The Conference of Churches Hour with WendiAnn Ruffin and Guest Gloria Payne Banfield Friday 30th …

hope like no other reaches me in the forness of your grace in the power of your name good morning and welcome to the program this morning it is a great day to be alive even if a little bit of rain is falling that's a good thing I'm very sure that we are happy for that as well good morning and welcome to the program well we have a lot to talk about so it's as well I just introduce my guest my friend and let's go from there so Gloria is in the house this morning although it is the fifth Friday but of course Gloria mix up that good morning I mix up you put the blame on me yeah I'm like good morning viewers and listeners we start to give trouble it's a pleasure to be with you again I really enjoy these programs wonderful well I I know for sure that a lot of people enjoy it as well that's a good thing I like your top but one must talk sense well of course but it look like if we talking enough sense because I mean they keep coming to listen so we have to be saying something good any let me stop teing in you already the morning too early for that actually that is a Grenadian thing you know is that a Grenadian thing when we say the morning too early for that so like you have certain things you could do in the morning like you you shouldn't C in the morning well not that we not that we encouraging cing not at all I'm just saying there are certain things that when you grow up once it you just wake you would say look it too o for that so is that a Gran thing I don't know I really can't claim it but I have a feeling because you you hear it and I mean I grew up with it and you would still don't sometime this week something my son tell me my son you know and said Mommy anyhow it to only for that and said one thing I know you know that thing we say when we say in truth yes that a gradian thing well it is but it comes from the crayle in truth but why do we say that because yeah it's almost like if you want people to believe you for sure for sure are you sure in truth in truth truth it comes from the French actually we we we we had um a French friend who heard us who heard me saying it I said you say that too oh really and I said yeah is it French ah and a lot of things that we say they we say it is like a direct translation of French like it make hot yeah for sure that one yeah it make hot yeah their constru is ill show they don't use the ver to be hot like use the verb H to be they use a verb fair to make right to make so that's why it make hot make hot yeah and and really and truly it actually make hot you know it make hot it's making hot it's anyway how how do we get into these things so all in the program it's a matter of communication you know communication true our our method or our our cultural form of communication mhm is is if you don't understand it you think we take talk in another language trust me but it's sweet like it's sweet like oh but you see look at I was just saying our language sweet that's what I meant you see how we get to there that's what I me when I said it's sweet I was referring to what you was saying the fact that we have this collage um coming together to make what we call our Creole I mean it's just beautiful but he we we say that too it's sweet yeah instead of it is and anyhow I really believe I can't say which one is better because it's not about better clearly who gets the meses over yeah exactly because we suddenly get the mees when I say it's sweet I remember in school as a teacher sometime you ask a child how old are you and the child stand up looking at you and I just say how much years you have oh how they call you how they call you how they call you and there is no there is no misinterpretation there oh not at all uh you know so sometimes you give you you use the Standard English and it's like what happening what is happening here and then you just use Creole and everybody gets it at least everybody here well yeah our like like like if you ask a little child where it is MHM you see do you live mhm they look at you they you know where where where H where you know it tell you up the road or down the road it's always the road and the road has a very big significance in our language the road yeah you take it on the road wa wait you make you play mask on the road one minute let us at least tell the people although by now they must realize where we going but we did not even say what we are going to do today but we went into it Gloria does that to me she I give her everything this morning she does that to me once she starts I just get excited okay so today we are going to we are already looking um and we'll continue to look at those sayings that are mostly most of them we hoping to identify those that are very Grenadian so as I said we already he started it so that is what we are looking at today there's one enough we do toward the end because it actually is going to hold some significance to the programs that we do in September so we'll talk about that for the last little bit of the program but we are looking at as I said those things that we believe are very Grenadian right goad back well for the first thing I want to say is that language and communication is very important to our people mhm you have to be you have to understand what you're talking about and if you don't for example if I say crap will smoke your pipe mhm you know what I mean by that well I know the phrase but if I say I fully know what exact I assume it mean that you're in trouble you're in trouble ah right you're in trouble smart crap smoke how that came end up for a c to end up reaching by a bip well this is the problem that you put things together which you know what they mean yes but you can't when you when you take them apart yes you can't break it down to see how that come together like a C belly Crossway C belly cross how you manage to reach each in a c well I mean and that alone of course suggests that you're in trouble to that one is a that's in trouble but is a different type of trouble to Cle smoking your pipe well I think it's a little different okay I can't really I know I could say it I know when to say it and that's the thing about us we know when to say it but we really don't know what it really when you break it down mhm what it really really crappo is a crel word for frog right um wait so the cppo is not the to yes C the C the Frog wait frog is the one that stays in the in the water well mostly well actually but no they're all amphibious so but you see the land one hold on a CPP is not the ugly one the uglier one on the line I don't know I really don't know all I know is they all ugly and I don't want them near me okay we are not you're not bashing and and and and and and um there's also a saying what is