executed well it wasn't just auk play or some run plays like they came prepared they took their deep shots they had some athletes on the outside those are Big T strong receivers who were making plays and they had some guys that were disruptive up front um so I I mean the one thing I would say just don't dismiss it as hey we played like junk and this is a Mac team this is this is going to be a team that I think may win the Mac or be in the MAC Championship game and doesn't mean we shouldn't have played better but you know that's that's that's not the Bowling Green that came into Penn State in 1998 you know this is team I agree with you yeah I mean I think they're a good team after they executed on everything like in the first half you know they were they were like spotless you know so I mean I do agree with that for sure and like the back shoulder throw on the Deep play I mean what else do you want the defensive back to do I mean I don't think anyone like like I said Duca took a couple bad angles on plays um and he'll he'll correct that but there wasn't plays where guys were like completely out of line or or anything I think you got to give credit to Bowling Green really executed what they wanted to do at a high level and there wasn't guys like running like wide open like they made contested catches and the quarterback played a very nice game and we're just not getting the same pressure from the defensive ends early in the season as we had in Prior years to speed up some of those throws I feel um which I think is giving these quarterbacks a little bit more a little bit more time especially in in this game it seemed noticeable we're just not firing off like we have in the past three four years yeah I don't think we had a sack I don't think we even really came close maybe once or twice but uh Abdul Carter might want to move back to linebacker because we need him a linebacker and yeah I mean I said it early in the season I mean it just like defensive end Smith vilbert um Deni Dennis Sutton I mean vanover I mean they have dep there um and I just think he was going to be more of a situational defensive end right second and long third and long um but yeah I mean it could be something you know that that they look at but I mean we'll we'll see I mean they just got they got to get it corrected before they go out to USC and that's all that that's all that matters yeah absolutely definitely a ton of credit goes to Bing green I mean they're a good team um I thought that we would perform much better obviously we should have uh even against this you know bulling green is not like Delaware or what I think Kent State will be but uh still should have performed better I you know overall they just the you know the quarterback uh he he did good um he was you know he's definitely a legit player legit quarterback it's a lot of poised yeah very poised and um yeah they just they they took it Bowling Green took advantage and they did well and they started from the opening drive they did really well they attacked our defense uh and that's that's what's scary about college football man football in general that's happened to Alabama it's happened to a lot of schools where an inferior opponent comes in and you can't stop him and that just uh but overall uh just uh just kind of shocking I mean I you know g go for that fourth down remember it's like late in the second and they were driving or something and decided to punt the ball I was watching it my buddy I said I would you go for it I mean like why why you even bothering and it makes it more dangerous to your point about Alabama to Mark as well I mean remember this is a team that was in a ones score game Alabama last year versus University of South Florida in the rain in September that they had a legitim opportunity to lose they went on to win the SEC and go to the national championship game so I wouldn't get overly concerned about playing a a close game early in the season even even I mean look at you know Penn State 2005 they played a close game versus Cincinnati in UCF earlier in the year when they wion the Big 10 even in 2016 you had a situation where P state had a close call versus Minnesota actually lost a pit earli in the year and they wind up bringing it together so you know did anyone see did anything happen to Kevin Winston I didn't think I heard his name nearly as much did he get banged up at all I didn't see him I didn't really I didn't see him playing much all on the game I was actually confused myself he must have been banged up from the beginning of the game or something I don't know but that might might have hurt us a little bit yeah no question me certainly our best safety um and they had a lot of had a lot of deep you know they they took a lot of deep shots um that's a that's a good question because I I don't remember seeing him at all in the second half I don't think so yeah that's yeah I don't know if I missed a play I don't know if I stepped away and I missed like a targeting or something like that I wasn't sure so I figured I'd yeah I think uh Franklin talked about that um he said he wasn't gonna reveal why but I think he did talk about that in his postgame presser did he not play at all or was just limited um I think he played I don't think he played at all in a second yeah I don't think he played at all um from what I you know I was so I don't know I didn't really know he didn't look like he was sweating at all when I saw him in the second half on the sidelines um yeah one thing I that Julian Fleming I mean they just threw him that bubble screen yeah he was in in the first half I saw but uh one thing I noticed too is Drew Shelton started the first half uh he gave up like or he had a holding penalty which I think was a little tacky um and then I saw Nolan r in there uh you know so I noticed that I'm not sure if they were rotating guys but it seems like I I don't know like I said at the beginning it seems like they're experimenting or well they've done that in the past right I mean they've done that early in the season you've seen guys come come in and out I don't think that's completely I don't know man crazy and there's no none of the but none of the but none of these guys have really established themselves right we're talking about Nolan Ruchi and you know who who you mention the other guy um you know none of these guys like were a full-time starter last year where you're like it's an eyebrow razor right where he comes out of the game where you're like hey you know what you know what what happened there um are you concerned about Julian Fleming and and and the production I feel like I I thought they were going to do a couple design plays just to get him the ball early in the first half just to kind of just take some like little like indirect pressure off them but 3 one screen pass to him that was it for three yeah that was it I mean what what what are