welcome to the midweek edition of legal AF don't adjust your dials sitting in for Caren Freeman e nifo is our friend and legal commentator from midest touch Dena dah and Dena we got to jump right into it I'll tell you I'll tell you who's not weird that's you Dana doll and I'm glad that you're here uh but we've got as a backdrop at the intersection of Law and politics so what we're going to talk about today we've got a surging vice president kamla Harris who's already taken the lead in the five major Battleground States she's done everything that she can do to activate all the major voting blocks that are historically Democratic but certainly we sort of hanging back when President Biden was the candidate but now whether it's genen Z or it's the black and brown Vote or it's women or people that support women they are not just voting for comma Harris but excited to vote for her there's a surge in people that have told pollsters by over 30 or 40% that they are going to now get off the couch and vote because of kamla Harris and that spells bad news for Donald Trump you and I were joking before we started the show today that I almost think now Donald Trump is purposely tanking this election there's no other way to explain his decision or whoever's decision it was and if it was his another one of bad judgment to go in front of a group of black journalists and question kamla Harris's Blackness nothing like an old white guy who's a racist to question the racial Identity or ethnicity of a candidate I mean it's almost I'm thinking like you know if you wrote a script of how do I throw the election and how do I get my opponent's constituency to get really enthusiastic to vote for her this would be the way to do it and so against that backdrop we're going to talk about and of course we got JD Vance which I'm I'm trying to come up I'm not Michael Cohen but I'm trying to come up with Nick names for JD Vance I think drag coefficient on the ticket is one the legend of beggar Vance is another he is doing I mean all Donald Trump is doing is doing damage control about his vice presidential candidate which is the exact opposite of the Do no harm is what why you pick the person and if and if kamla is already ahead in the polls she hasn't even gotten the convention bounce or the vice president pick bounce and Donald Trump High High Point has got to be convention Butler Pennsylvania whatever happened there and um and Mara lago's indictment getting dismissed which we're going to talk about here that's his high point he peaked in July but we got an election in November and we've got cases to talk about here and here on the midweek Edition we're gonna talk about Merck Garland in his own way finally responding to the criticism that he doesn't know how to do his job or he he mistakenly appointed a special counsel that wasn't properly empowered or funded he screwed up the whole Mara Lago thing we're gonna hear from Merck Garland not live but we've got we've got some uh some clips of him and his fight back and what it means for the 11 circuit appeal that will be resolved before this summer is over about aen Canon's outlier Rogue decision against the weight of Supreme Court president going back 50 years to dismiss the indictment because she doesn't think the special counsel is a uh is valid uh or or anything like that speaking of of Judges who do know what they what who KN who do know what they're doing and aren't weird our operative phrase today we got judge chuckin she is going to be holding a hearing in mid August we're already in August effectively about how to put that DC election interference case of the real not imagined valid not invalid constitutional not unconstitutional special counsel Jack Smith and his DC election interference case she got a lot of work to do she's going to be on vacation so we're not going to hear from her till about the 12th of August but we kind of have an idea of what she's going to be handling we wanted to give people a little bit of a um a little bit of a viewing guide about Judge chuin and her next Hearing in that particular case and then we'll talk about what else yet another leak uh at uh at the Supreme Court of another abortion decision I mean what is it with this supreme court and a and women's productive rights they just can't keep their mouth shut and it only uh creates a negative impact on our perception of the United States Supreme Court and their integrity and I I think their integrity is in is in shreds and against that backdrop of that event we've got vice president Harris who's who's the who's gonna gonna be the nominee for president of course and Joe Biden in his last remaining days going after uh what people are demanding the Reformation of that branch of government and we're going to talk about the various ways that the Biden Harris Administration are going to do it and why this may be the exact right moment on the heels of all the scandals with Clarence Thomas with Alo um the new leaks that we'll talk about about the Idaho decision on abortion and the one that came out two years ago in the do decision this might be just the perfect Exquisite timing uh and something that KLA Harris can uh uh make as part of her closing argument to the American people and in her future I guess debate with Donald Trump Dena long-winded introduction glad you're here oh my gosh so much there and yeah she's electric right now and the chances of her winning means all these legal issues against Trump continue so it's a really exciting time not only for her to be president for those of us who want him to be held legally accountable it makes it more likely too and just real fast about your comment about JD Vance like I I he may be saving democracy not only because he's a dragon a ticket but because Trump can't be a loser and maybe he can point to JD Vance and blame him for losing rather than try to overthrow our government today again because he can't lose so let's see what goes with that but maybe he needs a scapegoat let's be honest right yeah yeah I I agree I mean there's already there's already talk that um Trump may try to fire Vance using Joe Biden reshuffling the deck as his example look if anybody's going to use an example I see somebody in the chat tonight saying and I'm not sure I disagree with this I want to get your opinion somebody in the chat tonight is saying you know what Joe Biden should do on the way out he should exercise his pardon power which is unfettered and pardon Hunter Biden yeah let's end the long National nightmare that is the hunter Biden Affair once and for all and put it out of its misery