it seems to be emotions uh yeah because tell tell us the substance please tell please tell us the substance again when she was asked like both parties was asked in the debate what is their plan it's obvious she had a plan he spoke about her plan she talked about her plan uh the only person didn't talk about a plan uh was Donald Trump he said on it so her plan was to give $6,000 uh like I say in my day it was $2,000 for children tax deductible uh her is to raise that $2,000 up to $6,000 a person uh she has a plan for small businesses I'm looking forward to starting a small business on my property I'mma do Airbnb I'm putting two uh uh mini homes on my property that I'm going to be renting out in Tennessee so I will be eligible for that $50,000 I'm looking forward to that as a small business investor I'm looking forward to that Donald Trump ain't talking about helping me no he want to help his buddies the rich and the rich we know that every policy he has is is really the reason why he's running for president is to line his pockets he shows that with having the inaugurations at his businesses he's taking the tax dollars that's paying for his inauguration and paying himself who ever heard of that I never I'm 69 years old I never seen that in my life a president pay himself yeah with tax dollars yeah whenever he goes on a trip and he has to house uh uh the C Service CIA service there at his hotel yes where he's getting paid y yeah he's running for president because really he didn't he showed when he got sued and they tried to get to 46 the 40 the 465 billion from him he didn't have it and desperately tried to get it reduced cuz he didn't have it he barely came up with 90 1 million cuzz he has broke but he needs this presidency to line his pockets further that's why he's doing it frankly that's why my boy doing it he's running the one that nobody talks about the guy that always wear the turtleneck up to his neck that's why he's running for president because when you run for president you get to line your pockets you mentioned Tommy about what Camila and this is my question for you what Camila said against Biden when she ran against Biden for the Democratic party but are you aware what Mitch McConnell has said about Donald Trump are you aware of what the senator in Texas said about do I'm talking about the Republican senator in Texas are you aware what JD Vance said about Donald Trump now he's running with Donald Trump are you aware what the uh senator of South Carolina said about Donald Trump all right resp brother I'm asking about all these but now I need you to let them respond let them respond I got other been listening to him for a while I've been listening to him for a while as he stated that Trump has no policies but then he brought up that she had something for small startup businesses and I'm trying to start a small startup business as that's not my question Tommy that's not my question well you say like N Things in a row say them one at a time and I'll answer them no no I um Apostle Apostle go on mute let let Tommy respond he's not answering my question I said thousand things I can't say I can't respond to the things I remember I said some things what's your question Apostle question okay my question was are you aware what Mitch McConnell said about Donald Trump I'm aware L I'm not aware of specifically what he said no are you aware what the Republican senator in Texas said I'm not aware specifically what he said are you aware what the what the Republican senator in South Carolina said let's say no to all of it what is the point all what is the point so let me help you out okay no I don't want to hear it I want to know what the point is no Apostle you're not here to teach you here to ask the question saying I don't I don't get it why why wouldn't he tell me what the point isare of what someone said you got to at least say what he said so he know what you cuz I'm quite sure said a lot but you gotta let him I said specifically about Donald Trump I know I want to know what is the I'm not I'm sure bad stuff but I need to know what is the importance of it okay let me do this here let me stop uh why am I the one that knows what he's saying jar jar listen to this are you aware what Mitch McConnell said what about Donald Trump after Donald Trump after Mitch McConnell's wife left go ahead what what was he actually said several things about Donald Trump that were very unflattering he said that he thought that he was um someone who did not proper moral fiber he also said that he was um uh responsible for the January 6th um uh um debacle particularly understanding Mitch McConnell's wife left the administration after that so he had a lot of things to say and he said that the President should be held accountable and that he might not be impeached but he should be prosecuted for it that those are that's what Mitch McConnell said right uh Jabari are you aware that the sen the Republican senator of Texas the Republican senator of South Carolina the Republican senator uh say Ohio say Ohio Ohio that denied he just denied he just denied that anybody was eating dogs and cats yep 20,000 Haitians yep I mean the only thing Donald Trump said all right all right Apostle Apostle all right all right I mean I mean you should just speaking at me yeah I didn't here I didn't come up here to get I didn't come up here I didn't come I'm not an in school suspension and having two grown men sit and giggle with each other while talking to me as I watch them y don't need me Did You Wrong you y' don't need me to do this though all right um go ahead and respond um Tomas you can respond now I'm saying like they don't I want both I want everybody who's watching this to just see what happened this and they clicked up on it like I would have told if I was Jabar I would have either said well well whatever you're trying to say to this man let him speak back to you unless he's in in school suspension and we're just going to sit here and giggle at him as we talk why would I be here what what would be what would be the purpose of me being here I just wanted to know that part because what you're saying my points have stood you said Trump had no policies he does have policies you brought up that this woman said that she's trying to help small businesses blacks have been trying to start small businesses since slavery ended who stopped them from doing it then you say he has no policies but she stole one of his which was the no tax on tips he also was the one who was his tax cuts if his tax cuts were so bad guess who could have cancelled them Biden and her could have but they didn't they kept them why they kept them they're about to be up right now uh and they were going to and he promises to extend them but if they were so bad they could have cut them there's a lot of things that y'all are just not saying when you brought up what these other men are saying they're not running for president hold on hold on quiet no no no no jaari um you finish um Tommy yeah I'll let him jump in because I don't believe in just monopolizing time all right just being sarcastic as we speak you got three minutes not too long not too long brother go ahead I I think that um I'm going to start by saying that the I think what just happened is apostle was asking Tommy questions he said he wasn't familiar with it so he started asking me so we started talking that's what happened he started with with Tommy and um so that's that's what happened but I want to be clear that Tommy is just saying that um why did they keep the Trump tax cuts why couldn't they just he could just Biden could just get rid of them I'm not sure if he's aware that in order to decide what taxes will be you have to pass a bill it has to get through Congress so you're saying Biden can just get rid of them it's not that simple because one of the houses of Congress is controlled by Republicans and the other one um is basically 5050 with the vice president so they can filibuster as well so and you also wait hold on hold on and they all you also said they're about to expire no the one that's about to expire is the tax cut on the middle class and the poor the one that they put in in place for people who make a large amount of money the 1% those don't those are made permanent through the bill so in order to change that so they're not those don't expire in order for that to change now a new bill has to be passed and I don't know whether um the Democrats will actually be able to do that they would have to be able to hold to take both houses and that's a that's a really they have to run the board to be able to do that we'll see how it goes all right Tommy you want to respond yes because able to do it when when you look over the last presidents that's been there Trump has only been in office four years the rest of them 12 out of the I think 12 out of the 16 have been Democrats what if you look at that and how was then Trump able to get these tax cuts but Biden wasn't able to get rid of them and now we've been told by Jabari that Camala won't be able to get rid of them either so why are they bringing them up as a problem how was he able to get them done in four years is that a question it sounded like one oh I listen I'm I'm shell shot because now at this point after the debate and I paused and didn't say another word you did pause that's why I was like is it good I'm not trying to over I'm not trying to was I was having a discussion maybe my problem is I'm too respectful to people here and just be smart have do I have to monopolize the conversation I want to hear from y'all I'm not here to just be let me bring this here let me bring on this brother J ask me a question go ahead go ahead answer the question yeah uh let's let's be clear that if you're going to actually change taxes it has to be a bill has to pass and so that's how this works um and so we'll see how that works we'll see if that bill will be able to pass I know that um when that Bill gets to kamla Harris's desk if they're able to do it they will do that but I want you to be clear that the middle class tax cuts as they called them they sunlight they they um Sunset after eight years but the T anyone could look I can even show you the sources I have them but you but the taxes on the most wealthier taxes that were made permanent so that's that's the issue with