you guys thoughts on that I mean that's that's going to be a growing topic if it keeps going week and week where you know what's yeah say go ahead Bing green played Scrappy defense I mean Drew Drew had time here and there but then at the same time Drew is running for his life some plays too so I don't I don't know if he had a good grasp on getting people open I mean he made that one crazy throw to KRON that they reversed uh that um it looked like it catch it first but it looks like it hit the ground but like he was running for his life so I mean maybe Jolan was open he just didn't see him sometimes it's really hard to gauge it you'd have to look at the the tape afterwards but yeah yeah like I said you know listen to T Frank it sounded like he it sounded like what he was saying was they were holding back like they weren't running the defense that they normally would they were just kind of keeping it vanilla uh they weren't playing who they could play who's ke Frank Thomas Frank Carr from blue white illustrator okay sorry about that just wanted to you're good um sorry to date myself no you're good man so that's what that's my answer to that is why we're not seeing julan Fleming it sounds like they're just not using them because they don't want to use them until they have to I I don't know until they what is this like an artillery thing I mean that makes no sense I don't know man I mean like you got to get them in in offense I mean what yeah how do you tell that player that what are you going to say like I don't know like I'm not saying he's wrong but it just sounds so crazy like you he Ohio State say well we're not gonna we're gonna intentionally not get abuk of the ball last year because we have Harrison and other guys like I don't know throw to who's open Jared uh what do you think what what do you think about about that the game in general I mean you look at what they had a game planned for I mean it looked like they kind of went away from the running game for a good chunk of the game and then in the second half they kind of like KRON and Nick Singleton do what they normally do I just I felt like Drew Aller like you said kept running for his life the the overall game plan seemed like was not there for Bowling Green I don't know if it did they didn't take him seriously or just the fact that how many seniors do that that that team have like they have a lot of returning seniors they they've played with each other for a long time I mean it just seems like overall you have a guy like James Franklin who I mean it just didn't look good at all defensively I I I've never seen a Penn State team look so inept overall like on that side of the ball like they just had nothing ready for them I mean that one wide receiver was just knocking defensive players down left and right I mean anyone who tried to get him he could get his guy he yardage he wanted it was just it was pretty un to witness a team like Penn State who is always always known for their defense not look like a defensive team at all yeah yeah um I don't know I don't know it was just overall just just strange the way the way they look that you know I now Matt when you say it doesn't make sense you're saying it doesn't make sense that well they wouldn't they wouldn't like well I mean like listen I I I think that if he's open they're going to get him the ball right like I I don't think they're intentionally like necessarily you well they're just not playing him looks like we lost him but um yeah Brett you know what I'm saying right like it just seems I I I know what you're saying but like if they try to if if that's true if they win a game plan like that again we'll freaking lose a game because it was close we could have simply lost that game because they didn't game plan for it like you got to game it's one and0 you have to game plan for it so it just didn't look like the offense had the creativity that it had from the first week even though we had success on it it looked like more vanilla play calling which like it's Bowling Green but once you're starting to get punched in the mouth like figure something out uh Andy koncki was actually burning me out like it was it was let's say it's first and 10 runs the ball gets one yard runs the ball again gets two yards and then it's third and long and you're throwing a 70 yard pass to Omari Evans I'm like what are you doing do you need seven yards and Amari Evans like he didn't even have to push off like he needs to figure it out because he's got talent but like he's pushing off when he doesn't even have to you know what I mean that would have been a touchdown so that that touchdown actually frustrated me because then at that point in the game you're like you're not stressing as much once the defense comes back on the field so I don't know that that was the game planning on offense uh in the second half I know that's when we eventually we were winning but it's because the defense was carrying us so in the second half yeah you know like Matt said you give credit to Bing green yeah they're a good team basac looked good uh I mean how they did that against our defense I don't know because that was really really impressive on their end but uh overall I just I it just seemed very odd kind of the way they were because they were subbing in they sub linebackers a lot and they were subbing Abdul Carter a lot and overall man I I just I I thought it was just just odd um they seem to still be trying to find an identity if you will um as to exactly what they want to do because last week they really didn't show much or do much in the sense that they didn't have to but uh this week they really struggled I feel to like have an identity I mean the offense looked just fine but the defense just looked uh they they I mean Bowling Green just made them look like they were in slow motion really uh it was just overall just very odd uh the way they performed the way they looked and you know they had two sacks did uh Bowling Green um Penn State had zero sacks they had yeah they we are receiving we had Tyler Warren as our leading receiver he's obviously a weapon that a team like that probably isn't got a factor much because just because of they have so many other weapons to focus on but Tyler Warren was leading receiver Amari nick uh both had a receiving touchdown um Nick and Drew both had a a rushing touchdown uh they only had so bulling green had two passing TDS and one rushing TD their highest receiver was Harold Fannon the uh kept shooting the gun he kept shooting the guns I'm like dude I you're gonna you're probably going to regret that when you lose because I did think penate would win but um yeah just overall just it was I don't know man I'm just kind of at a loss for words I really don't we should had 50 points we should have had 50 points Mar Evans touchdown and then the pick in the end zone well Mar Evans pushed off I mean let's