The Bachelorette Jenn's Season Fantasy Suites & Men Tell All || Like Uh Literally

so yeah yeah smell I never thought about like how so I was like and then I so I slid into Brett's DMS asking him for feet picks and he was like uh this is his mom I have some saved for you but that would be a, per foot per toe per toe I'll take 10 of them I'm like I'm ready to drain my bank account please he does he mentioned that oh that was that is a good intro it's good to see the boy back dude it's so great to see him and Hakeem the two like uh celebrities yeah basically they out grown the show they're more they're more famous now than I think yeah I've got a lot of love for both those guys um I'm more excited I will say to talk about that episode than fantasy sweets but I guess what was that other episode we can probably get through that one pretty quickly uh this is Jamie this is Vic this is like Bret the BR the Bret literally literally the Brett cast um we have reached a horrific week of two episodes no we have survived it wasn't as bad as I thought but we did have to consume it we consumed it all it's a weird way to put it we consumed it all in one sitting I feel boy are my arms tight my eyes are tired my brain is drained I feel like all the liquid from my drain is a brain it has drains it's been like leaking out my ears thr my nose I thought I just had to like blow my nose but it's just like brain fluid the rest of your your cells any like normal thoughts and thinking is gone all I can think about is fantasy sweets Brett's feet and hakeem's eyes oh those eyes I love it what I see every night and I'm so happy I can't be happier um let's let's do the first episode uh from uh all right Monday so the fantasy suites we pick up Jen talks with Molly mesnik former contestant on Jason mesnick's season I'll believe you yeah you you're the expert on the show now you've seen every season am I right wrong yeah I've seen two of them so basically the entire show yeah all the ones that matter um it was sort of just like a debrief conversation where Jen was basically saying like what she doesn't like about nature and she was like here's what worries me about Deon here's what worries me about Marcus here's what really worries me about Jonathan it's like all right what do you like about uh do I need to talk about that like they're here what more do I need to say do I need to say more it was kind of just like a repeat like her things for Marcus and Jonathan were the same thing where it's like a I feel like they're holding back or like they're not fully saying like how they feel whatever and then Devin it's like no he is saying everything he's feeling I don't know if I'm like now I'm holding back yeah that is interesting but that does come to play later it's a heavy player yeah because de foreshadowing yeah a little foreshadowing I'm a little more back shadowing yeah and by that I mean my back has anous I don't know needs a shave yeah I've got a hairy back [Laughter] uh that's a good cycle we can go into to our sponsor the wax yeah for the back the back wax the backx wax we just like using glue yeah I use Elmer's Glue Elmer's Glue Gorilla Glue I do to a wall and then I try to like peel myself out dude I like step onto like a little step stool lean against the wall like have my back and like arms I like starfish up against the wall and then I have someone like kick the this St from under me and I can just feel my like skin peeling off that's that's a good way that's a good cheap way um for uh like the beach season yeah uh Hot Boy Summer pick up your go to your local like Staples and pick up some glue it works uh Devin first fantasy suite he knows how he feels about Jen he's in love with her he's not afraid to say it they go on like uh oh they're in we're in Hawaii we should mention we are in Hawaii we not but they were yeah well we were because we were Jen's fourth and fifth picks she didn't want to talk about but yeah we didn't get any air time that's what the secret ending is is by the way like she actually doesn't pick either of the two either of the remaining two she picks one of us because we were there and it wasn't me uh what they they went on a helicopter ride they ate by a waterfall yeah didn't everyone get like a waterfall like moment with her there were multiple okay um Devon has what see it seems to be an overarching thing throughout the entire episode which is like he knows how he feels but she hasn't said I love you back he feels like he kind of needs to hear that in order to feel validated feel validated and be prepared to like actually propose if she chooses him like he he was saying like right now I kind of I don't feel like the one which I'm like yeah well you may not be you're the one of the three yeah well and he was like yeah I feel like one of and I'm like well that's kind of you got exactly accurate like you are aware uh but but throughout the entire time he W it did seem like he was like without directly saying it he was fishing a little bit he he had his rod in the water and it was like I I put some bait on it like let me see if you can take it yeah it's like I'm I'm jigging it right in front of your face with the I love you and like the I don't want to like ever pressure you but I also want to know how you're feeling please tell me tell me how do I make you feel is there any word that comes to mind yeah is there any like specific word maybe like uh like starts with L describes you could say to your family maybe opposite of hate you know he was doing a lot of fishing and she was doing a really good job of what did you say earlier uh just deflecting deflecting yeah she all of her things were like not non an well yeah it was just like different she was like praising him in all the ways but saying she was giving him in any other scenario really nice compliments I would say a good amount of validation and reassurance right just not the thing he wanted not the thing he wants in this specific situation which is like to hear hear it back that I love you um okay but she did kind of I pointed out to you like at one moment she was like like I can't tell tell you how much you mean to me like she almost like winking at him like I actually am not allowed right now yeah I'm literally not allowed to tell you how much I feel about you I just want you to know that though like that this I need to tell you I'm literally unable to this is kind of saying something I hope you're picking up on it which it didn't seem like he did I don't know if that's what she was trying to do it it kind of seemed like it I don't know yeah I don't know it was interesting the way she phrased that I would I would actually do that if I were in her position and like didn't want to like if she it seems like she is conscious of the fact that she's on a show like The Bachelorette and she's like I kind of like have to like I realize I am like falling in love and trying to thank you motorcyclist for your input I couldn't agree um yeah I don't know it's like she seems like aware of like yes she's trying to like fall in love but also like make TV and like not spoil it yeah not choose them but like I will say like to a certain degree and I would say later on she kind of was like a the hell with that like I kind of but she