what is fun for children is dead for because school children like to not school children children like to stone crap with to death I don't know why yes yeah well it's true yeah that one is literal yeah for something about it apparently I don't know but yeah they would Stone cppo but again we say cppo and not frog frog we not saying frog we saying crap toad so that's what I'm saying we not saying toad either but the crappo is the toad because toad is the ones that are more that we find more on land that brown you know what I mean the Frog We tend to find more the little they are different that's the point but um because on an inator too we pour they pour salt what what is that for I don't know once they pour salt and then they go away I thought they die they die they go away they they don't like salt interesting okay yeah right okay so back to cppo smoking pip and you're in C belly Crossways I don't see the relationship at all how you get there mhm but I suppose maybe that is what it is because how did you maybe that is what it is how did you get into that situation the thing about it is that we know when to use them mhm those phrases yes and maet now I don't know what maet mean I know I know it use it I they you yes it maet is similar to C really is well no I mean no K has a whole but I could break down C okay break it down and then we because te is Earth in French t r r e oh is French of course course cuckoo cuckoo is anything that you stir up and you like we make a cuckoo yes withn yes so you store that up you store mud up is a c store up of Earth yes ah yeah you stiring up Earth really yes what I just thought cck is that you well all the things that we did in C because has a whole life you know I know that mhm so but you know the thing about but then so why some people call it nana I don't know because Nana is supposed to be a kind of a kind of stir up all right one minute let's just take a quick break we are going to be right back and then hopefully maybe somebody from the audience might even be able to give us some of these answers we are exploring it this morning let's take a a break the houses and t-shirts are available for purchase early bird prices regular adult t-shirt for $35 children's t-shirt for $25 or upgrade to a polo t-shirt for only $45 call 473 459 4612 to place your order now let's live Church build community and serve country we are Grand Cath and proud your [Music] handside a very [Applause] [Music] big you are my St St like no streng like no well I don't know if anybody sent in some of the information but you can help us explore today right so we still on K and N the difference well if there is a difference I don't know the difference in some parts of Grenada they use different words to mean different things that too yeah yeah true um but stupidness maybe you're making stupidness well because n you're just making stupid not real but is that Ma too well I'm not sure because ma is how we use it how do we use it so well actually yes you're right because how I've heard mauet being used is that what um based on what you see someone doing if you find a person going through a whole lot of unnecessary you know maybe maybe problems or they putting theirself in a situation where um it's unnecessary so you're kind of tying up yourself now you say what maet is this almost to say what's choppiness but but I I we could be kind of wrong but um but we really need to explore because in the firstes some of them we definitely know like C because what do we do inside of C I know CU you had to have well everything in C was fake well except the mud because the Sal the saltfish was um this thing from the you really no we used to use the thing from the co from the coconut tree that fiber looking thing oh yes yes you know there's a thing on the p on the coconut tree when you peel it off it literally look like the back of saltfish but but the the BL St you know how it comes in yes no if we played with blogger we would have get into a lot of trouble because the Blogger have most stain so how you explaining why all your clothes stain up well so you in trouble for that so I know for sure we used to use as I said that thing from the coconut tree yeah and then we really thought it was a wonderful thing when you get quote unquote yeast from the from the wood from the house I didn't know is because your house falling apart toite toite eating your place but for us because you have this little thing that looks like yeast but all the time is because the person this is it with your house um it's going downhill from there but we used to collect that because you have to sell yeast so it was that one and then the bread fruit that's that thing from the bread it look I don't know the name of it now the thing inside no it it comes out before breakfast start flow no but it's a long yes a long thing like a it's a fler yeah but it's form know okay but that long thing it almost looked like a hot dog on a stick so that's what that was bread well that was bread yeah yeah yeah that was yeah that was so really and truly you were playing shop you're right we were playing shop and play but when was broken Crockery huh you didn't use plate plate money no I don't know what that is you love Crockery plates and sauces and things that you throw out in because you you you you cut them up you and you use them as as money what you use as money what we use as money leaf leaf as well as Mark it out you used to make money you used to sit down and make money yeah you're making out dollar and and $5 and things so we used to make money so maybe that well you know was a time when we didn't know anything about dollars correct so because of course we we used to I mean you had battery and you had all of these system but wait let's not go into money yet G I find you looking excited to go hold on let's let's just finish um cuck because inside of Cu you had to also make thing out well more than what and cook yes the mud and water the the mud cakes the mud cakes mhm and bake it you bake it you put it in the So-Cal oven whatever you had as an oven yes children's imaginations it fantas of course and it didn't it was it was really at work when we didn't have any tablet and phone and whatnot that's right yeah really really interesting mhm because the things that we came up with in order to entertain ourselves I I it was much more creative than what is there now it's much more cretive much more affordable that too and um you know to me and you're playing and it's constructive play MH like some people don't believe that play is constructive that don't know what place not only constructive is very necessary especially for children and it's part of our education that is necessary as you say yeah yeah definitely but how do we Okay so so that's how we could get to the