and you know what um I uh what do you think you think you that's a good question from the chat what do you think Joe Biden would use his unfettered pardon power it's it's he's got the right he's he'll be on his waiting could be the 1159 the last moment before he leaves do you think he does it and do you think he should do it I think he should do it I mean it's tough because you already said he wouldn't do it so he might feel like he needs to stick to that but that was such a political um you know conviction I think actually if Biden doesn't feel like he can do it I think Camala Harris if she wins should do it I think that should be over and um so one way or the other I do think he should be pardoned and I and I hope Joe Biden doesn't feel like he has to stick to what he said because that was I think just beyond by um convicting him yeah I I agree well and it could be the the first great thing that that KLA does she'll do a lot of great things in the first 100 days in the first four years or eight four four first four of her eight-year uh uh term there and what we're watching with Kamala and then we'll switch from the politics to the intersection of law politics but it's so important we're such an important moment now we'd be remiss um if our Network didn't pivot and talk more about the surgeon candidacy of kbell Harris who so deserves it you know it people are like well God who is this person she's so appealing she's so so charismatic she she has so much leadership and a body of work you know right because when she was vice president there's another job to be done which is your second and you stand behind the president and you don't you know you're not even though I think she was a co-president in the way that Biden was for Barack Obama or the way that Gore was for Clinton you know I think she was a partner in that in that office of the presidency there was a president and there's things you can and can't do and things you can and can't say you can't speak your mind I mean Joe Biden was Notorious for speaking his mind when he was Obama's vice president but he was also an older guy that was prone to saying things out loud she's not going to do that she is a cautious careful charismatic leader but what we're seeing seeing is her making her case for being president of the United States not a continuation it's not an elevation it's not a promotion it's a whole another job and it's a whole another closing argument that this is what we're watching and what we're watching I think I want get your opinion on this is Donald Trump now that the flip the script has been flipped all of his old hack needed uh old guy jokes are gone because he's the old guy now right he'll be the oldest person to occupy the White House if he were to win so forget that and then it points out so poignantly his inherent racism and he can't help himself I mean we saw it in this in this mindblowing interview and Midas is running Clips on it of of Donald Trump in Detroit with black journalists like I mean whoever let him do that should be either fired or given the Congressional Medal of Honor if this leads to his loss which it should in at election time but just pointing up a 59 year old um woman candidate who's also proud of being both black and being Indian and whatever else she self-identifies as and she has the right to do that to see that up against Donald Trump is g to drive him mad and we're just watching exam if if what happened in Pennsylvania didn't cause him to have PTSD going up against kamla Harris now um is Will so let talk about comment on that then we'll talk about mer Merck Garland and how he's he's finally fighting for himself and fighting back as well I mean I saw that comment that Trump made kind of like everyone else in the news and it was just shocking I mean we know he's racist but to it's like he keeps unraveling the onion and it gets worse and worse you know I'm um Multicultural I grew up in a multicultural family my father is an immigrant and my mother was born here for years and my father's Arabic my mom's European and I'm like how do you not get the concept that most frankly people in this country are either biracial or grow up in a multiethnic home I'm like really like are you that clueless and you think this is a good argument like he just shows how like un um how disconnected he is really to the American people so I I don't know he keeps shocking me in a bad way and I don't think that certain ly like it adds at all to any of his um consenters but it seems to be like the Playbook he's doubling down on the racism he's thinking it's helping him JD R Vance you know to me it doesn't work and it's just kind of disgusting and frankly I don't understand how you could misunderstand millions of Americans and still think they're gonna vote for you it's the last gasp of this party they're they're intellectually and morally bankrupt and hollowed out um the country is is getting Browner not whiter that's a good thing and more diverse they they they want to you know they want to get into this whole Dei and you know oh the the bridge collapsed because it was a Dei mayor and the border is out of control because it's a de they fell in love with the whole you know um you know all the attacks that that seemed to land successfully during the black lives matter movement now ring quite Hollow when the candidate against you is in accomplished woman who self-identifies however she self-identifies she does black I mean she went to an historic black University she was a member of a historic black sorority I mean the fact that Donald Trump just woke up and figured out um you know how she self-identified is not is not the measure of her character or you know or um who she is as a person but but we just have to keep pressurising Donald Trump because the more tired and exhausted and set upon that he is by media like legal AF and midest touch and the the Comm Harris campaign which is doing a masterful job of responding almost in the immediacy to anything by the time it's it's coming out of his mouth like a cartoon balloon they've already got it flipped on him with a meme and a clip and Her speech I mean am somebody told me I might as touch I don't know if this is true or not but I believe it because I was told by our people that that she's using the same people that Biden was using but it's in her hand in her hands with her vitality and her energy and her own lawyer prosecutor you know like you and me lawyers who who who know how to make a point and make it quick it is just I mean we we we remarked on when Obama had you know Pluff and Axle Rod people