the with the taxes and I'm kamla has been very clear about um her tax plan there by the way uh with regard to what was what was being said we were responding to whether kamla Harris described her policies in the debate and so apostle was describing the AP policies that were described in the baate debate maybe Trump was going to mention some stuff but she baited him and all he did is say things that were like really bizarre so bizarre that they had to be fact check people are eating dogs children can be murdered after they're born of course you have to fact check someone on that and so th those are the qu kinds of things that happen then it's going to be a real I I want to see if there's going to be a second debate we know that Trump said he won't have a third but let's see what happens and and where it goes if there is one that occurs and Setta don't be dismissive of me like that like I wasn't asking legitimate questions can't hear you I think son muted yeah I'm G come right back to you Apostle you was just too longwinded with the question I'mma come back to you Apostle um seven you got a question for Tommy or um Jabari yeah I actually got a question for both of them but first I want to say peace to you s sanetta peace to everyone on the channel in the CH and in the panel and I did watch the debate and in my opinion Jabari wanted hands down and the reasons why is you know I watched the debate and I listened to both brothers intently right and you know I wanted to get actually get the information to see if I can be convinced one or the other you know I I came in unbiased and for me for for Tommy who did an both of them did an excellent job I want to say that both of them were were were respectful both of them articulated what they felt and I was able to understand what they were trying to you know give to the people um but for me for Tommy he just didn't provide enough sources um I saw him contradict himself my brother I just need you to ask question brother just ask a question okay I was just just trying to give the reason why I feel like okay here here's my question for Tommy can you name me this is a black um this is a black um platform and we're speaking to black people can you name me three policies that Donald Trump promis to the black hold up hold up hold up correction correction this is not a black platform this is platform is open for everybody I don't care what color you are we open for everybody anybody can come in and speak brother all right black until negro black people started tearing it down it used to be so now we open for everybody okay um just from my viewpoint I just see it m mainly black people viewing and speaking on this platform so I I understand what you're saying Setta no disrespect for that but what I want him to answer is can he name me three policies that Donald Trump promised to black people and were the policies and where those where he made um right on those policies where he came through on those policies for black people he didn't make any promises to black people nor did K he did what promise he made to black people tell me about it okay excuse me let me quantify my question during his presidency he made promises to black people he had a platinum Pro uh uh program for the black community so can you outline the policies in his first four years where he promised black people um these things and where he came through the Platinum plan by achieving uh Trump's uh pillars by achieving historic employment levels for Black Americans as well as increasing access to capital for new business uh which he did they had opportunity zones we also had black male unemployment very low I think almost at that time lowest it had ever been they also had black unemployment again again damn near the same place uh security by signing into law the first step act president has brought Common Sense Criminal Justice Reform the first time in decades while ensuring that our streets and communities and families and business owners are safe when he signed that first step act that overwhelmingly had black males were benefited from that Prosperity as the first president to provide long-term funding to historical black colleges that is is true instead of them having to come every year and ask for that money he said for 10 years y'all ain't got to ask for it y'all y'all get this it's written in these are things and then when you say what somebody's doing um let see demonstrated through his uh investment opportunity zones those things were given you have right now a lot of black folks who's sitting around well at that time who were doing well that hadn't been and you've talked to them that's why my whole idea behind the debate was talk to the people when someone's throwing up facts about oh well when they're trying to nitpick well that's not a fact that this happened ask the people what is a fact of what they're dealing with ask them if it's a fact that gas is up ridiculous amounts now than it was then ask them if it's a fact that um milk eggs cheese your groceries ask them that to me that matters y'all can say whatever y'all want to but the bottom line has to be money in your pocket and money that's going out okay brother Jabari can you outline to the people kamla Harris as a vice president how she's unable to create policy or enforce policy um during during her sense with with um Joe Biden uh wait ask that question one more time I'm sorry um KLA Harris as the vice president how she cannot create or enforce policies as the vice president under Joe Biden yeah the the way that this works the vice president um is the person that can you hear me oh I froze for a the vice president is the person that is the chief administrator for the president's ideas they get to talk about the President and Vice President get to talk about what the platform will be but the the vice president uh I'm not aware of any vice president going forward and and setting policy that was not previously set by the president it's the reason why you can't tell me about um [Music] my uh oh we're losing you we're losing you brother is of any president of vice president's policies during yes so I you lost me yeah for a moment am I can you hear me yeah you're back okay okay so that's generally not what vice presidents do and I think the people who are saying that are being disingenuous let's be really clear that um uh um uh Pence didn't set policy during the Trump Administration and he really was loyal to Trump until he refused to overturn an election and then Trump decided that he was going to go with his mob suggest that maybe he get hung maybe he get killed and and that was really um noxious was very noxious um actually happened yeah all right moving right along moving right along um let's go with my man de de you got a question brother yes sir what's up S uh I want to say that it was an excellent uh show a excellent uh debate my question is for uh Tommy uh Tommy I'm going to preface this by saying that uh dishonesty runs a little rampant in the black community with me saying this I want to ask you um I will say that not many people can out talk you but the environment that you were in in in this show perhaps that was not your your strength if it was a more open setting I think that you you you may have got him so in the hopes of helping our people you know there a lot of people in our chat who are dishonest can you say that you don't think that you got the best of this debate can you say that you know hey perhaps brother Jabari got me in this setting can you say that um Mr Tommy no because the facts of why a person would uh well you would vote for one when they both have been in office the numbers bear it out that the economy and everything that matters to people was better under one than the other you can bring up any fact of oh she wasn't she didn't say she smoked in college and listen to tup park because even when he fact checked me when he told y'all and she would have been too old to be in college in ' 86 she was and that's when she said she was in college she said it out of her own mouth I didn't say argue about if she was listening to Tupac while she was doing it the problem was she was doing it and still arresting people that was weird okay thank you B all right moving right along to Bari go ahead you want to respond just really quickly I want to be clear that the DA has to enforce this the um the I'm sorry the attorney general has to enforce the laws of their state um they do have some um uh influence on how they are actually enforced and we'll actually see that kamla Harris um did not prosecute a lot of people for marijuana charges she did not she did not in fact very few people saw any jail time and she also created um a policy that um for those people who had actually been convicted of small level crimes including marijuana but not limited to marijuana if they had proven that they were able to go get a degree get a a well a decent paying job they would actually expunge their record that was revolutionary at the time that she did that um I think that those people who are saying that kamla Harris put a lot of black people in in um jail for marijana crimes need to show us their source and that's not something that Tommy did tonight all right let me go to Nation Nation what's up naon you got a question brother um so I wanted I watched the entire debate I just wanted to say um Tommy pretty much won primarily for the reason that he gave he answered the question for the debate so the debate was which one was it for us right for the uh for the presidency and he on his first slide whether or not Jabari agreed with the source or not he did answer it the reason was the economy basically um Jabari didn't give an answer as to why um uh we should vote for Kamala but but uh um Thomas definitely um honed in on that so he won and um Jabari yeah Jabari your my question for you is um did Amal Harris did Cala Harris um um arrest or at least put laws in place to arrest negro Americans uh for treny negro Americans I call him negro that's a that's a curious way to refer to black people um a dated way to referred to black people um KLA Harris actually did KLA Harris actually did um put a a a rule in place so that if your child was routinely truen you could be brought up on charges she explained why thank you I appreciate it thank you thank you guys