let me ask you in terms of the labor party um we've heard about we're going to attack uh The Gangs we've heard that we're going to have a bordar eight weeks in there isn't a bordar yet seven or 8 thousand people have crossed the channel um I'm going to say something that will result in me being probably castigated by many people surely the best deterrent is two things one right you're not allowed to come in a boat because we're going to turn your boat round they're on you're going to turn your boat around and send you back and I'm not listening to all these people they've come from somewhere that's that's that's my first but my second feeling is do you think or what the labor party think that if we weren't as soft as we are in this country right under the banner of let's be humanitarian which I get with Ukraine but if we weren't so soft and if it wasn't so easy for people to arrive and get house benefits everything that lot of people like these pensioners will struggle right do you think that would be a deterrent because I've always thought that would be DET I thought if it's more difficult to go to Britain because actually I'm not going to end up in a force out with loads of money in my bank I wouldn't go