ring games right H because a lot of our values come from those ring names you know really I would think so if if you're singing If you sing um um the farmer in his D the farmer in his what the farmer in his in in his um a a a yes in the in the da the hold on hold on you know you know in I think it's a Grenadian thing too where we just just say words that we think sound like what it's supposed to be okay yeah I thought the for all these years I thought the F wasn't a den not a den the den is for for for for Lions right but then so what is a Dell a Dell is like a farm a little farm I suppose oh so the farm in this D and then what happens hi ho wait wait hi ho the da what is that daro that has to be an English English that's the English that's the English in US mhm of course we always celebrate the French but we don't celebrate the English the only way we celebrate the English is playing cricket cricket is a very English game yeah but a lot of things we obviously got it from the English well I mean we here speaking English yes but the question is whether we're speaking English or we speaking Grenadian and then when we speak in Gren and creole we should we should learn two languages mhm English and creole well actually we learn I think what because what is taught in school is English but what we speak to communicate is creole Grenadian cre and and and and we I think every Grenadian speaks at least two languages Grenadian Creole and well say at least they could speak others not every Grenadian don't speak Grenadian cre like at all there that there are some people who will Pride themselves not to understand the they're missing out on a lot they don't know how much they're missing out on especially when you go to the market when you go to the market you got to speak R to get the price the good price yeah of course because if it is that you want to pay the The Standard English man price and then go right ahead and not price that like like I spent some time in Jamaica going to school and I had a friend who who whose brother was married to a a lady who grew up in England so she spoke English like the English she goes to the market and she says um how much is the Gango peas they call pigeon peas gongo and she get some high prices and my friend said Alma ask you you sell you going mhm how much you are sell your going go M that's like something out you know another language you get a nice good blow price so you got to get with it yeah yeah yeah how you going you see how much of that how much that exctly how much for that but how much for that that is that is a gradian thing yes definit how much for that where we where did we get that from again again the the mixture mhm the mixture because a friend of mine again who who study languages she um she she was interested in the African languages she says our inclination to repeat ourselves yes comes from the Africans the the Africans they they they would say when they want emphasis a didy mhm and we said did they yeah we say that but and where we get it there from that is French because you say saaka and the answer is mua mua is I am there what are you making saaka what do you making what are you doing well I am there then the the African would say i d day so hold on so the Dey our day because we that's what we is you I know it's there but what how do we explain because we use that day to mean I'm there as in I'm here but we also use it um like if we saying um I just day well you're just there you're just there there there is there is a very interesting word apparently because like you might hear somebody say I don't they home now right true that I'm not I'm not home now mhm but we understand what they mean I don't they home now yeah I don't they home or I just or I just I they I do H wow yeah so then you have the the African ancestors they added the the emphasis I did they so I there I'm so I'm here here yes I'm there there ah so right here I'm right here okay so I didn't I didn't they okay I not didn't I didn't they so if somebody comes and says um well they might ask where were you where was and then they say I didn't there yes well you again you're not there so right because of course didn't know is shot for didn't not okay I wasn't there exactly NE I didn't there yes but you say I didn't there but some people don't even say didn't I didn't didn't they yes they do that I didn't what is a who you know just just going through it could almost give you a little headache you know and then of course and then of course the um whole business of telling you reverse back that's a Grenadian thing yeah but we got it from the African ancestors again that is the double you seen it twice mhm if you r you're going back already exactly so we being redundant but we being redundant but that is redundancy in standard English for us for us but is for you to really know that you're going back you have to reverse back you reverse back ah and then they talk about um you fall down Have You Ever Fall Fallen up well of course we never even thought of it because it's true because once your fall is down you're going that's right we fall down H but it sounds sweeter by saying you're falling down and then there's two things rain falling and rain coming mhm hold on now that you're calling them out yeah rain falling and rain coming is it hold on that was French that was French or that was that was that crel and then that car is always is present before the verb mocha Ali mhm I am going right Ali me yeah I but the car has to be there before the verb I do not know the significance of the car perhaps Dr margar Joan Joseph who has done a lot of research into the crayle might have been able to explain that but she has God bless and her rest of her soul she passed I hope she's written books oh yeah she has she has books she has she has written books all and there is a CR Society one I know into that sort of thing so so it rain coming and rain falling I want I want that one because I usually say we say both we say but is it a is there a separate time because we say rain fall in rain fall in and rain coming rain rain coming is when it in reach yet in reach yet it's set up to oh you say rain come a rain going come but rain the the verb come is used for the the the the action about to begin right but not be not doing oh boy mm so you say rain coming is mean that it's it's setting up to come oh boy okay I getting a headache yeah man I tell you but it's amazing yeah yeah but yeah because just trying to dissect it is a different story alog together because we say it without even without dissecting it no because if rain come in in truth it it can reach yet but when it fall in when it fall it actually it's here so you have and but then we still have ring going come rain going come or they say it's set up yes what do I mean