Tim Ballard TORCHES Himself and Church: Vengeance and Betrayal Unveiled

Intro just said like yeah I have such a close relationship actually probably closer than some of his own kids but I would never take advantage of that very personal grandfatherly relationship never use his name I would never use his name to tell you how close we were so that you can trust me more but in saying that do you trust me more like hello I'm Ryan fiser joined by Cara barell and this is the Timmy did what podcast we're going to dive into uh responses from a video that was recently post about an interview that Tim did in which he covers a whole range of subjects his relationship with Elder Ballard his Fidelity to the church on this very interesting rant so stretch get limberg because we're going to play some mental gymnastics here with these arguments and it's G to be uh fun are you saying that there's some things that Timmy did yeah he did some what today Timmy did what what all right all right let's get into it all right okay Elder B Elder Ballard Connection connection Tim talked about this in a recent interview he did online uh just within the last week um reiterating his relationship with Elder Ballard this is an important story to him he makes a lot of claims about his relationship um and these are pretty bold claims especially after the church denounced him issued a public statement back in September denouncing him as somebody that took advantage of his relationship with Elder Ballard and so he is still beating the drum that Elder Ballard and him were very close good buddies good friends and Katherine even even just reiterated two days ago in an interview um that uh Elder Ballard had no knowledge of that statement No knowledge of the church's statement and we're going to get to what she says also so is that they all got I was very close friends with President M Russell Balor very close and and this is a sensitive topic but I'm G to go I'm G to go here with you right now like so close we took trips together I was at his house he would call me I saw him probably once or twice a month and I'll ask this guy and I C you'll be talking a little later how how close of relationship that I have with Russell Balor I I think I think it's closest his own kids maybe even closer that's the truth okay so these are these women all knew that and so a convenient lie because they want to act like I spiritually manipulated them is they they got together and they said hey let's let's let's let's all say that Tim use Elder Ballard's name to get us to do Convenient Lies this so he says that he is very close to Elder Ballard good friends he starts off by claiming that he was besties without her Ballard and that's true I can attest to that um everything he's saying is true but then he immediately goes in to be raing the women and um saying that he did not claiming that he did not use Elder Ballard to spiritually manipulate him those women well he just used Elder Ballard to build himself up and then claims he doesn't use Elder Ballard to build himself up you see what I'm saying extremely transparent it's so transparent okay but that's just I mean you decide for him for yourself whether that was self aggrandisement with elder balor's name or not yeah and when he says that's a convenient lie for them to say because they knew my relationship with elder Balor was so close that it's just convenient for them to say I spiritually manipulated them I think Tim is just very familiar with convenient lies and he's like it actually was a pretty convenient lie to spiritually manipulate them by building myself up as close besties with elder Balor to sanction X Y and Z that I want to do with these women he's very familiar with convenient lies he knows them more than anything and so often a narcissist accusations are admissions so I think that's an admission of using a convenient lie without him realizing how transparent he sounds and this video is from last week um the church denounced him in their public statement 10 months ago and he is still using Elder Ballard to prop up his own right rightousness I mean what would you what would you call this like credibility probably yeah yeah and that's why he goes in and he says and that's why it was so shocking and it was so hurtful that some Rogue person released this to a tabloid when I was so close with him not taking any accountability of what would uh fracture that relationship not taking responsibility of what he did it just as somebody Rogue within the LDS church did something and it's so hurtful that should have never been done or said about me but me and me and Elder ballot are still super super close he just happened to die right around the time that uh he might need to get like deposed or something for a trial go on all right let's continue I know he's on the other side that to believe that you know okay first of all how hard was it m to get them to do this did we have to convince them no they they want they they volunteer they they show up to us I didn't have to convince anyone and what a stupid lie anyway and you're you got to be a total idiot that to believe that you know if if their story is true the church put a statement out saying that I betrayed my friendship with ELD B it's most offensive thing that's happened I say the church I don't know what that means people inside they came out and said that that that I betrayed my friendship with elder Balor uh and used his name and the only Solace I had that I know he's on the other side and knows the truth wow the most offensive thing was that that's what hit me that that he Most Offensive Thing that the church claims that he used Elder Ballard's name without authorization uh to what was the most offensive thing about the lawsuits to you uh you know if I was an innocent man and I was accused of a thing Tim Ballard would be uh Tim you're accused of being a sex traff you're accused of literally trafficking women and raping them you're accused of being a