be real I mean he he he pushed off he got less lucky last week it wasn't as bad this was way less bad than last week's last week P this we he touched them but what I'm saying is he didn't have to touch them he had he didn't have to touch them but but even the one deep to to even some even the Deep ball to Wallace right like yeah you know Wallace is not like he's not driving off his back foot and coming back through the defender for the ball to either High Point it or Draw the draw the interception and that's just I think a little just a lack of experience but those are just like the little things like they'll get better the plays there the throw is great and it's just that that difference in adjustment yeah that someone like a desan Hamilton or or or a Godwin would have made just because they got reps right like those guys started as freshman so by the time they were sophomores and juniors you know they're ready to make those plays so you know hopefully he learns because those are the plays have to make against USC and certainly against Ohio State if we want to win those games yeah Tyler Warren's catching everything Kudos the Tyler warrant for today he looked great yeah I mean he he was the the the center part of the offense I mean listen yeah I mean look at the Patriots through all those years and the the the Chiefs now with with kelse I mean like tight end listen whoever catches the ball and gets yards I I don't care if it's run back or or tight end you know he's he's doing his thing now let me ask you guys I mean one thing that I thought was going to be incorporated a lot more this year is the runningbacks catching the ball out of the back field um you know he had that nice play with single um I mean what do you guys think you think that's something that are you seeing it as much as you thought you would maybe less than you thought you would yeah I think I mean they could do it a little bit more but I think they're they're getting into getting it into the game plan for sure and the kicking the kick sorry go ahead Mark on the go ahead Mark on the uh the running back yeah I was just going to say they're running the ball a lot which I knew would happen I thought would happen which I like to see but yeah catching out of the back field um I I don't know again I think that's what their identity what they're trying to figure out is what their identity is like what they're trying to do overall on both sides of the ball uh it just seems like they're really trying to figure out because they're definitely rotating guys a lot and I you know that's good but you still want to get your starters in there and get them established and get them rep so that they can get experience because they're going to need it against good teams so I don't know man and what about the kicking I mean those are probably two of the most important kicks in a while I mean if that kicker missed one of them he starting the season one and three one of three or you know 0 of three um and he even kicked the other one that they he he that was waved off and he recked it but I mean I was worried I mean and I mentioned before the start of the Season kicking is one of the areas I'm concerned about just because the way he lost his job last year and didn't regain it and then start the season with with a Miss I mean you we all know how those can go with college kickers you miss one maybe you make one and miss another and all of a sudden it's like man you're you're you're you're having palpitations and when you play usfc or Ohio State those could be one score games yeah I think what frustrated me was the red Z the Red Zone play calling this vehicle shouldn't have happened it was like they they did the the Run thing the Run thing and then threw it in the end zone for an interception like they didn't have any creativity to the offense at all well the one thing I will push back a little bit is if the play that was intercepted I mean that's Drew all I mean you look in front of Harrison walls he had five or six yards between that back horn in the end zone and him I mean he under threw that ball um yeah it was bad throw and and and you know it happens and I'm like I'm not expecting to be perfect but you know I'll push back a little bit because I mean if if he throws it where it is he's he's open right like you know he he lead him he should have let him and I mean he's gota he got to execute right yeah they're getting that nil money now so expectations I think it was the drive before the half that I was more frustrated with I mean that one wasn't as bad but the one before the half where they just like like oh we'll just kick a field goal like you could have you could have tied it up with the touchdown but the play calling was off and on all day I don't know the play calling wasn't as good as it was the first game that's for sure in my eyes anyways on offense yeah but they're staying aggressive to to his tendency of every eight or nine plays they're taking shots right I mean they're they're taking shots which we gota like as fans I mean we we're losing our mind last year right I mean the forward pass seemed to be like you know not even in the Playbook Jared uh what do you think of the [Music] offense you hear me okay Jared guess not I mean you're looking at the both games I mean 34.8 yes I can can you hear me bud yeah yeah you're a little delayed but that's all right but are you hear yeah no okay sorry but no like you look at both games 34 points each and West Virginia to get anything going I mean guys Run game r for Penn Stak that's all it is so in the end I just feel like we are all in for the run but Drew Aller definitely has to get something established I I just don't I don't know really what it is about it he just the way he makes mistakes the way he conducts himself and again it's all play calling too it all comes about I'm not saying that we don't have the wide receivers but the tight end is obviously going to be another option he was phenomenal today eight eight catches 146 didn't they say that was the most foren state in the history of tight ends like I think I saw that like that's awesome to see that for him so yeah they've got that going but then you look at like what did they say they had one catch for a wide receiver in the second half one I mean that that is not going to get it done especially not against Big 10 teams this is not this is a huge concern I don't know about you guys but it just seems like that is not going to make it any better for this uh to establish anything I mean play calling you can do anything you want but in the end it's just not going to get it done against teams like Ohio State or the new guys USC or Washington or Oregon the they will pick that apart and it will limit them to field goals and it's just it's gon to get ugly if they don't figure that out in a hurry Jared uh or well both of you where do you think we go from