forget who these people were who helped get him elected but but right now she's running a Flawless campaign we can't take it for granted we got to work hard for her about Merck Garland because he's he's taken a lot of flak he's not weird but he's taken a lot of flak and um he went on a a recent um interview in which the it was like a wide ranging interview they talked about the Secret Service which is sort of underneath doj and and different other Homeland Security and things and they got to the point about aen Cannon the judge in southern district of Florida who decided to dismiss the entirety of the indict because she found that Jack Smith is a figment of our imagination that he's he's not he's just the he's just a guy he's just the stranger he's just Jack Smith he's not a special prosecutor or counsel at all he has no powers and he's not funded properly and the indictment should go by the wayside let's hear from Merck Garland who's finally spoken up and spoken out about whether Jack Smith is employed by the Department of Justice and whether he takes his ultimate marching orders from somebody named the Attorney General judge Eileen Canon and ruled that the way the justice department has been picking special councils for decades is illegal unconstitutional why do you disagree with that look I uh as you all know I picked this uh room for this interview this is my favorite room in the Justice Department it's a law library for more than 20 years I was a federal judge do I look like somebody who would make that basic mistake about the law um I I don't think so um uh our position is that it's constitutional and valid that's why we appealed I will say that this is the same process of appointing special counsel um as was followed in the previous administration and the special Council Durham and Special M Council meller in multiple uh special councils over the decades going back to Watergate um and the special prosecutor in that case until now every single Court including the Supreme Court that has considered the legality of a special counsel appointment has upheld it right so that's a very good point that that that General Garland made there John Durham who was a special counsel uh who was part of the the the Russia investigation but was under bar he was made a special counsel by Bill bar ultimately by Donald Trump and nobody suggested that Donald Trump didn't have the power through his as attorney general to to create John Durham John Durham spent millions of dollars to do nothing and invest you know he brought one prose he brought three prosecutions they all failed nobody got convicted and it was a ridiculous charade but nobody challenged that and what and for our audience what the what attorney general Garland is talking about and I'll turn it over to you Dena about it what he's talking about is back as far back is 1974 in a line of cases involving Richard Nixon you know the then uh the then um attorney general acting attorney general because attorney general's went to jail under Nick okay uh he was our first criminal president who was caught um and a lot of people went to jail around him including some that are now Talking Heads and have been on our Network and have given interviews but you know at the time they were criminals and they went to jail but the um uh Robert Bourke people might remember was this close to becoming a Supreme Court Justice but didn't make it he was then the acting attorney general and and before the Watergate commission which was a bipartisan boy remember those days bipartisan Congressional commission investigating what the heck happened with Watergate and who what heads should roll he made a promise that he would appoint a special prosecutor that special prosecutor became Leon jorski if you go back in Wiki and history you'll see Leon jorski was the prosecutor for most of Watergate that was based on a promise that was made from the acting attorney general to Congress they were like okay that's fine and they so that's the start of it and and his powers were validated by the United States Supreme Court who enforced his subpoena power as a special prosecutor then we had an independent counsel for a period of time under a congressional statute and then that that spawn things like the kenstar uh Whitewater investigation and and uh what became Monica lowinsky and and her allegations against Clinton everybody hated it on both sides of the aisle and got rid of that in independent Council role and instead it was replaced by the Department of Justice exercising its rights under the Constitution under the Attorney General to appoint a inferior officers that report to the attorney general including what's called special attorneys that are listed in the Constitution and that's exactly what uh Merck Garland did and every court that has looked at it every court but aen Canon every federal court citing back to us versus Nixon the Supreme Court president has upheld the validity of the of a uh of a a special counsel special prosecutor whatever you want to call it not alen canon new to the bench appointed by Trump in 2020 no no 93 Pages she decided this has been done wrong all this time because she heed the call of Clarence Thomas right who wrote his concurring opinion in the in the case about in the immunity in the um in the immunity case and said hey aen this is my paraphrase my artist rendering hey why don't you why don't you argue that the special counsil is invalid and then you get rid of the whole indictment right on Q three weeks later she did exactly that talk to me about how you're seeing Merck Garland and why do you think while the appeal is now pending before the 11 circuit why is Merrick Garland taking to the airwaves in order to basically uh give his position oh I loved that hearing Merck Garland because for Merrick Garland those are fighting words like he is the most um you know even kill person out there and when he's angry and I wouldn't want to upset somebody that smart and with that much power and that's what they've done to Garland he has been trying to be so reasonable and I think he's catching up to the rest of us you can't be reasonable to unreasonable people but he has acted you know he was very moderate when Obama went to appoint him to the Supreme Court at the time he had voted very similar to Kavanagh over all these years on the DC cour of appeals he was a very moderate to maybe even slightly conservative and put into this position as attorney general taking it very seriously he's so professional tried to always seem a above board and this has finally gotten to him and you know what