got like push comes the sh she yeah she got put on the spot a bit but we'll get to that they do go to their fantasy suite whoa nice it's fantastic it seemed like even when they were saying goodbye like uh he was still kind of being like yeah I'm not I'm I'm definitely not afraid to tell you how I feel and how much I love you like I would never ask you to do the same that being said that being you like to say yeah I mean if she didn't say it on that date at any point um what next next we got Jonathan she was forcing dude she was like hands on gredle witch bro she was like forcing like sweets and like donuts on it he's like yeah I'm not really I don't want to I'm not a really a sweet guy would you like a nutelli donut two Nutella filed 55 Burgers yeah yeah 30 Cream Donuts jelly like 80 shaved ice extra sugar and condensed milk um you said lemonade I said add like full stick of butter full stick of butter and like 80 packs of uh sugar how do you feel about that Jonathan oh [ __ ] I'm ready to be put in the oven he's good now he's greas uh what else yeah they yeah they really just ate and like they went to like a market looked at like a crystal or something I think they also got a water yeah they got a waterfall as well who Jen talked about more about growing up fully Vietnamese with the Vietnamese family but growing up in a like all white neighborhood not knowing yeah going to school with all like white kids yeah yeah that would that would suck if you're the only like race well yeah she said like it felt like she didn't belong or she couldn't yeah yeah she even said like yeah I felt weird bringing my lunge to school cuz it was like different the other kids oh J don't be ashamed to not have like brought like a peanut butter and jelly yeah that's not exactly the standard of food yeah and Jonathan said he also grew up but his like parents were more like were more expressive like him being mixed who he is yeah like he he felt like he was raised all-encompassing of each part of uh his um his race and ethnicity which um he said like he hopes when raising kids like he wants to do the exact same thing and he said even with he he was getting he was going pretty far forward with Jen he's like yeah with our kids I'm like whoa back it up Jonathan you don't know yet calm down calm down a little bit but he does get to do that I think yeah sure surely oh no uh yeah then what happened after that I'm trying to think like he he wasn't as worried about the I love love you yeah he did not say that and she also did not say that yeah like they both they did go to the fantasy suite they both woke up feeling good happy hopeful I don't know it just seemed very normal know was coming yeah yeah he has no idea this guy has no idea then we find out that Devin is is anxious yeah he's pacing he's sort of like uh he's day drinking well or just like a soda yeah he was having like a really hard root here extra root yeah this one had like too many roots on it it's like I think you picked like the wrong kind of like mushrooms like put them on my pizza yeah he was spiraling a little bit being like he going down the dark yeah like I was thought I was okay with it or like I tried to like he said like uh for the first time I didn't like say what I was actually thinking I just said more of what I thought she wanted to hear about like being okay with not knowing like or not basically putting her on the spot and be like no you need tell me tell me right now tell me um we also learned that Marcus is also very uncertain he even said like yeah I'm pretty sure Jen likes me like a lot more than I like her I was like all right bro don't admit don't tell her that maybe keep that to yourself um yeah that was interesting he did self- sabotage himself throughout the whole date yeah like when they were actually like they went on a boat they went snorkeling with mantas pretty pretty epic I'd like to do that but throughout the entire time he was saying like yeah I'm I am still just like even though you've met my family I am still like doubtful or uncertain because like I'm not used to this uh and like before they're like fantasy sweet he's like yeah I'm not in love with you yet and she's like okay but I am it like she did admit it she told him and he like that made him get really emotional he was like almost like he felt bad for like not saying it back or not being to that point with her um which I don't know it it does feel weird because now if she chooses him it's like I wonder if he feels like pressured as far as like I wonder if he thinks like oh [ __ ] she's going to pick me so I have to get I have to like get to this point and it's like he I wonder if he feels like yeah that type of like pressure mindset but mhm well he better get there yeah he better get there that is interesting though but do you think cuz she wants someone who who is ready who is certain so I I can't see her picking him if he's not there yeah I agree so it's more on him now that we know that uh he is one of the final two it is funny because Devin even like uh Jonathan yeah John well okay let's let's back it up this is something me and you were talking about while it happened we found it funny that she told Marcus that she loved him let's say that this was completely unrelated to knowing how Devon was feeling and that he was like so he has expressed before that he's worried that she'll say I love you to someone else and he's freaking out now because she hasn't said I love you back to him why do you think like do you think it is completely her decision from a genuine place that she felt so strongly enough to tell Marcus the literally seems like the only one who does not feel the same way about her that she loves him because I kind of said like I wonder if like The Producers like planted a seed and be like I'm not saying like they would tell her that like Devon's like fre because she would do she would not agree to it at that point but she'd be like they would be like hey you should really tell him yeah well they should say like are you in love with anyone like and like if Marcus really is the last one like that got the fantasy sweet and they're like you really haven't told any of these guys that you love him like any of them yet like are you really going to like be okay with like getting through Fantasy Suites not like and none of these guys knowing if like you love them or not and she's like oh [ __ ] like I guess yeah I got to now like something weird like that to make yeah that whole like to put some pressure on her but like okay let's do you think that she actually feels that strongly for Marcus it's uh I think it was definitely pushed a little I think it was pushed too I think I think it was Fab not like fabricated because I will say like she really felt that but she was kind of like pushed to say that time I think so I think she was convinced or like persuaded or manipulated almost into saying it to him I think because of the like deafen side stuff of being like man if she says like I love you to someone else I'm I'm out I'm out or or yeah it'll be a Breaking Point and if she doesn't say it back to me it's like I am curious because like yeah I don't know like Devon and Marcus are the final two do you think that if she picks Devin do you think