here I mean what do you think it's going to be the same I mean is this is this do you think like a bad sign in the sense that they're gonna be a bad team I mean I mean no no I don't think they're gonna be a bad team but I do agree no I just I just know that hey Jared you I'm gonna kick you out and just jump back in you're you're behind okay bud go ahead BR yeah I I don't think we're going to be a bad team uh there are there are some rats for concern but by week couldn't have came in a better week let's be honest here and then we have Kent State so I think they're going to clean some stuff up this has happened before but yeah I mean the wide receivers have to get involved more they got to get Julian involved more I I think he's very capable of winning some routes and they can they can uh make some plays for him just like they did for Harrison Wallace last week Harrison Wallace was targeted few times today he had that catch but then they called it back because it was offensive pass interference the offensive line it was kind of the opposite today the Run blocking was better and the pass blocking was worse last week it was the complete opposite of that so I mean it's good that they figured one out one week and figured out the other one the next week but you have to be more consistent and get both of those back in the game so I there just has to be more consistency On The Run blocking and the pass blocking it can't be just this is good this game this is not good this game but it's okay we we'll figure this out like like Jared was saying against Big 10 teams I mean they need to get practicing and fix the mistakes that are happening too many penalties again just like last week that's killing us we we'll come up with a stop or close to a stop and then offsides or holding or whatever it is it it needs to be cleaned up it is only week two but yeah the receivers have to get involved maybe put Tyler Johnson in there or Mai flowers or get those those guys in there I didn't really see them in there so like see if they can get open yeah yeah uh I don't know man like like I said I'm just going off of what T Frank said in the sense that it just looked weird so that would make sense that they're doing weird stuff they're experimenting right now and it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever so because that was just a really weird performance it it it's not just that they didn't score points and they gave up points it was the fact that it just looked very strange just the cohesiveness of it all the defense looked confused uh I mean you've got so many great players on the Penn State side and they're letting up these points to Bowling Green I mean that's just it's unbelievable I mean I know it's co college football but it just didn't make any sense so if they want to experiment they they should have did it they should wait for Ken State because Ken state is not even close to as good of a team as Bowling Greens so I mean does that sound like do you think that that's something they might be doing BR I mean they like they Franklin's always rotated people in games like this but like maybe they didn't think it was gonna be this close either and they just they just ran with it and then by the time they tried fixing it it was almost too late and they just had to figure it out and then they ran the ball and Singleton got free for that touchdown if single if Singleton doesn't come free for that touchdown who knows knows where we're at it's a tie game yeah you end you know again what you said if you rotate guys out I I don't see the benefit at all especially now again we're a 33 and a half Point favorite I mean this this should not have been an issue at all I saw my entire line for like the percentage of winning that game just go littleit by little up for Bowling Green and I'm like there's no way this is a problem I mean luckily I was at work for most of this game so I just kept seeing people in the area constantly coming into the store and just shaking heads like a lot of Penn State people were on halftime and they just could not believe the performance that they were seeing defensively again this is so uncharacteristic I cannot remember a time that this was ever a problem the two things you are guaranteed with Penn State is you have good running backs and you have a defensive line and you never ever questioned any of that so that was always a consistent thing now obviously we have the one thing figured out very very well now I'm not saying you got to put it in perspective or this into your head but suppose one of them does somehow get hurt then it would be a big big problem because I'm not saying relying on just one of them would be the end of the world for Penn State but the KRON and Nick combo has just been the most wonderful thing and I remember when it was starting I remember everyone was talking about well is Nick going to take this thing completely or is ke TR going to show up out of nowhere and they've just run with it literally for the whole what three four years they've been together and this whole thing has been fantastic watching each one get 750 800 yards a piece and they both just come out of nowhere all the time and it's great to watch a guy like KRON just blaze through a line he's fantastic doing that and Nick Singleton he does it just as I mean he's not as good but I mean I once in a while it's like holy cow that dude turns it on and so they're fantastic running the ball but everything else I mean the kicking is good too I mean that is a good thing to see him improve but in tight end I think we're we're pretty good that's a very good performance by him too but like yeah allers decision making and watching what we witnessed I mean that should never be a thing so I I know that next week they're going to really have to just button down the defensive play calling they really got a plan for it I'm not saying it's a player thing too like because the culture as time goes on it's like what are these guys really playing with like how do they practice like what gets them going like players it's it's a very interesting Dynamic the chemistry has to all be there and I'm just saying defensively it just doesn't seem like it's there offensively I see certain things going down and they seem like they're cohesive but sometimes it's like when things are going great they react the way they do but when it's not you can tell it's it's it's one of the most confused looking defenses I've ever seen for Penn State so I feel like that is they have to figure out well my thoughts on that too though is uh I mean the defense played good last week right so that's good news that it happened and then this actually was kind of reminiscent of the Indiana game last year IND they gave us a freaking game and our defense did not look good that day I'm hoping it was it was it was a fluke today I'm hoping it was a fluke maybe it was