rapist who traffics women to other women to other countries to practice the couple's ruse on them to spiritually manipulate them into having sex with them while they are traumatized and going through panic attacks that's the most offensive thing if that were if Tim was innocent to dedicate your life to ending sex trafficking and then be accused of being a sex trafficker that should be extremely offensive to your core character but no his core character is found in his allegiance that speaks volumes allegiance to his friendship with Elder Ballard so of course that's the most offensive thing is his position next to Elder Ballard and it's no coincidence that he repeats that over and over again that that's the most offensive thing when Tim you are being called a rapist in these things that's the most pinous thing you can do to another person that you fight your life's Mission apparently against and that's what you're accused of in the lawsuit with evidence and yet that is what he says is the most offensive thing is the breakdown of his relationship with Elder Ballard how is that not there's there's about a 20 different things in this video that we pulled from lastation and that is one of them that unbelievable that he would say something like that never ever did I talk specifics with him about how we do operations I wouldn't even want I wouldn't want him to even know that right because I've never even had a conversation with him about it he never authorized it and I never said he authorized it so the fact that that someone representing the church would say something that is not true and then disseminated to Vice magazine and Des book desire Ed and you know other places that they own uh networks that's really bad that is bad that's really really really bad I just want to pause and say I've never seen a more Drunk Tim drunk looking person in my life if you were like on the street corner out of a bar and somebody was ranting about their ex-wife or like somebody who betrayed them and just all of the things and their ego is the only thing talking through the alcohol and he's like it's bad it's really really bad and like I've read the transcript of this and just going from his points to points to points he's not the normal Tim that's like actually talking in an interview that at least is a little more coherent like he's going from like I was betrayed by this person and they said this and this is this person is [ __ ] and is really really bad like he sounds like obviously like intoxicated to me at least in this speech you know rally Tim where he gets in front of his crowd and bass is not this guy he's very well spoken most of the time very passionate um but he's he's resorting to insults personal attacks and insults and impressions of the women and everybody that he doesn't like um demeaning Impressions so that somebody who is in a more coherent like non- intoxicated state of mind would have better logic and rationale to to hold back a little bit more but you would think so but so you would hope so I know that they don't know that all they know is that a handful of woman said that of course they did it's if you think about it it's the it's the most convenient lie to make me look bad and I will never confess something and I've talk I have this great bishop and I said Bishop I'm not gonna confess something I didn't do I will never do it I I'll go to my grave first and and uh because there's no way there there's leadership I guarantee it put my life on in fact I know for a fact because I've talked to some who knows that that was wrong couple other things I like pointing out the Liars of the lies the Liars separate part of the interview if you notice how he just said that I have this bishop that is like you know never confessed anything you didn't do and then in a separate part he's also said like I've gone to my bishop and said should I just like make this go away should I just confess should I just do it like and and then he tells kind of two different stories it's like did you say you were never going to confess and you'll never admit to something or do you also sometimes say I'll just confess so he plays it both ways and then if you notice like what he just said here and and uh because there's no way there there's leadership I guarantee you put my life on in fact I know for a fact because I've talked to some who knows that that was wrong again he's so transparent and you can kind of see through the lies if you're if you've talked to somebody and you have a confirmation that something is true you don't start off the sentence personally by saying I would bet my life on such and such actually I've talked to people and they've confirmed it you just go straight to I've talked to people and they've confirmed it you don't start with I bet my life on such and such so it's it's this posturing and this transparency that he I it's very easy to see through for me where he he's so hurt and scorned by this offense of the church denouncing him that he'll say anything like I've talked to people and everybody within the church said this was wrong this was a rogue decision this did not come from Elder Ballard have you talked to people and that's what the church actually does regret or is you were just inserting your your wishes into what that you wish the church would have done differently like Would You Bet Your Life on it that other people within the church who want to take it back or have you actually talked to people because he's he's saying both here even if I had done it to go out to the public they they did it I think because the headline would have been Elder Ballard accused of pimping out women or whatever right so instead you know I guess better than a whole you know that one man perished in his family yeah the whole then the whole nation blah blah blah I don't know if that's an excuse so what is he talking about there he he's saying that the headline would have been that Elder Ballard was pimping out kids what his