thank you you don't to say that brother sorry not something you get to do you could try to do that you don't get to do that brother what what was he doing respond jaari yeah basically uh what he did is he said that what you should actually what she believed that when children don't go to school you could clearly see how it affects their life going forward how it affects Communities going forward and that is what actually she put in place you can critique whether whether you think she should have done that or right or or not and I and you know I think that you can argue that but the reality is very few people were ever tried on it very few people um and in addition to that I agree that when you say that people when kids are not going to school as someone who has worked um supporting schools in Harlem in an impoverished Community especially when it was more impoverished than it is now I actually saw very clearly that TR and really negatively affect someone for the rest of their life so she was trying to ensure that people were going to school there were um ways that you could explain why your child didn't go to school um and you know I I think that that's that was her plan I you could critique her on it but I I think I understood what the policy was for it also our brother said that um the the um that Tommy wins the debate because he argued why um Trump was better for our people and he he um uh actually argued that this slide right here is why he would argue that Tommy won um it's a slide I want to show it to everyone it's it's a picture it's a it's a pretty picture but um it just has some some numbers on it we don't know where those numbers come from where do those numbers come from Tommy suggested that maybe he should look it up on the dlj but DJ is for criminal statistics not for these statistics ICS mortgage rates personal Savings Credit Card delinquency real weekly wages the only source I could find is from Mark Ultra Maga 1 a2a that's the only source I could find for this for this so if he thinks that that's a good enough argument that's that's for him he's he's entitled to his opinion but he also doesn't seem to have heard that I actually used a a CBS News um uh site to explore all of kamla Harris's policies every I didn't get through all of them but I got to at least the top five or six so he says that I didn't argue why she was better I'm not sure where he maybe he took a bathroom break or something I certainly did do that and this is a let me just I'm G park the car in a second onet this is a verifiable source the the one that Tommy showed I still want to know where that where the the numbers are from because I I don't I don't get where they came from all right tomm you want to respond or move on keep it moving I just keep on moving all right me me is in the building what up me uh what's going on peace to the panel piece of the chat um I feel like Jabari definitely won that uh but I do got a question for Tommy so in the interrogation round right given that he asked you so many questions that you did not have the answer to that you said you didn't know yourself how do you feel like you did in that round what you say you pulled doubt and the interrogation or do you feel like you lost that no I think what happened is if someone's asking these question like that but it has nothing to do with what the topic is just like the other guy Apostle I said here's the topic the topic of the conversation that we're talking about can you tell me why one is better than the other I told you one's better than the other one and every one of you can go look up yourself that's the great part about this y'all can say I won you can shake your head and smile because I noce that's something that y'all like doing y'all childish y'all don't have conversations like adults it's probably why I got a bigger house so y'all can keep doing this it's fine but when you go back and look at what people are doing and how it's affecting their personal life if she was such a good candidate she would have given you real things she's doing and she didn't she hasn't and she won't she's been in office so you can check me on everything but you surely won't check me of what she's done while she was in office and what her boss did while she was in office and what she said she was going to do for you now she can't even show you how she's going to do these things she said she was G to do and I think that you guys should so whether you think I lost or not you lose if you don't believe that this woman should answer you I got one more question I got one more question for him s so U given that uh a lot of the things you did not have answers to was a lot of your major talking points when he was asking you in the interrogation round and you couldn't answer him and he asked you did you know of this did you know of that and you said no he asked you did you have a source for this did you have a source for that you said no would you feel like you still won that debate given you couldn't give any answers or any sources to your major talking point because it wasn't my major points talking points just like he kept trying to say when he spoke about she didn't listen to Biggie that wasn't my major talking point and I even corrected him and he still kept doing it just like project 2025 my major point in that was saying this person smoked weed then prosecuted people for it and laughed about it and if we saw a white person do it we just said they were racist all right um I don't know what's wrong with Y adults I I want y'all all to look at them these are grown ass black men they can't stop giggling like like hoes we're talking and then when they talk to me I'm not sitting here there is something weird about this and if y'all don't think it's weird and then the best y'all come up with after adults are doing this is say he's hurt Sonet y I don't want I got a family to go be with I'm not g to sit here watch you grown people do this [ __ ] it's stupid it I before we even left I said I gotta go be my family I'm not g to sit here with adults that keep doing this you can say something that I don't agree with and I understand what the hell is that other stuff you're doing serious grown man all right um let me move on uh Lex Vortex Lex Vortex can I answer that question too no no you already answered first Jabari and I didn't answer him I didn't answer no you didn't answer him you're right I promise I'll be brief I promise I'll be brief ahead go ahead go ahead I'm not gonna I'm not gonna respond to the smiling part because we all smile when I mean Tommy when he thought I was doing something wrong he smiled and did stuff too so anyway I I I do want to say that when I asked Tommy about his sources they were sources on the things that he said they weren't the sources of the things I said so if he's saying that it doesn't have anything to do with the debate then by extension the points he made have to debate I said how could you say this are you familiar with this it was based on what he said I didn't say here's my argument are you familiar with the source I was sourcing his stuff and proving that it was not um there was no source for it and I asked him several times if he had sources he didn't have them um and so it's a it's a real challenge you know you can have your ideas and your opinions but you should be able to say well this is where I got them from I I know that he said he had to look them up but they were based on things that he had said I didn't phrase it and then say what's the source I said you said this what's the source so I have the source on I don't have the the exact job numbers wait wait wait but I can pull it up please don't do that source of the inflation please don't do that had a good debate I didn't interrupt you Brother come on now come on um I I just so you know that that's that's the deal I mean one example I'll give you one example um Tommy said that um uh Trump and JD Vance I think he just mentioned Trump in this one said that there were people migrants eating people's pets and that now it's been proved true with video and the source actually says that there is a woman who ate a cat but she is not in Springfield Ohio and she's a citizen of the United States she's not a migrant she's not Haitian but they continue to say it and I don't know if you've seen this today JD Vance said on his Twitter account it may be wrong but we have to continue pushing this eating pets narrative because it keeps immigration in the debate that's what JD Vance said so we're in we're in trouble when people are pushing misinformation that is racist as to steal bro bro bro bro relax man leg Vortex question yeah I have on a couple of questions well kind of a three-part question it's it's due to the international politics for Jabari and Tommy Sodoma do you think first of all is with Camala Harris do you think her being married to a Zionist Jew affect will affect her policy when it comes to Israel because a lot that's talking about never talk about I'm sorry I just said it's a good breaking upx you broke up you're breaking up bro always get yeah he's breaking up maybe I don't can you hear me now yeah you better yes all right so yeah so she's married to a Jewish man and we're on the V brink of World War II and we're giving Israel billions of dollars now she said I heard her say that you know the the original thing that happened in Gaza you know the attack Israel has the right to defend itself but since then like I think it's like 50,000 people in Gaza have been killed I think there's a fine line between genocide and protecting yourself so um and in terms of so that's my first and then on the on the other side when it comes to Russia Ukraine there's been talks of uh Joe Biden's son having serious investments in Ukraine it's a fact if you look it up you know he has some company that operates in Ukraine and he actually you know they were pushing to remove certain Ukrainian officials so and then so that's the second but and the last one is do you have y'all considered the people who are investing in both parties like do you have any knowledge of the the corporate Investments behind them and lobbyist so that's what I'm talking about all right the time is on at two minutes because we don't want too long question answers I mean who want to answer first I do I do I do who's saying that