by set up but I know right but you set up and outside is looking dark and gray and mhm so it's set up to come set but yeah but that is it right there but here think about it it's set up it's like it's making an appointment so you you set a date or you set a time so they actually make a lot things make a lot of sense you know it's just so practical that I think we maybe we even overthinking it now but yeah it's set up so it's it's set to come to come is making up you always say it's making up too yeah it making yeah it's making up to come that making that making that fair verb you know m s Fe what are you doing what are you making ah I'm make I'm about to make rain some Cloud about to make rain well true wow it's making up to come Jesus I love it yes I do too but dissecting is is is interesting when you break it down when you break it down so our our our Creole is quite interesting and it should to me it should be taught um so that children would understand now in the playing field they speak crle Oh yes most definitely they don't talk English uh- pass the ball pass the ball is pass ball pass the ball you're saying what send the ball to me no I know but well yes but we we well okay well I would I for a while in my head send the ball oh yes it's true send the ball pass the ball but pass the ball yeah mhm but I think we have mixed the thing up so much that there are times when we not even separating the we we mixed it all it is communicating mhm when we communicate we understand each other perfectly yes but then so for example like that example you just use with pass the ball in net ball however you actually have to make a pass yes so then if someone is looking at it you might be thinking that pass the ball is a standard English phrase because of course you have a similar phrase there inside of a particular game yes but one is a verb and the other one is are know true mhm a pass yes I made a p yeah that's different yeah yeah yeah yeah mhm to oh my goodness mhm that is amazing it's lovely yes it is it is and when people come to the show The Visitors and this this this is something that we have to to remember they are speaking different to us oh yes not English necessarily some of them speak other languages yes but if they speak in English even then it sounds different true but okay what how do we break down I didn't um I didn't go there so he come back to the same there I didn't go I remember when we were when I was a teacher of grade8 I don't even know if they have grade eight anymore maybe not but what was what would have been School leaving class we used to have a in um in language arts where we will um translate the cre too and they had to do that as an exercise just like how you would be teaching different aspects of grammar and so forth you had to do that to translate because of course the students were using it obviously to communicate orally but for them now to function and write it down they were obviously writing down well they're not even writing down the Creole because then there's passes in English MH are so low they just they're just bordering on average yeah yeah yeah you know because it because you see even if you have to because we can speak the Creole very well but even to write even if you were to write the Creole there's no standard spelling yeah yes there's no standard spelling for it that I think that is the biggest issue but we but Jamaica has gone a really I mean they have gone licks and BMS and years exactly and they are I mean they really they they they have preserved their language they have they have I mean wow they they even have a Bible in it well they don't even they don't call it pwa and we should not call it P it's not P well because pwa is a broken language no we don't speak it's not a broken language it's a language of course so um we call it it is and a beautiful one too but I I believe because even those of us as teachers who would say for example to a child um speak standard English but you yourself just after you tell the child that you go right back to speaking Creole because it is of course your first it is your first language so um getting cold ah we will We Will We Will during the break we are going to high theyy but listen um just for just before we take a quick break for the for some of the persons who have Creole Bibles because I know that there are Creole Bibles mm one is coming I know that people have Creole Bibles let's take a quick break and we are going to be right back theosis and t-shirts are available for purchase early bird prices regular adult t-shirt for $35 children's t-shirt for $25 a upgrade to a polo t-shirt for only $45 call 473 459 4612 to place your order now let's live Church build community and serve country we are Grand Cath and proud lift your [Music] handside know for my a very [Applause] [Music] big thank you streng reaches all right well we are back our sneezing episode is over I think they um the AC went down yes it it did well for you mhm and one of these days I mean I know you're not a doctor or in the medical field but we'll talk about all the other reasons why now you sneezing but sooner or later one of those episod might come on on me which is sweating but anyhow we'll talk about that another time so right so we I was getting a finished getting a lesson on the Creole but I was just saying before the break that like in Jamaica I know that they went as far as to have the cre Bible yes right they do there was one little issue though when it came to the part I mean I don't want to make it sound humorous but when it came to the part where they had to translate um where the Bible records how Jesus how the Holy Spirit overshadowed um Mary for her to be filled you know to to have Jesus that was an issue there because for Jamaicans they will say the person breed the person but the Holy Spirit claim didn't breed Mary so because there was obviously no intercourse so there was an issue I really have to get the Bible to see what exactly ended up being the translation maybe they would have just simply left over shadowed because you you you cannot go so changing up that you totally remove the the original meaning from the text but that was an issue there because there just like with every language one word in one language can may not necessarily be able to be translated exactly with maybe even one word you might need a whole host of other words there to break yeah to be able to bring about the same meaning so we have we have that as well okay Grenadian um things that is more as I say mostly grenan let's go back to the ring games uh and they and they and and as I told you they they they not only um were for the entertainment of the children but it also helped the value system for instance the one about the farmer in the D right oh yes we know what a