I mean last year the Indiana game was a fluke other than the Bull game which the Bull game didn't count because we didn't have half our team playing so I don't even count the bowl game last year at all uh the defense and also uh Old Miss has really good receivers so I mean they're gonna they're gonna make plays so uh yeah this is kind of reminiscent of the Indiana game uh I don't know what would happen if Indiana Bing green play but I think it'd probably be pretty close if they if bu if Bowling Green played the way they did today against Indiana I'd see Indiana losing so I don't know I mean there there's there's some pros and cons of the game like you said Tyler Warren looks fantastic fantastic the running game looked pretty great most of the time they ran for like 230 yards or something uh Drew I don't think Drew had that bad of a game I mean there were a couple drop balls a couple contested catches that didn't go go his way um he's still he he was running for his life run out of pocket gaining positive yards there was that one he got sacked he he he he couldn't go anywhere there were four guys chasing after him so yeah the offensive line is a problem he he need he'll make some improvements but the they were rotating a lot of people on the offensive line so I think that's that's what caused that the cohesiveness and the um Everybody playing together at the same time it it's got to get better so and I think the other thing too is like you know you talk about like Rhythm of the offense I mean not to like go NFL here but I mean listen I I've been a Patriots fan my whole life one of the things I think kept them so successful and allowed them to really get receivers in and out there and still move the balls everything moved in Rhythm right two seconds three seconds get the ball out like like that to me was like missing last year in just two steps drops get the ball out we have better athletes force them to make tackles there doesn't seem a lot to be in Rhythm the ball seems to be held just that extra second half second two seconds bread I'm not sure if that's kind of like what you're referring to like like there's not enough uh of that and I like the shots don't get me wrong but it just doesn't seem to be a lot of quick Rhythm uh with the offense it just seems like they're still trying to figure it out a bit and that's why like I said I mean going back I mean listen the Patriots are successful because of that right it's just like get the ball out let the guys make plays and force the defensive backs to make tackles and they don't tackle well in college that's the thing they tackle well in the NFL they don't tackle well in college and you see it all the time even those bubble screens three four one miss tackle 10 yards at a clip um I don't I don't think we throw a slant all day like you still have to throw Slants don't get me like you can't just not throw them like I don't think they threw one all day or maybe they tried and they weren't open but you need that for like a short game for like when it's third and six or something like that and we didn't yeah they just don't think they're making they're they're not giving our simple plays just to bring his completion percentage up right just every six seven throws make it an easy one right and that's what takes completion percentages at the end of the year from 55 to 64% yeah you know well the only person the only person they did that with was Tyler Warren which is great but you need another guy you have to you have to get those plays to other people too yeah and and they got you know receivers that can get the ball and go I just you know just seems to be kind of you know lacking there to just try to give him a little bit of a you know overall I think the offense looked pretty good uh yeah they there was they had to get better on third down like Franklin said but overall I think they looked fine I mean the defense just didn't do any favors um they just they gave up points Drew looked pretty good I mean the execution was not as good as it should have been but the Run game looked good blocking overall I thought was pretty good uh and you know you got between KRON and Singleton you you know like Greg G has said in the past you got two bcal guys you got two you know a one and two punch um it's it's pretty crazy uh you know just how good they they they looked I mean they they look good uh overall but the defense just again they just they look confused just there's a lot of question marks there um and thing that sucks right now is that we're going into a byee and we're going to go into a byee with this sour taste in our mouth um it's a win like they're definitely I don't know I don't know I I think we as fans no I I I think honestly a player shrug it off and you have your off day and you move on I mean I I think you won the game you move on you respect the opponent and you know that's it they got a byee I think us as fans you know people bet on the game or take pride in in the you know margin but I don't think anyone I I don't I mean at that point honestly and I don't think it's the worst thing for them to play a competitive game I mean this to me brings more dividends than just blowing them out and forgetting about them and and thinking you're really good I mean long term if the coaches can you I'd rather them win a close game and have their attention the following week of practice then just hey we just blew Bowling Green out because remember like you have Kent State who's really bad and then you don't want to be like napping going to the Illinois game thinking you're like really good and not being in stressful situations up until week four or five so I don't think it's the worst thing in the world and then even look at Notre Dame I think they're in a tough tussle right now right with with Northern Illinois I mean you're gonna see this this isn't like you know this isn't like new to no what's I mean yeah Northern Illinois up 137 over over over them I mean back yeah and Cal's beating alurn you know I mean you know 147 um yeah I just you know goes to show that it happens across college football there's always one week at least out of the year that there's a bunch of crazy games that is this week apparently so yes everybody enjoy it or don't enjoy it whatever whatever team you're working you're looking for the optimistic side of me says that they're going to come in to Kent State they're gonna clean things up I think the my greater point is I think they seem to use this game kind of to figure themselves out a little bit maybe did some things that they wouldn't do against a better team but I think coming into Kent State they're going to know their identity I think they're gonna have a solid performance and I think going forward they're really Gonna Know in terms of like they're really gonna polish things up to a tea where they're going to know okay this is our identity