good like let's get him fired up uh he's definitely fired up in that interview he's frankly like just shocked um because the fact is a judge Canon what she tried to do was create new law you can't do that as a district on the district court level you could do that if you're at the Supreme Court level but you can't do it at her level she's just supposed to follow the law it's very clear the law is that's special councils have been allowed they allowed that congressional act that you mentioned independent Council to lapse because they thought it was unnecessary and all these years since then everybody has acted as if the the current you know the pre-existing let's say Congressional statutes toward attorney generals allow them to do it so this is her trying to create new law and the thing about Judge Canon and I say this um a lot when I talked about her is because people uh often talked about her criticism saying she wasn't very smart and that's just giving her an out that's not it uh she came from um Gibson Den Crutcher the same Law Firm I came from and the same Law Firm Ted olon came from if you remember Ted Olsson he represented Bush and Bush Vore um it's also got some liberal Lions they Ted Botros was the one that filed the lawsuit when Jim Jordan was trying to subpoena Alvin Bragg just recently in the New York da so there's both sides but there are some really high-powered political lawyers come out of that law firm it is not a coincidence that she took a Justice Alo who is nearing retirement right and you said like she he called out to her and she heard back and she was auditioning like hey you can step down I will um rule as you would want to rule that was definitely like a um conversation let's say between the two of them because it was not based in the law and Trump and she did it in front of trump who she was hoping would win and be able to appoint a Supreme Court Justice and you know you know because a lot of times we see that right we see justices step down thinking that another Justice like them will go in their place we saw that when Kavanagh was replaced um I think it was with Brier that because he had clerked with him before so he was comfortable stepping down thinking he was going to replace him so that happens so she was clearly auditioning for the role of a substitute for justice Alo and frankly the only way to stop that is by having Camala win in November which as we talked about is looking really great but we still have to go out there and vote uh but that's what she was doing and um so you know this is this she's making it political but I love that Merck Garland he's he's he's got his uh he's got his he's got his fight in it now I think in a way he didn't before they have they have ratcheted it up and I wouldn't want to be somebody who's on the other side of Mer Garland once he's uh fired up yeah um and for those that are I'm watching the chat for those that are want to watch kamla I agree go watch kamla she's come back we're here we're here we'll be here all 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miracle.com lalaf to treat yourself thank you Miracle sponsoring this episode and we are back we got a lot to talk about let's Jump Right In and have you take the lead on the um judge chuckin case chuckin DC election interference Jack Smith for counts Donald Trump now returned to her what do you think when do you think it's gonna happen what do you think's gonna happen and is this case ever going to get back up and running before the election or between the election and the inauguration oh great question I mean thank goodness we have judge chechin in charge here because this is not going to be an easy task the Supreme Court basically sent it back down with her some with some very broad but vague direction right um as we know they separated the actions into article two actions which have absolute immunity pres other presidential actions which have a presumption of immunity and private actions while he was president that have a no immunity at all so what's going going we basically know at least a little bit of what's going to happen when she comes back from vacation the parties will to get get together as a status conference and most likely she's going to be asking for briefing as to what and um you know what they each think right like Jack Smith is going to argue that most of the actions are private actions maybe um also some of them have a presumption of immunity but he's really not you know going to want to say anything have absolute immunity whereas Trump's lawyers are going to say that they all have absolute immunity so she's going to ask for a briefing for them to really kind of try to put forward their arguments as to what the different charges involve what different actions involve and give them a chance to like flush that out most likely we're also going to see Trump's lawyers try to put in this special counsil argument now that um we have the judge canon in Florida saying that it was um you know not proper they would be remiss not to try to make that same argument with judge chuckin we don't see judge chuckin agreeing with that like judge Canon but they're goingon to make that argument so they're going to have these um have to parse out that's what judge shuin is gonna have to parse out I think we're going to see briefs before the November election at least I hope so at least some uh sort of briefs it is true federal courts go very slowly I think everybody here following along this knows how slowly this is but you know they the parties knew this was coming and they've also had this opinion now since the beginning of July so I don't think it's unreasonable for her to give them maybe 60 days let's say to file some sort of briefs Jack Smith should hopefully ask for it even sooner um you know because there might be this election go not going his way he should try to ask for it to kind of go as quickly as possible in terms of like any bright um uh precedent let's say we see you know Trump was already sued civil right for a lot of these same actions by the capital police officers that were injured and others and and he tried to dismiss that lawsuit saying this was involving uh my presidential actions and so therefore it should be dismissed because the law prior even to the Supreme Court before this was that a president couldn't be sued civil for any of their official conduct only for their private contact so he tried to file a motion to dismiss and interestingly the DC court of appeals did not allow him to dismiss that and in particular one of his own appointees noted in his concurring