And you both say that this is the stage of the campaign where essentially it's about who can mobilize their voters to actually show up, who can encourage their folks to get out who is about a ground game. Essentially. You don't know if these debates really move the needle as far as changing votes or things of that nature, but they are gamesmanship. Right. And so to that end, what grade would you give each candidate? Oh, tonight, I think she did really well. And yeah, I think Donald Trump, I give him ac, he was fighting for his life tonight. I agree. Uh, well, I agree on the Trump grade. See, I think he's, he's capable of being much better than he was tonight. And I think she exceeded expectations and anytime you do that, that's an a, a minimum a but you both agree that Donald Trump seemed as if he was on the defensive. Oh, most definitely. And why do you think that is, is it a format perhaps a form? I think, I think, I think there was some, I think there was some moments where he was getting, where she, he was getting fact checked and she wasn't, I, I saw that there was some, there were some moments where he had to defend things that he, that were clearly fact checked a long time ago, like the Charlottesville thing, you know, that's something that has been debunked several times over by journalists. And so he's having to defend himself again. I probably, for me, if I was advising him, I wouldn't even get into these article, I would quickly answer. Move on. So that's, that's my take on that. We also heard tonight, I will just say some discussions around people's pets being eaten and things of that nature. We do have a verified investigation that our team has done that we'll have later in the show on that particular topic as well. Final thoughts because I'm understanding that we have just a few seconds left. What would you all say about tonight and the impact it's had on this race for the White House, I think for Kamala Harris. Um, tonight was a very, very big night. She has come into this race in the last seven weeks and rejuvenated the Democratic Party across the country and created a lot of excitement and enthusiasm. And there was a really big risk tonight that if she stumbled, that could all start to fall apart. Instead, she did the exact opposite and she crushed it and the enthusiasm is only gonna build from here. And that spells trouble for Donald Trump. He had to flip on a dime. Your thoughts. I, my final thoughts are, I want the American people to get involved and do everything they can to get informed about both candidates. I want them to not sit this one out because they're exhausted or frustrated or depressed and, and certain, and, and with what's happening in our country and I think it's just so important that at the end of the day, regardless of what happens that they know that they're the ones that put people in power. And so they should be the ones that, um, that, that they should be really looking at candidates that are considering them at the end of the day.