she'll she has told him like without him watching this back like do you think she told like right away like yes I did tell Marcus I loved him or do you think like he's not like finding this out until like watching this oh he is not finding this out that would be pretty like shitty what opportunity would she tell him do you think well I'm just saying like if she picks him do you think after the fact she would be like just so you know like I did like especially if he did Express like that like I'm scared that you said I love you to anyone else like she'd be like yeah sure you don't have nothing no like I don't know yeah by the way you don't need to watch that yeah don't watch the show if you're worried about that surely she would say that if he got that specific but do you think she knows that that's a fear for him yeah if she like if he told her yeah yeah that's a good point I don't know maybe he might have mentioned it like in something that we haven't seen or maybe during their fantasy sweep but or after the fact but I'm just thinking that if it really was like manipulated that whole thing and like like if producers did this with the thought in mind of like oh this is going to really [ __ ] with like dein or like uh because it it's kind of weird in the sense of like well he's not going to know because she's probably not going to tell him during this like he might like she might tell him when it's over yeah definitely not during like that but like she's not going to tell him that he she said I love you to Marcus like during this like she's not going to be like oh hey Devon by the way I know you like we're still in the middle of this but I told Marcus like it's not going to happen so it's like it does make me curious like if it was pushed or like sort of coerced or whatever because like it's not going to have any effect on him during it like even when Devin came and did talk to Jen after all of the like fantasy sweet dates and he was like yeah I have to be honest right now I'm not doing I don't want to put you on the prep I don't want to put the pressure I don't want to put the pressure on you but like I am really struggling I feel like I'm the safe option for you which that's a good option it's kind of like it's kind of accurate I will say at least now because like if she does actually like no I like the dangerous marus option what I like the dangerous option yeah we go D well Marcus does seem like the dangerous option just in the sense of like are you picking someone that even like likes you or feels the same way about he even like here for you like what show is this again yeah I mean yeah I think Devon is not wrong like he is kind of the safe option because he's fully expressed how he feels for her what he wants what he's looking for and how he is ready and she's just like okay like okay okay this is good to know in case my first choice doesn't like pan out how I as a backup safe option that's good to know but going back to like if the whole I love you to Marcus was like manipulated it's [ __ ] up in General if that is the case yeah like they were doing that pushing for that anyway but especially if she does pick Devin it's [ __ ] with Jen as well it's not just [ __ ] with Devon it's [ __ ] with Jen as well because they do know that he's freaking out and like they could have been like saying to like Devon like oh like what I think like I don't know if you should know this but she actually did say I love you Marcus or like she said I love you to someone and he's just like oh [ __ ] it wasn't me so yeah that would be pretty wild it's just like if she does pick Devon and this was like pushed it wasn't completely Jen's idea they could have like seriously sabotaged this whole thing the producers could have in my opinion because like if he would have left from that like if she would have like if would have if it is him and she didn't say I love you back he probably would have left right don't you think that that's what that if he knew about it if he was like told about it yeah I'm sure they probably didn't tell him because they didn't want him yeah no but I'm just saying like he probably went in to that conversation with Jen after the fact really seeking that like validation he wants probably wanting to hear it so do you think that if she didn't say I love you back CU she I like how she's like you idiot of course I love you you freaking idiot stupid idiot I love you you idiot how dare you but if she wouldn't have said yeah I don't I think we would have went home you think he would have left yeah I think and that's just like in my op he needed even said it was well he said it wasn't an ultimate but it pretty much was it seemed like it could have been yeah but I'm just like if it isn't Devin then she didn't need to say I love you and I I don't blame her that she did but it's like you could have let him go home and it would have been you know all right retrospectively but like what if she just really felt the pressure of like oh he's asking me for something but I really don't know if I can say this like I'm going to just like hope that I'm going to say everything else that I can where I'm like I can't tell you how I really feel but I really feel strong about you but I can't tell you how much like while winking at him and if he like doesn't like just hope that he gets the hint but if he like didn't then he could have left and she would have been like well [ __ ] there goes my pick there goes who I like want to be she needed to say it if she was going to pick him that's what I do think like this that conversation kind of we kind of know I feel like she kind of yeah is going to pick Devon now she probably was like no the show isn't worth it if I'm going to pick Devon I need I kind I'm being put on the spot I need to tell him no it does seem like that yeah I don't know uh him or Jonathan yeah surely Jonathan Jonathan makes a come back uh leaves on a little bit of a yeah Cliffhanger of that conversation but then we get to the toall that's the first thing we see then we see the rose ceremony of who's going to go home the only person she didn't say I love you too oh no Devon I'm sorry you're going home I literally know I told you I love you like five minutes ago but I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry just had to be you I was just saying that I was just joking I called you an idiot and you clearly are because you actually thought that I love you no poor Jonathan I will say it actually did seem like Jonathan was like broken up about like he seemed dare I say heartbroken definitely like more so than anyone else like you take Jeremy leaving last week yeah yeah it's it's like I'm I like Jeremy but it didn't seem like he was far along yeah it didn't seemed like he was really like heartbroken over the breakup where I felt like Jonathan it came across more so that he was yeah poor Jonathan poor went out poor went out for Jonathan what let's get into the like fun stuff now there we deserve the dessert after the GRL yeah the gr after playing in the trash for like two hours with some clean fun uh a lot of the guys are back all of the ones that were involved in drama all of the ones that we loved and then also a couple of guys that I'm like yes who are you like oh you