point is is that before the Vice news article came out and exposing like the women in the lawsuit and all the things Tim is alleged to have done if the church didn't come out preemptively and denounce it that the headline when Vice kind of revealed everything is that Elder Ballard was in connection with this so the church needed to preemptively release that statement so he's like okay I guess it's better for one man to per like be killed and then a whole woman it's better for one man to perish than a whole nation perish and belief that that kind of Book of Mormon scripture so he's like okay I'm like the sacrificial lamb of this whole situation uh yeah so he's saying that the Vice news article was influenced by the church who wanted Tim to be the Fall Guy for Tim's questionable behavior and not Elder Balor I get that's that's logic man I honestly like I feel sorry for Tim here um yeah I I feel sorry he's obviously very hurt very angry this angry raging rant um man he was a good friend of mine and and I I I it it's sad I I'm just really sad at where he's ended up kind of like losing touch with somebody after high school and then I always have to go back to the high school reunion analogy every time be like oh man you really let yourself go into brothel to go rape women I'm really that's anyway I'm pulling back your empathy to make fun of what a piece of shedy is sorry yeah I feel both Mo both emotions it's this is gonna be hard to get through okay let's uh let's get going I guess of all of all the offenses that's the one that's hurt that's hurt the most is is I I did not say that I've never come close to saying that and that that anyone inside of my church that I love and I still believe in and I still go with my family and I still participate you know and I and I still defend everybody knows that was wrong yeah there's no one that would say oh that was the right thing that's what Jesus would do he'd go put an article out in the uh you know Jerusalem times and say hey guess what I found someone who's who who Who's unworthy or who what they say h i committed an immoral act H what would Jesus do I mean Jesus did Jesus Calls Out Hypocrisy call out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees the hypocrisy of the Jews the elevating one principle over another mhm um that like in in the scripture that comes to mind is um when Jesus is talking Jesus talking to the Pharisees when he says that you pay tribute in tithes of mint and ants and all these things but you neglect the weightier matters of the law like charity and and um loving your your neighbor as yourself and you do all these Expressions these outward expressions of virtue but in your hearts are you actually a virtuous person you know Jesus didn't mix words he called out hypocrisy of of um those institutions and um I don't I think it's probably a scripture that um would be more condemning of Tim's actions than actually supportive of his of his actions yeah he's just trying to look at the even if I was guilty of an immoral act or adultery or something he's immediately goes to the just remember Jesus would have Grace for me even if but yeah you have you're right on there about the hypocrisy of what you Proclaim to be in the world versus who you know the whole your lips are close to me but your hearts are far from me kind of scriptures and uh the the kind of scriptures about how you will know a true Prophet from a fake one and what their fruits are there are more women who allege that Tim you yourself are a sex trafficker than have ever saved more like the number of kids there are more people alleging that you are a fraud than you are a savior and that is a fruit that this man who's in so many ways thinks of himself as a modern Mormon prophet and been set apart by by that by leadership of the church like the fruits of you know who proclaims to speak for God should speak for themselves those are the things like you mentioned too what what Jesus would have taught so this is not working to his favor and I mean let's point out what he's claiming he was so wronged over is that the church publicly denounced him publicly said that he did something immoral and wrong and that's what's so offensive in this whole video who is he talking about does he he publicly denounces claims that by name Sasha by name the lawyers rasmason and and [ __ ] and also by name um some of the other women he claims in this video that they are being immoral Liars horrible people out to ruin him he's not even asking acting in accordance with what he expects of himself to be treated but the church he's he's calling people out he's the Jerusalem Times Printing salacious things now about these women yeah he's not even acting as Christlike as he would expect the church to act towards him so he's a he's a walking talking hypocrite yeah just just in like replaying this video you can see contradictions in what he says and just full-blown hypocrisy yeah wow when certain institutions people or media come out and say things that they they know they don't know but they're going to do anyway and kids get hurt I just hope that I get to be a fly on the wall on the other side and the video gets to be played and they get to see all the kids who were never rescued because they chose to try to protect their image or they've chose money or they chose something else and showed a complete lack of Integrity uh and and they did it because that's all this is doing is hurting kids now I I I believe in God I believe that God has a way to I I believe in a commensurate kind of blessing you know so this could all turn net positive that's my hope you know um you know I've posted it there's it's all over the Mexican news that that we took down this trafficking ring but I know how how much bigger it was and I know all those other kids are now gone they'll be they'll be traded to other cartels they'll be passed off and that's all thanks to Sasha for revealing things not only me I I the Mexicans want to put