opinion that the camp pain money was used for that rally that day where he gave that speech like inciting the mob to go to the capital that speech was done with campaign money so he's so so you know they couldn't say as a matter of law that his actions that day were official it was going to be an issue of fact and so that they can then try to win like an a summary judgment motion but they couldn't overcome that hurdle of emotion to dismiss so we'll see Jack Smith certainly in their briefs making those certain those similar arguments he has the briefing already from those civil lawsuits that he can pull from and see what the DC court of appeals did for that so there are um you know we saw the Supreme Court opinion mentioned his his conversation with the attorney general and how that was considered absolute immunity we see the just see DC court of appeals um saying that it was not as a matter of law official conduct in his speech at the campaign so there's already some you know let's say parameters out there in preced that we have some idea maybe if judge chuin will go but there's a whole lot in between that again like thankfully she's the judge in in charge because one um she's just been very professional in her handing of this case and has done it very efficiently and hasn't slowed it down unnecessarily like judge Canon but also this is going to be difficult it's going to be a big ask legally to be the first judge to to apply this broad yet vague Supreme Court decision but I do think we're going to see something in writing from the parties before the election yeah I yeah I agree with that and and just for those that are tuning in late Karen you know this we start getting in the Summers and that sometimes means family and travel and things like that and so Karen's doing great um but um wasn't available right at the moment that we usually do the show so DEA D who's kind of becoming a regular standing and and has joined us on Saturday editions of legal AF when Ben was getting married with Karen and has done uh duets with me and and we're doing a lot more of them especially about the United States Supreme Court and the decision there which we're going to talk about next we're going to try to cover the Supreme Court regularly and together I'll fill in a couple things that I know or I think I know um the reason that there's been a delay even this long is that there's a certain amount of time after the United States Supreme Court rules before the Mandate actually gets turned over to the trial judge in order to execute on it and that would have timed out about the 2nd of August but judge chuckin as somebody said in our chat wisely picked up on Judge shutkin had told the parties that unless there's a trial she was taking her regularly scheduled vacation she's entitled to a vacation nobody's been under more pressure as a judge than judge chuin death threats uh racist uh voicemail messages left on her uh voicemail she has secret service now guarding her um the person deserves vacation and so she's taking her holiday and but we think she's back somewhere around August 12th and I think that's when she's going to call the parties together for this conference that you're talking about to sort through all of these issues and and I'm not sure she actually has to spit out the deadlines 60 days out she's done things much quicker in the past when it came to um the immunity decision uh for instance she had them brief it within two or three weeks um and rendered their decision I think I think given the political calendar the political timetable even though it's not driven by that I think sensitive that the electorate and Donald Trump the thing that Donald Trump never likes to acknowledge is that the reason that the public has a seat at the table of the criminal justice system is so that you can clear your name in public so you don't have a cloud over you if you didn't do the thing uh and that gets resolved quicker trials that are postponed three and four years about criminal matters just means that people think you're the fill-in the blank the rapist the fraud the the Espionage violator the obstruction of justice person for a longer period of time for him because he's tried to argue that the entirety of the state and federal Criminal Justice System except for his judges are against him as is all you know uh then he is the opposite he doesn't want to clear his name he thinks he doesn't need to for his base is red Maga meat red meat eating base um which may be true but he's not creating any new voters uh with this strategy he's only activating and energizing his base and the base you only each person in the base can only vote once and in order to overcome the Electoral advantage of the Democrats especially now in the hands of kamla Harris who can now who can now run the table in the states the way that Barack Obama did and bring together those groups the way that Barack Obama did even in a way that Joe Biden didn't we love Joe Biden but Biden got elected at a very anomalous period he was able to campaign from the basement during covid this is not this is this is 2024 and this is a whole different generation of voter um and so she's the right person at the right moment in time and he is a relic a racist Relic from the past and that's what we're watching play out over and over again whether it's the speech that she just gave in Texas or whatever whatever it was so let let's um so I think it'll go a little B faster I think we we'll have it should go faster we'll have some sort of and then the last thing I want to leave out I don't know the answer to this I'll just put it out there deposit it for right now is that Jack Smith also has to make his own decision whether he's going to go back through a grand jury and he is going to come up with a new indictment of Donald Trump that comports with the July 1 ruling by the Supreme Court on immunity or he's because that would that would sort of solve the problem you remove all of the things in in there that they had troubles with and you just re-indict now it would delay things because you got to go through an indictment process you know take you several weeks to probably get that up and running and then you'd have a new indictment and then the clock sort of starts over I'm not sure he wants to do that if I were him I would just let Jud jkin do her thing use her surgeon's knife figure out what falls into each of the buckets figure out what happens to the two extra counts about obstruction of an official proceeding and try to get the wheels back on this wagon you know rolling towards a cave May