Jabari messed up Jabari my mic is messed up sound like you under the water really okay hold on let me let me see if I can fix that I uh I'm going to change it and then go back is that better can you hear me clearly now much better two minutes okay can I say I'm really concerned about what's happening in Gaza I really am and I think that the responses that the Democrats and Republicans have had through the years are not appropriate um if there's any problem I have with kamala's um uh policies it's that um and I really do believe that we're in a situation where we are seeing an entire community of people who are helpless be massacred right and I think that the one thing I can say is uh if you looked carefully kamla was the first person this is the only way that she might have tried to push Biden a little bit she was the first person in the administration to call for a ceasefire right um I don't think that pushes enough Lex I don't um I also though believe two things first of all some of the things that Trump did during his administration were the Prelude to this madness that's going on in Gaza moving the um American Embassy for example those sorts of things I think created an environment where the Palestinians did not think that they had anyone to negotiate with and then Hamas did something unconscionable so that's the the situation we're in now I want to also say that Trump's former a you didn't finish let me finish hold on hold on I promise I'll park the car said you asked a lot but I promise I'll stop on that one you ask the first question hold on y'all hold on you can ask first question I'm not finished yet I'm not finished yet when we go to Tommy and then you go back to you and ask the second one like that yeah I'm not quite finished yet I know you got a couple more seconds go ahead yeah Trump's former um Aid said that she heard Trump say that he would level Gaza so I think that neither of their policies for me are adequate but I do think that Trump would go even further and be really um it would be even more problematic that's on I mean I I understand what you're saying but you you didn't address the fact that she's married to a Jewish man and how that may how that's going to be the second one let me let Tommy respond Lex and then we gonna come right back to that Tommy you g respond to his first one you want to ask the first one again or you good Tommy ask ask ask ask the first one but I think I know him ask the ask the one you want the answer to now well my concern was what's going on in Israel can you hear me Tommy yes sir Camala is obviously taking a strong stance with Israel do you think the fact that she's married to a Jewish man who is uh pretty much you known Zionist will have a a big impact on her policy with uh you know I'm saying what's going on in Israel and where it may take the world leading into World War I very much so and um when you think about America's policy towards Israel when you look at them they've been weird but we can understand at least their explanation is we need a presence in the Middle East that is democratic like us uh same thing when the Russians decided to help Fidel Castro he wanted to have a communist uh country in the Western Hemisphere one but two when you look at it to me the politics are simple you were asking I don't I need too minutes to answer it all you're asking should we pay attention to who is doing what with who and who are they associated with with you're 100% right the brother said earlier every politician running for president they make money so why would they only talking about Trump's money but not the other person running for president why wouldn't you want to know what money each were getting and from where when you look at the numbers right now Camala Harris is getting about four times the donations than Donald Trump she's raised more than four times where's that money coming from all these questions should be asked of anyone who's running your country I don't care who it is y'all would want to know if I'm talking who's paying me you should want to know who's getting paid when they're doing stuff because they get to hire other people and make more money under Trump you didn't go into Wars since Trump we've been a lot of Wars it makes somebody money who's it making money oh right Jabar you want to respond to the first one um the one about the Jew Kamal I think that I think I'm concerned about both of them but the reality is I don't know about whether Kamala Harris's husband who is Jewish is a Zionist I don't know that but I will also say we have to also recognize that Donald Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish guy who says that he would like to get rid of Gaza because it has beautiful beach front property I I I just think that we need to recognize that um we have to use the same Calculus if we're going to grade them on this I don't think either of them are adequate on the issue of Gaza to be very Frank with you and I think that unfortunately the issue of Israel has captured American politics for decades and I I'mma tell you if you look at the the Progressive Democrats that spoke out on Gaza almost all of them had millions of dollars put up against them by um Israeli um uh groups and they Lo most of them lost so I honestly I think I understand why politicians have that position I wish they didn't but they wouldn't be elected if they said something else we have to now create the infrastructure to push back we should be able to to actually spend $10 million on someone who takes an issue that doesn't support Gaza and that's not what's happening right now it's the it's the reverse if someone says anything critical of Israel um they I mean look at Cory Bush Cory Bush got bumped out look at Jamal Bowman Jamal Bowman got bumped out um these are F now jabal and Bowman had other issues but Cory Bush didn't have those issues they got bumped out because the um APAC I think is what it's called I might be wrong about the title of the of the lobbying the the Israeli supporting um um lobbying group but they spent tens of millions of dollars against them in their primaries and lost so this is a real difficult problem and we need to be able to create the ground swell so that American um domestic politics is not one um uh position either when you're talking about the Democrats or the Republicans but I want to be clear that the only country that is um the only person in the in the race that is trying to have a little bit of daylight is kamla Harris she's the one that [Music] all right let me go to Sophia Jackson Sophia Jackson you have a question yes I do hello everybody thank you so much for the panel this is my first event and um it was quite interesting welcome sister thank you so much I do have several questions I listen to both um in the in the debate Tommy and Jabari you guys did an amazing job however I am leaning toward um Tommy and and um it was tough because listen to everybody being African-American and a professional and so on and so forth I was just listening and I have four questions for you Jabari okay can we do one at a time or a lot of one at a time and they'll be very brief are you okay with more questions oneta or um I would like for her to break it down two and two for you and then Tommy I did I do I do I can break them down they both can um Tommy this question is for Jabari Jabari have you looked at the or seen the video footage of Trump's address to the African-American community in Atlanta around 2016 are you familiar with that footing uh I think I am I think I am that's 2016 I think I am um I believe I am familiar with that with that speech actually okay in that speech Donald Trump laid out his entire plan for the African-American Community he said blacks only why because he stated that we had a poor I mean he's just he was just raw you had a poor start the Constitution everything was not meant for you in the beginning and I cannot take you as a people to go where I need to go in the country unless I take you with me in that Forum it was standing room only question no I'm just this is this you said that you were familiar with it I just want to bring home I'm hoping that you're G to ask a question in order for me to continue I want you to just to to listen please about the platform in that platform you keep saying that he didn't have a plan for the African-American he listed that plan and then shortly thereafter in the next month they impeached him the same implementation is what he is doing today okay second can you you please define to me a africanamerican or a black American that was not you didn't ask me a question I'm asking you now you ask another question come on now let's he said you made a statement about Trump being um about his speech in Atlanta which I thought was pandering and insulting he would also said what do you have you have nothing what do you have you might as well give me a try I mean it was I thought it was insulting to be ask your question she said did you know I'm sorry Tommy I don't think she's speaking to you right now you said that was that was that I that was not a that was actually not um I think um you don't even remember on to another topic you asked me a question about his rally I mean and then you told me your question was are you familiar with it and then you just spoke about it right hold hold on hold on hold on Sophia ask your question ask your straight just ask the question okay Define this is next Define African-American or black American because you made reference to that several times in your debate I I an africanamerican in my estimation and I don't want to pretend that I'm the one that decides it for everyone but in my estimation an African-American is someone who um has African Heritage and is an American it's that simple Tom you want to respond to that question it's just so then isn't like why was he surprised then when I told him Charlie ston and Elon mus were African-Americans they don't have African Heritage they're born in Africa no Brother come on we're not American hold on hold on let's be clear we're talking about um when I say heritage I'm talking about being of the the the the genetic makeup of people who are African that is what I'm saying well that's correct when you say that Charlie Theon and um and Elon Musk are African-American you know everybody's from Africa