them under investigation I've heard talks of it several times uh for obstructing justice because they they welcome them into the country to help us rescue their kids and then they do this I truly thought more Revengeful Vengeance people would know F confess that um so he's now um grouped the Church of Jesus Christ of lar Saints the leaders of the church into being part of the pedophile ring part of supporting human trafficking because their statement and the women's lawsuits and the criminal investigation and all of it has nothing to do with his actions or choices he made and they are going to be accountable before God and and what's so telling is he wants to be there when they receive their Vengeance like in a revengeful vengeful place like I can't wait until I can see them suffer and be condemned by God he wants them to be condemned by God and he's so looking forward to that day I mean that's what he said yeah that just proves to me that some people are purely religious from their own ego driving the car like you do not speak on half of like the Jesus Christ that you're supposedly worshiping if you cannot wait to see like your enemies and the people who've betrayed you and outed you all the way up to the church that you believe in that you can't wait to see them suffer because they've wronged you like that's your that's your highest religious goal it's not to like love and serve and administer like Christlike love across the world and into the eternities in your like mansion in heaven your number one like faction of of Mormonism is is dead set on Vengeance for the church that you believe in he's not healthy he's not doing well to think that he can say these things and he's not going to be called out for them he's talking about how much he loves Elder Balor how much he loves the church how faithful he is he attends everyone but I can't wait until the leaders of the church get condemned by God and thrown in hell like which wh which one which one is it I mean you kind of can't have it both ways your heart can't be in both places but right and it perfect how pointed out that he is grouping that like I don't it blows my mind that when people call me out for the things that I've done that you're hurting kids how do you not understand that you're hurting kids less kids are getting saved because my credibility is going down and if that is true if Tim Ballard is a fantastic person at rescuing kids then just get your ass in gear and just save the kids because it's your own self who's shooting yourself in the foot and the condemnation would be on your shoulders for not being able to save more kids it is not on the church not on the women for you not taking accountability for your immoral and malicious actions so he wants to put every single thing on the the shoulders of the women and as we've pointed out over and over again everywhere Tim goes it is lies it's fraud it's exaggerations about what he's done to save kids and it it does not take any stretch of imagination to look at the evidence and believe the women that he is guilty of a lot of these things it's going to go through trial it's going to have like he's going to have his day in court but up to this point everything is still just a deflection of of the condemnation of the church none of none of it is on his shoulders but if you're gonna be such a great guy at saving kids it's just Unthinkable that like you could not have any remorse or or a a a shred of self-reflection that maybe you're not the best at saving kids the question that I I hope that someday he'll be able Where are your supporters to honestly take a look at and I I don't mean this to be insulting to Tim um but I ask where are your supporters um the church is run from Tim his own organization Oar has ran from him obviously Deseret Book is no longer publishing his books um people that have worked very close with them have publicly come out and in opposition Eric MOS Jimmy Rex and I can think of probably a half a dozen or more people that I know personally that don't want their names in this Saga that have worked directly for o as directors as high up as board members they're not running to Tim's Aid to defend his honor and his reputation and how many people need to jump off the badwagon before he takes some self-reflection and say all right maybe I screwed up maybe I let my ego go unchecked for too long and I did something wrong um it's there I see no No wiggle room room or not even a shred of remorse or regret or admission admission of giving up any leeway that things might this couple's ruse might have not gone as swimmingly as he proposes that it's gone that he might have not acted in complete moral Integrity the entire time he has no wiggle room to to say that he's done all the way including the fact that there is his semen on Celeste skirt that that should never happen in a child sex operation so he can't even admit that at some point yes like something happened where I had to like you know crank went out that like he can't admit that he has ever expelled sexual fluids even though there's DNA evidence of that like on every turn he has no self-reflection and no admission of anything he's stuck with the story this entire time as mountains of evidence have come out against it yeah no accountability that's the word I was looking for um Elder Ballard has not issued a statement in support Glenn Beck has not issued a statement of support of his reputation and character um and countless others so so if he has all Innocent man these leaders that he's talked to personally that know the truth where are their statements of his support where how about his Bishop how about um the State president um where are his his supporters uh and that right wait play wait there is an innocent man's face that is an innocent man if you've ever watched depositions or interrogations when people talk like that Tim they are innocent case closed case closed moved ladies and gentlemen that is what an innocent man