were here okay I guess I'll take your word for it I didn't know you were on the show yeah I don't know there's a few guys that I didn't like yeah I forgot about uh but they they highlighted Brett they gave him his love oh yeah apparently like we have said we are not the only ones who love him apparently the world loves him okay but I'm the I'm his number one fan though you sent him the like the like DM about like the feet Open Arms open legs and like open what what could have the last thing could have been if she already said like open legs or what or what do you think that's what it was I thought it said Open Arms open open heart open arms open mouth and open probably legs legs was I think it was yeah it was his response was so funny it's like yeah my mom is like watching I can't so yes so yes my mom I'll make my mom proud like uh or the feet pigs one he's like yeah I don't do foot content yeah and I was like cheering I was like give it to us give it to us uh who did they go to next oh for some reason Aaron got like oh yeah an unnecessary amount of like attention attention I even forgot I thought he was like last season yeah yeah uh what was it he they talk he he got asked about like uh oh you're departing conversation with Jen like what was that all about and he was like we me and Jen had such a good connection I figured she'd know that I was just looking I was like I don't are you sure about that are you sure about that you thought yeah you thought that and then and then they like Jesse was like so can you can you elaborate that who were the guys you were referring to and was like well clearly in that moment like two would have been like Devin and like Sam n it's like okay yeah that's probably like that's who we figured you were talking about yeah and then it was like also probably Spencer and I was like what what are you talking that was weird my Spencer he's like yeah bro I like watching back seeing how you were on your date with him and or with her and how uncomfortable you were about talking about your previous relationship I was like to two things you can't say this when you're saying like yeah I thought this one watching it back you didn't that means you didn't know about it in the moment so you couldn't have been talking about him yeah how can you like add context to something yeah it's like in the moment I had no idea what anything about Spencer but after watching it back I'm now saying it I knew there was something about you bro yeah and watching it back I was totally right you you were uncomfortable talking about your like uh previous relationship and Spencer was like yeah it was like like first dat with her and like just like I don't know that doesn't mean I'm disingenuous or there's something off about me it can just be like difficult to talk about a previous like divorce yeah there no shock and and's like no I've I've been divorced too so I know what it's like it's like all right then talk about you yeah like you're okay you're comfortable talking about you're just talking about her right now yeah that was pretty good and then the book thing they talked about they had the brother and he was trying to play it off yeah I had no idea that my twin brother was on the show my twin brother like I'm you think I watch the stuff he's he's definitely a seen yeah you can't like say like yeah like all siblings are like super close if one of them goes on a [ __ ] TV show show you're going to know about you're going to know like what happened they're probably going to talk about it yeah and a big thing on the season that his brother know was on was that he was given a book and yeah his brother was in the audience being like yeah the book thing is not a good move when it what happened to me I thought it was like someone talking down to me condescending it was not you did the exact same thing was like yeah I don't I do not condone this yeah he got roasted by his own own brother who like experience on the show who could have given him like pointers and and was like don't give anyone a book don't do the book thing Man it it is almost like a little bit [ __ ] up if they did talk about it and like he did know about his brother's season and his brother is like yeah that was like a pretty like crazy thing to do and now and she was like oh maybe I should do that and now like his brother's like no no no no no I wasn't condoning now that I went over Poland yeah like I'm going to actually back off from it and be like yeah no you shouldn't have done that um uh hakee Hakeem he's doing oh well then Devin drama like uh Aaron talked about how he had an issue but then Sam M talking about how he had an issue Sam M and thas talking about their issue with Devin and I like how like Jeremy was he's pretty quiet first of all he gives a very quiet Vibe but he's like the first one to defend de Devon and he dude they all just start like clowning Sam M cuz they're like if Devon did one thing right is he kept the main thing the main thing and like they all just started like making fun of like Sam em like all his like lines the main thing the main thing best foot for like all the weird like fero yeah all the weird lines that he used and like Jeremy was like if if like Devin was the main thing then yes Sam kept the main thing the main thing the entire time F was good it just really funny and was like he was just getting clowned super hard and uh yeah deserve ofly s uh Sam n talked about like uh yeah the [ __ ] he got for saying I love you to Jen on their date and like Sam the other Sam and Thomas were like yeah all you should have done is not said that and just like dance naked that's literally like what they were saying like why couldn't he have just like gotten half naked like the rest of us and like busted it down I'm like why why do you care why do you you wanted to see that yeah why do you want that so much yeah yeah I thought it was again like they were just mad at someone doing something different yeah than everyone else like Devon yeah Devin and yeah everyone clearly was against you're not following the rules of love man yeah or I only was taught to love one way which is like I don't know how to like interpret that yeah Sam with a h say there's a third one in the mix now the third one I know love I learn how to love one way and it was the wrong way yeah it's like unfortunately it is a way that has done you no good service yeah no good service has not given people a good opinion on you uh like what I was going to talk about that like yeah they were all just like clowning Sam and Thomas on just being like why were you always so concerned about Devin like why did you care that much about him cuz that's why we were here and he was the main thing he was the main thing Sam M did get like a couch moment though where he was like I don't know like could you say he was like doubling it kind of it was very like mixed like wishy-washy where he was like partly doubling down on like yeah no I did love her and the main thing was just like being open searching for love and like uh being authentic like if that's going to like generate hate then so be it I'm like I don't know if that's quite what it was but along with like a lot of other things then yeah along with like yeah being like uh disrespectful uh