you know very well that that is not what we're referring to dear brother that's not it's not a difference African and afan correct I'll tell you the descendants of slavery when they came to to the con you tell me what the definition is because it's written in the in the history you were referencing what history what history let let us just finish let me let me finish the African-Americans when they came to this country of course we know that they were kidnapped they were Negroes when they got here so they're trying to polish it up they changed from the Negro to like African-American or black American which we are today and what that is is that a definition by which to identify the slaves or the descendants of the slaves negro is still on my birth certificate and when the government officials look at it they know where you come from that you are descendants of slaves that's what the definition of a black American is not just your heritage and kamala's Dad yeah he was Jamaican and Irish his father was a slave owner they did not identify I put the article down in the chat Sophia Jackson K Harris's father was not a slave owner he was Irish descent I I Dro Irish AR was she said his family was you heard said his father was a slave owner I listened very carefully say he was he said his father was folks if you heard her say in the chat Harris's father is a please said she didn't say kamla Harris is she said Harris father Donald Harris's father and I dropped the Irish wait wait I dropped the Irish article there read it you are a lecturer I am too I'm a clinician over you and yesterday you were talking about all stuff are you kidding me hold on hold on hold on hold on sister Hold on Sister quick jari I want to be clear that the sister said that Donald my name is Sophia saneta What's Happening Here My isop sop call Sophia yeah but I said the sister I called her I said Peace sister earlier she said nothing now she's upset I said sister okay so you don't want to be my sister that's fine you don't have to be um what I'm saying is is you said that Donald Harris's father was a SL and and I wanna Sophia you got the let him speak you got to let him speak and then you correct it she said she said that um Donald Harris's father was a slave owner and I want to be clear about what year enslavement ended in um Jamaica it would be absolutely impossible for his father to be a slave owner now we do know we do know we do know sis I'm sorry this is supposed to you ask me a question I'm supposed to answer I know that that you're new here so maybe you're not familiar with how it's supposed to work but if you want to debate call saleta and that might happen I've debate everybody so if that's what you want to do call saneter and we'll do it but you ask me a question and I am attempting to answer it so um I want to say we do know that um one of his relatives owned enslaved people not his father someone much further back owned enslaved people but in actuality when you look at the lineage of many of um the people of AF in the new world you're actually going to see that many people um have a lineage that is unfortunately shared with their enslavement owner um including myself by the way all right Tom Tom Tom Tom Tommy um I want to be respectful to your time how more time you got Tommy I may got five minutes I got okay five minutes I need y questions to go to Tommy thank you sop um let me go let me go to let me go to Don Don yes you Nepal your your your line is open your line is open come on all right that was mute all right was anent I'm sorry all right d let's go d d let's go can I can I say something right quick just be real quick I just think again all that laughter is like silly so when a person is talking about African-American and you listen to them but negro is what they call blacks the man came up here earlier he said negro American a laughter breaks out again as like what he said was completely wrong I I just have never heard anybody say that it's like this this this it's like being just being crashed at people for like no reason negro American is more scientifically correct than African-American what it is we're Negroes Tommy maybe you are comfortable being called a negro I am not by the way most NAACP is what tell me what those letters mean hold on hold on hold on most people connect themselves to a land mass that's where most people's descriptions are but when we say negro that doesn't connect us to a land mass the na the NAACP was um was actually Caucasian is not a word that should ever be used read my book um what you should actually recognize is many of these terms are dated for the brother to actually say that he was a an he's asking about negro Americans today in 2024 I didn't I didn't work him I just said that was a strange thing to call black people in 2024 that's what I he was I just want to add this this is literally was a foreigner this is literally the thing that made me an I don't think you've been given permission to speak yet brother yeah yeah I just wanted to add though this I don't think you've been given permission to speak yet brother you you can but saneta is on the phone but we have to do it in a structured manner I got you thank I appreciate that yeah I a question for Jabari anyway so UHA saneta speaking you can't just jump in Inky hold on man deal what's up deal you got a question yeah I have a question uh for it's for Jabari I know he want you want to pose him toward Tommy but I just I've been waiting to ask Jabari is um I find it ironic um that the Democratic party seem is the party for the people they want everybody to you know everybody's equal so to speak right and it seems like when Biden said those terrible things about black people a long time ago uh we Seena forgave him okay all right do you have a question brother I'm tired of it to the questions y'all come on man okay so basically the question is when I looked at the debate uh a lot of your uh your your points most of your points were pointed toward Trump being uh his character what his character flaws whatever he was doing question for you is as a trump supporter I'm looking for policies things that will make me change my mind or question things that's what I was looking forward to debate so when you are doing when you're talking to people like me what is it that outside of the character stuff uh what is it what is it that you're looking for us to look at I because just right now I'm just saying a bunch of character stuff we're looking for things that's going to affect our pockets okay I got your question I got question um I want to say to you that if we are going to give someone a pass who has said the most noxious things about us and continues to than what we and because we're looking at our pockets which what in my estimation you're saying is if I make money you can call me the n-word and I think that that is really unfortunate um I I you said that we seem to have forgiven Biden for saying noxious things would love for you to source that Jo Jo um Joe Biden had a a working relationship with someone who said negative things but he did not Embrace those Nega netive things they tried to work together on getting bills but he never said I support the negative things he said so when you say that we've seen to given Biden for all those negative things we don't have a record of Biden um uh uh calling people the n-word we don't have a record of Joe Biden um saying he's going to grab women by their genitals we don't have a record of Joe Biden um uh uh discriminating against people um by calling them colored we don't have none of that when you try to compare those two those don't work now let me also say that it seems like the Trump supporters here don't remember that I actually went through kamla Harris's Harris's policies from a reputable Source my opponent didn't do that on the other side he just gave his own opinions which were proven false by several different sources we said how can you say that if this Source says that are you familiar with it he continued to say no so that's what actually happened do you remember here's a question for you a quick a yes or no question for you do you remember me running down kamla Harris's policies in the debate I do okay so why would you then say that I did not talk in the debate all right all right I said the reason I said he asked the question let me what I'm saying he never said that the reason I I I said that was because you I said that Tommy which means he agrees that he said that no he said what he said go ahead go ahead you did you did go through the bullet points there but it was all very very vague you're saying I'm gonna do a little I'm gonna yes those bullet points they there's nothing there's nothing detailed about that plan it was super vague they included dollar figures brother first all right come on man we ain't gonna be debating with the people that supposed to be asking questions Tommy you want to say something before I bring on Minister Inky yeah I want I do want to say this look they got mad at Donald Trump and they've been bringing it up that he said black jobs guess who said black jobs today Joe Biden they will not bring it up it will not be a problem what the young man dund deal was talking about was my only point we're arguing about he said grab him by the by the pee he's a xenophobe he's a homophobe he's misogynist to listen to a grown man say that another man is misogynist so therefore we can't vote for for him and yet we hear these women talking about nothing but women's issues including abortion that leaves men completely out of it and they openly say it my body my choice so then men aren't supposed to say anything at a certain point we have to then ask if if I don't have anything to say about your body why do you have something to say about my wallet we don't ask these questions because if you can put a child in a home and make it Award of the state or give it up for adoption and they don't ask women who leave their kids at um at firehouses they don't ask them who leave them at police departments they don't even ask them for any information they leave those children Scott free but if a man were to walk away from his kids scott-free we'd have a name for them we call them dead beats all right let me move on to minister Inky what's going on Dr in okay there we go all right so a couple