d is but the the it's it's about a family and it talks about the the farmer takes a wife M and the wife takes the child true I never looked at it that way yeah and this is not my thing there there is a lady from Trinidad who explains the whole thing about the wife taking the child and the child takes a nurse the person who takes care of her ah um and and different people and then it get right down to the cat and the cat R air I think the cat ended up with the rat didn't somebody had the cheese and the cheese yeah something stand still which what the cheese that had to end up for himself you know somebody end yes and the cheese because the rat had to eat the cat I think ended up cat eat the ratat eat the cheese but then when everybody has gone the cheese stand still don't know how we got back to there but yeah but even then we have to to be careful how we teach children things like that because um all right there's another one that that that we did um green gos you know that one among the bush and a bow shall be and a kiss shall be what is that quoting it's a quoting song so most of those games and Rhymes were about something yes well okay um I I remember the one hold on so the green the green guava in the bush yes so what about this guava they just a GRE but maybe the green guava is the fact that it is a virgin girl but most likely possibly but um but there was always a bow and a kiss after the bow in other words may I um there another question may I um but first I heard that game really M we know the one um well well we can't show it here but you had to go down to loy oh yes that was a popular one oh yes of course anything that had waste in it was was very popular among among children so you had to but what how it started again oh my goodness I can't remember how it started um I can't remember how it started but you had to go down to Loy and then there was another one one start to the co man house on fire what the co man gone away really and I send me something to the out the fire down there really yes hold on which coie hold on so the coie of course is a mixed yes the co man I've never the man house man house on fire I think that g away so they send the something something about water to to to to the fire down there and you go to lyyy Fire and you come up the heis heis who I don't know another place was a place most likely but they stop singing that and they stopped playing that no but those games and I mean there was a lot of exercise going on there man it was wonderful oh yes okay I didn't even I didn't realize about remember about the K man house it was the K house fire ah not gone away of course cuz he had right so somebody know have to help him out oh the fire don't yeah you see yeah we bring back the language again is there mhm and then of course you had the one about um the brown girl in the ring right what was obviously there's a colonial one where they were telling us about BR children mix mixed children oh really you suppose there's a brown girl in the ring yeah but but what the other part have to do with colonialism maybe the in the colon Asos people started to come up with the mixture of the African and the white ah right right but again the children weren't give weren weren't being given a history lesson or a anything to do with with uh that kind of mix mixing but we assume that there will be brown people but of course because of the mix so the brown girl in the ring um but I've heard that most of the Rhymes has most of them have a double meaning um even like Peter that was that was a pumpkin eater and he have a he had a wife and he couldn't keep her they it it it is said that you know so most of those Rhymes and games and whatnot were speaking about some thing more than what was just being said or children just having fun but those that we are just mentioning are they Grenadian Grenadian I don't think so or so which one which games that we had were really purely grenad for example mables I know mables is not a Grenadian thing per se we do it in Grenada but it was it didn't not originate from Grenada I know that for sure but which ones you think would have um may have originated right here do we have games that would have originated here I don't know quite frankly I grew up doing them because we just have them singings we call them ring games and you go WR in a ring and and it was always about um bows and kisses and gifts to you know know um I just say the beginning of quoting um getting you aware that boys are different cuz the boys had to do certain things and the girls oh yes because right there in the game because the actions are being played out oh so that not like when somebody says what is the difference with a boy baby and a girl baby and and the answer is um a boy is blue and a a girl is pink seriously that is some that is a response that somebody gave no I mean that is because we we always learned that you buy pink for girls and blue for boys and of course now we know that's a whole story all by itself now well no you you dress them in anything exactly okay now seeing that we have and and I and I really believe that a lot of people that a lot of us if it is that we talking here Heritage and we talking culture um and we we would hear people saying things like oh let us make sure that we preserve Our Heritage but I believe that the question that I just asked a while ago which is what exactly would have been you know what I mean purely Grenadian or maybe there is not there's very few there are very few things that's purely that that that you know pal Stone when you have to do that and then you you get you hope your hand get out of the way yes and you hope you yeah well the the the the um the the song to they sang with that with um Wily Willy Nana you know that one and I don't know what language that is Willy Willy Nana Willy Nana Wily willly buter monkey L pend then what what that's a language maybe something from Africa I don't know but this was really so that is what had to be sung while stone is going around and you're going around you're ponging and you're going around mm um I don't know what you learn from that but they don't play it anymore I don't think true well I don't think that people knew it because some of the games you have to know it to pass it on for example we how many persons play Chinese skip but Chinese skip is a really complicated thing in a way if it is that you're not agile if you are not if you could be the jump then how you passing on this game so we I I believe and I mean even inside of our 50th anniversary and all of that we you hear people saying things like we need to you know preserve our culture we need to tell the children um tell young people you know but um even those of us are older let's be real um Chinese skape you have to go you can go or should go