lacking like awareness in like a partner not being able to express how you feel about your partner only talking about yourself only talking about yourself being super concerned about like what other people are doing being like judgmental about them it's like yeah I don't I don't know if that's like uh I don't know if that's exactly what you think that you were doing but uh yeah well oh and I like the one thing that someone said where it was like like you even like admitted to like only like uh or thinking that it was going to be Mar Daisy and he was like yeah but after like talking or like thinking about it I couldn't imagine myself with either of those two and everyone was like why did you like go on the show then yeah why' you go on it if you thought it was going to be those two yeah he was like if anyone actually like thought it was going to be Jen or like didn't think it was going to be Maria and Daisy you're all like lying to yourselves and they're all like uh no it's like I'm sure there is some truth to that yeah I mean maybe they all were surprised yeah but I'm sure they were all fine with fine yeah that's the thing open to it yeah as long as they were open to it seemed like why does it matter it's like sure you could probably expect it to be someone you can expect it to be Jesse but sometimes won't and then he's there but he's not the one you're dating you can be disappointed about that too but but yeah he made it seem like uh he was trying to like defend that he was expect which like I don't know I just feel like that's not something you needed he needed to ever admit because yeah he didn't really need to talk he probably is right where like there other guys were probably thinking oh it's probably a lot I doubt I doubt many of them were expecting it to be Jen no if like as far as expecting like oh yeah it's going to be Jen mhm I'm sure there was ones that like oh I hope it's so and so or so and so or so and so or yeah it seems like it's going to be so and so used to yeah but it's not like I'm only doing it yeah exactly if it's these two I'm only going to do it but yeah like when he said like I didn't like see myself with either of those two then they're just like well why did you agree to come on the show then if you were so convinced like if you really thought he was going to be one of those two and you didn't see yourself with either of those people he was just trying to defend himself but then just making him look bad he's I don't know dude I'm I have so many just more questions I know more questions than aners and then something about the doll eyes of Jen oh yeah yeah like Spencer was like it wasn't just that too like but you like at the end were like insulting her you called her doll like as you were leaving like no I just said the eyes were dll yeah I called her eyes D like I was used to her like energy and when she came in to the room I could just see the look in her eyes it was so dull there was no energy so I didn't I wasn't calling her doll I was calling her eyes doll I was like dude you're just like you don't know how like he's trying so hard to like talk his way out of all these things and he's really just like talking his way around them all I know deeper into trouble well it's like you're just enforcing or yeah reinforcing a lot of people's like opinion and like perspective on you which is it doesn't seem like you you're you either come across as like a little like dumb and just like unaware and like not well even Jen said like emotionally unintelligent yeah yeah Jen oh man when Jen came out she went like hard after this is a roast of Sam am I wrong yeah when Jen came out she she went after Thomas and like for Thomas she at least had a little bit of like good where she was like I wish you would have just like focused more like cuz the first night was great was over like being immigrants or Vietnamese like immigrant families but then like you were so obsessed with like talking to other guys you pulled Devin away from me to talk to him it's like why couldn't you have talk to me and he was like yeah I wish I could go back and change that and focus more on you and it's like okay great no one cares at this point yeah we got it but then Sam it was like dude she went after him hard hard she had like literally no good things to say yeah nothing it's like after watching it back oh she had a lot of things like you the way you disrespected everyone we only there for yourself yeah and she she I hope pointed out you learn for this yeah she pointed out we never talked like we literally just didn't talk our relationship was not based on any like actual like communication or like anything other than like physical attraction and compatibility right like it was it was cool to see her do that and have like a bit of a moment and like again like Sam again very wishy-washy like doubled down but also like apologized he's like yeah I'm sorry I do feel like I owned up and like took accountability for that but also that's just like who who I am like like oh dude like I just don't know how to like respond or feel about him because it's like oh she like she called him out also for like the whole him on social media and like him and his or his family and friends like coming to his defense and like blaming the edit of the show or the producers and it's like yeah I don't know that was you bro yeah she said like every moment on the show of me was 100% me yeah it's like they can only I feel like they can only edit so much it's not like they were literally like yeah they put words the thing is like everything that came out was something you said it wasn't like AI generated or something it's like even if things were out of context calling like Devon a sheep and you're a lion is you still said that it's like I don't know bro it's like he's such a weird character it's like I don't know it really just there was no like resolution for it yeah it did not end on a good note it didn't seem like there was any sort of redemption and again it to me it's just like there's more questions is it like is he really like not picking up like what people are criticizing him for like is he really that unaware yeah it just seems to be like a defense mechanism for him just to not let it affect him brushing it off yeah at least that's what it seems like cuz it's hard to say that he like fully doubled down on his being like yeah he never really did anything he only just like kind of like wish it went different type thing and it's like okay that's a good start but like why do you feel like it didn't go right in the first place like what do you think was the issue and it was like I'm the main thing uh best oh [ __ ] I can't you guys already made PS for me for that main thing forward like ferocious feet forward uh [ __ ] I like I can't come on I don't know it's just like I like again I think it was who called him out and it's like you couldn't say like what you loved about her yet you said you loved her and like Jesse was like said like do you still like stand did you really love her or like that seemed like a Hail Mary and he's like no no no I stand by that it's like okay why were you like not able to say what you loved about it and he was like I just don't think I could put it into words like how I