of things um the first thing I think is that and I've been consistently coming on asking this question because if you notice if you look back to all the shows you'll see it's a hot spot we do not have a general consensus on what it means to be black so when we talk about even so so the concept of Camala and then extending from Cala to what are black policies or what are black uh benef what is what is the black community going to benefit benefit specifically from Camala or Trump we don't even have a working idea of what the black community is when we say this because some of us are divided between having an American experience versus having pigment in your skin so you even hear nuanced conversation being used interchangeably like black American versus a African lineage and and all of these different terminology to bend people's ideas so my point is this my point is this question Bari what is your definition of what it means to be black and Tommy sodomy what is it what what is your definition of what it means to be black I have never heard anybody say that to be black you have to have an American Experience because there are black people that are not in America there are black people in Jamaica there are black people in Trinidad there are black people in Guyana my mother's from Guyana there are black people all over the world when we talk about black people most people and you I heard you say that last time and I I did not get a chance to disagree with you blackness you keep doing that once a long time brother and I was let go um when we talk about so there are black people all over the world when I say black I'm referring and most people that say black we're talking about black people people that have African Heritage is when we use the word black I'm talking about people who have the DNA of black people DNA of people who originally from Africa I know that sometimes mostly conservatives try to make this semantic argument that people who are people who are European who were born on the continent of Africa are then African-Americans African-Americans don't agree with that assessment this is a a a semantic thing that that people on the right try to do that 99% of black people would just laugh at that and say that's you know that's not what we're talking about um with regard to africanamerican African-Americans are people who have African Heritage who are in America that's that simple if you want to actually say that you want to um speak to African-Americans whose families have been in the United States who were part of an enslaved experience you can do that but the term itself does not designate that the term itself does not designate that an African-American is someone who was of African descent who who actually is part of the American po let's let's just show you how ridiculous some of the questions I'm hearing today are what if someone uh was um immigrated to the United States in 1866 that means after enslavement was over and their family and they're from Africa right African desent wait you're not gonna let me finish that soneta there people I listened to him for a long time I promise I'll it's two minutes go ahead go ahead I go ahead go ahead finish hear it short let's say if someone immigrated to the United States who who was of African descent in 1866 now today in 2024 would we agree that they are African-American or is it just someone whose family was enslaved in the United States that's an African-American I don't think anyone would slice the the the um the bread that thin all right so here's the thing all right um hold up hold up Inky um Jack Jack you should be ashamed of yourself posing at somebody else bro that's what Chumps do fake Avatar that's what suckers do bro turn your camera on if you Minister [ __ ] I saw Minister did I see Minister [ __ ] in the CH that's that's not him that's what suckers do he probably one of them flashers man men up here but he want to show men his private parts these n these are crazy go ahead Minister Inky so what I was saying was um actually you know what I I'll let uh Tommy uh finish and answer to what his idea or actually this is what I was gonna say I was gonna say when I'm not saying either or I'm not stating that my belief is that black people have to have an American Experience or or just merely having the presence of melanin makes you black I'm not saying I'm either or I'm just saying that I realize that while we're listening to the debate conversation people are having the conversation is as if they are all in agreeance when if you listen closely you could tell that most of the people talking don't have a working agreement or consensus on what it means to be black so therefore you can't even really get a good idea of Camala in her sense of what she is and represents versus what the needs of the people are because we don't even have a good idea of what the people even means collectively so this why I'm saying while we having these conversations we need to get a good work and understanding of what it is that we think you know and so jabari's on the record breaking down what he thinks a black person is um I think it would be good to get Tommy's idea because listen when when uh Mark Lamont Hill was on just uh last week I think it was he referenced quarter Waters and and and being in the hood and listening to two short at as things that are required or or part of the quote unquote black experience so I'm just saying this I'm just saying these is real things as far as listen these are all facts you know what I'm saying so go ahead Tommy I want I want to hear your your what you think black you know how well it's just funny because uh when he said that nobody splits hairs like that but they have a whole large movement of people called foundational black Americans that actually do just that they split hairs like that and um when you think about the term black blacks in America didn't even want to be called black so it's strange that now we're trying to act like it's a well-known thing when blacks have gone through times in which they've been called anything from negro black africanamerican to color they've been called all of them because they've been called all of them it is a difficult thing to in my opinion define one of the definitions of it is a lot of people called it subsaharan ancestry indigenous Australians these were people they called black because of how deep the depth of the melanin in their skin tone but they also had like a paper bag test certain point in time you wouldn't be called black because you're not black they would say that your Skin's not that so therefore you'd have people from these other countries where you would see them where they look black like black Indians the black people in India are dark as me are darker call them black and they will say no you can call people in Brazil black they will say they're Brazilian not black I've known plenty of people who tell you I'm not black on the African continent they will tell you that they're their Nation not the color so it's weird that we can put these colors on people but not allow people to Define themselves because black doesn't give us a nation when we were talking about Nations before and Jabar was talking about it well black doesn't give us a nation and it's very difficult to get anything being black because that's a color that is not you don't own a Land you're not a part of something and they want you to call yourself black that's why they call themselves your places where they're from white people do so are you of the opinion that black uh doesn't exist black is like not a real thing I just think it's a way to keep um people from their from their real heritage to give them this word it's a word that they don't use you notice what they don't use white so why is it that we would use black so it's interesting you say that because Donald Trump says white people have been treated very badly he uses the term white so so so so hold on hold on hold you said they don't use the word ter the term white the guy that you're supporting uses the term White you the same way that when Jesus spoke to a lot of people he spoke in the parable in order to get a person to understand it's the same way that kamla Harris says middle class when she's talking to you and she's not in it but she thinks that you understand the term the person who's white but knows that black folks understand these terms he wasn't speaking of a black people Tom he knows there's a difference between himself and his wife he knows that what Donald Trump knows there's a difference between himself and his wife wife you don't think he thinks that she's white no I think he understands that there's a difference between those Russians he understands the difference between them versus the Europeans I don't understand what you're saying you're all over the map now I'm getting conf I'm I'm answering his question you know what I didn't do I didn't try to come at you with this stupid crap did I you got when people tried to come at you you know what you did every time someone questioned you when that woman you talk crap to that woman oh you didn't like the way she was talking to you but when he ask you this question he let you answer he then turns around and ask me a question and now you get to jump in and keep on trying to do that little thing that you do I'm not I'm not jumping there was no reason for it because I didn't do it to you did I you answered the question you didn't even like shanetta to cut you off when the time was up you weren't cut off I didn't cut you off you finished come on let's get back oh Tommy go ahead you got the floor let's get it back y'all I was talking to him he asked me the question all right come on come on for you argue my answer I didn't argue yours look so let's take it this let's take it like this look s you see what I'm saying I'm just demonstrating to you s just this is a clear demonstration that clearly every time I ask this question it goes so clearly this is where the misunderstand like this is where we need to have more discussions at so we could just table this for further discussion please man really really hold on hold on hold hold on now let me ask this let me ask this wait no I'd like to talk about that for a quick second briefly okay but hold hold I just want to get this in because other people