sounds like when they speak with conviction because they have so much to lose and their entire reputation and fame built on something and they speak a very matter of factly directly sometimes slurring their words and with a lot of justifications for smearing the names of their victims that's when you know they're innocent the more slurring and smearing the more innocent the person is because why would they say such horrible things if it wasn't true makes inent man right there innocent man Elder Ballard he screams at the family Elder balard that he's like I would never use his name for my own benefit who is he talking about in this entire video who a relationship is he exalting as his own personal special Rel relationship who is he claiming that he has a relationship with that's probably more that's closer than the man has with his own kids I think that's so interesting so transparent like when people don't realize what they're saying he just said like yeah I have such a close relationship actually probably closer than some of his own kids but I would never take advantage of that very personal grandfatherly relationship would never use his name I would never use his name to tell you how close we were so that you can trust me more but in saying that do you trust me more like you're saying the quiet part out loud brao yeah the quiet part out loud you're your stream of Consciousness out loud yeah but it's not veiled it's got to be more veiled I don't know he's convinced of it though so but they didn't come to me me Truth they didn't come to me and say hey hey these women saying that you the brother's name and you never so let me ask you this if you're truly looking for truth I've been an investigator for 20 years believe me if you really want truth you're gonna at least go to the other side and give them a chance but the truth didn't matter Troy the truth didn't matter so again he's calling out the institution of the LDS church as apparently not even coming to him before they issued the denouncement and breakdown in the relationship and he's saying that as an investigator for the last 20 years he knows more about how to find truth than the Mormon church that he believes in and upholds as the one true church he literally just stated if you're really looking for truth you would get my side of it they didn't the church is not after truth and now they are harming kids and more kids are set up to a a senten to a life of rape because of the way that the church denounced me how do he not see how transparently egocentric that is and that none of the dots actually align that it all points to no it all actually aams Razer you did do these things you are guilty and now you're just speaking out of this this freef fall that you're in grasping at straws so desperately like it's extremely transparent he does not realize that he's saying all these quiet Parts out loud my ex-wife now I drive the kids to swim practice drunk and that's her fault that's that's again that's the air of Tim valard is everything is everybody else's fault except for mine I have never done anything wrong I am the person who drives them to swim practice how could I be the bad guy how could I be the bad guy when I'm the one driving the kids to swim practice are you telling me that I'm doing a bad job driving them to swim practice oh you think I'm doing it drunk well how can I but I'm doing a good thing while I'm drunk is that a problem for you you don't want me to drive them to swim practice I just want you to drive them drunk so you don't want me to drive them to swim practice that's that's basically his logic What mattered was was was PR What mattered was avoid a headline that might say something negative about the Ballard so let's destroy a family let's hurt a family let's I can't tell you how badly it hurts of all the hurt that statement is is the thing that hurts the worst dirty laundry I just grateful I have peace in my soul knowing that I did not do that I just cannot believe I can't believe decided whoever it was to go ahead and put out something that they knew that they didn't know they might have suspected maybe the girls are telling the truth but they knew they didn't know because you can't know something that's not true so they knew they didn't know but they went for it anyway and as a con and and and as a consequence has put a family who been faithful okay can you interpret all right quick quick interjection yeah interpret that for me okay so I just also wanted to add in some context here that Tim is talking about the church releasing a statement denouncing him for some kind of immoral actions and he's like even if they suspected and like you can't know something that wasn't true because I didn't do anything to these women how dare they put out something uh that that isn't true like that let's just add in a little bit of context that Glenn Beck who to his credit does have a lot to lose for propping him up where with him on the Nazarene fund giving him millions of dollars to start o platforming him on his show for so long that Glenn Beck and the blaze were one of the first people who uh the women reached out to and there's that recording of the podcast that came out very early on last fall where glenbeck was like I've seen the text messages from the women they showed me like I've seen the evidence and I think I believe the women they so Tim is not taking into context this isn't just the LDS church who have seen evidence of your transgressions this is your bestest other Bud Glenn Beck who would have been fighting for you in your corner but he was so convinced by the evidence of what the women allege that he took his entire platform The Blaze and started doing investigations on you to distance himself from you with evidence with so much to lose the church is not going to go that far but Glen Beck being who he is and having that platform to do it Glen Beck and the Mormon Church are just kind of twps in the same pot it's somebody who worked