and and you're and it's really cool you're talking about these battles of course and the guy wanted to pick your brain about about is Bullard you know you reported on him um these o these recent practices he's kind of I don't know if he's Towing the line anymore about like first and second as far as the possibility of him being on that starting um oh no he has jumped over the line Jess he jumped over it he is the starter right now why is he that dude what makes him that dude you know it's so funny Matt laflor a couple weeks was asked about him and you know is he the starter is he just like penil in as the starter and he was like oh you know they'll still be rotating Jess when I tell you every single practice when they have rolled out the ones with the team he has been the starting safety so Mal laflor can say there's a rotation he's covering himself and I appreciate ain't no rotation right this is Javon job the question I think now is where is he gonna play most snaps because we saw something really interesting against Denver and this is something that um I had been pushing on locked on Packers even even a bit to the sugrin of one of the players involved um the I think the best 11 for this Packers team includes both of their rookie safeties Javon Bullard who played the nickel corner he was a slot player at Georgia when he was the MVP of their their college football playoff run knocked Marvin Harrison JR out of that game and they won the national title um and then they moved him to safety Kirby Smart moved him to safety he was he was incredible in the nickel and they said we need you in this other spot can you do it he said yes and so we saw him against Denver last week in just like normal defensive packages they were playing with three safeties and Javon Bullard was in the slot I think that's their best group and I think they could be a team that just says Xavier mckin who's a new free agent acquisition from the New York Giants he can play in the slot get out there Javon Bullard he can play on the slot get out there so that they can be so multiple with the way that they attack you never know who's going to be anywhere and it's so hard now Jess to play defense because there like how many teams have a coach that we can like an offensive Guru like most of the league does and it it seems like it's expanding like the Kyle Shanahan tree the Shanahan McVey tree might be the most successful coaching tree since like the Mike hren Bill Walsh Tree and even they had way more misses than like all these coaches are good Shawn McVey um Mike McDaniel Matt leflour Kevin stefansky of course K Shanahan like this that's I just named a quarter of the League's coaches and and they're all good and um Taylor in Cincinnati they went to a Super Bowl so I mean this is it's pretty remarkable you have to be so diverse in the way that you attack those teams we saw Baltimore last year beat the breaks off the 49ers because they confused them and you have to be able to confuse offenses and that means moving pieces around I think Javon Bullard and Xavier mckin are the perfect modern safeties for that kind of defense well and it's interesting you're talking because I know versatility is something for Bullard that is very prominent with him but versatility is always interesting because it could either help or hurt somebody so you don't want to be a jack of all trades and a master of none exactly so it's kind of interesting with that when I hear versatility you get excited you want to have a utility person but when it comes to executing it do you want somebody to be good at multiple things or great at one yeah and I think the hope for the Packers is that he can be great at multiple things I mean that's that's the perfect and is that a fair assessment what he can do that well it's what he can do yes I think he's I think he's better in the slot I think he's better closer to the line of scrimmage but can he be a good deep half deep middle safety yeah I think he can the the the thing is like Optimal is you can't let great be the enemy of the good so if he's the best at nickel and you only play him in nickel are you limiting what your defense can do because sometimes that can happen and I think it's also the case that if he's your best safety he's got to be back there even if his best position is Nicholls so find a way to to thread that needle of doing both and luckily they drafted a safety in Evan Williams who a lot of people thought based on the consensus that was an overdraft and Jim naggie the Senior Bowl director told me on lock on Packers he said there were other teams that were gonna take Evan Williams in the fourth if the Packers didn't he was a guy in that range that was going to get picked in that range teams loved him and he has just shown up right away you mentioned the joint practices had another I think he's got five interceptions in Camp he's just just been a playmaker and you you see it you see it out there he's a really sure tackler he's just an instinctive football player his feel I mean I think spatial awareness is the most important trait you can have as a back seven player especially if you're a spine Defender if you're a linebacker if you're a safety you have to have an understanding of space and he just has he has he understands route Concepts he understands okay if this receiver is coming in there's a guy going out and I need to account for that guy because that's just how Concepts work and he thinks the game at a really high level which has allowed him to come in right away and contribute