really felt I didn't think there like words could do it justice and it's like hakee was like yeah if I love someone I want to be able to say what I love about him it's like yes there you go yes you should be able to say what you love about someone if you love them that is true even if it's something simple like I love how you make me smile there we go whoa whoa Sam is that really hard that to say that WR I'm writing that down write that down write that down I don't know dude it was it really was frustrating because it was like there there was nothing to it there was no Redemption it really didn't even seem like he was picking up on like yeah like he was learning from it or it will change cuz yeah he was saying like if me being open to love and looking for love is going to generate hate then so being it's like no no no no that's not what it was that's not what like people are pissed at you and annoyed by you and like you're getting all the [ __ ] you're getting that's not why just the haters hate yeah dude he's like that he he has a bumper sticker that says like haters going to hate yeah 100% I don't know all right enough about Sam who is next Jonathan we just saw him we didn't get anything new he's like yes I'm heartbroken how does it feel I'm excited to see her and then it's like by the way you want to be on Paradise and he's like yeah sure okay I'll take it I'll do it yeah he got the first official invite uh yeah no I think he he would be definitely one I would root for one that I'm like yeah know I want to see him like actually get a real yeah no yeah I definitely want him to be successful Paradise I want him to I want that to be a good in come out of Paradise in a in a relationship uh grant our first talk with the next Bachelor did what did we learn about him he's looking for love he is looking for love he wants someone beautiful on the inside yeah I I put down that this interview was just a hype him up yeah yeah there's nothing really too much I mean yeah there's he said he's looking for love that is I I feel bad I can't even remember what he said yeah it was something genuine yeah genuine sure yeah I don't know we did learn that there's supposedly been over 10,000 new applicants to be on his season 101 now yeah 102 cuz me and oh yeah me and Vick just uh submitted our applications that is pretty I wanted Jesse to be like and we accepted them all so like you're going to have like 10,000 wom your season is going to be like 4 years long you're going to have a one-on-one with everyone oh my gosh you eliminate like a thousand every year you're you have a 10year season and you won't know who 90% of them are have you only get to see like one like a day so like you might see like if you see like one more than once a year you're in luck yeah yeah you're going to win that's it [Music] uh was it oh yeah Jen came out uh oh yeah she like called out Thomas and Sam M she had like nice things to say about other Sam who's getting [ __ ] on for being the loved virgin and being like why are you here type thing I think it was like Thomas was like you were like you didn't know what you were doing here or whatever and Jen like basically said that in just like a nicer way where it was like it was nice to be by your side as you were like discovering and growing and learning new things about like love and what you want of relationships not just like a you don't know what you're doing bro yeah a less judgmental yeah that was a good good way to put it uh I don't ever want to see you around here kid do you think he'll show up on Paradise on Paradise Maybe I like how he wore the leather jacket again I like that that's a good one he wore the leather jacket but went back to being like more initial Sam and where it was like a little bit more Tim innocent yeah and not like a like like putting the like trophy down so guys can't sit next yeah I like that that was very it was so funny uh she about being the first Asian uh Bachelor at or lead and how being Vietnamese like her family was like she even said like her mom probably would have preferred her not being The Bachelorette because of their culture not dating it's not normal yeah it's not normal I mean I guess it's argue it's not normal even in non any cult even just say like American culture is just normal yeah I think anyone's going to criticize yeah 30 people at once uh and expecting to get engaged to one of them in like two months it's like okay that sounds nor yeah that's what's what's the deal what's the matter with that what's the matter with that anyway it's like it's probably too long if anything yeah like you need that much time right I what do you do like talk all day uh but yeah you see the person and you instantly know like what if I match with you on Tinder I have bought a ring already I'm ready I have the ring our first date is the wedding the first message I send to you is my wedding V uh no but she talked about yeah for like Vietnamese culture being like more private especially with dating like it's not something that is talked about let alone like public information basically like for everyone to see yeah for everyone to see like it's just not something she's used to like yeah um but she's happy to like represent Asian culture and uh be like the figure for it and um I am curious because like she didn't call out I feel like as much as she could have and dare I say should have like the show like she could have been like yeah I was kind of hoping I wouldn't be one of two Asian people on my scene uh season and like yeah you guys are all being like yeah how's it feel to be the first like uh Asian lead and like be like oh yeah it's great I where are all like the Asian men at though like it's Thomas who [ __ ] he was a bad like not of like Asian culture but just like a oh [ __ ] I don't care about him yeah it's like she could have been like it would have been nice to have like more Asian representation representation on the show you that would be good uh that would have been good all right redo it yeah have Rie the thing again uh charity and doton were there they were highlighted purely for the sake of getting another vacation to Greece because doton got sick on it oh no they deserve it I like yeah they do and next season they'll get their third trip cuz he gets sick again or she gets sick yeah she gets sick again and they're like third 's a charm we both got sick and they're like all right fourth time I think they're allergic to greas yeah first time maybe we'll like send else uh what else oh dude we oh oh we completely skipped over the like I don't know best part of this episode which was not even Bachelor Bachelorette related it was a promo for a completely unrelated show this is a this was a very weird part weird part segue he like before we go to commercial break let me introduce this brand new show on uh I thought it was going to be like paradise or the golden Bachelor yeah that's what I was thinking like oh golden Bachelorette like I guess technically it's not new I don't know why you said new Jesse but then she's like oh let's meet these ladies over here we see like secret secret lives of Mormon wives and it was like what the hell is this what the hell is this what is this this looks incredible but what is it yeah but the thing