with Tim Balor the church is not going to go and expose this investigation and say that they saw the women and they're going to distance themselves but Glenn Beck did and so he's just he's he's using the church as a placeholder here but it could just as easily be swapped with Glenn Beck you see what I mean yeah yeah Glenn Beck's Glenn Beck reputation is tied to Tim because he platformed Tim and like everything you said he has a lot to lose it's embarrassing for him it's embarrassing for the Blaze TV it's it's embarrassing and shameful for him just like it is more and yet he did the same thing he denounced him he believed the women the church obviously believed the women or we don't know for sure but they believed that something bad very bad went down that they needed to cut him off and then he's failing to also acknowledge that his own organization Ur that he founded also cut him off like there was an internal investigation into the women's claims to the point where his family who were riding Tim's gravy train that that are on the board who have everything to lose people like Eric must who are former friends of his people in his Circle had to ditch him early on because they saw the text messages there's an internal investigation everyone who had a vested interest in believing Tim had to look at the evidence of what the women presented with the text messages with everything a lot of things that are laid out in the lawsuit and they believed the women Tim is conveniently forgetting that to say that they're saying they they're they're posting statements of things that are not true that they know they don't know what about Eric Mis what about Glen Beck you know countless other people who said that they have seen the writing on the wall and their Jumping Ship yeah to that the only person who hasn't weighed in and denounced him I guess God is that what it would take for God to come down in person an angel with a flaming sword telling him to stop to the church from Tims Betrayal day one and still faithful I will never betray the church never deny me by testimony of the Book of Mormon I will never deny my testimony of Joseph Smith you know I will not do those things I will not I've been I I've had all these offers from these like Evangelical churches like dude come you come you you tell this story you can start your own church you could have a huge I'll never do that this is the Church of Jesus Christ that's right I'm notna I'm not gonna do that I know that he know I know work I know the couple's RS might sound weird to some people it doesn't fit anywhere into the you know the white handbook that says how how to you know how to you know keep the kingdom orderly there's no section on how to rescue children from sex traffickers wait I want to explain something and study and use my team we've had to figure that out on our own let get it so he's saying that there's no church handbook on how to rescue sex traffic kids and I know that the couples's r and stuff might sound weird but this is how we do it so many things to deconstruct within that statement alone that every institution that actually does this has denounced Tim's tactics that say the coupl ruse is not a standard up all the way up to Matt Osborne of O and other people within o who still work there have admitted that the coup's ruse is not a good standard practice and we don't actually support it so there's that they sto doing it yeah spear fund he's still doing it in his new organization but like we had to figure that out on our own get it people will just dismiss it but but but I I will I I'm grateful for the opportunity to to publicly say I will never ever I don't care who I don't care there's not one person on this planet that if they if they came to me unless it was God himself an angel or something that says sorry we need you to lie to protect you know other bol's name from from defamation so I just again want to say that his point there was like uh this might sound weird to people the couple's ruse but there's no instructions from the scriptures or from the church on how to get these things done and Ryan do you think it's kind of telling that somebody who claims that you know this child sex trafficking is this like gazillion dollar a year industry which I'm sure it is you know a real a real thing of course that that that it has to be addressed in the world and that Tim from the time that he's used Janet Russen as his psychic for his main source of intelligence to find no one in Haiti and his solution is always at the Forefront there's no answers in the scriptures for how to do this so my team we've prayed we've read like this came by Revelation from God is a lot what he said about the r on why he thinks it's going to work that it's not like well the couples's r might sound weird because we've gone to the best agencies and this is a tactic that they use that has a lot of success he is an isolated uh person who solely thinks thought thought up the couples's rules and implemented it with horrendous results that's completely being condemned by every other reputable sex trafficking organization but at the Forefront it is it's God gave this to me this is what prayed about that we should do and it would only be stopped if God told me to stop doing it or that I should like confess to something I didn't do I think it's very telling very transparent that his interpretations of what is being fed to him by God is all that really matters and he will only change his tune if God's GNA come to him and God is his own brain God is his own ego and it's not going to come to him to tell them to confess there's there's no possible way that the couple's ruse with all the trauma that's been incured under it that it could possibly be anything except for just you know Tim's own ego and his own sexual deviant yeah and rewinding Tim started Operation Underground Railroad in the Department of Homeland Security as a special agent combating child sex slavery and human