in the panel want to go by yeah but you don't get to go forever hold on hold on I got go my wife yo Tommy man peace brother thank you brother I appreciate you taking the time don't leave Tommy I gotmy I'mma stop coming to Tommy Tommy can I say I just want to say this because Tommy might leave Tommy you and I do not agree on some things got a important one for you wait wait you and I you and I don't agree on some things but the reality is I think we had a spirited respectful debate and I want to thank you for that I appreciate it I enjoyed myself um the young lady was saying something and I don't want to be rude I know leave I want a really important good question for you and I want you go ahead Jenice ask you a question all right so it's kind of I'm going say it quickly reparations in California got blocked blocked due to the California Black Caucus and others including Gavin Nome do you think reparations this is the first question should be upheld in states that didn't have slavery two should reparations be handled on the federal level that's the second question and three which candidate do you think has a better choice of passing reparations bill should that be a qualifying factor in selecting a candidate I don't think any of the candidates will do it uh which has a better chance I think Trump would have a better chance of actually doing it because if you look at what is happening when it comes to um reparations I just don't think it's really on the table I don't think blacks should ask for reparations but if you ask for them and you get them great I'm not against that but when I think of what they're going to say which is why I have a problem with what they're doing over in Israel and what they're doing in Ukraine they're going to tell you how expensive it's going to be and it is to pay that money but then you should ask yourself well then maybe if we didn't send money over to Ukraine maybe if we didn't send money over to Israel maybe we could pay those blacks who we actually believe we owe so what you'd have to ask them each candidate do you believe blacks in America are old and like you said there are states that didn't have um slavery and then there are some blacks that actually had slaves so you have to then parse a lot of where this stuff is coming from who gets it and how and I think the problem with blacks is blacks are going to fight over who gets it that's where that FBA thing came from they don't believe that everybody black should get it all right do you think it should at the state level and also Jabar what what what do you say to it it will have to be uh at a state level because if you do it at the federal level then all the states would have to be a part of it but then where would you get the money from each state would then have to decide how they wanted to do it you would have Indians uh who felt like uh there a lot of black Indian tribes what do you do with them I I think that um with regard to reparations we need to prosecute this on the state level but ultimately it must be a federal issue because we're talking about a system that built the United States not really state by state there were decisions made about enslavement by States and those decisions became Federal decisions for example the the the argument around enslavement that went into the United States con Constitution was delegates from other states talking about how they would handle it right I do believe that this is going to need to ultimately be a federal issue but I think that we should first start by Prosecuting it on the state level there there there are going to be um challenges with getting it done but we have to create the ground swell amongst black people and people who say they support us so that reparations actually goes through I don't think either candidate KLA Harris or Donal Trump will will um kamla Harris is obviously closer if if reparations was a reality she would support it but the reality is if she says right now that she wants to give black people reparations she she ain't gonna get elected you better be clear about that this is a a a difficult issue but black people have to make it an inevitability we have to continue to fight so that regardless of whether there's a Democrat or Republican in office they got to come run that bread let's put it that way and so that's that's how I think that that's has has to be worked we have to continue to fight on the local level for an eventual um Federal um uh uh determination and with regard to this I want to also say I heard Tommy say that there's confusion around black Americans and that's why there's this title foundational black American but I think that the very fact that they put foundational in the front means that they're trying to distinguish one group of black Americans from another so it's not that they have disagreements on what black is they're trying to say we talking about these type of blacks so when I hear he and Inky talking about there being confusion around what Blackness is what African-American is I don't think that that that um that confusion is widespread at all well when that what they are actually saying is the term black was not used all the time except for when it came to speaking about Americans so they don't call other people black that's from Tyreek nashe tyreq n said that's not true all you have to do is look at his documentary on Haiti does he not I'm just telling you what he's saying now that's the equivalent of saying I'm just telling you what he's saying now it's the same thing Camala Harris said she's not saying it now me for a second clarify exactly what I'm saying wait a minute iny wait we're not Tariq nid is not going to say that there aren't black people in other parts of the world he's not going to say that that's the reason why he's distinguishing what he calls foundational black Americans from other black Americans if he thought that only people who had a enslavement experience were what we would call Black Americans there would be no need by definition for him to say foundational black Americans he's trying to distinguish a particular group that doesn't mean I agree with the with the way that that movement has prose I hear what you're saying but you should a look ask him he will tell you this he will literally say it he said that term black was used specifically for the Americans anybody who knows will tell you that that's what he said he said it was used specifically for them I'm not saying he's right Tommy you know what I'm gonna say right anything you know what I'm gonna say I'm gonna say what's the source for you saying that I told you I told you go to him because I could show you that was the source I said go to him but Tommy I can show you his his 1804 documentary and him using the term black for the people of Hai all right all right all right y hold on hold on Yo thank you Tommy um we gonna get ready to shut this down before you do can I just ask a question if you don't mind go ahead Napal about the reparations and then the aid um don't quote me because I know our brothers Jabari will definitely find this information out so I hope he can because I'm not sure about it but I I think since Israel's been a established as a nation we've given them anywhere upward from like 146 billion to $150 billion do uh since they were established as a nation what is what are we asking for as you know for reparations do you guys know anybody I don't know that's a real question okay so here's here's the answer to it let me answer it for you the answer goes back to the very same question that I keep repeating because the reparations is basically depending on which group which Pro reparations group you talk to the reparations is basically a per person amount of money so it depends on who you're identifying what population of people and this is where this whole concept of really getting the working idea of what it means to be Black versus black in America versus black in the global since you know because Camala has ignited the conversation people are saying it's Cala black and you hear people saying well look clearly she's a pigmented woman you know she's from India those are pigmented people and so in that context people can be black without even being from Africa these These are people that are from India right so then there are people saying hold on no if you didn't grow up in Wisconsin California New York Philly Atlanta Florida like if you didn't come from here or somehow have this experience within the relatively you know last few generations of your family you you know you don't count so either way you slice it we do have to come to the conclusion of what it means genetically or Nation or nationality like is it genetics or is it nationality is this something that could be changed with the wave of a pen or new identification with a new group time brother um there's talking about land rights and stuff like that in the land that was taken away from hold on hold on hold on npal you finished got no I'm good they're fine I just had that one question this was great you in the building Apostle you want to say something yeah yeah yeah I'm up in here man what's up yeah I'm up here man go ahead go ahead Apostle go ahead yeah so so here's kind of the thing I just kind of wanted to lay out real quick because uh we have like this disingenuous culture because you know like people would say well well well why would every black person get reparations that's extremely disingenuous and it actually makes no sense because like this is a tool that's used to Aus skate reality because before any black immigrant ever showed up we knew who black was so when Inky pulls up this nonsense about who's black who's black no no no no no no no no when we we go back to the the 1800s the 1700s we knew exactly what black was because there was no other black group that uh proprietary that were black that were actually coming to save our black ass these were black groups that were doing their own thing coming to America was not a popular thing to do so we want to play these games and talk about well this is black that's black no no no the only thing that was black was the black people here in America I understand people want to say like it's now cool to be black it's now dope to be black no nobody from Africa was coming to save us nobody from these islands who now