going forward this is what we need to do and that's it um you know it's kind to differ from game to game but they're going to know who they are as a team what works and what doesn't um because I think they almost use this game to do that to like just be like um like what are we you know who are we uh what can we do who do we need to play you know stuff like that so because obviously they have like they have the talent they have the guys that can play I mean they have a freakish amount of Talent on this team uh Abdul Carter is literally I mean he's could be a top five pick he's still M play yeah but like are you picking him top five after the first two games here well I I still think he has a lot of I think he has to see here's the thing if I was concerned about his NFL projection he has so much and and what and I'm curious what you got he would have to put on another 20 30 plus pound 20 pounds at least to make these transition to NFL defensive end which is a lot of weight well he's the size of chop Robinson he's 260 right now is he up to 260 he gained 10 pounds on the off season so he's got the weight up which is he just needs to learn more technique on the line yeah yeah his weight's deceptive because he doesn't look 260 he looks he looks thinner than that I I I was thinking he'd be in the two 250 range well it's like uh Nick Singleton Nick Singleton doesn't look heavy at all but he's just dense he's dense he's like 225 230 KOB King how much does Kobe King weigh he has to weigh like 700 pounds look like he's 250 but he looks like he's 275 like he looks he looks like a bodybuilder he looks like a bodybuilder um but like same with me like I I some people might see me and say I'm like 200 PBS 220 you know and I'm not I'm almost 260 so it's like you know it it it can be deceiving for sure um yeah uh I mean Kobe King I think he looks like like 260 270 but he's only like same with Tony Roos dude he's what like 240 he's 240 he does and he doesn't look that big at all either I mean he's people wear their people wear their weight differently I'm 200 I don't 200 so yeah yeah um so Jared Jared uh overall man like going forward do you think that they find their identity I mean you think this is just kind of a whatever game and this is not who Penn State is well you know to piggy back off of is it Matt yeah yeah yes yeah picking back off what Matt was saying I mean that was that was one of the more impressive ways you could have narrated that because that that's probably how I would probably take this I mean not saying that you can't think like that but it is important for you to know going into the season and being exposed correctly and I feel like for the first time in a long time it actually had happened because like you said if we had gone into all these games doing what we normally do thinking we don't have any problems nothing is wrong like I've seen it many many times before with these you know pre Big 10 games like we always blow out everybody 40 to 10 55 to six I mean it's it's not helpful in that regard I I totally agree with that I think that is a great attitude to or a great perspective to look at because honestly regardless of what we want from a new offensive coordinator the offensive line Andrew Aller sometimes just do not look like they are still getting things going and a team like Bowling Green who have worked with each other for a long long time I mean you look at how many seniors they have and it's just like working with each other for that long that makes a good team and they know how to play with it so I mean it's it's definitely important for us to see these exposures in this way I totally agree with that because again going into Kent State that's like we said that is when I expect these things to be cleaned up just a little better do I expect another 55 to 10 blowout or something like that that would be fantastic but again if that's not who you are right now then of course that's not what it's going to be so I would as a Penn State fan like to see how it's going to go the whole season and this kind of exposure was honestly a big wakeup call because again there's not a single person who should not not have went into that game going there's no way this is GNA be a game and it was very much one this this was definitely uncharacteristic to see that different like sides of the ball just look so inept and they are definitely being exposed correctly and I really hope that James Franklin again the head coach who needs to make sure that this is something we address and do it correctly going forward because again Big 10 teams they're gonna see all this and they're gonna be like well now we know how to expose them or play an entire game and then pounce when need to and honestly with with Ohio State and USC Oregon not to say that this will be a massacre but you're definitely looking at it where you cannot go into these games thinking that you can do anything of this nature where you're experimenting where you're throwing guys out you need to know who's going to be the best quarterback who's going to be the best position to make big plays like is the tight end going to be the most important part of that factor I I know that we have their issues knowing who's going to be big Playmakers getting the ball to them but yeah Aller and Company I feel like that was a big big help for them so it's like now we can go forward with a better game plan or an improved one by the time the Big 10 shows up it's good to gain some resilience in games like that that that'll help the team in the long run so I agree with all that uh this is also reminiscent of the App State game let's be honest couple years back yeah from in of that game that was an overtime game so that was even closer so yeah I mean that we've been in this situation before and typically we uh persevere so I mean let's just have faith in the team and the coordinators and that they're gonna get everything fixed up yeah yeah just going off of the fact that bulling green a good team I think like Matt said they're going to be good going forward Drew iser still had three touchdowns um so we got to give him a lot of credit say he's a player of the game for sure you look good you look confident um even in ad during adversity man he looked good um could have converted better but I mean that's not just him so I'm happy with Drew Aller what he did uh you know my optimistic side said like I said that're we're gonna be okay we just had a bad game we're probably experimenting a little bit ran into a good team uh we'll get it cleaned up but at the same time to have a performance like that this early in the season um it it it's not like a it's not like a good sign I mean we can learn a lot like Matt said but it's not like I don't even know like I mean like this whole thing like the finding identity and like I mean listen the objective is to do two things in a game like