trafficking so if and I can confirm he did work for DHS I've traded conversations emails with his boss back in 201 I have a lot of documentation when we were starting to do uh a TV program called the abolitionists um while he was at DHS he did work for ghs and DHS has a white handbook or at least has training guidelines and policies for how they were conducting saving kids multiple law enforcement agencies have been doing this for a long time there is a training manual a white handbook whatever you want to call it there are procedures for doing this and he's fully aware of what those are because he worked for DHS um and so I don't know I don't which is interesting tie in because that's our other obsession is with the his American Covenant stuff in the past and all of the speeches that I've watched I think you can attest because you've been there you recorded them you platformed them that when he needs to talk about what he's doing with oou are to Mormon audiences at like Book of Mormon evidence conferences and stuff he starts it by talking about uh how America is this chosen land this like second uh Jerusalem set apart this special Zion as the American continent and that that we needed to abolish slavery that's why he called it operation Underground Railroad because he's like obsessed with the Civil War and mormonism's supposed role in like freeing the slaves and stuff and so he he talks about endlessly when he's trying to connect the two for people that he he said so matter of factly that he's like when I got this job at Department of Homeland Security to fight sex trafficking or going into o I'm like where do I turn what do I do he just throws his hands up in the air and he's like oh my gosh I look to uh I Look to American history on how we freed the slaves I look to the American continent what does the American Covenant I look to the American Covenant and the Book of Mormon of how when we are in Covenant with God to restore this nation to to a righteous and prosperous land the answers are within American history and they're within the book of Mormon on how to save sex trafficked kids around the world his manual he holds it up I have videos of him holding it up and saying the manual for how to end sex trafficking hold up the scriptures triple combination Mormon scriptures Bible Book of Mormon it's right here it's in this it's in the story of restoring the American Covenant to the American continent and that is what's horrifying to me at the amount of millions of dollars he's had at his disposal and his main source of intelligence a psychic and then his main manual he does not look to standard like procedures and protocols that have been established by industry experts he goes to his cooky Mormon book written by Joseph Smith that's what he goes to is his religion so again it's very telling that the thing that hurts the most is the church breaking off the relationship with him and Elder Ballard bringing him down a peg when that's all he wants is to be like seen as the most spiritual guy who's saving kids under the direction of God so to be cut off from his Church's leadership and that relationship that's got to hurt do all that make sense yeah he moved away from Religious Ideology law enforcement DHS and really became obsessed with religious ideology religious dogmas and Old Testament doctrines and and sees his entire world view through the lens of an Old Testament God a vengeful angry seriously Old Testament God and that it's a very black and white world and so that's problematic when you're running a nonprofit in the Modern Age it can't be based on Old Testament doctrines and rules and um the fear of a vengeful God you know those those two things just don't mix in the modern age I don't I don't know how else to put it so yeah Unconventional Means makes sense and I did not do that but I've never I've never seen the section on how to infiltrate to rescue God's children who have been kidnapped and and trafficked there's no section on that we have unconventional means all throughout the scriptures where God asked men to do things that were uh not the norm like Nephi cutting laan's head off um he asked Abraham to lie about his wife and while those are problematic already to begin with uh they're not really good to be used for like the average church member alone let alone somebody who thinks of themsel as a prophet and has this prophetic mantle and is called by God and has everything sanctioned by an apostle of God like yeah that's not a good thing to say God has unconventional ways to achieve his like the means to his ends yeah through murdering people and uh having Affairs you know with conc vs like none of that is good abrahamic tests like on their face they're not good but they're definitely not good for a person who thinks of themsel as a prophet yeah with a second anointing ceremony possibly like with no consequences that's not you're not making the point you think you guys are making yeah your defense being well hey Nephi God asked Nephi to behead laan in the Book of Mormon so what I'm doing hey it's not beheading people but it might be okay in sanctioned by God like those are not the examples from the scriptures that you should be latching on to because those things in the Old Testament those abrahamic tests Abraham sacrificing Isaac on an altar um all of the strange things in the Old Testament and the scriptures have been used by multiple absolute genocidal Maniacs to justify Wars to justify killing other people to justify doing heinous crimes crimes it's an extremist position it's a fundamentalist position that I don't think has led to very many good fruits even if you believe that those prophets at like one time an exception you believe in those scriptures and God had an exception for this one thing you would have to admit that various religious figures Fanatics Cults have also pointed to uh un unconventional means unconventional means to carry out their actions as well pointing to those so this