I loved the most about it was when they were showing the promo dude they just had the camera on hake the entire time it was a full Hakeem reaction video oh my gosh it's like they know full reaction they know what we wanted and he knew what we wanted to oh he delivered he delivered I liked how they would just like slowly zoom in and then zoom out just to zoom in again and he was just like his eyes were wide the entire time he dropped a couple like oh [ __ ] like I need more of this it's like I will want I will agree to watch the show if you give me a corner cam of Hakeem reacting to the show each episode yeah I would watch it I would watch it then I would watch it if the last season of The Bachelor isn't like reacted to by hakee at the wedding isn't he's not there he the yeah he's the ring boy or whatever you call the ring bear ringar Brett is the officiator oh yeah that would be a dream uh speaking of hakee he got like got [ __ ] over again at the end where they he's like yeah I don't want to do any more spiders and they're like you're in luck we have one right we have 15 minutes to fill we have like a few more minutes we're going to give them all to you but it's purely just going to be like scaring the living [ __ ] out of you putting a huge ass tarantula on your we're doing a new show it's a it's covered in spiders yeah oh man hakee is going to be on like if they ever like bring back Fear Factor Hakeem is just going to be in every episode uh after that though I feel like they they finally did him a solid and I hope they stay true to it Parton me hopes even though this I feel like it's not a great thing to say but I hope he's single by next summer because they gave him the second the second invitation in official invitation he was like of course obviously obviously oh yeah I hope to see him there I was hoping they'd give like the third one of like Brad yeah um that would have been good what what else surely they did do you remember any of the bloopers everyone loves the bloopers but I feel like like I can't remember them like as soon as they're like over I can't remember any of them there's a fart I think oh yeah Jonathan like farted the wedding or the rose cere rose ceremony uh bugs people well more of Hakeem hake the Hakeem bloopers and then uh being tall smacking his gor twice uh anything else all right perfect that's all I got uh I guess should we do final predictions who do you think the final two is oh that's tough let's do predictions based on who do you think wins but also in what and then who do you think loses yeah who do you think wins who do you think loses you might be surprised by my like second pick uh but also like what do you they say they say this every time though but like they they're saying like this is something never before done type finale it's going to be super dramatic never been done before what do you like also like what do you predict and then it has that snapshot of JY saying I can't let you propose to me yes yeah which is like what they're using as like the never before done yeah I'm C okay so okay first off who do you think wins Jen uh Jess Jesse prob Dylan Devin I'll go Devon I'm going with Devin to just because as we said earlier I think when she kind of like I don't to say is it fair to say caved when she he kind of put her I need to know how you're feeling and she was like yes no I do love you I you I you I you idiot you stupid idiot I love you yeah I feel like that was a big tell I feel like yeah uh if it wasn't him she might like she might have a thing for him I guess we'll see we'll see no I agree with you I think Devon wins but now so obviously that means I wonder what happens to Marcus then probably loses probably loses yeah uh she can't let him propose you think she says that to Marcus when like breaking up to him with him yeah at the altar okay because I don't like you you're not ready you're not ready no I but that's been done before that's like every season every single like I'm trying to like piece together from what like we see her also go to someone's room knock on the door um talking with Jesse being like with whatever happens are you okay with it she's like yes and like all the stuff with her family about like each guy as far as like one of them is apparently emotionally unavailable and not ready uh what if the brother won't give his Blessing to Devin oh yeah um what were you going to say no that one's better okay no no no no you speak your truth bro yeah maybe it has something to do with like the family not liking both of them well because it does seem like they don't like either of them so they don't initial they don't like give their bling to either so maybe she just doesn't she does are you saying that maybe she just doesn't get engaged but like still picks one of them or do you think are you saying she ends to pull out I think she picks someone has it ever happened where they just continue without getting engaged yeah yeah I would say probably not in a little while it seems like most of the recent seasons have all ended in engagement but yeah now that's not uncommon for them to like pick someone but not get engaged okay so that's that yeah that's been done before so yeah so it's probably not that um how about Al loone that's happened on The Bachelor before not The Bachelorette so it's like how nitpicky are they going to be like oh it's never happened in The Bachelorette where they wind up alone um I guess that could count how about with both as far as both they both can oh she picks both that would be weird oh that's the Mormon show yeah oh yeah it's Jen is actually going to be on the like The Secret Lives of Mormon lives that's the secret uh yeah I don't know what it could be I can't what you propose to me it's just like why show that one because like again that's not uncommon yeah that happens with that happens literally every time they usually do stop and say like no no no no don't propose to me or don't profess your love to me now I'll take the ring but you have to go what if I can't I can't let you propose to me I'm going to propos to you proposing that the the bill everyone knows yeah that's also I would assume though probably against cultural things so as far as uh Vietnamese culture um although I don't know that but I just know that it's not typically common in just in our culture it's typically it's not like never been done but like I would say the stigma is guy produ uh proposes to the girl and a lot of religions yeah seems to be like that like they like that okay um I don't know that would that definitely the bill as far as not being done before um that would be interesting big Power move I would actually really like that all right I kind of hope that's what happens now I can actually see that happening too like I almost do feel like I'm kind of spoton with the lot of like I can't let you propose I feel like that could be to whoever she picks and it's like I can't let you propose to me cuz like I'm I want to be like I want to choose you right and like not feel like you're choosing me and I'm just like okay with it or whatever it's like no I'm making the decision yeah I like that I'm glad I thought of that yeah perfect thank you for your input thank you for your genius idea no I think I feel like