as far as up to the neck how many people you know could hi um high jump like that because the taller if you shot like me you could get you might get away with it because at least when you reach by the waist if you're tall you might fight up but when you reach I think they used to go up here too I don't know I never play you never play Chinese skip really no no no Chinese skip is a beautiful thing but as a I said it have a little bit of complication so all your stockings you know your regular stockings when they get a a run in them you would strip the stockings and of course you well you had to have just like regular skip you had to have two persons on either end so if you are there I am over here and then there's somebody to play the game so you so the the the the the string would be a very long string but the string had to make it's like really and truly like a ccle almost well it could make a circle but the point is the string had no beginning and no end that's the point but so the string will go over me down at the ankles and it goes over you right so whereas you skip you use your hand this game is played with your feet and the person who is actually playing the person who turn that person had to jump onto with both feet and it had to land on the strings on either side because we holding it and then they have to twist the card the string into a diamond yes with your feet it's amazing and then jump out of that thing so when you take your feet and you turn it into a diamond you are in the diamond you see just like how you remember they used to do the diamond thing with your hand right so imagine you remember you used to start off with this long string so imagine you playing diamonds or doing that game with your hand but you're doing it with your feet it was amazing so when you if the person got through with the ankle so they jump out so now they're out of the of the thing and now the you will bring it up to your knee and now they have to run and jump and hold on that thing at the knee but the card is not leaving the KN you know amazing cuz every time they jump down you have to the people who are holding the C will go back a little bit so you you keep the line said while they were I can't remember if there was anything being said you you're hoping not to fall I think that was what was being said and then you do the same thing and now you get out but then by the time you reach your waist well woohoo because now you have to run and jump and keep the two feet on this thing at the waist and then as I said you go all the way up and I think neck was highest well you don't know most people would not reach neck you had to be really athletic for you to and as I said very agile for you to even reach up well half the time you ain't even reaching the waste you out so whoever it is that when the highest would um you know would obviously win you never play Chinese SK I never played Chinese Skip and you so but you skipping I played was just regular you miss out on a lot it was a wonderful thing but as I said imagine now is someone with all due respect to persons who have you know weight or whatever but if if you you have to as I said you have to be agile to be able to play the game so we can talk culture and we can talk Heritage and all of that but I first of all we have to know it this generation has to know it to pass it on to the next generation and I think that's the challenge and that's another thing about Generations M for example this and I must say this Carnival M that we are playing now is not the carnival I knew right it's this is a generational thing the now generation wants to play uh and make sure everything is bare naked mhm mhm and we never played naked Mass before well apparently so maybe that is what it is maybe maybe maybe you have because I I mean I'm not into carnival at all to be honest but I noticed when I was passing along on lag um Lagoon road that there was a a sign and it was you know encouraging people to play saor Mass um I don't know much about the S mask but for sure um the people well dressed because you have on your s the S col there a wholesal outfit that is an attempt being made by um Chrissy lashton to to bring back type of so did so saor mask used to be played in the past yes M used to be played and they they they call it fancy some fancy Sailors so they have you know the big bell bottom pants and stripes on them and they you were pretty M yeah and that came from the war from the war world war the second world war yeah there was a base in Trinidad mhm and and and and and after the war um quite a lot of battleships used to come to our ports M um for to to for the men to have a a a day off or two days off okay and they would walk around the town and you see all of them in their sealer clothes and and they took that and they made a mask out of it so most of the mass well of course obviously would have had some kind of significance in the past yes so well well clearly going almost naked like people are doing now I don't know what we don't have a culture we we don't have a um background for that a history for that well well I wouldn't say that we don't have a background for it but I don't you see I am biased mhm I believe that Carnival is about mascarade about people disguising and that has to do with either some historical thing or some cultural thing like for instance the wild Indians right and the question is whether you call them wild Indians or War Indians but they they they they I know them as wild Indians yes and they don't wear much clothes because they didn't have much clothes to wear right but but and again but that was directly because of these people scul here that was how they historical thing exactly you know they they they wore feathers and Beads so who know maybe that is what people try to maybe that's what they're trying to do just pull a few feathers because it's FL and feathers right now I I I mean I don't go to Carnival but you can't you can't help but see it because it's right there in front of you and it's floss and Feathers it's just a little string holding a two feathers together hopefully to cover if you're very slim it might you might succeed at covering something if you're well endowed they would bow they wouldn't burst well if it's floss well maybe they're making it out a real because floss is very strong yeah floss you know floss floss is very FL and Feathers to me when I look at Wild indan I expect to see feathers and Beads yeah but when I look at fancy mask can't put together I can't put together what they depicting you have to depict something well again you could just say nakedness that seem to be what it is but you just have enough string and enough feathers mm and what else they put on I have no idea glitter glitter and but but but it's not as interesting