is not making the point that you think it's making Brothers the judeo-christian scriptures are a set of stories whether they're fables or history um to be decide the point there are set of stories that have Generations have chosen to hand down from generation to generation to discuss the problems and the theology or the the debate over what is moral they're uh talking points they're stories to guide us in a in a moral way that's what they aspire to do right um when you open it up to this that well God can command anybody to do anything like kill somebody kill a whole nation to do lie to do anything you are obviously undermining the entire purpose of the scriptures because you're stating that well whatever the morality the scriptures States whatever was in the teachings of Jesus that's irrelevant if God inspires you to go behead somebody then that's what you should do and so it makes this argument makes the entire purpose of passing this story book down from generation to generation as a basis and foundation for Morality in our society irrelevant it makes it completely irrelevant and it makes you the sole source of morality in your life and in for the people around you do you see the 100% And then just to add to that I don't like when people use like a religious bully pulpit where they can speak outside both sides of their mouth so when it's convenient like in this interview he says out of one side of his mouth was is that what Jesus would do would he condemn you know the adulterer and put that in the Jerusalem times so he's talking about the grace filled Jesus and then uh when he needs to do some unconventional means that could be seen as very heinous and not reputable then he's able to point to you know the Old Testament the law of Moses god the more like condemnation of God he's us he's able to uh prop up whatever version of God suits his means and it's very very obvious and that really is highlighted if you read his books he'll cherry-pick little quotes and episodes from American history and weave it into a story that supports his worldview and his worldview is there's a vengeful God over America and he's grasping at um statements and beliefs from history to You Should Start Your Own Church construct this narrative and all you need to do is know your history know the scriptures and you can see that plain as day that he's cherry-picking these pieces of Doctrine and information to construct a worldview that is actually opposite of what history States what the Bible States what Jesus would actually do and things like that so but and evangelicals apparently have come to him and said you should start your own church that's not a very good thing I would hope that more evangelicals could see through this guy who has completely built his entire platform around the Book of Mormon uh being tied in with American history that not only I don't think that's that's really going to happen but let alone do you really want that guy joining your Evangelical movement who is so well known as at cherry-picking and proof texting his opinions on what salvation means what uh is it like a god-honoring sacrifice for uh you know the betterment of the children around the world it just shows that if there really are evangelicals or Catholics like we've seen that have come to him and said hey come join us like that probably means that they look like they want to get they want to get something out of this uh type of profiteering no pun intended that Tim Ballard is so good at and and bring their bring his following of uninformed like spiritual uh extremism extremism into their branch of Christianity that doesn't bode well for what your Christianity is if that's what you are trying to do trying to bring Tim Ballard over so anyway this is an amazing segment so far and I think we're absolutely roasting him I don't know I'm I I take no joy in this honestly it's it's really sad it's really sad to me and I I I hoped it I I would have expected better it's he's not the man that I became friends with um absolute power corrupts absolutely and I've seen way too much uh Charisma and something within this Tim Ballard character he's gotten to a place where taken everyone out around him filled him his circle with yes men and lackes and now this absolute power corrupts absolutely without any kind of checks and balances to get a trying to get away this doing some heinous crimes to women and people that he's stabbed in the back yeah it seems a really good example of that um but I will say and I'm not trying to give him a pass with this or not hold him accountable but seeing how he got millions of dollars a huge following um like bestselling books endorsement from the church and Elder Ballard um all of these things I can't put it past anybody that under those circumstances it wouldn't go to their heads I don't know even if I I I could see myself ending up in this video totally any of us are capable and uh and Su susceptible to this kind of ego and grandis M under those circumstances and so it's the circumstances that I now want to lay out and show how did he get where he's at and what is kind of the bigger picture and what were the conditions that created the Tim Ballard that we are now faced with and have to reconcile with today yeah if you find this content and this analysis enlightening entertaining important at all I hopefully you do then please support us on Pat patreon we're trying to launch this and reach as many people as possible produce as much content as possible and really be an accurate in-depth analysis bringing your sources you can't get anywhere else that takes a lot of time and effort and your support really helps us make all that possible that will just cost a couple bucks a month thank you guys so much if you're on patreon right now but subscribing to this channel cost nothing uh liking it sharing it cost you nothing helps out our Channel a lot get it out to more people as 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