these people want to claim to be black and try to say that it's all cool none of them never ever came to save us that was not on their agenda they had no plan to come and save us and and and I'll say this so when we have people like Tommy s mayor you know who say uh well who should get this and who should get that that is only interference by white supremacy because we have to look at it like this we have to say well if black is this and it's always been this now when we look at it this way people like Tommy s mayor and Inky they want to say well this is also black no no no no no there's always always only been one group of people that has been black now see as black people you know what we've done and I'll finish with this as black people what we've done we've invited we've uh draw in people into our struggle but don't you forget it's only ever only been us if you're these FBA people if you're these people to where you come from sons and daughters and slave it's always been us it's never been these other people who now want to uh uh ingratiate themselves or involve themselves into what has G on into our society it's always been us so I don't care about the Puerto Rican who may have a black mother somewhere down the line the Dominican that may have uh black parents somewhere down the line it was never y'all it was always the Sons and Daughters of the people who are black today that still has to carry that Banner today I know it looks funny I know it looks crazy but this is the Beed this is the flag that we all bear and a lot of y'all and I'm saying y'all because I want to distinguish a lot of y'all do not uh bear bear that flag but that's fine hey um before you go the next person um Jabari no I got Apostle next he was next Jabari don't you know um topat was over there today doing a show guess what the name of his show was Jabari what Jabari and sanetta jumps Judge Joe Brown in the debate we jumped him that's see that's that's lying he jumped him in the debate me and you jump just Joe Brown yeah I was jumping him stop don't add on to that debated him by himself I didn't get into the debate as a matter of fact you was doing it like the old school and you know you breaking it up a blanket on him put a blanket on him told him told him that he was fan how he could remember and come off the Dome and the way off and I I to you you need to also understand there was a moment in the debate where saneta and I had some tense words because I said stop trying to Big up Joe Brown right even know and sanetta was a little miffed at me that's my brother sometimes we argue right yeah yeah I like when you do that to me Jabari not and I don't like when you did either but we get over I think he hold on y hold on hold on let Apostle go Apostle want to go wait wait can I make one comment before Apostle goes to respond to Q man I'm I'm struggling here I promise it's gonna be 10 10 seconds apost it's never 10 seconds man I promise if it's if it's more than 10 seconds you can mute me all right go ahead go ahead Cube you said nobody came to fight for us research the Haitians that fought in the Civil War on the side of black people trying to free us yeah thanks yourbody grand opening granding nice try but nice try but no go ahead so when I so when I started uh my question I was trying to um basically tie down Tommy because Tommy brought up in the debate how when carela was running against Biden she brought up that he was a racist and a uh um an abuser so he brought up that issue over and over and over again so what I tried to do was get him to talk about since that seemed to be important to him what is the Republican Party those of the Republican party what are they saying about Trump especially Trump's now Vice President because a year ago Vance had a problem with Trump yep he was calling them all kind of stuff Hitler right and so but not just Vance several other Republicans were talking about Trump until they got partied and they saw they were about to lose their seats they stopped doing it they stopped but they were talking about it and I think that was an appropriate question sanetta whether you understand the position I was taken or not the second thing was was about what Donald Trump had to say about his plan he had an opportunity in debate to talk about his plan only one person did carela Donald Trump did not talk about his plan now I'm not talking about what he did last year what he did in 2016 I'm talking about what he did in the debate when it came up what is your plan he said he's working on it he being worked out he had no plan so if he has no plan today that trumps the fact of whatever he had four years ago okay so could even repeat that what he had four years ago when they asked him he had no plan okay so he had no plan okay concept ofans let's say he had no plan had a plan brother oh brother I'm talking about in the debate I'm talking about Donal Trump did not discuss a plan he had a concept but he didn't even discuss that okay he was act direct he was asked and he's been trying to overturn it for nine years nine years and no plan okay hold on hold on hold on hold on let me ask you this question both of y'all Apostle and Jabari biomics is clearly failing America the inflation is the worst that we've seen in in all of our lifetime Biden ain't running for president hold on hold on hold on hold on but Cala is a part of bomic the vice president is the leading advisor to has her own plan the vice president is the leading advisor to the presid president she's running for president now there she has the ability to put forth her plan and that's I'm asking you a question Marxist talk about Biden I'm asking you a question Marxism take Biden off the table Marxism listen Marxism she's not a Marxist I'm asking you a question about Marxism Marxism she's not Marxist hold hold on does Marxism create inflation no it doesn't it actually decreases inflation said she was a Marxism actually it actually decreases inflation and I can tell you why Marxism she did not you ask like that redir you had on yesterday you still got on today change your shirt iny oh my goodness they wanna they want to actually they want to actually say that kamla Harris should be called a Marxist because her father actually wrote um treaties on socialism right so if kamla Harris is the same as her father Donald Trump's father was arrested at a KKK rally eat that one because if that the standard you're using then Donald Trump is a clan member how do you address that then are you address move around hold on hold on are you answering a question with a question or is this gonna turn into what we saw during Camala versus uh Trump there's no way to answer that one was a three on one what you mean way to answer I as you a clear question what is what is the the the continued effect of us following this biomics plan which is basically a Marist agenda well before we do that can you give us a clearcut definition of what Marxism is just really quick so we can go off that I apologize Jabar I apologize jaar but can you give us a clear definition exactly of what Marxism G be able to tell you what Marxism is I know he won't but I want him to try to attempt to fail so we can then chastise him to show him that he doesn't know what he's talking about so please brother give us go ahead while looking at the screen tell us what is give us an extent listen I I want you to give us an extent give us an extent definition of what Marxism is how it's used and how would you would even use it in a while looking at the screen Inky because you're looking down because he's typing it in tell us what it is what it to you pick up pick up Nepal yo I'm getting ready close out y'all I got a roll I think we should this is what I'm saying right here this is how this is how y'all get Saved by the Bell and don't get spanked see what we going to do is you always come in late man you always come and hit the panel late that way you could have got it in I think I think um you and Cube need to get it in I was just gonna say exactly the same thing that's crazy I think say that I think CU will give you that smoke bro I wased mad times already what you mean let me let me help you out let me help you out and I'll tell you what Marxism is if you don't understand want help do you want help brother I can tell you what Marxism is because apparently what you're doing is bloting and you you are refusing fake icon hold up hold up hold up first of all you asked me a question then you created rules to me answering the question that got to do with y'all examining you answer looking at my screen or not hold on hold on whether I'm bring up Marxism wait a minute while at the same time we can't even see hold up we can't even see you we can't even see you let the [ __ ] bre to the fight you ain't never like the with the right sauce hell Des what the light let them roach [ __ ] bleed if they can't see TV what you can't beat they say that murder on my mind and it can't breathe take a picture the proof that your last pe oh need me love you just like frog might and let me gonna have to come on over and call Inky out man yeah let me get my own so I can explain it explain what Marxism is to these guys really don't know what it is bro they really don't know what it is jaari I'm out my brother thank you man I appreciate you once again as always we gotta put um Tommy Sodoma back on the list again on your list and um come over to the Channel Hey listen I'm about to go live heyo hold up hold up hold up Cube while I got cube here Jabari remember when cube came on and asked you questions before he's done it a few times what which one are you talking about is funny he he went over to a show and did a show called I beat Jabari up or something like that brain yeah I bust his brain bu this is crazy bu his bust his brain listen come over to bust his brain come over to my channel I'm about to explain what Marxism is what communism is and what socialism is go know what it is for some reason they they want to lump all of these things into one thing they don't understand what a cashless stateless uh Society is they want to lump it all into one thing uh uh KLA Harris is not a communist she's not a Marxist she's not even a socialist so yeah knock it knock it off we out of here peace and blessings thank y'all thank y'all for tuning in yeah peace too e