this number one is win and number two is not have any major injuries if you achieve both of those then move on I mean because like at the end of the day like we see this all the time teams like Penn State top 10 top 15 teams they'll play down or sluggish to competition they know Ohio State week or USC week their seasons on the line you're going to get a different level of focus and different level of team play I don't really feel after watching college football these years if like there's correlations between like early season non-conference games and how they come out against the the best competition you see teams play up in college football to better competition a lot more [Music] um than you would think when you see how much how many times they play down to competition and that's just human nature right preparation and hey we could just turn it on if we have to we could just run the ball or throw it to toddler Warren like that's just human nature but then like you get keyed into like USC Ohio state Wisconsin like those guys know you need every play right like they they they know they need every play You're so I'm not worried like there's no reason to be worried about this game there like you achieved your two most important things and you move yeah um yeah that's another aspect a good aspect a good point um is yeah like they they knew they weren't play in Ohio State uh so I think that's a factor but you know I'm not on this podcast you know we speak we speak frankly we're not we're not going to sugarcoat it I mean I I there there's no excuses but we ran into a good team I I really give them a lot of credit and at the end of the day Penn State's got to really just polish it up and I think going forward they'll be okay but just it was just strange man you know didn't expect that at all I mean my score prediction was 637 even with the rain uh Brett you were close to that too M was 48 to6 so yeah so far off and you didn't think they would get a touchdown and I didn't I thought they scored on the first drive and I was like oh my God yeah that was it that was it even after the first touchdown I thought oh okay that's fine I like all right we'll stop him the next time nope right down again and then 24 points later it's like okay this is just strange but um to stop them for three in the second half you gotta give it to their defense they a good job because if they would have stopped him like that then we'd be looking at a lell probably I don't know yeah jar good team yeah do you have a jar Jared you know you gave your thoughts but um going forward now like what's their what's the record you think after today after today's performance I mean when you look at Big 10 what we are going to be getting with USC UCLA Oregon and all them I I mean it's not a CO coincidence that they have blown up the playoff uh number to 12 like I just feel like now it's so funny how we're starting to look at all the things that we have to now get right all the time now with these new teams I mean how do many teams do we have 18 teams in the Big 10 now uh is it 18 y there's 18 yeah yeah y 18 teams guys I mean that that's a lot to prepare regardless of what you know your schedule's going to be in the next five seven 10 years whatever it's it's ridiculous to know that now it's it's everybody it's not just Ohio State and michig anymore it's it's pretty much the entire side of the country it's West it's north it's South it's everywhere I mean so we're we're definitely got our work cut out for us because now we've got more recruits that we have to like look for and guys that we have to keep on our system and with this transfer portal I mean I I really wish I would make sense of all that too and get a clearcut understanding that it's like if you make a change it has to be like a two-year minimum that would be where I go go with it because once it's like commitment has to be something it has to be somewhere no sorry there there's some talk that they're GNA make the transfer portal one window instead of two so that will help because then you don't have just going in and out as much but uh fun fact about Michigan is they it's too late to shop for a QB right now so they're kind of burnt their QB situation is bad they're cooked they're cooked right now so yeah that was a brutal game I mean 31 to six I last saw now same thing you know Michigan's cooked but get you got to give Texas a lot of credit they're very good um but but Michigan at home dude like that's I don't care who you are that's tough I don't care if Michigan's inferior or not they just don't have a quarterback right now um they have basically a two quarterback system they've been splitting reps but you know to go off J your point again it's like it's like the college football or college basketball analogy you go into March Madness you play like uh I can't remember a team that was like good in the March Madness that was like you know smaller school but they're like all seniors right and then you go in with like a Kentucky team who's literally like all freshman um because they go in one year take like a dancing class and then go get drafted in the NBA you know what I mean like um that's true too they're they're never there man they're not there long they're like five star guys that they play one or two years and they're out yeah like probably you know like in high school probably didn't go to class they don't lift they're just good at basketball and then they go in to March Madness and then they get upset by this team who's like all four and five year guys have been playing together that long and then like yeah of course they got a shot to upset them because they've been playing together so long same with Bowling Green and they got that and they got the quarterback the transfer um from Indiana I mean he's not a bad quarterback at all they he had a they said he had a 300 yard passing game and that was the first one first 300 yard passing game since at Indiana since Antoine Randell 98 um so that was a long time that they didn't have a 300 yard passer so you know and they had Michael penck there so yeah just overall um we'll see man we'll see going forward I I you really can't know yeah I mean I initially had this team 10 and two I initially had this team 10 and two naturally the Ohio State or some random like Iowa or Oregon was going to take us down I thought that was going to be one but now seeing it I mean play those teams yeah this year okay I'm just saying a team like that like you know Washington or UCLA would just like somehow come out out of nowhere yeah it's just but for them it's it's definitely um again you can't measure this whole season just off two games I I understand that but see it I I would like to think it it kind of does drop a little bit like are we a nine and three team right now I mean it seems like that be the trajectory that looks more honest just from this