more likely to towards an inauguration of hopefully K Harris than anything else um I was going to turn unless you had something else on that I and I want to uh and I want to get to I want to get to our um last topic which is about the Supreme Court New leaks new information and the uh new plan that the uh uh Biden Harris un be Harris uh campaign are going to um try to do in the Reformation of the United States Supreme Court anything else on chuin no other than let's get it going so glad to you know that the excitement around Harris makes it so much more likely that this is going to continue because if she wins this will continue which is huge that's a really really important indictments against them relating to January 6 so again so glad it's in her hands and I'll be hugely excited if it comes before 60 days so we'll get a chance to talk about it see than later yeah and on the Fly we have an amazing for that you know sometimes we just shout out their name and people don't realize that we have an amazing production team that supports all the podcasts all the content providers all the hot takes um we you and I and others know them by name um I've I've met them in person I've taken them to lunch and dinner um one of them was at my baby naming on Sunday I mean with we're a family and uh the leader of that pack is uh is Adam saltan so we call him salty and and on the fly like well while you and I are talking he and I are going back and forth with hey do we have a clip on this and we do so we talked a lot tonight about about this this talk about weird Donald Trump is weird weird and racist and his his decision to go into the lion's den and give an interview with black journalists and in the same moment just just you know what was that show on television or that book stupid crap my father says and just stuff he says out loud that are just inherently racist including attacking a person's personal identity of how they identify in terms of race or ethnicity or religion or whatever and kamla is firing back and we have a clip we all here remember what those four years were like and today we were given yet another reminder this afternoon [Applause] Donald Trump spoke at the annual meeting of the National Association of black journalists and it was the same old show the divisiveness and the disrespect and let me just say the American people deserve better the American people deserve better better the American people deserve a leader who tells the truth a leader who does not respond with hostility and anger when confronted with the facts we deserve a leader who understands that our differences do not divide us they are an essential source of our strength so I say to Sigma gamma R Sor Incorporated ours is a fight for the future and it is a fight for Freedom when she was when she was inaugurated with Joe Biden I got hair that stood up on my arms in that historic moment and to watch how far she's even come from there and now she has this in she's she has naturally this infectious way of laughing off and smiling the way that Barack Obama did that you know that is just so perfect she says so she starts to to to smile and the audience is she has the audience eating out of the palm of her hands at that moment and that comes from strength that comes from confidence that comes from she is not the same person even four years ago that we saw and and those kind of speeches the hair is back up you know up on my arms um which is a great sign because that usually means good things are around the corner what do you think about kamla addressing her sorority um and and how she so has so craftily and so instantly uh responded to Donald Trump earlier in the day I think smiling and laughing at him is such a perfect response although he is like a threat to our democracy it gives him like a stature that you know he likes and laughing at him he hates that and I think it's a perfect way to handle a bully um and she's right about the disrespect I mean the party who used to want government less government right that used to be the Republican party it was all about small government and now it's like because really whose business is it what race she wants to identify with or what race anybody wants to identify with whose business is it if people want have children or not or what gender they identify with or what sexual orientation they want to identify with it's just disrespectful like she said in that speech and it's like none of their business and I love how she says it but she says it with a smile which is the perfect way to handle a bully like Donald Trump oh yeah I I I have a um a colleague that works with me and appropo of nothing although she knows what I do for a living here on legal AF as I walked in the office the other day looked to me and she said I'm a childless cat lady and I'm not only voting for kamla Harris I'm bringing 10 other people with me yeah uh and and that is the difference that will make KLA Harris with our help the first female president of the United States it's it's the difference yeah it's the difference really as much as people liked Hillary and I'm not here to pill Hillary okay I'm not here about that but but I and I voted for Hillary of course but I had trouble getting 10 other people to go with me to vote Hillary and that was the problem I mean when I was sitting at a table of professional women and men mainly women and I was the only person voting for Hillary in New York that's a bad table that's not gonna happen with kamla um when I when I voted for Barack Obama and supported Barack Obama and not only voted I got 10 other people to vote with me for Barack Obama and that's what we need to do as a collective here on the audience the mightest touch network is not just vote it's to register to vote other people it's to get people to vote who have never voted before and to vote in this direction I just got another text from people know I lived in Florida for 20 years and I've always been on the legal team for the Democratic party every presidential season when I lived in Florida and a voter in Florida I could be inside the polls and helping to guide and make sure that votes got properly cast and people that showed up with the proper ID or or whatever they needed to register properly got to vote that day and then when I no longer like four years ago I went down to Florida I could stand outside and coordinate with the Insiders about what I was watching and observing there and I did that out of my old polling Precinct I just got the text to do the same thing this coming you know this coming election and I'm G to fly down to