that's now probably a strong strong candidate for like because I'm just trying to think unless they're just like overhyping it and being like oh this is something never because they even the said that with like Joey season about like Daisy just kind of knowing like I know you're not going to pick me it's fine yeah her breaking it off yeah like her ending it it's like yeah technically that is never was had never been done before but it wasn't like a huge yeah it wasn't like a huge curveball um so if it's anything in that level of like when it happens it's kind of anticlimactic I have no I have no guesses I don't really know yeah it could be anything but as far as like not as far as like a woe that is kind of like surprising or crazy I would say it's like she ends up alone and that's again technically hasn't happened before on The Bachelorette so if you want to go like if you want to get if you want a nitpick it's like I guess technically it's it's true it's never rapping on The Bachelor right but like as far as the other like big one it would be I would say it's like she proposes to a guy I could see that Happ I could see I could see that happening yeah I see the second one happening and her being alone yeah the guy says no [Music] um yeah know I I think that's it I'm I've talked myself into it I think she's going to propose to someone all right I'll take that idea I think she proposes to Devon then yeah I agree it almost fits well with Devon's thing though too because it's like he's like I felt like an option before I felt like a safe choice I want to feel like love back yeah him being proposed he probably would love that yeah that would be good especially if it's him I want is it I I want it to be more of a common I would love to be proposed to I'm just like realizing that now it's like I'm not proposing yeah I'm not I'm not proposing why you like see the to me both excite me because like mhm thinking of like about proposing to someone to me seems like a lot of stress and work stress but it's also probably like when you're like about to do it like prepare like especially the day of dude you have to be like so amped with like adrenaline it must feel like you're high almost like there's going to be like a real like serious like thrill like your heart is constantly like just like beating like out of your like it's I'm like talking I'm bro are you I'm ready I'm I've got I'll go get a ring and I don't know how how you feel about me right now but I might propose to you in the next like couple of days I just like proposing but like I'm I feel like I'd never really thought about from the other side of like being proposed to I don't know I feel like that's from yeah that seems pretty good societal standpoint I've like been like I've always thought about proposing to someone but now I'm like thinking about like dude it must feel awesome to be proposed to as well yeah being like pretty good yeah it would be pretty cool someone like expressing to you especially getting down on a knee yeah getting down on their knees bowing down [Laughter] to bowing down giving you a gift uh a really expensive gift yeah a very expensive gift and like them telling you like asking you and then you have the power oh yeah I be like I could say no I could say no right now imagine your face if I say no right now imagine you do this at like a sporting event where you're up on the big screen I could like totally embarrass the hell out of you right now and I might I'm oh I've like I like I've never even thought about this I kind of want I kind of want to do both to be honest I'll propose the idea of you proposing to me yeah yeah I'm going to like get down on like one knee I'm going to be like what do you think about like I would like you to propose to me I like that that's what I'm doing yeah that's like a good a good balance you get both you to experience both I want my cake and I'm going to eat it too then and then see yeah when they first see you you can be like no no I need time oh man ah I just opened my eyes to something completely new though never even thought about that I'm ready oh yeah I'm ready I don't have a person right now to do either of those things but as soon as I do I have buying the ring as soon as I match I'm buying the ring just one more match and I get the ring uh is there anything else you'd like to talk about uh anyone else you want to see on Paradise I was like I said I was hoping Brett would get an official invitation um but anyone else we saw that you want to see there no no Spencer yeah yeah I can see it I I'm I'm still sticking by what I said earlier where I think he might be overlooked by the time it actually comes around next year that is true uh Nathan who who Sam eight eight who's watch both Sam I guess either or would be interesting to some point I don't know like what my hope would be for Sam M though because like I was hoping for some Redemption this we didn't get it I literally only have more questions I'm more of like a side ey them dude I don't really trust you uh but the other Sam I think would the other Sam I hope he's like wearing this leather jacket to the beach and is like sweating nonstop he goes swimming in it he never takes it off it gets like super sticky as soon as it gets wet dude like sitting on like a leather couch in the summer you just sck to it oh no you become part of the couch that's just it was like latex basically uh yeah I don't know maybe both the Sams that's probably it Spencer if if I remember him that's it that's it that's all I got oh that's all I got this has been Jamie this this been Vic this been like uh literally and you can find us on Spotify on Apple podcast on Google pod on pod Bean on Pandora pod on iHeart pod cast box pod nice nice uh uh fire Fire TV fo yeah yeah sure Google I think yeah opra yeah she's talked about this before sure uh YouTube when we're like a literally like a literally no spaces um leave us any questions um concerns yeah well theories yeah Theory I am always curious as far as like what other people think because I don't know I try to avoid like I never want to get like spoiled so I try to avoid stuff but I'm I'm curious like what other people if there's other like theories that I haven't thought of uh any suggestions we will look at them and delete them no we will ignore them no we will take them as a careful consideration by not looking at them by not doing them uh anything else dude I think it's I think that's it I think people are tired yeah if you listen I think they need a nap at I feel like I feel like I need that 4 hours worth of bachelorette content I love this show truly I'm not just saying that there's not a gun to my head as I'm saying that I truly do love it Jesse's not behind you right now but oh God is like hand firmly on the back of my neck being like yeah you like this show tell how much you like this [ __ ] show uh but too much of a good thing can be a bad thing everyone knows that with that said I look forward to three hours again next week oh no for a conclusion that I feel like is I'm worried is not going to be as climactic as I'm hoping it will be but maybe it will be it will be I believe glass is half full full yeah all right uh and with that with that we would like to wish you all a great