I mean I'm saying if we're basing it off these two games it was originally 10 and two I drop it to nine and three but again for all we know until we Face our first Big 10 team and we see the whole game is where I will maybe make my decision with that so like right now it's a 9 and3 team but it could go back up to 10 and two depending how they look against their first Big 10 team and Illinois looks decent this year I mean they haven't played many like good teams yet but I mean their quarterback threw five picks against us last year four or five so if he doesn't do that against us this year and he looks good we could be in a fight in Beaver Stadium with Illinois week one week our first Big 10 game so yeah we'll have to see I mean I I agree with that Jared so I'm hoping I'm looking at yeah go for it my record hasn't changed I mean I think this was just a because we're way too talented to because I still think I still think we got a shot against every team on our schedule I think we can win against every team on our schedule including Ohio State um I just thought today was very odd they didn't seem they didn't seem like themselves they didn't seem like the Penn State that they that should that they should could be and I just think it was like sort of a fluke it was just some weird experiments going on they didn't really know what to do they were just trying things out that's why I truly think that nothing's really gonna change but it it that this this game really really I mean um I don't want to say it made me angry I was just really frustrated by what they were doing what's up what were you gonna say Brett I was pretty m in the first half I was pretty upset and thank thank God Jared you didn't have to watch it because boy you would have uh dropped a few years you know you would have lost a couple years I feel like you're probably healthier being at work Jared than you were watching I'm 33 and I feel like I'm third or 45 now so it's a rough go but yeah amen but uh but I like you guys were saying Mark I think it was like I I personally think it was a flute defensive performance I'm hoping that's true because our defense did not look like that last week so I really yeah the pass coverage was not good today stupid stuff stupid stuff said pass coverage was trash it it looked like some stupid stuff out there so I agree it did um I don't know jayen Kimber has not looked great he didn't look good today I don't he he looked like he wasn't really fighting for it AJ Harrison the other hand AJ Harris I don't think people are even trying to pass on him I don't think people have completed a catch against AJ Harris maybe one yeah he's he looks really good so he looks fantastic so uh once KJ gets back in the loop I think we'll be fun uh I really think it was just an Indiana App State type of game we just it wasn't our day you know I'm hoping we get some results saying half the team had a flu a couple days ago and they're getting over it but if that doesn't happen I'll be fine I'll live um I'm still 45 now but uh yeah I uh I still I'm still thinking 10 and two we could go 11 and one we could be any team on the schedule we just have to we have to show that we have what it takes and I think this early uh resilient comeback win technically we weren't leading until the third quarter man so I mean it's it's a comeback win so yeah and I'm just gonna end with this like um if you guys you know want to keep talking we can but pretty much my final point is people I haven't seen the postgame stuff haven't seen I really haven't watched Instagram but people are going to blame Franklin they're going to say Franklin sucks he needs to be fired like he can't coach like they almost lost Bing green I mean at the end of the day man like he he can't play the game so like um he's not playing the game you know like these guys have to like execute like it's it's yeah I think really what it came down to was just poor planning for the defense really what it came down to and they just weren't executing they weren't not calling what they should have been I mean it was just a bad it was a goose egg by the defense that's it and I really don't know what else to say man there's really nothing else we could say because you know what at the end of the day the offense yeah they could have scored more points they should have um they left some points on the board but it also in addition to that they feed off of the defense like if the defense is like doing what they were doing that's gonna kill some confidence no matter what the morale always been yeah yeah like the morale is going to be horrendous and it was so uh yeah we we can only see going forward but um I'm still planning to do at least one episode this week uh during the biwe we can cover kind of like the first two games uh Saturday might do an episode two we'll see but uh you know we'll be back at it uh the week of Kent State which is uh my birthday weekend so um it's going to be I hope a good game against them Kent State is definitely not not Bowling Green that's for sure so yeah foren Bowling Green could go like 11 and one would be the only loss I mean we have no clue I mean they look like a team that can do that we've seen this in the past though I have seen this many times where I forget who it was a couple years ago we had a really tough game against that team and then I remember looking back on them and seeing they did not lose a single game after us could have been Ohio or could have been Ohio was pretty good that one year yeah yeah I think that was the year but it's like that's the thing this is the ultimate learning game I think when you say learn from your mistakes this is what we're talking about just see everything you didn't do do not do it again when it matters I mean if if you have to make sure it's like when it's the Kent States and of the world so I mean or whatever pen State team Big 10 team is not doing great I mean that I feel like just see see what you did and move on if if this happens against Kent State then I'm gonna have to pick up some mapine and take blood pressure pills so I'm hoping it doesn't happen def it's definitely not going to be good if they do this against K State that's going to look really really bad I mean then we really know that we're in trouble um but at the end of the day it just doesn't make sense if they were to do that so I I just I don't think that's gonna happen no I don't think so either yeah yeah I just I I think we'll be okay but uh yeah and just let's pray that that doesn't happen again uh they're gonna clean some stuff up yeah yeah but thanks thank you guys for coming on um thanks for having me we thank you we can talk a little more once I end the stream if you want but uh yeah thanks for coming on Penn State wins 3427 and we will see you guys next week take care everyone have a safe Saturday andjoy the festivities responsibly 10 state [Music]