THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL. >> REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> GIVENS JOURNALISM CAREER SPANNED NEARLY 45 YEARS IN LAS VEGAS STARTING AT THE LAS VEGAS SUN AND 1978 IN ANOTHER 12 YEARS AT THE LAS VEGAS REVIEW JOURNAL. AND WE'RE JOINED BY ONE OF JEFF'S FORMER COLLEAGUES HERE AFTER BOTH OF THOSE NEWSPAPERS, STEVE CIVILIANS SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER. AND STEVE, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THAT VERDICT THAT WE JUST HEARD? >> YEAH, I THINK I THINK THE FORMER DA ROGER WELL, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT JUSTICE. THERE WAS THERE WAS NO ADMISSION OF LIABILITY. THERE WAS NO TAKING ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT HAPPENED. AND SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT UPSET ABOUT VERDICT. YEAH, THERE WAS 3 DIFFERENT OPTIONS THEY COULD HAVE PICKED THEIR ONE WAS WITH NO NO ELIGIBILITY FOR PAROLE THERE. SO IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THAT COME DOWN. I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED MYSELF. >> WELL, EVERYBODY KNOWS JEFF CHAIRMAN AS A SERIOUS JOURNALIST, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST KNOWN ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. I'VE MET PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME ACROSS HIM OUT AND THEY JUST SAY HE'S KNOWN FOR HIS JOURNALISM AND BUT ALSO A GOOD FRIEND RIGHT? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. HE WAS. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, BUT BEHIND THE SCENES OF, YOU ENJOYED, YOU KNOW, HANGING OUT WITH FRIENDS. WE WOULD WE WOULD GO AND PLAY POOL. WE WOULD GO AND HANG OUT AND TALK ABOUT THE LOT OF THE ISSUES OF THE DAY. THERE'S YOU THERE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE THERE OF JEFF HIS COLUMN PICTURE FROM THE LAS VEGAS SUN. OF COURSE, I FOUND THAT IN THE ARCHIVE AND IMMEDIATELY SENT IT TO HIM BECAUSE IT WAS AN EMBARRASSING PHOTO. HE WROTE BACK. HE WAS NONPLUSSED BY THE ROW BACK AND SAID THAT'S WHAT A SERIOUS JOURNALIST LOOKS LIKE. AND SO, YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT WAS THAT WAS HIM. HE HAD A SENSE OF HUMOR. YEAH, YOU KNOW, BEHIND BEHIND ALL THAT AS WELL. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME ACROSS. OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GO TO PRESS CONFERENCES FROM THE NEWSPAPER IN HAD GREAT THINGS TO SAY ABOUT JEFF GANNON. HERE'S ONE OF THE MOST RECENT PHOTOS. >> THAT HAS BEEN USED THROUGHOUT THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. THIS CASE, I BEING A JOURNALIST MYSELF AND FOR YOU AND TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED HERE. I MEAN, IT REALLY >> SHOCKED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO WATCH WHAT UNFOLDED. YEAH, IT REALLY DID. THERE'S A THERE'S A PICTURE ON YOUR SCREEN. HE WAS ON THE WALL OF THE PALM RESTAURANT, WHICH IS A WHICH IS KIND OF A HIGH HONOR THERE. IT REALLY I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WE WE ALL DONE STORIES THAT HAVE ANGERED PEOPLE. AND WE WHEN WE GO ABOUT OUR OUR JOB, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T THINK ABOUT, HEY, THIS COULD BE THE STORY THAT, YOU KNOW, ENDS OUR CAREER ENDS OUR LIFE. I THINK