Florida again and I'll be assigned to a poll in a Precinct and these are the kind of things that we need to do all right it's a contact sport it's a participatory democracy and so I'm not worried about um the might as and the might is mighty and the legal aers but the people in your lives in those concentric circles around you get them to go do something I have people that I met when I was covering the Trump trial and you were covering the Trump trial down at court and I bumped into some legal aers who saw me doing a remote and we started talking they said we live in well were they in Pennsylvania no they were in a state that was definitely blue and they're like our vote doesn't matter I said it it right so go fly to a state where registration and voting matters go to Pennsylvania go to Georgia go to Wisconsin go to Arizona go to Nevada go to Michigan go to places where it matters and help on the ground work a phone bank you don't have to be a registered voter in that Community to either get somebody to sign to register to vote or to or to or help people to register to vote or to work phone bags you don't and so these are things that when people ask what can we do that's what we can do right oh absolutely I mean I do the same thing I'm legal voter protection I did that for North Carolina in 2020 same help with the law but I've done so many non-legal volunteering things I've postcard I phone banked I've canvased you don't need to be a lawyer and in Georgia when we won that special election in Georgia California there were more California volunteers helping that special election than any other volunteer so to your point you don't need to live in the state you don't need to live in the state and to me the people I always hear people say I'm so busy right that's usually the worry and that you have to take on more than you can do I'm here to tell you you can do as little or as much as you want right you sign up they they're fantastic at training you it's a really usually quick easy training so easy um for non-legal stuff so easy and it's okay if you can't do that much if we each contribute like an hour of 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or attorneys that are working polls it is so rewarding to be around like-minded people that you would never normally pass in the supermarket on the street and maybe not know you know because we don't all wear our political affiliations on our Our Sleeve although I have been known to wear my legal AF shirt out um and start a conversation but but it's so it's just so energizing and rewarding and you really do feel even though hundreds of millions of people vote and that you really do feel if especially if your candidate wins like you made a difference um and I just I can't I can't put into words the feeling that you will get especially if you're on the you know you're on we're on the right side of history and we have a president uh kamla Harris for those that join late sometimes we use phrases and I we're very careful about trying to educate at the same time that we we talk but I use the term earlier I I caught on the chat some people didn't know which is it's Dei which is diversity Equity inclusion that that is we used to just call it diversity there used to be um offices of diversity uh at companies or um or in universities and that was a way to make sure that their their um employees their student body their fill-in the blank were diverse and then it became diversity equity and inclusion um to bring everybody in and then in order to make that a four-letter word Maga adopted it every time they could try to tie something back to a brown or black person or a woman they would say oh that's a Dei hire in other words Affirmative Action they didn't get the job on their Merit they got the job because of That's So when that's the code word when you hear them call KLA Harris a Dei hire by Joe Biden they're saying she's not qualified just like they're saying oh well she took her two times to pass the bar exam believe believe me there are plenty of people that didn't pass the bar exam on the first try JFK Jr I think he had may have rest in peace he had I think four times to pass the New York Bar it's a very hard Bar California is one of the hardest bars but she passed the bar who cares I know plenty of people that failed the CPA exam many parts of it before they became wonderfully talented practicing uh CPAs it happens in professional licensing areas but anyway that's what Dei means I don't need to go longwinded on that we're g to talk about the things that you and I are going to do a lot more of come the first Monday in October which is the start of the new term for the United States Supreme Court if you hated the last two terms you're GNA hate the next term of the United States Supreme Court we're going to try to make sense of it by having regular Duets uh where you and I get together to talk about the cases maybe about or arguments the briefing and things that matter and we already know the lineup that's coming there we got a case or a new development that's happened at the United States Supreme Court with another leak of another opinion about what 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or whatever it was we got this decision that seemed to allow at least for temporarily for now the Biden Administration position that mtala the emergency medical um uh Labor Act and all uh which required that a medical provider provided abortion in case of the uh of um health reasons about the mother or life or death about the mother um and that and that mtala esally for hospitals that took federal aid you know Medicare Medicare Medicaid that kind of thing rather Federal funding which they all do that they would have to a doctor even in a state like Idaho that had a near total ban on abortion under mtala they would have to give the abortion if the life of the mother was was in danger was at risk and that was one of the ways that President Joe Biden he'll go down in history as one of our greatest presidents I am sure he was able to with a with executive law after he ordered let me just talk about how this happens he ordered all federal agencies and heads of his federal agencies to comb through all regulations under their remit and come up with things that he could do without congressional action because of the do nothing congress the do nothing mag Congress that he's been Shackled with for the last two years or more and come up with ways through executive order or interpretations of existing regulations on the books that he could help women and and and uh and Elevate them from