as the wild Indians because the wild Indians they have a litany they have they have structure in terms of how they go in and out and and and when they they they you throw the money in the ring they pretend as if they they fre it so they all go back and then the head one comes and he says something and you talk about eloen there's eloen who is the queen the queen of all of them right right and they and then they M they go down M huh not to they guess that and they finally pick up the coin but they they they they sanctify it they make sure oh so that right right right whatever ceremony and even the job job that I knew they had different things to say they had for instance they used to have a big book you always see them with this big book you wondering what they put a big book in a wheelbarrow and they pulling it and when they open the book they looking for your name and if your name is not there oh Horrors you know what I mean but if you if you say said I know this lady she's a nice nice lady she will give me a coer to pay me a passage to go back to they always going back to hell they never hold on also that also that was something had to be said J had to say ah they had things to say and the teacher behind them because they always had followers same job but you see so so and again if it is that we talking culture and Heritage then definitely that is where who know because people are trying to quote unquote keep the culture but obviously the the a lot a lot a lot of the origin is missing so maybe that is really where of course people like you come in um because at least if somebody know B called the real job come in to come in the real job they come in he has his oh so they actually oh they have there's a band that says which which they have their horns they have the Tails they have the chains M they have the the the the the P of of of of what you call it no no no no mixure to to to to recruit more job DB all the P of black stuff yes ah oh that is what is in the pill I suspect so okay so they could make more jobs as they go along right oh so that's where dirtying other people quote unquote come about well they're not supposed to and they know that no but still the idea is to get more to recruit more right right but the horns M the chains that's the real thing the tail mhm the um what's up exion fing and the r and the red thing around the mouth what is that was supposed to be like a vampire thingy there might be a vampire Thing theme yeah okay you know M and um but they said things they had ly they had they had they had uh things that they would say right right for instance in the beginning I used to hear that weha you ever hear that WEA now what that mean I don't know but when you hear waya and they blow the Shell by the way I don't see the shells nowadays I don't hear the shells can can some people even blow the shell properly because again that's what I'm saying people might have some of the aspects of the thing but as you said the real job maybe whoever they that is you have to bring back the things that that shell blowing is another piece of our communication that is missing now mhm because when you selling fish fish yes if it's big fish is a big shell little fish is a small shell really yes so what they give a different sound yes so not just blow a shell for fish no do just blow a shell for fish you blow a heavy and that is a Grenadian that one is a Grenadian thing I yeah okay just as we just we feel a j is a Grenadian thing because in Trinidad they call it jab Massi and in Trinidad they their thing is to dab yourself in molasses oh really yes they call it ja Massi and the Trinidad thing they wear a little skirt and it's a pretty skirt M you know but not here yeah we are black the when I say it's just it's all connected to di which is devil so sometimes you call it devil mass or you you use the word yeah which is devil devil and it end up to be jab jab mhm because again because of how we speak because of how we speak and if you notice most of the language of Carnival is French yeah yeah yeah yeah a lot of it you know well if it is that it's done exact the way we had it before things I the juv the day open the beginning MH you know and your M Grand your deash grand your what yeah all of these are yeah yes mhm and you can compare it to New Orleans m P of Spain but grenadians should feel proud that its Carnival is unique because I think we have so so many traditional masquerades we still and we still have some yes yeah like the what they call short KNE which is the English form of describing the Masquerade by what they wearing right but originally I think they were called per right and per mean country king because you wor crowns and those M tissue paper fluttering and I remember my brother and so they used to do that when they used to be in that in that yeah long well of course as a child so um and they made up songs their creativity was fantastic M because the PO usually have a song and then but and then in car have the Shakespeare mask where well I don't know if they still have it but you definitely have to you have to be well versed in Shakespeare you have to be able to repeat your voes mhm and here we used to have our history Mass yes I remember you mentioned I heard about William the Conqueror was from a history Mass wow and he was talking about the Battle of Hastings 1066 and I discovered that all of that was true M mhm William the Conqueror but it have to be but again you have to really know you have to know it you have to know it you have to know it yes so maybe that is part of the thing too because let's be real a lot of the persons who are involved in the masquer and the you know Carnival or whatnot a lot of people don't know what what we talking about there you're not aware of it it is sad but it is you know that is the reality they don't know so then how do you give what you don't have that's right you know how do you give what as again as I say the generation MH because as there was a generation that nakedness was not um definitely you didn't upold that cover cover up oh yeah because look at the look at the shney they they cover up so much each one of those things I a yard of cloth you know each each piece has to be a yard the sleeves and the and and and the feet and the so so it's a cover up thing yeah yeah yeah nowadays the more the less you cover up the better yeah but it's not the better because there's nothing to see we have that okay um I'm I'm hoping that the next time we meet we sping a little bit about games and so forth but I'm hoping that the next time we meet if we go back to games and Main and whatnot that you will come prepared to to demonstrate though yes I can't I I reach my knees we might have to get a few people to come my knees would allow it but before we go yes we have to