second class citizens that don't have the right over their own bodies and try to put back a measure of Reproductive Rights and autonomy over women one of the ways they came up with was m tala and this we got a ruling it was a perum there was not really like a majority opinion there's all these concurrences we're like what is going on with this decision and now we got a leak that's happened yet again let me just leave it this way I've been a lawyer for 33 years I studied law in you know from 88 to9 won at a at a pretty good University pretty good pretty good law school okay and I've been following the law and a student of the law ever since we have never had we've had books written this is different we've had books written like the Brethren and some other books by Jeffrey tubin about the Supreme Court that like two three five 10 years after a decision talk about some Insider things that happened right you know like the the clerks would talk to the reporters or the journalists and we get oh that's what happened 10 years ago but in real time in the same term a leak never we had it during the dobs decision which was actually in draft leaked um and now we have it again about what happened in Idaho talk about that what do we think it means who do we think the leaker is do we think more leaks are coming and what does it mean for what Joe Biden's trying to do from now until January 20th at 11:59 am and what it means for kamla Harris moving forward uh in terms of her presidency and as they address this third co-equal branch of government I don't think we can overstate the palace Intrigue with these leaks uh like you said for us lawyers this is huge we saw the leak with DOs this leak evidently this the leaker is saying there's a lot more leaks coming I think this is um a a reflection I mean there's so much outside the Supreme Court we're seeing right the the vi ations of the ethics with Justice Alo and Justice Thomas and and we're seeing them overturn precedent with DOs and with this absolute immunity decision but now that you can see basically the infighting I think of this of the Supreme Court with these leaks there's uh there's definitely one or more than one people there that are kind of attacking it from the inside because these leaks are not good for the court this particular leak interesting and and it's interesting like you say so far it's all been about abortion which as we know like that's a big issue for uh justice Theo so this latest leak they they decided after hearing the oral arguments that they were going to decide 63 to basically allow Idaho to continue not to give life-saving or care to women and and not give the abortion um and then Justice the Chief Justice did an interesting thing which is not assign a draft was it because he was worried about a Dos leak maybe and then during their private negotiations they changed their mind and instead of ruling on the merits they did this procedural decision that kind of punted the decision so for now it's like status quo and it's punting it it's probably going to come down later and so leaking these private discussions that showed that Kavanaugh um Amy con Barrett and Roberts were the ones who went from um kind of upholding the strict Idaho abortion ban to punting it later I think it's probably their way of trying to put pressure maybe on those two justices to get in line I imagine they're going to be hearing from the Leonard Leos and the Heritage foundations of the world but we don't really know right this is where the palace Intrigue is we don't really know what we know though is Chief Justice Roberts is rapidly losing control of his court we saw with the opinions this latest Absol immunity opinion is something I think Justice Roberts never would have wanted to do I think he put his name on it in order to try to show some semblance that he has control of the court and now with these leaks he's losing practical control of the court and the interesting thing is when they did their investigation over the dobs leak everybody was um interviewed under penalty of perjury under oath except for the nine justices because they like to put themselves Above the Law like everyone else no wonder they didn't find the leaker uh so it'll be interesting to see what chief justice Roberts do how serious is he about finding the leaker will he bring in somebody from the outside will he make the justices go under oath what what is he going to do to prevent future leaks because according to this leaker it's going to keep coming so between what the Biden Harris Administration is planning on doing in terms of the enforcable ethics code what AOC just did with her impeachment articles I did a video on that here for my it's a founding that impeachment um filing here seeing everything all in one document it was so thorough we're we're getting a shift here Republicans for a long time emphasize the court we are catching up I think we're catching up rapidly and I do think this is going to be a very interesting time for the core between the leakers and the new ethics enforcement and all of the the um cases they they have coming up on can chief justice Roberts get this under control or will he finally realize he needs to do something that will be interesting to see yeah I think I think Joe Biden and um when Klo becomes president they're going to have to do the things that they can do without a constitutional amendment um Court packing is one of them uh the Constitution doesn't require a number of justices we just kind of settled on nine eventually um and so it can be done another way way it's not through presidential Act of course the Supreme Court will have something to say about it they always try to get involved with their own power and authority um but you know expanding the court would be nice term limits I like that idea uh and then things like having an independent Council that's baked into the Constitution that will require a constitutional amendment maybe we've reach I normally would say maybe maybe we need another Constitutional Convention maybe we need to get together as a people with the right people in charge and figure out how to amend certain aspects of the Constitution hasn't been amended for a long long time when the Equal Rights Amendment died a slow death yeah there's an argument that it passed but um but there you know the fact that that that an equal rights amendment for to make women equal to men that could not get passed in the 70s 80s 90s and even through today is tells you something but um we're going to follow it all all 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