talk I want to talk about for September Qui September September is a month that we pay attention and we heighten awareness of a disease called Alzheimer's and it's it's it's uh partner dementia dementia and these two things are very um it it's a sort of of disease that I would say comes on with age yeah it's a it's a old people's disease although some younger people have that that that that thing um Amnesia um all those you know where you forgetting and you car remember and all of that all that is part of the spectrum of and so this month we are going to spend time okay are you on a committee also okay no I'm a member of the Alzheimer's Association ah right okay okay there would be talks on the radio definitely and um well without a doubt we are going to accommodate we are going to accommodate the association here um on on the program so we will talk a little more about that but definitely because if you have because it happens it can happen and is it's happening more and more I I find and and it can happen to anybody whether it be hereditary whether it be that you say oh it it and also is there's a misunderstanding when a lot of people say oh She's suffering from um do she she do she Sile and they just put but some And just pack you away yeah yeah it is a sad thing um we actually I remember when we had um the late Miss um n an Hopkin you remember we yes um we actually did about three programs because we did like a series now we did a few programs before she passed passed away on Alzheimer's so I will have to I'll have definitely because yeah yeah yeah so it's a good thing that you are bringing that up because I was not aware I I didn't know that you know that we were observing it in September and and that is a good thing because there needs to be awareness and even one of the things too you see a big we have a big challenge with our we have a lot of elderly folk that is already sadly and I remember the persons from the desk of the elderly would have shed that here that there is already a challenge as it relates to care that the elderly receive even from their family members once they get older people sadly throw them away yeah is it true because most elderly a lot of elderly not like you that is you know so full of of of of Vitality and everything and that is just you know that is the reality there are some people who need so much um support and they that's one of the things that they were saying it's it's so even with Alzheimer's and Dementia you have an even greater challenge because people too I believe don't know how to deal with individuals who have who are showing the symptoms so we are definitely going them away in a home mhm mhm hoping that they'll be well taken care of and you don't go to see them yeah because you can't handle it because you can't handle it whereas so it's both sides we have to talk we have to talk to our you know us as in how to deal with persons who are you know have this Challenge and as yeah to really be able to appreciate not just that they have it but how do we treat with them because we all getting older we are we all get and we don't know yeah yeah we are yeah we growing up and whether we like it or not there are some challenges that come with age and we cannot pretend that it doesn't that that it is not happening as well we are prepared for it so definitely we are going to talk about this in more detail um during the month during the month yeah yeah because it is definitely needed we are going to we are going to set aside this month as well with the um Association to be able to do that so we will talk about this in more detail thank you very much for um you know making us aware of that and as a as as a program we are going to as I said um focus on that for for this coming month yeah well parting words before we go mhm parting words is that your past is a very interesting part of you and vast what went around along when you were growing up very interesting and if we don't know our history MH we can't tell anything say anything about where we going because it helps to direct your path MH a a a me history is a memory of the past a lot of children say they don't like history too many dates history is not just dates in fact dates are incidental mhh just you want to put it in a chronological way so that you could say Well it happened in the 17th century or the 18th century but technically speaking what happened in the past informs the present and more that would inform the future definitely and um even well I would want to end by saying the ccg we are having our final and you have been there for two of our sessions we are having our final um panel discussion at least for this year panel discussion we are looking at having it in the early um early in October God's willing because we have our AGM in September um and one of the things that we had purpose we have purpose to look at is now that we are coming toward the end of the celebration mode of the Grenada 50 um how do we chat the course and even as church what do we have to do what should we be doing so even the different aspects that we looked at the cultural aspect the educational aspect and so forth that we looked at in the panel discussions that have gone before we say now okay great so how do we take all of that and put it into a context that says this is where we going for the next 50 we've gone a long way for the 50 that has gone beautiful praise the Lord how do we chat a course for going for the next 50 so um I can tell us from now that um we are definitely going to we are going to be having our last panel discussion um we we taking as I said from a church angle but not just when we come in and talk church or preach not at all we taking it from an angle that says how as spiritual people we are going to go forward into it right nice chat Gloria thank you very much for being here well one of the things that you might have to take into consideration is the fact that after August August carnivals you have no August Ash Wednesdays I know I know right because the purpose of Ash wday was to bring and to prepare yourself for the resurrection which is so we know for sure that that has totally well it went off course completely when it came to that commercial Carnival but you see the significance of the religious Carnival mhm in February March MH was that you prepare yourself for the resurrection that's lost lent that's lost for sure we have no lent not after this not after August Carnival all right well as we see we see the things shifting and shifting our culture so thank you for staying with us we are going to see you I am going to see you rather next week Friday God's willing do have yourself a already great rest of your day and a wonderful weekend all right stay safe goodbye goodbye Str like no other Str like no reaches to me